http://www.blogsdna.com/9796/songbird-says-bye-to-linux.htm


SongBird "was" a free and open source audio player cum web browser for 
Linux. It still is open source, but has announced that it is discontinuing 
support for Linux platform.

"After careful consideration, we've come to the painful conclusion that we 
should discontinue support for the Linux version of Songbird. Some of you 
may wonder how a company with deep roots in Open Source could drop Linux and 
we want you to know it isn't without heartache.? We have a small engineering 
team here at Songbird, and, more than ever, must stay very focused on a 
narrow set of priorities. Trying to deliver a raft of new features around 
all media types, and across a growing list of devices, we had to make some 
tough choices."

The good news is that, according to the stats posted on the blog SongBird 
has 78.2% of active Windows users who lead in bug reporting too. That 
explains a lot about their movement to "other platforms".

On Sun, 2 May 2010 10:55:53 -0400, One Shot, One Kill wrote:

> http://www.blogsdna.com/9796/songbird-says-bye-to-linux.htm
> 
> 
> SongBird "was" a free and open source audio player cum web browser for 
> Linux. It still is open source, but has announced that it is discontinuing 
> support for Linux platform.
> 
> "After careful consideration, we've come to the painful conclusion that we 
> should discontinue support for the Linux version of Songbird. Some of you 
> may wonder how a company with deep roots in Open Source could drop Linux and 
> we want you to know it isn't without heartache.? We have a small engineering 
> team here at Songbird, and, more than ever, must stay very focused on a 
> narrow set of priorities. Trying to deliver a raft of new features around 
> all media types, and across a growing list of devices, we had to make some 
> tough choices."
> 
> The good news is that, according to the stats posted on the blog SongBird 
> has 78.2% of active Windows users who lead in bug reporting too. That 
> explains a lot about their movement to "other platforms".

Translation:  We don't have the time nor the resources to make our
product work with the 500+ different versions of Linux out there.

It's the same reason why commercial companies are hesitant to
support Linux.

Fragmentation is killing Linux.

"One Shot, One Kill" <fred@gmail.com> writes:

> http://www.blogsdna.com/9796/songbird-says-bye-to-linux.htm
>
> SongBird "was" a free and open source audio player cum web browser for 
> Linux. It still is open source, but has announced that it is discontinuing 
> support for Linux platform.
>
> "After careful consideration, we've come to the painful conclusion that we 
> should discontinue support for the Linux version of Songbird. Some of you 
> may wonder how a company with deep roots in Open Source could drop Linux and 
> we want you to know it isn't without heartache.? We have a small engineering 
> team here at Songbird, and, more than ever, must stay very focused on a 
> narrow set of priorities. Trying to deliver a raft of new features around 
> all media types, and across a growing list of devices, we had to make some 
> tough choices."
>
> The good news is that, according to the stats posted on the blog SongBird 
> has 78.2% of active Windows users who lead in bug reporting too. That 
> explains a lot about their movement to "other platforms".

Huh? They need Ian "legend in his own lunchtime" Hilliard. They could
develop it and THEN decide who to target with NO extra work.


BTW, it wasn't open source was it? I know it was a steaming pile of
buggy shite that made Amarok look good last time I tried it.

Hadron wrote:

> BTW, it wasn't open source was it? I know it was a steaming pile of
> buggy shite that made Amarok look good last time I tried it.

I tried it, didn't like it.

-- 
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Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC

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Tattoo Vampire pulled this Usenet boner:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> BTW, it wasn't open source was it? I know it was a steaming pile of
>> buggy shite that made Amarok look good last time I tried it.
>
> I tried it, didn't like it.

Which "steaming pile of buggy shite"?  Songbird, or "Hadron"?

-- 
You have the capacity to learn from mistakes.  You'll learn a lot today.

On May 2, 10:55=A0am, "One Shot, One Kill" <f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.blogsdna.com/9796/songbird-says-bye-to-linux.htm
>
> SongBird "was" a free and open source audio player cum web browser for
> Linux. It still is open source, but has announced that it is discontinuin=
g
> support for Linux platform.
>
> "After careful consideration, we've come to the painful conclusion that w=
e
> should discontinue support for the Linux version of Songbird. Some of you
> may wonder how a company with deep roots in Open Source could drop Linux =
and
> we want you to know it isn't without heartache.? We have a small engineer=
ing
> team here at Songbird, and, more than ever, must stay very focused on a
> narrow set of priorities. Trying to deliver a raft of new features around
> all media types, and across a growing list of devices, we had to make som=
e
> tough choices."

That could spell the death of songbird.

Many of those in the OSS community who were supporting songbird may
opt for other projects like MediaPlayer, Amarok, Audacious, Dragon
Player, RealPlayer, gtkpod, JuK, Kaffeine, KPlayer, Miro, Movie
Player, Qmmp, and there is always the possibility that the Linux
community will spin-off their own variant of SongBird.

The main advantage of songbird was that they supported both Linux and
Windows, making it a true multiplatform player.  The other option for
true multi-platform players would be something java based such as
jPodder.

Perhaps VLC would create an opening.

References:

http://lindesk.com/2007/05/top-5-video-players-in-linux/

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
http://www.jpodder.com/jpodder/download.htm

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:7

http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialVideo.html

http://audacious-media-player.org/
http://www.dragonplayer.net/

http://www.real.com/realplayer/linux
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8866672411.html
http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/running-reals-rhapsody-in-linux/

http://www.gtkpod.org/about.html

http://kaffeine.kde.org/

http://www.getmiro.com/

In article <hrk3ps$eb6$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
 "One Shot, One Kill" <fred@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.blogsdna.com/9796/songbird-says-bye-to-linux.htm
> 
> 
> SongBird "was" a free and open source audio player cum web browser for 
> Linux. It still is open source, but has announced that it is discontinuing 
> support for Linux platform.

That's a bit misleading. (More like a full byte misleading...). They are 
keeping a Linux version available. Their Linux engineers will continue 
working on it. They will keep making nightly builds, and make sure it 
passes the unit tests.

All this seems to really mean is that the Linux version is not 
officially "supported", and that it will get new features later than the 
Windows version does.

-- 
--Tim Smith

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Which "steaming pile of buggy shite"?  Songbird, or "Hadron"?

LOL

-- 
Regards,
[tv]
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC

....I'm a master of Kung Fu, Tofu, Snafu...and plain foo.

Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> writes:

> Tattoo Vampire pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, it wasn't open source was it? I know it was a steaming pile of
>>> buggy shite that made Amarok look good last time I tried it.
>>
>> I tried it, didn't like it.
>
> Which "steaming pile of buggy shite"?  Songbird, or "Hadron"?

Poor Creepy Chris Ahlstrom trying that little bit too hard to ingratiate
himself with the other "advocates" once more. Embarrassing for all
concerned.

On 05/02/2010 01:14 PM, Rex Ballard wrote:
> On May 2, 10:55 am, "One Shot, One Kill" <f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.blogsdna.com/9796/songbird-says-bye-to-linux.htm
>> 
>> SongBird "was" a free and open source audio player cum web browser 
>> for Linux. It still is open source, but has announced that it is 
>> discontinuing support for Linux platform.
>> 
>> "After careful consideration, we've come to the painful conclusion 
>> that we should discontinue support for the Linux version of 
>> Songbird. Some of you may wonder how a company with deep roots in 
>> Open Source could drop Linux and we want you to know it isn't 
>> without heartache.? We have a small engineering team here at 
>> Songbird, and, more than ever, must stay very focused on a narrow 
>> set of priorities. Trying to deliver a raft of new features around 
>> all media types, and across a growing list of devices, we had to 
>> make some tough choices."
> 
> That could spell the death of songbird.
> 
> Many of those in the OSS community who were supporting songbird may 
> opt for other projects like MediaPlayer, Amarok, Audacious, Dragon 
> Player, RealPlayer, gtkpod, JuK, Kaffeine, KPlayer, Miro, Movie 
> Player, Qmmp, and there is always the possibility that the Linux 
> community will spin-off their own variant of SongBird.
> 
> The main advantage of songbird was that they supported both Linux and
> Windows, making it a true multiplatform player.  The other option for
> true multi-platform players would be something java based such as 
> jPodder.
> 
> Perhaps VLC would create an opening.
> 
> References:
> 
> http://lindesk.com/2007/05/top-5-video-players-in-linux/
> 
> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ 
> http://www.jpodder.com/jpodder/download.htm
> 
> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html 
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:7
> 
> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialVideo.html
> 
> http://audacious-media-player.org/ http://www.dragonplayer.net/
> 
> http://www.real.com/realplayer/linux 
> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8866672411.html 
> http://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/running-reals-rhapsody-in-linux/
> 
> http://www.gtkpod.org/about.html
> 
> http://kaffeine.kde.org/
> 
> http://www.getmiro.com/

An update states the following:

[quote]
UPDATED 4/5/2010 @ 2:22 pm PST

To those who voiced their disappointment and retained a civil tone, we
empathize with you. We appreciate all of the passion from the community,
we again want to re-iterate that this was a very tough decision for us.
We want to clarify a couple of points:

    * Songbird remains open source. The code is mirrored from our working
tree and available at http://publicsvn.songbirdnest.com/

    * We are maintaining our Linux build infrastructure and will ensure
that it continues to compile and run the unit-test suite.
http://buildbot.songbirdnest.com/

    * Nightly Linux builds will remain available at
http://developer.songbirdnest.com/builds/trunk/latest/

    * We have in house developers that use Linux every day and they will
keep developing Songbird on Linux.

We also want to share some facts that may bring additional perspective
about our decision.

                         Windows  Mac Intel  Linux 32  Linux 64  Others
Songbird Active Users (1)  78.2%    10.8%      7.7%      3.2%     0.1%

                            Windows     Mac     Linux      Others
Bug Reporters (2)             77%      14%       9%          -
Addons Contributors (3)       74%      17%       9%          -
Translation Contributors (4)  72%       3%      25%          -
Visits to getsongbird.com (5) 73%      11%      15%          1%
OS usage share (6)            91.3%   5.9%       1%          1.8%
[/quote]

http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2010/04/02/songbird-singing-a-new-tune/

It appears to still be receiving Linux support after all.

Interestingly enough when I opened that page, a Microsoft flash ad came
up advertising Microsoft Cloud computing.

My first impression was that somehow Microsoft must be involved.

The website has 10.9% Linux active users, a touch more than Mac.  (What
isn't stated is dividing Windows between 32 and 64 bit users.)  Next to
Windows, Linux has the second most number of visitors to their site.  Yet
the so called market share statistics states that Linux only has 1%
market share.

Something just doesn't add up.

-- 
HPT

On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of High Plains Thumper:
>
> We also want to share some facts that may bring additional perspective
> about our decision.
>
>                          Windows  Mac Intel  Linux 32  Linux 64  Others
> Songbird Active Users (1)  78.2%    10.8%      7.7%      3.2%     0.1%
>
>                             Windows     Mac     Linux      Others
> Bug Reporters (2)             77%      14%       9%          -
> Addons Contributors (3)       74%      17%       9%          -
> Translation Contributors (4)  72%       3%      25%          -
> Visits to getsongbird.com (5) 73%      11%      15%          1%
> OS usage share (6)            91.3%   5.9%       1%          1.8%
> [/quote]
>
> http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2010/04/02/songbird-singing-a-new-tune/
>
> It appears to still be receiving Linux support after all.
>
> Interestingly enough when I opened that page, a Microsoft flash ad came
> up advertising Microsoft Cloud computing.
>
> My first impression was that somehow Microsoft must be involved.

Nah, the ads are picked based on the page contents.

> The website has 10.9% Linux active users, a touch more than Mac.  (What
> isn't stated is dividing Windows between 32 and 64 bit users.)  Next to
> Windows, Linux has the second most number of visitors to their site.  Yet
> the so called market share statistics states that Linux only has 1%
> market share.
>
> Something just doesn't add up.

Those numbers make perfect sense and if they show anything, it's
that Linux users give back way more than Windows users. And that's
hardly a surprise.

-- 
BOFH excuse #344:

Network failure -  call NBC

On Sun, 02 May 2010 15:00:40 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:

> In article <hrk3ps$eb6$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
>  "One Shot, One Kill" <fred@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> http://www.blogsdna.com/9796/songbird-says-bye-to-linux.htm
>> 
>> 
>> SongBird "was" a free and open source audio player cum web browser for
>> Linux. It still is open source, but has announced that it is
>> discontinuing support for Linux platform.
> 
> That's a bit misleading. (More like a full byte misleading...). They are
> keeping a Linux version available. Their Linux engineers will continue
> working on it. They will keep making nightly builds, and make sure it
> passes the unit tests.
> 
> All this seems to really mean is that the Linux version is not
> officially "supported", and that it will get new features later than the
> Windows version does.

<http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/936-lyrebird-renames-to-nightingale-songbird-for-linux-lives-on>

Lyrebird renames to NIGHTINGALE; SONGBIRD for linux lives on

Written by Zinovsky | 06 April 2010

Songbird for Linux, whilst officially no-longer supported, will continue
to live on thanks to a community driven effort.

The project, which was originally titled Lyrebird, finally has a
definitive new name: Nightingale.

Very apt.

The team is made up of many longtime Songbird contributers so hopefully
with some dedication to the Linux platform amongst them they can come up
with a something sweet.

You can check out their official site over @ getnightingale.org

On Mon, 03 May 2010 08:02:08 -0500, hotfoot wrote:


> <http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/936-lyrebird-renames-to-nightingale-songbird-for-linux-lives-on>
> 
> Lyrebird renames to NIGHTINGALE; SONGBIRD for linux lives on
> 
> Written by Zinovsky | 06 April 2010
> 
> Songbird for Linux, whilst officially no-longer supported, will continue
> to live on thanks to a community driven effort.

Preciously the reason why I would bet my business on Linux.
Here today and gone tomorrow.

On 5/3/2010 2:43 AM, TomB wrote:
> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of High Plains Thumper:
>>
>> We also want to share some facts that may bring additional perspective
>> about our decision.
>>
>>                           Windows  Mac Intel  Linux 32  Linux 64  Others
>> Songbird Active Users (1)  78.2%    10.8%      7.7%      3.2%     0.1%
>>
>>                              Windows     Mac     Linux      Others
>> Bug Reporters (2)             77%      14%       9%          -
>> Addons Contributors (3)       74%      17%       9%          -
>> Translation Contributors (4)  72%       3%      25%          -
>> Visits to getsongbird.com (5) 73%      11%      15%          1%
>> OS usage share (6)            91.3%   5.9%       1%          1.8%
>> [/quote]
>>
>> http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2010/04/02/songbird-singing-a-new-tune/
>>
>> It appears to still be receiving Linux support after all.
>>
>> Interestingly enough when I opened that page, a Microsoft flash ad came
>> up advertising Microsoft Cloud computing.
>>
>> My first impression was that somehow Microsoft must be involved.
>
> Nah, the ads are picked based on the page contents.
>
>> The website has 10.9% Linux active users, a touch more than Mac.  (What
>> isn't stated is dividing Windows between 32 and 64 bit users.)  Next to
>> Windows, Linux has the second most number of visitors to their site.  Yet
>> the so called market share statistics states that Linux only has 1%
>> market share.
>>
>> Something just doesn't add up.
>
> Those numbers make perfect sense and if they show anything, it's
> that Linux users give back way more than Windows users.

The numbers don't show that - at all.


 > And that's hardly a surprise.

It's somewhat a surprise you would lie like this.

On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> On 5/3/2010 2:43 AM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of High Plains Thumper:
>>>
>>> We also want to share some facts that may bring additional perspective
>>> about our decision.
>>>
>>>                           Windows  Mac Intel  Linux 32  Linux 64  Others
>>> Songbird Active Users (1)  78.2%    10.8%      7.7%      3.2%     0.1%
>>>
>>>                              Windows     Mac     Linux      Others
>>> Bug Reporters (2)             77%      14%       9%          -
>>> Addons Contributors (3)       74%      17%       9%          -
>>> Translation Contributors (4)  72%       3%      25%          -
>>> Visits to getsongbird.com (5) 73%      11%      15%          1%
>>> OS usage share (6)            91.3%   5.9%       1%          1.8%
>>> [/quote]
>>>
>>> http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2010/04/02/songbird-singing-a-new-tune/
>>>
>>> It appears to still be receiving Linux support after all.
>>>
>>> Interestingly enough when I opened that page, a Microsoft flash ad
>>> came up advertising Microsoft Cloud computing.
>>>
>>> My first impression was that somehow Microsoft must be involved.
>>
>> Nah, the ads are picked based on the page contents.
>>
>>> The website has 10.9% Linux active users, a touch more than Mac.
>>> (What isn't stated is dividing Windows between 32 and 64 bit
>>> users.)  Next to Windows, Linux has the second most number of
>>> visitors to their site.  Yet the so called market share statistics
>>> states that Linux only has 1% market share.
>>>
>>> Something just doesn't add up.
>>
>> Those numbers make perfect sense and if they show anything, it's
>> that Linux users give back way more than Windows users.
>
> The numbers don't show that - at all.

Sure they do.

Let's say that there 10000 people using the program. According to the
stats 9130 are on Windows and 100 are on GNU/Linux.

Now suppose that out of those 10000 users, 1000 are bug reporters. Of
those 1000, 770 are on Windows and 90 are on GNU/Linux. This is what
the stats say, right?

This leads to the conclusion that on GNU/Linux 90% of the users are
bug reporters, while on Windows only 8.4% of the users are bug
reporters.

Hence, Linux users give back way more than Windows users. If they drop
Linux support, they'll only lose 1% of their users, but 9% of their
bug reporters.

> > And that's hardly a surprise.
>
> It's somewhat a surprise you would lie like this.

It's not at all a suprise that you think that stating the obvious
equals lying...

-- 
BOFH excuse #298:

Not enough interrupts

On 5/3/2010 1:36 PM, TomB wrote:
> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> On 5/3/2010 2:43 AM, TomB wrote:
>>> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of High Plains Thumper:
>>>>
>>>> We also want to share some facts that may bring additional perspective
>>>> about our decision.
>>>>
>>>>                            Windows  Mac Intel  Linux 32  Linux 64  Others
>>>> Songbird Active Users (1)  78.2%    10.8%      7.7%      3.2%     0.1%
>>>>
>>>>                               Windows     Mac     Linux      Others
>>>> Bug Reporters (2)             77%      14%       9%          -
>>>> Addons Contributors (3)       74%      17%       9%          -
>>>> Translation Contributors (4)  72%       3%      25%          -
>>>> Visits to getsongbird.com (5) 73%      11%      15%          1%
>>>> OS usage share (6)            91.3%   5.9%       1%          1.8%
>>>> [/quote]
>>>>
>>>> http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2010/04/02/songbird-singing-a-new-tune/
>>>>
>>>> It appears to still be receiving Linux support after all.
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly enough when I opened that page, a Microsoft flash ad
>>>> came up advertising Microsoft Cloud computing.
>>>>
>>>> My first impression was that somehow Microsoft must be involved.
>>>
>>> Nah, the ads are picked based on the page contents.
>>>
>>>> The website has 10.9% Linux active users, a touch more than Mac.
>>>> (What isn't stated is dividing Windows between 32 and 64 bit
>>>> users.)  Next to Windows, Linux has the second most number of
>>>> visitors to their site.  Yet the so called market share statistics
>>>> states that Linux only has 1% market share.
>>>>
>>>> Something just doesn't add up.
>>>
>>> Those numbers make perfect sense and if they show anything, it's
>>> that Linux users give back way more than Windows users.
>>
>> The numbers don't show that - at all.
>
> Sure they do.
>
> Let's say that there 10000 people using the program. According to the
> stats 9130 are on Windows and 100 are on GNU/Linux.

You better try again, bozo.  According to the stats:

78.2% of Songbird users run it on Windows.
10.9% of Songbird users run it on Linux.

If anything, it's the Mac users who give more back to Songbird.





> Now suppose that out of those 10000 users, 1000 are bug reporters. Of
> those 1000, 770 are on Windows and 90 are on GNU/Linux. This is what
> the stats say, right?
>
> This leads to the conclusion that on GNU/Linux 90% of the users are
> bug reporters, while on Windows only 8.4% of the users are bug
> reporters.
>
> Hence, Linux users give back way more than Windows users. If they drop
> Linux support, they'll only lose 1% of their users, but 9% of their
> bug reporters.
>
>>> And that's hardly a surprise.
>>
>> It's somewhat a surprise you would lie like this.
>
> It's not at all a suprise that you think that stating the obvious
> equals lying...
>

On Mon, 03 May 2010 10:25:01 -0400, Moshe wrote:

> On Mon, 03 May 2010 08:02:08 -0500, hotfoot wrote:
> 
> 
>> <http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/936-lyrebird-renames-to-nightingale-
songbird-for-linux-lives-on>
>> 
>> Lyrebird renames to NIGHTINGALE; SONGBIRD for linux lives on
>> 
>> Written by Zinovsky | 06 April 2010
>> 
>> Songbird for Linux, whilst officially no-longer supported, will
>> continue to live on thanks to a community driven effort.
> 
> Preciously the reason why I would bet my business on Linux. Here today
> and gone tomorrow.

Preciously? You care that much?

Flatfish supports Linux in business!!!! News at 11.

-- 
Rick

On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> On 5/3/2010 1:36 PM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>> On 5/3/2010 2:43 AM, TomB wrote:
>>>> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of High Plains Thumper:
>>>>>
>>>>> We also want to share some facts that may bring additional perspective
>>>>> about our decision.
>>>>>
>>>>>                            Windows  Mac Intel  Linux 32  Linux 64  Others
>>>>> Songbird Active Users (1)  78.2%    10.8%      7.7%      3.2%     0.1%
>>>>>
>>>>>                               Windows     Mac     Linux      Others
>>>>> Bug Reporters (2)             77%      14%       9%          -
>>>>> Addons Contributors (3)       74%      17%       9%          -
>>>>> Translation Contributors (4)  72%       3%      25%          -
>>>>> Visits to getsongbird.com (5) 73%      11%      15%          1%
>>>>> OS usage share (6)            91.3%   5.9%       1%          1.8%
>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2010/04/02/songbird-singing-a-new-tune/
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears to still be receiving Linux support after all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interestingly enough when I opened that page, a Microsoft flash
>>>>> ad came up advertising Microsoft Cloud computing.
>>>>>
>>>>> My first impression was that somehow Microsoft must be involved.
>>>>
>>>> Nah, the ads are picked based on the page contents.
>>>>
>>>>> The website has 10.9% Linux active users, a touch more than Mac.
>>>>> (What isn't stated is dividing Windows between 32 and 64 bit
>>>>> users.)  Next to Windows, Linux has the second most number of
>>>>> visitors to their site.  Yet the so called market share
>>>>> statistics states that Linux only has 1% market share.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something just doesn't add up.
>>>>
>>>> Those numbers make perfect sense and if they show anything, it's
>>>> that Linux users give back way more than Windows users.
>>>
>>> The numbers don't show that - at all.
>>
>> Sure they do.
>>
>> Let's say that there 10000 people using the program. According to
>> the stats 9130 are on Windows and 100 are on GNU/Linux.
>
> You better try again, bozo.  According to the stats:
>
> 78.2% of Songbird users run it on Windows.  10.9% of Songbird users
> run it on Linux.
>
> If anything, it's the Mac users who give more back to Songbird.

Right, the last row is general OS usage share. Misinterpreted that. My
mistake. Here's the calculation with the correct numbers:

>> Let's say that there 10000 people using the program. According to
>> the stats 7820 are on Windows and 1090 are on GNU/Linux.
>>
>> Now suppose that out of those 10000 users, 1000 are bug reporters.
>> Of those 1000, 770 are on Windows and 90 are on GNU/Linux. This is
>> what the stats say, right?
>>
>> This leads to the conclusion that on GNU/Linux 8.3% of the users
>> are bug reporters, while on Windows only 8.4% of the users are bug
>> reporters.
>>
>> Hence, ...

Ah, fuck. Damn stats. Can't trust 'em!

-- 
BOFH excuse #313:

your process is not ISO 9000 compliant

On 5/3/2010 5:44 PM, TomB wrote:
> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:

> Right, the last row is general OS usage share. Misinterpreted that. My
> mistake. Here's the calculation with the correct numbers:

Statistically it should be 50% one way and 50% the other, but somehow 
the "mistakes" and "misinterpretations" of the Linux "advocate" always 
go against Windows.

My lie-dar is always accurate.



>>> Let's say that there 10000 people using the program. According to
>>> the stats 7820 are on Windows and 1090 are on GNU/Linux.
>>>
>>> Now suppose that out of those 10000 users, 1000 are bug reporters.
>>> Of those 1000, 770 are on Windows and 90 are on GNU/Linux. This is
>>> what the stats say, right?
>>> This leads to the conclusion that on GNU/Linux 8.3% of the users
>>> are bug reporters, while on Windows only 8.4% of the users are bug
>>> reporters.
>>>
>>> Hence, ...
>
> Ah, fuck. Damn stats. Can't trust 'em!


When they supported your "misinterpretation" they "made perfect sense".

Face facts, fella; you're a Linux idiot.  Less biased than most of the 
moronic "advocates", but still a drooler.

On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> On 5/3/2010 5:44 PM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
>> Right, the last row is general OS usage share. Misinterpreted that. My
>> mistake. Here's the calculation with the correct numbers:
>
> Statistically it should be 50% one way and 50% the other, but somehow 
> the "mistakes" and "misinterpretations" of the Linux "advocate" always 
> go against Windows.
>
> My lie-dar is always accurate.

You still insist that I was lying?

Ah well, whatever. Nevermind.

>>>> Let's say that there 10000 people using the program. According to
>>>> the stats 7820 are on Windows and 1090 are on GNU/Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Now suppose that out of those 10000 users, 1000 are bug reporters.
>>>> Of those 1000, 770 are on Windows and 90 are on GNU/Linux. This is
>>>> what the stats say, right?
>>>> This leads to the conclusion that on GNU/Linux 8.3% of the users
>>>> are bug reporters, while on Windows only 8.4% of the users are bug
>>>> reporters.
>>>>
>>>> Hence, ...
>>
>> Ah, fuck. Damn stats. Can't trust 'em!
>
>
> When they supported your "misinterpretation" they "made perfect sense".

Absolutely!

> Face facts, fella; you're a Linux idiot.  Less biased than most of the 
> moronic "advocates", but still a drooler.

You got it!

Nah, it was a stupid mistake to make, and I humbly accept the defeat.

What does worry me now is that the songbird developers are dropping
support for GNU/Linux because "only" 11 % of their users are on that
platform. When I thought it was only 1% I could accept that, kind of,
but at 11%? I find that worrying, and I certainly hope this will not
turn into a trend...

-- 
BOFH excuse #392:

It's union rules. There's nothing we can do about it. Sorry.

On 5/3/2010 7:50 PM, TomB wrote:
> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> On 5/3/2010 5:44 PM, TomB wrote:
>>> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>
>>> Right, the last row is general OS usage share. Misinterpreted that. My
>>> mistake. Here's the calculation with the correct numbers:
>>
>> Statistically it should be 50% one way and 50% the other, but somehow
>> the "mistakes" and "misinterpretations" of the Linux "advocate" always
>> go against Windows.
>>
>> My lie-dar is always accurate.
>
> You still insist that I was lying?


Much like Rex "Kingmaker" Ballard, you continue to make "mistakes" that 
always insult Windows.  What am I to think?




> Ah well, whatever. Nevermind.
>
>>>>> Let's say that there 10000 people using the program. According to
>>>>> the stats 7820 are on Windows and 1090 are on GNU/Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now suppose that out of those 10000 users, 1000 are bug reporters.
>>>>> Of those 1000, 770 are on Windows and 90 are on GNU/Linux. This is
>>>>> what the stats say, right?
>>>>> This leads to the conclusion that on GNU/Linux 8.3% of the users
>>>>> are bug reporters, while on Windows only 8.4% of the users are bug
>>>>> reporters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hence, ...
>>>
>>> Ah, fuck. Damn stats. Can't trust 'em!
>>
>>
>> When they supported your "misinterpretation" they "made perfect sense".
>
> Absolutely!
>
>> Face facts, fella; you're a Linux idiot.  Less biased than most of the
>> moronic "advocates", but still a drooler.
>
> You got it!
>
> Nah, it was a stupid mistake to make, and I humbly accept the defeat.

That's all I ever wanted...



> What does worry me now is that the songbird developers are dropping
> support for GNU/Linux because "only" 11 % of their users are on that
> platform. When I thought it was only 1% I could accept that, kind of,
> but at 11%? I find that worrying, and I certainly hope this will not
> turn into a trend...

It's a cost-benefit decision, obviously (cost being time).

But take heart: it will remain open source, so you and 7 and Gidget can 
enhance it.

You three will be enhancing it, won't you?  Why not?

DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:

> On 5/3/2010 5:44 PM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
>> Right, the last row is general OS usage share. Misinterpreted that. My
>> mistake. Here's the calculation with the correct numbers:
>
> Statistically it should be 50% one way and 50% the other, but somehow 
> the "mistakes" and "misinterpretations" of the Linux "advocate" always 
> go against Windows.
>
> My lie-dar is always accurate.
>
>>>> Let's say that there 10000 people using the program. According to
>>>> the stats 7820 are on Windows and 1090 are on GNU/Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Now suppose that out of those 10000 users, 1000 are bug reporters.
>>>> Of those 1000, 770 are on Windows and 90 are on GNU/Linux. This is
>>>> what the stats say, right?
>>>> This leads to the conclusion that on GNU/Linux 8.3% of the users
>>>> are bug reporters, while on Windows only 8.4% of the users are bug
>>>> reporters.
>>>>
>>>> Hence, ...
>>
>> Ah, fuck. Damn stats. Can't trust 'em!
>
> When they supported your "misinterpretation" they "made perfect sense".
>
> Face facts, fella; you're a Linux idiot.  Less biased than most of the 
> moronic "advocates", but still a drooler.

he had so much potential until he went down the Liarmutt route of
thinking he was 1337 before getting told his work methods were amateur
and went against all best known practises.

If, however, in the heat of battle I have mixed him up with someone else
I will, unreservedly, apologise. But I dont think I have. Unlike someone
like Creepy who waits a while and then repeats the same lies while
sucking up to the other "advocates".

Chris' behaviour gives me the willies, it really does.

DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:

> On 5/3/2010 7:50 PM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>> On 5/3/2010 5:44 PM, TomB wrote:
>>>> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>>
>>>> Right, the last row is general OS usage share. Misinterpreted that. My
>>>> mistake. Here's the calculation with the correct numbers:
>>>
>>> Statistically it should be 50% one way and 50% the other, but somehow
>>> the "mistakes" and "misinterpretations" of the Linux "advocate" always
>>> go against Windows.
>>>
>>> My lie-dar is always accurate.
>>
>> You still insist that I was lying?
>
> Much like Rex "Kingmaker" Ballard, you continue to make "mistakes" that 
> always insult Windows.  What am I to think?
>
>> Ah well, whatever. Nevermind.
>>
>>>>>> Let's say that there 10000 people using the program. According to
>>>>>> the stats 7820 are on Windows and 1090 are on GNU/Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now suppose that out of those 10000 users, 1000 are bug reporters.
>>>>>> Of those 1000, 770 are on Windows and 90 are on GNU/Linux. This is
>>>>>> what the stats say, right?
>>>>>> This leads to the conclusion that on GNU/Linux 8.3% of the users
>>>>>> are bug reporters, while on Windows only 8.4% of the users are bug
>>>>>> reporters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hence, ...
>>>>
>>>> Ah, fuck. Damn stats. Can't trust 'em!
>>>
>>>
>>> When they supported your "misinterpretation" they "made perfect sense".
>>
>> Absolutely!
>>
>>> Face facts, fella; you're a Linux idiot.  Less biased than most of the
>>> moronic "advocates", but still a drooler.
>>
>> You got it!
>>
>> Nah, it was a stupid mistake to make, and I humbly accept the defeat.
>
> That's all I ever wanted...
>
>> What does worry me now is that the songbird developers are dropping
>> support for GNU/Linux because "only" 11 % of their users are on that
>> platform. When I thought it was only 1% I could accept that, kind of,
>> but at 11%? I find that worrying, and I certainly hope this will not
>> turn into a trend...
>
> It's a cost-benefit decision, obviously (cost being time).
>
> But take heart: it will remain open source, so you and 7 and Gidget can 
> enhance it.
>
> You three will be enhancing it, won't you?  Why not?

7 and Gidget are useless morons : that's reason number ONE. Possibly
Chris Ahlstrom and Koehlmann can help? So long as none of it is in,
*snigger*, C obviously.

Fixing bugs is always a good place to start:-

http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/

On 2010-05-04, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> On 5/3/2010 7:50 PM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>> On 5/3/2010 5:44 PM, TomB wrote:
>>>> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>>
>>>> Right, the last row is general OS usage share. Misinterpreted that. My
>>>> mistake. Here's the calculation with the correct numbers:
>>>
>>> Statistically it should be 50% one way and 50% the other, but somehow
>>> the "mistakes" and "misinterpretations" of the Linux "advocate" always
>>> go against Windows.
>>>
>>> My lie-dar is always accurate.
>>
>> You still insist that I was lying?
>
>
> Much like Rex "Kingmaker" Ballard, you continue to make "mistakes" that 
> always insult Windows.  What am I to think?

----->

>> Ah well, whatever. Nevermind.


>> Nah, it was a stupid mistake to make, and I humbly accept the defeat.
>
> That's all I ever wanted...

I aim to please. That's the kind of nice guy I am.

>> What does worry me now is that the songbird developers are dropping
>> support for GNU/Linux because "only" 11 % of their users are on that
>> platform. When I thought it was only 1% I could accept that, kind of,
>> but at 11%? I find that worrying, and I certainly hope this will not
>> turn into a trend...
>
> It's a cost-benefit decision, obviously (cost being time).
>
> But take heart: it will remain open source, so you and 7 and Gidget can 
> enhance it.
>
> You three will be enhancing it, won't you?

Hell no!

> Why not?

* I couldn't program my way out of a paper bag.
* Never used the damn program :-p

-- 
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Recursivity.  Call back if it happens again.

TomB pulled this Usenet boner:

> On 2010-05-03, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
> <DFS typical sneering insinuations snipped>
>
> What does worry me now is that the songbird developers are dropping
> support for GNU/Linux because "only" 11 % of their users are on that
> platform. When I thought it was only 1% I could accept that, kind of,
> but at 11%? I find that worrying, and I certainly hope this will not
> turn into a trend...

The project has to decide if it is part of a community, or not, and if so,
which community.  (Communities overlap).

It may be as simple as the one Linux guy in the project deciding to move on.

-- 
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		-- Shakespeare