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The Linux desktop experience is killing Linux on the desktop, Part II

Unlike the Linturds of COLA, this guy actually uses Linux and knows why
it's having problems as a desktop alternative to Windows.

Read it and weep freetards!!!

Let the discrediting games begin!!

http://batsov.com/Linux/Windows/Rant/2011/06/14/linux-desktop-part-2.html


Overture

A few days back I wrote a somewhat controversial article called, ��The
Linux desktop experience is killing Linux on the desktop��. While many
readers seem to have grasped the true purpose of the article, a lot of
people claimed that it was nothing but FUD (a favorite term of many
people in the Linux community, who would rather ignore existing problems
than face/acknowledge them).

If you��ve read my last post and generally agree with it - don��t bother
reading this one. It��s basically more of the same - in greater detail
and with less profanities.

In this article I��ll have a look at the state of the Linux desktop, it��s
usability, strengths and weaknesses.
Let��s get some facts straight

I��m writing this post from my Emacs 23.2 client (in Markdown, to publish
it via git to my jekyll powered blog) connected to my Emacs daemon,
running on my Fedora 15 GNOME 3.0 desktop at home. This machine has its
every part carefully selected for maximum Linux compatibility (the
machine is a bit old, but that wasn��t always the case) - a GeForce
9600GT known to work ��great�� with the open-source nouveau driver, an
Asus Xonar DX sound card, supported by the great Oxygen HD audio driver,
etc. I do know how to buy hardware (contrary to popular belief).
Actually I��ve been a hardware enthusiast for most of my life and I know
much more about the inner workings of computer components than most
people. That said - the hardware that I bought for my home PC was not
the hardware that I wanted to buy, but the one I had to buy.

Even the ill-fated T520 Sandy Bridge laptop was supposed to work very
well with Linux - after all Intel and Nvidia video cards are the safest
bet in town.

One of the great things about using a free (as in speech) OS like Linux
is that you get to do things exactly the way you want to do them. You��re
in control. Everything is transparent. Nothing magically happens behind
the scenes. It��s sad that this doesn��t extend to the ability to pick any
piece of fairly generic hardware and properly enjoy it. Often you just
have to hope and pray - and sometimes you might get lucky.

A reader pointed me to this piece - a rebuttal of my article. Here��s an
excerpt:

Here we go again. Some fellow has gotten all whiny about being such a
big Linux fan, ���K hardcore Linux user �K��, but he just had to go back to
Microsoft to get things done. Why? Because he is tired of having to
tinker with Fedora Linux to make things work, or fail to work, with
cutting edge hardware �K and 64-bit Flash on 64-bit Linux is sucky �K and
Skype on Linux is sucky �K and �K and �K and. It was all just so painful
and time consuming he could not take it any longer and went back to the
safe arms of Microsoft to escape the horror that is Linux. Good grief.
Okay, first and foremost, a true ��hardcore Linux user��, in my mind a fan
of Linux, is unlikely to switch from Linux to anything else. Oh yes, he
or she will switch Linux distributions in a heartbeat, or maybe three
heartbeats, if a distribution fails to work as needed. But switching to
Microsoft and leaving the Linux desktop behind? Not likely, my friends.
I consider myself a true ��hardcore Linux user�� and I see no voluntary
switch from Linux in my future �K ever.

This bit produced a sad smile on my face. Had to go back to Microsoft?
Absolutely not! Chose to use Windows 7 (for the time being)�K If I was to
go back to something it should have been FreeBSD since it was the OS I
was using before Linux (and of course Windows before that indeed). I
actually switched quite reluctantly from FreeBSD to Linux for a simple
reason - Linux supported wider hardware variety and there were more
native apps for it.

All Unix-derived OSes are more or less the same from an user��s
perspective - mostly the same environment, the same applications. The
only thing that really makes the difference is the hardware support and
Linux is clearly far ahead of its competition.

Hardcore user? You bet! But hardcore doesn��t mean an ��unreasonable
idiot, blinded by zealously��. It��s not always that someone��s favorite
technologies are the best solution to a problem. The section ��the shit
I��ve endured�� had a dual purpose - list a ��few�� problems and show how
resilient I am.

Distro hopping is something that mostly newbies do, because they fail to
grasp a fundamental thing in the land of Linux - 95% of the stuff that
comprises a distribution is generic stuff found in most other distros.
You cannot seriously expect that the same drivers in a different distro
will yield wildly different results�K Sure, bugs do tend to occur, and
sometimes they are truly distribution specific. Sure, some distros
happen to patch the stuff they ship heavily, while others favor shipping
vanilla versions of both software ant the kernel.
The process of driver development

My former post placed a heavy emphasis on existing driver issues. While
I abhor some Linux drivers I��ve never ever blamed the authors of open
source drivers. Here��s why:

The year and a half I��ve spent writing Linux drivers for a proprietary
Austrian company was some of the hardest time in my professional career.
Writing drivers is fairly hard task for two reasons - you have to have
very intimate knowledge of the hardware at hand and you have to write
very safe code (and carefully test it), because otherwise you might
bring the whole kernel down. I was basically reading tech specs (most
boring read in the world) most of the day and writing very little code
in end. Debugging drivers is not a pleasant task either.

Linux certainly has some of the best developers in the world. I have
little doubt in that. The problem is that these same developers spent
their days working other jobs and you cannot seriously expect them to
have the time or the energy (not to mention the specs required) to
produce drivers that are on par with commercial counterparts developed
for OSX and Windows by big team with vast resources at their disposal.

This is the actual problem as I see it - we��re expecting individuals to
create good drivers for us out the kindness of their hearts in their
little spare time with little or no hardware specs on which to rely for
absolutely no money.

I��ve read the source code of many network layer drivers in the Linux
kernel and I��ve noticed a common trend - a lot of the drivers were
actually written by hardware engineers (instead of software engineers) -
they are filled with copy/paste segments from other drivers, lots of
useless/dubious/dangerous code. This doesn��t surprise me - few software
engineers have solid grasp of hardware and/or the will to take part in
driver development. This is a big problem with no easy solution.

The hardware vendors are the only party that deserves blame for the
sorry state of many drivers. I cannot believe how hard it is for a
company with the size of AMD to deliver a decent Linux driver for so
many years. Their driver is a monument of everything that is wrong with
hardware vendors as far as Linux is concerned - no support for latest
kernels/X, no support for current state-of-the-art Linux video
technologies, notorious instability and performance. Nvidia fare a lot
better but still - their driver lacks the support basic stuff such as
KMS�K

So what can we do? Obviously not everyone can start writing better
drivers, but still everyone could try to help�K

For most desktop hardware vendors Linux is a non-existing OS. Linux
truly has a small market share, but that is not the actual problem. The
actual problem is that Linux desktop user would rather wait for someone
from the community to come up with a solution instead of the pressure
the vendors into action. Fill their mailboxes with angry letters, write
blog posts about their inadequacy to properly support the third largest
desktop OS in the world. Companies love to make money and hate bad
press�K
The desktop software stack

The Linux desktop stack has some great qualities - for instance it often
comes with batteries included. You have most of your day to day need
covered as soon as you install your distro - a decent browser, a good
email client, an office suit, disk burning utility, torrent downloader,
IM client, text editors, photo organizers, image editors, etc. When I
installed Windows 7 I was a bit surprised how bare the initial
installation is and how many third party apps I needed to install. And
of course most of the Linux desktop apps coming from the same
environment (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, etc) have a very uniform look and feel to
them which I personally value a lot.

Unfortunately not everything is great�K

The Linux desktop application stack suffers from a few serious problems:

    * a few individuals make crucial decisions without taking any input
from the user community
    * many projects have only one principle developer that happens to do
things his way without regard for anyone else
    * often highly unstable beta quality software is pushed as stable to
the end users
    * a lot of prominent apps that are multi-platform seem to undergo
sub-par testing/QA process under Linux and experience common problems
like crashes and memory leaks that don��t manifest that often on other
platforms

In more details�K

Is it really better for the users?

Often a new feature arrives that is marketed as a huge improvement for
the end-users. Most of the time the end-users are never inquired about
their opinion of the feature. PulseAudio is a great example. I was
pretty happy using ALSA directly, but nobody asked me what I thought
about the change. Initially it was fairly easy to disable pulse audio,
but as it became more and more integrated into the desktops the process
became harder (luckily pulse audio improved in the process). While I��m
perfectly aware of the technical reasoning that lead to pulse audio��s
creation I do find it rather useless. With only one major architecture
left (almost no one uses OSS on Linux these days) the introduction of
intermediate sound layer of dubious quality never made that much sense
to me. Sure, ALSA needed a simpler API, but we didn��t deserve to be
punished with pulse audio�K

It��s my way or the highway

Most of you probably remember that Pidgin (formerly Gaim) used to be the
default IM client in GNOME based distros. At some point this quickly
changed and Empathy became the default client. Part of the reason for
the switch was the unwillingness of the lead developer in the Pidgin
project to collaborate with the GNOME developers. I still remember the
controversial fix that made the input area non-resizable with no option
to go back to the previous setting. I guess GNOME��s devs were really
pissed about something since they replaced the all around great Pidgin
with a vastly inferior and immensely buggy (at least for the first year
and a half) product.

Too much power of the hands of a single person with no overseer is
dangerous. In the open-source world one can easily fork a project, but
this is a dangerous path as well that is often likely to wreak havoc
into the development of the project.

Are we your users or your beta testers?

A few examples from recent years:

KDE 4.0

GNOME 3.0

Empathy

PulseAudio

NetworkManager

Beagle

The list could go on and on�K Microsoft and Apple have certainly had
their fair share of mistakes (Win ME, Win Vista, OS X Leopard), but
nothing on a scale as epic as KDE 4.0 or GNOME 3.0�K

Some users are more important then others it seems�K

All those programs run on all major OS, but they perform worst on Linux:

Firefox

OpenOffice

Flash Player

Obviously writing great multi-platform apps is possible as illustrated
by software such as VLC and Google Chrome. But what about all the rest.
I feel that Firefox��s days as the dominant browser on the Linux desktop
are numbered - most of my friends that use Linux have already switched
to Chrome (or the open source Chromium). Firefox on Linux is like a bad
joke - slow, memory hungry and unstable. I keep hearing that it runs a
lot better on OSX and Windows, probably because it got a lot more
testing on those platforms. I understand their reasoning - most of their
clients use those two OSes so it makes sense to make them important in
the dev/testing phases. But they should remember something - Firefox is
(for now) the default browser only in most Linux distros and it��s never
going to be the default in Windows or OSX�K

Same goes for OpenOffice to the letter.

And flash is well - flash. It��s not the greatest piece of software on
any platform, but it��s absolutely horrible in Linux. When I open a flash
intensive web site my CPU load generally spikes up to the sky (thank God
for AdBlock & FlashBlock).

Skype was not even mentioned here (until now obviously) since the Linux
version is so far behind the one for OSX and Windows that I wouldn��t
even consider it a port. It��s just some pile of crap compiled to be able
to list Linux as a supported OS on their website�K They promised
improvements, they promised an open-source Linux client - two years
later we��re still using Skype 2.1 BETA. I wish more people had the sense
to use a service like Google Talk so I wouldn��t have to put up with
skype at all.
The community (communist) model

I live in a country from the former Soviet block (Bulgaria) and I��ve
seen first hand what Communism leads to. I��ve also seen first-hand why
Communism doesn��t actually work - few people actually live and abide by
it and the rest of society simply practices the fine art of ��getting by��
and lives on their shoulders. The Communism can only really work if
everyone is pulling their own weight in it (which sounds a bit absurd
indeed).

Something similar is happening on the Linux desktop ship - everybody
says he��s on board, but very few people are actually rowing and bringing
the Linux desktop to it��s designated port.

I��ve written only two desktop project for Linux from scratch (an
English-Bulgarian dictionary utility and a GUI front-end for pacman on
Arch Linux), but I��ve contributed bug reports and patches to lots of
projects. No matter what your opinion about me is - I��ve done something
for the Linux desktop and I��m doing something for the desktop now as
well - writing this article�K

What have you done? Sure, very few users are software engineers, but
that doesn��t mean they can��t help. Bug reports are just as important as
patches. Ideas and suggestions for improvements are highly valued as
well. Don��t sit in the shadows doing nothing - step into the light and
do something to help your favorite project get a little bit better.

Step by step. Fix by fix. Improvement by improvement. This is how good
software gets created.

The bottom line is - the more of us that pitch in the fight for a proper
Linux desktop experience, the bigger the chances of the dream becoming
reality become.
Future

Unless something radically changes in the near future I don��t see how
Linux can rise up to be a mainstream desktop OS. With very few companies
having any stakes in the Linux desktop that isn��t happening any time
soon. I find a somewhat troubling trend in recent years - a lot of
companies that worked for a better desktop experience are now gone.
Ximian (the company behind GNOME) was purchased by Novell and later
Novell crumbled, making the future of one of the most popular desktop
distributions OpenSUSE doubtful. Mandrake was once one of the most
powerful Linux companies and Mandrake Linux was widely used. Currently
Mandriva is constantly on the brink of bankruptcy. There are many other
examples - Xandros, VidaLinux, etc�K Even the ��mighty�� Canonical
struggles to build a successful business model around their widely
successful Ubuntu OS.

Desktop Linux has to be made somehow profitable for companies to start
investing more heavily in it. This is the hard, but honest truth. As
long as the primarily development is carried out with little (or no
funding), mostly by volunteers the hour of the desktop Linux will never
come.

There is one more serious problem - diversity. There are two many
distributions bring too little value to the table. The time spent
repacking the same software for a hundred distros could be better
utilized developing new applications/drivers and improving existing
ones. We need to have at least a couple rock solid desktop
distros/environments, otherwise the whole diversity thing means
basically nothing.

Few good options are worth more than a million half-baked options!
Epilogue

This article (and the one before it) was never about jumping the ship,
claiming that Windows or OSX are better than Linux or spreading ��FUD��
(if I totally hate a term this is the one). It was always about raising
the awareness of existing issues in the land of desktop Linux. After all
just a few days before I had written a post installation guide for
Fedora 15.

While I was writing the last paragraph I got another GNOME 3 shell
corruption (time for killall gnome-shell to take the stage) on my
totally supported hardware�K A skype sound notification interrupted the
song I was listening to (thanks a lot, PulseAudio)�K And yet I��m still
here. I did switch to Windows 7 on my laptop and I do intend to use
Window 7 at least for a while there. It��s not perfect either, trust me
about that. Poor terminal emulator (though great PowerShell), a few
random application crashes (but these happen in Linux as well in recent
years) just to name a few.

The Linux desktop is at the edge of a cliff now. It��s up to us to decide
whether we would save it or push it over the edge. 
-- 
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/
 
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta 
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html 

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
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flatfish+++ wrote:

> 
> Unlike the Linturds of COLA, this guy actually uses Linux and knows why
> it's having problems as a desktop alternative to Windows.
> 
> Read it and weep freetards!!!


It works for me!

The blog post doesn't have one single point to make as with
previous post. 

Micoshaft/Appil numb skulls do this kind of
negative marketing thing recycling the same
old tired anti-Linux marketing drivel and again when they are losing.

Here is why:


How to attempt to create a bug with Ubuntu
------------------------------------------

Step 1. Install Ubuntu on a random PC.
        http://www.ubuntu.com/

Step 2. Remove the Ubuntu hard drive.

Step 3. Walk to a different PC with different motherboard, graphics card,
        network card, monitor, mouse, keyboard, bluetooth, wifi,
        chipset, printer, webcam and audio system.

Step 4. Connect PC direct to the internet without a firewall or router.
        Just to make life difficult, connect the PC to the dsl modem
        through the USB instead of the ethernet.

Step 5. Plug in Ubuntu hard drive.

Step 6. Press the power button and boot straight back into Linux.
        20 to 40 seconds to boot with modern PC and start browsing internet
        and finish downloading first google page.


So, OK I admit that wouldn't have generated a bug - it will all boot 
without incident. So next up is some deliberate vandalism and sabotage.

Lets yank out the internet cable and then run firefox.

<yank!>

Err... nope - no failure - firefox is still working!!!!

Doh!! 

Its still working if you live in London (or any major UK city)
and you have a wifi on your PC/netbook and you are signed
up for BT Openzone. They have 2.8 million wifi sites around
all the major cities and towns:

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=25812




> Let the discrediting games begin!!
> 
> http://batsov.com/Linux/Windows/Rant/2011/06/14/linux-desktop-part-2.html
> 
> 
> Overture
> 
> A few days back I wrote a somewhat controversial article called, “The
> Linux desktop experience is killing Linux on the desktop”. While many
> readers seem to have grasped the true purpose of the article, a lot of
> people claimed that it was nothing but FUD (a favorite term of many
> people in the Linux community, who would rather ignore existing problems
> than face/acknowledge them).
> 
> If you’ve read my last post and generally agree with it - don’t bother
> reading this one. It’s basically more of the same - in greater detail
> and with less profanities.
> 
> In this article I’ll have a look at the state of the Linux desktop, it’s
> usability, strengths and weaknesses.
> Let’s get some facts straight
> 
> I’m writing this post from my Emacs 23.2 client (in Markdown, to publish
> it via git to my jekyll powered blog) connected to my Emacs daemon,
> running on my Fedora 15 GNOME 3.0 desktop at home. This machine has its
> every part carefully selected for maximum Linux compatibility (the
> machine is a bit old, but that wasn’t always the case) - a GeForce
> 9600GT known to work “great” with the open-source nouveau driver, an
> Asus Xonar DX sound card, supported by the great Oxygen HD audio driver,
> etc. I do know how to buy hardware (contrary to popular belief).
> Actually I’ve been a hardware enthusiast for most of my life and I know
> much more about the inner workings of computer components than most
> people. That said - the hardware that I bought for my home PC was not
> the hardware that I wanted to buy, but the one I had to buy.
> 
> Even the ill-fated T520 Sandy Bridge laptop was supposed to work very
> well with Linux - after all Intel and Nvidia video cards are the safest
> bet in town.
> 
> One of the great things about using a free (as in speech) OS like Linux
> is that you get to do things exactly the way you want to do them. You’re
> in control. Everything is transparent. Nothing magically happens behind
> the scenes. It’s sad that this doesn’t extend to the ability to pick any
> piece of fairly generic hardware and properly enjoy it. Often you just
> have to hope and pray - and sometimes you might get lucky.
> 
> A reader pointed me to this piece - a rebuttal of my article. Here’s an
> excerpt:
> 
> Here we go again. Some fellow has gotten all whiny about being such a
> big Linux fan, “… hardcore Linux user …”, but he just had to go back to
> Microsoft to get things done. Why? Because he is tired of having to
> tinker with Fedora Linux to make things work, or fail to work, with
> cutting edge hardware … and 64-bit Flash on 64-bit Linux is sucky … and
> Skype on Linux is sucky … and … and … and. It was all just so painful
> and time consuming he could not take it any longer and went back to the
> safe arms of Microsoft to escape the horror that is Linux. Good grief.
> Okay, first and foremost, a true “hardcore Linux user”, in my mind a fan
> of Linux, is unlikely to switch from Linux to anything else. Oh yes, he
> or she will switch Linux distributions in a heartbeat, or maybe three
> heartbeats, if a distribution fails to work as needed. But switching to
> Microsoft and leaving the Linux desktop behind? Not likely, my friends.
> I consider myself a true “hardcore Linux user” and I see no voluntary
> switch from Linux in my future … ever.
> 
> This bit produced a sad smile on my face. Had to go back to Microsoft?
> Absolutely not! Chose to use Windows 7 (for the time being)… If I was to
> go back to something it should have been FreeBSD since it was the OS I
> was using before Linux (and of course Windows before that indeed). I
> actually switched quite reluctantly from FreeBSD to Linux for a simple
> reason - Linux supported wider hardware variety and there were more
> native apps for it.
> 
> All Unix-derived OSes are more or less the same from an user’s
> perspective - mostly the same environment, the same applications. The
> only thing that really makes the difference is the hardware support and
> Linux is clearly far ahead of its competition.
> 
> Hardcore user? You bet! But hardcore doesn’t mean an ‘unreasonable
> idiot, blinded by zealously’. It’s not always that someone’s favorite
> technologies are the best solution to a problem. The section “the shit
> I’ve endured” had a dual purpose - list a “few” problems and show how
> resilient I am.
> 
> Distro hopping is something that mostly newbies do, because they fail to
> grasp a fundamental thing in the land of Linux - 95% of the stuff that
> comprises a distribution is generic stuff found in most other distros.
> You cannot seriously expect that the same drivers in a different distro
> will yield wildly different results… Sure, bugs do tend to occur, and
> sometimes they are truly distribution specific. Sure, some distros
> happen to patch the stuff they ship heavily, while others favor shipping
> vanilla versions of both software ant the kernel.
> The process of driver development
> 
> My former post placed a heavy emphasis on existing driver issues. While
> I abhor some Linux drivers I’ve never ever blamed the authors of open
> source drivers. Here’s why:
> 
> The year and a half I’ve spent writing Linux drivers for a proprietary
> Austrian company was some of the hardest time in my professional career.
> Writing drivers is fairly hard task for two reasons - you have to have
> very intimate knowledge of the hardware at hand and you have to write
> very safe code (and carefully test it), because otherwise you might
> bring the whole kernel down. I was basically reading tech specs (most
> boring read in the world) most of the day and writing very little code
> in end. Debugging drivers is not a pleasant task either.
> 
> Linux certainly has some of the best developers in the world. I have
> little doubt in that. The problem is that these same developers spent
> their days working other jobs and you cannot seriously expect them to
> have the time or the energy (not to mention the specs required) to
> produce drivers that are on par with commercial counterparts developed
> for OSX and Windows by big team with vast resources at their disposal.
> 
> This is the actual problem as I see it - we’re expecting individuals to
> create good drivers for us out the kindness of their hearts in their
> little spare time with little or no hardware specs on which to rely for
> absolutely no money.
> 
> I’ve read the source code of many network layer drivers in the Linux
> kernel and I’ve noticed a common trend - a lot of the drivers were
> actually written by hardware engineers (instead of software engineers) -
> they are filled with copy/paste segments from other drivers, lots of
> useless/dubious/dangerous code. This doesn’t surprise me - few software
> engineers have solid grasp of hardware and/or the will to take part in
> driver development. This is a big problem with no easy solution.
> 
> The hardware vendors are the only party that deserves blame for the
> sorry state of many drivers. I cannot believe how hard it is for a
> company with the size of AMD to deliver a decent Linux driver for so
> many years. Their driver is a monument of everything that is wrong with
> hardware vendors as far as Linux is concerned - no support for latest
> kernels/X, no support for current state-of-the-art Linux video
> technologies, notorious instability and performance. Nvidia fare a lot
> better but still - their driver lacks the support basic stuff such as
> KMS…
> 
> So what can we do? Obviously not everyone can start writing better
> drivers, but still everyone could try to help…
> 
> For most desktop hardware vendors Linux is a non-existing OS. Linux
> truly has a small market share, but that is not the actual problem. The
> actual problem is that Linux desktop user would rather wait for someone
> from the community to come up with a solution instead of the pressure
> the vendors into action. Fill their mailboxes with angry letters, write
> blog posts about their inadequacy to properly support the third largest
> desktop OS in the world. Companies love to make money and hate bad
> press…
> The desktop software stack
> 
> The Linux desktop stack has some great qualities - for instance it often
> comes with batteries included. You have most of your day to day need
> covered as soon as you install your distro - a decent browser, a good
> email client, an office suit, disk burning utility, torrent downloader,
> IM client, text editors, photo organizers, image editors, etc. When I
> installed Windows 7 I was a bit surprised how bare the initial
> installation is and how many third party apps I needed to install. And
> of course most of the Linux desktop apps coming from the same
> environment (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, etc) have a very uniform look and feel to
> them which I personally value a lot.
> 
> Unfortunately not everything is great…
> 
> The Linux desktop application stack suffers from a few serious problems:
> 
>     * a few individuals make crucial decisions without taking any input
> from the user community
>     * many projects have only one principle developer that happens to do
> things his way without regard for anyone else
>     * often highly unstable beta quality software is pushed as stable to
> the end users
>     * a lot of prominent apps that are multi-platform seem to undergo
> sub-par testing/QA process under Linux and experience common problems
> like crashes and memory leaks that don’t manifest that often on other
> platforms
> 
> In more details…
> 
> Is it really better for the users?
> 
> Often a new feature arrives that is marketed as a huge improvement for
> the end-users. Most of the time the end-users are never inquired about
> their opinion of the feature. PulseAudio is a great example. I was
> pretty happy using ALSA directly, but nobody asked me what I thought
> about the change. Initially it was fairly easy to disable pulse audio,
> but as it became more and more integrated into the desktops the process
> became harder (luckily pulse audio improved in the process). While I’m
> perfectly aware of the technical reasoning that lead to pulse audio’s
> creation I do find it rather useless. With only one major architecture
> left (almost no one uses OSS on Linux these days) the introduction of
> intermediate sound layer of dubious quality never made that much sense
> to me. Sure, ALSA needed a simpler API, but we didn’t deserve to be
> punished with pulse audio…
> 
> It’s my way or the highway
> 
> Most of you probably remember that Pidgin (formerly Gaim) used to be the
> default IM client in GNOME based distros. At some point this quickly
> changed and Empathy became the default client. Part of the reason for
> the switch was the unwillingness of the lead developer in the Pidgin
> project to collaborate with the GNOME developers. I still remember the
> controversial fix that made the input area non-resizable with no option
> to go back to the previous setting. I guess GNOME’s devs were really
> pissed about something since they replaced the all around great Pidgin
> with a vastly inferior and immensely buggy (at least for the first year
> and a half) product.
> 
> Too much power of the hands of a single person with no overseer is
> dangerous. In the open-source world one can easily fork a project, but
> this is a dangerous path as well that is often likely to wreak havoc
> into the development of the project.
> 
> Are we your users or your beta testers?
> 
> A few examples from recent years:
> 
> KDE 4.0
> 
> GNOME 3.0
> 
> Empathy
> 
> PulseAudio
> 
> NetworkManager
> 
> Beagle
> 
> The list could go on and on… Microsoft and Apple have certainly had
> their fair share of mistakes (Win ME, Win Vista, OS X Leopard), but
> nothing on a scale as epic as KDE 4.0 or GNOME 3.0…
> 
> Some users are more important then others it seems…
> 
> All those programs run on all major OS, but they perform worst on Linux:
> 
> Firefox
> 
> OpenOffice
> 
> Flash Player
> 
> Obviously writing great multi-platform apps is possible as illustrated
> by software such as VLC and Google Chrome. But what about all the rest.
> I feel that Firefox’s days as the dominant browser on the Linux desktop
> are numbered - most of my friends that use Linux have already switched
> to Chrome (or the open source Chromium). Firefox on Linux is like a bad
> joke - slow, memory hungry and unstable. I keep hearing that it runs a
> lot better on OSX and Windows, probably because it got a lot more
> testing on those platforms. I understand their reasoning - most of their
> clients use those two OSes so it makes sense to make them important in
> the dev/testing phases. But they should remember something - Firefox is
> (for now) the default browser only in most Linux distros and it’s never
> going to be the default in Windows or OSX…
> 
> Same goes for OpenOffice to the letter.
> 
> And flash is well - flash. It’s not the greatest piece of software on
> any platform, but it’s absolutely horrible in Linux. When I open a flash
> intensive web site my CPU load generally spikes up to the sky (thank God
> for AdBlock & FlashBlock).
> 
> Skype was not even mentioned here (until now obviously) since the Linux
> version is so far behind the one for OSX and Windows that I wouldn’t
> even consider it a port. It’s just some pile of crap compiled to be able
> to list Linux as a supported OS on their website… They promised
> improvements, they promised an open-source Linux client - two years
> later we’re still using Skype 2.1 BETA. I wish more people had the sense
> to use a service like Google Talk so I wouldn’t have to put up with
> skype at all.
> The community (communist) model
> 
> I live in a country from the former Soviet block (Bulgaria) and I’ve
> seen first hand what Communism leads to. I’ve also seen first-hand why
> Communism doesn’t actually work - few people actually live and abide by
> it and the rest of society simply practices the fine art of “getting by”
> and lives on their shoulders. The Communism can only really work if
> everyone is pulling their own weight in it (which sounds a bit absurd
> indeed).
> 
> Something similar is happening on the Linux desktop ship - everybody
> says he’s on board, but very few people are actually rowing and bringing
> the Linux desktop to it’s designated port.
> 
> I’ve written only two desktop project for Linux from scratch (an
> English-Bulgarian dictionary utility and a GUI front-end for pacman on
> Arch Linux), but I’ve contributed bug reports and patches to lots of
> projects. No matter what your opinion about me is - I’ve done something
> for the Linux desktop and I’m doing something for the desktop now as
> well - writing this article…
> 
> What have you done? Sure, very few users are software engineers, but
> that doesn’t mean they can’t help. Bug reports are just as important as
> patches. Ideas and suggestions for improvements are highly valued as
> well. Don’t sit in the shadows doing nothing - step into the light and
> do something to help your favorite project get a little bit better.
> 
> Step by step. Fix by fix. Improvement by improvement. This is how good
> software gets created.
> 
> The bottom line is - the more of us that pitch in the fight for a proper
> Linux desktop experience, the bigger the chances of the dream becoming
> reality become.
> Future
> 
> Unless something radically changes in the near future I don’t see how
> Linux can rise up to be a mainstream desktop OS. With very few companies
> having any stakes in the Linux desktop that isn’t happening any time
> soon. I find a somewhat troubling trend in recent years - a lot of
> companies that worked for a better desktop experience are now gone.
> Ximian (the company behind GNOME) was purchased by Novell and later
> Novell crumbled, making the future of one of the most popular desktop
> distributions OpenSUSE doubtful. Mandrake was once one of the most
> powerful Linux companies and Mandrake Linux was widely used. Currently
> Mandriva is constantly on the brink of bankruptcy. There are many other
> examples - Xandros, VidaLinux, etc… Even the “mighty” Canonical
> struggles to build a successful business model around their widely
> successful Ubuntu OS.
> 
> Desktop Linux has to be made somehow profitable for companies to start
> investing more heavily in it. This is the hard, but honest truth. As
> long as the primarily development is carried out with little (or no
> funding), mostly by volunteers the hour of the desktop Linux will never
> come.
> 
> There is one more serious problem - diversity. There are two many
> distributions bring too little value to the table. The time spent
> repacking the same software for a hundred distros could be better
> utilized developing new applications/drivers and improving existing
> ones. We need to have at least a couple rock solid desktop
> distros/environments, otherwise the whole diversity thing means
> basically nothing.
> 
> Few good options are worth more than a million half-baked options!
> Epilogue
> 
> This article (and the one before it) was never about jumping the ship,
> claiming that Windows or OSX are better than Linux or spreading “FUD”
> (if I totally hate a term this is the one). It was always about raising
> the awareness of existing issues in the land of desktop Linux. After all
> just a few days before I had written a post installation guide for
> Fedora 15.
> 
> While I was writing the last paragraph I got another GNOME 3 shell
> corruption (time for killall gnome-shell to take the stage) on my
> totally supported hardware… A skype sound notification interrupted the
> song I was listening to (thanks a lot, PulseAudio)… And yet I’m still
> here. I did switch to Windows 7 on my laptop and I do intend to use
> Window 7 at least for a while there. It’s not perfect either, trust me
> about that. Poor terminal emulator (though great PowerShell), a few
> random application crashes (but these happen in Linux as well in recent
> years) just to name a few.
> 
> The Linux desktop is at the edge of a cliff now. It’s up to us to decide
> whether we would save it or push it over the edge.

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6/19/2011 10:05:29 PM
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:05:29 +0100, 7 wrote:

> flatfish+++ wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Unlike the Linturds of COLA, this guy actually uses Linux and knows why
>> it's having problems as a desktop alternative to Windows.
>> 
>> Read it and weep freetards!!!
> 
> 
> It works for me!

Why should anyone believe a word you say 7 ?

You claim to have won the "European Inventor Of The Year" award yet the
organization that makes the award has never heard of you.....

http://www.epo.org/news-issues/european-inventor.html
 
> The blog post doesn't have one single point to make as with
> previous post. 
> 
> Micoshaft/Appil numb skulls do this kind of
> negative marketing thing recycling the same
> old tired anti-Linux marketing drivel and again when they are losing.

Your Linux based spell checking program is defective.

 
> Here is why:
> 
> 
> How to attempt to create a bug with Ubuntu
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> Step 1. Install Ubuntu on a random PC.
>         http://www.ubuntu.com/

That will do it!

Install Ubuntu and you will have more bugs than a case of Raid can
handle.


-- 
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/
 
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta 
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html 

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
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flatfish (4841)
6/19/2011 10:22:01 PM
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:05:29 +0100, 7 wrote:

> flatfish+++ wrote:
> 
> 
>> Unlike the Linturds of COLA, this guy actually uses Linux and knows why
>> it's having problems as a desktop alternative to Windows.
>> 
>> Read it and weep freetards!!!
> 
> 
> It works for me!
> 
> The blog post doesn't have one single point to make as with previous post.

It's complete garbage.

1] he decided to get some very special & unusual hardware.

2] Then he complains about problems with a beta Gnome3...


> Micoshaft/Appil numb skulls do this kind of negative marketing thing
> recycling the same old tired anti-Linux marketing drivel and again when
> they are losing.
> 
> Here is why:
> 
> 
> How to attempt to create a bug with Ubuntu
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> Step 1. Install Ubuntu on a random PC.
>         http://www.ubuntu.com/
> 
> Step 2. Remove the Ubuntu hard drive.
> 
> Step 3. Walk to a different PC with different motherboard, graphics card,
>         network card, monitor, mouse, keyboard, bluetooth, wifi, chipset,
>         printer, webcam and audio system.
> 
> Step 4. Connect PC direct to the internet without a firewall or router.
>         Just to make life difficult, connect the PC to the dsl modem
>         through the USB instead of the ethernet.
> 
> Step 5. Plug in Ubuntu hard drive.
> 
> Step 6. Press the power button and boot straight back into Linux.
>         20 to 40 seconds to boot with modern PC and start browsing
>         internet and finish downloading first google page.
> 
> 
> So, OK I admit that wouldn't have generated a bug - it will all boot
> without incident. So next up is some deliberate vandalism and sabotage.
> 
> Lets yank out the internet cable and then run firefox.
> 
> <yank!>
> 
> Err... nope - no failure - firefox is still working!!!!
> 
> Doh!!
> 
> Its still working if you live in London (or any major UK city) and you
> have a wifi on your PC/netbook and you are signed up for BT Openzone. They
> have 2.8 million wifi sites around all the major cities and towns:
> 
> http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=25812
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Let the discrediting games begin!!
>> 
>> http://batsov.com/Linux/Windows/Rant/2011/06/14/linux-desktop-part-2.html
>> 
>> 
>> Overture
>> 
>> A few days back I wrote a somewhat controversial article called, �The
>> Linux desktop experience is killing Linux on the desktop�. While many
>> readers seem to have grasped the true purpose of the article, a lot of
>> people claimed that it was nothing but FUD (a favorite term of many
>> people in the Linux community, who would rather ignore existing problems
>> than face/acknowledge them).
>> 
>> If you�ve read my last post and generally agree with it - don�t
>> bother reading this one. It�s basically more of the same - in greater
>> detail and with less profanities.
>> 
>> In this article I�ll have a look at the state of the Linux desktop,
>> it�s usability, strengths and weaknesses.
>> Let�s get some facts straight
>> 
>> I�m writing this post from my Emacs 23.2 client (in Markdown, to
>> publish it via git to my jekyll powered blog) connected to my Emacs
>> daemon, running on my Fedora 15 GNOME 3.0 desktop at home. This machine
>> has its every part carefully selected for maximum Linux compatibility
>> (the machine is a bit old, but that wasn�t always the case) - a
>> GeForce 9600GT known to work �great� with the open-source nouveau
>> driver, an Asus Xonar DX sound card, supported by the great Oxygen HD
>> audio driver, etc. I do know how to buy hardware (contrary to popular
>> belief). Actually I�ve been a hardware enthusiast for most of my life
>> and I know much more about the inner workings of computer components
>> than most people. That said - the hardware that I bought for my home PC
>> was not the hardware that I wanted to buy, but the one I had to buy.
>> 
>> Even the ill-fated T520 Sandy Bridge laptop was supposed to work very
>> well with Linux - after all Intel and Nvidia video cards are the safest
>> bet in town.
>> 
>> One of the great things about using a free (as in speech) OS like Linux
>> is that you get to do things exactly the way you want to do them.
>> You�re in control. Everything is transparent. Nothing magically
>> happens behind the scenes. It�s sad that this doesn�t extend to the
>> ability to pick any piece of fairly generic hardware and properly enjoy
>> it. Often you just have to hope and pray - and sometimes you might get
>> lucky.
>> 
>> A reader pointed me to this piece - a rebuttal of my article. Here�s
>> an excerpt:
>> 
>> Here we go again. Some fellow has gotten all whiny about being such a
>> big Linux fan, �� hardcore Linux user ��, but he just had to go
>> back to Microsoft to get things done. Why? Because he is tired of having
>> to tinker with Fedora Linux to make things work, or fail to work, with
>> cutting edge hardware � and 64-bit Flash on 64-bit Linux is sucky �
>> and Skype on Linux is sucky � and � and � and. It was all just so
>> painful and time consuming he could not take it any longer and went back
>> to the safe arms of Microsoft to escape the horror that is Linux. Good
>> grief. Okay, first and foremost, a true �hardcore Linux user�, in my
>> mind a fan of Linux, is unlikely to switch from Linux to anything else.
>> Oh yes, he or she will switch Linux distributions in a heartbeat, or
>> maybe three heartbeats, if a distribution fails to work as needed. But
>> switching to Microsoft and leaving the Linux desktop behind? Not likely,
>> my friends. I consider myself a true �hardcore Linux user� and I see
>> no voluntary switch from Linux in my future � ever.
>> 
>> This bit produced a sad smile on my face. Had to go back to Microsoft?
>> Absolutely not! Chose to use Windows 7 (for the time being)� If I was
>> to go back to something it should have been FreeBSD since it was the OS
>> I was using before Linux (and of course Windows before that indeed). I
>> actually switched quite reluctantly from FreeBSD to Linux for a simple
>> reason - Linux supported wider hardware variety and there were more
>> native apps for it.
>> 
>> All Unix-derived OSes are more or less the same from an user�s
>> perspective - mostly the same environment, the same applications. The
>> only thing that really makes the difference is the hardware support and
>> Linux is clearly far ahead of its competition.
>> 
>> Hardcore user? You bet! But hardcore doesn�t mean an �unreasonable
>> idiot, blinded by zealously�. It�s not always that someone�s
>> favorite technologies are the best solution to a problem. The section
>> �the shit I�ve endured� had a dual purpose - list a �few�
>> problems and show how resilient I am.
>> 
>> Distro hopping is something that mostly newbies do, because they fail to
>> grasp a fundamental thing in the land of Linux - 95% of the stuff that
>> comprises a distribution is generic stuff found in most other distros.
>> You cannot seriously expect that the same drivers in a different distro
>> will yield wildly different results� Sure, bugs do tend to occur, and
>> sometimes they are truly distribution specific. Sure, some distros
>> happen to patch the stuff they ship heavily, while others favor shipping
>> vanilla versions of both software ant the kernel. The process of driver
>> development
>> 
>> My former post placed a heavy emphasis on existing driver issues. While
>> I abhor some Linux drivers I�ve never ever blamed the authors of open
>> source drivers. Here�s why:
>> 
>> The year and a half I�ve spent writing Linux drivers for a proprietary
>> Austrian company was some of the hardest time in my professional career.
>> Writing drivers is fairly hard task for two reasons - you have to have
>> very intimate knowledge of the hardware at hand and you have to write
>> very safe code (and carefully test it), because otherwise you might
>> bring the whole kernel down. I was basically reading tech specs (most
>> boring read in the world) most of the day and writing very little code
>> in end. Debugging drivers is not a pleasant task either.
>> 
>> Linux certainly has some of the best developers in the world. I have
>> little doubt in that. The problem is that these same developers spent
>> their days working other jobs and you cannot seriously expect them to
>> have the time or the energy (not to mention the specs required) to
>> produce drivers that are on par with commercial counterparts developed
>> for OSX and Windows by big team with vast resources at their disposal.
>> 
>> This is the actual problem as I see it - we�re expecting individuals
>> to create good drivers for us out the kindness of their hearts in their
>> little spare time with little or no hardware specs on which to rely for
>> absolutely no money.
>> 
>> I�ve read the source code of many network layer drivers in the Linux
>> kernel and I�ve noticed a common trend - a lot of the drivers were
>> actually written by hardware engineers (instead of software engineers) -
>> they are filled with copy/paste segments from other drivers, lots of
>> useless/dubious/dangerous code. This doesn�t surprise me - few
>> software engineers have solid grasp of hardware and/or the will to take
>> part in driver development. This is a big problem with no easy solution.
>> 
>> The hardware vendors are the only party that deserves blame for the
>> sorry state of many drivers. I cannot believe how hard it is for a
>> company with the size of AMD to deliver a decent Linux driver for so
>> many years. Their driver is a monument of everything that is wrong with
>> hardware vendors as far as Linux is concerned - no support for latest
>> kernels/X, no support for current state-of-the-art Linux video
>> technologies, notorious instability and performance. Nvidia fare a lot
>> better but still - their driver lacks the support basic stuff such as
>> KMS�
>> 
>> So what can we do? Obviously not everyone can start writing better
>> drivers, but still everyone could try to help�
>> 
>> For most desktop hardware vendors Linux is a non-existing OS. Linux
>> truly has a small market share, but that is not the actual problem. The
>> actual problem is that Linux desktop user would rather wait for someone
>> from the community to come up with a solution instead of the pressure
>> the vendors into action. Fill their mailboxes with angry letters, write
>> blog posts about their inadequacy to properly support the third largest
>> desktop OS in the world. Companies love to make money and hate bad
>> press�
>> The desktop software stack
>> 
>> The Linux desktop stack has some great qualities - for instance it often
>> comes with batteries included. You have most of your day to day need
>> covered as soon as you install your distro - a decent browser, a good
>> email client, an office suit, disk burning utility, torrent downloader,
>> IM client, text editors, photo organizers, image editors, etc. When I
>> installed Windows 7 I was a bit surprised how bare the initial
>> installation is and how many third party apps I needed to install. And
>> of course most of the Linux desktop apps coming from the same
>> environment (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, etc) have a very uniform look and feel to
>> them which I personally value a lot.
>> 
>> Unfortunately not everything is great�
>> 
>> The Linux desktop application stack suffers from a few serious problems:
>> 
>>     * a few individuals make crucial decisions without taking any input
>> from the user community
>>     * many projects have only one principle developer that happens to do
>> things his way without regard for anyone else
>>     * often highly unstable beta quality software is pushed as stable to
>> the end users
>>     * a lot of prominent apps that are multi-platform seem to undergo
>> sub-par testing/QA process under Linux and experience common problems
>> like crashes and memory leaks that don�t manifest that often on other
>> platforms
>> 
>> In more details�
>> 
>> Is it really better for the users?
>> 
>> Often a new feature arrives that is marketed as a huge improvement for
>> the end-users. Most of the time the end-users are never inquired about
>> their opinion of the feature. PulseAudio is a great example. I was
>> pretty happy using ALSA directly, but nobody asked me what I thought
>> about the change. Initially it was fairly easy to disable pulse audio,
>> but as it became more and more integrated into the desktops the process
>> became harder (luckily pulse audio improved in the process). While I�m
>> perfectly aware of the technical reasoning that lead to pulse audio�s
>> creation I do find it rather useless. With only one major architecture
>> left (almost no one uses OSS on Linux these days) the introduction of
>> intermediate sound layer of dubious quality never made that much sense
>> to me. Sure, ALSA needed a simpler API, but we didn�t deserve to be
>> punished with pulse audio�
>> 
>> It�s my way or the highway
>> 
>> Most of you probably remember that Pidgin (formerly Gaim) used to be the
>> default IM client in GNOME based distros. At some point this quickly
>> changed and Empathy became the default client. Part of the reason for
>> the switch was the unwillingness of the lead developer in the Pidgin
>> project to collaborate with the GNOME developers. I still remember the
>> controversial fix that made the input area non-resizable with no option
>> to go back to the previous setting. I guess GNOME�s devs were really
>> pissed about something since they replaced the all around great Pidgin
>> with a vastly inferior and immensely buggy (at least for the first year
>> and a half) product.
>> 
>> Too much power of the hands of a single person with no overseer is
>> dangerous. In the open-source world one can easily fork a project, but
>> this is a dangerous path as well that is often likely to wreak havoc
>> into the development of the project.
>> 
>> Are we your users or your beta testers?
>> 
>> A few examples from recent years:
>> 
>> KDE 4.0
>> 
>> GNOME 3.0
>> 
>> Empathy
>> 
>> PulseAudio
>> 
>> NetworkManager
>> 
>> Beagle
>> 
>> The list could go on and on� Microsoft and Apple have certainly had
>> their fair share of mistakes (Win ME, Win Vista, OS X Leopard), but
>> nothing on a scale as epic as KDE 4.0 or GNOME 3.0�
>> 
>> Some users are more important then others it seems�
>> 
>> All those programs run on all major OS, but they perform worst on Linux:
>> 
>> Firefox
>> 
>> OpenOffice
>> 
>> Flash Player
>> 
>> Obviously writing great multi-platform apps is possible as illustrated
>> by software such as VLC and Google Chrome. But what about all the rest.
>> I feel that Firefox�s days as the dominant browser on the Linux
>> desktop are numbered - most of my friends that use Linux have already
>> switched to Chrome (or the open source Chromium). Firefox on Linux is
>> like a bad joke - slow, memory hungry and unstable. I keep hearing that
>> it runs a lot better on OSX and Windows, probably because it got a lot
>> more testing on those platforms. I understand their reasoning - most of
>> their clients use those two OSes so it makes sense to make them
>> important in the dev/testing phases. But they should remember something
>> - Firefox is (for now) the default browser only in most Linux distros
>> and it�s never going to be the default in Windows or OSX�
>> 
>> Same goes for OpenOffice to the letter.
>> 
>> And flash is well - flash. It�s not the greatest piece of software on
>> any platform, but it�s absolutely horrible in Linux. When I open a
>> flash intensive web site my CPU load generally spikes up to the sky
>> (thank God for AdBlock & FlashBlock).
>> 
>> Skype was not even mentioned here (until now obviously) since the Linux
>> version is so far behind the one for OSX and Windows that I wouldn�t
>> even consider it a port. It�s just some pile of crap compiled to be
>> able to list Linux as a supported OS on their website� They promised
>> improvements, they promised an open-source Linux client - two years
>> later we�re still using Skype 2.1 BETA. I wish more people had the
>> sense to use a service like Google Talk so I wouldn�t have to put up
>> with skype at all.
>> The community (communist) model
>> 
>> I live in a country from the former Soviet block (Bulgaria) and I�ve
>> seen first hand what Communism leads to. I�ve also seen first-hand why
>> Communism doesn�t actually work - few people actually live and abide
>> by it and the rest of society simply practices the fine art of
>> �getting by� and lives on their shoulders. The Communism can only
>> really work if everyone is pulling their own weight in it (which sounds
>> a bit absurd indeed).
>> 
>> Something similar is happening on the Linux desktop ship - everybody
>> says he�s on board, but very few people are actually rowing and
>> bringing the Linux desktop to it�s designated port.
>> 
>> I�ve written only two desktop project for Linux from scratch (an
>> English-Bulgarian dictionary utility and a GUI front-end for pacman on
>> Arch Linux), but I�ve contributed bug reports and patches to lots of
>> projects. No matter what your opinion about me is - I�ve done
>> something for the Linux desktop and I�m doing something for the
>> desktop now as well - writing this article�
>> 
>> What have you done? Sure, very few users are software engineers, but
>> that doesn�t mean they can�t help. Bug reports are just as important
>> as patches. Ideas and suggestions for improvements are highly valued as
>> well. Don�t sit in the shadows doing nothing - step into the light and
>> do something to help your favorite project get a little bit better.
>> 
>> Step by step. Fix by fix. Improvement by improvement. This is how good
>> software gets created.
>> 
>> The bottom line is - the more of us that pitch in the fight for a proper
>> Linux desktop experience, the bigger the chances of the dream becoming
>> reality become.
>> Future
>> 
>> Unless something radically changes in the near future I don�t see how
>> Linux can rise up to be a mainstream desktop OS. With very few companies
>> having any stakes in the Linux desktop that isn�t happening any time
>> soon. I find a somewhat troubling trend in recent years - a lot of
>> companies that worked for a better desktop experience are now gone.
>> Ximian (the company behind GNOME) was purchased by Novell and later
>> Novell crumbled, making the future of one of the most popular desktop
>> distributions OpenSUSE doubtful. Mandrake was once one of the most
>> powerful Linux companies and Mandrake Linux was widely used. Currently
>> Mandriva is constantly on the brink of bankruptcy. There are many other
>> examples - Xandros, VidaLinux, etc� Even the �mighty� Canonical
>> struggles to build a successful business model around their widely
>> successful Ubuntu OS.
>> 
>> Desktop Linux has to be made somehow profitable for companies to start
>> investing more heavily in it. This is the hard, but honest truth. As
>> long as the primarily development is carried out with little (or no
>> funding), mostly by volunteers the hour of the desktop Linux will never
>> come.
>> 
>> There is one more serious problem - diversity. There are two many
>> distributions bring too little value to the table. The time spent
>> repacking the same software for a hundred distros could be better
>> utilized developing new applications/drivers and improving existing
>> ones. We need to have at least a couple rock solid desktop
>> distros/environments, otherwise the whole diversity thing means
>> basically nothing.
>> 
>> Few good options are worth more than a million half-baked options!
>> Epilogue
>> 
>> This article (and the one before it) was never about jumping the ship,
>> claiming that Windows or OSX are better than Linux or spreading
>> �FUD� (if I totally hate a term this is the one). It was always
>> about raising the awareness of existing issues in the land of desktop
>> Linux. After all just a few days before I had written a post
>> installation guide for Fedora 15.
>> 
>> While I was writing the last paragraph I got another GNOME 3 shell
>> corruption (time for killall gnome-shell to take the stage) on my
>> totally supported hardware� A skype sound notification interrupted the
>> song I was listening to (thanks a lot, PulseAudio)� And yet I�m
>> still here. I did switch to Windows 7 on my laptop and I do intend to
>> use Window 7 at least for a while there. It�s not perfect either,
>> trust me about that. Poor terminal emulator (though great PowerShell), a
>> few random application crashes (but these happen in Linux as well in
>> recent years) just to name a few.
>> 
>> The Linux desktop is at the edge of a cliff now. It�s up to us to
>> decide whether we would save it or push it over the edge.

-- 
"Microsoft's biggest and most dangerous contribution to the software 
industry may be the degree to which it has lowered user expectations."
 Esther Schindler, OS/2 Magazine 
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wp2061 (3218)
6/19/2011 10:34:27 PM
flatfish+++ wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:05:29 +0100, 7 wrote:
> 
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Unlike the Linturds of COLA, this guy actually uses Linux and knows why
>>> it's having problems as a desktop alternative to Windows.
>>> 
>>> Read it and weep freetards!!!
>> 
>> 
>> It works for me!
> 
> Why should anyone believe a word you say 7 ?
> 
> You claim to have won the "European Inventor Of The Year" award yet the
> organization that makes the award has never heard of you.....
> 
> http://www.epo.org/news-issues/european-inventor.html
>  
>> The blog post doesn't have one single point to make as with
>> previous post.
>> 
>> Micoshaft/Appil numb skulls do this kind of
>> negative marketing thing recycling the same
>> old tired anti-Linux marketing drivel and again when they are losing.
> 
> Your Linux based spell checking program is defective.
> 
>  
>> Here is why:
>> 
>> 
>> How to attempt to create a bug with Ubuntu
>> ------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Step 1. Install Ubuntu on a random PC.
>>         http://www.ubuntu.com/
> 
> That will do it!
> 
> Install Ubuntu and you will have more bugs than a case of Raid can
> handle.


You are a lying appil funded POS.

Why don't you let the average user try it for themselves.
Too afraid?


It works for me!

Micoshaft/Appil numb skulls constantly doing this kind of
negative marketing thing recycling the same
old tired anti-Linux marketing drivel and again when they are losing.

Here is why:


How to attempt to create a bug with Ubuntu
------------------------------------------

Step 1. Install Ubuntu on a random PC.
        http://www.ubuntu.com/

Step 2. Remove the Ubuntu hard drive.

Step 3. Walk to a different PC with different motherboard, graphics card,
        network card, monitor, mouse, keyboard, bluetooth, wifi,
        chipset, printer, webcam and audio system.

Step 4. Connect PC direct to the internet without a firewall or router.
        Just to make life difficult, connect the PC to the dsl modem
        through the USB instead of the ethernet.

Step 5. Plug in Ubuntu hard drive.

Step 6. Press the power button and boot straight back into Linux.
        20 to 40 seconds to boot with modern PC and start browsing internet
        and finish downloading first google page.


So, OK I admit that wouldn't have generated a bug - it will all boot 
without incident. So next up is some deliberate vandalism and sabotage.

Lets yank out the internet cable and then run firefox.

<yank!>

Err... nope - no failure - firefox is still working!!!!

Doh!! 

Its still working if you live in London (or any major UK city)
and you have a wifi on your PC/netbook and you are signed
up for BT Openzone. They have 2.8 million wifi sites around
all the major cities and towns:

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=25812




Well flattie, do you realize you became a luzer as soon as you signed 
yourself for employment as an anti-Linux troll?



By any chance are you an employee of ntrepid corporation?
http://www.ntrepidcorp.com/

or perhaps an employee of Burson-Marsteller?
http://www.burson-marsteller.com/


The line managers who contracted you were sniggering to the bone
when they when they realized what kind of idiot you were
and how useful it would be to them.

They never had so much fun since hosting a tampon sharing party.



And tell me again:

Why do dishonest Amrikaaan companies like Appil and Micoshaft pay Amrikaans 
to troll and post ad-hominem personal attacks on the internet?

Has anyone in these companies got a degree in honesty?
If so prove it.

If not, are you expecting to ride on the back of good faith of the 
international community to not criticise amrikaas dumbest criminals posting
trolls and ad-hominen personal attacks funded by amrikkkaan companies
like micoshaft and appil? Are they above the law? I don't think so. Its 
time for prosecutors to move in and arrest a few of the criminals funding 
asstroturfers hiding behind dishonest corporations like appil and micoshaft
who sponsor ad hominem personal attacks and abuse in the internet
in blantant disregard for law.

A few wikileaks to open up scrutiny of the funding routes and who's who in 
the chain of command could be a starting point.

Stories like this
http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=173964
set a precedent which means every asstroturfer is due for a minimum
$400,000 fine.





Asstroturfer offerings
----------------------


I've just read the contents of the fbo.gov solicitation RTB220610

The US government wants asstroturfers and with it sophisticated
asstroturfing technology to drown out democratic free speech,
and then hide from those whom it seeks to victimize.

It was point no.3 that caught my eye:
0003- Static IP Address Management

What that means is the same as what I've been saying for a while about 
doofi, flatcake and clog are true.

They are not individuals but a whole asstroturfing team
behind each sock puppet.

There isn't enough memory between the sock operators to know
or remember what had been said earlier so you know the
conversations are being typed out by multiple individuals
impersonating each other.
It was notable gaffs by the goofy doofy sock that first gave it away.

The asstrotufing teams had already gone into government and offered them
consulting services about what technology and asstroturfing
practices were out there for fbo.gov to decide what they will
purchase in solicitation RTB220610.


:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D 



https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d88e9d660336be91552fe8c1a51bacb2&tab=core&_cview=1
 
Solicitation Number: RTB220610 
Notice Type: Sources Sought 
Synopsis: Added: 2010-06-22 13:42:52Jun 22, 2010 1:42 pm
Modified: 2010-06-22  14:07:11Jun 22, 2010 2:07 pmTrack Changes 

0001- Online Persona Management Service.

50 User Licenses, 10 Personas per user. Software will
allow 10 personas per user, replete with background,
history, supporting details, and cyber presences 
that are technically, culturally and geographacilly
consistent. Individual applications will enable an 
operator to exercise a number of different online 
persons from the same workstation and without fear
of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries.
Personas must be able to appear to originate in 
nearly any part of the world and can interact through
conventional online services and social media platforms.
The service includes a user friendly application 
environment to maximize the user's situational
awareness by displaying real-time local information. 

 
0002- Secure Virtual Private Network (VPN).

1 each VPN provides the ability for users to 
daily and automatically obtain 
randomly selected IP addresses through 
which they can access the internet. The daily 
rotation of the user s IP address prevents compromise 
during observation of likely or targeted web sites 
or services, while hiding the existence of the
operation. In addition, may provide traffic mixing, 
blending the user s traffic with traffic from multitudes
of users from outside the organization. This traffic 
blending provides excellent cover and powerful deniability.
Anonymizer Enterprise Chameleon or equal

 
0003- Static IP Address Management.


:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D 


50 each Licence protects the identity of government 
agencies and enterprise organizations. Enables organizations
to manage their persistent online personas by assigning
static IP addresses to each persona. Individuals
can perform static impersonations, which allow
them to look like the same person over time. Also allows
organizations that frequent same site/service often to
easily switch IP addresses to look like ordinary
users as opposed to one organization.
Anonymizer IP Mapper License or equal

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D 

 
0004- Virtual Private Servers,

CONUS. 1 each Provides CONUS or OCONUS points of 
presence locations that are setup for each customer 
based on the geographic area of operations the 
customer is operating within and which allow a 
customer?s online persona(s) to appear to originate
from. Ability to provide virtual private servers that 
are procured using commercial hosting centers around 
the world and which are established anonymously. Once 
procured, the geosite is incorporated into the network 
and integrated within the customers environment and 
ready for use by the customer. Unless specifically 
designated as shared, locations are dedicated for use 
by each customer and never shared among other customers. 
Anonymizer Annual Dedicated CONUS Light Geosite or equal

 
0005- Virtual Private Servers, OCONUS.

8 Each Provides CONUS or OCONUS points of presence 
locations that are setup for each customer based on 
the geographic area of operations the customer is
operating within and which allow a customer?s 
online persona(s) to appear toWas it related to drug abuse?

originate from. Ability to provide virtual private 
servers that are procured using commercial hosting 
centers around the world and which are established 
anonymously. Once procured, the geosite is incorporated 
into the network and integrated within the customers 
environment and ready for use by the customer. Unless 
specifically designated as shared, locations are dedicated 
for use by each customer and never shared among other 
customers. Anonymizer Annual Dedicated OCONUS Light ell troll, i
Geosite or equal

 
0006- Remote Access Secure Virtual Private Network.

1 each Secure Operating Environment provides a reliable 
and protected computing environment from which to stage 
and conduct operations. Every session uses a clean 
Virtual Machine (VM) image. The solution is accessed 
through sets of Virtual Private Network (VPN) devices 
located at each Customer facility. The fully-managed 
VDI (Virtual Desktop Infrastructure) is an environment 
that allows users remote access from their desktop into 
a VM. Upon session termination, the VM is deleted and 
any virus, worm, or malicious software that the user 
inadvertently downloaded is destroyed. Anonymizer 
Virtual Desktop  Infrastructure (VDI) Solution or equal.


Contracting Office Address: 
 2606 Brown Pelican Ave.
 MacDill AFB, Florida 33621-5000 
 United States 
 Lets start this troll interrogation again:
Place of Performance: 
 Performance will be at MacDIll AFB, Kabul, Afghanistan and Baghdad, Iraq.
 MacDill AFB , Florida 33679 
 United States 
 
Primary Point of Contact.: 
 Russell Beasley,
 Contracting Officer
 russell.beasley-02@macdill.af.mil
 Phone: (813) 828-4729
 Fax: (813) 828-5111



0
6/19/2011 10:49:32 PM
flatfish+++ wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:05:29 +0100, 7 wrote:
> 
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Unlike the Linturds of COLA, this guy actually uses Linux and knows why
>>> it's having problems as a desktop alternative to Windows.
>>> 
>>> Read it and weep freetards!!!
>> 
>> 
>> It works for me!
> 
> Why should anyone believe a word you say 7 ?
> 
> You claim to have won the "European Inventor Of The Year" award yet the
> organization that makes the award has never heard of you.....
> 
> http://www.epo.org/news-issues/european-inventor.html
>  
>> The blog post doesn't have one single point to make as with
>> previous post.
>> 
>> Micoshaft/Appil numb skulls do this kind of
>> negative marketing thing recycling the same
>> old tired anti-Linux marketing drivel and again when they are losing.
> 
> Your Linux based spell checking program is defective.
> 
>  
>> Here is why:
>> 
>> 
>> How to attempt to create a bug with Ubuntu
>> ------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Step 1. Install Ubuntu on a random PC.
>>         http://www.ubuntu.com/
> 
> That will do it!
> 
> Install Ubuntu and you will have more bugs than a case of Raid can
> handle.


You are a lying appil funded POS.

Why don't you let the average user try it for themselves.
Too afraid?


It works for me!

Micoshaft/Appil numb skulls constantly doing this kind of
negative marketing thing recycling the same
old tired anti-Linux marketing drivel and again when they are losing.

Here is why:


How to attempt to create a bug with Ubuntu
------------------------------------------

Step 1. Install Ubuntu on a random PC.
        http://www.ubuntu.com/

Step 2. Remove the Ubuntu hard drive.

Step 3. Walk to a different PC with different motherboard, graphics card,
        network card, monitor, mouse, keyboard, bluetooth, wifi,
        chipset, printer, webcam and audio system.

Step 4. Connect PC direct to the internet without a firewall or router.
        Just to make life difficult, connect the PC to the dsl modem
        through the USB instead of the ethernet.

Step 5. Plug in Ubuntu hard drive.

Step 6. Press the power button and boot straight back into Linux.
        20 to 40 seconds to boot with modern PC and start browsing internet
        and finish downloading first google page.


So, OK I admit that wouldn't have generated a bug - it will all boot 
without incident. So next up is some deliberate vandalism and sabotage.

Lets yank out the internet cable and then run firefox.

<yank!>

Err... nope - no failure - firefox is still working!!!!

Doh!! 

Its still working if you live in London (or any major UK city)
and you have a wifi on your PC/netbook and you are signed
up for BT Openzone. They have 2.8 million wifi sites around
all the major cities and towns:

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=25812




Well flattie, do you realize you became a luzer as soon as you signed 
yourself for employment as an anti-Linux troll?



By any chance are you an employee of ntrepid corporation?
http://www.ntrepidcorp.com/

or perhaps an employee of Burson-Marsteller?
http://www.burson-marsteller.com/


The line managers who contracted you were sniggering to the bone
when they when they realized what kind of idiot you were
and how useful it would be to them.

They never had so much fun since hosting a tampon sharing party.



And tell me again:

Why do dishonest Amrikaaan companies like Appil and Micoshaft pay Amrikaans 
to troll and post ad-hominem personal attacks on the internet?

Has anyone in these companies got a degree in honesty?
If so prove it.

If not, are you expecting to ride on the back of good faith of the 
international community to not criticise amrikaas dumbest criminals posting
trolls and ad-hominen personal attacks funded by amrikkkaan companies
like micoshaft and appil? Are they above the law? I don't think so. Its 
time for prosecutors to move in and arrest a few of the criminals funding 
asstroturfers hiding behind dishonest corporations like appil and micoshaft
who sponsor ad hominem personal attacks and abuse in the internet
in blantant disregard for law.

A few wikileaks to open up scrutiny of the funding routes and who's who in 
the chain of command could be a starting point.

Stories like this
http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=173964
set a precedent which means every asstroturfer is due for a minimum
$400,000 fine.





Asstroturfer offerings
----------------------


I've just read the contents of the fbo.gov solicitation RTB220610

The US government wants asstroturfers and with it sophisticated
asstroturfing technology to drown out democratic free speech,
and then hide from those whom it seeks to victimize.

It was point no.3 that caught my eye:
0003- Static IP Address Management

What that means is the same as what I've been saying for a while about 
doofi, flatcake and clog are true.

They are not individuals but a whole asstroturfing team
behind each sock puppet.

There isn't enough memory between the sock operators to know
or remember what had been said earlier so you know the
conversations are being typed out by multiple individuals
impersonating each other.
It was notable gaffs by the goofy doofy sock that first gave it away.

The asstrotufing teams had already gone into government and offered them
consulting services about what technology and asstroturfing
practices were out there for fbo.gov to decide what they will
purchase in solicitation RTB220610.


:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D 



https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d88e9d660336be91552fe8c1a51bacb2&tab=core&_cview=1
 
Solicitation Number: RTB220610 
Notice Type: Sources Sought 
Synopsis: Added: 2010-06-22 13:42:52Jun 22, 2010 1:42 pm
Modified: 2010-06-22  14:07:11Jun 22, 2010 2:07 pmTrack Changes 

0001- Online Persona Management Service.

50 User Licenses, 10 Personas per user. Software will
allow 10 personas per user, replete with background,
history, supporting details, and cyber presences 
that are technically, culturally and geographacilly
consistent. Individual applications will enable an 
operator to exercise a number of different online 
persons from the same workstation and without fear
of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries.
Personas must be able to appear to originate in 
nearly any part of the world and can interact through
conventional online services and social media platforms.
The service includes a user friendly application 
environment to maximize the user's situational
awareness by displaying real-time local information. 

 
0002- Secure Virtual Private Network (VPN).

1 each VPN provides the ability for users to 
daily and automatically obtain 
randomly selected IP addresses through 
which they can access the internet. The daily 
rotation of the user s IP address prevents compromise 
during observation of likely or targeted web sites 
or services, while hiding the existence of the
operation. In addition, may provide traffic mixing, 
blending the user s traffic with traffic from multitudes
of users from outside the organization. This traffic 
blending provides excellent cover and powerful deniability.
Anonymizer Enterprise Chameleon or equal

 
0003- Static IP Address Management.


:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D 


50 each Licence protects the identity of government 
agencies and enterprise organizations. Enables organizations
to manage their persistent online personas by assigning
static IP addresses to each persona. Individuals
can perform static impersonations, which allow
them to look like the same person over time. Also allows
organizations that frequent same site/service often to
easily switch IP addresses to look like ordinary
users as opposed to one organization.
Anonymizer IP Mapper License or equal

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D 

 
0004- Virtual Private Servers,

CONUS. 1 each Provides CONUS or OCONUS points of 
presence locations that are setup for each customer 
based on the geographic area of operations the 
customer is operating within and which allow a 
customer?s online persona(s) to appear to originate
from. Ability to provide virtual private servers that 
are procured using commercial hosting centers around 
the world and which are established anonymously. Once 
procured, the geosite is incorporated into the network 
and integrated within the customers environment and 
ready for use by the customer. Unless specifically 
designated as shared, locations are dedicated for use 
by each customer and never shared among other customers. 
Anonymizer Annual Dedicated CONUS Light Geosite or equal

 
0005- Virtual Private Servers, OCONUS.

8 Each Provides CONUS or OCONUS points of presence 
locations that are setup for each customer based on 
the geographic area of operations the customer is
operating within and which allow a customer?s 
online persona(s) to appear toWas it related to drug abuse?

originate from. Ability to provide virtual private 
servers that are procured using commercial hosting 
centers around the world and which are established 
anonymously. Once procured, the geosite is incorporated 
into the network and integrated within the customers 
environment and ready for use by the customer. Unless 
specifically designated as shared, locations are dedicated 
for use by each customer and never shared among other 
customers. Anonymizer Annual Dedicated OCONUS Light ell troll, i
Geosite or equal

 
0006- Remote Access Secure Virtual Private Network.

1 each Secure Operating Environment provides a reliable 
and protected computing environment from which to stage 
and conduct operations. Every session uses a clean 
Virtual Machine (VM) image. The solution is accessed 
through sets of Virtual Private Network (VPN) devices 
located at each Customer facility. The fully-managed 
VDI (Virtual Desktop Infrastructure) is an environment 
that allows users remote access from their desktop into 
a VM. Upon session termination, the VM is deleted and 
any virus, worm, or malicious software that the user 
inadvertently downloaded is destroyed. Anonymizer 
Virtual Desktop  Infrastructure (VDI) Solution or equal.


Contracting Office Address: 
 2606 Brown Pelican Ave.
 MacDill AFB, Florida 33621-5000 
 United States 
 Lets start this troll interrogation again:
Place of Performance: 
 Performance will be at MacDIll AFB, Kabul, Afghanistan and Baghdad, Iraq.
 MacDill AFB , Florida 33679 
 United States 
 
Primary Point of Contact.: 
 Russell Beasley,
 Contracting Officer
 russell.beasley-02@macdill.af.mil
 Phone: (813) 828-4729
 Fax: (813) 828-5111



0
6/19/2011 10:49:32 PM
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:49:32 +0100, 7 wrote:


>> Why should anyone believe a word you say 7 ?
>> 
>> You claim to have won the "European Inventor Of The Year" award yet the
>> organization that makes the award has never heard of you.....
>> 
>> http://www.epo.org/news-issues/european-inventor.html
>>  
>>> The blog post doesn't have one single point to make as with
>>> previous post.
>>> 
>>> Micoshaft/Appil numb skulls do this kind of
>>> negative marketing thing recycling the same
>>> old tired anti-Linux marketing drivel and again when they are losing.
>> 
>> Your Linux based spell checking program is defective.
>> 
>>  
>>> Here is why:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How to attempt to create a bug with Ubuntu
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Step 1. Install Ubuntu on a random PC.
>>>         http://www.ubuntu.com/
>> 
>> That will do it!
>> 
>> Install Ubuntu and you will have more bugs than a case of Raid can
>> handle.
> 
> 
> You are a lying appil funded POS.

I'm not the liar.
You're the one who claims to have won an award you never won.
Your Linux spell checking program is defective BTW

And why do you keep adding groups to the Xpost?

And lastly, where is net nanny Chris asking you how many times you have
re-posted the same message?

Hmmmmmm?

 
> Why don't you let the average user try it for themselves.
> Too afraid?

Linux has been free for 20 years.
It still has about 1 percent of the desktop market.

People are horrified when they try desktop Linux and dump it as soon as
they can.


 

-- 
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/
 
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta 
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html 

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
0
flatfish (4841)
6/19/2011 11:31:59 PM
Crossposting to normal Linux newsgroup snipped.

flatfish+++ wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

>

*yawn*

Get a life, Flounder.

-- 
Cohen's Law:
	There is no bottom to worse.
0
ahlstromc8504 (8208)
6/20/2011 12:24:13 AM
On 2011-06-20, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> wrote:
> Crossposting to normal Linux newsgroup snipped.
>
> flatfish+++ wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>
>
> *yawn*
>
> Get a life, Flounder.
>

I've got crossposts automatically filtered with the slrn:

Newsgroups: .*,

I don't bother with the trolling antics of this sick individual. It
attempts to spread its sickness and bile widely.

-- 
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
0
ZekeGregory (6440)
6/20/2011 1:07:06 AM
On 20 Jun 2011 01:07:06 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:

> On 2011-06-20, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>> Crossposting to normal Linux newsgroup snipped.
>>
>> flatfish+++ wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>>
>>
>> *yawn*
>>
>> Get a life, Flounder.
>>
> 
> I've got crossposts automatically filtered with the slrn:
> 
> Newsgroups: .*,
> 
> I don't bother with the trolling antics of this sick individual. It
> attempts to spread its sickness and bile widely.

Interesting you don't say a word about 7 adding xposts to the messages
he replies to.........

Hypocrite.

-- 
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/
 
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta 
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html 

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
0
flatfish (4841)
6/20/2011 2:05:15 AM
On 2011-06-20, flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
> On 20 Jun 2011 01:07:06 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>> On 2011-06-20, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>>> Crossposting to normal Linux newsgroup snipped.
>>>
>>> flatfish+++ wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> *yawn*
>>>
>>> Get a life, Flounder.
>>>
>> 
>> I've got crossposts automatically filtered with the slrn:
>> 
>> Newsgroups: .*,
>> 
>> I don't bother with the trolling antics of this sick individual. It
>> attempts to spread its sickness and bile widely.
>
> Interesting you don't say a word about 7 adding xposts to the messages
> he replies to.........

I didn't know that the President of COLA added crossposts to messages.
Perhaps, if there actually WERE any 7 crossposts, there was good reason
to do so, rather than to just to pollute other newsgroups with sickness
and filth and lies, as YOU do.

> Hypocrite.

You need to really get some psychiatric assistance. Spending all your
waking hours posting here is not healthy for you. All you do is abuse
others.

-- 
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
0
ZekeGregory (6440)
6/20/2011 4:03:33 AM
On Jun 20, 12:56=A0am, flatfish+++ <flatf...@marianatrench.com> wrote:

>
> I live in a country from the former Soviet block (Bulgaria) and I=92ve
> seen first hand what Communism leads to. I=92ve also seen first-hand why
> Communism doesn=92t actually work - few people actually live and abide by
> it and the rest of society simply practices the fine art of =93getting by=
=94
> and lives on their shoulders. The Communism can only really work if
> everyone is pulling their own weight in it (which sounds a bit absurd
> indeed).
>
> Something similar is happening on the Linux desktop ship - everybody
> says he=92s on board, but very few people are actually rowing and bringin=
g
> the Linux desktop to it=92s designated port.
>

True, true.  Linux is doomed, for the same reason Marxism is doomed.
Too many chiefs, not enough indians.  But not even chiefs, more like
freeloaders.

RL
0
raylopez88 (1520)
6/20/2011 8:58:14 AM
In reply to Gregory Shearman who posted:

> On 2011-06-20, flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
>> On 20 Jun 2011 01:07:06 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>>> On 2011-06-20, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>>>> Crossposting to normal Linux newsgroup snipped.
>>>>
>>>> flatfish+++ wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *yawn*
>>>>
>>>> Get a life, Flounder.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> I've got crossposts automatically filtered with the slrn:
>>> 
>>> Newsgroups: .*,
>>> 
>>> I don't bother with the trolling antics of this sick individual. It
>>> attempts to spread its sickness and bile widely.
>>
>> Interesting you don't say a word about 7 adding xposts to the messages
>> he replies to.........
>
> I didn't know that the President of COLA added crossposts to messages.
> Perhaps, if there actually WERE any 7 crossposts, there was good reason
> to do so, rather than to just to pollute other newsgroups with sickness
> and filth and lies, as YOU do.
>
>> Hypocrite.
>
> You need to really get some psychiatric assistance. Spending all your
> waking hours posting here is not healthy for you. All you do is abuse
> others.

Flatfish's multiple personality & nymshifting, exhibits 
signs of psychosis and sociopathy. There's nothing to be 
gained from communicating with him. He's only 
interested in newsgroup disruption, & spreading
FUD in whatever form he can. 
Advice: KF the moron.

-- 
Earth is 98% full...please delete anyone you can.
"Microsoft has vast resources, literally billions of dollars in cash, or liquid assets reserves. 
Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods." 
-- Former White House adviser Richard A. Clarke --
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wp2061 (3218)
6/20/2011 10:22:47 AM
Gregory Shearman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2011-06-20, flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting you don't say a word about 7 adding xposts to the messages
>> he replies to.........
>
> I didn't know that the President of COLA added crossposts to messages.
> Perhaps, if there actually WERE any 7 crossposts, there was good reason
> to do so, rather than to just to pollute other newsgroups with sickness
> and filth and lies, as YOU do.
>
>> Hypocrite.
>
> You need to really get some psychiatric assistance. Spending all your
> waking hours posting here is not healthy for you. All you do is abuse
> others.

And at such a childish level.  Amazing.

-- 
The first requisite for immortality is death.
		-- Stanislaw Lem
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ahlstromc8504 (8208)
6/20/2011 10:23:04 AM
Gregory Shearman wrote:

> I didn't know that the President of COLA added crossposts to messages.

The trolls will be yelling about impeachment now. ;-)
-- 
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[tv]
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sitting (4577)
6/20/2011 11:18:54 AM
On Jun 19, 6:49=A0pm, 7
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> flatfish+++ wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:05:29 +0100, 7 wrote:
>

WTF was that all about? If all you want is Web and e-mail Linux might
work. Much past that and you are screwed.
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tom_elam (3218)
6/20/2011 11:25:49 AM
On 20 Jun 2011 04:03:33 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:

> On 2011-06-20, flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
>> On 20 Jun 2011 01:07:06 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>>> On 2011-06-20, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>>>> Crossposting to normal Linux newsgroup snipped.
>>>>
>>>> flatfish+++ wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *yawn*
>>>>
>>>> Get a life, Flounder.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> I've got crossposts automatically filtered with the slrn:
>>> 
>>> Newsgroups: .*,
>>> 
>>> I don't bother with the trolling antics of this sick individual. It
>>> attempts to spread its sickness and bile widely.
>>
>> Interesting you don't say a word about 7 adding xposts to the messages
>> he replies to.........
> 
> I didn't know that the President of COLA added crossposts to messages.
> Perhaps, if there actually WERE any 7 crossposts, there was good reason
> to do so, rather than to just to pollute other newsgroups with sickness
> and filth and lies, as YOU do.
> 
>> Hypocrite.
> 
> You need to really get some psychiatric assistance. Spending all your
> waking hours posting here is not healthy for you. All you do is abuse
> others.

Xposting to 24hr.support.* groups for example?

It's been mentioned before and you guys ignore it.

-- 
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/
 
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta 
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html 

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
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flatfish (4841)
6/20/2011 1:06:30 PM
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 07:18:54 -0400, Tattoo Vampire wrote:

> Gregory Shearman wrote:
> 
>> I didn't know that the President of COLA added crossposts to messages.
> 
> The trolls will be yelling about impeachment now. ;-)

Incarceration is a better option.
He's a fraud.

And you know it.

Pretty sad how you Linturds support someone like 7 by making lame
excuses for his somewhat odd and fraudulent behavior.

-- 
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/
 
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta 
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html 

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
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flatfish (4841)
6/20/2011 1:07:37 PM
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 01:58:14 -0700 (PDT), RayLopez99 wrote:

> On Jun 20, 12:56�am, flatfish+++ <flatf...@marianatrench.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>> I live in a country from the former Soviet block (Bulgaria) and I�ve
>> seen first hand what Communism leads to. I�ve also seen first-hand why
>> Communism doesn�t actually work - few people actually live and abide by
>> it and the rest of society simply practices the fine art of �getting by�
>> and lives on their shoulders. The Communism can only really work if
>> everyone is pulling their own weight in it (which sounds a bit absurd
>> indeed).
>>
>> Something similar is happening on the Linux desktop ship - everybody
>> says he�s on board, but very few people are actually rowing and bringing
>> the Linux desktop to it�s designated port.
>>
> 
> True, true.  Linux is doomed, for the same reason Marxism is doomed.
> Too many chiefs, not enough indians.  But not even chiefs, more like
> freeloaders.
> 
> RL

Well stated.....

Having all thos freetards attached to the free Linux boat is sinking it
faster than the Titanic.


-- 
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/
 
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta 
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html 

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
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flatfish (4841)
6/20/2011 1:08:50 PM
"Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> schreef in bericht 
news:kf2wq9nm6ov.dlg@sitting.at.this.computer...
> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>> I didn't know that the President of COLA added crossposts to messages.
>
> The trolls will be yelling about impeachment now. ;-)

No, cos some lard ass redneck turtle waxer from West Virginia might step 
into the arisen vacancy! :-p 

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clogwog (1758)
6/20/2011 1:11:45 PM
"flatfish+++" <flatfish@marianatrench.com> schreef in bericht 
news:1ldwq1931ylr1.eh87sr7f5o9m.dlg@40tude.net...
> On 20 Jun 2011 04:03:33 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>> On 2011-06-20, flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
>>> On 20 Jun 2011 01:07:06 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2011-06-20, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>>>>> Crossposting to normal Linux newsgroup snipped.
>>>>>
>>>>> flatfish+++ wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *yawn*
>>>>>
>>>>> Get a life, Flounder.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've got crossposts automatically filtered with the slrn:
>>>>
>>>> Newsgroups: .*,
>>>>
>>>> I don't bother with the trolling antics of this sick individual. It
>>>> attempts to spread its sickness and bile widely.
>>>
>>> Interesting you don't say a word about 7 adding xposts to the messages
>>> he replies to.........
>>
>> I didn't know that the President of COLA added crossposts to messages.
>> Perhaps, if there actually WERE any 7 crossposts, there was good reason
>> to do so, rather than to just to pollute other newsgroups with sickness
>> and filth and lies, as YOU do.
>>
>>> Hypocrite.
>>
>> You need to really get some psychiatric assistance. Spending all your
>> waking hours posting here is not healthy for you. All you do is abuse
>> others.
>
> Xposting to 24hr.support.* groups for example?
>
> It's been mentioned before and you guys ignore it.
>
Well 24hr.support.idiots.desk might be the best place for him to post, right 
next to il_weirdo/Weirdo_Boy & Bullshitter ;-) 

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clogwog (1758)
6/20/2011 1:26:35 PM
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:26:35 +0200, Clogwog wrote:

> "flatfish+++" <flatfish@marianatrench.com> schreef in bericht 
> news:1ldwq1931ylr1.eh87sr7f5o9m.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On 20 Jun 2011 04:03:33 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>>> On 2011-06-20, flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
>>>> On 20 Jun 2011 01:07:06 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2011-06-20, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Crossposting to normal Linux newsgroup snipped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> flatfish+++ wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *yawn*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get a life, Flounder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got crossposts automatically filtered with the slrn:
>>>>>
>>>>> Newsgroups: .*,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't bother with the trolling antics of this sick individual. It
>>>>> attempts to spread its sickness and bile widely.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting you don't say a word about 7 adding xposts to the messages
>>>> he replies to.........
>>>
>>> I didn't know that the President of COLA added crossposts to messages.
>>> Perhaps, if there actually WERE any 7 crossposts, there was good reason
>>> to do so, rather than to just to pollute other newsgroups with sickness
>>> and filth and lies, as YOU do.
>>>
>>>> Hypocrite.
>>>
>>> You need to really get some psychiatric assistance. Spending all your
>>> waking hours posting here is not healthy for you. All you do is abuse
>>> others.
>>
>> Xposting to 24hr.support.* groups for example?
>>
>> It's been mentioned before and you guys ignore it.
>>
> Well 24hr.support.idiots.desk might be the best place for him to post, right 
> next to il_weirdo/Weirdo_Boy & Bullshitter ;-)

Haha!
He belongs in a cage.

-- 
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/
 
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta 
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html 

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
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flatfish (4841)
6/20/2011 1:42:48 PM
Am Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:31:59 -0400 schrieb flatfish+++:

> And lastly, where is net nanny Chris asking you how many times you have
> re-posted the same message?
> 
> Hmmmmmm?

Here I am. He answered to your post where you said:

>>> You claim to have won the "European Inventor Of The Year" award yet
>>> the organization that makes the award has never heard of you.....

How many times have you said something like that?

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:groups.google.com+%22European+Inventor
+Of+The+Year%22+%22flatfish%22

450 results.

Nothing not already repostet hundreds of times.

You then said:

>>> Your Linux based spell checking program is defective.

I have read that from you countless times also.

The last thing you said was:

>>> Install Ubuntu and you will have more bugs than a case of Raid can
>>> handle.

I think you are broken. You repeat and repeat and repeat.

You may have noticed that I have especially challenged you and your 
behaviour and the best you can do is to excuse it with 7 being as bad as 
you? That's really weak.

Yes, 7's post was kind of nonsensical but what do you expect with 
starting a thread with

> Unlike the Linturds of COLA, [...]

You have not answered my question yet: Why are you here? I see you almost 
exclusively insulting "Linux/FOSS" or the people here.
But why?

But we can speak about your claims if you like:

> this guy actually uses Linux 

I don't feel like a "Linturd of COLA" but you didn't provide much 
information here so I assume you speak to everybody here. Do you want to 
imply I don't use Linux and on what basis do you do so?

> and knows why
> it's having problems as a desktop alternative to Windows.

Still mainly because AMD, NVidia, Creative, Adobe etc. release 
substandard software for Linux (with nvidia probably still being one of 
the best). Somehow you have never talked much about the fact that the 
software in question is all proprietary/comercial.

This second article is much better than the first one actually because he 
acknowledges that much clearer in response to the criticism.


But still he has some dubious paragraphs like

"I cannot believe how hard it is for a
company with the size of AMD to deliver a decent Linux driver for so
many years. Their driver is a monument of everything that is wrong with
hardware vendors as far as Linux is concerned - no support for latest
kernels/X [...]"

While I fully agree on the first part I have problems with his last. I 
have used catalyst with kernel 3.0-rc3 without a problem. There is no 
newer kernel. I also use xorg-server 1.10.2 and I think there is no newer 
stable release either. He probably hasn't used catalyst for a long time.

The "notorious instability and performance" has gotten much, much better 
also. fglrx produces an occassional ASIC hang on waking up from suspend 
and it has segfaultet my X server when disconnecting a screen once but 
that has gotten so rare that it is very usable now. Performance is 
getting better and is today on a good level too.



> People are horrified when they try desktop Linux and dump it as soon as
> they can.

By the way, you haven't written about the progress of the pcpro author 
who tests ubuntu for 30 days at the moment. Do you still think your 
prediction will come true?
I have read it a little bit and he has some minor problems for example 
with his nvidia card (I honestly don't understand why nouveau is the 
default on any distribution. It's still highly experimental on most 
cards), i.e. that nvidia still didn't manage to implement the xrandr 
freedesktop.org standard but all in all it seems to go fairly well. I 
personally don't think his conclusion will be as disasterous. Do you?
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chrisdhaag (716)
6/20/2011 6:52:56 PM
On 06/19/2011 05:56 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> 
> Unlike the Linturds of COLA, this guy actually uses Linux and knows why
> it's having problems as a desktop alternative to Windows.
> 

Well, *I'm* convinced. It's obviously time to drop the whole thing and
get on with my life.

No, no, no - not Linux. You couldn't get me to give up Linux if you gave
me free copies of Windows for the rest of my life. (Yeah, right. Like
*that* would ever happen...)

No, I'm dropping alt.os.linux. If I wanted to read this kind of
bovine-produced soil adjuvant I would have subscribed to an advocacy group.

TJ
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TJ70 (53)
6/21/2011 1:47:02 AM
TJ wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 06/19/2011 05:56 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>> 
>>  <troll stuff snipped>
>
> Well, *I'm* convinced. It's obviously time to drop the whole thing and
> get on with my life.
>
> No, no, no - not Linux. You couldn't get me to give up Linux if you gave
> me free copies of Windows for the rest of my life. (Yeah, right. Like
> *that* would ever happen...)
>
> No, I'm dropping alt.os.linux. If I wanted to read this kind of
> bovine-produced soil adjuvant I would have subscribed to an advocacy group.

That's exactly what this trolls want, Teej.  He wants to soil
as many Linux-related venues as he can, and repel people from them.
He's totally obsessed about it; a most repellent soul.

Plonk by name or by cross-posts.

-- 
Paranoid Club meeting this Friday.  Now ... just try to find out where!
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ahlstromc8504 (8208)
6/21/2011 1:52:27 AM
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> TJ wrote:
>
>> On 06/19/2011 05:56 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>> 
>>>  <troll stuff snipped>
>>
>> Well, *I'm* convinced. It's obviously time to drop the whole thing and
>> get on with my life.
>>
>> No, no, no - not Linux. You couldn't get me to give up Linux if you gave
>> me free copies of Windows for the rest of my life. (Yeah, right. Like
>> *that* would ever happen...)
>>
>> No, I'm dropping alt.os.linux. If I wanted to read this kind of
>> bovine-produced soil adjuvant I would have subscribed to an advocacy group.

"Victory", thinks the shit-brained, lying asshole that calls itself
"flatfish".

(Sadly, I'd bet the troll even enjoys the attention I'm giving it,
here.)

>That's exactly what this trolls want, Teej.  He wants to soil
>as many Linux-related venues as he can, and repel people from them.
>He's totally obsessed about it; a most repellent soul.
>
>Plonk by name or by cross-posts.

Indeed.  It's difficult to believe that anyone wandering USENET these
days would not know how to plonk.

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chrisv (22840)
6/21/2011 12:33:52 PM
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:47:02 -0400, TJ wrote:

> On 06/19/2011 05:56 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>> 
>> Unlike the Linturds of COLA, this guy actually uses Linux and knows why
>> it's having problems as a desktop alternative to Windows.
>> 
> 
> Well, *I'm* convinced. It's obviously time to drop the whole thing and
> get on with my life.

Yea, the truth is sometimes painful.
Hey there are still some people using OS/2 and Commodore 64's.

Desktop Linux should fit right in!


-- 
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/
 
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta 
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html 

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
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flatfish (4841)
6/21/2011 12:44:24 PM
stupid fscking turd "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:gl3107l4eofv4v3prqg2opu4dm211ncmkk@4ax.com...
>
> "Victory", thinks the shit-brained, lying asshole that calls itself
> "flatfish".
>
> (Sadly, I'd bet the troll even enjoys the attention I'm giving it,
> here.)
>


shut the fsck up you mentally ill piece of shit.



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whales (15)
6/21/2011 2:24:31 PM
chrisv wrote:

>It's difficult to believe that anyone wandering USENET these
>days would not know how to plonk.

Cue for lying trolls to claim that I'm a "hypocrite" because I
advocate plonking lying assholes, but have personally not plonked
*every* lying asshole in here.

As if every lying asshole is the same, and equally plonk-worthy, in
every advocate's opinion.

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chrisv (22840)
6/21/2011 3:28:04 PM
mentally ill piece of shit "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:rrd107p9e2656ufrmt75ba2au7p7j65co4@4ax.com...
> chrisv wrote:
>
>>It's difficult to believe that anyone wandering USENET these
>>days would not know how to plonk.
>
> Cue for lying trolls to claim that I'm a "hypocrite" because I
> advocate plonking lying assholes, but have personally not plonked
> *every* lying asshole in here.
>
> As if every lying asshole is the same, and equally plonk-worthy, in
> every advocate's opinion.
>

another fine "advocacy" post from stupid asshole.

shut the fsck up you mentally ill piece of shit hypocrite.

"chrisv" is a liar. "chrisv" is a mentally ill piece of shit.


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whales (15)
6/21/2011 4:05:30 PM
On 06/21/2011 08:44 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:47:02 -0400, TJ wrote:
>
>> On 06/19/2011 05:56 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>
>>> Unlike the Linturds of COLA, this guy actually uses Linux and knows why
>>> it's having problems as a desktop alternative to Windows.
>>>
>>
>> Well, *I'm* convinced. It's obviously time to drop the whole thing and
>> get on with my life.
>
> Yea, the truth is sometimes painful.
> Hey there are still some people using OS/2 and Commodore 64's.
>
> Desktop Linux should fit right in!
>
>
How would you know about the truth? You use it so infrequently. You 
quoted only part of the post, the part that didn't convey the poster's 
intent. He also said,

> You couldn't get me to give up Linux if you gave
> me free copies of Windows for the rest of my life.

His meaning was clear.
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TA (3)
6/21/2011 4:25:27 PM
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:25:27 -0400, Tom A. wrote:

> On 06/21/2011 08:44 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:47:02 -0400, TJ wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/19/2011 05:56 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unlike the Linturds of COLA, this guy actually uses Linux and knows why
>>>> it's having problems as a desktop alternative to Windows.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, *I'm* convinced. It's obviously time to drop the whole thing and
>>> get on with my life.
>>
>> Yea, the truth is sometimes painful.
>> Hey there are still some people using OS/2 and Commodore 64's.
>>
>> Desktop Linux should fit right in!
>>
>>
> How would you know about the truth? You use it so infrequently. You 
> quoted only part of the post, the part that didn't convey the poster's 
> intent. He also said,

A Linturd specializing in wordsmith tactics whining about post snipping?
How ironic....


 
>> You couldn't get me to give up Linux if you gave
>> me free copies of Windows for the rest of my life.
> 
> His meaning was clear.

Clear as mud.
Wanna bet he uses Windows to earn his living and has at least one
Windows machine at home?

He'll lie of course, but the statistics are on my side, even in a Linux
based group like COLA.

See Chris Ahlstrom for details.

-- 
flatfish+++
Please visit our hall of Linux idiots.
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Watching Linux Fail:
http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/

Linux's dismal desktop market share:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/
 
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta 
in January 2009, Linux had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html 

Desktop Linux on Life Support:

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/is-linux-on-the-desktop-dead--961508
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flatfish (4841)
6/21/2011 7:14:15 PM
On 06/19/2011 05:56 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> 
> Unlike the Linturds of COLA, this guy actually uses Linux and knows why
> it's having problems as a desktop alternative to Windows.
> 
> Read it and weep freetards!!!

I think the main reason that this is so is that Windows people are
afraid of change ... even if it is for the better.  That and the fact
that most applications people use today are catering to either Windows
or Mac people.  However, it seems more and more these days that is not
the case.

As far as actually using Linux, I use both Linux (both at home and at
work since I am the sysadmin for a 175 server OpenSUSE shop) as well as
Windows.
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