The end of 2003 is fast approaching.

I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how 
the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.

Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout 
the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...

-- 
rapskat
The One, The Only...
Accept no substitutes

"rapskat" <rapskat@notmail.com> wrote in message
news:534414DD.3020808@notmail.com...
> The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>
> I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
> that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how
> the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>
> Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
> the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...

idiot, that lgx crap only exists in your drug-abused mind ... and about the
year of linux, idiots like you have been predicting this since the 1990s and
linux fails every year in the marketplace ... it was free and nobody wanted
it, now they made it more expensive than windows and guess what: nobody
cares!  people absolutely adore windows and windows apps, so the words is
'marketshare',

in 2004, 2005, 2006, ... : leenouchs who?

the Entity Formerly Known As Jazz wrote:

> rapskat wrote:
>> The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>> 
>> I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
>> that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how
>> the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>> 
>> Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
>> the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
> 
> Kernel 2.6
> OpenOffice.org 1.1
> Zaurus SL-7x0 (OK, so the Zaurus is not completely OSS, but at least its
> engine is)
> Linux on Psion 5mx: http://thomas.de-ruiter.cx/projects/psion/ (it's
> probably older than 2003, but _I_ found it this year and once I get my
> hands on a 256 MB CFcard, that baby is going to fly!)
> 

Just to add.

Apache will soon have 70% marketshare.




-- 
POOP
Registered Linux user #314060

POOP Inside�

rapskat wrote:
> The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
> 
> I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
> that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how 
> the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
> 
> Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout 
> the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...

Kernel 2.6
OpenOffice.org 1.1
Zaurus SL-7x0 (OK, so the Zaurus is not completely OSS, but at least its 
engine is)
Linux on Psion 5mx: http://thomas.de-ruiter.cx/projects/psion/ (it's 
probably older than 2003, but _I_ found it this year and once I get my 
hands on a 256 MB CFcard, that baby is going to fly!)

-- 
the Entity Formerly Known As Jazz

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior 
spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive 
with our frail and feeble mind."
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

"POOP" <iwantuniqueemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bskbvr$dq3nh$1@ID-179770.news.uni-berlin.de...
> the Entity Formerly Known As Jazz wrote:
>
> > rapskat wrote:
> >> The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
> >>
> >> I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
> >> that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of
how
> >> the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
> >>
> >> Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
> >> the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
> >
> > Kernel 2.6
> > OpenOffice.org 1.1
> > Zaurus SL-7x0 (OK, so the Zaurus is not completely OSS, but at least its
> > engine is)
> > Linux on Psion 5mx: http://thomas.de-ruiter.cx/projects/psion/ (it's
> > probably older than 2003, but _I_ found it this year and once I get my
> > hands on a 256 MB CFcard, that baby is going to fly!)
> >
>
> Just to add.
>
> Apache will soon have 70% marketshare.

yes, becuse it runs on windows.

rapskat sighed and said:

> The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
> 
> I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
> that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how 
> the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
> 
> Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout 
> the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...

The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.

-- 
Ian

He knows his onions.

cola_moderator wrote:


>> Just to add.
>>
>> Apache will soon have 70% marketshare.
> 
> yes, becuse it runs on windows.

Here, dumbo.

"Apache has a significant percentage gain this month [November] as
register.com, a leading domain registrar with a domain parking system
serving responses for over one million domains eliminated its Windows front
end, and reverted to Linux and Apache which it ran previously. Barely weeks
ago its largest rival, Network Solutions made a similar switch from
Microsoft-IIS back to SunOne, nee Netscape-Enterprise, for its own domain
parking system.

During 2001 and the first half of 2002 several companies hosting very large
numbers of hostnames including Webjump, Namezero, Homestead, register.com
and Network Solutions migrated to Microsoft-IIS. Subsequently these
businesses have either failed, significantly changed their business model,
or reverted to their previous platform, and Microsoft-IIS share is now in
line with its long term pre-summer 2001 level of around 20%. "

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html



-- 
POOP
Registered Linux user #314060

POOP Inside�

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, rapskat mumbled this incantation:

> The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
> 
> I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
> that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how 
> the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
> 
> Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout 
> the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...

I'm getting people asking me to install Linux on their older boxes for
them.  Just a couple, but it is a nice step.

Right now, I'm wrestling with a kernel compile (doing over VNC on a
little crap box that could barely handle Win98).

-- 
No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:53:59 +0000, The Onion Man
<IanPegel@netscamybrainspe.net> wrote:

>rapskat sighed and said:
>
>> The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>> 
>> I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
>> that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how 
>> the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>> 
>> Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout 
>> the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>
>The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.

I'll drink to that!!!!!!

flatfish+++

In article <bske6d$dfe98$1@ID-179770.news.uni-berlin.de>, POOP wrote:
> "Apache has a significant percentage gain this month [November] as
> register.com, a leading domain registrar with a domain parking system
> serving responses for over one million domains eliminated its Windows
> front end, and reverted to Linux and Apache which it ran previously.[...]"

I wasn't impressed when people counted those million domains for IIS when
they switched to IIS, and I'm not impressed that they are being counted for
Apache now that they've switched back.

It would be interesting, however, to know why they switched (both times).

-- 
--Tim Smith

In article <pan.2003.12.27.16.53.59.599414@netscamybrainspe.net>, The Onion
Man wrote:
> The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.

I hope it is also the year in which we see the last of something like that
being an issue.

The correct advocate response to the font issue would have been to admit
that most Linux distributions sucked out of the box, admit that it could be
a pain in the ass to get them to look good, and confidently predict that it
would continue to get better (which it did...currently, I find Linux now
looks better than Windows or OS X in the font department, except for that
one glitch in every mozilla-based browser I've seen where an occasional line
is squished).

Linux has long been good enough that there is no need to lie about or cover
up its deficiencies.  It beats the other systems on enough important points
that there is no shame in being behind on a few, temporarily.  Perhaps 2003
will be the year that most of the "advocates" will actually come to believe
in Linux.

-- 
--Tim Smith

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:49:25 +0000, Tim Smith wrote:

> In article <pan.2003.12.27.16.53.59.599414@netscamybrainspe.net>, The Onion
> Man wrote:
>> The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.
> 
> I hope it is also the year in which we see the last of something like that
> being an issue.
> 
> The correct advocate response to the font issue would have been to admit
> that most Linux distributions sucked out of the box, admit that it could be
> a pain in the ass to get them to look good, and confidently predict that it
> would continue to get better (which it did...currently, I find Linux now
> looks better than Windows or OS X in the font department, except for that
> one glitch in every mozilla-based browser I've seen where an occasional line
> is squished).
> 
> Linux has long been good enough that there is no need to lie about or cover
> up its deficiencies.  It beats the other systems on enough important points
> that there is no shame in being behind on a few, temporarily.  Perhaps 2003
> will be the year that most of the "advocates" will actually come to believe
> in Linux.


I'm already a believer.

And Flatfish is already a Linux commie.

Just wish cola moderator would pull the plug on the back of his head and
drain all that poop under pressure from his skull cavity.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:37:14 +0000, flatfish+++ wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:53:59 +0000, The Onion Man
> <IanPegel@netscamybrainspe.net> wrote:
> 
>>rapskat sighed and said:
>>
>>> The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>>> 
>>> I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
>>> that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how 
>>> the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>>> 
>>> Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout 
>>> the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>>
>>The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.
> 
> I'll drink to that!!!!!!
> 
> flatfish+++

The font's issue has been laid to rest!

WHAT !

cola_moderator wrote:

> "rapskat" <rapskat@notmail.com> wrote in message
> news:534414DD.3020808@notmail.com...
>> The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>>
>> I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
>> that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how
>> the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>>
>> Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
>> the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
> 
> idiot, that lgx crap only exists in your drug-abused mind ...
That is an immature way to disscuss

> and about 
> the year of linux, idiots like you have been predicting this since the
> 1990s and linux fails every year in the marketplace ... it was free and
> nobody wanted it, now they made it more expensive than windows
who are "they", since GNU/Linux + GNOME KDE ETC. are GPL'd, linux will
always be free free as in freedom and free like free beer.
>  and guess 
> what: nobody
> cares!  people absolutely adore windows and windows apps, so the words is
> 'marketshare',
There are also a lot of people who loves linux, but ms is more mainstream
because of $$$$ marketing and preinstallations (preinstalls should be
illegal due to competition issues).
There are more windows users hating windows than linux users hating linux. 
BSOD in the middle of a lot of homework. Who have had a kernel panic while
writing a science report? Who wants to pay $$$ for ms office when
openoffice can do the same for free. Who wants to pay 1000.-dkkr ~150$ for
ms windows, yes idiots and windows is designed by idiots for idiots.
Happy new year.
> 
> in 2004, 2005, 2006, ... : leenouchs who?

Lin�nut wrote:

> Right now, I'm wrestling with a kernel compile (doing over VNC on a
> little crap box that could barely handle Win98).

Let me get this straight, you're doing a kernel compile over *VNC*?
Why?

-- 
PeKaJe

Postmen never die, they just lose their zip.

"The Onion Man" <IanPegel@netscamybrainspe.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.27.16.53.59.599414@netscamybrainspe.net...
> rapskat sighed and said:
>
> > The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
> >
> > I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
> > that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how
> > the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
> >
> > Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
> > the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>
> The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.

linux fonts are the worst ... they are jagged and of terrible quality ...
that's why linux users run on text mode, besides the fact that they got
stocked in the 70s.

Tim Smith wrote:

> In article <bske6d$dfe98$1@ID-179770.news.uni-berlin.de>, POOP wrote:
>> "Apache has a significant percentage gain this month [November] as
>> register.com, a leading domain registrar with a domain parking system
>> serving responses for over one million domains eliminated its Windows
>> front end, and reverted to Linux and Apache which it ran
>> previously.[...]"
> 
> I wasn't impressed when people counted those million domains for IIS when
> they switched to IIS, and I'm not impressed that they are being counted
> for Apache now that they've switched back.
> 
> It would be interesting, however, to know why they switched (both times).

Maybe they switched to IIS because they believed MS's marketing bullshit and 
switched back when they realised it was bullshit.

-- 
Nigel Feltham - spanking trolls since 1999

> Maybe they switched to IIS because they believed MS's marketing bullshit and 
> switched back when they realised it was bullshit.
> 

there's a sucker born every minute,
and no doubt your right.

cola_moderator wrote:

> "The Onion Man" <IanPegel@netscamybrainspe.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2003.12.27.16.53.59.599414@netscamybrainspe.net...
>> rapskat sighed and said:
>>
>> > The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>> >
>> > I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
>> > that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of
>> > how the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>> >
>> > Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
>> > the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>>
>> The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.
> 
> linux fonts are the worst ... they are jagged and of terrible quality ...
> that's why linux users run on text mode, besides the fact that they got
> stocked in the 70s.

Learn how to spell you twit!
You mean X-fonts stupid, beauty was never the issue for X, just power and
functionality, besides, X is an server.
Nowadays the X gui's is just getting more and more beautiful and MS copies
them as never before (just take a glimpse on the screenshots from
Longhorn.)

Use the system, if you dare or stay in the hostile connection attempt world
.... Microsoft Windows.
-- 
Still here? /usr/bin/winloosers > /dev/null

"Vogon" <vogon@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:bsl4kl$2t2n$1@news.dataguard.no...
> cola_moderator wrote:
>
> > "The Onion Man" <IanPegel@netscamybrainspe.net> wrote in message
> > news:pan.2003.12.27.16.53.59.599414@netscamybrainspe.net...
> >> rapskat sighed and said:
> >>
> >> > The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
> >> >
> >> > I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and
milestones
> >> > that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of
> >> > how the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
> >> >
> >> > Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's
tout
> >> > the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
> >>
> >> The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.
> >
> > linux fonts are the worst ... they are jagged and of terrible quality
....
> > that's why linux users run on text mode, besides the fact that they got
> > stocked in the 70s.
>
> Learn how to spell you twit!
> You mean X-fonts stupid, beauty was never the issue for X, just power and
> functionality, besides, X is an server.
> Nowadays the X gui's is just getting more and more beautiful and MS copies
> them as never before (just take a glimpse on the screenshots from
> Longhorn.)

idiot.

Jesper S. Mouridsen wrote:

> cola_moderator wrote:
> 
>> "rapskat" <rapskat@notmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:534414DD.3020808@notmail.com...
>>> The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>>>
>>> I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
>>> that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how
>>> the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>>>
>>> Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
>>> the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>> 
>> idiot, that lgx crap only exists in your drug-abused mind ...
> That is an immature way to disscuss
> 
>> and about
>> the year of linux, idiots like you have been predicting this since the
>> 1990s and linux fails every year in the marketplace ... it was free and
>> nobody wanted it, now they made it more expensive than windows
> who are "they", since GNU/Linux + GNOME KDE ETC. are GPL'd, linux will
> always be free free as in freedom and free like free beer.
>>  and guess
>> what: nobody
>> cares!  people absolutely adore windows and windows apps, so the words is
>> 'marketshare',
> There are also a lot of people who loves linux, but ms is more mainstream
> because of $$$$ marketing and preinstallations (preinstalls should be
> illegal due to competition issues).
> There are more windows users hating windows than linux users hating linux.
> BSOD in the middle of a lot of homework. Who have had a kernel panic while
> writing a science report? Who wants to pay $$$ for ms office when
> openoffice can do the same for free. Who wants to pay 1000.-dkkr ~150$ for
> ms windows, yes idiots and windows is designed by idiots for idiots.
> Happy new year.
>> 
>> in 2004, 2005, 2006, ... : leenouchs who?

I've read something about the fact that selling drugs in most countries is
illegal, but if you sell MS products you go unpunished, it should be the
death-penalty for such an serious crime. 

And the MS-Windows users cries to me about their problems, nah, 1 of my
mates converted this month and is about to scrap his Win installation for
good. The Windozers are just jealous, their so-called os sucks so much and
as most of them are to stupid to switch to another or too disabled to use
their exsisting one, they're banned to go down as the case was with the
Titanic.

Remember the Yorktown cruiseliner? what disabled that vessel?

No need to pay XXXX NOK for crap as the case is with MS products.
Scrap the pre-installs of MS products!
-- 
Still here? /usr/bin/winloosers > /dev/null

cola_moderator wrote:

> "Vogon" <vogon@operamail.com> wrote in message
> news:bsl4kl$2t2n$1@news.dataguard.no...
>> cola_moderator wrote:
>>
>> > "The Onion Man" <IanPegel@netscamybrainspe.net> wrote in message
>> > news:pan.2003.12.27.16.53.59.599414@netscamybrainspe.net...
>> >> rapskat sighed and said:
>> >>
>> >> > The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and
> milestones
>> >> > that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of
>> >> > how the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>> >> >
>> >> > Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's
> tout
>> >> > the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>> >>
>> >> The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.
>> >
>> > linux fonts are the worst ... they are jagged and of terrible quality
> ...
>> > that's why linux users run on text mode, besides the fact that they got
>> > stocked in the 70s.
>>
>> Learn how to spell you twit!
>> You mean X-fonts stupid, beauty was never the issue for X, just power and
>> functionality, besides, X is an server.
>> Nowadays the X gui's is just getting more and more beautiful and MS
>> copies them as never before (just take a glimpse on the screenshots from
>> Longhorn.)
> 
> idiot.
You're the idiot ...
-- 
Still here? /usr/bin/winloosers > /dev/null

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Peter Jensen mumbled this incantation:

> Lin�nut wrote:
> 
>> Right now, I'm wrestling with a kernel compile (doing over VNC on a
>> little crap box that could barely handle Win98).
> 
> Let me get this straight, you're doing a kernel compile over *VNC*?
> Why?

Why not?  The files being compiled are all on the host doing the
compile.  I'm just using VNC as a remote desktop.

The only reason I'm even using VNC is that the other machine is on a
desk that is of the wrong height, the keyboard is crappy, and the
monitor is too small.  Plus I don't have to physically roll my chair the
meter that separates the two machines. <grin>

-- 
No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

Lin�nut wrote:

>>> Right now, I'm wrestling with a kernel compile (doing over VNC on a
>>> little crap box that could barely handle Win98).
>> 
>> Let me get this straight, you're doing a kernel compile over *VNC*?
>> Why?
> 
> Why not?  The files being compiled are all on the host doing the
> compile.  I'm just using VNC as a remote desktop.
> 
> The only reason I'm even using VNC is that the other machine is on a
> desk that is of the wrong height, the keyboard is crappy, and the
> monitor is too small.  Plus I don't have to physically roll my chair
> the meter that separates the two machines. <grin>

I was just thinking that a simple ssh into the box would be *far*
simpler, if a kernel compile was all you were doing.  And if any X apps
were needed (not for the kernel compile), then simply use '-CX' with
'ssh'.  Experience tells me that compressed X forwarding is faster and
more responsive than VNC.  On a LAN it's even faster without
compression.

-- 
PeKaJe

There cannot be a crisis next week.  My schedule is already full.
		-- Henry Kissinger

cola_moderator sighed and said:

> "The Onion Man" <IanPegel@netscamybrainspe.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2003.12.27.16.53.59.599414@netscamybrainspe.net...
>> rapskat sighed and said:
>>
>> > The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>> >
>> > I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
>> > that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how
>> > the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>> >
>> > Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
>> > the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>>
>> The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.
> 
> linux fonts are the worst ... they are jagged and of terrible quality ...
> that's why linux users run on text mode, besides the fact that they got
> stocked in the 70s.

http://ianpegel.tripod.com/screenshot-4.png

Look at the smoothness. 

Relish the forms. 

Couldn't you just kiss the perfection of those fonts?

-- 
Ian

He knows his onions.

Tim Smith sighed and said:

> In article <pan.2003.12.27.16.53.59.599414@netscamybrainspe.net>, The Onion
> Man wrote:
>> The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.
> 
> I hope it is also the year in which we see the last of something like that
> being an issue.
> 
> The correct advocate response to the font issue would have been to admit
> that most Linux distributions sucked out of the box, admit that it could be
> a pain in the ass to get them to look good, and confidently predict that it
> would continue to get better (which it did...currently, I find Linux now
> looks better than Windows or OS X in the font department, except for that
> one glitch in every mozilla-based browser I've seen where an occasional line
> is squished).

You are right of course. It takes courage in the face of a relentless
onslaught to admit that one's OS of choice has failings. If there was
nothing wrong with Linux (or Windows) then development could stop right
now. 

> 
> Linux has long been good enough that there is no need to lie about or cover
> up its deficiencies.  It beats the other systems on enough important points
> that there is no shame in being behind on a few, temporarily.  Perhaps 2003
> will be the year that most of the "advocates" will actually come to believe
> in Linux.

Linux has, I think, suffered from overstaing its case in the past. Back a
couple of years ago when I first started with it, though the underlying
kernel was very stable, a lot of the apps did suck. Seg-faulting and
various other nasty things. Now, though, stability all round, great looks,
fabulous multi-media handling seem to be included.

We should not rest on our laurels.

-- 
Ian

He knows his onions.

In article <534414DD.3020808@notmail.com>, rapskat wrote:
> The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
> 
> I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
> that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how 
> the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
> 
> Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout 
> the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...

  Welcome back Rapster! I LOVE stability, my system's been rebooted 5
times in the last year, twice due to the cat stepping on the power strip
switch (finally wised up and turned it on it's side (the switch, not the
cat)) and 3 times due to power. This is not an advancement or milestone
of Linux per se but it is for my computing power.


-- 

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"Robt. Miller" <robtmil.killspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:slrnbutsni.hp6.robtmil.killspam@robtmil.com...
> In article <534414DD.3020808@notmail.com>, rapskat wrote:
> > The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
> >
> > I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
> > that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how
> > the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
> >
> > Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
> > the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>
>   Welcome back Rapster! I LOVE stability, my system's been rebooted 5
> times in the last year, twice due to the cat stepping on the power strip
> switch (finally wised up and turned it on it's side (the switch, not the
> cat)) and 3 times due to power. This is not an advancement or milestone
> of Linux per se but it is for my computing power.

idiot, my refrigerator has been running non-stop for 5 years, big fucking
deal.

cola masturbator Kerke wrote:

> "Robt. Miller" <robtmil.killspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnbutsni.hp6.robtmil.killspam@robtmil.com...
>> In article <534414DD.3020808@notmail.com>, rapskat wrote:
>> > The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>> >
>> > I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
>> > that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of
>> > how the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>> >
>> > Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
>> > the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>>
>>   Welcome back Rapster! I LOVE stability, my system's been rebooted 5
>> times in the last year, twice due to the cat stepping on the power strip
>> switch (finally wised up and turned it on it's side (the switch, not the
>> cat)) and 3 times due to power. This is not an advancement or milestone
>> of Linux per se but it is for my computing power.
> 
> idiot, my refrigerator has been running non-stop for 5 years, big fucking
> deal.

Your refrigerator does not run on windows. Where uptimes of 3 month are
"unbelievable", "incredible", "amazing" etc etc
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cola_moderator wrote:
> "Robt. Miller" <robtmil.killspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnbutsni.hp6.robtmil.killspam@robtmil.com...
> 
>>In article <534414DD.3020808@notmail.com>, rapskat wrote:
>>
>>>The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>>>
>>>I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
>>>that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how
>>>the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>>>
>>>Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
>>>the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>>
>>  Welcome back Rapster! I LOVE stability, my system's been rebooted 5
>>times in the last year, twice due to the cat stepping on the power strip
>>switch (finally wised up and turned it on it's side (the switch, not the
>>cat)) and 3 times due to power. This is not an advancement or milestone
>>of Linux per se but it is for my computing power.
> 
> 
> idiot, my refrigerator has been running non-stop for 5 years, big fucking
> deal.

Now, I know this is an advocacy group for Linux, so some liberties are 
allowed and even expected.

But to bluntly claim that a _refrigerator_ is superior to a Windows 
computer is taking Linux advocacy a bit too far for me. You're bordering 
on Lintrollery there, "cola_moderator".

-- 
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"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior 
spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive 
with our frail and feeble mind."
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"the Entity Formerly Known As Jazz" <itsfortytwo@dumbo.org> wrote in message
news:bsmtcs$l0p$1@news.worldonline.be...
> cola_moderator wrote:
> > "Robt. Miller" <robtmil.killspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:slrnbutsni.hp6.robtmil.killspam@robtmil.com...
> >
> >>In article <534414DD.3020808@notmail.com>, rapskat wrote:
> >>
> >>>The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
> >>>
> >>>I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
> >>>that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of
how
> >>>the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
> >>>
> >>>Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
> >>>the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
> >>
> >>  Welcome back Rapster! I LOVE stability, my system's been rebooted 5
> >>times in the last year, twice due to the cat stepping on the power strip
> >>switch (finally wised up and turned it on it's side (the switch, not the
> >>cat)) and 3 times due to power. This is not an advancement or milestone
> >>of Linux per se but it is for my computing power.
> >
> >
> > idiot, my refrigerator has been running non-stop for 5 years, big
fucking
> > deal.
>
> Now, I know this is an advocacy group for Linux, so some liberties are
> allowed and even expected.
>
> But to bluntly claim that a _refrigerator_ is superior to a Windows
> computer is taking Linux advocacy a bit too far for me. You're bordering
> on Lintrollery there, "cola_moderator".

idiot.

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Peter Jensen mumbled this incantation:

> Lin�nut wrote:
> 
>> The only reason I'm even using VNC is that the other machine is on a
>> desk that is of the wrong height, the keyboard is crappy, and the
>> monitor is too small.  Plus I don't have to physically roll my chair
>> the meter that separates the two machines. <grin>
> 
> I was just thinking that a simple ssh into the box would be *far*
> simpler, if a kernel compile was all you were doing.  And if any X apps
> were needed (not for the kernel compile), then simply use '-CX' with
> 'ssh'.  Experience tells me that compressed X forwarding is faster and
> more responsive than VNC.  On a LAN it's even faster without
> compression.

Not an issue here.  Sure, I could use SSH.  But I want to have a GUI
browser available if I need it.

It doesn't seem slow to me, and it allows me to monitor progress while
using my main machine, without turning my back.

Besides, I want to do it.  That's what counts.  <grin>

Here's an interesting tidbit.  We're using TightVNC at work to get GUI
access to a couple of blade servers.  Incredible, it is horribly slow.
It is as slow as using VNC from work to access my Linux box, but the
latter is slow just because there's about 10 hops from work to home.

Why is VNC between two Win 2003 Server boxes so slow.  There's no hops
between them?

Also, the VNC between the two servers will crap out now and then.  I've
**never** had that happen when VNC'ing into a Linux box.

It's incredible how well monopoly crapware survives!

-- 
No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, The Onion Man mumbled this incantation:

> http://ianpegel.tripod.com/screenshot-4.png
> 
> Look at the smoothness. 
> 
> Relish the forms. 
> 
> Couldn't you just kiss the perfection of those fonts?

I'm going to have to edit the user-chrome of my Mozilla setup!!!

-- 
No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, The Onion Man mumbled this incantation:

>> The correct advocate response to the font issue would have been to admit
>> that most Linux distributions sucked out of the box, admit that it could be
>> a pain in the ass to get them to look good, and confidently predict that it
>> would continue to get better (which it did...currently, I find Linux now
>> looks better than Windows or OS X in the font department, except for that
>> one glitch in every mozilla-based browser I've seen where an occasional line
>> is squished).
> 
> You are right of course. It takes courage in the face of a relentless
> onslaught to admit that one's OS of choice has failings. If there was
> nothing wrong with Linux (or Windows) then development could stop right
> now. 

Not to mention that Windows itself was just as "crappy", and so the font
issue was overstated for awhile.  Then MS started using cleartype,
thinking they'd discovered sub-pixel font rendering.

-- 
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Lin�nut wrote:
> Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, The Onion Man mumbled this incantation:
> 
> 
>>http://ianpegel.tripod.com/screenshot-4.png
>>
>>Look at the smoothness. 
>>
>>Relish the forms. 
>>
>>Couldn't you just kiss the perfection of those fonts?
> 
> 
> I'm going to have to edit the user-chrome of my Mozilla setup!!!
> 

Mine looks nicer:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jabailo/Screenshot-Thunderbird-bin.png

[snips]

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:06:03 +0000, The Onion Man wrote:

> Linux has, I think, suffered from overstaing its case in the past. Back a
> couple of years ago when I first started with it, though the underlying
> kernel was very stable, a lot of the apps did suck. Seg-faulting and
> various other nasty things. Now, though, stability all round, great looks,
> fabulous multi-media handling seem to be included.

Back around 2001, I found Linux essentially unusable, at least as a
desktop.  Not because the kernel sucked, but because the apps did;
crashes, X lockups and the like.  I said, at the time, I figured another 2
years or so and it'd be usable.

Here it is, 2 years later, and it's my primary (actually, my only
installed at the moment) OS.

Had Linux development stopped 2 years ago because Linux was so wonderfully
perfect that any criticism of it was simply to be disregarded, it wouldn't
be nearly as good as it is now.

Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> [snips]
> 
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:06:03 +0000, The Onion Man wrote:
> 
> 
>>Linux has, I think, suffered from overstaing its case in the past. Back a
>>couple of years ago when I first started with it, though the underlying
>>kernel was very stable, a lot of the apps did suck. Seg-faulting and
>>various other nasty things. Now, though, stability all round, great looks,
>>fabulous multi-media handling seem to be included.
> 
> 
> Back around 2001, I found Linux essentially unusable, at least as a
> desktop.  Not because the kernel sucked, but because the apps did;
> crashes, X lockups and the like.  I said, at the time, I figured another 2
> years or so and it'd be usable.
> 
> Here it is, 2 years later, and it's my primary (actually, my only
> installed at the moment) OS.
> 
> Had Linux development stopped 2 years ago because Linux was so wonderfully
> perfect that any criticism of it was simply to be disregarded, it wouldn't
> be nearly as good as it is now.
> 
> 

I used debian 2.2 on a celeron in 2000/2001 and thought it was the cat's 
pajamas.  Finally, an OS that didn't drop the ppp connection every 3 
seconds.

: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lin=F8nut?= <=?iso-8859-1?Q?lin=F8nut?=@bone.com>
: Here's an interesting tidbit.  We're using TightVNC at work to get GUI
: access to a couple of blade servers.  Incredible, it is horribly slow.
: It is as slow as using VNC from work to access my Linux box, but the
: latter is slow just because there's about 10 hops from work to home.
: Why is VNC between two Win 2003 Server boxes so slow.  There's no hops
: between them?

Because the VNC server for windows is forced to do inefficient things
like polling and applying heuristics and so forth.  Xvnc has much MUCH
less of a problem with apps writing the display hardware, and therefore
unlike WinVNC doesn't have to do the much-slower thing of checking and
re-checking what has really gotten to the screen. 

If you use x0vncserver, the (now obsolete) x0rfbserver, or x11vnc,
all of which must poll because they aren't plugged into the server
process like Xvnc or xf4vnc, you'll see noticeable "speed"
decredation ("speed" being in terms of time lag of update).

Recent and future-planned versions of VNC are supposed to improve
that situation by using the remote terminal services package under
windows... but AFAIK that's not practical normally/yet.

I'd like to heard corrections from folks who have more recent experience.


Wayne Throop   throopw@sheol.org   http://sheol.org/throopw

Lin�nut wrote:

<snip>
> Here's an interesting tidbit.  We're using TightVNC at work to get GUI
> access to a couple of blade servers.  Incredible, it is horribly slow.
> It is as slow as using VNC from work to access my Linux box, but the
> latter is slow just because there's about 10 hops from work to home.
> 
> Why is VNC between two Win 2003 Server boxes so slow.  There's no hops
> between them?
> 

<conspiracy>
It's because they *fixed* it so that it's that way.
</conspiracy>

No seriously, there is a polling/translation layer that really slows things
down.

Any reason you are not using the built-in 2003 terminal server/client?

Anyway, from a Linux box, at blazing speeds (compared to VNC) use rdesktop

http://www.rdesktop.org


> Also, the VNC between the two servers will crap out now and then.  I've
> **never** had that happen when VNC'ing into a Linux box.
> 

We don't know all the quirks that lurks beneath 2003 yet.

> It's incredible how well monopoly crapware survives!
> 

We just have to play along for now, although I worry that they will somehow
"patent" the protocol, and ask for CAL fees.


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The beginning of the
end

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Wayne Throop mumbled this incantation:

> : Why is VNC between two Win 2003 Server boxes so slow.  There's no hops
> : between them?
> 
> Because the VNC server for windows is forced to do inefficient things
> like polling and applying heuristics and so forth.  Xvnc has much MUCH
> less of a problem with apps writing the display hardware, and therefore
> unlike WinVNC doesn't have to do the much-slower thing of checking and
> re-checking what has really gotten to the screen. 

That seems reasonable, but, still, why would it be dog slow between two
Win 2003 Server boxes using 2.8 GHz CPUs?

> Recent and future-planned versions of VNC are supposed to improve
> that situation by using the remote terminal services package under
> windows... but AFAIK that's not practical normally/yet.

I doubt the MS EULA would allow it.

> I'd like to heard corrections from folks who have more recent experience.

Thanks for you input, it makes sense.

-- 
No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Kelsey Bjarnason mumbled this incantation:

> [snips]
> 
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:06:03 +0000, The Onion Man wrote:
> 
>> Linux has, I think, suffered from overstaing its case in the past. Back a
>> couple of years ago when I first started with it, though the underlying
>> kernel was very stable, a lot of the apps did suck. Seg-faulting and
>> various other nasty things. Now, though, stability all round, great looks,
>> fabulous multi-media handling seem to be included.
> 
> Back around 2001, I found Linux essentially unusable, at least as a
> desktop.  Not because the kernel sucked, but because the apps did;
> crashes, X lockups and the like.  I said, at the time, I figured another 2
> years or so and it'd be usable.

Around 1998, I found Linux very useable as a desktop and as a limited
audio (CD/mp3) workstation.

In 2001, it still ran just as well, speedwise, on my hardware, which had
not been upgraded.
 
> Here it is, 2 years later, and it's my primary (actually, my only
> installed at the moment) OS.

I have to say there that xfce has greatly improved the appearance of my
desktop without affecting its speed or functionality.

And, since I'm on vacaction, I'm revelling in being Windows-free.
(I will have to get this Ctrl-Alt-Del problem solved so that I can
do my time sheet, however.)

> Had Linux development stopped 2 years ago because Linux was so wonderfully
> perfect that any criticism of it was simply to be disregarded, it wouldn't
> be nearly as good as it is now.

I think you have to admit it when Linux lacks in something, up front and
without blinking.  Even if it means a WinTroll is correct.

However, most WinTrolls exaggerate Linux problems so much that it is
often worth rebutting.

It's also easy to, in one's anger and frustration, to exaggerate the
problems of Windoze.  Unfortunately, in my case, I've never had to
exaggerate -- my true-life stories are amazing enough without it.

Even in the face of massive problems, we keep using Windows.

-- 
No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Lee Wei Shun mumbled this incantation:

> Lin�nut wrote:
> 
>> Why is VNC between two Win 2003 Server boxes so slow.  There's no hops
>> between them?
> 
> <conspiracy>
> It's because they *fixed* it so that it's that way.
> </conspiracy>
> 
> No seriously, there is a polling/translation layer that really slows things
> down.
> 
> Any reason you are not using the built-in 2003 terminal server/client?

I don't know.  I didn't set up the boxes.  Do you get a free instance of
the Terminal Server client?  If not, I suspect then that it's not
installed because our client pinches pennies.

I've read that some apps need to be patched to work with Terminal
Server.  Shouldn't be an issue here, so, again, I don't know why.
Is Visual C++ Terminal-Services compliant?

> Anyway, from a Linux box, at blazing speeds (compared to VNC) use rdesktop
> 
> http://www.rdesktop.org

That's what I would do if I find that Terminal Services is an option.
I'm not at all sure if it is.  This setup is a couple of HP ProLiant
blade servers and a separate Dell Desktop, all running Win 2003 Server
Enterprise and all being domain controllers, I believe.

To deal with the fact that the servers are headless, this setup
"requires" HP/Compaq iLO (integrated lights out), a krufty IE interface
that lets one reboot the servers or power them up/down.

Probably very weird, but I didn't choose all this stuff.  To me it seems
like a CF and overkill for our project, but there's no way to change the
setup now.  I can at least ask about Terminal Services.  VNC is very
limiting since we have more than 2 developers who would like
simultaneous access to the servers.

> We don't know all the quirks that lurks beneath 2003 yet.
> 
> We just have to play along for now, although I worry that they will somehow
> "patent" the protocol, and ask for CAL fees.

You know they will.  PHBs expect to "pay for licenses" in all cases now.

-- 
No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

On 2003-12-28, Kelsey Bjarnason <kelseyb@lightspeed.bc.ca> blubbered:
> [snips]
>
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:06:03 +0000, The Onion Man wrote:
>
>> Linux has, I think, suffered from overstaing its case in the past. Back a
>> couple of years ago when I first started with it, though the underlying
>> kernel was very stable, a lot of the apps did suck. Seg-faulting and
>> various other nasty things. Now, though, stability all round, great looks,
>> fabulous multi-media handling seem to be included.
>
> Back around 2001, I found Linux essentially unusable, at least as a
> desktop.  Not because the kernel sucked, but because the apps did;
> crashes, X lockups and the like.  I said, at the time, I figured another 2
> years or so and it'd be usable.
>
> Here it is, 2 years later, and it's my primary (actually, my only
> installed at the moment) OS.
>
> Had Linux development stopped 2 years ago because Linux was so wonderfully
> perfect that any criticism of it was simply to be disregarded, it wouldn't
> be nearly as good as it is now.

Opinions are, well, opinions. I started using linux exclusively about
7.5 years ago. As a desktop. There were a few problems, but I had more
around 5 years ago that I did then.

I think it was usable then. I think it was extremely usable during the
time period you mention. I think it's overwhelmingly usable by the vast
majority now.

That's not to say there's no problems at all. There are. But not as
many as most people have with Windoze.

Yeah, I've had some kernel panics and segfaults. I've had the NIC that
worked for months then failed after an upgrade. I've had things go
haywire after upgrading a library and rebooting several days or weeks
or months later. But I was nearly always able to repair those most of
problems with a bit of investigation. And with the ones I couldn't fix,
there were usually alternatives that worked as well and didn't suffer
the same fate.

Desktop usability, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I've
been happy (not satisfied, though) with the state of the desktop just a
few months after I started using linux. I get closer to being
satisifed with each advance, though I know I'll never be completely
happy as long as there is more that can be done.

-- 
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where they teach you how to order a pizza!

Lin�nut wrote:

> Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Lee Wei Shun mumbled this incantation:
> 
>> Lin�nut wrote:
>> 
>>> Why is VNC between two Win 2003 Server boxes so slow.  There's no hops
>>> between them?
>> 
>> <conspiracy>
>> It's because they *fixed* it so that it's that way.
>> </conspiracy>
>> 
>> No seriously, there is a polling/translation layer that really slows
>> things down.
>> 
>> Any reason you are not using the built-in 2003 terminal server/client?
> 
> I don't know.  I didn't set up the boxes.  Do you get a free instance of
> the Terminal Server client?  If not, I suspect then that it's not
> installed because our client pinches pennies.
> 

Just not configured, more likely. To check:

Start -> Right-click MyComputer -> Properties -> Remote

See if the box is ticked.

> I've read that some apps need to be patched to work with Terminal
> Server.  Shouldn't be an issue here, so, again, I don't know why.
> Is Visual C++ Terminal-Services compliant?
> 

Haven't tried VC++, but should be, everything works here, either from the
Remote Desktop Client on XP or 2003 (downloadable for 98 and 2K) and
rdesktop, including scrolling the mouse and ctrl-alt-del, without any
changes. 

>> Anyway, from a Linux box, at blazing speeds (compared to VNC) use
>> rdesktop
>> 
>> http://www.rdesktop.org
> 
> That's what I would do if I find that Terminal Services is an option.
> I'm not at all sure if it is.  This setup is a couple of HP ProLiant
> blade servers and a separate Dell Desktop, all running Win 2003 Server
> Enterprise and all being domain controllers, I believe.
> 

Yes, that's an OK setup, $COMPANY makes headless windows and linux boxen.

> To deal with the fact that the servers are headless, this setup
> "requires" HP/Compaq iLO (integrated lights out), a krufty IE interface
> that lets one reboot the servers or power them up/down.
> 
> Probably very weird, but I didn't choose all this stuff.  To me it seems
> like a CF and overkill for our project, but there's no way to change the
> setup now.  I can at least ask about Terminal Services.  VNC is very
> limiting since we have more than 2 developers who would like
> simultaneous access to the servers.
> 

2003Server comes with 2 *simultaneous* Remote CALs on top of the original
console session. You can have more user accounts, but only 2 logged-in
remotely at any one time.

>> We don't know all the quirks that lurks beneath 2003 yet.
>> 
>> We just have to play along for now, although I worry that they will
>> somehow "patent" the protocol, and ask for CAL fees.
> 
> You know they will.  PHBs expect to "pay for licenses" in all cases now.
> 

I know, right now the 2 CALs are "included in the price".

Cheers,
WS

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The beginning of the
end

>>Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Lee Wei Shun mumbled this incantation:

>>>Anyway, from a Linux box, at blazing speeds (compared to VNC) use
>>>rdesktop
>>>
>>>http://www.rdesktop.org
>>

Great this is exactly what I need, or half of it.

My employer uses a Shiva VPN for external access to the windos domain.

On w2k I used my DSL connection with a shiva client on top of that.

Is tehre any linux equivalent for a Shiva client ?   Looking at my 
network-configuration tool, I see CIPE.  Do you know anything about CIPE 
-- it says that it's for configuring VPNs?

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Lee Wei Shun mumbled this incantation:

> Just not configured, more likely. To check:
> 
> Start -> Right-click MyComputer -> Properties -> Remote
> 
> See if the box is ticked.
> 
> I know, right now the 2 CALs are "included in the price".

Thanks for all your info!

Two CALs.  How generous of Billy Butt-Crust.

-- 
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On 27 Dec 2003 15:35:42 GMT, rapskat <rapskat@notmail.com> wrote:

>I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
>that LGX and OSS has made this year,

What Milestones?

Yeah, bullying corporations, stealing code, hacking attempts, supporting
mischief, growing script kiddies, being a spammer heaven, lousy
security, being loud and potty mouthed fools.

That's what "advancements and milestones that LGX and OSS has made this
year", plain and simple.

You ignorant clueless fuckin' jackass.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:57:01 -1000, POOP <iwantuniqueemail@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>-- 
>POOP
>Registered Linux user #314060
>
>POOP Inside


ROFLMAO!!!!

Enough said.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:15:32 +0000, COLA Facts wrote:

> On 27 Dec 2003 15:35:42 GMT, rapskat <rapskat@notmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
>>that LGX and OSS has made this year,
> 
> What Milestones?
> 
> Yeah, bullying corporations,

That's MS.

> stealing code, 

MS and SCO.

> hacking attempts,

LOL, funny.

> supporting mischief, growing script kiddies, being a spammer heaven,
> lousy security, being loud and potty mouthed fools.

These are all MS again.

> 
> That's what "advancements and milestones that LGX and OSS has made this
> year", plain and simple.

No, that's MS and SCO. Linux has had nothing to do with that crap.

> 
> You ignorant clueless fuckin' jackass.

When are you ever going to present any facts?

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Hank Kimball
<opus@neitherland.org>
 wrote
on Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:13:08 -0600
<pan.2003.12.27.19.13.08.77439@neitherland.org>:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:37:14 +0000, flatfish+++ wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:53:59 +0000, The Onion Man
>> <IanPegel@netscamybrainspe.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>rapskat sighed and said:
>>>
>>>> The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
>>>> that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how 
>>>> the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>>>> 
>>>> Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout 
>>>> the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>>>
>>>The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.
>> 
>> I'll drink to that!!!!!!
>> 
>> flatfish+++
> 
> The font's issue has been laid to rest!
> 
> WHAT !
> 

I can corroborate that.  For various reasons, mostly because
it was a mixed unstable/woody box, I had to reinstall Debian,
this time choosing woody exclusively.

The fonts are now impressively anti-aliased, although part of
that might be the fact that they are from Microsoft.  (But
hey, fair use and all that.)

The only flaw -- and it's a weird but minor one -- is that
link text occcasionally jumps up or down 1 pixel while I
move the mouse pointer around a Web page in Galeon/Mozilla.
Can't say I understand why it's doing that.

-- 
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It's still legal to go .sigless.

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, cola_moderator
<cola_moderator@msn.com>
 wrote
on Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:48:38 -0500
<G7KdnRJvv-4rfHCiRVn-hQ@dsli.com>:
> "The Onion Man" <IanPegel@netscamybrainspe.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2003.12.27.16.53.59.599414@netscamybrainspe.net...
>> rapskat sighed and said:
>>
>> > The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>> >
>> > I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
>> > that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of how
>> > the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>> >
>> > Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
>> > the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>>
>> The year in which the "fonts" issue was finally laid to rest.
> 
> linux fonts are the worst ... they are jagged and of terrible quality ...
> that's why linux users run on text mode, besides the fact that they got
> stocked in the 70s.
> 

Wow.

When you're done with that Type 40 time machine, remember to
return it to Doctor Who... :-)

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
It's still legal to go .sigless.

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Peter K�hlmann
<Peter.Koehlmann@t-online.de>
 wrote
on Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:24:47 +0100
<bsmsjv$cq2$00$1@news.t-online.com>:
> cola masturbator Kerke wrote:
> 
>> "Robt. Miller" <robtmil.killspam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:slrnbutsni.hp6.robtmil.killspam@robtmil.com...
>>> In article <534414DD.3020808@notmail.com>, rapskat wrote:
>>> > The end of 2003 is fast approaching.
>>> >
>>> > I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones
>>> > that LGX and OSS has made this year, and perhaps a brief overview of
>>> > how the little OS that could has come so far in so short a time.
>>> >
>>> > Advocates, speak up and let your collective voice be heard.  Let's tout
>>> > the great deeds of the Mighty Penguin in '03...
>>>
>>>   Welcome back Rapster! I LOVE stability, my system's been rebooted 5
>>> times in the last year, twice due to the cat stepping on the power strip
>>> switch (finally wised up and turned it on it's side (the switch, not the
>>> cat)) and 3 times due to power. This is not an advancement or milestone
>>> of Linux per se but it is for my computing power.
>> 
>> idiot, my refrigerator has been running non-stop for 5 years, big fucking
>> deal.
> 
> Your refrigerator does not run on windows. Where uptimes of 3 month are
> "unbelievable", "incredible", "amazing" etc etc

I wonder if some of the newer refrigerators are running embedded
operating systems.

One, for example, is WinCE.  Another, far more straightforward and
logical choice, would be, of course Linux, and there's a realtime
option on Debian that I happened to notice the other day.

(FreeBSD is a possibility, too, admittedly -- just to be on
the complete side. :-) )

-- 
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It's still legal to go .sigless.

John Bailo wrote:

> My employer uses a Shiva VPN for external access to the windos domain.
> 
> On w2k I used my DSL connection with a shiva client on top of that.
> 
> Is tehre any linux equivalent for a Shiva client ?   Looking at my
> network-configuration tool, I see CIPE.  Do you know anything about CIPE
> -- it says that it's for configuring VPNs?

Well, Freeswan is supposed to be compatible with shiva (when shiva is
running in compatible mode) but since I don't have a Lanrover box, I can't
help too much.

Try googling for docs.

CIPE is probably not compatible.

Regards,
WS

-- 
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Linux user #61399
The beginning of the
end

Lee Wei Shun wrote:

> Well, Freeswan is supposed to be compatible with shiva (when shiva is

compatible with IPSC, a universal standard for vpn,
but not for SST ( Shiva Smart Tunneling )

Jeff Relf wrote:

> Hello John Bailo ,  You show your screen shot ,
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jabailo/Screenshot-Thunderbird-bin.png
> 
> The top-right controls are the same as those in Windows ,
>   are you running windows ,
>   or does Linux look the same way ?

It's Linux.

-- 
POOP
Registered Linux user #314060

POOP Inside�

Hello John Bailo ,  You show your screen shot ,
http://home.earthlink.net/~jabailo/Screenshot-Thunderbird-bin.png

The top-right controls are the same as those in Windows ,
  are you running windows ,
  or does Linux look the same way ?

COLA Facts <COLA@facts.not> wrote in message news:<07cf3bdd3819a209dbd7d471141c9125@news.teranews.com>...
> On 27 Dec 2003 15:35:42 GMT, rapskat <rapskat@notmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
> >that LGX and OSS has made this year,
> 
> What Milestones?
> 
> Yeah, bullying corporations, stealing code, hacking attempts, supporting
> mischief, growing script kiddies, being a spammer heaven, lousy
> security, being loud and potty mouthed fools.
> 
> That's what "advancements and milestones that LGX and OSS has made this
> year", plain and simple.
> 
> You ignorant clueless fuckin' jackass.

Oh, so they're using the Micorosft business model.

In article <07cf3bdd3819a209dbd7d471141c9125@news.teranews.com>, 
COLA@facts.not says...

> That's what "advancements and milestones that LGX and OSS has made this
> year", plain and simple.
> 
And Windows?

Bill Gates: "We will stop doing advancements to XP and concentrate on 
security flaws instead"

Then along came Sobig, Slammer, Nimbda.....


-- 
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:35:41 -0000, Conor <conor_turton@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <07cf3bdd3819a209dbd7d471141c9125@news.teranews.com>, 
>COLA@facts.not says...
>
>> That's what "advancements and milestones that LGX and OSS has made this
>> year", plain and simple.
>> 
>And Windows?

Every good thing you run today you should thank Windows for.


>Bill Gates: "We will stop doing advancements to XP and concentrate on 
>security flaws instead"
>

Provide an accurate and credible reference to the above, or shut the
fuck up, shit eater.

On 30 Dec 2003 00:42:18 -0800, netguynw@yahoo.com (Cron) wrote:

>COLA Facts <COLA@facts.not> wrote in message news:<07cf3bdd3819a209dbd7d471141c9125@news.teranews.com>...
>> On 27 Dec 2003 15:35:42 GMT, rapskat <rapskat@notmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
>> >that LGX and OSS has made this year,
>> 
>> What Milestones?
>> 
>> Yeah, bullying corporations, stealing code, hacking attempts, supporting
>> mischief, growing script kiddies, being a spammer heaven, lousy
>> security, being loud and potty mouthed fools.
>> 
>> That's what "advancements and milestones that LGX and OSS has made this
>> year", plain and simple.
>> 
>> You ignorant clueless fuckin' jackass.
>
>Oh, // flush.
Shut the fuck up, clueless retard.

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:40:49 -0600, Liam Slider
<liam@NOSPAM.liamslider.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:15:32 +0000, COLA Facts wrote:
>
>That's MS.

>MS and SCO.

>LOL, funny.

>These are all MS again.



Wow, whining and no facts posted, as usual.

>> That's what "advancements and milestones that LGX and OSS has made this
>> year", plain and simple.
>
>No, that's MS and SCO. Linux has had nothing to do with that crap.

Stealing code?
That's what made Linus a famous person, you ignorant retarded jackass.
You are in denial.
 
>> You ignorant clueless fuckin' jackass.
>
>When are you ever going to present any facts?

ROFLMAO!!!

Look who's talking.

Look few lines above and see a recent version of your "facts", doofus.

No matter what is posted, it will go over your head.

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Liam Slider mumbled this incantation:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:15:32 +0000, COLA Facts wrote:
> 
>> You ignorant clueless fuckin' jackass.
> 
> When are you ever going to present any facts?

He can't, so he won't.  He's basically a dumbass who learned how to make
his mother cry with his insults and invective, and has adopted that as
his strategy for dealing with the rest of the world.

-- 
No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, The Ghost In The Machine mumbled this incantation:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, cola_moderator
>> 
>> linux fonts are the worst ... they are jagged and of terrible quality ...
>> that's why linux users run on text mode, besides the fact that they got
>> stocked in the 70s.
> 
> Wow.
> 
> When you're done with that Type 40 time machine, remember to
> return it to Doctor Who... :-)

Is there any way to double-plonk someone in slrn?  So I don't even
see any responses to this idiot?  (koala-moderator I mean, not you
Ghost.)

-- 
No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

So anyway, it was like, 01:57 CET Dec 31 2003, you know? Oh, and, yeah,
Lin�nut was all like, "Dude,

> Is there any way to double-plonk someone in slrn? So I don't even
> see any responses to this idiot? (koala-moderator I mean, not you
> Ghost.)

Get the "persistent scoring" patch for slrn from here:

<http://www.xs4all.nl/~thunder7/>

Unpack, patch, './configure [..] LIBS=-lgdbm', recompile, yada yada..

I've hacked up an ebuild for gentoo which seems to work (at least
the finished binary doesn't choke on the 'set persistent_scorefile'
directive in .slrnrc). I haven't really actually played with the
scoring itself tho, so for all I know it may be snake oil.

hth.

-- 
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 03:44:30 up 22 days,  8:59,  5 users,  load average: 2.07, 2.34, 2.27
$ cat /dev/bollocks                      Registered Linux user #261729
grow plug-and-play e-business

Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Johan Lindquist mumbled this incantation:

> So anyway, it was like, 01:57 CET Dec 31 2003, you know? Oh, and, yeah,
> Lin�nut was all like, "Dude,
> 
>> Is there any way to double-plonk someone in slrn? So I don't even
>> see any responses to this idiot? (koala-moderator I mean, not you
>> Ghost.)
> 
> Get the "persistent scoring" patch for slrn from here:
> 
> <http://www.xs4all.nl/~thunder7/>
> 
> Unpack, patch, './configure [..] LIBS=-lgdbm', recompile, yada yada..

That's what I **like** about COLA.  The Linux regulars here are beset
with incredibly stupid morons like cola_moderator and COLA Facts, and
irritating sophists like the late Erik Funkenbusch and Simon "Milo T."
Cooke, yet they will answer reasonable questions in a very reasonable
manner.

-- 
No, I won't fix your Windows computer!

COLA Facts <COLA@facts.not> wrote in message news:<87b00dd940717457b64be7decf9d6758@news.teranews.com>...
> On 30 Dec 2003 00:42:18 -0800, netguynw@yahoo.com (Cron) wrote:
> 
> >COLA Facts <COLA@facts.not> wrote in message news:<07cf3bdd3819a209dbd7d471141c9125@news.teranews.com>...
> >> On 27 Dec 2003 15:35:42 GMT, rapskat <rapskat@notmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
> >> >that LGX and OSS has made this year,
> >> 
> >> What Milestones?
> >> 
> >> Yeah, bullying corporations, stealing code, hacking attempts, supporting
> >> mischief, growing script kiddies, being a spammer heaven, lousy
> >> security, being loud and potty mouthed fools.
> >> 
> >> That's what "advancements and milestones that LGX and OSS has made this
> >> year", plain and simple.
> >> 
> >> You ignorant clueless fuckin' jackass.
> >
> >Oh, // flush.
> Shut the fuck up, clueless retard.

Ah yes, but you can't snip the truth. You can only edit your lame responses.

COLA Facts <COLA@facts.not> wrote in message news:<09931b8e3b4ee3a9f874b630af8dcfd5@news.teranews.com>...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:35:41 -0000, Conor <conor_turton@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >In article <07cf3bdd3819a209dbd7d471141c9125@news.teranews.com>, 
> >COLA@facts.not says...
> >
> >> That's what "advancements and milestones that LGX and OSS has made this
> >> year", plain and simple.
> >> 
> >And Windows?
> 
> Every good thing you run today you should thank Windows for.
> 
> 
> >Bill Gates: "We will stop doing advancements to XP and concentrate on 
> >security flaws instead"
> >
> 
> Provide an accurate and credible reference <snip>

Something you've never done. Not once... ever, you lying
larva-mongering chubby-snorting dumber-than-your-toothless-mother
sphincter-probing beats-off-at-recess sister-panty-sniffin'
pimple-assed unoriginal pathetically-lame dung-slurping
17-year-old-in-5th-grade bobby-sock-wearin' fucktarded suppository.

Oh, and have a happy fuckin' new year you stupid cunt-wart.

Place your next lame here [ ].

On 30 Dec 2003 23:59:36 -0800, netguynw@yahoo.com (Cron) wrote:

>COLA Facts <COLA@facts.not> wrote in message news:<87b00dd940717457b64be7decf9d6758@news.teranews.com>...
>> On 30 Dec 2003 00:42:18 -0800, netguynw@yahoo.com (Cron) wrote:
>> 
>> >COLA Facts <COLA@facts.not> wrote in message news:<07cf3bdd3819a209dbd7d471141c9125@news.teranews.com>...
>> >> On 27 Dec 2003 15:35:42 GMT, rapskat <rapskat@notmail.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >I would like to dedicate this thread to the advancements and milestones 
>> >> >that LGX and OSS has made this year,
>> >> 
>> >> What Milestones?
>> >> 
>> >> Yeah, bullying corporations, stealing code, hacking attempts, supporting
>> >> mischief, growing script kiddies, being a spammer heaven, lousy
>> >> security, being loud and potty mouthed fools.
>> >> 
>> >> That's what "advancements and milestones that LGX and OSS has made this
>> >> year", plain and simple.
>> >> 
>> >> You ignorant clueless fuckin' jackass.
>> >
>> >Oh, // flush.
>> Shut the fuck up, clueless retard.
>
>Ah yes

Good, now wipe your mouth from all the shit that you are eating.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:54:56 -0600, Lin�nut <lin�nut@bone.com> wrote:

>Fearing a spontaneous XP reboot, Liam Slider mumbled this incantation:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:15:32 +0000, COLA Facts wrote:
>> 
>>> You ignorant clueless fuckin' jackass.
>> 
>> When are you ever going to present any facts?
>
>He can't, so he won't.  


Two morons congratulating each other because they are both retards.
You jackasses should date.


ROFLMAO!!!

On 31 Dec 2003 00:15:34 -0800, netguynw@yahoo.com (Cron) wrote:

><Usual Linux teenager raving and run-on rants that have no real value>

ROFLMAO!!!

You are still unable to write without sucking your mom's ugly tits
resulting your posts to be complete garbage.

Get a life, you inbred retarded gimp.

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:54:32 +0100, Johan Lindquist
<spam@smilfinken.net> wrote:

>So anyway, it was like, 01:57 CET Dec 31 2003, you know? Oh, and, yeah,
>Lin�nut was all like, "Dude,
>
>> Is there any way to double-plonk someone in slrn? So I don't even
>> see any responses to this idiot? (koala-moderator I mean, not you
>> Ghost.)
>
>Get the "persistent scoring" patch for slrn from here:
>
><http://www.xs4all.nl/~thunder7/>
>
>Unpack, patch, './configure [..] LIBS=-lgdbm', recompile, yada yada..

Another example of how easy is to install and use software in Linux.

Yeah compile a patch to have something other platforms enjoy with the
default installation of their news readers.

Only idiots who use Linux are this stupid to believe this bullshit.

So anyway, it was like, 22:32 CET Dec 31 2003, you know? Oh, and, yeah,
COLA Facts was all like, "Dude,

> Another example of how easy is to install and use software in Linux.
>
> Yeah compile a patch to have something other platforms enjoy with
> the default installation of their news readers.
>
> Only idiots who use Linux are this stupid to believe this bullshit.

Actually not even we believe that bullshit.

-- 
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 17:08:54 up 23 days, 22:23,  5 users,  load average: 2.18, 2.51, 2.50
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, COLA Facts
<COLA@facts.not>
 wrote
on Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:32:54 GMT
<e80da1f663db8da371915ee771d20995@news.teranews.com>:
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:54:32 +0100, Johan Lindquist
> <spam@smilfinken.net> wrote:
> 
>>So anyway, it was like, 01:57 CET Dec 31 2003, you know? Oh, and, yeah,
>>Lin�nut was all like, "Dude,
>>
>>> Is there any way to double-plonk someone in slrn? So I don't even
>>> see any responses to this idiot? (koala-moderator I mean, not you
>>> Ghost.)

Ah well...guess it's a weakness of mine. :-)

>>
>>Get the "persistent scoring" patch for slrn from here:
>>
>><http://www.xs4all.nl/~thunder7/>
>>
>>Unpack, patch, './configure [..] LIBS=-lgdbm', recompile, yada yada..
> 
> Another example of how easy is to install and use software in Linux.
> 
> Yeah compile a patch to have something other platforms enjoy with the
> default installation of their news readers.
> 
> Only idiots who use Linux are this stupid to believe this bullshit.
> 

"Forte Agent" is on Windows by default?!  Wow.  I wonder if
Forte knows it's been acquired by Microsoft.

Most likely you're the beneficiary of a bundling deal.

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
It's still legal to go .sigless.

COLA Facts wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:57:01 -1000, POOP <iwantuniqueemail@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>--
>>POOP
>>Registered Linux user #314060
>>
>>POOP Inside
> 
> 
> ROFLMAO!!!!
> 
> Enough said.

What, that there are 314,060+ linux zealots ready to attack you COLA facts?

That was not a threat.
-- 
You will meet an important person who will help you advance professionally.

Lin�nut wrote:

> And, since I'm on vacaction, I'm revelling in being Windows-free.
> (I will have to get this Ctrl-Alt-Del problem solved so that I can
> do my time sheet, however.)

Suggestion. Replace the similar line in /etc/inittab with this.
ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/usr/games/nethack

Haven't tested it yet, but I think it will be a great productivity boost.
Now I can launch Nethack more easily.
-- 
Life is to you a dashing and bold adventure.

Vogon wrote: 
> Learn how to spell you twit!
> You mean X-fonts stupid, beauty was never the issue for X, just power and
> functionality, besides, X is an server.
> Nowadays the X gui's is just getting more and more beautiful and MS copies
> them as never before (just take a glimpse on the screenshots from
> Longhorn.)

Longhorn seems to be copying MacOS X and the retarded Windows shell addons.
Kind of an oxymoron. MacOS X, pretty and refined. As for shell addons,
they're all useless. An updated Program/File manager combo would be more
useful than Explorer.
-- 
You are standing on my toes.

Peter Jensen wrote:

> Lin�nut wrote:
> 
>>>> Right now, I'm wrestling with a kernel compile (doing over VNC on a
>>>> little crap box that could barely handle Win98).
>>> 
>>> Let me get this straight, you're doing a kernel compile over *VNC*?
>>> Why?
>> 
>> Why not?  The files being compiled are all on the host doing the
>> compile.  I'm just using VNC as a remote desktop.
>> 
>> The only reason I'm even using VNC is that the other machine is on a
>> desk that is of the wrong height, the keyboard is crappy, and the
>> monitor is too small.  Plus I don't have to physically roll my chair
>> the meter that separates the two machines. <grin>
> 
> I was just thinking that a simple ssh into the box would be *far*
> simpler, if a kernel compile was all you were doing.  And if any X apps
> were needed (not for the kernel compile), then simply use '-CX' with
> 'ssh'.  Experience tells me that compressed X forwarding is faster and
> more responsive than VNC.  On a LAN it's even faster without
> compression.

Well, if the computer is so crap, why don't you compile on a better machine
and copy it over?
-- 
Life is to you a dashing and bold adventure.