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This Person Has a LOT of Wisdom Concerning Linux and the Linux Community. MUST READ!

Watch the COLA freetards scatter like vermin because while this
person rambles and at times is a little disjointed, he/she has
the Linux community and why Linux will fail, down cold...




http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,1783.0.html



***************QUOTED TEXT ***************************

I think most Linux supporters don��t notice it themselves, but,
their thinking is very clearly totalitarian.

You know how the German Democratic Republic, the communistic
Germany, that existed after world war 2 until the fall of the
wall, called the Berlin wall? ��antifaschistischer Schutzwall��.
That means ��anti-fascistic protective barrier��. So, in their
lingo, the wall protected the ��good�� GDR against the evil
capitalistic Germany, the federal republic of Germany.

But, clearly, the fascistic one was the GDR. This state had
secret police, torture rooms etc.

The same thing with north and south Korea basicaly. Have you
seen North Korean propaganda?

That is exactly what George Orwell wrote about. And the ��Linux
community�� has all the ingredients that would classify
totalitarism:

Choice is good, UNTIL you chose something that the party doesn��t
approve! Choice is good if you chose firefox, if you chose IE,
then you��re a moron and you should be blocked and choice is bad!

Manipulation and lies. There are plenty of examples. And when
caught, cry ��FUD��.

Presentation as victims: That one is important. The Linux
community is never at fault you see: FOSS activists cry to this
day, that Ballmer once called the GPL "cancer", while completely
ignoring much worse name callings from their side. Totalitarian
states present themselves as victims always too.

Manipulation of history. Plenty of examples here too. The most
glaring is the myth, that Microsoft started a war against Linux
almost since the dawn of time. That is a blatant lie. The
community hated MS (and other companies) long before they in
turn noticed Linux. You only need to look at linux newsgroups
from 1995 and earlier.

Back in the days, 10-12 years ago, I was a linux ��fan��. Mostly
because I just loved to tinker with the computer, but I almost
immediately realized that Linux won��t win the desktop then. And
it still hasn��t.

But still, I liked Linux.. Until I discovered the Linux
community. When I first read Slashdot in 1999 (or was it 2000?)
and all the other Linux ��communities�� on the net, like the
advocacy newsgroup or heise.de, the German slashdot (I am from
Germany) my love quickly went away. Never have I seen such
ridiculous hateful people before.

Replace the word ��Microsoft�� with ��negro�� and many postings of
the FOSSists would be considered as hatespeech.

The stupid hating of a single company is what drove me
completely away from the ��community��. Yes, MS, pardon, ��M$�� used
some qusestionable tactics.. but hey, it��s the business world.
And I could list dozens of companies right now, who are much
worse, take Monsanto, Exxon, Nestle, pharmacy companies, Nike
with their sweat shop labour, Coca Cola (google coca cola and
south america) and many many others.

Even the beloved IBM dealt with the Nazis:

http://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Strategic-Alliance-Corporation/dp/0609808990/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216890263&sr=8-1

I guess the hate for MS is because the freetards are indeed
that: intellectualy retarded. Yes, they can code (badly), but
that��s about it. They never experienced real evil in this world
and real cruelty, and that��s why they are projecting all their
silly nerd anger at a single company. Like ungrateful little
children who scream at their parents, because they ordered them
to go to bed.

Reading slashdot is like reading crazed postings of cultists.
What was always mind numbing, at least for me, was the
uncritical affirmation that the freetards received for many
years from the media. No one was critical with them. No one gave
them ever a good pounding, they could write total madness, like,
in one year Linux will take over, Bill Gates is the Satan
incarnate, Steve Ballmer is worse than Hitler, and no one wrote
one critical piece. It drove me mad. It was as if the inmates
have taken over the asylum and the doctors are helping them.

And that fu�K self elevation. They are acting, as if they cure
AIDS and cancer with their sloppy coding. As if they are damn
heroes in a epic war, UGH.


Like some commenters already posted here, Linux resembles more
like a cult than anything else. If you��re thinking Linux and
FOSS is primarily about technology, then you��re dead wrong.
After almost a decade of experience with the beloved community,
it��s clear to me, that Linux is a lost cause. Because much of it
is based just on hate. Hate for MS, hate for commercial vendors,
traditional Unix companies, commercialism, RIAA, MPAA or whoever
the main antagonist is at the moment, it doesn��t matter. Much of
the main motivation for many in the FOSS movement is indeed just
hate, hate and nothing else but hate.

And that is why they will fail. Linux has only around 0.9%
market share on the desktop, and stagnating at that since a
decade. And that is good so, because hate just will and cannot
be successful. And it should not be successful.

I have years of experience with reading and posting on slashdot,
heise, newsgroups and other places. I know how they tick. A few
reads or postings in these places will do nothing. But, if
you��re years into it, you discover the thinking. It took me a
while to shackle all the FOSS propaganda off me, once I
understood what��s it really is about.

Fortunately, the likes of Stallman are quite frank about it, a
bit more so than in the past. So, let��s look what Stallman is
saying:

The guru in his own words: (On the 25th anniversary of GNU)

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/compromise.html

��The free software movement aims for a social change: to make
all
software free so that all software users are free and can be
part of
a community of cooperation. Every non-free program gives its
developer unjust power over the users. Our goal is to put an end
to
that injustice.��

�X-

Read that stuff! read it slowy: ��Every
non-free program gives its developer unjust power over the
users. Our
goal is to put an end to that injustice��

That is totaly crazy.

Damn shit, a FPS or MS word is an INJUSTICE that has to be put
��to an end��?

Look at the words ��unjust power��, ��injustice��!

Such a choice of words almost is a scandal. Writing commercial
closed source programs is put to the same level as poverty,
epidemics and genocide, or what would you describe as ��unjust
power�� and injustice��?

And more from his article:

�X-

��The road to freedom is a long road. It will take many steps and
many
years to reach a world in which it is normal for software users
to
have freedom. Some of these steps are hard, and require
sacrifice.
Some steps become easier if we make compromises with people that
have
different goals��

�X-

Something like that could be put on the Amnesty International
site, if it would be about torture. You just need to change a
few words:

��The road to abolish torture is a long road. It will take many
steps
and many years to reach a world in which it is normal for the
police
not to tortue. Some of these steps are hard, and require
sacrifice.
Some steps become easier if we make compromises with people that
have
different goals��

Et Voila.

This could be put on the AI site. And indeed, for the Amnesty
International site it would be appropiate but it is completely
crazy and mad and impudent by Stallman and his FSF footmen to
put such a text on their website.

And still more from Stallman:

�X
��Our goal is a world in which software users are free, but as
yet
most computer users do not even recognize freedom as an issue.
They
have taken up ��consumer�� values, which means they judge any
program
only on practical effects such as price and convenience��
�X

So, the people don��t recognize freedom, but in time we will make
them recognize it! And if they don��t want freedom, we will force
them to take it! Proletariats of the world, unite! Humans are
stupid and don��t recognize freedom as an issue, but our great
chairman Stallman will make them recognize it.

And more:

�X�V

��The philosophy of open source presupposes and appeals to
consumer
values, and this affirms and reinforces them. That��s why we do
not
support ��open source��.��

�X�X

Oh dang. the foundation for bloody rivalries is laid! Free
Software and Open Source are two different things as it seems.
In the future, must the Open Source leaders flee to Mexico,
after the Free Software guru will ascend the throne?

And more from Stallman:

�X�V

��For instance, experience shows that you can attract some users
to
GNU/Linux if you include some non-free programs. This could mean
a
cute non-free application that will catch some user��s eye, or a
non-free programming platform such as Java (formerly) or the
Flash
runtime (still), or a non-free device driver that enables
support for
certain hardware models.

These compromises are tempting, but they undermine the goal. If
you
distribute non-free software, or steer people towards it, you
will
find it hard to say, ��Non-free software is an injustice, a
social
problem, and we must put an end to it.�� And even if you do
continue
to say those words, your actions will undermine them��

�X�X-

By now, every employee, who would have read such drivel from his
boss, would have called a psychiatrist and made a date for him.
Unfortunately, the lackeys at the FSF didn��t do it.

Read aloud what Stallman wrote: Non-free
software is an injustice, a social problem, and we must put an
end to
it!

Madness. Pure madness and insanity.

Thus, closed source software is according to Stallman an
��injustice��, is a ��social problem�� and needs to be put to an
end. The choice of words is just perverted. Closed source
software is put to the same levels as cancer, poverty and
hunger.

This is fascistic thinking in its pure form. And the other
��thinkers�� like John Hall, ��ESR�� and others are not far from
this absurd positions.


I once once posted some Stallman crap with almost the same
wording on a popular linux forum, and asked, if it is really ok
to compare closed source software to ��injustice�� and social
problems. Around the half said, they don��t agree. Another half
said, they do agree.

And if a half in a very popular linux forum (heise.de, German
language) don��t find it absurd to compare closed source software
to ��social problems�� then.. wow.

Here is some other ��RMS�� drivel:

http://www.linux.com/feature/44465

Quote:

��Non-free programs are dangerous to you and to your community.
Don��t let them get a place in your life. ��

Now, many complained about that in the comments section. But,
quite a few didn��t object at all and AGREED to that.. If a
��community�� is so bat shit insane, that quite many of them agree
to fascist theories, that all software should be the way some
dictators propose, and all other types of software are
��injustice��, ��social problems�� and ��dangerous�� and should be
��put to an end�� then fuck that.

Let��s go away from Stallman. Let��s take another ��thinker��. Let��s
take Jon ��maddog�� Hall:

http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/blogs/paw_prints_writings_of_the_maddog/universities_that_do_not_use_free_software_time_for_a_boycott

QUOTE FROM SITE:

�X�X�X�X�X�V

��I received an email recently from a young man in Brazil who
wanted me to come to his university and talk to the students and
faculty about using Free Software. I am normally happy to advise
universities to use Free Software, but usually this is done in
conjunction with some large conference held at the university or
some other venue. I just do not have the time to visit each and
every school. But I did investigate the university of the
student and found that Microsoft was indeed a sponsor of the
University. In fact, the university had a large banner on the
front page of their web site talking about Microsoft as a
partner. It was the first time I saw a university advertising a
commercial firm on their home page.

I started doing a little more investigation of the student��s
city and found that there was another university in the same
city that was very active with Free Software. In fact, they had
a mirror of Debian software and were actively promoting Free
Software.

At first I thought that perhaps the two universities could join
forces and put on a ��Free Software Day�� where I could give a
talk. Then I thought that perhaps the professors from the ��Free
Software�� university could talk to the professors from the
��Microsoft�� university and convince the latter faculty on the
benefits of using Free Software to teach students or do
research. But the more I thought about the topic, the more I
thought this was the wrong approach.

The time has now come for a boycott of universities that use
closed source, proprietary software. ��

�X�X�X�X�V

QUOTE END

So, this quote especialy:
�X
��At first I thought that perhaps the two universities could join
forces and put on a ��Free Software Day�� where I could give a
talk. Then I thought that perhaps the professors from the ��Free
Software�� university could talk to the professors from the
��Microsoft�� university and convince the latter faculty on the
benefits of using Free Software to teach students or do
research.

......

But the more I thought about the topic, the more I thought this
was the wrong approach.

The time has now come for a boycott of universities that use
closed source, proprietary software

��
�X

Is again spoken like a true fascist would do. They are so full
of themselves, that they don��t even think for a second, that
maybe, maybe, their approach is not the only one in the world.
No, in their thinking, their approach is of course the ONLY
RIGHT WAY. Why should only the professor of the Free Software
university talk to the Microsoft university, to convince the
latter on the benefits of Free Software?

Couldn��t in theory the MS professor convince the Free Software
professor to use MS Software?

No, of course not! Since, MS software (and all other closed
source software) is inherently evil, as we all know, and alone
the thought that it could go the other way around, than his
proposal doesn��t cross ��maddog's�� mind for a second.

By the way, he is wrong about the MS university being the only
one, I know in Germany alone many universites with sponsored
software from MS and other vedondors, shows again how much
knowledge these guys really have.

But the most important part of it is the comments section of the
article, look again how many AGREE again on stuff like this.
Mind numbing.

I agree that not all people and slashdot and the like are free
software fanatics, but, quite a few are. And these ��quite a few��
people don��t deserve the support they receive. I am a bit
baffled, why no serious journalist took the time to read all the
crazy shit Stallman and Hall and other open source ��founding
fathers�� write. Oh, wait. I think I know the answer:

One journalist once took indeed the time, and wrote a criticial
pieces about Stallman:

http://members.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104.html?token=MjMgTWFyIDIwMDcgMjM6MDg6MTMgKzAwMDA%253D

Quotes:

�X�X�X�V

Stallman��s hold on the Linux movement stems from the radical
group he formed in 1985: the Free Software Foundation. The
Boston outfit, which he still runs, is guided by a ��manifesto��
he published that year, urging programmers (hackers) to join his
socialist crusade. The group made Stallman a cult hero among
hackers�Vand ended up holding licensing rights to crucial
software components that make up the Linux system

[....]

Simon Lok, chief of Lok Technology in San Jose, Calif., a maker
of cheap wireless-networking gear, dumped Linux a few years ago
in fear of the Stallman bunch. ��I said, ��One day these jackasses
will do something extreme, and it��s going to kill us.�� Now it��s
coming to fruition,�� Lok says. ��Some of this stuff is just
madness. These guys are fanatics.�� He adds: ��Who do these people
think they are?��

[...]

But then, Richard Stallman rarely is pragmatic�Vand in some ways
he is downright bizarre. He is corpulent and slovenly, with
long, scraggly hair, strands of which he has been known to pluck
out and toss into a bowl of soup he is eating. His own Web site
(www.stallman.org) says Stallman engages in what he calls
��rhinophytophilia���V��nasal sex�� (also his term) with flowers; he
brags of offending a bunch of techies from Texas Instruments
(nyse: TXN - news - people ) by plunging his schnoz into a
bouquet at dinner and inviting them to do the same.

His site also boasts a recording of him singing�Va capella and
badly�Vhis own anthem to free software. (��Hoarders can get piles
of money / that is true, hackers, that is true. / But they
cannot help their neighbors, that��s not good, hackers, that��s
not gooood,�� he warbles, which culminates in polite applause
from his followers.) He hasn��t hacked much new code in a decade
or more. Instead he travels the world to give speeches and pull
publicity stunts, donning robes and a halo to appear as a
character he calls ��St. IGNUcius�� and offer blessings to his
followers. (GNU, coined in his first manifesto, is pronounced
��Ga-NEW�� and stands for ��Gnu��s Not Unix��; the central Linux
license is known as the GNU license.)

And though he styles himself as a crusader for tech ��freedom,��
Stallman labors mightily to control how others think, speak and
act, arguing, in Orwellian doublespeak, that his rules are
necessary for people to be ��free.�� He won��t speak to reporters
unless they agree to call the operating system ��GNU/Linux,�� not
Linux. He urges his adherents to avoid such terms as
��intellectual property�� and touts ��four freedoms�� he has sworn
to defend, numbering them 0, 1, 2 and 3. In June Stallman
attempted to barge into the residence of the French prime
minister to protest a copyright bill, then unrolled a petition
in a Paris street while his adoring fans snapped photos.
�X�X�X�V

Now, after writing this and other somewhat negative articles
about FOSS, which are essentialy true, read the above craziness
by Stallman himself (��unjust software�� etc.) this journalist
(Dan Lyons) was basicaly crucified.

Fake blogs by his name appeared, google bombs to link his name
to questionable material appeared and many other nasty stuff. It
must have been hell.

At the end, he BEGGED for forgivenes, to make it stop:

http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/25/2033213

��In what many will consider either a total change of heart (or
complete BS), Forbes columnist Dan Lyons was caught on video by
Linux.com (also owned by Sourceforge) at a recent conference
professing his undying love for Linux. The words, ��pry it out of
my hands at gunpoint�� were even used at one point.

[...]

In any case, old-hippie sentiments aside, Dan Lyons says that
despite the many attacks on him as a supposedly anti-Linux
attack dog, he loves Linux. And uses it. And that he has trouble
understanding why anyone would think he doesn��t love Linux. ����

�X

He begs for ��forgiveness�� to the crowd, almost like the victims
in show trials in Stalin��s Russia were made to do! What the hell
of a pressure must the man had gone through, to ��confess�� to a
camera, that he ��loves Linux�� (to make the attacks stop)

They are the worst bullies imaginable. And at the same time they
fantasize that they are victims of a huge conspiracy, the crazed
freaks from Boycott Novell and their prime queen, Roy
Schestowitz, are the best examples of this mind set. But while
they are the best example, they are of course not alone. In
their mind set, anyone who disagrees with the FOSS world view
just must be a "shill", "astro turfer" and what not. Again, it
just doesn't cross their mind for a second, that you don't have
to a be a MS employee to disagree with the fascist theories of
the great Stallman and his henchmen.
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Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Moshe Goldfarb
wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:



> Watch the COLA freetards scatter like vermin because while this


Has your ISP agreed to post your rants?

Its illegal now in USA to post asstroturfing material on behalf
of corporations whilst disguising identity. Same in EU as well.

Please post your real identity and home address to settle this matter
legally by corporations that are harmed by your rants.


Micoshaft names RHAT and Canonical as their enemies!
----------------------------------------------------

BEAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

They got nothin better to do?

I'm thinking about that RHAT advert...

�First�they�laugh�at�us
��Then�they�fight�us
���Then�we�win

So we are now at stage 2 where micoshaft is picking a fight
by naming RHAT and Canonical as their enemies.
A few days earlier they named Intel and HP as enemies too.
And Google? - yet another enemy that has destroyed
a large chunk of micoshaft already.
Looks like micoshaft is catching its death from all around.

And only a few days ago micoshaft's Balmer claimed micoshaft
has been fighting Linux for YEARS!!!!
Thats despite all the trolls.

Verbosity makes things unclear.

Either Balmer is lying, or the windummy trolls are lying
or both are liars as Linux continues its meteoric rise
and micoshaft revenue heads south.

Windummy loons all thrown into the trollard soup after
years of lying about Micoshaft claiming it doesn't care about
Linux or that Linux is too insignificant when it was
the exact opposite.

As micoshaft sales have lost 30% of market.
how does micoshaft define competing with Linux?

It can't be anything serious.
All we see here are a bunch of windummy trolls ranting
anti-Linux slogans.
Is that what micoshaft calls competing with Linux?
Is that how they lost 30% market share to Linux?

I am sure all reporters, journalists, bloggers,
Linux engineers, and big bosses of big companies
would all like to know now what Balmer meant by
competing with Linux. Please define.

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8/5/2009 8:50:38 PM
Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> (...)
> I think most Linux supporters don’t notice it themselves, but,
> their thinking is very clearly totalitarian.
> (...)

"I think most Linux supporters"...?! Does he know "most Linux supporters"?
No, he does not. A text full of ignorance and prejudice with little else,
at least the first half I have read. Another "MUST READ!" not worth the
time needed to read or comment in depth.

Regards.

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nomail6807 (1699)
8/5/2009 9:20:39 PM
Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> Watch the COLA freetards scatter like vermin because while this
> person rambles and at times is a little disjointed, he/she has
> the Linux community and why Linux will fail, down cold...
> 
> http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,1783.0.html

- and going via the Home page of that site, we see:-

========================================
 The New Linux Sucks Website
« on: February 14, 2008, 02:37:36 am »

Hello and Welcome to Linsux.org - A website dedicated to how much linux
sucks.

Linsux.org was started by some ex members of linuxsucks.org in an attempt to
create a new and improved place for Linux haters to come together and chat.
Our goal is to have a clean and professional website, which is fully
maintained and updated.

Here is a list of improvements this new site has over the old
linuxsucks.org:

    * A new and full featured website design based on phpBB3
    * Active maintainers who take the time to look after the website
    * Chat about other shitty OS's, such as FreeBSD and Solaris
    * A forum dedicated to the great Microsoft OS, Windows
    * User submittable news
===========================================
 Become a Linsux.org Writer
« on: March 12, 2009, 11:25:52 pm »

Want to be a content writer here? Apply now.

Requirements:

Must hate linux and or the linux community
Must be funny or SERIOUS BUSINESS!

Reply to apply, try posting some of your content, so we can tell how much
you suck.
============================================

Says it all really, doesn't it?
Very much the sort of site at which one would expect to find Flatfish in his
various guises?

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bbgruff (6628)
8/5/2009 9:35:48 PM
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:20:39 +0100, Lusotec wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> (...)
>> I think most Linux supporters don�t notice it themselves, but,
>> their thinking is very clearly totalitarian.
>> (...)
> 
> "I think most Linux supporters"...?! Does he know "most Linux supporters"?
> No, he does not. A text full of ignorance and prejudice with little else,
> at least the first half I have read. Another "MUST READ!" not worth the
> time needed to read or comment in depth.
> 
> Regards.

As predicted.......
Run and hide.
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/5/2009 9:49:26 PM
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:35:48 +0100, bbgruff wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> 
>> Watch the COLA freetards scatter like vermin because while this
>> person rambles and at times is a little disjointed, he/she has
>> the Linux community and why Linux will fail, down cold...
>> 
>> http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,1783.0.html
> 
> - and going via the Home page of that site, we see:-
> 
> ========================================
>  The New Linux Sucks Website
> � on: February 14, 2008, 02:37:36 am �
> 
> Hello and Welcome to Linsux.org - A website dedicated to how much linux
> sucks.
> 
> Linsux.org was started by some ex members of linuxsucks.org in an attempt to
> create a new and improved place for Linux haters to come together and chat.
> Our goal is to have a clean and professional website, which is fully
> maintained and updated.
> 
> Here is a list of improvements this new site has over the old
> linuxsucks.org:
> 
>     * A new and full featured website design based on phpBB3
>     * Active maintainers who take the time to look after the website
>     * Chat about other shitty OS's, such as FreeBSD and Solaris
>     * A forum dedicated to the great Microsoft OS, Windows
>     * User submittable news
> ===========================================
>  Become a Linsux.org Writer
> � on: March 12, 2009, 11:25:52 pm �
> 
> Want to be a content writer here? Apply now.
> 
> Requirements:
> 
> Must hate linux and or the linux community
> Must be funny or SERIOUS BUSINESS!
> 
> Reply to apply, try posting some of your content, so we can tell how much
> you suck.
> ============================================
> 
> Says it all really, doesn't it?
> Very much the sort of site at which one would expect to find Flatfish in his
> various guises?

Yep....

And had he posted it to BN would it be any different?

Regardless of what site it is posted to, the guy does what you
Linux freetards in COLA have yet to do on a regular basis.

Back up your claims with links...
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/5/2009 9:50:29 PM
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:56:50 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, Lusotec belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:
> 
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>> (...)
>>> I think most Linux supporters don???t notice it themselves, but,
>>> their thinking is very clearly totalitarian.
>>> (...)
>>
>> "I think most Linux supporters"...?! Does he know "most Linux supporters"?
>> No, he does not. A text full of ignorance and prejudice with little else,
>> at least the first half I have read. Another "MUST READ!" not worth the
>> time needed to read or comment in depth.
> 
> It's almost guaranteed that a "Moshe Goldfarb" post isn't worth the
> electrons needed to read it.

Yet you read every single one of them MiniWitz...

You just don't have the balls to reply first party so you go the
3rd party route.

The fact that this guy has already made 3 of you scatter like
vermin in denial shows the guys "thesis" has hit a number of
nerves.

IOW you vermin see yourselves and you don't like what you see so
you pretend it doesn't exist and run back to the safe confines
of COLA.
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/5/2009 9:54:50 PM
After takin' a swig o' grog, Moshe Goldfarb belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> Watch the COLA freetards scatter like vermin because while this
> person rambles and at times is a little disjointed, he/she has
> the Linux community and why Linux will fail, down cold...
>
> http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,1783.0.html

Instant asshole.  Just add alcohol.

Snipped unread.

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	sheep bites you?
A:	Ewe nicks.
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/5/2009 9:55:42 PM
After takin' a swig o' grog, Lusotec belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> (...)
>> I think most Linux supporters don???t notice it themselves, but,
>> their thinking is very clearly totalitarian.
>> (...)
>
> "I think most Linux supporters"...?! Does he know "most Linux supporters"?
> No, he does not. A text full of ignorance and prejudice with little else,
> at least the first half I have read. Another "MUST READ!" not worth the
> time needed to read or comment in depth.

It's almost guaranteed that a "Moshe Goldfarb" post isn't worth the
electrons needed to read it.

-- 
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/5/2009 9:56:50 PM
After takin' a swig o' grog, bbgruff belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
> ============================================
>
> Says it all really, doesn't it?
> Very much the sort of site at which one would expect to find Flatfish in his
> various guises?

These guys are self-nuking.

-- 
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		-- Shakespeare
To do is to be.
		-- Nietzsche
To be is to do.
		-- Sartre
Do be do be do.
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/5/2009 9:57:52 PM
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:57:52 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, bbgruff belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:
> 
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>> ============================================
>>
>> Says it all really, doesn't it?
>> Very much the sort of site at which one would expect to find Flatfish in his
>> various guises?
> 
> These guys are self-nuking.

Says you, which is effectively nobody.

You're on the offense MiniWitz because you've made a fool of
yourself in several threads, the compile as root one in
particular, so now you are gathering the Linux Mafia to try and
discredit those who have rope-a-doped you.

Hahaha!

Go ahead, see if we care.
Your own posts on that subject, amongst others, speak volumes
about how little you and some of your cohorts actually know
about Linux.

I love the post claiming "I don't mind running unknown programs
as root because I have backups".
Yea....
Sure...

That's great system admin practice.

But, ya'll will continue to suck up to each other like one
enormous teet that has the umbilical cord attached to Racine
Schestowitz.

It's quite humorous to watch.

Not quite as humerous as watching HPT claim Roy Schestowitz
wasn't set up with that fake email about Gary Stewart though.

HPT should have checked Roy's site, because to Roy's credit he
did at least admit he was set up. Which BTW is why I essentially
left Roy alone on that topic. The point was made.

You fools just categorically back each other without even
bothering to read or check the posts which ultimately makes
ya'll look like fools.

And you MiniWitz are by far the worst one of the lot.




I think most Linux supporters don��t notice it themselves, but,
their thinking is very clearly totalitarian.

You know how the German Democratic Republic, the communistic
Germany, that existed after world war 2 until the fall of the
wall, called the Berlin wall? ��antifaschistischer Schutzwall��.
That means ��anti-fascistic protective barrier��. So, in their
lingo, the wall protected the ��good�� GDR against the evil
capitalistic Germany, the federal republic of Germany.

But, clearly, the fascistic one was the GDR. This state had
secret police, torture rooms etc.

The same thing with north and south Korea basicaly. Have you
seen North Korean propaganda?

That is exactly what George Orwell wrote about. And the ��Linux
community�� has all the ingredients that would classify
totalitarism:

Choice is good, UNTIL you chose something that the party doesn��t
approve! Choice is good if you chose firefox, if you chose IE,
then you��re a moron and you should be blocked and choice is bad!

Manipulation and lies. There are plenty of examples. And when
caught, cry ��FUD��.

Presentation as victims: That one is important. The Linux
community is never at fault you see: FOSS activists cry to this
day, that Ballmer once called the GPL "cancer", while completely
ignoring much worse name callings from their side. Totalitarian
states present themselves as victims always too.

Manipulation of history. Plenty of examples here too. The most
glaring is the myth, that Microsoft started a war against Linux
almost since the dawn of time. That is a blatant lie. The
community hated MS (and other companies) long before they in
turn noticed Linux. You only need to look at linux newsgroups
from 1995 and earlier.

Back in the days, 10-12 years ago, I was a linux ��fan��. Mostly
because I just loved to tinker with the computer, but I almost
immediately realized that Linux won��t win the desktop then. And
it still hasn��t.

But still, I liked Linux.. Until I discovered the Linux
community. When I first read Slashdot in 1999 (or was it 2000?)
and all the other Linux ��communities�� on the net, like the
advocacy newsgroup or heise.de, the German slashdot (I am from
Germany) my love quickly went away. Never have I seen such
ridiculous hateful people before.

Replace the word ��Microsoft�� with ��negro�� and many postings of
the FOSSists would be considered as hatespeech.

The stupid hating of a single company is what drove me
completely away from the ��community��. Yes, MS, pardon, ��M$�� used
some qusestionable tactics.. but hey, it��s the business world.
And I could list dozens of companies right now, who are much
worse, take Monsanto, Exxon, Nestle, pharmacy companies, Nike
with their sweat shop labour, Coca Cola (google coca cola and
south america) and many many others.

Even the beloved IBM dealt with the Nazis:

http://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Strategic-Alliance-Corporation/dp/0609808990/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216890263&sr=8-1

I guess the hate for MS is because the freetards are indeed
that: intellectualy retarded. Yes, they can code (badly), but
that��s about it. They never experienced real evil in this world
and real cruelty, and that��s why they are projecting all their
silly nerd anger at a single company. Like ungrateful little
children who scream at their parents, because they ordered them
to go to bed.

Reading slashdot is like reading crazed postings of cultists.
What was always mind numbing, at least for me, was the
uncritical affirmation that the freetards received for many
years from the media. No one was critical with them. No one gave
them ever a good pounding, they could write total madness, like,
in one year Linux will take over, Bill Gates is the Satan
incarnate, Steve Ballmer is worse than Hitler, and no one wrote
one critical piece. It drove me mad. It was as if the inmates
have taken over the asylum and the doctors are helping them.

And that fu�K self elevation. They are acting, as if they cure
AIDS and cancer with their sloppy coding. As if they are damn
heroes in a epic war, UGH.


Like some commenters already posted here, Linux resembles more
like a cult than anything else. If you��re thinking Linux and
FOSS is primarily about technology, then you��re dead wrong.
After almost a decade of experience with the beloved community,
it��s clear to me, that Linux is a lost cause. Because much of it
is based just on hate. Hate for MS, hate for commercial vendors,
traditional Unix companies, commercialism, RIAA, MPAA or whoever
the main antagonist is at the moment, it doesn��t matter. Much of
the main motivation for many in the FOSS movement is indeed just
hate, hate and nothing else but hate.

And that is why they will fail. Linux has only around 0.9%
market share on the desktop, and stagnating at that since a
decade. And that is good so, because hate just will and cannot
be successful. And it should not be successful.

I have years of experience with reading and posting on slashdot,
heise, newsgroups and other places. I know how they tick. A few
reads or postings in these places will do nothing. But, if
you��re years into it, you discover the thinking. It took me a
while to shackle all the FOSS propaganda off me, once I
understood what��s it really is about.

Fortunately, the likes of Stallman are quite frank about it, a
bit more so than in the past. So, let��s look what Stallman is
saying:

The guru in his own words: (On the 25th anniversary of GNU)

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/compromise.html

��The free software movement aims for a social change: to make
all
software free so that all software users are free and can be
part of
a community of cooperation. Every non-free program gives its
developer unjust power over the users. Our goal is to put an end
to
that injustice.��

�X-

Read that stuff! read it slowy: ��Every
non-free program gives its developer unjust power over the
users. Our
goal is to put an end to that injustice��

That is totaly crazy.

Damn shit, a FPS or MS word is an INJUSTICE that has to be put
��to an end��?

Look at the words ��unjust power��, ��injustice��!

Such a choice of words almost is a scandal. Writing commercial
closed source programs is put to the same level as poverty,
epidemics and genocide, or what would you describe as ��unjust
power�� and injustice��?

And more from his article:

�X-

��The road to freedom is a long road. It will take many steps and
many
years to reach a world in which it is normal for software users
to
have freedom. Some of these steps are hard, and require
sacrifice.
Some steps become easier if we make compromises with people that
have
different goals��

�X-

Something like that could be put on the Amnesty International
site, if it would be about torture. You just need to change a
few words:

��The road to abolish torture is a long road. It will take many
steps
and many years to reach a world in which it is normal for the
police
not to tortue. Some of these steps are hard, and require
sacrifice.
Some steps become easier if we make compromises with people that
have
different goals��

Et Voila.

This could be put on the AI site. And indeed, for the Amnesty
International site it would be appropiate but it is completely
crazy and mad and impudent by Stallman and his FSF footmen to
put such a text on their website.

And still more from Stallman:

�X
��Our goal is a world in which software users are free, but as
yet
most computer users do not even recognize freedom as an issue.
They
have taken up ��consumer�� values, which means they judge any
program
only on practical effects such as price and convenience��
�X

So, the people don��t recognize freedom, but in time we will make
them recognize it! And if they don��t want freedom, we will force
them to take it! Proletariats of the world, unite! Humans are
stupid and don��t recognize freedom as an issue, but our great
chairman Stallman will make them recognize it.

And more:

�X�V

��The philosophy of open source presupposes and appeals to
consumer
values, and this affirms and reinforces them. That��s why we do
not
support ��open source��.��

�X�X

Oh dang. the foundation for bloody rivalries is laid! Free
Software and Open Source are two different things as it seems.
In the future, must the Open Source leaders flee to Mexico,
after the Free Software guru will ascend the throne?

And more from Stallman:

�X�V

��For instance, experience shows that you can attract some users
to
GNU/Linux if you include some non-free programs. This could mean
a
cute non-free application that will catch some user��s eye, or a
non-free programming platform such as Java (formerly) or the
Flash
runtime (still), or a non-free device driver that enables
support for
certain hardware models.

These compromises are tempting, but they undermine the goal. If
you
distribute non-free software, or steer people towards it, you
will
find it hard to say, ��Non-free software is an injustice, a
social
problem, and we must put an end to it.�� And even if you do
continue
to say those words, your actions will undermine them��

�X�X-

By now, every employee, who would have read such drivel from his
boss, would have called a psychiatrist and made a date for him.
Unfortunately, the lackeys at the FSF didn��t do it.

Read aloud what Stallman wrote: Non-free
software is an injustice, a social problem, and we must put an
end to
it!

Madness. Pure madness and insanity.

Thus, closed source software is according to Stallman an
��injustice��, is a ��social problem�� and needs to be put to an
end. The choice of words is just perverted. Closed source
software is put to the same levels as cancer, poverty and
hunger.

This is fascistic thinking in its pure form. And the other
��thinkers�� like John Hall, ��ESR�� and others are not far from
this absurd positions.


I once once posted some Stallman crap with almost the same
wording on a popular linux forum, and asked, if it is really ok
to compare closed source software to ��injustice�� and social
problems. Around the half said, they don��t agree. Another half
said, they do agree.

And if a half in a very popular linux forum (heise.de, German
language) don��t find it absurd to compare closed source software
to ��social problems�� then.. wow.

Here is some other ��RMS�� drivel:

http://www.linux.com/feature/44465

Quote:

��Non-free programs are dangerous to you and to your community.
Don��t let them get a place in your life. ��

Now, many complained about that in the comments section. But,
quite a few didn��t object at all and AGREED to that.. If a
��community�� is so bat shit insane, that quite many of them agree
to fascist theories, that all software should be the way some
dictators propose, and all other types of software are
��injustice��, ��social problems�� and ��dangerous�� and should be
��put to an end�� then fuck that.

Let��s go away from Stallman. Let��s take another ��thinker��. Let��s
take Jon ��maddog�� Hall:

http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/blogs/paw_prints_writings_of_the_maddog/universities_that_do_not_use_free_software_time_for_a_boycott

QUOTE FROM SITE:

�X�X�X�X�X�V

��I received an email recently from a young man in Brazil who
wanted me to come to his university and talk to the students and
faculty about using Free Software. I am normally happy to advise
universities to use Free Software, but usually this is done in
conjunction with some large conference held at the university or
some other venue. I just do not have the time to visit each and
every school. But I did investigate the university of the
student and found that Microsoft was indeed a sponsor of the
University. In fact, the university had a large banner on the
front page of their web site talking about Microsoft as a
partner. It was the first time I saw a university advertising a
commercial firm on their home page.

I started doing a little more investigation of the student��s
city and found that there was another university in the same
city that was very active with Free Software. In fact, they had
a mirror of Debian software and were actively promoting Free
Software.

At first I thought that perhaps the two universities could join
forces and put on a ��Free Software Day�� where I could give a
talk. Then I thought that perhaps the professors from the ��Free
Software�� university could talk to the professors from the
��Microsoft�� university and convince the latter faculty on the
benefits of using Free Software to teach students or do
research. But the more I thought about the topic, the more I
thought this was the wrong approach.

The time has now come for a boycott of universities that use
closed source, proprietary software. ��

�X�X�X�X�V

QUOTE END

So, this quote especialy:
�X
��At first I thought that perhaps the two universities could join
forces and put on a ��Free Software Day�� where I could give a
talk. Then I thought that perhaps the professors from the ��Free
Software�� university could talk to the professors from the
��Microsoft�� university and convince the latter faculty on the
benefits of using Free Software to teach students or do
research.

......

But the more I thought about the topic, the more I thought this
was the wrong approach.

The time has now come for a boycott of universities that use
closed source, proprietary software

��
�X

Is again spoken like a true fascist would do. They are so full
of themselves, that they don��t even think for a second, that
maybe, maybe, their approach is not the only one in the world.
No, in their thinking, their approach is of course the ONLY
RIGHT WAY. Why should only the professor of the Free Software
university talk to the Microsoft university, to convince the
latter on the benefits of Free Software?

Couldn��t in theory the MS professor convince the Free Software
professor to use MS Software?

No, of course not! Since, MS software (and all other closed
source software) is inherently evil, as we all know, and alone
the thought that it could go the other way around, than his
proposal doesn��t cross ��maddog's�� mind for a second.

By the way, he is wrong about the MS university being the only
one, I know in Germany alone many universites with sponsored
software from MS and other vedondors, shows again how much
knowledge these guys really have.

But the most important part of it is the comments section of the
article, look again how many AGREE again on stuff like this.
Mind numbing.

I agree that not all people and slashdot and the like are free
software fanatics, but, quite a few are. And these ��quite a few��
people don��t deserve the support they receive. I am a bit
baffled, why no serious journalist took the time to read all the
crazy shit Stallman and Hall and other open source ��founding
fathers�� write. Oh, wait. I think I know the answer:

One journalist once took indeed the time, and wrote a criticial
pieces about Stallman:

http://members.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104.html?token=MjMgTWFyIDIwMDcgMjM6MDg6MTMgKzAwMDA%253D

Quotes:

�X�X�X�V

Stallman��s hold on the Linux movement stems from the radical
group he formed in 1985: the Free Software Foundation. The
Boston outfit, which he still runs, is guided by a ��manifesto��
he published that year, urging programmers (hackers) to join his
socialist crusade. The group made Stallman a cult hero among
hackers�Vand ended up holding licensing rights to crucial
software components that make up the Linux system

[....]

Simon Lok, chief of Lok Technology in San Jose, Calif., a maker
of cheap wireless-networking gear, dumped Linux a few years ago
in fear of the Stallman bunch. ��I said, ��One day these jackasses
will do something extreme, and it��s going to kill us.�� Now it��s
coming to fruition,�� Lok says. ��Some of this stuff is just
madness. These guys are fanatics.�� He adds: ��Who do these people
think they are?��

[...]

But then, Richard Stallman rarely is pragmatic�Vand in some ways
he is downright bizarre. He is corpulent and slovenly, with
long, scraggly hair, strands of which he has been known to pluck
out and toss into a bowl of soup he is eating. His own Web site
(www.stallman.org) says Stallman engages in what he calls
��rhinophytophilia���V��nasal sex�� (also his term) with flowers; he
brags of offending a bunch of techies from Texas Instruments
(nyse: TXN - news - people ) by plunging his schnoz into a
bouquet at dinner and inviting them to do the same.

His site also boasts a recording of him singing�Va capella and
badly�Vhis own anthem to free software. (��Hoarders can get piles
of money / that is true, hackers, that is true. / But they
cannot help their neighbors, that��s not good, hackers, that��s
not gooood,�� he warbles, which culminates in polite applause
from his followers.) He hasn��t hacked much new code in a decade
or more. Instead he travels the world to give speeches and pull
publicity stunts, donning robes and a halo to appear as a
character he calls ��St. IGNUcius�� and offer blessings to his
followers. (GNU, coined in his first manifesto, is pronounced
��Ga-NEW�� and stands for ��Gnu��s Not Unix��; the central Linux
license is known as the GNU license.)

And though he styles himself as a crusader for tech ��freedom,��
Stallman labors mightily to control how others think, speak and
act, arguing, in Orwellian doublespeak, that his rules are
necessary for people to be ��free.�� He won��t speak to reporters
unless they agree to call the operating system ��GNU/Linux,�� not
Linux. He urges his adherents to avoid such terms as
��intellectual property�� and touts ��four freedoms�� he has sworn
to defend, numbering them 0, 1, 2 and 3. In June Stallman
attempted to barge into the residence of the French prime
minister to protest a copyright bill, then unrolled a petition
in a Paris street while his adoring fans snapped photos.
�X�X�X�V

Now, after writing this and other somewhat negative articles
about FOSS, which are essentialy true, read the above craziness
by Stallman himself (��unjust software�� etc.) this journalist
(Dan Lyons) was basicaly crucified.

Fake blogs by his name appeared, google bombs to link his name
to questionable material appeared and many other nasty stuff. It
must have been hell.

At the end, he BEGGED for forgivenes, to make it stop:

http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/25/2033213

��In what many will consider either a total change of heart (or
complete BS), Forbes columnist Dan Lyons was caught on video by
Linux.com (also owned by Sourceforge) at a recent conference
professing his undying love for Linux. The words, ��pry it out of
my hands at gunpoint�� were even used at one point.

[...]

In any case, old-hippie sentiments aside, Dan Lyons says that
despite the many attacks on him as a supposedly anti-Linux
attack dog, he loves Linux. And uses it. And that he has trouble
understanding why anyone would think he doesn��t love Linux. ����

�X

He begs for ��forgiveness�� to the crowd, almost like the victims
in show trials in Stalin��s Russia were made to do! What the hell
of a pressure must the man had gone through, to ��confess�� to a
camera, that he ��loves Linux�� (to make the attacks stop)

They are the worst bullies imaginable. And at the same time they
fantasize that they are victims of a huge conspiracy, the crazed
freaks from Boycott Novell and their prime queen, Roy
Schestowitz, are the best examples of this mind set. But while
they are the best example, they are of course not alone. In
their mind set, anyone who disagrees with the FOSS world view
just must be a "shill", "astro turfer" and what not. Again, it
just doesn't cross their mind for a second, that you don't have
to a be a MS employee to disagree with the fascist theories of
the great Stallman and his henchmen.
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/5/2009 10:03:11 PM
Above the whining & shreiking of the trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard
to say:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, Moshe Goldfarb belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Watch the COLA freetards scatter like vermin because while this
>> person rambles and at times is a little disjointed, he/she has
>> the Linux community and why Linux will fail, down cold...
>>
>> http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,1783.0.html
>
> Instant asshole.  Just add alcohol.
>
> Snipped unread.

"linusux.org", yeah, a very unprejudiced site that is. 

Nothing to see folks, move along. 

-- 
MicroSoft Windows... a virus with mouse support

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wp8259 (524)
8/5/2009 10:06:32 PM
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:06:32 -0500, William Poaster wrote:

> Above the whining & shreiking of the trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard
> to say:
> 
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Moshe Goldfarb belched out
>>   this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Watch the COLA freetards scatter like vermin because while this
>>> person rambles and at times is a little disjointed, he/she has
>>> the Linux community and why Linux will fail, down cold...
>>>
>>> http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,1783.0.html
>>
>> Instant asshole.  Just add alcohol.
>>
>> Snipped unread.
> 
> "linusux.org", yeah, a very unprejudiced site that is. 
> 
> Nothing to see folks, move along.

boycottnovell...yea a very unprejudiced site that is.....

You guys just hate hearing the truth about what you really are
and you don't like it when someone outside the klan has you down
to a science.

That post is brilliant when it comes to describing the Linux
community at large.
It really is.

Whether or not a person fits into what the guy is saying
depends.

So far it looks like we have at least 4 perfect matches from
COLA.
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/5/2009 10:14:18 PM
Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> Regardless of what site it is posted to, the guy does what you
> Linux freetards in COLA have yet to do on a regular basis.
> 
> Back up your claims with links...

OK Flatfish - since you missed it, here are a couple of links and quotes
from that very site:-

http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,3.0.html
============================
Here is a list of improvements this new site has over the old
linuxsucks.org:

    * A new and full featured website design based on phpBB3
    * Active maintainers who take the time to look after the website
    * Chat about other shitty OS's, such as FreeBSD and Solaris
    * A forum dedicated to the great Microsoft OS, Windows
    * User submittable news
=============================
Can you read that?
Let me go through it slowly for you, and highlight key words:-

"A list of improvements.....
     * A new and full featured website design based on *phpBB3*
     * Chat about *other* *shitty* OS's, such as *FreeBSD* and Solaris

Still not seen it?

Look at the Home page, where it says "powered by *FreeBSD* " !

Then try the bottom of a page, where it says:-
"Powered by SMF 2.0 RC1.2 | SMF © 2006–2009"

Do I need to go on?
Don't you find it amusing?

It's a site for lunatics, and I think that Flatfish would be far better
employed posting there than here in COLA.





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bbgruff (6628)
8/5/2009 10:20:06 PM
Above the whining & shreiking of the trolls, bbgruff was heard to say:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> Regardless of what site it is posted to, the guy does what you
>> Linux freetards in COLA have yet to do on a regular basis.
>> 
>> Back up your claims with links...
>
> OK Flatfish - since you missed it, here are a couple of links and quotes
> from that very site:-
>
> http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,3.0.html
> ============================
> Here is a list of improvements this new site has over the old
> linuxsucks.org:
>
>     * A new and full featured website design based on phpBB3
>     * Active maintainers who take the time to look after the website
>     * Chat about other shitty OS's, such as FreeBSD and Solaris
>     * A forum dedicated to the great Microsoft OS, Windows
>     * User submittable news
> =============================
> Can you read that?
> Let me go through it slowly for you, and highlight key words:-
>
> "A list of improvements.....
>      * A new and full featured website design based on *phpBB3*
>      * Chat about *other* *shitty* OS's, such as *FreeBSD* and Solaris
>
> Still not seen it?
>
> Look at the Home page, where it says "powered by *FreeBSD* " !
>
> Then try the bottom of a page, where it says:-
> "Powered by SMF 2.0 RC1.2 | SMF © 2006–2009"
>
> Do I need to go on?
> Don't you find it amusing?
>
> It's a site for lunatics, and I think that Flatfish would be far better
> employed posting there than here in COLA.

Oh, absolutely! He'd be at home with the other dribbling idiots that 
probably frequent it.

-- 
Microsoft - some kind of toilet paper?

0
wp8259 (524)
8/5/2009 10:22:46 PM
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:20:06 +0100, bbgruff wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> 
>> Regardless of what site it is posted to, the guy does what you
>> Linux freetards in COLA have yet to do on a regular basis.
>> 
>> Back up your claims with links...
> 
> OK Flatfish - since you missed it, here are a couple of links and quotes
> from that very site:-
> 
> http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,3.0.html
> ============================
> Here is a list of improvements this new site has over the old
> linuxsucks.org:
> 
>     * A new and full featured website design based on phpBB3
>     * Active maintainers who take the time to look after the website
>     * Chat about other shitty OS's, such as FreeBSD and Solaris
>     * A forum dedicated to the great Microsoft OS, Windows
>     * User submittable news
> =============================
> Can you read that?
> Let me go through it slowly for you, and highlight key words:-
> 
> "A list of improvements.....
>      * A new and full featured website design based on *phpBB3*
>      * Chat about *other* *shitty* OS's, such as *FreeBSD* and Solaris
> 
> Still not seen it?
> 
> Look at the Home page, where it says "powered by *FreeBSD* " !
> 
> Then try the bottom of a page, where it says:-
> "Powered by SMF 2.0 RC1.2 | SMF © 2006–2009"
> 
> Do I need to go on?
> Don't you find it amusing?
> 
> It's a site for lunatics, and I think that Flatfish would be far better
> employed posting there than here in COLA.

Once again you miss the entire point.

1. I'm talking about the OP.
Why not address his points instead of focusing on where they are
posted?

You can't, that's why.

So if that was posted on BN it would be valid?
There goes your argument.

2. You *do realize* that the site is mostly, not totally, but
mostly a satire site.  Those guys use BSD/Linux/Windows and so
forth.

What they are doing is making fun of the COMMUNITY and in
particular assholes like Schestowitz and so forth.

3. Several BN stalwarts post on that site. They are regulars on
the BN site and are friends of Schestowitz and a core member of
BN.

So are their posts garbage as well because they post on that
site?

See, there goes your argument again.......

Would you like more?
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/5/2009 10:30:49 PM
Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> Watch the COLA freetards scatter like vermin because while this
> person rambles and at times is a little disjointed, he/she has
> the Linux community and why Linux will fail, down cold...
>
> http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,1783.0.html


Good find, Moshe!

And so true.  Day after day after day on cola we see the same whining and 
lying and MS-blaming idiocy that's mentioned in that article.  And it is a 
pathetic sight.




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nospam11 (18349)
8/6/2009 3:41:35 AM
Moshe Goldfarb <moshegoldfarb@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:57:52 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, bbgruff belched out
>>   this bit o' wisdom:
>> 
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>
>>> ============================================
>>>
>>> Says it all really, doesn't it?
>>> Very much the sort of site at which one would expect to find Flatfish in his
>>> various guises?
>> 
>> These guys are self-nuking.
>
> Says you, which is effectively nobody.
>
> You're on the offense MiniWitz because you've made a fool of
> yourself in several threads, the compile as root one in
> particular, 

Aha. You did read that? Unbelievable. It made me wonder if miniwitz had
ever used Linux.

My favorite was when they all decided (realising I was right and they
were wrong) that it didnt matter since they all "backed up their
system". I had to rub my eyes in disbelief when I read that.
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hadronquark (21814)
8/6/2009 4:51:33 AM
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:41:35 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> Watch the COLA freetards scatter like vermin because while this person
>> rambles and at times is a little disjointed, he/she has the Linux
>> community and why Linux will fail, down cold...
>>
>> http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,1783.0.html
> 
> 
> Good find, Moshe!
> 
> And so true.  Day after day after day on cola we see the same whining
> and lying and MS-blaming idiocy that's mentioned in that article.  And
> it is a pathetic sight.

.... as opposed to your strident attempts to smear Linux based systems and 
users...

-- 
Rick
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none11 (12193)
8/6/2009 5:20:51 AM
On 2009-08-06, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
> My favorite was when they all

Make that some of them. At least not me.

> decided (realising I was right and they
> were wrong) that it didnt matter since they all

Make that most of them. At least not me. Not that I don't do back-ups,
but those are not to recover from problems caused by compiling as
root.

> "backed up their
> system". I had to rub my eyes in disbelief when I read that.

How totally over the top. It sounds like you're talking about hunger,
cancer, torture... :-p

-- 
You'll be called to a post requiring ability in handling groups of people.
0
8/6/2009 8:14:09 AM
Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> Lusotec wrote:
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>> (...)
>>> I think most Linux supporters don’t notice it themselves, but,
>>> their thinking is very clearly totalitarian.
>>> (...)
>> 
>> "I think most Linux supporters"...?! Does he know "most Linux
>> supporters"? No, he does not. A text full of ignorance and prejudice with
>> little else, at least the first half I have read. Another "MUST READ!"
>> not worth the time needed to read or comment in depth.
>> 
>> Regards.
> 
> As predicted.......
> Run and hide.

Since I posted a reply and that was already more than the article was
worthy, "Run and hide" is obviously not the case. 

Post something worthy of my time and we can have a debate. Post
another "ignorance and prejudice" infested text, like the OP, and it will
get a similar answer or, most likely, be completely ignored.

Regards.
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nomail6807 (1699)
8/6/2009 10:02:51 AM
After takin' a swig o' grog, TomB belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> Make that most of them. At least not me. Not that I don't do back-ups,
> but those are not to recover from problems caused by compiling as
> root.

I've compiled many kernel as root (have to, as /usr/src is owned by root and
average users don't have permissions there).

> How totally over the top. It sounds like you're talking about hunger,
> cancer, torture... :-p

Nah, they're just being assholes.  Make that "lying assholes".

Nobody's recommending compiling normal application/library code as root.

All we're saying is that you can, and almost certainly nothing bad will
happen.

And, especially with Bees-in-the-Bonnet, you can explain something a
half-a-dozen times, and he'll /still/ lie about what you said.

-- 
Q:	How many supply-siders does it take to change a light bulb?
A:	None.  The darkness will cause the light bulb to change by itself.
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/6/2009 11:10:30 AM
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>It's almost guaranteed that a "Moshe Goldfarb" post isn't worth the
>electrons needed to read it.

That's for sure.  "Totalitarian" indeed.  Compared to the Micro$oft
monopoly?  It is to laugh.

It's the upside-down world of the lying, Wintrolling asshole...

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chrisv (22840)
8/6/2009 12:49:20 PM
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:41:35 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> Watch the COLA freetards scatter like vermin because while this
>> person rambles and at times is a little disjointed, he/she has
>> the Linux community and why Linux will fail, down cold...
>>
>> http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,1783.0.html
> 
> 
> Good find, Moshe!
> 
> And so true.  Day after day after day on cola we see the same whining and 
> lying and MS-blaming idiocy that's mentioned in that article.  And it is a 
> pathetic sight.

Yep.
The article is right on the money and while I don't agree with
everything the guy says, he is uncannily accurate in his
assessment of the Linux community.

Notice how the freetards jumped right in attacking where the
article was posted?
They are afraid that they see themselves in it.
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/6/2009 2:05:27 PM
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:51:33 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb <moshegoldfarb@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:57:52 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, bbgruff belched out
>>>   this bit o' wisdom:
>>> 
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ============================================
>>>>
>>>> Says it all really, doesn't it?
>>>> Very much the sort of site at which one would expect to find Flatfish in his
>>>> various guises?
>>> 
>>> These guys are self-nuking.
>>
>> Says you, which is effectively nobody.
>>
>> You're on the offense MiniWitz because you've made a fool of
>> yourself in several threads, the compile as root one in
>> particular, 
> 
> Aha. You did read that? Unbelievable. It made me wonder if miniwitz had
> ever used Linux.

I couldn't believe what I was reading!

Having a backup is an excuse to run unknown software as root?

That's insane.
What about the network?
What if something escapes?

etc

I used to think that this group was composed of real Linux tech
types who had sys admin skills at some level above the average
Linux noob.

I no longer believe that.
What we have here is a group of "distribution swappers" who
spend their time loading and unloading the latest versions of
Linux but never really use Linux for anything of importance.
Not everyone, but a good portion of them.

> My favorite was when they all decided (realising I was right and they
> were wrong) that it didnt matter since they all "backed up their
> system". I had to rub my eyes in disbelief when I read that.

See above...

What was learned from this thread is how the Linux Mafia will
start a mob scene to protect one of their own and how they will
fabricate the most insane lies just so they don't have to admit
they said something stupid.

Truly amazing.
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/6/2009 2:10:36 PM
On 2009-08-06, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, TomB belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Make that most of them. At least not me. Not that I don't do back-ups,
>> but those are not to recover from problems caused by compiling as
>> root.
>
> I've compiled many kernel as root (have to, as /usr/src is owned by root and
> average users don't have permissions there).

No you don't. Try the make O=<directory> option and you can compile your
kernel in another build directory as an ordinary user. You need to set
the KBUILD_OUTPUT environment variable to your kernel build directory so
that external modules etc can find your kernel build directory (but
remember to turn it off if you are compiling busybox).

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
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ZekeGregory (6440)
8/6/2009 9:35:26 PM
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:08:31 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:


> Actually, it's been quite awhile since I've hand-built a kernel.  My laptop
> hardware is now old enough to be supported in a quite standard kernel.

But.........
.....we keep hearing about how great Linux supports laptops.
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/7/2009 3:06:39 PM
After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2009-08-06, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, TomB belched out
>>   this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Make that most of them. At least not me. Not that I don't do back-ups,
>>> but those are not to recover from problems caused by compiling as
>>> root.
>>
>> I've compiled many kernel as root (have to, as /usr/src is owned by root and
>> average users don't have permissions there).
>
> No you don't. Try the make O=<directory> option and you can compile your
> kernel in another build directory as an ordinary user. You need to set
> the KBUILD_OUTPUT environment variable to your kernel build directory so
> that external modules etc can find your kernel build directory (but
> remember to turn it off if you are compiling busybox).

Cool.  Glad to learn something new, after all these years of doing it the
same old way without issues.

Actually, it's been quite awhile since I've hand-built a kernel.  My laptop
hardware is now old enough to be supported in a quite standard kernel.

-- 
A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining
and wants it back the minute it begins to rain.
		-- Mark Twain
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/7/2009 3:08:31 PM
Moshe Goldfarb <moshegoldfarb@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:08:31 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>
>> Actually, it's been quite awhile since I've hand-built a kernel.  My laptop
>> hardware is now old enough to be supported in a quite standard kernel.
>
> But.........
> ....we keep hearing about how great Linux supports laptops.

And god knows he has been strutting around telling us about his kernel
compiles often enough.


-- 
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/

"Nope, we know what an emulator does, and wine doesn't." - AH
 ** http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/dec7cb073d761af4
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hadronquark (21814)
8/7/2009 3:10:26 PM
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:10:26 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb <moshegoldfarb@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
>> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:08:31 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Actually, it's been quite awhile since I've hand-built a kernel.  My laptop
>>> hardware is now old enough to be supported in a quite standard kernel.
>>
>> But.........
>> ....we keep hearing about how great Linux supports laptops.
> 
> And god knows he has been strutting around telling us about his kernel
> compiles often enough.

Amazing isn't it?

It's obvious that Ahlstrom needs a vacation from COLA.
He's going off the rails lately.
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/7/2009 3:25:57 PM
On 2009-08-07, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2009-08-06, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, TomB belched out
>>>   this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> Make that most of them. At least not me. Not that I don't do back-ups,
>>>> but those are not to recover from problems caused by compiling as
>>>> root.
>>>
>>> I've compiled many kernel as root (have to, as /usr/src is owned by root and
>>> average users don't have permissions there).
>>
>> No you don't. Try the make O=<directory> option and you can compile your
>> kernel in another build directory as an ordinary user. You need to set
>> the KBUILD_OUTPUT environment variable to your kernel build directory so
>> that external modules etc can find your kernel build directory (but
>> remember to turn it off if you are compiling busybox).
>
> Cool.  Glad to learn something new, after all these years of doing it the
> same old way without issues.

Of course you can do it the "same old way" without issues. Using Gentoo
however, you can automatically prune old gentoo kernels with:

GentooPenguin# emerge -P gentoo-sources

Now if you build your kernels in the original directory then this
command won't totally remove the old kernel directories because they
contain other files that weren't in the original installation.

> Actually, it's been quite awhile since I've hand-built a kernel.  My laptop
> hardware is now old enough to be supported in a quite standard kernel.

Standard kernel? What's that?

I've *always* built my own kernels, even when I used to run Redhat.. 10
years ago. I like small and I like neat. I only add the functionality I
require in each machine.

I've refined a kernel building script over the years which allows me to
configure and build my kernels as a special user (this user only builds
kernels). The script also compiles any external modules and proprietary
blobs, as well as builds an initramfs so that I can run LVM on all my
partitions except "boot".

Of course you can go the easy way and use "genkernel" or one of the
other distros like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora etc... that provide prebuilt
kernels, but it's more fun to do it my way, and it is far easier to
troubleshoot if something goes wrong.

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
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ZekeGregory (6440)
8/7/2009 9:59:49 PM
Evidently not.
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ray65 (5421)
8/8/2009 2:17:26 AM
After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2009-08-07, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>
>> Cool.  Glad to learn something new, after all these years of doing it the
>> same old way without issues.
>
> Of course you can do it the "same old way" without issues. Using Gentoo
> however, you can automatically prune old gentoo kernels with:
>
> GentooPenguin# emerge -P gentoo-sources
>
> Now if you build your kernels in the original directory then this
> command won't totally remove the old kernel directories because they
> contain other files that weren't in the original installation.
>
>> Actually, it's been quite awhile since I've hand-built a kernel.  My laptop
>> hardware is now old enough to be supported in a quite standard kernel.
>
> Standard kernel? What's that?

The one Debian supplies :-)

> I've *always* built my own kernels, even when I used to run Redhat.. 10
> years ago. I like small and I like neat. I only add the functionality I
> require in each machine.
>
> I've refined a kernel building script over the years which allows me to
> configure and build my kernels as a special user (this user only builds
> kernels). The script also compiles any external modules and proprietary
> blobs, as well as builds an initramfs so that I can run LVM on all my
> partitions except "boot".
>
> Of course you can go the easy way and use "genkernel" or one of the
> other distros like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora etc... that provide prebuilt
> kernels, but it's more fun to do it my way, and it is far easier to
> troubleshoot if something goes wrong.

Nice.  You are a power user!

-- 
You have the capacity to learn from mistakes.  You'll learn a lot today.
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/8/2009 12:03:26 PM
On 2009-08-08, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:

>> Standard kernel? What's that?
>
> The one Debian supplies :-)

They supply quite a few don't they?

>> I've refined a kernel building script over the years which allows me to
>> configure and build my kernels as a special user (this user only builds
>> kernels). The script also compiles any external modules and proprietary
>> blobs, as well as builds an initramfs so that I can run LVM on all my
>> partitions except "boot".
>>
>> Of course you can go the easy way and use "genkernel" or one of the
>> other distros like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora etc... that provide prebuilt
>> kernels, but it's more fun to do it my way, and it is far easier to
>> troubleshoot if something goes wrong.
>
> Nice.  You are a power user!

Power. Yep, that's what a highly configurable distribution gives you.
But of course, with power comes responsibility. You can't blame someone
like Microsoft if your system stuffs up.

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
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ZekeGregory (6440)
8/8/2009 12:55:38 PM
Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> writes:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2009-08-08, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
>>>   this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>>> Standard kernel? What's that?
>>>
>>> The one Debian supplies :-)
>>
>> They supply quite a few don't they?
>
> Sure, but one is the default.
>
>> Power. Yep, that's what a highly configurable distribution gives you.
>> But of course, with power comes responsibility. You can't blame someone
>> like Microsoft if your system stuffs up.
>
> Well, ya shouldn't have compiled as root then!

It's getting embarrassing to see your juvenile attempts to take the
stench off your obvious cluelessness.

For those not in the know, Ahlstrom thinks that downloading, unarchiving
, configuring and making unknown tar files as root (ie all done in a su
terminal) is "fine" and not an issue. It does, of course, make a total
mockery of why sud/sudo are there in the first place.

Hard to believe I know. But that's him.


-- 
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/

"Nope, we know what an emulator does, and wine doesn't." - AH
 ** http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/dec7cb073d761af4
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hadronquark (21814)
8/8/2009 5:45:31 PM
After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2009-08-08, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
>>   this bit o' wisdom:
>
>>> Standard kernel? What's that?
>>
>> The one Debian supplies :-)
>
> They supply quite a few don't they?

Sure, but one is the default.

> Power. Yep, that's what a highly configurable distribution gives you.
> But of course, with power comes responsibility. You can't blame someone
> like Microsoft if your system stuffs up.

Well, ya shouldn't have compiled as root then!

-- 
Your boss is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/8/2009 5:47:04 PM
On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
> For those not in the know, Ahlstrom thinks that downloading, unarchiving
> , configuring and making unknown tar files as root (ie all done in a su
> terminal) is "fine" and not an issue.

I'm sure Ahlstrom *never* said that this was okay for 'unknown'
sources. And neither did I by the way.

Why exaggerate? Do you gain something by doing so?

-- 
When one burns one's bridges, what a very nice fire it makes.
		-- Dylan Thomas
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8/8/2009 10:56:27 PM
On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of TomB:
> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> For those not in the know, Ahlstrom thinks that downloading, unarchiving
>> , configuring and making unknown tar files as root (ie all done in a su
>> terminal) is "fine" and not an issue.
>
> I'm sure Ahlstrom *never* said that this was okay for 'unknown'
> sources. And neither did I by the way.
>
> Why exaggerate? Do you gain something by doing so?

Oh, and please write down the message ID of this post on a little
piece of paper, and keep it near your computer. That way the next time
you ask for proof of you lying, you can just look at the paper and say
'oh, right...'.

-- 
Q:	What do Winnie the Pooh and John the Baptist have in common?
A:	The same middle name.
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8/8/2009 11:02:13 PM
TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> For those not in the know, Ahlstrom thinks that downloading, unarchiving
>> , configuring and making unknown tar files as root (ie all done in a su
>> terminal) is "fine" and not an issue.
>
> I'm sure Ahlstrom *never* said that this was okay for 'unknown'
> sources. And neither did I by the way.
>
> Why exaggerate? Do you gain something by doing so?

Wrong.

I pointed out in the first post that the TARs I was referring to were
NOT MD5 secure and proven tars.

This was the ENTIRE crux of my argument.

You kept on about "sources you trust", but what you trust and what is
therein are two different things. Which is of course my point about why
its ludicrous to do all that as root as all the sources I linked to
agreed. The ONLY place I have had people actively "encouraging" an open
su terminal and doing all that as root is here. Sorry Tom, but thats the
case.

Most people "trust" people who go on to fiddle them.

-- 
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/

"Nope, we know what an emulator does, and wine doesn't." - AH
 ** http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/dec7cb073d761af4
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hadronquark (21814)
8/8/2009 11:04:39 PM
TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of TomB:
>> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>> For those not in the know, Ahlstrom thinks that downloading, unarchiving
>>> , configuring and making unknown tar files as root (ie all done in a su
>>> terminal) is "fine" and not an issue.
>>
>> I'm sure Ahlstrom *never* said that this was okay for 'unknown'
>> sources. And neither did I by the way.
>>
>> Why exaggerate? Do you gain something by doing so?
>
> Oh, and please write down the message ID of this post on a little
> piece of paper, and keep it near your computer. That way the next time
> you ask for proof of you lying, you can just look at the paper and say
> 'oh, right...'.

Nice try.

You *CONTINUALLY* claimed that it was acceptable usage.

While I can accept you wish to risk your machine I was somewhat
surprised you were not more vocal in advising against doing it your way.

It was Ahlstrom who slipped in about Synaptic/Aptitude as root :
something I acknowledged and pointed out that these tended to use
trusted and tested procedures and package files.


-- 
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/

"Nope, we know what an emulator does, and wine doesn't." - AH
 ** http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/dec7cb073d761af4
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hadronquark (21814)
8/8/2009 11:17:05 PM
After takin' a swig o' grog, TomB belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

>> Why exaggerate? Do you gain something by doing so?
>
> Oh, and please write down the message ID of this post on a little
> piece of paper, and keep it near your computer. That way the next time
> you ask for proof of you lying, you can just look at the paper and say
> 'oh, right...'.

He's just a stupid troll.  Bats in his belfry.  Shameless liar.

-- 
Q:	What does it say on the bottom of Coke cans in North Dakota?
A:	Open other end.
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/8/2009 11:30:56 PM
On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>> For those not in the know, Ahlstrom thinks that downloading, unarchiving
>>> , configuring and making unknown tar files as root (ie all done in a su
>>> terminal) is "fine" and not an issue.
>>
>> I'm sure Ahlstrom *never* said that this was okay for 'unknown'
>> sources. And neither did I by the way.
>>
>> Why exaggerate? Do you gain something by doing so?
>
> Wrong.
>
> I pointed out in the first post that the TARs I was referring to were
> NOT MD5 secure and proven tars.
>
> This was the ENTIRE crux of my argument.

Ugh...

--------------------------------------------------------------------
> Oops. No, you don't run configure as root unless you're a clueless
> idiot.

Oh? And why would that be? 
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Nothing there about the source.

But then still Chris and I *never* claimed it was okay to handle
'unknown' source archives like that. And that's exactly what you claim
above.

> You kept on about "sources you trust", but what you trust and what is
> therein are two different things. Which is of course my point about why
> its ludicrous to do all that as root as all the sources I linked to
> agreed. The ONLY place I have had people actively "encouraging" an open
> su terminal and doing all that as root is here. Sorry Tom, but thats the
> case.

http://www.control-escape.com/linux/lx-swinstall-tar.html

-- 
You will be a winner today.  Pick a fight with a four-year-old.
0
8/8/2009 11:33:02 PM
On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of TomB:
>>> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>> For those not in the know, Ahlstrom thinks that downloading, unarchiving
>>>> , configuring and making unknown tar files as root (ie all done in a su
>>>> terminal) is "fine" and not an issue.
>>>
>>> I'm sure Ahlstrom *never* said that this was okay for 'unknown'
>>> sources. And neither did I by the way.
>>>
>>> Why exaggerate? Do you gain something by doing so?
>>
>> Oh, and please write down the message ID of this post on a little
>> piece of paper, and keep it near your computer. That way the next time
>> you ask for proof of you lying, you can just look at the paper and say
>> 'oh, right...'.
>
> Nice try.
>
> You *CONTINUALLY* claimed that it was acceptable usage.

For sources I *TRUST*. Not 'unknown' sources.

You know, I have more problems with installing a precompiled package
from debian-multimedia.org than with configuring and building let's
say the latest vim release as root.

-- 
Your aims are high, and you are capable of much.
0
8/8/2009 11:40:13 PM
TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>> For those not in the know, Ahlstrom thinks that downloading, unarchiving
>>>> , configuring and making unknown tar files as root (ie all done in a su
>>>> terminal) is "fine" and not an issue.
>>>
>>> I'm sure Ahlstrom *never* said that this was okay for 'unknown'
>>> sources. And neither did I by the way.
>>>
>>> Why exaggerate? Do you gain something by doing so?
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
>> I pointed out in the first post that the TARs I was referring to were
>> NOT MD5 secure and proven tars.
>>
>> This was the ENTIRE crux of my argument.
>
> Ugh...
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Oops. No, you don't run configure as root unless you're a clueless
>> idiot.
>
> Oh? And why would that be? 

You are joking here I assume.

> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Nothing there about the source.
>
> But then still Chris and I *never* claimed it was okay to handle
> 'unknown' source archives like that. And that's exactly what you claim
> above.

Get out of it. Ahlstrom was ridiculing my claims that it should NOT be
done. Therefore his argument was that is CAN be done equally safely.

>
>> You kept on about "sources you trust", but what you trust and what is
>> therein are two different things. Which is of course my point about why
>> its ludicrous to do all that as root as all the sources I linked to
>> agreed. The ONLY place I have had people actively "encouraging" an open
>> su terminal and doing all that as root is here. Sorry Tom, but thats the
>> case.
>
> http://www.control-escape.com/linux/lx-swinstall-tar.html

What about it?

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hadronquark (21814)
8/8/2009 11:45:11 PM
TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of TomB:
>>>> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>>> For those not in the know, Ahlstrom thinks that downloading, unarchiving
>>>>> , configuring and making unknown tar files as root (ie all done in a su
>>>>> terminal) is "fine" and not an issue.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure Ahlstrom *never* said that this was okay for 'unknown'
>>>> sources. And neither did I by the way.
>>>>
>>>> Why exaggerate? Do you gain something by doing so?
>>>
>>> Oh, and please write down the message ID of this post on a little
>>> piece of paper, and keep it near your computer. That way the next time
>>> you ask for proof of you lying, you can just look at the paper and say
>>> 'oh, right...'.
>>
>> Nice try.
>>
>> You *CONTINUALLY* claimed that it was acceptable usage.
>
> For sources I *TRUST*. Not 'unknown' sources.

And I acknowledge that this was YOUR position. Albeit foolish since
almost nothing should be trusted as an admin.

The POINT being it can equally well be downloaded, etc as NON
ROOT. Jesus H. How difficult is this for you to understand?

>
> You know, I have more problems with installing a precompiled package
> from debian-multimedia.org than with configuring and building let's
> say the latest vim release as root.

What the hell are you talking about!?!?!?!??!

No one said there are "problems" doing it as root. I have said its
foolish to do so in case of poor configure or make scripts.

End of subject : NEVER do something as root when you can do it as well
as non root. It is a BASIC of good admin methodologies. And WHY Ubuntu
tries to hide" su" behind SUDO.



-- 
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"Nope, we know what an emulator does, and wine doesn't." - AH
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hadronquark (21814)
8/8/2009 11:48:08 PM
On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
>> You know, I have more problems with installing a precompiled package
>> from debian-multimedia.org than with configuring and building let's
>> say the latest vim release as root.
>
> What the hell are you talking about!?!?!?!??!
>
> No one said there are "problems" doing it as root. I have said its
> foolish to do so in case of poor configure or make scripts.

"Problems" as in "not feeling too sure about it". Mind you, I *do* use
the debian-multimedia.org repository, but can I be absolutely sure the
maintainer doesn't inject fishy stuff in his packages? No, I can't.
And yet I'm downloading and installing his packages, as root.

So I feel more confident in building the latest vim release as root
than in installing a package from debian-multimedia.org.

-- 
The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter.
		-- Mark Twain
0
8/9/2009 12:11:36 AM
After takin' a swig o' grog, TomB belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>
>> I pointed out in the first post that the TARs I was referring to were
>> NOT MD5 secure and proven tars.

MD5 does /nothing/ to increase the trustworthiness of a TAR file against
malicious motives.

All it does is verify that you can reasonably believe you downloaded the
file without corruption.

>> This was the ENTIRE crux of my argument.

God, I sure hope it was not.

> Ugh...
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Oops. No, you don't run configure as root unless you're a clueless
>> idiot.
>
> Oh? And why would that be? 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Nothing there about the source.
>
> But then still Chris and I *never* claimed it was okay to handle
> 'unknown' source archives like that. And that's exactly what you claim
> above.

Indeed, I would not recommend running 'configure' as root, because, as I
actually told 'cc', I agreed with him and "Hadron" in principle.
"Hadron" glossed over that, of course.

Nonetheless, 'configure' is not likely to cause issues when run as root.

Why?

A malevolent person would realize that almost no one would even consider
running it as root.  So they'd put the exploit either in the "make install"
process, or in the library or application itself.

>> You kept on about "sources you trust", but what you trust and what is
>> therein are two different things. Which is of course my point about why
>> its ludicrous to do all that as root as all the sources I linked to
>> agreed. The ONLY place I have had people actively "encouraging" an open
>> su terminal and doing all that as root is here. Sorry Tom, but thats the
>> case.

Nope.  No one encouraged any such behavior.  I merely claim that it is
unlikely to cause issues with trusted packages.  And, for those,
the issue would be with an error in configure.ac.

The bottom line is that "Hadron" is doing his usual shrieking and ranting,
and all for a dead horse.

-- 
Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong.
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/9/2009 12:21:35 AM
On 2009-08-08, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2009-08-08, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
>>>   this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>>> Standard kernel? What's that?
>>>
>>> The one Debian supplies :-)
>>
>> They supply quite a few don't they?
>
> Sure, but one is the default.

Default for what? X86 32bit? X86 64bit? ARMB?, ARML? MIPS? SPARC?

All that choice... it turns people off Linux, y'know. 

;-)

>> Power. Yep, that's what a highly configurable distribution gives you.
>> But of course, with power comes responsibility. You can't blame someone
>> like Microsoft if your system stuffs up.
>
> Well, ya shouldn't have compiled as root then!

What a fuckwit is the IQT. It still keeps up the illusion that it is
"schooling" us all on administering Linux. I almost pity it. Almost...

Administration must sometimes be done as root. Gentooers aren't afraid
of it because they've built the system as root and can restore from
backups or rebuild it if they balls up their system. Only a newbie would
be terrified of running commands as root, and so they should be. With
terror comes caution, and with caution comes consistent methods that
quickly become habit. The newbie learns to make regular backups, to
think and revise the command before hitting "Enter".

I don't compile my kernels as root because I've set things up so that I
don't have to, but there's no security risk from compiling a kernel as
root. I get my Gentoo patched kernels from my ISP and I MD5 check 'em
with the digests from another mirror. No real chance of a problem there,
but the IQT knows all this. It is merely attempting to justify its
pitiable existence.

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
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ZekeGregory (6440)
8/9/2009 3:35:34 AM
On 2009-08-08, TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> For those not in the know, Ahlstrom thinks that downloading, unarchiving
>> , configuring and making unknown tar files as root (ie all done in a su
>> terminal) is "fine" and not an issue.
>
> I'm sure Ahlstrom *never* said that this was okay for 'unknown'
> sources. And neither did I by the way.
>
> Why exaggerate? Do you gain something by doing so?

It got your attention and that's enough for it.

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
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ZekeGregory (6440)
8/9/2009 3:37:55 AM
On 2009-08-09, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, TomB belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>
>>> I pointed out in the first post that the TARs I was referring to were
>>> NOT MD5 secure and proven tars.
>
> MD5 does /nothing/ to increase the trustworthiness of a TAR file against
> malicious motives.
>
> All it does is verify that you can reasonably believe you downloaded the
> file without corruption.

You are correct. Where you get them from is far more important. For
instance, I get my packages from my ISP (which is a listed Gentoo
mirror) and from another listed Gentoo mirror I get the MD5 digests.
Checking one source against the other I can be reasonably sure of
getting clean packages.

> The bottom line is that "Hadron" is doing his usual shrieking and ranting,
> and all for a dead horse.

The IQT craves attention. That's the bottom line.

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
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ZekeGregory (6440)
8/9/2009 3:49:12 AM
TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
>>> You know, I have more problems with installing a precompiled package
>>> from debian-multimedia.org than with configuring and building let's
>>> say the latest vim release as root.
>>
>> What the hell are you talking about!?!?!?!??!
>>
>> No one said there are "problems" doing it as root. I have said its
>> foolish to do so in case of poor configure or make scripts.
>
> "Problems" as in "not feeling too sure about it". Mind you, I *do* use
> the debian-multimedia.org repository, but can I be absolutely sure the
> maintainer doesn't inject fishy stuff in his packages? No, I can't.
> And yet I'm downloading and installing his packages, as root.

Fine. You are willing to take the risk. I wouldn't. There is no need. I
need to add "sudo" to one line and one line only - the "make
install". No risk. No trust involved. No typos screwing over my system
at all other stages.

BTW, you do know downloading as root is considered extremely insecure
too?

>
> So I feel more confident in building the latest vim release as root
> than in installing a package from debian-multimedia.org.

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hadronquark (21814)
8/9/2009 7:53:46 AM
Hadron wrote:

> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> You know, I have more problems with installing a precompiled package
>>>> from debian-multimedia.org than with configuring and building let's
>>>> say the latest vim release as root.
>>>
>>> What the hell are you talking about!?!?!?!??!
>>>
>>> No one said there are "problems" doing it as root. I have said its
>>> foolish to do so in case of poor configure or make scripts.
>>
>> "Problems" as in "not feeling too sure about it". Mind you, I *do* use
>> the debian-multimedia.org repository, but can I be absolutely sure the
>> maintainer doesn't inject fishy stuff in his packages? No, I can't.
>> And yet I'm downloading and installing his packages, as root.
> 
> Fine. You are willing to take the risk. I wouldn't. There is no need. I
> need to add "sudo" to one line and one line only - the "make
> install". No risk. No trust involved. No typos screwing over my system
> at all other stages.

Bullshit about the "risk". There is practically none
And no, don't try to start the hyphothetical risk of downloading some 
obscure file.
Explain why building an app from, say Debian or Suse, is more dangerous as 
root than as user.
And no, that "malicious makefile" will not do. Because the "malicious" 
part can be just as well in the "make install" part which has to be 
executed with root rights

Otherwise there are no risks. And all your pretending to "school" people 
about that is still just handwaving

> BTW, you do know downloading as root is considered extremely insecure
> too?

And now the explanations *why* will certainly follow.
Please be specific
*What* nasties can occur while downloading as root, and *why* ??

I am certain you will be just too happy to "school" thge rest of us, "true 
linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" Hadron Snot Quark

>> So I feel more confident in building the latest vim release as root
>> than in installing a package from debian-multimedia.org.
> 

-- 
My other computer is your windows box

0
8/9/2009 8:25:05 AM
On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> You know, I have more problems with installing a precompiled package
>>>> from debian-multimedia.org than with configuring and building let's
>>>> say the latest vim release as root.
>>>
>>> What the hell are you talking about!?!?!?!??!
>>>
>>> No one said there are "problems" doing it as root. I have said its
>>> foolish to do so in case of poor configure or make scripts.
>>
>> "Problems" as in "not feeling too sure about it". Mind you, I *do* use
>> the debian-multimedia.org repository, but can I be absolutely sure the
>> maintainer doesn't inject fishy stuff in his packages? No, I can't.
>> And yet I'm downloading and installing his packages, as root.
>
> Fine. You are willing to take the risk. I wouldn't. There is no need. I
> need to add "sudo" to one line and one line only - the "make
> install". No risk. No trust involved. No typos screwing over my system
> at all other stages.

No risk? You're running a script that dumps binaries and other files
to your file system, and you do this as root. No risk you say? No
trust involved? I deem running 'make install' as root more dangerous
than running './configure' or 'make' as root.

If you're that paranoia, why don't you install your software to
$HOME/bin. That way you won't need your root account at all.

> BTW, you do know downloading as root is considered extremely insecure
> too?

Package managers do it all the time.
Downloading as root can be insecure if you just poke around on the www
and download anything you come across.

# wget ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/unix/vim-7.2.tar.bz2

doesn't concern me at all.

# wget http://some.fishy.url/dwl/how.to.get.laid.tar.bz2

does.

-- 
You will be aided greatly by a person whom you thought to be unimportant.
0
8/9/2009 9:03:34 AM
TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> You know, I have more problems with installing a precompiled package
>>>>> from debian-multimedia.org than with configuring and building let's
>>>>> say the latest vim release as root.
>>>>
>>>> What the hell are you talking about!?!?!?!??!
>>>>
>>>> No one said there are "problems" doing it as root. I have said its
>>>> foolish to do so in case of poor configure or make scripts.
>>>
>>> "Problems" as in "not feeling too sure about it". Mind you, I *do* use
>>> the debian-multimedia.org repository, but can I be absolutely sure the
>>> maintainer doesn't inject fishy stuff in his packages? No, I can't.
>>> And yet I'm downloading and installing his packages, as root.
>>
>> Fine. You are willing to take the risk. I wouldn't. There is no need. I
>> need to add "sudo" to one line and one line only - the "make
>> install". No risk. No trust involved. No typos screwing over my system
>> at all other stages.
>
> No risk? You're running a script that dumps binaries and other files

"No risk" == no risk of screwing up as root.


> to your file system, and you do this as root. No risk you say? No
> trust involved? I deem running 'make install' as root more dangerous
> than running './configure' or 'make' as root.

FFS : what is the more dangerous? 4 or 5 stages as root or ONE? holy
cow.

>
> If you're that paranoia, why don't you install your software to
> $HOME/bin. That way you won't need your root account at all.

I do sometimes.

>
>> BTW, you do know downloading as root is considered extremely insecure
>> too?
>
> Package managers do it all the time.

You dont know that. They might drop to other security levels.

> Downloading as root can be insecure if you just poke around on the www
> and download anything you come across.
>
> # wget ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/unix/vim-7.2.tar.bz2
>
> doesn't concern me at all.
>
> # wget http://some.fishy.url/dwl/how.to.get.laid.tar.bz2
>
> does.

Good, so you agree.

You keep bringing it back to the inate trust you have in yourself. I
tend to think of the bigger picture when giving advice to others.

And it is NOT advisable to do all those stages as root. It is
recommended to use sudo when, and only when, it is necessary.

-- 
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hadronquark (21814)
8/9/2009 9:30:37 AM
On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>> Fine. You are willing to take the risk. I wouldn't. There is no need. I
>>> need to add "sudo" to one line and one line only - the "make
>>> install". No risk. No trust involved. No typos screwing over my system
>>> at all other stages.
>>
>> No risk? You're running a script that dumps binaries and other files
>
> "No risk" == no risk of screwing up as root.

And the 'no trust involved' part?

>> to your file system, and you do this as root. No risk you say? No
>> trust involved? I deem running 'make install' as root more dangerous
>> than running './configure' or 'make' as root.
>
> FFS : what is the more dangerous? 4 or 5 stages as root or ONE? holy
> cow.

Obviously only one stage is safer. But I wouldn't call someone who
does all as root an idiot as you do. It is a calculated risk. A very
small one.

-- 
Your aim is high and to the right.
0
8/9/2009 10:17:18 AM
After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter K??hlmann belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> BTW, you do know downloading as root is considered extremely insecure
>> too?

*guffaw*

"Hadron"'s Debian package manager does exactly that.

> And now the explanations *why* will certainly follow.
> Please be specific
> *What* nasties can occur while downloading as root, and *why* ??
>
> I am certain you will be just too happy to "school" thge rest of us, "true 
> linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" Hadron Snot Quark

"Hadron" is an idiot.  Among other bad things.

-- 
Be cheerful while you are alive.
		-- Phathotep, 24th Century B.C.
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/9/2009 11:03:34 AM
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter K??hlmann belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, you do know downloading as root is considered extremely insecure
>>> too?
>
> *guffaw*
>
> "Hadron"'s Debian package manager does exactly that.

Yeah, but he doesn't know that....errr....but doesn't the troll *claim* to
use Debian?  


>> And now the explanations *why* will certainly follow.
>> Please be specific
>> *What* nasties can occur while downloading as root, and *why* ??
>>
>> I am certain you will be just too happy to "school" thge rest of us, "true 
>> linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" Hadron Snot Quark
>
> "Hadron" is an idiot.  Among other bad things.

A *trolling* idiot. 
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wp7043 (446)
8/9/2009 11:31:13 AM
TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>> Fine. You are willing to take the risk. I wouldn't. There is no need. I
>>>> need to add "sudo" to one line and one line only - the "make
>>>> install". No risk. No trust involved. No typos screwing over my system
>>>> at all other stages.
>>>
>>> No risk? You're running a script that dumps binaries and other files
>>
>> "No risk" == no risk of screwing up as root.
>
> And the 'no trust involved' part?

trust <> trustworthy

-- 
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"Nope, we know what an emulator does, and wine doesn't." - AH
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hadronquark (21814)
8/9/2009 12:09:03 PM
Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> writes:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter K??hlmann belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, you do know downloading as root is considered extremely insecure
>>> too?
>
> *guffaw*
>
> "Hadron"'s Debian package manager does exactly that.

Yes, I know. This has been discussed. So either you dont use Linux and
dont understand or you're a clueless suck up. Maybe both.

>
>> And now the explanations *why* will certainly follow.
>> Please be specific
>> *What* nasties can occur while downloading as root, and *why* ??
>>
>> I am certain you will be just too happy to "school" thge rest of us, "true 
>> linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" Hadron Snot Quark
>
> "Hadron" is an idiot.  Among other bad things.

So please confirm that downloading as root is acceptable.

Not this is "general downloading" and NOT specifically using wget to get
one file.

You'll be saying its ok to run X as root next.


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hadronquark (21814)
8/9/2009 12:10:49 PM
William Poaster <wp@kubuntu-jaunty64.org> writes:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter K??hlmann belched out
>>   this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTW, you do know downloading as root is considered extremely insecure
>>>> too?
>>
>> *guffaw*
>>
>> "Hadron"'s Debian package manager does exactly that.
>
> Yeah, but he doesn't know that....errr....but doesn't the troll *claim* to
> use Debian?  

Willy, you are insane.

The running of synaptic/aptitude as root is as far away from running tar etc
as root as you can get. Are you REALLY that clueless?

For any readers, Chris Ahlstrom thinks its as safe to open a terminal as
root and (as root) download, untar configure and make as root as it is
as a normal user. If YOU know anything about root accounts you will know
this is heavily discouraged. To save his poxy arse from the humiliating
links I then provided he started mentioning synaptic as root. A total
squirm fest since (a) you generally run synaptic as gksudo/sudo too and
(b) it generally pointed to trusted .deb repositories and there is no
manual "compile/configure" issued in addition to packages being signed.

This has taught me a LOT about the practical understanding of a LOT of
COLAtards. It has demonstrated even more what a lying little turd
Liarnut is and how he will twist the truth to suit his agenda. Why? I
don't know. This whole issue started with me warning why running things
as root, when unnecessray, was silly and to be discouraged. But oh no,
the mighty Ahlstrom who thinks he's 1337 as root has to disagree and
shill others and, basically, make a fool of himself once more. And along
comes Willy for the ride.

>
>
>>> And now the explanations *why* will certainly follow.
>>> Please be specific
>>> *What* nasties can occur while downloading as root, and *why* ??
>>>
>>> I am certain you will be just too happy to "school" thge rest of us, "true 
>>> linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" Hadron Snot Quark
>>
>> "Hadron" is an idiot.  Among other bad things.
>
> A *trolling* idiot. 

Who, once more, is correct and you and Ahlstrom are wrong. You are an
idiot Willy and a waste of space.

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hadronquark (21814)
8/9/2009 12:16:56 PM
On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> writes:
>> "Hadron" is an idiot.  Among other bad things.
>
> So please confirm that downloading as root is acceptable.
>
> Not this is "general downloading" and NOT specifically using wget to get
> one file.

Please allow me to jump in...

*Nobody* said *anything* about using the root account for 'general
downloading'. I myself even stated that I rarely use the root account
for downloading anything, as I usually just use firefox to do this.

> You'll be saying its ok to run X as root next.

Not for general usage.

-- 
Cold hands, no gloves.
0
8/9/2009 1:01:44 PM
TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> writes:
>>> "Hadron" is an idiot.  Among other bad things.
>>
>> So please confirm that downloading as root is acceptable.
>>
>> Not this is "general downloading" and NOT specifically using wget to get
>> one file.
>
> Please allow me to jump in...
>
> *Nobody* said *anything* about using the root account for 'general
> downloading'. I myself even stated that I rarely use the root account
> for downloading anything, as I usually just use firefox to do this.

Good.

>
>> You'll be saying its ok to run X as root next.
>
> Not for general usage.

Not ever if its connected to the web.

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http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/

"Nope, we know what an emulator does, and wine doesn't." - AH
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hadronquark (21814)
8/9/2009 1:11:13 PM
Hadron wrote:

> TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> writes:
>>>> "Hadron" is an idiot.  Among other bad things.
>>>
>>> So please confirm that downloading as root is acceptable.
>>>
>>> Not this is "general downloading" and NOT specifically using wget to
>>> get one file.
>>
>> Please allow me to jump in...
>>
>> *Nobody* said *anything* about using the root account for 'general
>> downloading'. 

Hadron Snot Quark tries to imply that
He dearly needs another strawman to knock down

>> I myself even stated that I rarely use the root account
>> for downloading anything, as I usually just use firefox to do this.
> 
> Good.
> 
>>
>>> You'll be saying its ok to run X as root next.
>>
>> Not for general usage.
> 
> Not ever if its connected to the web.
> 

X *is* running as root.
So much for your "running debian"
-- 
Warning: 10 days have passed since your last Windows reinstall.

0
8/9/2009 1:21:53 PM
On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Peter Köhlmann:
>>>> You'll be saying its ok to run X as root next.
>>>
>>> Not for general usage.
>> 
>> Not ever if its connected to the web.
>> 
>
> X *is* running as root.
> So much for your "running debian"

Aww :-)

I hope he was meaning it how I interpreted it, ie. running a session
as root. Of course X itself *does* run as root.

Damn, I wish I cought this :-(

-- 
Q:	What's the difference between a duck and an elephant?
A:	You can't get down off an elephant.
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8/9/2009 1:50:51 PM
TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Peter K�hlmann:
>>>>> You'll be saying its ok to run X as root next.
>>>>
>>>> Not for general usage.
>>> 
>>> Not ever if its connected to the web.
>>> 
>>
>> X *is* running as root.
>> So much for your "running debian"
>
> Aww :-)
>
> I hope he was meaning it how I interpreted it, ie. running a session
> as root. Of course X itself *does* run as root.
>
> Damn, I wish I cought this :-(

Peter knew damn well what I meant.

Logging in as root ... You knew it. I knew it.

You must remember this is the Peter that claims to be a C coding expert
but does not understand you can not dereference a null pointer.

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"Nope, we know what an emulator does, and wine doesn't." - AH
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hadronquark (21814)
8/9/2009 1:52:44 PM
On 09 Aug 2009 13:50:51 GMT, TomB wrote:

> On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Peter K�hlmann:
>>>>> You'll be saying its ok to run X as root next.
>>>>
>>>> Not for general usage.
>>> 
>>> Not ever if its connected to the web.
>>> 
>>
>> X *is* running as root.
>> So much for your "running debian"
> 
> Aww :-)
> 
> I hope he was meaning it how I interpreted it, ie. running a session
> as root. Of course X itself *does* run as root.
> 
> Damn, I wish I cought this :-(

I spotted it but I know what Hadron meant.
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/9/2009 1:54:33 PM
Moshe Goldfarb <moshegoldfarb@yahoo.com> writes:

> On 09 Aug 2009 13:50:51 GMT, TomB wrote:
>
>> On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Peter K�hlmann:
>>>>>> You'll be saying its ok to run X as root next.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not for general usage.
>>>> 
>>>> Not ever if its connected to the web.
>>>> 
>>>
>>> X *is* running as root.
>>> So much for your "running debian"
>> 
>> Aww :-)
>> 
>> I hope he was meaning it how I interpreted it, ie. running a session
>> as root. Of course X itself *does* run as root.
>> 
>> Damn, I wish I cought this :-(
>
> I spotted it but I know what Hadron meant.

Since the context was what we were logged in as when doing things, it
was pretty damn obvious. Trust a klutz like Koehlmann to mistake
it. Liarmutt will be along soon wagging his tail and licking Peter's
eier.

-- 
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"Nope, we know what an emulator does, and wine doesn't." - AH
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hadronquark (21814)
8/9/2009 1:56:00 PM
On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:56:00 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb <moshegoldfarb@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
>> On 09 Aug 2009 13:50:51 GMT, TomB wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Peter K�hlmann:
>>>>>>> You'll be saying its ok to run X as root next.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not for general usage.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not ever if its connected to the web.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> X *is* running as root.
>>>> So much for your "running debian"
>>> 
>>> Aww :-)
>>> 
>>> I hope he was meaning it how I interpreted it, ie. running a session
>>> as root. Of course X itself *does* run as root.
>>> 
>>> Damn, I wish I cought this :-(
>>
>> I spotted it but I know what Hadron meant.
> 
> Since the context was what we were logged in as when doing things, it
> was pretty damn obvious. Trust a klutz like Koehlmann to mistake
> it. Liarmutt will be along soon wagging his tail and licking Peter's
> eier.

....I do declare I believe I hear a sucking noise in the distance
followed by little foot steps....

MiniWitz!
Is that you!

Hahahha!
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/9/2009 2:00:01 PM
Gregory Shearman wrote:

> On 2009-08-08, TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-08-08, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>> For those not in the know, Ahlstrom thinks that downloading, unarchiving
>>> , configuring and making unknown tar files as root (ie all done in a su
>>> terminal) is "fine" and not an issue.
>>
>> I'm sure Ahlstrom *never* said that this was okay for 'unknown'
>> sources. And neither did I by the way.
>>
>> Why exaggerate? Do you gain something by doing so?

Lying to make himself look good. Just makes the troll look stupid, IMO.

> It got your attention and that's enough for it.

:-/
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wp7043 (446)
8/9/2009 2:58:29 PM
Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> ...I do declare I believe I hear a sucking noise in the distance
> followed by little foot steps....

That would be the sound of you disengaging from Hadron's rectum to take a
piss break.
-- 
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Don Zeigler
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC

....Smoking helps you lose weight -- one lung at a time.
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sitting (4577)
8/9/2009 4:20:01 PM
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:20:01 -0400, Don Zeigler wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> 
>> ...I do declare I believe I hear a sucking noise in the distance
>> followed by little foot steps....
> 
> That would be the sound of you disengaging from Hadron's rectum to take a
> piss break.

You are projecting again Don.
No trailers to sell today?
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/9/2009 4:21:23 PM
After takin' a swig o' grog, TomB belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> writes:
>>> "Hadron" is an idiot.  Among other bad things.
>>
>> So please confirm that downloading as root is acceptable.
>>
>> Not this is "general downloading" and NOT specifically using wget to get
>> one file.
>
> Please allow me to jump in...
>
> *Nobody* said *anything* about using the root account for 'general
> downloading'. I myself even stated that I rarely use the root account
> for downloading anything, as I usually just use firefox to do this.
>
>> You'll be saying its ok to run X as root next.
>
> Not for general usage.

Hasn't anyone ever had a problem with X, and ran startx as root to make sure
they've fixed it?

Anyway, interesting that Bug-in-His-Arse is /still/ beating this dead horse.

-- 
This is the first age that's paid much attention to the future, which is a
little ironic since we may not have one.
		-- Arthur Clarke
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/9/2009 7:34:07 PM
After takin' a swig o' grog, TomB belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Peter K??hlmann:
>>>>> You'll be saying its ok to run X as root next.
>>>>
>>>> Not for general usage.
>>> 
>>> Not ever if its connected to the web.
>>
>> X *is* running as root.
>> So much for your "running debian"
>
> Aww :-)
>
> I hope he was meaning it how I interpreted it, ie. running a session
> as root. Of course X itself *does* run as root.
>
> Damn, I wish I cought this :-(

Well, I though "Hadron" meant starting it manually as root, which, of
course, anyone who has used Linux for a decade has done while verifying a
fix for an XF86Config problem.

-- 
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/9/2009 7:36:17 PM
On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
> Hasn't anyone ever had a problem with X, and ran startx as root to make sure
> they've fixed it?

Check!

Recommended way to configure X in the FreeBSD handbook by the way.

-- 
You may be recognized soon.  Hide.
0
8/9/2009 7:49:06 PM
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, TomB belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2009-08-09, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> writes:
>>>> "Hadron" is an idiot.  Among other bad things.
>>>
>>> So please confirm that downloading as root is acceptable.
>>>
>>> Not this is "general downloading" and NOT specifically using wget to get
>>> one file.
>>
>> Please allow me to jump in...
>>
>> *Nobody* said *anything* about using the root account for 'general
>> downloading'. I myself even stated that I rarely use the root account
>> for downloading anything, as I usually just use firefox to do this.
>>
>>> You'll be saying its ok to run X as root next.
>>
>> Not for general usage.
>
> Hasn't anyone ever had a problem with X, and ran startx as root to make sure
> they've fixed it?

Done it a few times in the past.

> Anyway, interesting that Bug-in-His-Arse is /still/ beating this dead horse.

Yes, we know Hadron's a wanker.
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wp7043 (446)
8/9/2009 10:09:42 PM
After takin' a swig o' grog, William Poaster belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Hasn't anyone ever had a problem with X, and ran startx as root to make sure
>> they've fixed it?
>
> Done it a few times in the past.
>
>> Anyway, interesting that Bug-in-His-Arse is /still/ beating this dead horse.
>
> Yes, we know Hadron's a wanker.

That would be a seahorse, then.

-- 
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	you ride into the country on the back of an elephant?
A:	A howdah duty.
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/10/2009 3:11:41 AM
> Windummy loons all thrown into the trollard soup after
> years of lying about Micoshaft claiming it doesn't care about
> Linux or that Linux is too insignificant when it was
> the exact opposite.

"Windummy loons?!?"

How chronically mentally ill are you?  Before you accuse me of being a
"windummy," myself, I'm currently running FreeBSD.

I love FOSS, but I really don't love a lot of the people who use it,
and this sort of insane garbage is the exact reason why.

In case you're wondering how to actually *advocate* Linux to people,
as the name of this group claims, I'll offer you a hint; this ain't
it.  Psychiatrically aberrant diatribes like what I'm reading here
would send most people running in the other direction.

For the sake of everyone here, *please* seek professional help.
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mirshalak (1)
8/31/2009 6:51:34 PM
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:51:34 -0700 (PDT), Petrus wrote:

>> Windummy loons all thrown into the trollard soup after
>> years of lying about Micoshaft claiming it doesn't care about
>> Linux or that Linux is too insignificant when it was
>> the exact opposite.
> 
> "Windummy loons?!?"
> 
> How chronically mentally ill are you?  Before you accuse me of being a
> "windummy," myself, I'm currently running FreeBSD.
> 
> I love FOSS, but I really don't love a lot of the people who use it,
> and this sort of insane garbage is the exact reason why.
> 
> In case you're wondering how to actually *advocate* Linux to people,
> as the name of this group claims, I'll offer you a hint; this ain't
> it.  Psychiatrically aberrant diatribes like what I'm reading here
> would send most people running in the other direction.
> 
> For the sake of everyone here, *please* seek professional help.

We have been suggesting for years that '7' is in need of mental 
health assistance.

Others who suffer from paranoia, extreme narcissistic behavior 
and other abnormalities include, but are not limited to [Homer], 
Roy "Racine" Schestowitz,High Plains Thumper (HPT) and Marti.

Maybe they can get a package price at the local nuthouse?

 
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
8/31/2009 7:04:39 PM
Petrus wrote:

>For the sake of everyone here, 

*plonk*

Gee, I wonder if one-hit-wonder "Petrus", is just one of our regular
trolls, nym-shifted and posting through google.

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chrisv (22840)
8/31/2009 7:47:21 PM
"Petrus" <mirshalak@gmail.com> schreef in bericht 
news:fb3cc360-67a1-41c5-b5d3-20f173abb8d9@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> Windummy loons all thrown into the trollard soup after
>> years of lying about Micoshaft claiming it doesn't care about
>> Linux or that Linux is too insignificant when it was
>> the exact opposite.
>
> "Windummy loons?!?"
>
> How chronically mentally ill are you?  Before you accuse me of being a
> "windummy," myself, I'm currently running FreeBSD.
>
> I love FOSS, but I really don't love a lot of the people who use it,
> and this sort of insane garbage is the exact reason why.
>
> In case you're wondering how to actually *advocate* Linux to people,
> as the name of this group claims, I'll offer you a hint; this ain't
> it.  Psychiatrically aberrant diatribes like what I'm reading here
> would send most people running in the other direction.
>
> For the sake of everyone here, *please* seek professional help.


The '7' guy from comp.os.linux.advocacy, teh Freetard "7" AKA Joseph Michael 
AKA SpamBoy, the freetard and *megalomaniac* *Idiot*.
< from Dr. Bills medical encyclopedia - thanks Dr. Bill! >
*Megalomania* :
"behavior characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, genius, or 
omnipotence - often generally termed as delusions of grandeur or grandiose 
delusions"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.inventors/browse_thread/thread/8ec441378e4e55f9/2391646c333ddcde
"7" AKA Josh Michael uttered:
Robodyne Cybernetics is offering a NEW TECHNOLOGY that is BIGGER
than anything else before it. It is bigger than Microsoft, its
bigger than IBM, its bigger than Intel, its bigger than GM, its
bigger than Sony and its bigger than Mitsubishi.
http://leitl.org/sci.nano/author.html#3825
- *Stopping* *massacres*
I'm thinking that in the future micro and nanotech machines will put a stop 
to it pretty pronto.
- *Holodeck* *system*
I'm in the process of putting together a proposal to make a holodeck system 
in under 5 years.
- *Getting* *past* *viruses* & *cancer* *cells*
I firmly believe that a fractal mechatronics assembler will defeat all known 
viruses and cancers in a few years.
Signed, 7 AKA J. MICHAEL, king of retards.
A Lifelong Windows Developer
Pretend Linux "Advocate"
Obsessive Freeloader
Failed Promoter Of Proprietary, Patented Schemes
All Around Fraud And Hypocrite 

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Dingeman (31)
8/31/2009 7:47:40 PM
Some idiot forging "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote 
news:p2ao9512s0fq9nj9e46c4l159uh9vs4cal@4ax.com...
> Petrus wrote:
>
>>For the sake of everyone here,
>
> *plonk*
>
> Gee, I wonder if one-hit-wonder "Petrus", is just one of our regular
> trolls, nym-shifted and posting through google.
>

Fsck you arsehole troll! 





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chrisv (22840)
8/31/2009 8:06:58 PM
After takin' a swig o' grog, chrisv belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> Petrus wrote:
>
>>For the sake of everyone here, 
>
> *plonk*
>
> Gee, I wonder if one-hit-wonder "Petrus", is just one of our regular
> trolls, nym-shifted and posting through google.

Why do they even bother?

-- 
Q:	Why do the police always travel in threes?
A:	One to do the reading, one to do the writing, and the other keeps
	an eye on the two intellectuals.
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ahlstromc1 (7605)
8/31/2009 10:36:31 PM
Above the shrieking & FUDding of the trolls,Chris Ahlstrom was heard to
say:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, chrisv belched out
>   this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Petrus wrote:
>>
>>>For the sake of everyone here, 
>>
>> *plonk*
>>
>> Gee, I wonder if one-hit-wonder "Petrus", is just one of our regular
>> trolls, nym-shifted and posting through google.

Oh, that's why I didn't see it.

> Why do they even bother?

Waste of time, IMO.

-- 
Windows:(n.)2. The Gates of hell.

Digital Tipping Point
http://www.archive.org/details/proof_of_concept_four_mins.mpg
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wp7043 (446)
8/31/2009 11:06:30 PM
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:51:34 -0700, Petrus wrote:

>> Windummy loons all thrown into the trollard soup after years of lying
>> about Micoshaft claiming it doesn't care about Linux or that Linux is
>> too insignificant when it was the exact opposite.
> 
> "Windummy loons?!?"
> 
> How chronically mentally ill are you?  Before you accuse me of being a
> "windummy," myself, I'm currently running FreeBSD.

So what ?

PLONK!



-- 
C.O.L.A Charter:-
"For discussion of the benefits of GNU/Linux compared to other
operating systems."
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linux-2 (2716)
9/1/2009 12:58:22 AM
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:58:22 -0500, Terry Porter wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:51:34 -0700, Petrus wrote:
> 
>>> Windummy loons all thrown into the trollard soup after years of lying
>>> about Micoshaft claiming it doesn't care about Linux or that Linux is
>>> too insignificant when it was the exact opposite.
>> 
>> "Windummy loons?!?"
>> 
>> How chronically mentally ill are you?  Before you accuse me of being a
>> "windummy," myself, I'm currently running FreeBSD.
> 
> So what ?
> 
> PLONK!

Yet another "cock up" and run by Terry Porter.
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moshegoldfarb (3146)
9/1/2009 1:36:33 AM
Dingeman Binnenaars wrote:

> Signed, 7 AKA J. MICHAEL, king of retards.
> A Lifelong Windows Developer
> Pretend Linux "Advocate"
> Obsessive Freeloader
> Failed Promoter Of Proprietary, Patented Schemes
> All Around Fraud And Hypocrite

Twit filter fixed, another troll addition to the bozo bin.

-- 
HPT
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9/1/2009 1:38:37 AM
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We don't destroy, we create. We don't imitate, we build. We are not a network, we are a personal OS. -- http://www.texeme.com Hi John, Attempting to Speak for Linux, You wrote: << We don't destroy, we create. We don't imitate, we build. We are not a network, we are a personal OS. >> Linux is more like this: << Like everything else, we consume and are consumed. We exchange ideas with everyone, to the point where it's almost impossible to track. We are artisans, not mass producers. >> Jeff Relf wrote: > Linux is mo...

My Linux is not your Linux
To the denizens of comp.os.linux.advocacy! So many people demonstrate in this newsgroup that they know only a Linux of Hatred and Greed, of paranoia, and of a selfish sense of entitlement. They seem always to be behaving like monkeys in reaction to human dissenters, throwing feces at one another and beating their chests pretending to know something. My Linux is not that Linux. My Linux is the Linux of Love, of sharing, friendship, community. It is a uniquely human Linux and not one for monkeys. When I speak with fellow Linux users in real life (i.e. not in the monkeyhouse of COLA) they remind me of myself: practical, freedom-loving, anti-corporate. Here in COLA however they remind me of monkeys or spoiled brats or worse, corporate sysadmins. My Linux is not your Linux. It is the human Linux that acknowledges that Linux involves human work to create, that although it is free you are not entitled to it, that although it is created in large part by volunteers, they deserve to be paid for their gifts with at least gratitude. And that monkeys and self-entitled brats and sysadmins never thank anyone. yarmfelder@yahoo.com writes: > To the denizens of comp.os.linux.advocacy! You crossposted to gnu.misc.discuss. > My Linux is not your Linux. It is the human Linux > that acknowledges that Linux involves human work > to create, that although it is free you are not > entitled to it, that although it is created in large part > by volunteers, they deserve to be pa...

Is Linux, or The Linux Community, A Cult ?
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/is-linux-or-the-linux-community-a-cult.2847835/ "There are more than a few similarities between Linux and a typical religious cult. For example: Both worship their leader. Both have a distended, warped view of their subject matter. Both are obsessed with something that most people know nothing about. Both believe that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Both insist on proselytizing or converting every single person into the fold. Both have a warped view of the economy. IOW give everything away for free. Both have socialistic tende...

[News] Linux, Linux, Linux at Acer (Phones and Tablets)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Acer CEO whips out iPad rival ,----[ Quote ] | Acer has shown off an Android-based iPad | alternative. `---- http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/05/27/acer_shows_ipad_tablet/ Acer Gets Official with ‘Stream’ ,----[ Quote ] | Acer has created a new 3D user interface that | features animations and a 'peeling' gesture to | unlock the phone. The lock screen lets users | read information without having to open | applications and a History panel provides quick | access to often-used apps. `---- http://www.androidg...

Linux, linux, you mutter...
Vagrants, scaliwags and bums. That's what you advocates are. Drunk old men, wearing jute pants in the alley. LeeLee Sobiesky looks elegant in this picture: http://www.leeleesobieski.com/pics/lld/lld12.jpg -- Kent East Hill for Bush '04 Death to Kent West Hillians !!! DEATH TO KENT WEST HILL wrote: > > Vagrants, scaliwags and bums. > > That's what you advocates are. > > Drunk old men, wearing jute pants in the alley. > > LeeLee Sobiesky looks elegant in this picture: > > http://www.leeleesobieski.com/pics/lld/lld12.jpg > What is sh...

The non-Linux Linux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd http://www.archhurd.org/ The Hurd aims to surpass the Unix kernel in functionality, security, and stability, while remaining largely compatible with it. Can this compete with the now Google-backed Linux kernel? taka0038@gmail.com wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd > > http://www.archhurd.org/ > > The Hurd aims to surpass the Unix kernel in functionality, security, and > stability, while remaining largely compatible with it. > > Can this compete with the now Google-backed Linux kernel? Yes. In a...

All About Linux: GNU To Linux? Read This First!
http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Lunix � I haven't been laid in a year. :( I think it's my distro. What version are you guys running? � �Welcome to Lunix! � I always eagerly wait for the new Lunix kernel. When I think of what compilation commands to use I get a huge boner and I often masturbate during the compilation. Some time ago I bought a new computer that compiles the kernel so fast I don't have time to cum. So I compile it twice. � �Typical Lunix user. Hope he runs make clean! "linux.exe, pronounced Ginoo Slash Linnucks, is a common computer virus that affects users in such a way that it turns them into complete faggots. After stealing the UNIX core from Apple, Linus Torvalds, via his system administrator god-complex, aptly named the program "Linux" after himself. More commonly known as Lunix ("the Loser's UNIX"), it is the poor-man's version of the monolithic UNIX system; also, it is the most powerful contraceptives evar, in the universe, anywhere. The moar one learns about Lunix, the moar powerful its Template:Exlink become. It is recommended that you try Lunix, since everyone knows your gonads are made of fail. In other words, Lunix is a computerized sex-surrogate for asspies. It is an operating system that was the result of really crappy reverse-engineering efforts to create a free version of UNIX. Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox are the perpetrators behind...

ssh over php from w2k to linux hangs (linux to linux ok)
Hello, I am trying to make some bash-scripts, that are to be executed on remote linux-boxes available to some Windows users over a php-interface. To require no interaction from the part of the windows users, I installed cygwin, generated rsa-keys and copied the public key on the server. I also changed the user, running the apache service appropriately and I added cygwin/bin to this users path. So, executing "ssh user@server something" worked using the cygwin-bash or the windows CLI. However, if I execute a php-script containing a "system" or "proc_open" with this command, it never returns. The same php-script *does* work on linux! Any clues? Greetings Neven ...

[News] [Linux] Linux Foundation and MontaVista Organise Linux Conferences
Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit ,----[ Quote ] | The first Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit takes place mid | June, featuring the fourth Desktop Architects Meeting, an LSB | face to face meeting and various council meetings. `---- http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/06/02/linux-foundation-collaboration-summit/ MontaVista Vision 2007 Embedded Linux Developers Conference... ,----[ Quote ] | Hosted by MontaVista, and including platinum sponsors | Freescale Semiconductor, IBM, Intel, and Texas Instruments, | the Vision 2007 event is expected to bring the latest tips, | technique...

[News] Linux is Linux is Linux, Not 'Cheap Windows'
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Reimagining The Desktop ,----[ Quote ] | KDE 4.1 goes a long way to solving that dilemma. `---- http://www.northdavisroad.net/2008/08/reimagining-the-desktop/ Linux should remain Linux ,----[ Quote ] | I disagree that Linux should concentrate on running native Windows apps. This | is exactly the opposite of what the community should be doing. If you notice | more and more companies are working to make Linux their base rather than | Windows. This frees them of paying tax to MS and stops MS from beating their | products with tighter Windows...

[News] Another Company (6WIND) Raves About Linux, Linux, Linux...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 6WIND Launches New Software Solution for Application Development upon Multi-Core Processor Architectures that Simplifies, Reduces Costs and Speeds Time to Market ,----[ Quote ] | 6WIND, the market’s only provider of a networking software solution to | simplify application development within multi-core processor based equipment, | today announced a new solution targeted at mid-range applications (2 to 4 | cores) to provide the highest L2/L3 performance for a pure Linux system. | Based on Fast Path architecture, the 6WINDGate™ EDS software enab...

[News] Making Linux More Like OS X and OS X More Like Linux
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mac OS X - Highly Customized Linux ,----[ Quote ] | Few players in the Linux arena creates their Linux distro to look like Mac OS | X or Windows.... | | Here I'm going to list some distro which looks like Mac OS. `---- http://linuxtreat.blogspot.com/2008/07/mac-os-x-highly-customized-linux.html A Linux User's Guide to Mac ,----[ Quote ] | Take a deep breath and repeat after me: A computer is just a tool. It is only | so good as it serves to make life better for users. A "better" life is | obviously not the same thing for everyone. For me, it means making my Mac | more like Linux, as I began to discuss in my last article. `---- http://www.ofb.biz/safari/article/474.html Yesterday: Ubuntu: Challenge the Mac ,----[ Quote ] | Normally I would just provide a Diigo link to this if it weren’t something | I’ve been saying a lot in talks. Over at InformationWeek, Serdar Yegulaip was | a piece called “Shuttleworth’s Ubuntu Ambitions: Challenge the Mac”. He | quotes Mark Shuttleworth saying in a Datamation article: | |     … our goal, very simply, is to make sure the Free software ecosystem can |     deliver a Mac OS-like experience, or an experience that will compete with |     the Mac OS. | | I think this is exactly right. It’s time to look past Windows, even with its | huge installed base, as any sort of “gold standard” (as Mark calls it), | especially for user interface. ...

[News] New Releases of GNU/Linux: Bio-Linux and Portable Linux
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bio-Linux goes global ,----[ Quote ] | The NERC Environmental Bioinformatics Centre (NEBC), based at the UK Centre | for Ecology & Hydrology, has released the latest version of NEBC Bio-Linux, a | specialised computing system designed for the environmental genomics research | community. `---- http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/informationstechnologie/bio_linux_global_125318.html Portable Linux is now available ,----[ Quote ] | I've written a small application to create bootable, multi-purpose USB drives | out of Ubun...

Linux Handhelds Running Linux/Apache/MYSQL/PHP?: Linux IPODS?
Hello there, Are there any out-of-the box handhelds that run Linux/Apache/MYSQL and PHP? Does Redhat, Suse, or Gentoo support any handhelds? I know the Zaurus comes close, but I've heard people have problems running LAMP applications on it. What would be the best way to build a Linux-powered ipod-like device? I hope this isn't off topic for this group--the more places Linux runs, the better off we all are! Please advise. Thanks! On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:30:08 -0700, Ranger West wrote: > Hello there, > > Are there any out-of-the box handhelds that run Linux/Apache/MYSQL and > PHP? Does Redhat, Suse, or Gentoo support any handhelds? The closest you would get is a fully fledged tablet PC running Linux. I'm not aware of any that come with Linux out of the box. That's a very hefty configuration there, by conventional PDA standards. > I know the Zaurus comes close, but I've heard people have problems > running LAMP applications on it. > > What would be the best way to build a Linux-powered ipod-like device? > > I hope this isn't off topic for this group--the more places Linux runs, > the better off we all are! It's most certainly on-topic. -- Mathew M. <mathew@spiesNOSPAMareus.yi.org> GPG public key ID: 0x3DDC1413 This post contains a chemical or chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer, birth defects or other reproductive harm. This (these) chemical(s) may be harmful to your heal...

[News] New Audiocasts About GNU/Linux: Linux Basement and Linux Outlaws
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 LB - Episode 44 - Jay and Friends by Linux Basement http://www.linuxbasement.com/content/lb-episode-44-jay-and-friends-linux-basement Linux Outlaws 117 - May the Schwartz Be With You ,----[ Quote ] | In this episode, we interview Randal L. Schwartz about | Perl, Merlyn and Stonehenge, BSD, being a professional | comedian, how Karaoke saved his life, the Schwartzian | transform, FLOSS Weekly and much more. `---- http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/117 Recent: Linux Outlaws 104 - The Linux In-Laws ,----[ Quote ] | On this week’s show: Launchpad goes open source, the real reason why | Microsoft contributed code to the kernel, Intel thinks it has human rights, | why the Swedish Pirate Party might endanger the GPL and much more. `---- http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/104 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrd2qMACgkQU4xAY3RXLo5FbwCfcK7KAJFvWlUB81EttdqrT8SR W6IAn1GNEoHKAlinsiUB0QuwBzGhU3Qq =u/rH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:43:30 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > LB - Episode 44 - Jay and Friends by Linux Basement > > http://www.linuxbasement.com/content/lb-episode-44-jay-and-friends-linux-basement > > Linux Outlaws 117 - May the Schwartz Be With You More low budget crap. Can't you guys get some decent equipment? It sounds like everyone is talking through a cup and a string. Oh an...

[News] Linux Tech Talk, New Linux Gazette and Linux In A Nutshell
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Linux Tech Talk 3 ,----[ Quote ] | For quite awhile, I’ve been wanting to | install Debian onto my second PC, but I | didn’t want to have to “start from | scratch” and tweak and configure | everything on it. What I really wanted to | do was to use rsync to copy the files in | debian1’s / and /home partitions onto | partitions on debian2, and see if debian2 | would boot up and run, already configured | the same way as debian1. I was concerned | that it might not work, because debian1 | and debian2 use different monitor | resolutions and completely different CPUs | — although I was pretty confident that the | different CPUs would not cause a problem | because they can both use the type of | linux kernel (686) that is already | installed on debian1. `---- http://www.computerbob.com/wp/linux-tech-talk-3.php Linux Gazette - January 2010 (#170) http://linuxgazette.net/170/TWDT.html Linux In A Nutshell – Sixth Edition ,----[ Quote ] | The book begins with some simple ideas about | the operating system and then leads through | the System and Network Administration | overview through boot methods and package | management to the Bash shell and pattern | matching. The latter is something that is an | invaluable source of facts for the first time | and experienced user. The section on the use | of variuos editors is also useful as is the | later part of the book which shows CVS and | Git management. If you wo...

Arm, Linux, Arm, Linux, Arm, Linux,,,life of a pure geek!
Arm, Linux, Arm, Linux, Arm, Linux,,,life of a pure geek! --------------------------------------------------------- Can't believe how busy its gotten lately. Its all just ARM, then Linux, then ARM again, then Linux again, then Opencores FPGA SoC with Linux, then Linux, then ARM, then Linux, then ARM, then Linux, all day, all night, and get paid for it too!! Ah the delights of pure geek life!! On 4/17/2012 7:10 PM, 7 wrote: > Arm, Linux, Arm, Linux, Arm, Linux,,,life of a pure geek! > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Can't believe how busy its gotten lately. > > Its all just ARM, then Linux, then ARM again, then Linux again, > then Opencores FPGA SoC with Linux, then Linux, then ARM, then Linux, > then ARM, then Linux, all day, all night, and get paid for it too!! > > Ah the delights of pure geek life!! Get paid for your Linux hobby? I don't think so, little fraud. "Field engineer working in the City installing dealing equipment, developer making windows and SQL applications, optimizing SQL in sales and quotation system (C, C++, VB, .NET), embedded PIC developer (Microchip C) making level 4 switch mode power supplies and hand held electrical test equipment, setting up Apache/PHP Linux servers and security penetrating testing, ethernet packet sniffing with wireshark, travel to China (and stayed there for 2 years) making PCBs and hand held products. General all round technology person ...

[News] [Linux] Linux Has Advantage in the Mobile OS World
How Linux morphed from a server to a mobile OS ,----[ Quote ] | When evaluating Linux as a possible OS candidate, it is important to | remember that the Linux "model" for mobile devices is horizontal. That | is, Linux is not presented as a vertically integrated top to bottom | solution for a mobile device supplied by one vendor. | | It's a sharp contrast to the other OS suppliers such as Microsoft | with Windows Mobile, Symbian and PalmSource. These suppliers | support a highly integrated software stack, incorporating not | only an OS but also extensive middleware and application layer | pieces. Arguably the price for such integration is lack of | flexibility and loss of control. `---- http://www.wirelessnetdesignline.com/howto/broadband/199600344;jsessionid=N1IAB5VKZRD0QQSNDLRCKH0CJUNN2JVN http://tinyurl.com/2c3z7z Microsoft taps mobiles for developing world ,----[ Quote ] | Microsoft is facing fierce competition from Linux, however, most | notably the One Laptop per Child project to ship low cost | notebooks to schools in developing nations. | | Linux vendor Red Hat unveiled a Global Desktop last week | targeting computers at small and medium sized businesses as | well as governments in third world nations. `---- http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2189936/microsoft-taps-mobile-tech Related: 70 percent of smartphones use Symbian ,----[ Quote ] | At 3GSM it became clear that 70 percent of all smartphones use Symbian. | | Linux accounts for 16.9 perc...

The Linux Community Doesn't Lie about Linux
In spite of claims made by Sophos, and one of their shills in a YouTube video, which was linked to here by the trolls as "proof" that the Linux community lies to promote Linux, the Linux Community is honest and open about viruses and malware on Linux. Here's what the Linux Community really has to say on the subject: ------ http://www.linux.org/threads/malware-and-antivirus-systems-for-linux.4455/ "All computer systems can suffer from malware and viruses, including Linux. Thankfully, very few viruses exist for Linux, so users typically do not install antiv...

ROX Linux and ROX on OS X and arm linux
Hi I've just just done some searches on Google for ROX linux, and ROX on other platforms. I've not managed to find anything. Is ROX available for OS X? Is ROX available for Acorn\Iyonix Arm linux? Did ROX Linux ever come to anything? I was a member of the mailing list a while ago, it started off interesting and then seemed to go off on a tangent then it all went quiet. It seemed like an excellent idea, a linux distro structured like RISC OS. It would have been an ideal compliment to a RISC OS system, same UI but different set of applications (probably not quite so consistent as we are used to though). It could also have been a life boat if RISC OS were ever to grind to a halt. Presumably some sorts of common apps (python perhaps) would have been possible and if RISCOSE or similar were to be developed too, the possibilities would be even greater. Do others consider it would have been desirable? -- Jess Iyonix contact http://jess.itworkshop-nexus.net Hotmail is my spam trap - don't email valid - mailto:nospam@jess.itworkshop-nexus.net In message <729a59544e.jess@itworkshop.invalid> Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > I've just just done some searches on Google for ROX linux, and ROX on > other platforms. > These starting points might help. http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&q=ROX filer desktop http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/ http://rox.sourceforg...

[News] Tips for Linux Advocacy (from Linux-hostile Site)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 10 Things for Linux Desktop Evangelists to Ponder ,----[ Quote ] | Continuing the theme from #6, be willing to pay for Linux. Be willing to | discuss Linux as a product people buy. Be willing to say "not free" isn't | always a bad thing. | | I know Linux proscribes selling Linux, but there are many success stories | where Linux is the cornerstone of a profitable product (think TiVo). A nicely | constructed Linux Desktop is worth money, whether FOSS thinks so or not. `---- http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/10-Things-for-Linux-Desktop-Evangelists-to-Ponder-67559.html Linux, FOSS, and the Time-Honored Tradition of Charging More for Less ,----[ Quote ] | There is something fundamentally defective with a business that feels it | can't survive by giving customers a fair deal. Stick with FOSS. What you see | is what you get, warts, roses, everything, with no place to hide tricksy | dealings or dishonesty. `---- http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2009071002535OPCY Recent: Why Use Linux? ,----[ Quote ] | 'I Would Pay for Linux' | | "I use Linux first and foremost because it's Unix, and I've been a big fan of | the Unix paradigm for 20+ years," Slashdot blogger yagu told | LinuxInsider. "With GNU software, Linux is better than industrial (HP, Sun, | et al.) Unix because it leverages the best extensions of familiar commands, | making them friendlier (color syntax...

[News] 3 New Audiocasts: Going Linux, Linux Outlaws, Linux Basement
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Going Linux 106 http://goinglinux.com/shownotes.html#glp106 Linux Outlaws 156 - Blame the Uwe Seeler http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/156 LB - Episode 57 - SELF Barfly by Linux Basement ,----[ Quote ] | Linux Basement Talk | | * Props to Dave "Sexy" Yates of | LottaLinuxLinks Oggcast for mentioning LB | in LLL-125. We should return the favor. | ;-) | * Claudio did an off-the-cuff guest spot | on Linux in the Ham Shack on June 1 and | did his best to promote Linux, FLOSS, and | LB of course. :-D | o http://lhspodcast.info/2010/06/episode-039-deep-thoughts/ | * Frostbitemedia http://www.frostbitemedia.org | * DoortoDoorGeek's Podcast http://www.linuxbasix.com/ `---- http://www.linuxbasement.com/content/lb-episode-57-self-barfly-linux-basement Recent: Podcast Season 2 Episode 11 ,----[ Quote ] | In this episode: Google releases its own | command-line tool, Ubuntu drops F-Spot, and | has anyone seen Mandriva? Listen to the | results of our haiku challenge, and we ask, | do you use open source software for freedom | or function? `---- http://www.tuxradar.com/content/podcast-season-2-episode-11 Podcast 78 Gentoo Screenshots + IRC Basics http://linuxcrazy.com/?q=node/92 Episode 0x2A: Waiting for Bilski ,----[ Quote ] | Karen and Bradley briefly talk about waiting | for the Bilski case to be decided by the | U.S. Supreme Court. | | This show was relea...

[News] [Linux] Advantages of Linux Listed, Vista Drives Another User to Linux
5 reasons to use Ubuntu and not Windows ,----[ Quote ] | Freedom of choice | | A stable system that doesn't have to be renewed | | Competition is good for technological progress | | Software is there to do a job, not to benefit a company | | The many, many little things `---- http://ubuntudaily.com/2007/05/10/5-reasons-to-use-ubuntu-and-not-windows/ Open source and Linux looking better every day ,----[ Quote ] | Vista Home Basic - How do you figure out all these different | versions available? Thankfully a desktop shortcut to download | an upgrade - the upgrade treadmill head start program? | | [...] | | Added openSUSE - dual boot, so I can use both. `---- http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/14993 ...

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