I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LP's to CD using
Linux.

Is this possible?

With Windows I have Adobe Audition and Sony Soundforge with the Waves
and Sony noise reduction plugins.

I tried using Ardour and Jack under Linux, but I get *Jack* out of it.
I have a Delta-66 card if it matters.

Ardour complains that Jack isn't running, Jack is running according to
qjackctl.
Both talk about 10 different sound servers (ALSA, ARTS,OSS,Esound and
others) so I am not really sure what is going on here.

Why does Linux have to be so damm complicated for what should be an
easy task.

Any ideas?

I am using Mandrake 10.0 if it matters.

Freddy

In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
 freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:

> I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
> now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LP's to CD using
> Linux.
> 
> Is this possible?

I think you should crosspost this question to a Mac advocacy group such as 
comp.sys.mac.advocacy, which would be the obvious place for such a question - 
oh wait you did, and I was being ironic!

-- 
Sandman[.net]

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in mr-7AF3F6.22394209052004@individual.net
on 5/9/04 1:39 PM:

> In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
> freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
> 
>> I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
>> now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LP's to CD using
>> Linux.
>> 
>> Is this possible?
> 
> I think you should crosspost this question to a Mac advocacy group such as
> comp.sys.mac.advocacy, which would be the obvious place for such a question -
> oh wait you did, and I was being ironic!

Trolling: responding to a legitimate post without attempting to answer *and*
being a smart ass.

Have you received your membership card in the mail yet?

:)

-- 
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Don't even waste your time.
Linux is a complete clusterfuck of programs that are beta, have little,
no, or incorrect documentation and have no future in the real world.
Ardour is a work in progress that might be done by 2054 but don't hold
your breath.
My advice is to buy a Mac and enjoy your music instead of trying to make
Linux work, which you will never do.

Linux can suck time out of it's users like a sponge sucks water and it's
just not worth it.

Phil


On 9 May 2004 13:32:18 -0700, freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:

>I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
>now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LP's to CD using
>Linux.
>
>Is this possible?
>
>With Windows I have Adobe Audition and Sony Soundforge with the Waves
>and Sony noise reduction plugins.
>
>I tried using Ardour and Jack under Linux, but I get *Jack* out of it.
>I have a Delta-66 card if it matters.
>
>Ardour complains that Jack isn't running, Jack is running according to
>qjackctl.
>Both talk about 10 different sound servers (ALSA, ARTS,OSS,Esound and
>others) so I am not really sure what is going on here.
>
>Why does Linux have to be so damm complicated for what should be an
>easy task.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>I am using Mandrake 10.0 if it matters.
>
>Freddy

philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote:

> Don't even waste your time.
> Linux is a complete clusterfuck of programs that are beta, have little,
> no, or incorrect documentation and have no future in the real world.
> Ardour is a work in progress that might be done by 2054 but don't hold
> your breath.
> My advice is to buy a Mac and enjoy your music instead of trying to make
> Linux work, which you will never do.
> 
> Linux can suck time out of it's users like a sponge sucks water and it's
> just not worth it.
> 
> Phil

Thats very very negative.
Have you ever tried a linux distribution that was released after 
slackware 3.3 (current version is 9.1)?
At least you still make linux sound way better than anything Microsoft 
ever produced.

Sander

On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:51:11 +0200, Sander <Big_Scary_Man@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Don't even waste your time.
>> Linux is a complete clusterfuck of programs that are beta, have little,
>> no, or incorrect documentation and have no future in the real world.
>> Ardour is a work in progress that might be done by 2054 but don't hold
>> your breath.
>> My advice is to buy a Mac and enjoy your music instead of trying to make
>> Linux work, which you will never do.
>> 
>> Linux can suck time out of it's users like a sponge sucks water and it's
>> just not worth it.
>> 
>> Phil
>
>Thats very very negative.

It's the truth.
Linux sucks for digital audio and it always will until programs are
released that don't require a degree in computer science to run.

>Have you ever tried a linux distribution that was released after 
>slackware 3.3 (current version is 9.1)?

I am currently running Mandrake 10 as an mp3 server, does that count?

>At least you still make linux sound way better than anything Microsoft 
>ever produced.

Sound better?

Please explain this to me?

On second thought, don't bother.

I hate to bust your cherry, but 44.1khz is 44.1khz and nothing Linux can
do, if indeed it can do anything, will change that.

You are an idiot.

>Sander

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in mr-B154BC.22491609052004@individual.net
on 5/9/04 1:49 PM:

> In article <BCC3E65A.4EC85%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
> ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
> 
>>> I think you should crosspost this question to a Mac advocacy group such as
>>> comp.sys.mac.advocacy, which would be the obvious place for such a question
>>> -
>>> oh wait you did, and I was being ironic!
>> 
>> <trolling snipped in an attempt to keep it out of the thread>
> 
> And you are again intercepting threads with the sole purpose to antagonize
> another poster.
> 
> I am still waiting for your response to the below:

I have now given you the link to the post several times now....

Message ID: <BCC0F2B1.4E58C%snit@nospam.cableone.net>
Message ID: <BCC3D703.4EC58%snit@nospam.cableone.net>
Message ID: <BCC0E540.4E551%snit@nospam.cableone.net>

And others...

And even gave you a link to the exact post... so not only have you had your
response, I have told you repeatedly what message ID it is and provided you
with a direct google link

Message ID: <BCC3D703.4EC58%snit@nospam.cableone.net>

How many times do you need it?

Your repeatedly ignoring the post is clearly trolling...

-- 
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philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote:

Get bent, Flatfish.

-- 
Karel "de Jazz" Jansens

"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in
all kinds of directions".
(Terry Pratchett "the Truth")

in article 2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com, Freddy at
freddy_filmore@yahoo.com wrote on 5/9/04 1:32 PM:

> I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
> now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LP's to CD using
> Linux.
> 
> Is this possible?
> 
> With Windows I have Adobe Audition and Sony Soundforge with the Waves
> and Sony noise reduction plugins.
> 
> I tried using Ardour and Jack under Linux, but I get *Jack* out of it.
> I have a Delta-66 card if it matters.
> 
> Ardour complains that Jack isn't running, Jack is running according to
> qjackctl.
> Both talk about 10 different sound servers (ALSA, ARTS,OSS,Esound and
> others) so I am not really sure what is going on here.
> 
> Why does Linux have to be so damm complicated for what should be an
> easy task.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> I am using Mandrake 10.0 if it matters.
> 
> Freddy

You can use GarageBand which is part of iLife and comes free with a new Mac.
It may be a bit of overkill for such a task.  There are plenty of
shareware/freeware apps that may be better suited for recording from vinyl.
Try doing a search on VersionTracker.com.  You'll find plenty of OS X apps
that help filter scratches and such (like SoundSoap).  And you'll also find
plenty of OS X apps that allow you to simply start recording at the
beginning of the album and have it automagically covert the songs into
individual tracks.

Once recorded, simply drag the files into iTunes and burn the playlists to
CD. You could also use Toast, Jam or some other app, but it's nice having
the songs available in iTunes (which is free btw).

It usually takes me about 5 minutes to clean my vinyl first, recording is
real time, editing, normalizing and any filtering may take about 10-15
minutes per album, and then burning is 52x.

It's all really easy.  My 5 year old nephew can do it.  

philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote:

< snip >

>>Thats very very negative.
> 
> It's the truth.
> Linux sucks for digital audio and it always will until programs are
> released that don't require a degree in computer science to run.
> 

Hi flatfish

>>Have you ever tried a linux distribution that was released after
>>slackware 3.3 (current version is 9.1)?
> 
> I am currently running Mandrake 10 as an mp3 server, does that count?
> 

No. Since it is not true

-- 
My other computer is your windows box

On Sun, 09 May 2004 23:02:17 +0200, the Entity Formerly Known as Jazz
<theuniverse@theedge.now> wrote:

>philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Get bent, Flatfish.

What the hell are you babbling about?
Flatfish?
What the hell is that?
Looking at your headers **KNode/0.7.2** it appears that you are some
kind of a deranged Linux cultist.
Think Koolaid my friend, it will be quick and put you out of your own
misery.

Phil

Freddy wrote:

> Why does Linux have to be so damm complicated for what should be an
> easy task.

Troll alert: yahoo --> google --> gateway in Helsinki --> Usenet

Bates Advertising Helsinki Oy
descr:        00100 Helsinki
country:      FI

philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote:

> Don't even waste your time.
> Linux is a complete clusterfuck of programs that are beta, have

This hourly barrage of anti-Linux posts, going on day-in and day-out, all
sent by a team of professional, paid hecklers though gateways in various
overseas countries, just reinforces my desire to migrate away from every to
do with Microsoft.


-- 
Take your giant, abusive corporation and shove it!

In article <mr-7AF3F6.22394209052004@individual.net>,
 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
>  freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
> 
> > I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
> > now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LP's to CD using
> > Linux.
> > 
> > Is this possible?
> 
> I think you should crosspost this question to a Mac advocacy group such as 
> comp.sys.mac.advocacy, which would be the obvious place for such a question - 
> oh wait you did, and I was being ironic!

But it *was* Mac advocacy: 

In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
 freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:

> Why does Linux have to be so damm complicated for what should be an
> easy task.

On OS X, this is an easy task.

-- 
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Why does Windows have a left mouse button? 

But you are posting from:

Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409

You look like a trouble maker to me.

Or maybe a misguided Linux screwball that couldn't get Linux working on
the internet so you could post from Linux.

In any case, you are a nut.

Next time, please try and keep with the subject of the post instead of
making an ass of yourself.




On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:18:59 GMT, "Quizzical" <jyvg@hjv.com> wrote:

>Freddy wrote:
>
>> Why does Linux have to be so damm complicated for what should be an
>> easy task.
>
>Troll alert: yahoo --> google --> gateway in Helsinki --> Usenet
>
>Bates Advertising Helsinki Oy
>descr:        00100 Helsinki
>country:      FI
>

In article <BCC3E9E3.4EC8B%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
 ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:

> >>> I think you should crosspost this question to a Mac advocacy group such 
> >>> as
> >>> comp.sys.mac.advocacy, which would be the obvious place for such a 
> >>> question
> >>> -
> >>> oh wait you did, and I was being ironic!
> >> 
> >> <trolling snipped in an attempt to keep it out of the thread>
> > 
> > And you are again intercepting threads with the sole purpose to antagonize
> > another poster.
> > 
> > I am still waiting for your response to the below:
> 
> I have now given you the link to the post several times now....
> 
> Message ID: <BCC0F2B1.4E58C%snit@nospam.cableone.net>
> Message ID: <BCC3D703.4EC58%snit@nospam.cableone.net>
> Message ID: <BCC0E540.4E551%snit@nospam.cableone.net>
> 
> And others...
> 
> And even gave you a link to the exact post... so not only have you had your
> response, I have told you repeatedly what message ID it is and provided you
> with a direct google link
> 
> Message ID: <BCC3D703.4EC58%snit@nospam.cableone.net>
> 
> How many times do you need it?
> 
> Your repeatedly ignoring the post is clearly trolling...

I can't read your trolling group. If you can't respond to the post without 
excessively trolling (to the level where you need to have a devoted troll group 
for it) that speaks volumes in itself.

-- 
Sandman[.net]

philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote:
> But you are posting from:
>
> Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409

Yes, I am. Because I'm in the process of moving from Mandrake to Suse on my
other machine, so I'm using an old box with M$ that I keep running for the
handful of arsehole websites that don't write good html.

My time is limited, but I should be able to complete the move once I have
the disks and do the install (takes 10 mins) by end May.


-- 
Take your giant, abusive corporation and shove it!

On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:28:41 GMT, "Quizzical" <jyvg@hjv.com> wrote:

>philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote:
>> But you are posting from:
>>
>> Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
>
>Yes, I am. Because I'm in the process of moving from Mandrake to Suse on my
>other machine, so I'm using an old box with M$ that I keep running for the
>handful of arsehole websites that don't write good html.
>
>My time is limited, but I should be able to complete the move once I have
>the disks and do the install (takes 10 mins) by end May.

You are an idiot and a liar.

You respond to a thread, accusing people of things you know nothing
about because the truth is, you don't even use Linux.

You admit that you can't view websites with Linux.

You can install Linux in 10 minutes?

Really?

I'd like to see that.


Next time, instead of jumping on some bandwagon and trumpeting the
standard line, actually USE the system you are advocating and maybe you
won't look like an idiot to the rest of the people in these newsgroups.

Phil

In article <woofbert.spam-DC570D.14240509052004@typhoon.sonic.net>,
 Woofbert <woofbert.spam@infernosoft.com> wrote:

> In article <mr-7AF3F6.22394209052004@individual.net>,
>  Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> 
> > In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
> >  freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
> > 
> > > I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
> > > now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LP's to CD using
> > > Linux.
> > > 
> > > Is this possible?
> > 
> > I think you should crosspost this question to a Mac advocacy group such as 
> > comp.sys.mac.advocacy, which would be the obvious place for such a question 
> > - 
> > oh wait you did, and I was being ironic!
> 
> But it *was* Mac advocacy: 
> 
> In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
>  freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
> 
> > Why does Linux have to be so damm complicated for what should be an
> > easy task.
> 
> On OS X, this is an easy task.

:)

-- 
Sandman[.net]

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in mr-D31885.23252209052004@individual.net
on 5/9/04 2:25 PM:

> In article <BCC3E9E3.4EC8B%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
> ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
> 
>>>>> I think you should crosspost this question to a Mac advocacy group such
>>>>> as
>>>>> comp.sys.mac.advocacy, which would be the obvious place for such a
>>>>> question
>>>>> -
>>>>> oh wait you did, and I was being ironic!
>>>> 
>>>> <trolling snipped in an attempt to keep it out of the thread>
>>> 
>>> And you are again intercepting threads with the sole purpose to antagonize
>>> another poster.
>>> 
>>> I am still waiting for your response to the below:
>> 
>> I have now given you the link to the post several times now....
>> 
>> Message ID: <BCC0F2B1.4E58C%snit@nospam.cableone.net>
>> Message ID: <BCC3D703.4EC58%snit@nospam.cableone.net>
>> Message ID: <BCC0E540.4E551%snit@nospam.cableone.net>
>> 
>> And others...
>> 
>> And even gave you a link to the exact post... so not only have you had your
>> response, I have told you repeatedly what message ID it is and provided you
>> with a direct google link
>> 
>> Message ID: <BCC3D703.4EC58%snit@nospam.cableone.net>
>> 
>> How many times do you need it?
>> 
>> Your repeatedly ignoring the post is clearly trolling...
> 
> I can't read your trolling group.

What is it that blocks you from Google?

> If you can't respond to the post without excessively trolling (to the level
> where you need to have a devoted troll group for it) that speaks volumes in
> itself.

I often *respond* to trolling in that group... as I did with your trolling.
As I probably should to your trolling here... and as I likely will with the
trolling you are probably going to do quite soon.


Where I often, but not always, respond to meaningless flames and trolling
(it is not like I make it secret!)

             |
             |
             |
           \   /
            \ /
             V

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"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in mr-729DCF.23384109052004@individual.net
on 5/9/04 2:38 PM:

> In article <woofbert.spam-DC570D.14240509052004@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> Woofbert <woofbert.spam@infernosoft.com> wrote:
> 
>> In article <mr-7AF3F6.22394209052004@individual.net>,
>>  Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
>>>  freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
>>>> now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LP's to CD using
>>>> Linux.
>>>> 
>>>> Is this possible?
>>> 
>>> I think you should crosspost this question to a Mac advocacy group such as
>>> comp.sys.mac.advocacy, which would be the obvious place for such a question
>>> - 
>>> oh wait you did, and I was being ironic!
>> 
>> But it *was* Mac advocacy:
>> 
>> In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
>>  freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
>> 
>>> Why does Linux have to be so damm complicated for what should be an
>>> easy task.
>> 
>> On OS X, this is an easy task.
> 
> :)

Trolling: smiling.

Oh wait.  I guess that is not trolling.  Just so used to you trolling I was
caught off guard.

:)

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Freddy wrote:

> I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
> now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LP's to CD using
> Linux.
> 
> Is this possible?

Yes.



> With Windows I have Adobe Audition and Sony Soundforge with the Waves
> and Sony noise reduction plugins.
> 
> I tried using Ardour and Jack under Linux, but I get *Jack* out of it.
> I have a Delta-66 card if it matters.
> 
> Ardour complains that Jack isn't running, Jack is running according to
> qjackctl.
> Both talk about 10 different sound servers (ALSA, ARTS,OSS,Esound and
> others) so I am not really sure what is going on here.

Unless and until you can verify that your soundcard drivers are working properly you should stay away from the higher-level applications.

Distros are just now starting to ship with eh 2.6 kernel, which (finally) has native support for recordable optical drives (no more ide-scsi!)

Once you have that working, you might consider Audacity (which is cross-platform, so you can learn it on a Mac or PC while you wrangle the audio netherworld of Linux.) http://audacity.sourceforge.net/





> Why does Linux have to be so damm complicated for what should be an
> easy task.

Don't start that, please.  It just is for now.

On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:24:04 GMT, Woofbert
<woofbert.spam@infernosoft.com> wrote:

>> Why does Linux have to be so damm complicated for what should be an
>> easy task.
>
>On OS X, this is an easy task.

Also in Windows :-)

     CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

In article <BCC3F306.4ECC7%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
 ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:

> > If you can't respond to the post without excessively trolling (to the level
> > where you need to have a devoted troll group for it) that speaks volumes in
> > itself.
> 
> I often *respond* to trolling in that group... as I did with your trolling.
> As I probably should to your trolling here... and as I likely will with the
> trolling you are probably going to do quite soon.
> 
> 
> Where I often, but not always, respond to meaningless flames and trolling
> (it is not like I make it secret!)

As I said - If you can't respond to the post without excessive trolling (to the 
level where you need to have a devoted troll group for it) that speaks volumes 
itself.

I know that being a troll - you want to call it something else - I am fine with 
that, it's part of your troll game. I have already predicted this.

-- 
Sandman[.net]

In article <BCC3F3B3.4ECCD%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
 ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:

> >> On OS X, this is an easy task.
> > 
> > :)
> 
> <trolling snipped>

What is it you are imagining you're accomplishing here, Michael?

-- 
Sandman[.net]

On Sun, 09 May 2004 13:32:18 -0700, Freddy wrote:

> I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and now I
> would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LP's to CD using Linux.
> 
> Is this possible?

First, why are you posting this to non-Linux groups.

Second.. yes, it is very possible. Audacity can capture your audio. There
are several utilities to convert to CD audio and several utilities to
write to CD.

-- 
Rick

On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:24:04 +0000, Woofbert wrote:

> In article <mr-7AF3F6.22394209052004@individual.net>,
>  Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> 
>> In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
>>  freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
>> 
>> > I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
>> > now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LP's to CD using
>> > Linux.
>> > 
>> > Is this possible?
>> 
>> I think you should crosspost this question to a Mac advocacy group such
>> as comp.sys.mac.advocacy, which would be the obvious place for such a
>> question - oh wait you did, and I was being ironic!
> 
> But it *was* Mac advocacy:
> 
> In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
>  freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
> 
>> Why does Linux have to be so damm complicated for what should be an easy
>> task.
> 
> On OS X, this is an easy task.

On Linux it is an easy task.
-- 
Rick

On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:37:53 GMT, Rick <rick@none.com> wrote:


>On Linux it is an easy task.

Really?

Kindly explain how....

In DETAIL....


Or, shut your ignorant trap.

Phil

P.S Groups where you will be dissected like a frog put back into the
follow ups......

On Sun, 09 May 2004 18:40:50 -0400, philly_steak108 wrote:

> On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:37:53 GMT, Rick <rick@none.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Linux it is an easy task.
> 
> Really?
> 
> Kindly explain how....
> 
> In DETAIL....

Capture audio.
Convert to CD audio.
Write to CD.

There are a LOT of utilities that do this.

> 
> 
> Or, shut your ignorant trap.
> 
> Phil
> 
> P.S Groups where you will be dissected like a frog put back into the
> follow ups......

Does it hurt to be as stupid as you?
-- 
Rick

In article <pan.2004.05.09.23.01.23.66661@none.com>,
 Rick <rick@none.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 09 May 2004 18:40:50 -0400, philly_steak108 wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:37:53 GMT, Rick <rick@none.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>On Linux it is an easy task.
> > 
> > Really?
> > 
> > Kindly explain how....
> > 
> > In DETAIL....
> 
> Capture audio.

What applications on Linux allow you to do this?

> Convert to CD audio.
> Write to CD.
> 
> There are a LOT of utilities that do this.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Or, shut your ignorant trap.
> > 
> > Phil
> > 
> > P.S Groups where you will be dissected like a frog put back into the
> > follow ups......
> 
> Does it hurt to be as stupid as you?

On Sun, 09 May 2004 23:12:06 +0000, Warchild wrote:

> In article <pan.2004.05.09.23.01.23.66661@none.com>,
>  Rick <rick@none.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 09 May 2004 18:40:50 -0400, philly_steak108 wrote:
>> 
>> > On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:37:53 GMT, Rick <rick@none.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> >>On Linux it is an easy task.
>> > 
>> > Really?
>> > 
>> > Kindly explain how....
>> > 
>> > In DETAIL....
>> 
>> Capture audio.
> 
> What applications on Linux allow you to do this?

Audacity, for one.

(snip)

-- 
Rick

In article <BCC3E65A.4EC85%snit@nospam.cableone.net>, ����
<snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:

> > In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
> > freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
> > 
> > I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
> > now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LPs to CD using
> > Linux.
> > 
> > Is this possible?

> Trolling: responding to a legitimate post without attempting to answer *and*
> being a smart ass.
> 
> Have you received your membership card in the mail yet?
> 
> :)

At least Freddy uses Linux instead of Windoze.

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in mr-F552C0.00140310052004@individual.net
on 5/9/04 3:14 PM:

> In article <BCC3F306.4ECC7%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
> ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
> 
>>> If you can't respond to the post without excessively trolling (to the level
>>> where you need to have a devoted troll group for it) that speaks volumes in
>>> itself.
>> 
>> I often *respond* to trolling in that group... as I did with your trolling.
>> As I probably should to your trolling here... and as I likely will with the
>> trolling you are probably going to do quite soon.
>> 
>> 
>> Where I often, but not always, respond to meaningless flames and trolling
>> (it is not like I make it secret!)
> 
> As I said - If you can't respond to the post without excessive trolling (to
> the level where you need to have a devoted troll group for it) that speaks
> volumes itself.

As I said: 
I often *respond* to trolling in that group... as I did with your trolling.
As I probably should to your trolling here... and as I likely will with the
trolling you are probably going to do quite soon.

Did the repeating of the conversation help you any?  Not me... hope you feel
better though.
> 
> I know that being a troll - you want to call it something else - I am fine
> with that, it's part of your troll game. I have already predicted this.

You are trolling... as am I.  The difference is you are lying about it.

-- 
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"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in mr-68C4A1.00153510052004@individual.net
on 5/9/04 3:15 PM:

> In article <BCC3F3B3.4ECCD%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
> ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> On OS X, this is an easy task.
>>> 
>>> :)
>> 
>> <trolling snipped>
> 
> What is it you are imagining you're accomplishing here, Michael?

With what?  You snipped the entire content, and only left your own trolling.

-- 
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In article <1084139067.460788@nnrp2.phx1.gblx.net>,
 Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net> wrote:

> Unless and until you can verify that your soundcard drivers are working 
> properly you should stay away from the higher-level applications.
> 
> Distros are just now starting to ship with eh 2.6 kernel, which (finally) has 
> native support for recordable optical drives (no more ide-scsi!)
> 
> Once you have that working, you might consider Audacity (which is 
> cross-platform, so you can learn it on a Mac 

What would be the point of that? Tools already exist on the Mac that do 
exactly what's needed.

-- 
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Why does Windows have a left mouse button? 

"Rick" <rick@none.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.05.09.23.01.23.66661@none.com...
> On Sun, 09 May 2004 18:40:50 -0400, philly_steak108 wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:37:53 GMT, Rick <rick@none.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Linux it is an easy task.
> >
> > Really?
> >
> > Kindly explain how....
> >
> > In DETAIL....
>
> Capture audio.
> Convert to CD audio.
> Write to CD.
>
> There are a LOT of utilities that do this.

Yet you didn't even mention one, let alone one that can filter the audio
from a vinyl track...

> >
> >
> > Or, shut your ignorant trap.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > P.S Groups where you will be dissected like a frog put back into the
> > follow ups......
>
> Does it hurt to be as stupid as you?

Does it hurt to be as ironic as you?

--
Edwin

"Rick" <rick@none.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.05.09.22.37.51.617182@none.com...
> On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:24:04 +0000, Woofbert wrote:
>
> > In article <mr-7AF3F6.22394209052004@individual.net>,
> >  Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
> >>  freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
> >>
> >> > I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
> >> > now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LP's to CD using
> >> > Linux.
> >> >
> >> > Is this possible?
> >>
> >> I think you should crosspost this question to a Mac advocacy group such
> >> as comp.sys.mac.advocacy, which would be the obvious place for such a
> >> question - oh wait you did, and I was being ironic!
> >
> > But it *was* Mac advocacy:
> >
> > In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
> >  freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
> >
> >> Why does Linux have to be so damm complicated for what should be an
easy
> >> task.
> >
> > On OS X, this is an easy task.
>
> On Linux it is an easy task.

Especially for those who don't do it, such as Rick.

--
Edwin

In article <woofbert.spam-DC570D.14240509052004@typhoon.sonic.net>, Woofbert wrote:
> On OS X, this is an easy task.

So how do you do it on OS X?

-- 
--Tim Smith

"Jim Lee Jr." <peejster01@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:090520041918066648%peejster01@insightbb.com...
> In article <BCC3E65A.4EC85%snit@nospam.cableone.net>, ����
> <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
>
> > > In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
> > > freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
> > >
> > > I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
> > > now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LPs to CD using
> > > Linux.
> > >
> > > Is this possible?
>
> > Trolling: responding to a legitimate post without attempting to answer
*and*
> > being a smart ass.
> >
> > Have you received your membership card in the mail yet?
> >
> > :)
>
> At least Freddy uses Linux instead of Windoze.

Those knives on his fingers must make it hard to type...

--
Edwin

"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in
3BBnc.5443$eH1.2796106@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com on 5/9/04 7:15 PM:

> 
> "Jim Lee Jr." <peejster01@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:090520041918066648%peejster01@insightbb.com...
>> In article <BCC3E65A.4EC85%snit@nospam.cableone.net>, ����
>> <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>> In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
>>>> freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
>>>> now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LPs to CD using
>>>> Linux.
>>>> 
>>>> Is this possible?
>> 
>>> Trolling: responding to a legitimate post without attempting to answer
> *and*
>>> being a smart ass.
>>> 
>>> Have you received your membership card in the mail yet?
>>> 
>>> :)
>> 
>> At least Freddy uses Linux instead of Windoze.
> 
> Those knives on his fingers must make it hard to type...

Perhaps, but he has a real dream machine.

-- 
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"����" <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote in message
news:BCC4354F.4EDA5%snit@nospam.cableone.net...
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in
> 3BBnc.5443$eH1.2796106@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com on 5/9/04 7:15 PM:
>
> >
> > "Jim Lee Jr." <peejster01@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> > news:090520041918066648%peejster01@insightbb.com...
> >> In article <BCC3E65A.4EC85%snit@nospam.cableone.net>, ����
> >> <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> In article <2aee05b2.0405091232.46cd8d2c@posting.google.com>,
> >>>> freddy_filmore@yahoo.com (Freddy) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I started using Linux instead of Windows a couple of months ago and
> >>>> now I would like to transfer my collection of vinyl LPs to CD using
> >>>> Linux.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is this possible?
> >>
> >>> Trolling: responding to a legitimate post without attempting to answer
> > *and*
> >>> being a smart ass.
> >>>
> >>> Have you received your membership card in the mail yet?
> >>>
> >>> :)
> >>
> >> At least Freddy uses Linux instead of Windoze.
> >
> > Those knives on his fingers must make it hard to type...
>
> Perhaps, but he has a real dream machine.

:-D   Good answer.

--
Edwin

In article <none-BDCB70.16120609052004@news2.west.earthlink.net>, Warchild
wrote:
>> Capture audio.
> 
> What applications on Linux allow you to do this?

Many.  Record.  Rec.  Sox.  There is a GUI recorder as part of Gnome.  You
can probably even "cat /dev/dsp > audiofile" if you want, and then convert
the raw samples to something else later with sox.

Capture is not the hard part.  When ripping from vinyl, you probably want to
use some click-and-pop eliminator.

-- 
--Tim Smith

"Tim Smith" <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:QNBnc.4510$KE6.3977@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> In article <none-BDCB70.16120609052004@news2.west.earthlink.net>, Warchild
> wrote:
> >> Capture audio.
> >
> > What applications on Linux allow you to do this?
>
> Many.  Record.  Rec.  Sox.  There is a GUI recorder as part of Gnome.  You
> can probably even "cat /dev/dsp > audiofile" if you want, and then convert
> the raw samples to something else later with sox.
>
> Capture is not the hard part.  When ripping from vinyl, you probably want
to
> use some click-and-pop eliminator.

Yes!

That's the part the Linux advocates seem to be deliberately overlooking.
What program is there in Linux that is a "click-and-pop eliminator?"

--
Edwin

In article <3SBnc.5455$eH1.2798881@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, Edwin wrote:
> That's the part the Linux advocates seem to be deliberately overlooking.
> What program is there in Linux that is a "click-and-pop eliminator?"

Looks like GramoFile will do it:

    http://panic.et.tudelft.nl/~costar/gramofile/

which I found among the zillions of Linux sound and music stuff listed here:

    http://sound.condorow.net/

There is some interesting stuff there, especially in the "unusual" section.

-- 
--Tim Smith

Warchild <none@none.com> writes:

]In article <pan.2004.05.09.23.01.23.66661@none.com>,
] Rick <rick@none.com> wrote:

]> On Sun, 09 May 2004 18:40:50 -0400, philly_steak108 wrote:
]> 
]> > On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:37:53 GMT, Rick <rick@none.com> wrote:
]> > 
]> > 
]> >>On Linux it is an easy task.
]> > 
]> > Really?
]> > 
]> > Kindly explain how....
]> > 
]> > In DETAIL....
]> 
]> Capture audio.

]What applications on Linux allow you to do this?

Many. I use gnoise. Sox, audacity, arecord, ....
to write to wav. Then I use gcdmaster to divide into tracks and record
to CD.

In article <AyBnc.417$zO3.33@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
 Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

> In article <woofbert.spam-DC570D.14240509052004@typhoon.sonic.net>, Woofbert 
> wrote:
> > On OS X, this is an easy task.
> 
> So how do you do it on OS X?

One method - using only what comes on the machine

(must upgrade to Quicktime PRO, though there might be another app on the 
system that will let you record microphone sound.  I just don't know 
what it is.)

Out of your music source amplifier - an adapter to change left/right to 
1 RCA mini plug.  

Sound in set to microphone jack

Record audio using using Quicktime.

Edit audio into separate files using quicktime.

Import audio files into iTunes.

Name and organize audio in iTunes.

Burn to CD or dump to iPod using iTunes.

I used to do this on an older machine, that had these applications under 
OS 9 - But I used Toast instead of iTunes.

_______________________

This is what I am doing -  I am ripping my vinyl collection

Since I don't want to position my Mac and my stereo rack next to each 
other -

A pre-amp on my turntable. Turntable is set next to my Mac

A M-Audio digital converter from pre-amp to USB connection

I record using Peak LE 4 (I am choosing to leave noise, rather that pay 
a premium for Peak 4).  Record 20-25 minute vinyl sides as one file.

Edit into tracks using Peak LE.

Import Peak audio files into iTunes, name and organize.

Dump to iPod for portable listening (could still burn CDs if I wanted - 
but I don't see any point, as I have two iPods)

I am letting iTunes convert the audio to AAC, so I have made a choice 
for smaller files over higher quality.  I you have the space you could 
leave the files uncompressed.

Warchild

In article <BCC41AB4.4ED3E%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
 ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:

> > As I said - If you can't respond to the post without excessive trolling (to
> > the level where you need to have a devoted troll group for it) that speaks
> > volumes itself.
> 
> As I said: 

What you said was unimportant, your actions speaks for themselves.

> > I know that being a troll - you want to call it something else - I am fine
> > with that, it's part of your troll game. I have already predicted this.
> 
> You are trolling.

Of course not, I am not the one fitting a vast amount of objective criteria for 
being a troll, Michael.

> as am I.

Correct.

> The difference is you are lying about it.

I never lie.

-- 
Sandman[.net]

In article <BCC41AD9.4ED3F%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
 ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:

> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in mr-68C4A1.00153510052004@individual.net
> on 5/9/04 3:15 PM:
> 
> > In article <BCC3F3B3.4ECCD%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
> > ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
> > 
> >>>> On OS X, this is an easy task.
> >>> 
> >>> :)
> >> 
> >> <trolling snipped>
> > 
> > What is it you are imagining you're accomplishing here, Michael?
> 
> <trolling snipped>

Nothing, I take it.

-- 
Sandman[.net]

philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote:

> It's the truth.

Maybe your truth. not mine.

> Linux sucks for digital audio and it always will until programs are
> released that don't require a degree in computer science to run.

I don't have a degree in computer science. Managed to run some of them 
without much trouble.

> I am currently running Mandrake 10 as an mp3 server, does that count?

Sure. Your comments seemed to be aimed at an antique version however.

  > Sound better?
> 
> Please explain this to me?

I was referring to reading to your comments on Linux, not actual sound 
quality of a recording.
Windows in many ways always seems to suck up way more time before it 
does what I want it to do and especially before it doesn't do what I 
don't want it to do.

I need more time disabling unnecesary windows services and settings and 
tweaking the registry than it takes to setup a complete fresh working 
linux system.

 > On second thought, don't bother.

Sorry... already explained it.

> I hate to bust your cherry, but 44.1khz is 44.1khz and nothing Linux can
> do, if indeed it can do anything, will change that.

I never suggested it would.

> You are an idiot.

Wow... you arrived at that conclusion from one post that you at least 
partly misinterpreted.

Thanks for the compliment.

Sander

In article <AyBnc.417$zO3.33@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
 Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

> In article <woofbert.spam-DC570D.14240509052004@typhoon.sonic.net>, Woofbert 
> wrote:
> > On OS X, this is an easy task.
> 
> So how do you do it on OS X?

Get any of a number of applications that digitize audio. Your Mac 
probably has digitizing hardware built in. (My G3 does but my iBook does 
not.) Roxio Toast, for instance, comes with such an app. Plug your LP 
drive into a phono preamp with RIAA equalization (it probably has that) 
and connect the tape out jack to the computer's audio input jack. 
Digitize the LPs and import them into iTunes. Then iTunes lets you make 
playlists and burn them to various CD formats. Or use Roxio Toast.

-- 
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Why does Windows have a left mouse button? 

Woofbert wrote:

> In article <1084139067.460788@nnrp2.phx1.gblx.net>,
>  Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net> wrote:
> 
>> Unless and until you can verify that your soundcard drivers are working
>> properly you should stay away from the higher-level applications.
>> 
>> Distros are just now starting to ship with eh 2.6 kernel, which (finally)
>> has native support for recordable optical drives (no more ide-scsi!)
>> 
>> Once you have that working, you might consider Audacity (which is
>> cross-platform, so you can learn it on a Mac
> 
> What would be the point of that? Tools already exist on the Mac that do
> exactly what's needed.
> 

You forgot to add "that you have to pay for". My other half successfully
uses Audacity alongside Garageband since it adds capabilities not available
with the free Mac tools. Since she is only an amateur tinkering around, why
should she shell out �600 for the latest Sonic Foundry or Steinberg
release?

Matt

-- 
Not so interesting...
http://www.mpcontracting.co.uk

On Mon, 10 May 2004 03:34:55 +0000, Tim Smith wrote:

> Looks like GramoFile will do it:
> 
>     http://panic.et.tudelft.nl/~costar/gramofile/

recommended!!!

sorry--came to this thread late, but gramofile's a champ--revel in its
austerity and remember to run it in a terminal.

:D

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in mr-EC2C12.08305310052004@individual.net
on 5/9/04 11:30 PM:

> In article <BCC41AB4.4ED3E%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
> ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
> 
>>> As I said - If you can't respond to the post without excessive trolling (to
>>> the level where you need to have a devoted troll group for it) that speaks
>>> volumes itself.
>> 
>> As I said: 
> 
> What you said was unimportant, your actions speaks for themselves.
> 
>>> I know that being a troll - you want to call it something else - I am fine
>>> with that, it's part of your troll game. I have already predicted this.
>> 
>> You are trolling.
> 
> Of course not, I am not the one fitting a vast amount of objective criteria
> for 
> being a troll, Michael.
> 
>> as am I.
> 
> Correct.
> 
>> The difference is you are lying about it.
> 
> I never lie.

You are clearly trolling... can you not admit it?

-- 
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"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in mr-1FBBCB.08311310052004@individual.net
on 5/9/04 11:31 PM:

> In article <BCC41AD9.4ED3F%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
> ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
> 
>> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in mr-68C4A1.00153510052004@individual.net
>> on 5/9/04 3:15 PM:
>> 
>>> In article <BCC3F3B3.4ECCD%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
>>> ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> On OS X, this is an easy task.
>>>>> 
>>>>> :)
>>>> 
>>>> <trolling snipped>
>>> 
>>> What is it you are imagining you're accomplishing here, Michael?
>> 
>> <trolling snipped>
> 
> Nothing, I take it.

I do not know if you take nothing, but that is what you seem to
contribute... unless you consider your trolling a contribution.

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In article <BCC4E297.4EEBA%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
 ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:

> >> The difference is you are lying about it.
> > 
> > I never lie.
> 
> <trolling snipped>

What is the purpose of your posts, Michael?

-- 
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In article <BCC4E2C2.4EEBB%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
 ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:

> >>>>>> On OS X, this is an easy task.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> :)
> >>>> 
> >>>> <trolling snipped>
> >>> 
> >>> What is it you are imagining you're accomplishing here, Michael?
> >> 
> >> <trolling snipped>
> > 
> > Nothing, I take it.
> 
> <trolling snipped>

What is the purpose of your posts, Michael?

-- 
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On Sun, 09 May 2004 18:40:50 -0400, philly_steak1089 wrote:

> On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:37:53 GMT, Rick <rick@none.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Linux it is an easy task.
> 
> Really?
> 
> Kindly explain how....
> 
> In DETAIL....
> 
> 
> Or, shut your ignorant trap.
> 
> Phil
> 
> P.S Groups where you will be dissected like a frog put back into the
> follow ups......

Man, you really know how to ask for help.  But, being an ex-windblows user
myself, I fully understand just how using Redmond bloatware can totally
wreak your disposition.  You are forgiven.

Anyway, I am a recent newbie to Linux and just in newbie mode, I have
downloaded more audio stuff than I ever thought existed, and far more
than I can even road test.

You ain't even looking, bro.  

krf

philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote in
news:tq8t90dpipv1h35toe9tav6tj4vic43036@4ax.com: 

> On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:28:41 GMT, "Quizzical" <jyvg@hjv.com> wrote:
> 
>>philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> But you are posting from:
>>>
>>> Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
>>
>>Yes, I am. Because I'm in the process of moving from Mandrake to Suse
>>on my other machine, so I'm using an old box with M$ that I keep
>>running for the handful of arsehole websites that don't write good
>>html. 
>>
>>My time is limited, but I should be able to complete the move once I
>>have the disks and do the install (takes 10 mins) by end May.
> 
> You are an idiot and a liar.
> 
> You respond to a thread, accusing people of things you know nothing
> about because the truth is, you don't even use Linux.
> 
> You admit that you can't view websites with Linux.
> 
> You can install Linux in 10 minutes?
> 
> Really?
> 
> I'd like to see that.
> 
> 
> Next time, instead of jumping on some bandwagon and trumpeting the
> standard line, actually USE the system you are advocating and maybe
> you won't look like an idiot to the rest of the people in these
> newsgroups. 
> 
> Phil
> 

*Plonk*

-- 
Best regards,

Irwin J. Finster

Nuke 'em till they glow,
then shoot 'em in the dark.

philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Sun, 09 May 2004 23:02:17 +0200, the Entity Formerly Known as Jazz
> <theuniverse@theedge.now> wrote:
> 
>>philly_steak1089@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>Get bent, Flatfish.
> 
> What the hell are you babbling about?
> Flatfish?
> What the hell is that?
> Looking at your headers **KNode/0.7.2** it appears that you are some
> kind of a deranged Linux cultist.
> Think Koolaid my friend, it will be quick and put you out of your own
> misery.

Typical flatfish behaviour. You don't even try to disguise it anymore.

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"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in mr-E73B8A.18491710052004@individual.net
on 5/10/04 9:49 AM:

> In article <BCC4E297.4EEBA%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
> ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> The difference is you are lying about it.
>>> 
>>> I never lie.
>> 
>> <trolling snipped>
> 
> What is the purpose of your posts, Michael?

To point out your hypocrisy and trolling.

I am quite sure my point has been made.  Thanks...

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In article <BCC51CBD.4EF71%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
 ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:

> >>>> The difference is you are lying about it.
> >>> 
> >>> I never lie.
> >> 
> >> <trolling snipped>
> > 
> > What is the purpose of your posts, Michael?
> 
> <trolling snipped>

The lack of an honest answer answered enough.

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"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in mr-C92D1C.21160710052004@individual.net
on 5/10/04 12:16 PM:

> In article <BCC51CBD.4EF71%snit@nospam.cableone.net>,
> ���� <snit@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> The difference is you are lying about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I never lie.
>>>> 
>>>> <trolling snipped>
>>> 
>>> What is the purpose of your posts, Michael?
>> 
>> <trolling snipped>
> 
> The lack of an honest answer answered enough.

Do you include your dishonesty as shown by your snipping of pertinent
information from the posts you are in response to?

Are you able to admit to your trolling yet?

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In article <409f78a4$0$28295$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
 Matt Parker <mattNODAMNSPAM@mpcontracting.co.uk> wrote:

> Woofbert wrote:
> 
> > In article <1084139067.460788@nnrp2.phx1.gblx.net>,
> >  Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> Unless and until you can verify that your soundcard drivers are working
> >> properly you should stay away from the higher-level applications.
> >> 
> >> Distros are just now starting to ship with eh 2.6 kernel, which (finally)
> >> has native support for recordable optical drives (no more ide-scsi!)
> >> 
> >> Once you have that working, you might consider Audacity (which is
> >> cross-platform, so you can learn it on a Mac
> > 
> > What would be the point of that? Tools already exist on the Mac that do
> > exactly what's needed.
> > 
> 
> You forgot to add "that you have to pay for". My other half successfully
> uses Audacity alongside Garageband since it adds capabilities not available
> with the free Mac tools. Since she is only an amateur tinkering around, why
> should she shell out �600 for the latest Sonic Foundry or Steinberg
> release?
> 
> Matt

Because for about a tenth of that she could get Toast. Someome else 
explained how to do it using QuickTime which comes with the Mac. 

Why should someone tinker with the typically difficult to install and 
configure Linux tools when the intent is to get pat that and tinker with 
audio?

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On Tue, 11 May 2004 03:05:37 +0000, Woofbert wrote:

> In article <409f78a4$0$28295$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
>  Matt Parker <mattNODAMNSPAM@mpcontracting.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Woofbert wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <1084139067.460788@nnrp2.phx1.gblx.net>,
>> >  Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Unless and until you can verify that your soundcard drivers are
>> >> working properly you should stay away from the higher-level
>> >> applications.
>> >> 
>> >> Distros are just now starting to ship with eh 2.6 kernel, which
>> >> (finally) has native support for recordable optical drives (no more
>> >> ide-scsi!)
>> >> 
>> >> Once you have that working, you might consider Audacity (which is
>> >> cross-platform, so you can learn it on a Mac
>> > 
>> > What would be the point of that? Tools already exist on the Mac that
>> > do exactly what's needed.
>> > 
>> > 
>> You forgot to add "that you have to pay for". My other half successfully
>> uses Audacity alongside Garageband since it adds capabilities not
>> available with the free Mac tools. Since she is only an amateur
>> tinkering around, why should she shell out �600 for the latest Sonic
>> Foundry or Steinberg release?
>> 
>> Matt
> 
> Because for about a tenth of that she could get Toast. Someome else
> explained how to do it using QuickTime which comes with the Mac.
> 
> Why should someone tinker with the typically difficult to install and
> configure Linux tools when the intent is to get pat that and tinker with
> audio?

Which 'difficult to install' Linux tools would those be?
-- 
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Woofbert wrote:

> In article <409f78a4$0$28295$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
>  Matt Parker <mattNODAMNSPAM@mpcontracting.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Woofbert wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <1084139067.460788@nnrp2.phx1.gblx.net>,
>> >  Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Unless and until you can verify that your soundcard drivers are
>> >> working properly you should stay away from the higher-level
>> >> applications.
>> >> 
>> >> Distros are just now starting to ship with eh 2.6 kernel, which
>> >> (finally) has native support for recordable optical drives (no more
>> >> ide-scsi!)
>> >> 
>> >> Once you have that working, you might consider Audacity (which is
>> >> cross-platform, so you can learn it on a Mac
>> > 
>> > What would be the point of that? Tools already exist on the Mac that do
>> > exactly what's needed.
>> > 
>> 
>> You forgot to add "that you have to pay for". My other half successfully
>> uses Audacity alongside Garageband since it adds capabilities not
>> available with the free Mac tools. Since she is only an amateur tinkering
>> around, why should she shell out �600 for the latest Sonic Foundry or
>> Steinberg release?
>> 
>> Matt
> 
> Because for about a tenth of that she could get Toast. Someome else
> explained how to do it using QuickTime which comes with the Mac.
> 
> Why should someone tinker with the typically difficult to install and
> configure Linux tools when the intent is to get pat that and tinker with
> audio?
> 

Audacity comes on a .dmg for OSX and installs the sameway that any other OSX
tool does. And it's still cheaper than Toast (which is a burning
application anyway, not a sound manipulation application). As for using
QuickTime, you need to buy QT Pro to do anything useful and then you said
it need explanation. Do you have plugins for audio compression, EQ,
normalisation etc in QT Pro or do you have to pay for those? They come as
standard in Audacity, for free. If you're just an enthusiastic amateur why
pay for something when there's something (often better) available without
ANY layout of cash.

I know I keep banging on about Audacity, but that's the only "Linux" app
I've deployed on OSX (it's not my machine). I'm sure others could come up
with other software too.

Matt

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