Ubuntu JooJoo is gonna kill the iPiddy

Ubuntu JooJoo is gonna kill the iPiddy -------------------------------------- http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2010/04/30/a-look-at-joojoo-web-tablet-the-ipad-rival-40088823/ http://www.liliputing.com/2010/04/joojoo-tablet-reviewed-verdict-maybe-you-should-replace-the-operating-system.html I'm not buying into iPid rubbish which doesn't have USB or play flash content. So it looks as though I'm buying JooJoo with its support of USB and flash and putting Ubuntu or Ubuntu remix on it. 300 pounds is a lot for a pad when others are due out for 100 pounds. So its a waiting game for now.

On Sun, 02 May 2010 12:49:27 +0000, 7 wrote: > Ubuntu JooJoo is gonna kill the iPiddy > -------------------------------------- > > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2010/04/30/a-look-at-joojoo- web-tablet-the-ipad-rival-40088823/ > > http://www.liliputing.com/2010/04/joojoo-tablet-reviewed-verdict-maybe- you-should-replace-the-operating-system.html > > I'm not buying into iPid rubbish which doesn't have USB or play flash > content. So it looks as though I'm buying JooJoo with its support of USB > and flash and putting Ubuntu or Ubuntu remix on it. 300 pounds is a lot > for a pad when others are due out for 100 pounds. So its a waiting game > for now. 7, Calling the iPad the iPid, Apple:Appil, and the like is just playing into the hands of the trolls. There are true weaknesses enough to point out without having to resort to such things. And the only thing that will --kill-- the iPad, iPhones and iPods is Apple. They, like Microsoft, will all be around for a while. -- Rick

Rick wrote: > On Sun, 02 May 2010 12:49:27 +0000, 7 wrote: > >> Ubuntu JooJoo is gonna kill the iPiddy >> -------------------------------------- >> >> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2010/04/30/a-look-at-joojoo- > web-tablet-the-ipad-rival-40088823/ >> >> http://www.liliputing.com/2010/04/joojoo-tablet-reviewed-verdict-maybe- > you-should-replace-the-operating-system.html >> >> I'm not buying into iPid rubbish which doesn't have USB or play flash >> content. So it looks as though I'm buying JooJoo with its support of USB >> and flash and putting Ubuntu or Ubuntu remix on it. 300 pounds is a lot >> for a pad when others are due out for 100 pounds. So its a waiting game >> for now. > > 7, > > Calling the iPad the iPid, Apple:Appil, and the like is just playing into > the hands of the trolls. Nope. This is something completely separate. This is a byproduct of UK regulations and food for thought for UK regulators and internet historians. In UK you are not allowed to speak your mind. > There are true weaknesses enough to point out > without having to resort to such things. > And the only thing that will --kill-- the iPad, iPhones and iPods is > Apple. They, like Microsoft, will all be around for a while. Personally I have severe doubts over such claims. Pads will trade on thinner margins than PCs and netbooks for the volumes that are needed to service existing market demand, so it makes sense to put Linux on it and forget other osen and let the manufacturers keep all the hardware margins. It is only right that PC vendors should be given the opportunity to sell and install competing OSen once hardware is delivered to their shop so that they too can make money in pre-install distro marketing, install and upgrading by involving themselves in the software margins business. It is worth billions. There is more money for retailers if they engaged in that than simply become dim box shifting operations. They can make deals with distro makers to install the choice of OS into pads. The choices having been made in on-line shopping baskets.

On Sun, 02 May 2010 15:26:16 +0000, 7 wrote: > Rick wrote: > >> On Sun, 02 May 2010 12:49:27 +0000, 7 wrote: >> >>> Ubuntu JooJoo is gonna kill the iPiddy >>> -------------------------------------- >>> >>> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2010/04/30/a-look-at- joojoo- >> web-tablet-the-ipad-rival-40088823/ >>> >>> http://www.liliputing.com/2010/04/joojoo-tablet-reviewed-verdict- maybe- >> you-should-replace-the-operating-system.html >>> >>> I'm not buying into iPid rubbish which doesn't have USB or play flash >>> content. So it looks as though I'm buying JooJoo with its support of >>> USB and flash and putting Ubuntu or Ubuntu remix on it. 300 pounds is >>> a lot for a pad when others are due out for 100 pounds. So its a >>> waiting game for now. >> >> 7, >> >> Calling the iPad the iPid, Apple:Appil, and the like is just playing >> into the hands of the trolls. > > Nope. This is something completely separate. This is a byproduct of UK > regulations and food for thought for UK regulators and internet > historians. In UK you are not allowed to speak your mind. > > >> There are true weaknesses enough to point out without having to resort >> to such things. > >> And the only thing that will --kill-- the iPad, iPhones and iPods is >> Apple. They, like Microsoft, will all be around for a while. > > > Personally I have severe doubts over such claims. Apparently the SEC reports bear them out. > Pads will trade on > thinner margins than PCs and netbooks for the volumes that are needed to > service existing market demand, so it makes sense to put Linux on it and > forget other osen and let the manufacturers keep all the hardware > margins. It is only right that PC vendors should be given the > opportunity to sell and install competing OSen once hardware is > delivered to their shop so that they too can make money in pre-install > distro marketing, install and upgrading by involving themselves in the > software margins business. It is worth billions. There is more money for > retailers if they engaged in that than simply become dim box shifting > operations. They can make deals with distro makers to install the choice > of OS into pads. The choices having been made in on-line shopping > baskets. Apple is doing quite well margin and profit wise these days. As far as the other platforms go, they will be supported by "vendor install ware"... vendors paying to have their crap installed. Neither Apple, nor Microsoft have to die in order for OSS to "win", which I define as being more widely available, and chosen by users. -- Rick

Rick wrote: > Calling the iPad the iPid, Apple:Appil, and the like is just playing into > the hands of the trolls. There are true weaknesses enough to point out > without having to resort to such things. Agreed on the playing with names. I think what's going to kill the iPad is that it's a tablet and, besides being a toy and a very expensive eReader, it has no practical purpose. That said, I don't see any huge surge of Linux tablets either -- unless they're cheap enough that people afford them as (basically) toys. I think Always Innovating's Touch Book is pretty impressive, however -- but that's because it's a netbook *and* a tablet. -- RonB "There's a story there...somewhere"

On May 2, 8:49=A0am, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote: > Ubuntu JooJoo is gonna kill the iPiddy > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2010/04/30/a-look-at-joojo... > http://www.liliputing.com/2010/04/joojoo-tablet-reviewed-verdict-mayb... > I'm not buying into iPid rubbish which doesn't have USB or play flash con= tent. Let's not forget censorship based on the subjective economic, political, and sexual preferences of Steve Jobs and other apple top executives. I went to the verizon store and saw the Droid, and went to the "shop for apps" and because the "nanny-gate" hadn't been set, you could see the thousands of applications including both liberal and conservative media, more "mature" entertainment, and other content that was clearly excluded by apple. Many of the applications were written in Java s well, which Apple doesn't permit. For all of these reasons, it's likely that Android and Chromium will do to iPhone and iPad what Windows did to the original Mac and MacSE back in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Keep in mind that though Apple has the largest percentage of the "Smart-phone" market, Linux and Linux-based technologies now power a substantial portion of both the smart-phone AND the media-phone Symbian based systems such as the LG Touch, Versa, and Env. Other traditional phones such as the Razr, Env-3, and several LG phones - are actually running full-blown embedded Linux. > So it looks as though I'm buying JooJoo with its support of USB and flash > and putting Ubuntu or Ubuntu remix on it. 300 pounds is a lot for a pad w= hen others are due out for 100 pounds. > So its a waiting game for now. Remember that the iPad is Apple's response not to the e-book or kindle, but the NetBook and SmartBook. These devices have become very popular, and Linux created a huge market for them, even when Microsoft was reluctantly scrambling to offer Windows XP for them. Unfortunately for Microsoft, Windows 7 Starter just isn't cutting it as a NetBook platform. People are buying the laptop, but often they are opting to downgrade to XP or installing Linux. Several NetBooks are also capable of booting Linux from the built-in flash, or from SDHC chips, making Linux much easier to install and configure. With improved support for NTFS, it's possible to use the Windows storage for your Linux systems. Since the 8 gig SDHC are as cheap as $29 (US) - it's real easy to try out several Linux distributions - then if you get one you really like, you can install it in as little as 10 minutes - less time than it takes to boot some Windows laptops to a fully functional state. The GOOD thing about Windows 7 starter, is that Microsoft makes it really easy to run inexpensively.

Rick wrote: > On Sun, 02 May 2010 15:26:16 +0000, 7 wrote: > >> Rick wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 02 May 2010 12:49:27 +0000, 7 wrote: >>> >>>> Ubuntu JooJoo is gonna kill the iPiddy >>>> -------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2010/04/30/a-look-at- > joojoo- >>> web-tablet-the-ipad-rival-40088823/ >>>> >>>> http://www.liliputing.com/2010/04/joojoo-tablet-reviewed-verdict- > maybe- >>> you-should-replace-the-operating-system.html >>>> >>>> I'm not buying into iPid rubbish which doesn't have USB or play flash >>>> content. So it looks as though I'm buying JooJoo with its support of >>>> USB and flash and putting Ubuntu or Ubuntu remix on it. 300 pounds is >>>> a lot for a pad when others are due out for 100 pounds. So its a >>>> waiting game for now. >>> >>> 7, >>> >>> Calling the iPad the iPid, Apple:Appil, and the like is just playing >>> into the hands of the trolls. >> >> Nope. This is something completely separate. This is a byproduct of UK >> regulations and food for thought for UK regulators and internet >> historians. In UK you are not allowed to speak your mind. >> >> >>> There are true weaknesses enough to point out without having to resort >>> to such things. >> >>> And the only thing that will --kill-- the iPad, iPhones and iPods is >>> Apple. They, like Microsoft, will all be around for a while. >> >> >> Personally I have severe doubts over such claims. > > Apparently the SEC reports bear them out. Because the companies in question wrote it and gloss over as much as they dare. >> Pads will trade on >> thinner margins than PCs and netbooks for the volumes that are needed to >> service existing market demand, so it makes sense to put Linux on it and >> forget other osen and let the manufacturers keep all the hardware >> margins. It is only right that PC vendors should be given the >> opportunity to sell and install competing OSen once hardware is >> delivered to their shop so that they too can make money in pre-install >> distro marketing, install and upgrading by involving themselves in the >> software margins business. It is worth billions. There is more money for >> retailers if they engaged in that than simply become dim box shifting >> operations. They can make deals with distro makers to install the choice >> of OS into pads. The choices having been made in on-line shopping >> baskets. > > Apple is doing quite well margin and profit wise these days. Numbers do matter but game changers are afoot. Blackberry has left appil in the dust last year. Google android is damaging it even more this year lifting for example the whole UK market for mobile phones. > As far as the other platforms go, they will be supported by "vendor > install ware"... vendors paying to have their crap installed. > > Neither Apple, nor Microsoft have to die in order for OSS to "win", which > I define as being more widely available, and chosen by users. The death they feel is relative. Linux sells some 5 to 10 million embedded Linux gadgets PER DAY and growing.

In article <uzeDn.13577$1k3.7047@newsfe04.ams2>, 7 <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote: > Ubuntu JooJoo is gonna kill the iPiddy > -------------------------------------- > > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2010/04/30/a-look-at-joojoo-web-tab > let-the-ipad-rival-40088823/ > > http://www.liliputing.com/2010/04/joojoo-tablet-reviewed-verdict-maybe-you-sho > uld-replace-the-operating-system.html > > I'm not buying into iPid rubbish which doesn't have USB or play flash > content. > So it looks as though I'm buying JooJoo with its support of USB and flash > and putting Ubuntu or Ubuntu remix on it. 300 pounds is a lot for a pad when > others are due out for 100 pounds. > So its a waiting game for now. I guess that's what years of settling for third or fourth best has done to you, 7. You are excited about a device that makes 720p video look like a slideshow, gets hot while doing so, and has 2.5 hours battery life. But hey, stay away from video, and you can goose it up to a whopping 5 hours--less than half what an iPad can get playing constant video without dropping frames. -- --Tim Smith

On Sunday 02 May 2010 19:35 Rex Ballard wrote: > The GOOD thing about Windows 7 starter, is that Microsoft makes it > really easy to run inexpensively. That's a bit garbled, Rex, but I think that what you are trying to say is that the inclusion of Windows 7 Starter Edition has little effect on the selling price of the total unit? I'd certainly agree with that. It's even possible (after allowing for fees for installing trial-ware) that the installation of Windows 7 Starter actually *reduces* the cost of the unit, in that they'd need to sell it for more if they sold it bare? For the moment, I think that this is the best "compromise" that we can get on many devices. The manufacturer has to install *something* to show that it works. If that has to be Windows Starter (because many people want Windows), and it's adding nothing to the cost, I'm prepared to accept it - for the moment. What I *would* find interesting is the cost ("Anytime Upgrade"?) from Starter to other editions. I don't suppose that you or others could provide me with the figures? For instance, the upgrade prices *from* W7 Home Premium, in the U.K. are listed as:- to Professional £120 to Ultimate £125 I'd like to know what the (3) numbers are starting with Starter Edition.

On 5/2/2010 6:36 PM, bbgruff wrote: > I don't suppose that you or others could provide me with the figures? > For instance, the upgrade prices *from* W7 Home Premium, in the U.K. are > listed as:- > to Professional £120 > to Ultimate £125 > > I'd like to know what the (3) numbers are starting with Starter Edition. Mr Gruff, Why are you unable to do your own research?

On Monday 03 May 2010 00:05 DFS wrote: > On 5/2/2010 6:36 PM, bbgruff wrote: > > >> I don't suppose that you or others could provide me with the figures? >> For instance, the upgrade prices *from* W7 Home Premium, in the U.K. are >> listed as:- >> to Professional £120 >> to Ultimate £125 >> >> I'd like to know what the (3) numbers are starting with Starter Edition. > > > Mr Gruff, > > Why are you unable to do your own research? I'll put you down as a "don't know" then. This is a significant change. Previously you were filed under "know-it-all".

bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > On Monday 03 May 2010 00:05 DFS wrote: > >> On 5/2/2010 6:36 PM, bbgruff wrote: >> >> >>> I don't suppose that you or others could provide me with the figures? >>> For instance, the upgrade prices *from* W7 Home Premium, in the U.K. are >>> listed as:- >>> to Professional £120 >>> to Ultimate £125 >>> >>> I'd like to know what the (3) numbers are starting with Starter Edition. >> >> >> Mr Gruff, >> >> Why are you unable to do your own research? > > I'll put you down as a "don't know" then. > This is a significant change. Previously you were filed > under "know-it-all". Whereas you can be filed under "idiot". There is this thing called Google. It's new but its good. While I realise you and your ilk get all your info from Spamowitz, others of us like to do our OWN research and verify the sources. You should try that.

On 5/2/2010 7:31 PM, bbgruff wrote: > On Monday 03 May 2010 00:05 DFS wrote: > >> On 5/2/2010 6:36 PM, bbgruff wrote: >> >> >>> I don't suppose that you or others could provide me with the figures? >>> For instance, the upgrade prices *from* W7 Home Premium, in the U.K. are >>> listed as:- >>> to Professional £120 >>> to Ultimate £125 >>> >>> I'd like to know what the (3) numbers are starting with Starter Edition. >> >> >> Mr Gruff, >> >> Why are you unable to do your own research? > > I'll put you down as a "don't know" then. > This is a significant change. Previously you were filed > under "know-it-all". You've often requested someone on cola do research for you. Why? I'm not going to do it this time. Go to the Microsoft website yourself.

Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt pounding the sock Tim Smith wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Traffic Light Department of Marketing: >> Ubuntu JooJoo is gonna kill the iPiddy >> -------------------------------------- >> >> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2010/04/30/a-look-at-joojoo- web-tab >> let-the-ipad-rival-40088823/ >> >> http://www.liliputing.com/2010/04/joojoo-tablet-reviewed-verdict-maybe- you-sho >> uld-replace-the-operating-system.html >> >> I'm not buying into iPid rubbish which doesn't have USB or play flash >> content. >> So it looks as though I'm buying JooJoo with its support of USB and flash >> and putting Ubuntu or Ubuntu remix on it. 300 pounds is a lot for a pad >> when others are due out for 100 pounds. >> So its a waiting game for now. > > I guess that's what years of settling for third or fourth best has done > to you, 7. You are excited about a device that makes 720p video look > like a slideshow, gets hot while doing so, and has 2.5 hours battery > life. But hey, stay away from video, and you can goose it up to a > whopping 5 hours--less than half what an iPad can get playing constant > video without dropping frames. This sounds like appil crap marketing gasping for air and asstroturfing for money but ipiddy has no USB support and all my data including video are easily transferred on USB sticks.

Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt pounding the sock Hadron wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Traffic Light Department of Marketing: >>> Mr Gruff, >>> >>> Why are you unable to do your own research? >> >> I'll put you down as a "don't know" then. >> This is a significant change. Previously you were filed >> under "know-it-all". > > Whereas you can be filed under "idiot". There is this thing called > Google. It's new but its good. While I realise you and your ilk get all > your info from Spamowitz, others of us like to do our OWN research and > verify the sources. You should try that. I just searched google for "idiot" and "Hadron" and your post came up. Now thats funny! :-)

In article <dFwDn.13605$1k3.3957@newsfe04.ams2>, 7 <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote: > Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt > pounding the sock Tim Smith wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft > Appil Traffic Light Department of Marketing: > > > > >> Ubuntu JooJoo is gonna kill the iPiddy > >> -------------------------------------- > >> > >> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2010/04/30/a-look-at-joojoo- > web-tab > >> let-the-ipad-rival-40088823/ > >> > >> http://www.liliputing.com/2010/04/joojoo-tablet-reviewed-verdict-maybe- > you-sho > >> uld-replace-the-operating-system.html > >> > >> I'm not buying into iPid rubbish which doesn't have USB or play flash > >> content. > >> So it looks as though I'm buying JooJoo with its support of USB and flash > >> and putting Ubuntu or Ubuntu remix on it. 300 pounds is a lot for a pad > >> when others are due out for 100 pounds. > >> So its a waiting game for now. > > > > I guess that's what years of settling for third or fourth best has done > > to you, 7. You are excited about a device that makes 720p video look > > like a slideshow, gets hot while doing so, and has 2.5 hours battery > > life. But hey, stay away from video, and you can goose it up to a > > whopping 5 hours--less than half what an iPad can get playing constant > > video without dropping frames. > > > This sounds like appil crap marketing gasping for air and asstroturfing > for money but ipiddy has no USB support and all my data including video > are easily transferred on USB sticks. So you didn't read the reviews cited in the links *you* posted, did you? -- --Tim Smith

bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On Monday 03 May 2010 00:05 DFS wrote: > >> On 5/2/2010 6:36 PM, bbgruff wrote: >> >> >>> I don't suppose that you or others could provide me with the figures? >>> For instance, the upgrade prices *from* W7 Home Premium, in the U.K. are >>> listed as:- >>> to Professional �120 >>> to Ultimate �125 >>> >>> I'd like to know what the (3) numbers are starting with Starter Edition. >> >> >> Mr Gruff, >> >> Why are you unable to do your own research? > > I'll put you down as a "don't know" then. > This is a significant change. Previously you were filed > under "know-it-all". > LOL

owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> writes: > bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> On Monday 03 May 2010 00:05 DFS wrote: >> >>> On 5/2/2010 6:36 PM, bbgruff wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I don't suppose that you or others could provide me with the figures? >>>> For instance, the upgrade prices *from* W7 Home Premium, in the U.K. are >>>> listed as:- >>>> to Professional £120 >>>> to Ultimate £125 >>>> >>>> I'd like to know what the (3) numbers are starting with Starter Edition. >>> >>> >>> Mr Gruff, >>> >>> Why are you unable to do your own research? >> >> I'll put you down as a "don't know" then. >> This is a significant change. Previously you were filed >> under "know-it-all". >> > > LOL The only thing funny about that is that bbgruff is being an arse again. Google is that way -> He can do his OWN research and then maybe wont appear to be quite such a Klutz.