Verizon Android phones - comp.os.linux.advocacy

Just a quick look at the Android phones Verizon is offering... LG Ally Pre-Owned $0 LG Ally -- $50 Motorola Devour -- $80 Motorola Droid Pre-Owned -- $100 Motorola Droix X Pre-Owned -- $150 HTC Droid Incredible Pre-Owned $150 HTC Droid Incredible -- $200 Motorola Droid X -- $200 Motorola Droid 2 -- $200 Samsung Fascinate -- $200 Motorola Droid R2D2 -- $250 So Verizon offers seven Android phones. Prices (for non-Pre Owned, certified) phones range from $50 to $250. So, obviously, the number one wireless cell phone provider in the United States believes choice is a good thing. Guess what their top three selling phones are (not just smartphones, all phones)? Droid X, Samsung Fascinate and Droid 2 -- all of which sell for $200. Weird how people like choice, isn't it? Maybe someone should tell Verizon it's all a bad idea. -- RonB Registered Linux User #498581 CentOS 5.5 or Fedora 13 or VectorLinux Deluxe 6.0

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote: > Just a quick look at the Android phones Verizon is offering... > > LG Ally Pre-Owned $0 > LG Ally -- $50 > Motorola Devour -- $80 > Motorola Droid Pre-Owned -- $100 > Motorola Droix X Pre-Owned -- $150 > HTC Droid Incredible Pre-Owned $150 > HTC Droid Incredible -- $200 > Motorola Droid X -- $200 > Motorola Droid 2 -- $200 > Samsung Fascinate -- $200 > Motorola Droid R2D2 -- $250 > > So Verizon offers seven Android phones. Prices (for non-Pre Owned, > certified) phones range from $50 to $250. So, obviously, the number > one > wireless cell phone provider in the United States believes choice is a > > good thing. > > Guess what their top three selling phones are (not just smartphones, > all > phones)? Droid X, Samsung Fascinate and Droid 2 -- all of which sell > for > $200. > > Weird how people like choice, isn't it? Maybe someone should tell > Verizon > it's all a bad idea. > Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad? -- Insert .sig here

In article <i8jnjp$b43$1@news.eternal-september.org>, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote: > Just a quick look at the Android phones Verizon is offering... > > LG Ally Pre-Owned $0 > LG Ally -- $50 > Motorola Devour -- $80 > Motorola Droid Pre-Owned -- $100 > Motorola Droix X Pre-Owned -- $150 > HTC Droid Incredible Pre-Owned $150 > HTC Droid Incredible -- $200 > Motorola Droid X -- $200 > Motorola Droid 2 -- $200 > Samsung Fascinate -- $200 > Motorola Droid R2D2 -- $250 > > So Verizon offers seven Android phones. Prices (for non-Pre Owned, > certified) phones range from $50 to $250. So, obviously, the number one > wireless cell phone provider in the United States believes choice is a > good thing. > > Guess what their top three selling phones are (not just smartphones, all > phones)? Droid X, Samsung Fascinate and Droid 2 -- all of which sell for > $200. > > Weird how people like choice, isn't it? Maybe someone should tell Verizon > it's all a bad idea. I never claimed that offering a choice of more price points was a bad idea. Merely that it likely didn't provide much market benefit. The fact that the top three phones on Verizon all cost just as much as the iPhone 4 tends to support the notion that there probably aren't a lot of extra customers to be had by offering really cheap models. So, thanks for doing the research for me. -- "The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 02:12:20 -0400, ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote: > idea. Merely that it likely didn't provide much market benefit. The fact > that the top three phones on Verizon all cost just as much as the iPhone > 4 tends to support the notion that there probably aren't a lot of extra > customers to be had by offering really cheap models. So, thanks for > doing the research for me. The problem with the Droids is battery life is very weak even with an extended life battery. You have to manage applications that are left running after they have been used with a task manager to avoid battery life being sucked down fast. I have a cigarette lighter for the car charger I keep in the car, and I have the charger that's an AC plug and USB charger. You have to have them with you if you start using applications. Other than that, I love the Droid by HTC. The other thing with Verizon is they will lock you into a 2 year plan. You have to have some money in your pockets if you want to use a Droid. -- posted with a Droid

Big Steel 99 the X factor Droid <fake@fakeemail.com> writes: > On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 02:12:20 -0400, ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote: >> idea. Merely that it likely didn't provide much market benefit. The > fact >> that the top three phones on Verizon all cost just as much as the > iPhone >> 4 tends to support the notion that there probably aren't a lot of > extra >> customers to be had by offering really cheap models. So, thanks for >> doing the research for me. > > The problem with the Droids is battery life is very weak even with an > extended life battery. You have to manage applications that are left > running after they have been used with a task manager to avoid > battery life being sucked down fast. I have a cigarette lighter for The design of Android means that shouldn't be the case IF, and thats the clincher, they are designed correctly. All apps should be able to be told by the OS to close and to save their state for the next invocation (few apps REALLY need to to multitask and we dont want them doing that generally since it sucks the battery dry). > the car charger I keep in the car, and I have the charger that's an > AC plug and USB charger. You have to have them with you if you start > using applications. > > Other than that, I love the Droid by HTC. The other thing with > Verizon is they will lock you into a 2 year plan. You have to have > some money in your pockets if you want to use a Droid. Juicedefender almost doubles my battery life but at the expense of some connectivity.

Snit wrote: > Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad? Is that a serious question (in which case you must be a newcomer to this group), or are you just pulling the proverbial plonker?

bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > Snit wrote: > >> Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad? > > Is that a serious question (in which case you must be a newcomer to this > group), or are you just pulling the proverbial plonker? Are you serious? NO ONE has said "choice is bad". But of course you know that which is why you snipped. If it needs explaining to you again how TOO MUCH choice is bad then you're either in denial or retarded. Please go read the links about Android users being left behind with old versions of basically a beta OS.

Hadron wrote: > bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > >> Snit wrote: >> >>> Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad? >> >> Is that a serious question (in which case you must be a newcomer to this >> group), or are you just pulling the proverbial plonker? > > Are you serious? > > NO ONE has said "choice is bad". You do. Regularly and often > But of course you know that which is why you snipped. He snipped nothing relevant > If it needs explaining to you again how TOO MUCH choice is bad then > you're either in denial or retarded. Well, thats the clincher. Who is going to decide what comprises "too much choice"? You certainly don't qualify,as you have proven time and again that the only choice you can stand is *your* choice, and nothing else In fact, *nobody* is going to qualify, as there is simply noone but myself who is going to decide what amount of choice is good for me So just let your idiotic "choice is bad" mantra where it belongs: In your nether-regions. Because thats exactly where you pulled it from, "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark > Please go read the links about Android users being left behind with old > versions of basically a beta OS. They aren't "left behind". The vast majority of apps work on older versions too And how would you describe a "beta OS"? Might any OS you don't like qualify? Like, for example, Android and Linux? -- I just found out that the brain is like a computer. If that's true, then there really aren't any stupid people. Just people running Windows.

Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> writes: > Hadron wrote: > >> bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> writes: >> >>> Snit wrote: >>> >>>> Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad? >>> >>> Is that a serious question (in which case you must be a newcomer to this >>> group), or are you just pulling the proverbial plonker? >> >> Are you serious? >> >> NO ONE has said "choice is bad". > > You do. Regularly and often You are, of course, a liar. > >> But of course you know that which is why you snipped. > > He snipped nothing relevant Yes he did. You are a liar. > >> If it needs explaining to you again how TOO MUCH choice is bad then >> you're either in denial or retarded. > > Well, thats the clincher. > Who is going to decide what comprises "too much choice"? Consumers. Who decides ANYTHING? > > You certainly don't qualify,as you have proven time and again that the only > choice you can stand is *your* choice, and nothing else Total nonsense of course. > In fact, *nobody* is going to qualify, as there is simply noone but myself who > is going to decide what amount of choice is good for me Thats nice. But we're not talking about a selfish dickhead like you. We're discussing the bigger picture and whats best for the consumer market as a whole. > > So just let your idiotic "choice is bad" mantra where it belongs: In > your You are a liar. No one has said "choice is bad". So thats your whole post rubbished there and then. > nether-regions. Because thats exactly where you pulled it from, "OSS culling > committee chairman" Hadron Quark What are you talking about? Chrisv was advocating LESS choice. > >> Please go read the links about Android users being left behind with old >> versions of basically a beta OS. > > They aren't "left behind". > The vast majority of apps work on older versions too Wrong of course. And its nothing to do with the apps. Its to do with the OS stability, speed and battery usage. > > And how would you describe a "beta OS"? Might any OS you don't like qualify? > Like, for example, Android and Linux What are you talking about? I like both. But 2.1 is a buggy POS and 2.2 is FAR better, far faster and far more stable. Debian I love and use daily professionally. You do not. Since you, like Creepy, are a closed source Windows programmer.

Hadron wrote: > bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > >> Snit wrote: >> >>> Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad? >> >> Is that a serious question (in which case you must be a newcomer to this >> group), or are you just pulling the proverbial plonker? > > Are you serious? > > NO ONE has said "choice is bad". > > But of course you know that which is why you snipped. Listen sunshine - if you look back and *read* instead of shooting your mouth off as usual, you will find that I actually reproduced the *entire* of Snit's "contribution" - in full - verbatim. I don't know what your problem is. Certainly you are the most belligerent, arrogant little sod around here. I suspect that you were bullied a lot at school. Whatever, imo you need to learn to live with your personal shortcomings, and get used to the idea that that acting like a spoiled child and throwing gratuitous insults at every poster is *not* a sign of maturity. > If it needs explaining to you again how TOO MUCH choice is bad then > you're either in denial or retarded. Not only wrong, but also irrelevant. I was responding to Snit's post, which in full, verbatim, said:- "Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad?" In response to that, *you* have now demonstrated that he is wrong, so perhaps I should thank you! > Please go read the links about Android users being left behind with old > versions of basically a beta OS. Nothing to do with it. I'm not discussing whether choice in good, bad or indifferent. merely Snit's question. "Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad?" You seem to be making my point for me quite well. You are not alone. There are many derogatory references in this group to "hundreds of Linux distros" etc. Consequently, if Snit is of the opinion that there is in this group only one poster who says anything about "choice being bad", he is mistaken.

bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > Hadron wrote: > >> bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> writes: >> >>> Snit wrote: >>> >>>> Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad? >>> >>> Is that a serious question (in which case you must be a newcomer to this >>> group), or are you just pulling the proverbial plonker? >> >> Are you serious? >> >> NO ONE has said "choice is bad". >> >> But of course you know that which is why you snipped. > > Listen sunshine - if you look back and *read* instead of shooting your mouth > off as usual, you will find that I actually reproduced the *entire* of > Snit's "contribution" - in full - verbatim. Try readin what was said before embarassing yourself. You snipped. EOS. ,---- | Subject: Re: Verizon Android phones | From: bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> | Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:58:47 +0100 | | Snit wrote: | | > Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad? | | Is that a serious question (in which case you must be a newcomer to this | group), or are you just pulling the proverbial plonker? | `---- > > I don't know what your problem is. Certainly you are the most belligerent, > arrogant little sod around here. I suspect that you were bullied a lot at > school. No. I just dont like COLA liars. See above? I didnt say you snipped Snit. I said you SNIPPED. And if you think I am worse than chrisv, koehlmann or a host of others then you're a bigger idiot than them. > > Whatever, imo you need to learn to live with your personal shortcomings, and > get used to the idea that that acting like a spoiled child and throwing > gratuitous insults at every poster is *not* a sign of maturity. I dont at every poster. Just "advocates". > >> If it needs explaining to you again how TOO MUCH choice is bad then >> you're either in denial or retarded. > > Not only wrong, but also irrelevant. And of course you wont back that up. But it HAS been shown to you many times how research PROVES toomuch choice is detrimental for end user research and decision making. Its not even rocket science. > I was responding to Snit's post, which in full, verbatim, said:- > > "Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad?" > > In response to that, *you* have now demonstrated that he is wrong, so > perhaps I should thank you! I have done nothing of the kind. He has been totally consistent in his view as have I. In other words you are telling lies. > >> Please go read the links about Android users being left behind with old >> versions of basically a beta OS. > > Nothing to do with it. Yes it has. A lot. > I'm not discussing whether choice in good, bad or indifferent. merely > Snit's Yes you are. You do in this very post. You seem to be getting confused. > question. "Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad?" > You seem to be making my point for me quite well. You are not alone. There > are many derogatory references in this group to "hundreds of Linux distros" > etc. Yes. Far too many. But saying that doesnt mean we think ALL choice is bad. Surely you're not so retarded as to take a comment about too many Linux distros and infer fro that that we think ALL choice is bad? Only a total idiot would do that. Or a dishonest, retarded COLA "advocate". > Consequently, if Snit is of the opinion that there is in this group only one > poster who says anything about "choice being bad", he is mistaken. You seem to have have lost track of your own position.

bbgruff stated in post 8h5ge7F2c7U1@mid.individual.net on 10/7/10 1:58 AM: > Snit wrote: > >> Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad? > > Is that a serious question (in which case you must be a newcomer to this > group), or are you just pulling the proverbial plonker? Serious question. If someone has, please quote them. The only recent examples I can think of are when RonB and perhaps some others were arguing against ZnU when he said he thought more choice would be better for the cell phone industry... he thinks *more* OSs would be better, RonB argued against that - taking an anti-choice stance. RonB has also argued against my view that more choice for desktop Linux users would be a good thing... again taking an anti-choice stance. Others have joined him on this. But the people RonB is accusing of being anti-choice rarely if ever are. He attributes his own anti-choice ideas to them. Repeatedly. Which is, oddly, "understandable" to TomB. Not to me... I find it reprehensible for him to fabricate such stories. -- [INSERT .SIG HERE]

Hadron stated in post i8k3bj$rbk$1@news.eternal-september.org on 10/7/10 2:19 AM: > bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > >> Snit wrote: >> >>> Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad? >> >> Is that a serious question (in which case you must be a newcomer to this >> group), or are you just pulling the proverbial plonker? > > Are you serious? > > NO ONE has said "choice is bad". Well, not in so many words perhaps, but people have argued against my view that *more* choice for desktop Linux users would be a good thing. People have argued against ZnU's comments that he thinks more OS choice in the cell market would be a good thing. Ironically, RonB is one of the ones who has taken these anti-choice stances. > But of course you know that which is why you snipped. > > If it needs explaining to you again how TOO MUCH choice is bad then > you're either in denial or retarded. I am not sure I would even say too much choice is bad... more choices lead to trade-offs... some good and some bad. Accepting this fairly obvious fact, though, leads some in COLA to make up stories about "culling committees" and the like. Just idiotic. > Please go read the links about Android users being left behind with old > versions of basically a beta OS. -- [INSERT .SIG HERE]

Hadron stated in post i8k7ij$76h$3@news.eternal-september.org on 10/7/10 3:31 AM: > Peter K�hlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> writes: > >> Hadron wrote: >> >>> bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> writes: >>> >>>> Snit wrote: >>>> >>>>> Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad? >>>> >>>> Is that a serious question (in which case you must be a newcomer to this >>>> group), or are you just pulling the proverbial plonker? >>> >>> Are you serious? >>> >>> NO ONE has said "choice is bad". >> >> You do. Regularly and often > > You are, of course, a liar. And if he did not know that he would quote you. Not even Peter believes the BS he spews. Peter whines about others "lying" but cannot ever quote them doing so - and here he is clearly fabricating stories there is *no* reason to think even he believes. .... -- [INSERT .SIG HERE]

"Peter K�hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> schreef in bericht news:i8k6mb$smb$02$1@news.t-online.com... > Hadron wrote: > >> bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> writes: >> >>> Snit wrote: >>> >>>> Other than you, who has said anything about choice being bad? >>> >>> Is that a serious question (in which case you must be a newcomer to this >>> group), or are you just pulling the proverbial plonker? >> >> Are you serious? >> >> NO ONE has said "choice is bad". > > You do. Regularly and often > >> But of course you know that which is why you snipped. > > He snipped nothing relevant > >> If it needs explaining to you again how TOO MUCH choice is bad then >> you're either in denial or retarded. > > Well, thats the clincher. > Who is going to decide what comprises "too much choice"? > > You certainly don't qualify,as you have proven time and again that the > only > choice you can stand is *your* choice, and nothing else > In fact, *nobody* is going to qualify, as there is simply noone but myself > who > is going to decide what amount of choice is good for me > > So just let your idiotic "choice is bad" mantra where it belongs: In your > nether-regions. Because thats exactly where you pulled it from, "OSS > culling > committee chairman" Hadron Quark > >> Please go read the links about Android users being left behind with old >> versions of basically a beta OS. > > They aren't "left behind". > The vast majority of apps work on older versions too > > And how would you describe a "beta OS"? Might any OS you don't like > qualify? > Like, for example, Android and Linux? Hey Kohlkopf, no one here gives a flying fuck about the lame crap you post!