Here's one.  Running the fluxbox window manager.  I toggle over to desktop 2
and start up VirtualBox.  Boot XP, then go back to the VirtualBox manager
app and do Help About.  I send the Help About dialog back to desktop 1 so I
can use the Firefox that is already there to Google up the latest version
number.

So Desktop 1 has the VirtualBox Help About and Firefox, while Desktop 2 has
the VirtualBox manager and XP running in a Window.

I try to go to Desktop 2.  It appears briefly, and then I'm right back at
desktop 1.

It's like the Help About on Desktop 1 was pulling me back.

Weird.  Doesn't happen with Firefox's Help About.

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Chris Ahlstrom stated in post i1ilso$rlg$1@news.eternal-september.org on
7/13/10 2:30 PM:

> Here's one.  Running the fluxbox window manager.  I toggle over to desktop 2
> and start up VirtualBox.  Boot XP, then go back to the VirtualBox manager
> app and do Help About.  I send the Help About dialog back to desktop 1 so I
> can use the Firefox that is already there to Google up the latest version
> number.
> 
> So Desktop 1 has the VirtualBox Help About and Firefox, while Desktop 2 has
> the VirtualBox manager and XP running in a Window.
> 
> I try to go to Desktop 2.  It appears briefly, and then I'm right back at
> desktop 1.
> 
> It's like the Help About on Desktop 1 was pulling me back.
> 
> Weird.  Doesn't happen with Firefox's Help About.

OS X had some weird things like this... though not just pulling back all the
time - just when a program wanted attention.  That seems to be fixed (I do
not use virtual desktops much, so maybe it still sometimes happens and I
never ran into it?)

Amazingly annoying when it does that - and *the* reason I deemed OS X's
solution (before it was fixed) to be very much sub-par.  Sounds like other
solutions have similar and, in this case, even worse bugs (though maybe not
as common).


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On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:30:00 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:

>Here's one.  Running the fluxbox window manager.  I toggle over to desktop 2
>and start up VirtualBox.  
Stop trying to make like you are pointing out some of Linux's or oss
faults. You are a Lying Linturd cocksucker and nothing you do will
change that. In fact you are worse than a cocksucker. You are a
gormless cocksucker with no conscience.

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:

> Chris Ahlstrom stated in post i1ilso$rlg$1@news.eternal-september.org on
> 7/13/10 2:30 PM:
>
>> Here's one.  Running the fluxbox window manager.  I toggle over to desktop 2
>> and start up VirtualBox.  Boot XP, then go back to the VirtualBox manager
>> app and do Help About.  I send the Help About dialog back to desktop 1 so I
>> can use the Firefox that is already there to Google up the latest version
>> number.
>> 
>> So Desktop 1 has the VirtualBox Help About and Firefox, while Desktop 2 has
>> the VirtualBox manager and XP running in a Window.
>> 
>> I try to go to Desktop 2.  It appears briefly, and then I'm right back at
>> desktop 1.
>> 
>> It's like the Help About on Desktop 1 was pulling me back.
>> 
>> Weird.  Doesn't happen with Firefox's Help About.
>
> OS X had some weird things like this... though not just pulling back all the
> time - just when a program wanted attention.  That seems to be fixed (I do
> not use virtual desktops much, so maybe it still sometimes happens and I
> never ran into it?)
>
> Amazingly annoying when it does that - and *the* reason I deemed OS X's
> solution (before it was fixed) to be very much sub-par.  Sounds like other
> solutions have similar and, in this case, even worse bugs (though maybe not
> as common).

Stupid question, but is the VBox (I cant test here as its broken again
following another squeeze update...) hep dialog modal? It would suck if
it was.

Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> Here's one.  Running the fluxbox window manager.  I toggle over to desktop 2
> and start up VirtualBox.  Boot XP, then go back to the VirtualBox manager
> app and do Help About.  I send the Help About dialog back to desktop 1 so I
> can use the Firefox that is already there to Google up the latest version
> number.
> 
> So Desktop 1 has the VirtualBox Help About and Firefox, while Desktop 2 has
> the VirtualBox manager and XP running in a Window.
> 
> I try to go to Desktop 2.  It appears briefly, and then I'm right back at
> desktop 1.
> 
> It's like the Help About on Desktop 1 was pulling me back.
> 
> Weird.  Doesn't happen with Firefox's Help About.
> 

What happens if you make the vbox Help->About window sticky?

Hadron posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom stated in post i1ilso$rlg$1@news.eternal-september.org on
>> 7/13/10 2:30 PM:
>>
>>> It's like the Help About on Desktop 1 was pulling me back.
>>> Weird.  Doesn't happen with Firefox's Help About.
>>
>> OS X had some weird things like this... though not just pulling back all the
>> time - just when a program wanted attention.  That seems to be fixed (I do
>> not use virtual desktops much, so maybe it still sometimes happens and I
>> never ran into it?)
>>
>> Amazingly annoying when it does that - and *the* reason I deemed OS X's
>> solution (before it was fixed) to be very much sub-par.  Sounds like other
>> solutions have similar and, in this case, even worse bugs (though maybe not
>> as common).
>
> Stupid question, but is the VBox (I cant test here as its broken again
> following another squeeze update...) hep dialog modal? It would suck if
> it was.

I'll have to double check (can't now, I run it only on my laptop).

Things sure break a lot for "Hadron"!  How does he even post to Usenet with
his decrepit Linux system?

I don't use the virtualbox-ose from Debian anymore, not because of breakage
[it has never broken for me], but to get the USB functionality.  I go to
Oracle and download the deb for Lenny/AMD64 -- it works fine on Squeeze.

It's kind of weird seeing the Oracle logo instead of the Sun logo.

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Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> writes:

> Hadron posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom stated in post i1ilso$rlg$1@news.eternal-september.org on
>>> 7/13/10 2:30 PM:
>>>
>>>> It's like the Help About on Desktop 1 was pulling me back.
>>>> Weird.  Doesn't happen with Firefox's Help About.
>>>
>>> OS X had some weird things like this... though not just pulling back all the
>>> time - just when a program wanted attention.  That seems to be fixed (I do
>>> not use virtual desktops much, so maybe it still sometimes happens and I
>>> never ran into it?)
>>>
>>> Amazingly annoying when it does that - and *the* reason I deemed OS X's
>>> solution (before it was fixed) to be very much sub-par.  Sounds like other
>>> solutions have similar and, in this case, even worse bugs (though maybe not
>>> as common).
>>
>> Stupid question, but is the VBox (I cant test here as its broken again
>> following another squeeze update...) hep dialog modal? It would suck if
>> it was.
>
> I'll have to double check (can't now, I run it only on my laptop).
>
> Things sure break a lot for "Hadron"!  How does he even post to Usenet with
> his decrepit Linux system?

Things break in Debian Squeeze. As you know. And no they dont
break a lot. You see, I try to be civil and you come back being a smart
arse. Lots of things break involving kernel version changes. Not least,
as you found out, nvidia drivers if you use the nvidia installer.

>
> I don't use the virtualbox-ose from Debian anymore, not because of breakage
> [it has never broken for me], but to get the USB functionality.  I go
> to

If it never broke (using squeeze) its because you never used it
between updates.  There have been oodles of issues with it.

As usual, your claims and the reality are at odds.

http://www.google.com/search?q=virtualbox+debian+broken

Why do you insist in chirping. I WAS trying to be civil.

> Oracle and download the deb for Lenny/AMD64 -- it works fine on Squeeze.
>
> It's kind of weird seeing the Oracle logo instead of the Sun logo.

Hadron wrote:
> (...) hep dialog modal? It would suck if it was.

It is a modal dialog and is behaving as I would expect. That said, there is 
no point in making an About dialog a modal one, and most programs just make 
it a non modal dialog.

Regards.

owl posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>> Here's one.  Running the fluxbox window manager.  I toggle over to desktop 2
>> and start up VirtualBox.  Boot XP, then go back to the VirtualBox manager
>> app and do Help About.  I send the Help About dialog back to desktop 1 so I
>> can use the Firefox that is already there to Google up the latest version
>> number.
>> 
>> So Desktop 1 has the VirtualBox Help About and Firefox, while Desktop 2 has
>> the VirtualBox manager and XP running in a Window.
>> 
>> I try to go to Desktop 2.  It appears briefly, and then I'm right back at
>> desktop 1.
>> 
>> It's like the Help About on Desktop 1 was pulling me back.
>> 
>> Weird.  Doesn't happen with Firefox's Help About.
>
> What happens if you make the vbox Help->About window sticky?

All is well when it is sticky.

Also found that I can go the other direction just fine.  It is only when
trying to jump from the desktop holding the Help About to the desktop
holding the parent window that the issue occurs.

-- 
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Hadron posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> writes:
>
>> Hadron posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>>
>>> Stupid question, but is the VBox (I cant test here as its broken again
>>> following another squeeze update...) hep dialog modal? It would suck if
>>> it was.

Yup, it is modal.

>> Things sure break a lot for "Hadron"!  How does he even post to Usenet with
>> his decrepit Linux system?
>
> Things break in Debian Squeeze. As you know. And no they dont
> break a lot. You see, I try to be civil and you come back being a smart
> arse.

So what?  It's better than your silly "Liarmutt" "shill" "suck up" "fraud"
bullshit.

You reap what you sow, buddy boy.  Expect sarcasm from me quite often.

> Lots of things break involving kernel version changes. Not least,
> as you found out, nvidia drivers if you use the nvidia installer.

Actually, as you know, I no longer believe that was what happened.
I believe Xorg was the issue.  But too much time has gone by to rehash that
issue.

I've always been pretty diligent about posting the issues I have had
here.

The difference is that I don't accompany it with sneers.

>> I don't use the virtualbox-ose from Debian anymore, not because of breakage
>> [it has never broken for me], but to get the USB functionality.  I go
>> to
>
> If it never broke (using squeeze) its because you never used it
> between updates.

Sure I have, but not in the last couple of months.  See below.

> `There have been oodles of issues with it.
>
> As usual, your claims and the reality are at odds.

My claim is perfectly consonant with reality.  I claim only that I have no
issues with the install straight from Oracle.

> http://www.google.com/search?q=virtualbox+debian+broken

So what?  We already know that software, and Linux in particular, have
issues.

But how the airing of such problems is greeted depends on the perceived
motives of the poster.

> Why do you insist in chirping. I WAS trying to be civil.

Cool.

Anyway, I did have issues with the Debian virtualbox package for a couple of
update cycles when I was using it, but the workaround was trivial.
Uninstall and
reinstall.

>> Oracle and download the deb for Lenny/AMD64 -- it works fine on Squeeze.
>>
>> It's kind of weird seeing the Oracle logo instead of the Sun logo.

-- 
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 America great.  If America weren't incomparably ignorant, how could we
 have tolerated the last eight years?"
		-- Frank Zappa, Feb 1, 1989

> Hadron quacked:
>>
>> Why do you insist in chirping. I WAS trying to be civil.

Oh, so you can be the snottiest POS on the planet one minute, and
"civil" the next, and expect that people treat you nicely, huh Larry?

FU, asshole, how's that?

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> schreef in bericht 
news:oper36dljvrpt5lbq6sseb43knv64chp06@4ax.com...
>> Hadron quacked:
>>>
>>> Why do you insist in chirping. I WAS trying to be civil.
>
> Oh, so you can be the snottiest POS on the planet one minute, and
> "civil" the next, and expect that people treat you nicely, huh Larry?

Ha, ha!, chrisv *UNPLONKED* Hadron, nice selfnuke chris!
>
> FU, asshole, how's that?
>

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:oper36dljvrpt5lbq6sseb43knv64chp06@4ax.com...
>> Hadron quacked:
>>>
>>> Why do you insist in chirping. I WAS trying to be civil.
>
> Oh, so you can be the snottiest POS on the planet one minute, and
> "civil" the next, and expect that people treat you nicely, huh Larry?
>
> FU, asshole, how's that?
>


chrisv is a piece of shit. chrisv is a snot asshole liar.

On 2010-07-14, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> writes:
>
>> I don't use the virtualbox-ose from Debian anymore, not because of breakage
>> [it has never broken for me], but to get the USB functionality.  I go
>> to
>
> If it never broke (using squeeze) its because you never used it
> between updates.  There have been oodles of issues with it.

I've been using the vbox-ose version from testing for ages, and I
never had a single issue with it. Not even when DKMS started to take
care of the kernel modules.

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Bit rot

On 2010-07-13, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
> Here's one.  Running the fluxbox window manager.  I toggle over to desktop 2
> and start up VirtualBox.  Boot XP, then go back to the VirtualBox manager
> app and do Help About.  I send the Help About dialog back to desktop 1 so I
> can use the Firefox that is already there to Google up the latest version
> number.
>
> So Desktop 1 has the VirtualBox Help About and Firefox, while Desktop 2 has
> the VirtualBox manager and XP running in a Window.
>
> I try to go to Desktop 2.  It appears briefly, and then I'm right back at
> desktop 1.
>
> It's like the Help About on Desktop 1 was pulling me back.
>
> Weird.  Doesn't happen with Firefox's Help About.

I started seeing odd behaviour with vbox as well, under awesome here.
When I press 'hostkey-f' to go full screen, the VM window is pulled
back to the workspace where the main vbox window sits. I also noticed
that my awesome keybinding no longer work when the VM is maximized
(they used to).

Is Oracle screwing up already?

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high pressure system failure

TomB posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> On 2010-07-13, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>> Here's one.  Running the fluxbox window manager.  I toggle over to desktop 2
>> and start up VirtualBox.  Boot XP, then go back to the VirtualBox manager
>> app and do Help About.  I send the Help About dialog back to desktop 1 so I
>> can use the Firefox that is already there to Google up the latest version
>> number.
>>
>> So Desktop 1 has the VirtualBox Help About and Firefox, while Desktop 2 has
>> the VirtualBox manager and XP running in a Window.
>>
>> I try to go to Desktop 2.  It appears briefly, and then I'm right back at
>> desktop 1.
>>
>> It's like the Help About on Desktop 1 was pulling me back.
>>
>> Weird.  Doesn't happen with Firefox's Help About.
>
> I started seeing odd behaviour with vbox as well, under awesome here.
> When I press 'hostkey-f' to go full screen, the VM window is pulled
> back to the workspace where the main vbox window sits.

Try killing that window.  You don't need the VirtualBox application except
to kick off the VM or changes its settings.

> I also noticed
> that my awesome keybinding no longer work when the VM is maximized
> (they used to).
>
> Is Oracle screwing up already?

Let's hope not.  But give them feedback if they do.

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	a nail.

On 2010-07-20, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
> TomB posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>> On 2010-07-13, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>>> Here's one.  Running the fluxbox window manager.  I toggle over to
>>> desktop 2 and start up VirtualBox.  Boot XP, then go back to the
>>> VirtualBox manager app and do Help About.  I send the Help About
>>> dialog back to desktop 1 so I can use the Firefox that is already
>>> there to Google up the latest version number.
>>>
>>> So Desktop 1 has the VirtualBox Help About and Firefox, while
>>> Desktop 2 has the VirtualBox manager and XP running in a Window.
>>>
>>> I try to go to Desktop 2.  It appears briefly, and then I'm right
>>> back at desktop 1.
>>>
>>> It's like the Help About on Desktop 1 was pulling me back.
>>>
>>> Weird.  Doesn't happen with Firefox's Help About.
>>
>> I started seeing odd behaviour with vbox as well, under awesome
>> here.  When I press 'hostkey-f' to go full screen, the VM window is
>> pulled back to the workspace where the main vbox window sits.
>
> Try killing that window.  You don't need the VirtualBox application
> except to kick off the VM or changes its settings.

Don't like workarounds like that. I'd rather have it work properly,
like it did before.

>> I also noticed that my awesome keybinding no longer work when the
>> VM is maximized (they used to).
>>
>> Is Oracle screwing up already?
>
> Let's hope not.  But give them feedback if they do.

I'm first going to check for this behavious under fluxbox and gnome
too, and perhaps see what's up with the version on the site.

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TomB posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

>> TomB posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>>
>>> I started seeing odd behaviour with vbox as well, under awesome
>>> here.  When I press 'hostkey-f' to go full screen, the VM window is
>>> pulled back to the workspace where the main vbox window sits.
>
> I'm first going to check for this behavious under fluxbox and gnome
> too, and perhaps see what's up with the version on the site.

Doesn't do it under fluxbox; VirtualBox on desktop 3, the VM on desktop 4.

Updated today; Debian squeeze.

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On 2010-07-21, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
> TomB posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>>> TomB posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>>>
>>>> I started seeing odd behaviour with vbox as well, under awesome
>>>> here.  When I press 'hostkey-f' to go full screen, the VM window is
>>>> pulled back to the workspace where the main vbox window sits.
>>
>> I'm first going to check for this behavious under fluxbox and gnome
>> too, and perhaps see what's up with the version on the site.
>
> Doesn't do it under fluxbox; VirtualBox on desktop 3, the VM on desktop 4.
>
> Updated today; Debian squeeze.

I found out what is causing this odd behaviour. I have awesome set up
to automatically set tag 9 on vbox when launched, and for some
reason this rule is applied to VM windows too when switching to full
screen. When I comment out the rule, everything's fine again.

What I'm seeing now is that the window holding the vm seems to be
respawned when toggling full screen mode. It didn't do that before.

This sucks. Back to manually setting tag 9 on vbox :-(

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All of the packets are empty.