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Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
------------------------------------------------

The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.

You can do anything.

You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.

In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual 
machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
to know your command like the back of your hand,
you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.

Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.

The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.

There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.



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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/6/2012 9:22:22 PM

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On Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:22:23 PM UTC-4, 7 wrote:
> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
> 
> ------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
> 
> 
> 
> You can do anything.
> 
> 
> 
> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.
> 
> 
> 
> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
> 
> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
> 
> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
> 
> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual 
> 
> machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
> 
> to know your command like the back of your hand,
> 
> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
> 
> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
> 
> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
> 
> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.
> 
> 
> 
> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.
> 
> 
> 
> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.
> 
> 
> 
> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
> 
> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
> 
> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.

That sure seems like an awful lot of unnecessary work and learning to acquire just to earn $50k per year.

Maybe that's the reason why you are earning only $50k per year.
You are spending your time complicating your life learning things that don't pay the bills.

I don't need to know how refrigerator works in order to keep my beer cold.
And quite frankly I don't care as I would rather spend the time doing something constructive, like drinking my beer.

Repeat after me:
The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
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Reply fungee2099 (13) 10/6/2012 9:32:59 PM

Bubbles The Clown wrote:


>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You can do anything.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
>> 
>> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
>> 
>> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
>> 
>> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual
>> 
>> machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
>> 
>> to know your command like the back of your hand,
>> 
>> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
>> 
>> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
>> 
>> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
>> 
>> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
>> 
>> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
>> 
>> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.
> 
> That sure seems like an awful lot of unnecessary work and learning to
> acquire just to earn $50k per year.

That is superior to your ambitions of becoming a burger
flipping manager!

 
> Maybe that's the reason why you are earning only $50k per year.
> You are spending your time complicating your life learning things that
> don't pay the bills.

See what I mean, you are just a burger flipping troll
who has daily billing worries and it seeps through your every word.
If you stopped working the newsgroups as a nym shifting troll
and go find a decent tech job, you too will stop trying
fighting with your burger flipping manager and aspire to
be something greater than pan cake fodder.

Try Linux!

http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com
http://www.ubuntu.com


> I don't need to know how refrigerator works

You do if you make refrigerators.

> in order to keep my beer cold.

You don't need beer if all you do is plan on burger flipping for a living.

> And quite frankly I don't care as I would rather spend the time doing
> something constructive, like drinking my beer.

Drinking has never solved your problems. You are still working
the newsgroups as a troll after all these years of drinking.


Try Linux!

http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com
http://www.ubuntu.com


> Repeat after me:
> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.


Sounds like your computer has its keys stuck.

Try Linux!

http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com
http://www.ubuntu.com


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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/6/2012 9:43:05 PM

On 10/6/12 2:22 PM, in article ii1cs.158828$AT4.49161@fx19.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
> ------------------------------------------------
> 
> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.

Sure.  I have no problem believing that.

But *most* people use computers as a tool to get things done, not for the
enjoyment of tinkering with the tool.

> You can do anything.

Really?  How do you change the cursor in a screencast in post production?
That is just one common example of something I do which is not, that I know
of, possible on Linux.

Even bigger, you *cannot* find a unified system - a common distro that, for
example, shows KDE has achieved its goals after over 16 years.
 
> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.

Sure you can.
 
> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual
> machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
> to know your command like the back of your hand,
> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.

That is one form of geek / techie.  Sure.  But not the only kind.  Such a
limited view you have!

> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.

Hmmm, no OS X LiveCD... and those are cool.  But there is so much desktop
Linux is lacking.  
 
> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.

What the heck are those even?

> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.

Perhaps - but if you compare desktop Linux to Windows and OS X you will find
few people select Linux. And there are very good reasons for that, even
though desktop Linux can be had for free and is easily available.



-- 
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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/6/2012 9:49:37 PM

Snit wrote:

> On 10/6/12 2:22 PM, in article ii1cs.158828$AT4.49161@fx19.am4, "7"
> <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> 
>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
> 
> Sure.  I have no problem believing that.
> 
> But *most* people use computers as a tool to get things done, not for the
> enjoyment of tinkering with the tool.


You told us you had very little hardware. So your endless opinions were all
fabricated lies to pad out your trolling ambitions.
You simply have to accept they don't count as you don't use much hardware.

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/6/2012 9:56:51 PM

On 10/6/12 2:43 PM, in article JB1cs.174981$Nf1.41239@fx25.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> Try Linux!
> 
> http://www.livecdlist.com
> http://www.distrowatch.com
> http://www.ubuntu.com

I have, and found it an inferior solution for my desktop needs.

If you have found otherwise, fine by me!  To each their own.


-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/6/2012 10:04:30 PM

On 10/6/12 2:56 PM, in article KO1cs.321003$pO4.22327@fx17.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 10/6/12 2:22 PM, in article ii1cs.158828$AT4.49161@fx19.am4, "7"
>> <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>> 
>> Sure.  I have no problem believing that.
>> 
>> But *most* people use computers as a tool to get things done, not for the
>> enjoyment of tinkering with the tool.
> 
> 
> You told us you had very little hardware.

One does not need to use a lot of hardware to have a good desktop experience
(but I *do* use a lot of hardware... so your claim is baseless anyway on
that level, too... two erroneous claims from you in one sentence... the herd
will love it).

.... 



-- 
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15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/6/2012 10:12:02 PM

Snit wrote:


>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>> 
>>> Sure.  I have no problem believing that.
>>> 
>>> But *most* people use computers as a tool to get things done, not for
>>> the enjoyment of tinkering with the tool.
>> 
>> 
>> You told us you had very little hardware.
> 
> One does not need to use a lot of hardware to have a good desktop
> experience 

May be on planet micoshaft or planet Appil that is the norm
and evidenced by your astounding wider lack of knowledge in UI matters.


> (but I *do* use a lot of hardware... so your claim is baseless
> anyway on that level, too... two erroneous claims from you in one
> sentence... the herd will love it).

You don't use any hardware. You told us that. Because you have
very little money to afford it I assume as a you are just a troll.
So were you lying then or lying now?

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/6/2012 10:42:13 PM

Snit wrote:


>> Try Linux!
>> 
>> http://www.livecdlist.com
>> http://www.distrowatch.com
>> http://www.ubuntu.com
> 
> I have, and found it an inferior solution for my desktop needs.

But I don't believe you because you told us you don't have
much hardware.

I found all these distros to be a geeks best friend!!!!


> If you have found otherwise, fine by me!  To each their own.


So you accept you are wrong on every count when you 
start generalizing and claiming to speak for the 'people'
simply because you don't have much hardware.
Further, not much experience of competing software
because you never had the hardware to run it on.


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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/6/2012 10:46:40 PM

On 10/6/12 3:46 PM, in article px2cs.365321$4z5.363792@fx08.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Try Linux!
>>> 
>>> http://www.livecdlist.com
>>> http://www.distrowatch.com
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com
>> 
>> I have, and found it an inferior solution for my desktop needs.
> 
> But I don't believe you because you told us you don't have
> much hardware.

For the record: you made that up.  It is a complete fabrication on your
part.

> I found all these distros to be a geeks best friend!!!!

Read my next sentence.  I have no problem with you having a different
opinion than mine.  I support choice.
 
>> If you have found otherwise, fine by me!  To each their own.

> So you accept you are wrong on every count when you
> start generalizing and claiming to speak for the 'people'
> simply because you don't have much hardware.
> Further, not much experience of competing software
> because you never had the hardware to run it on.

And there you just show off your illiteracy again.  You are lost...
completely lost.

Might be why you like desktop Linux - you are so lost in the world it does
not matter what you use, you will almost surely be inefficient and are prone
to making errors no matter what you use.  Clearly on Linux you often screw
up spellings and the like.



-- 
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15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/6/2012 11:16:13 PM

On 10/6/12 3:42 PM, in article at2cs.305080$t45.302399@fx02.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>> 
>>>> Sure.  I have no problem believing that.
>>>> 
>>>> But *most* people use computers as a tool to get things done, not for
>>>> the enjoyment of tinkering with the tool.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You told us you had very little hardware.
>> 
>> One does not need to use a lot of hardware to have a good desktop
>> experience 
> 
> May be on planet micoshaft or planet Appil that is the norm
> and evidenced by your astounding wider lack of knowledge in UI matters.
> 
> 
>> (but I *do* use a lot of hardware... so your claim is baseless
>> anyway on that level, too... two erroneous claims from you in one
>> sentence... the herd will love it).
> 
> You don't use any hardware. You told us that. Because you have
> very little money to afford it I assume as a you are just a troll.
> So were you lying then or lying now?
> 
See: you use Linux and write incoherently - spelling so poorly as to make
your message be gibberish and making up claims which are not true.
  
I do not have that problem on OS X.

If we are to assume we are of equal capabilities then your desktop system is
serving you less well than is mine... but the reality is your problems
largely stem from your own weaknesses.  I do not blame desktop Linux for
your faults (other, perhaps, than the spell checking in whatever program you
use being *horrible*... but it is not going to include a *logic* and *fact*
checker, which you need very, very badly).

-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/6/2012 11:19:11 PM

Snit wrote:

> I do not have that problem on OS X.

That is true.. the problems *you* have are not related to your choice of
operating system. They all have to do with the fact you're a trolling
loonball.

-- 
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

[tv]
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Reply sitting (4580) 10/7/2012 12:19:13 AM

On 10/6/12 5:19 PM, in article 1637w0d5enxqb.dlg@sitting.at.this.computer,
"Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
>> I do not have that problem on OS X.
> 
> That is true.. 

Absolutely.

....


-- 
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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 12:20:31 AM

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/6/12 3:42 PM, in article at2cs.305080$t45.302399@fx02.am4, "7"
> <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> > Snit wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sure.  I have no problem believing that.
> >>>> 
> >>>> But *most* people use computers as a tool to get things done, not for
> >>>> the enjoyment of tinkering with the tool.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> You told us you had very little hardware.
> >> 
> >> One does not need to use a lot of hardware to have a good desktop
> >> experience 
> > 
> > May be on planet micoshaft or planet Appil that is the norm
> > and evidenced by your astounding wider lack of knowledge in UI matters.
> > 
> > 
> >> (but I *do* use a lot of hardware... so your claim is baseless
> >> anyway on that level, too... two erroneous claims from you in one
> >> sentence... the herd will love it).
> > 
> > You don't use any hardware. You told us that. Because you have
> > very little money to afford it I assume as a you are just a troll.
> > So were you lying then or lying now?
> > 
> See: you use Linux and write incoherently - spelling so poorly as to make
> your message be gibberish and making up claims which are not true.
>   
> I do not have that problem on OS X.

> If we are to assume we are of equal capabilities then your desktop system is
> serving you less well than is mine... but the reality is your problems
> largely stem from your own weaknesses.  I do not blame desktop Linux for
> your faults (other, perhaps, than the spell checking in whatever program you
> use being *horrible*... but it is not going to include a *logic* and *fact*
> checker, which you need very, very badly).

The mighty OS X grammar checker in action:

<CC8B775B.BE95%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
"Keep in mind: you made an accusation against Onion Knight and I and while
neither of us had *any* obligation to refute your claim, we did anyway!"

<CC8CB29E.BFE6%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
"Now that the attacks against Onion Knight and I have been proved false,
how much will those who troll me frenzy?"


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Reply owl (2217) 10/7/2012 12:24:20 AM

On 10/6/12 5:24 PM, in article se.r33@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

.... 
> <CC8B775B.BE95%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> "Keep in mind: you made an accusation against Onion Knight and I and while
> neither of us had *any* obligation to refute your claim, we did anyway!"

And we did.  
 
> <CC8CB29E.BFE6%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> "Now that the attacks against Onion Knight and I have been proved false,
> how much will those who troll me frenzy?"

The answer: a whole lot!  It was amazing!


-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 12:29:01 AM

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/6/12 5:24 PM, in article se.r33@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> ... 
> > <CC8B775B.BE95%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> > "Keep in mind: you made an accusation against Onion Knight and I and while
> > neither of us had *any* obligation to refute your claim, we did anyway!"

> And we did.  
>  
> > <CC8CB29E.BFE6%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> > "Now that the attacks against Onion Knight and I have been proved false,
> > how much will those who troll me frenzy?"

> The answer: a whole lot!  It was amazing!

Why did the mighty OS X grammar checker fail to catch your errors?

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Reply owl (2217) 10/7/2012 12:42:25 AM

On 10/6/12 5:42 PM, in article se4.33px@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 10/6/12 5:24 PM, in article se.r33@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> ... 
>>> <CC8B775B.BE95%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> "Keep in mind: you made an accusation against Onion Knight and I and while
>>> neither of us had *any* obligation to refute your claim, we did anyway!"
> 
>> And we did.  
>>  
>>> <CC8CB29E.BFE6%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> "Now that the attacks against Onion Knight and I have been proved false,
>>> how much will those who troll me frenzy?"
> 
>> The answer: a whole lot!  It was amazing!
> 
> Why did the mighty OS X grammar checker fail to catch your errors?
> 
I am using an MS news reader.  And it sucks.  By the way, did you have any
trouble understanding what I was saying in those sentences?


-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 12:49:15 AM

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/6/12 5:42 PM, in article se4.33px@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >> On 10/6/12 5:24 PM, in article se.r33@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> >> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >> ... 
> >>> <CC8B775B.BE95%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> >>> "Keep in mind: you made an accusation against Onion Knight and I and while
> >>> neither of us had *any* obligation to refute your claim, we did anyway!"
> > 
> >> And we did.  
> >>  
> >>> <CC8CB29E.BFE6%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> >>> "Now that the attacks against Onion Knight and I have been proved false,
> >>> how much will those who troll me frenzy?"
> > 
> >> The answer: a whole lot!  It was amazing!
> > 
> > Why did the mighty OS X grammar checker fail to catch your errors?
> > 
> I am using an MS news reader.  And it sucks.

Typical for closed-source commercial crapware.

>  By the way, did you have any
> trouble understanding what I was saying in those sentences?

After stumbling over the blatant errors, I was eventually able to parse them.

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Reply owl (2217) 10/7/2012 1:00:12 AM

On 10/6/12 6:00 PM, in article sx.456@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 10/6/12 5:42 PM, in article se4.33px@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/6/12 5:24 PM, in article se.r33@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> ... 
>>>>> <CC8B775B.BE95%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>> "Keep in mind: you made an accusation against Onion Knight and I and while
>>>>> neither of us had *any* obligation to refute your claim, we did anyway!"
>>> 
>>>> And we did.  
>>>>  
>>>>> <CC8CB29E.BFE6%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>> "Now that the attacks against Onion Knight and I have been proved false,
>>>>> how much will those who troll me frenzy?"
>>> 
>>>> The answer: a whole lot!  It was amazing!
>>> 
>>> Why did the mighty OS X grammar checker fail to catch your errors?
>>> 
>> I am using an MS news reader.  And it sucks.
> 
> Typical for closed-source commercial crapware.

Er?  I do not follow.

>>  By the way, did you have any
>> trouble understanding what I was saying in those sentences?
> 
> After stumbling over the blatant errors, I was eventually able to parse them.

I would love to hear your description of the errors.



-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


0
Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 1:10:55 AM

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/6/12 6:00 PM, in article sx.456@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> >>  By the way, did you have any
> >> trouble understanding what I was saying in those sentences?
> > 
> > After stumbling over the blatant errors, I was eventually able to parse them.

> I would love to hear your description of the errors.

"against Onion Knight and I"
This sort of error is hilarious mainly for its pretentiousness.

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Reply owl (2217) 10/7/2012 1:23:35 AM

On 10/6/12 6:23 PM, in article sr3.erpr4@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 10/6/12 6:00 PM, in article sx.456@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>>  By the way, did you have any
>>>> trouble understanding what I was saying in those sentences?
>>> 
>>> After stumbling over the blatant errors, I was eventually able to parse
>>> them.
> 
>> I would love to hear your description of the errors.
> 
> "against Onion Knight and I"
> This sort of error is hilarious mainly for its pretentiousness.

And that was enough to make the content challenging for you to understand.
LOL!

Really... me finds that hilarious.


-- 
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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 1:52:48 AM

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/6/12 6:23 PM, in article sr3.erpr4@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >> On 10/6/12 6:00 PM, in article sx.456@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> >> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >>>>  By the way, did you have any
> >>>> trouble understanding what I was saying in those sentences?
> >>> 
> >>> After stumbling over the blatant errors, I was eventually able to parse
> >>> them.
> > 
> >> I would love to hear your description of the errors.
> > 
> > "against Onion Knight and I"
> > This sort of error is hilarious mainly for its pretentiousness.

> And that was enough to make the content challenging for you to understand.
> LOL!

> Really... me finds that hilarious.

It's not as hilarious as watching you squirm through a back-and-forth
about unnamed errors, vainly trying on your own to determine just where
you screwed up, and eventually having to throw up your hands and beg me
to show you.  LOL!

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Reply owl (2217) 10/7/2012 2:10:03 AM

On 10/6/12 7:10 PM, in article es3.dpr@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 10/6/12 6:23 PM, in article sr3.erpr4@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/6/12 6:00 PM, in article sx.456@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>>  By the way, did you have any
>>>>>> trouble understanding what I was saying in those sentences?
>>>>> 
>>>>> After stumbling over the blatant errors, I was eventually able to parse
>>>>> them.
>>> 
>>>> I would love to hear your description of the errors.
>>> 
>>> "against Onion Knight and I"
>>> This sort of error is hilarious mainly for its pretentiousness.
> 
>> And that was enough to make the content challenging for you to understand.
>> LOL!
> 
>> Really... me finds that hilarious.
> 
> It's not as hilarious as watching you squirm through a back-and-forth
> about unnamed errors, vainly trying on your own to determine just where
> you screwed up, and eventually having to throw up your hands and beg me
> to show you.  LOL!

Yawn.  Me finds you silliness hilarious.


-- 
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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 2:18:25 AM

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/6/12 7:10 PM, in article es3.dpr@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >> On 10/6/12 6:23 PM, in article sr3.erpr4@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> >> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 10/6/12 6:00 PM, in article sx.456@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> >>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>>>>  By the way, did you have any
> >>>>>> trouble understanding what I was saying in those sentences?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> After stumbling over the blatant errors, I was eventually able to parse
> >>>>> them.
> >>> 
> >>>> I would love to hear your description of the errors.
> >>> 
> >>> "against Onion Knight and I"
> >>> This sort of error is hilarious mainly for its pretentiousness.
> > 
> >> And that was enough to make the content challenging for you to understand.
> >> LOL!
> > 
> >> Really... me finds that hilarious.
> > 
> > It's not as hilarious as watching you squirm through a back-and-forth
> > about unnamed errors, vainly trying on your own to determine just where
> > you screwed up, and eventually having to throw up your hands and beg me
> > to show you.  LOL!

> Yawn.  Me finds you silliness hilarious.

So it's ok for you to be a schoolmarm when it comes to 7's spelling/grammar,
but when I do the same to you it's "silliness"?
 
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Reply owl (2217) 10/7/2012 2:31:14 AM

On 10/6/12 7:31 PM, in article iepr.33x@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 10/6/12 7:10 PM, in article es3.dpr@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/6/12 6:23 PM, in article sr3.erpr4@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/6/12 6:00 PM, in article sx.456@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  By the way, did you have any
>>>>>>>> trouble understanding what I was saying in those sentences?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> After stumbling over the blatant errors, I was eventually able to parse
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would love to hear your description of the errors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "against Onion Knight and I"
>>>>> This sort of error is hilarious mainly for its pretentiousness.
>>> 
>>>> And that was enough to make the content challenging for you to understand.
>>>> LOL!
>>> 
>>>> Really... me finds that hilarious.
>>> 
>>> It's not as hilarious as watching you squirm through a back-and-forth
>>> about unnamed errors, vainly trying on your own to determine just where
>>> you screwed up, and eventually having to throw up your hands and beg me
>>> to show you.  LOL!
> 
>> Yawn.  Me finds you silliness hilarious.
> 
> So it's ok for you to be a schoolmarm when it comes to 7's spelling/grammar,
> but when I do the same to you it's "silliness"?
>  
You clearly have never read any posts by 7.


-- 
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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 2:32:51 AM

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/6/12 7:31 PM, in article iepr.33x@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >> On 10/6/12 7:10 PM, in article es3.dpr@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> >> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 10/6/12 6:23 PM, in article sr3.erpr4@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> >>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 10/6/12 6:00 PM, in article sx.456@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> >>>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>  By the way, did you have any
> >>>>>>>> trouble understanding what I was saying in those sentences?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> After stumbling over the blatant errors, I was eventually able to parse
> >>>>>>> them.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> I would love to hear your description of the errors.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> "against Onion Knight and I"
> >>>>> This sort of error is hilarious mainly for its pretentiousness.
> >>> 
> >>>> And that was enough to make the content challenging for you to understand.
> >>>> LOL!
> >>> 
> >>>> Really... me finds that hilarious.
> >>> 
> >>> It's not as hilarious as watching you squirm through a back-and-forth
> >>> about unnamed errors, vainly trying on your own to determine just where
> >>> you screwed up, and eventually having to throw up your hands and beg me
> >>> to show you.  LOL!
> > 
> >> Yawn.  Me finds you silliness hilarious.
> > 
> > So it's ok for you to be a schoolmarm when it comes to 7's spelling/grammar,
> > but when I do the same to you it's "silliness"?
> >  
> You clearly have never read any posts by 7.

I like the creative way 7 uses the language.  Big Steel has a similar
talent on the Wintard side.  Too bad Apple doesn't have anybody on usenet
playing at that level. 

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Reply owl (2217) 10/7/2012 2:43:40 AM

On 10/6/12 7:43 PM, in article sp4.xpyuck@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

>>>> Yawn.  Me finds you silliness hilarious.
>>> 
>>> So it's ok for you to be a schoolmarm when it comes to 7's spelling/grammar,
>>> but when I do the same to you it's "silliness"?
>>>  
>> You clearly have never read any posts by 7.
> 
> I like the creative way 7 uses the language.

Ah, illiteracy turns you on.

> Big Steel has a similar talent on the Wintard side.

Examples?

> Too bad Apple doesn't have anybody on usenet playing at that level.

All of Usenet?  What the?  This is COLA - a *Linux* group.  I do not believe
anyone is speaking for Apple in it.  But shall we now mock your confusion
between COLA and all of Usenet?

-- 
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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 2:52:57 AM

Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/6/12 7:43 PM, in article sp4.xpyuck@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> >>>> Yawn.  Me finds you silliness hilarious.
> >>> 
> >>> So it's ok for you to be a schoolmarm when it comes to 7's spelling/grammar,
> >>> but when I do the same to you it's "silliness"?
> >>>  
> >> You clearly have never read any posts by 7.
> > 
> > I like the creative way 7 uses the language.

> Ah, illiteracy turns you on.

You mean like the kind of illiteracy expressed in prepositional phrases
with nominative case pronouns?  No, that kind of ironically pretentious
illiteracy bores me.

> > Big Steel has a similar talent on the Wintard side.

> Examples?

What good would it do to show them to you?  You have a Rainman's sense
of humor, or else you wouldn't even be asking me.

> > Too bad Apple doesn't have anybody on usenet playing at that level.

> All of Usenet?  What the?  This is COLA - a *Linux* group.  I do not believe
> anyone is speaking for Apple in it.

lol.

>  But shall we now mock your confusion
> between COLA and all of Usenet?

If you like.

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Reply owl (2217) 10/7/2012 3:11:46 AM

On 10/6/12 8:11 PM, in article xen.30@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 10/6/12 7:43 PM, in article sp4.xpyuck@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> Yawn.  Me finds you silliness hilarious.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So it's ok for you to be a schoolmarm when it comes to 7's
>>>>> spelling/grammar,
>>>>> but when I do the same to you it's "silliness"?
>>>>>  
>>>> You clearly have never read any posts by 7.
>>> 
>>> I like the creative way 7 uses the language.
> 
>> Ah, illiteracy turns you on.
> 
> You mean like the kind of illiteracy expressed in prepositional phrases
> with nominative case pronouns?  No, that kind of ironically pretentious
> illiteracy bores me.

Seriously, you are comparing some mistakes of mine you can dig up with 7's
daily illiteracy.  Give it up.  Pathetic.

>>> Big Steel has a similar talent on the Wintard side.
> 
>> Examples?
> 
> What good would it do to show them to you?  You have a Rainman's sense
> of humor, or else you wouldn't even be asking me.

A simple "no" would have sufficed.  No, you have no examples.  Got it.

>>> Too bad Apple doesn't have anybody on usenet playing at that level.
> 
>> All of Usenet?  What the?  This is COLA - a *Linux* group.  I do not believe
>> anyone is speaking for Apple in it.
> 
> lol.

Yeah, your error is funny.

>> But shall we now mock your confusion between COLA and all of Usenet?
> 
> If you like.

Certainly a bigger goof than a swapping "I" and "me".



-- 
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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 3:20:46 AM

On 2012-10-07, the following emerged from the brain of owl:

8<

> You mean like the kind of illiteracy expressed in prepositional
> phrases with nominative case pronouns?  No, that kind of ironically
> pretentious illiteracy bores me.

Snit seems to confuse the intentional wacky grammar of 7 with
illiteracy. And that's odd. Even if he doesn't find it funny (and
that's possible; we cannot all have the same sense of humour), he at
least should understand that it is *intentional* wackiness.

Oh, and spelling "Micoshaft" and "Appile" wrong obviously serves
another purpose too. Can Snit not figure that out by himself?
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Reply tommy.bongaerts (5594) 10/7/2012 6:42:57 AM

On Oct 6, 5:22=A0pm, 7
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.

Pretty much the reason why I don't.


> You can do anything.

Only after infinite resources have been added.

> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.

Actually one indeed can, because the term 'geek' isn't defined as
being exclusive to the IT discipline:

"Persons have been labeled as or chosen to identify as physics geeks,
mathematics geeks, engineering geeks, sci-fi geeks, computer geeks,
various science geeks, film geeks (cinephile), comic book geeks,
theater geeks, history geeks, music geeks,[citation needed] sport
geeks,[citation needed] art geeks, philosophy geeks, literature geeks,
historical reenactment geeks, nature geeks, fashion geeks, makeup
geeks, animal geeks, food geeks, video game geeks, toy geeks, stuffed
animal geeks, politics geeks, weapons geeks, geography geeks, car
geeks, dance geeks, and roleplay geeks."

 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek#Definitions



> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual
> machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
> to know your command like the back of your hand,
> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing, ...

Unfortunately, very few people worldwide are actually proficient in
all of those things and even this impressive-sounding list is hardly
even comprehensive .. it barely scratches the surface of IT (let alone
other areas of geekery).  For example, just which database
packages ... all of them?  Where's skill in PLCs (and all of these
too)?  Where are the proficiencies in all of the other computing
languages (such as COBOL)?  And let's not forget IT history, either!


> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.

Actually, IT geekery proficiency would require proficiency in
heterogeneous operating systems environments.   Afterall, it isn't
like Linux represents 95% of the installed base, so an IT geek that's
only able to work on 1% of desktops wouldn't be considered
particularly proficient or skilled.


> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.

Once again, only after infinite resources have been added.  And of
course, if one did have infinite resources, one could just as easily
simply buy Microsoft and Apple.


> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.

Which for the vast majority of individuals (including many 'geeks') is
an asset, not a liability.


> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.

Sorry, but it is quite possible to "go back" after trying Linux and
one doesn't even need infinite resources either:  did it myself on my
desktop and am quite content with the outcome of limiting Linux just
to a few anonymous network appliances.  The bottom line is to use the
right tool for each job and Linux simply isn't the best tool for
everything, despite however loud and insistent the inevitably
irrational fanboy claims to the contrary become.


-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/7/2012 6:57:06 AM

Distro flipping manager of Cola, 7 wrote:

> Bubbles The Clown wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You can do anything.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside
>>> out. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
>>> 
>>> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
>>> 
>>> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
>>> 
>>> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual
>>> 
>>> machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
>>> 
>>> to know your command like the back of your hand,
>>> 
>>> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
>>> 
>>> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
>>> 
>>> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
>>> 
>>> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating
>>> systems. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these
>>> fronts. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
>>> 
>>> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
>>> 
>>> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.
>> 
>> That sure seems like an awful lot of unnecessary work and learning to
>> acquire just to earn $50k per year.
> 
> That is superior to your ambitions of becoming a burger
> flipping manager!

Appil?, Micoshaft?, never heard of it!
And you are the distro flipping manager of Cola.
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html
Repeat after me, you donkey faced fraud!:
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.
Linux is a tool, an appliance that never worked.








































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Reply Roy_Culley (30) 10/7/2012 9:28:21 AM

owl wrote:
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 10/6/12 7:43 PM, in article sp4.xpyuck@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> Yawn.  Me finds you silliness hilarious.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So it's ok for you to be a schoolmarm when it comes to 7's
>>>>> spelling/grammar, but when I do the same to you it's "silliness"?
>>>>> 
>>>> You clearly have never read any posts by 7.
>>> 
>>> I like the creative way 7 uses the language.
> 
>> Ah, illiteracy turns you on.
> 
> You mean like the kind of illiteracy expressed in prepositional
> phrases with nominative case pronouns?  No, that kind of ironically
> pretentious illiteracy bores me.

You pretentious little spelling lamer!

> 
>>> Big Steel has a similar talent on the Wintard side.
> 
>> Examples?
> 
> What good would it do to show them to you?  You have a Rainman's sense
> of humor, or else you wouldn't even be asking me.
> 
>>> Too bad Apple doesn't have anybody on usenet playing at that level.
> 
>> All of Usenet?  What the?  This is COLA - a *Linux* group.  I do not
>> believe anyone is speaking for Apple in it.
> 
> lol.
^^^^^^
lol .
> 
>>  But shall we now mock your confusion
>> between COLA and all of Usenet?
> 
> If you like.

Boring attention seeking noted!





























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Reply Roy_Culley (30) 10/7/2012 9:43:17 AM

-hh wrote:


>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
> 
> Pretty much the reason why I don't.

There is puppy Linux for you if you don't want to be geek.

 
>> You can do anything.
> 
> Only after infinite resources have been added.

That is evidence you have no idea what you want to do in IT and computing.
 
>> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.
> 
> Actually one indeed can, because the term 'geek' isn't defined as
> being exclusive to the IT discipline:

If the context of IT discipline has been lost on you,
you must be having a hard time being forced to troll
in comp.os.linux.advocacy.


> "P

>> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
>> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
>> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
>> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual
>> machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
>> to know your command like the back of your hand,
>> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
>> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
>> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing, ...
> 
> Unfortunately, very few people worldwide are actually proficient in
> all of those things and even this impressive-sounding list is hardly
> even comprehensive .. it barely scratches the surface of IT (let alone
> other areas of geekery). 

So your idea of geek is to proficient in specific things as opposed
to being proficient in general across many things.

> For example, just which database
> packages ... all of them?

There you go again - your idea of geek is to proficient in specific things 
as opposed to being proficient in general across many things technology.
The word geek is poorly understood by a troll like you
but you are forced to post drivel out your trolls all day.
Very sad.

> Where's skill in PLCs (and all of these
> too)?  Where are the proficiencies in all of the other computing
> languages (such as COBOL)?  And let's not forget IT history, either!

The word geek is poorly understood by a troll like you
but you are forced to post drivel out your trolls all day grabbing
at all and topic you can rant about.


>> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.
> 
> Actually, IT geekery proficiency would require proficiency in
> heterogeneous operating systems environments.

Which can only be achieved if Linux is the main part
of your geek knowledge. Knowing other OS is not in itself
geeky enough.


> Afterall, it isn't
> like Linux represents 95% of the installed base, so an IT geek that's
> only able to work on 1% of desktops wouldn't be considered
> particularly proficient or skilled.
> 
> 
>> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.
> 
> Once again, only after infinite resources have been added.  And of
> course, if one did have infinite resources, one could just as easily
> simply buy Microsoft and Apple.
> 
> 
>> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.
> 
> Which for the vast majority of individuals (including many 'geeks') is
> an asset, not a liability.
> 
> 
>> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
>> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
>> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.
> 
> Sorry, but it is quite possible to "go back" after trying Linux

Liar! Nope! A true geek can never go back because he/she can do
everything while proprietary is VERY limited.

> and
> one doesn't even need infinite resources either:  did it myself on my
> desktop and am quite content with the outcome of limiting Linux just
> to a few anonymous network appliances.

That sums up everything. You are not a geek. You are just a troll
that has aspirations to be geek. You don't live and breath technology
at the sharp end - and you make up for all that lost time by
trolling and lying in comp.os.linux.advocacy.


> The bottom line is to use the
> right tool for each job and Linux simply isn't the best tool for
> everything, despite however loud and insistent the inevitably
> irrational fanboy claims to the contrary become.

Which is why I said, to be a true geek you need to be fully
conversant in Linux. And once you do, you cannot go back to toy OSen.

> -hh

You are a lying troll hh. Don't forget that when you reply.


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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 11:15:26 AM

After swilling some grog, Bubbles The Clown belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:22:23 PM UTC-4, 7 wrote:
>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>
> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.

It is obvious *more* than a tool to many people, myself included.

Much the same as I considered HP and TI calculators to be more than just
tools.

They are all *fun*.

-- 
But dont kid yourself. Video is still a major issue with Linux desktops
and the freetards scare off developers. Sure some open source "remake"
of the best of the commercial engines is nice if you want to hack but
dont expect many top tier games from them. They're simply not good
enough. Most "advocates" pretend to be unaware of the advances in gaming
engines. Just take a look at something like Uncharted 2 for the PS3, or
Black Ops. It's amazing stuff.
   -- "Hadron" <m6mxinp3fn.fsf@news.eternal-september.org>
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Reply admin45 (1212) 10/7/2012 12:12:54 PM

After swilling some grog, Tattoo Vampire belched this bit o' wisdom:

> Snit wrote:
>
>> I do not have that problem on OS X.
>
> That is true.. the problems *you* have are not related to your choice of
> operating system. They all have to do with the fact you're a trolling
> loonball.

Jesus, just about everybody in this newsgroup is a trolling loonball.

Except for you, me, Greg, a few others, they're mad as hatters.
Spending hours here lying and railing against an operating system they
despise, an OS they claim is crap, isn't going anywhere, is a niche
"product", is amateur hobbyware.  It's nuts.

Proven nutters:

   -hh
   Snit
   Ezekiel
   DFS
   Hadron
   The various "dutch" trolls
   The nymshifter whose posts have hanging indents like Rex's posts
   The various Flounder nyms

Jesus, what a crew of sociopathic misfits.

-- 
PCs preconfigured with Linux for the home Desktop are a proven
porker. They are not for the majority - rightly or wrongly. Commodore
arent making these things for retro door stops you know.
   -- "Hadron" <tay63kjvyh.fsf@news.eternal-september.org>
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Reply admin45 (1212) 10/7/2012 12:19:30 PM

Snit wrote:

> On 10/6/12 8:11 PM, in article xen.30@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/6/12 7:43 PM, in article sp4.xpyuck@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>> Yawn.  Me finds you silliness hilarious.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So it's ok for you to be a schoolmarm when it comes to 7's
>>>>>> spelling/grammar,
>>>>>> but when I do the same to you it's "silliness"?
>>>>>>  
>>>>> You clearly have never read any posts by 7.
>>>> 
>>>> I like the creative way 7 uses the language.
>> 
>>> Ah, illiteracy turns you on.
>> 
>> You mean like the kind of illiteracy expressed in prepositional phrases
>> with nominative case pronouns?  No, that kind of ironically pretentious
>> illiteracy bores me.
> 
> Seriously, you are comparing some mistakes of mine you can dig up with 7's
> daily illiteracy.  Give it up.  Pathetic.


Do you spik Inglish?
Daily illiteracy snot? Where?
Witch spill chicker do you use snot to detect illiteracy?


 
>>>> Big Steel has a similar talent on the Wintard side.
>> 
>>> Examples?
>> 
>> What good would it do to show them to you?  You have a Rainman's sense
>> of humor, or else you wouldn't even be asking me.
> 
> A simple "no" would have sufficed.  No, you have no examples.  Got it.
> 
>>>> Too bad Apple doesn't have anybody on usenet playing at that level.
>> 
>>> All of Usenet?  What the?  This is COLA - a *Linux* group.  I do not
>>> believe anyone is speaking for Apple in it.
>> 
>> lol.
> 
> Yeah, your error is funny.
> 
>>> But shall we now mock your confusion between COLA and all of Usenet?
>> 
>> If you like.
> 
> Certainly a bigger goof than a swapping "I" and "me".
> 
> 
> 

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 1:14:17 PM

On 10/6/12 11:42 PM, in article 20121007083838.702@usenet.drumscum.be,
"TomB" <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-10-07, the following emerged from the brain of owl:
> 
> 8<
> 
>> You mean like the kind of illiteracy expressed in prepositional
>> phrases with nominative case pronouns?  No, that kind of ironically
>> pretentious illiteracy bores me.
> 
> Snit seems to confuse the intentional wacky grammar of 7 with
> illiteracy. 

It is not his grammar but his inabiliy to speak of the competition without
mangling their names.

He presents himself as being completely illiterate.  Is it intentional?
Likely.  But who cares - that is not even slightly relevant.

> And that's odd. Even if he doesn't find it funny (and that's possible; we
> cannot all have the same sense of humour), he at least should understand that
> it is *intentional* wackiness.

It might be. It might not be.

> Oh, and spelling "Micoshaft" and "Appile" wrong obviously serves
> another purpose too. Can Snit not figure that out by himself?

Sure: it serves to make him look even more illiterate and foolish.

-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 1:25:24 PM

On 10/7/12 5:19 AM, in article k4rs0e$l00$2@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahlstrom"
<admin@cyberbully.com> wrote:

> After swilling some grog, Tattoo Vampire belched this bit o' wisdom:
> 
>> Snit wrote:
>> 
>>> I do not have that problem on OS X.
>> 
>> That is true.. the problems *you* have are not related to your choice of
>> operating system. They all have to do with the fact you're a trolling
>> loonball.
> 
> Jesus, just about everybody in this newsgroup is a trolling loonball.
> 
> Except for you, me, Greg, a few others, they're mad as hatters.
> Spending hours here lying and railing against an operating system they
> despise, an OS they claim is crap, isn't going anywhere, is a niche
> "product", is amateur hobbyware.  It's nuts.
> 
> Proven nutters:
> 
>    -hh
>    Snit
>    Ezekiel
>    DFS
>    Hadron
>    The various "dutch" trolls
>    The nymshifter whose posts have hanging indents like Rex's posts
>    The various Flounder nyms
> 
> Jesus, what a crew of sociopathic misfits.

See how you lash out.  In any case, if you think I have lied then *quote*
the lies and *support* your accusation.

But you will not. 

-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 1:26:49 PM

On 10/7/12 6:14 AM, in article Sefcs.230137$512.217832@fx28.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 10/6/12 8:11 PM, in article xen.30@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/6/12 7:43 PM, in article sp4.xpyuck@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yawn.  Me finds you silliness hilarious.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So it's ok for you to be a schoolmarm when it comes to 7's
>>>>>>> spelling/grammar,
>>>>>>> but when I do the same to you it's "silliness"?
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>> You clearly have never read any posts by 7.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I like the creative way 7 uses the language.
>>> 
>>>> Ah, illiteracy turns you on.
>>> 
>>> You mean like the kind of illiteracy expressed in prepositional phrases
>>> with nominative case pronouns?  No, that kind of ironically pretentious
>>> illiteracy bores me.
>> 
>> Seriously, you are comparing some mistakes of mine you can dig up with 7's
>> daily illiteracy.  Give it up.  Pathetic.
> 
> 
> Do you spik Inglish?
> Daily illiteracy snot? Where?
> Witch spill chicker do you use snot to detect illiteracy?

None needed to see you present yourself as illiterate and foolish.


-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


0
Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 1:27:22 PM

On 10/7/12 5:12 AM, in article k4rrk3$l00$1@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahlstrom"
<admin@cyberbully.com> wrote:

> After swilling some grog, Bubbles The Clown belched this bit o' wisdom:
> 
>> On Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:22:23 PM UTC-4, 7 wrote:
>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>> 
>> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
> 
> It is obvious *more* than a tool to many people, myself included.
> 
> Much the same as I considered HP and TI calculators to be more than just
> tools.
> 
> They are all *fun*.

Sure, many people also use computers for entertainment... but that does not
mean they want to tinker with the computer to get it working... or see that
as fun when they do.  Some do like this.  But not most.


-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 1:40:20 PM

On 10/7/12 4:15 AM, in article ivdcs.311121$t45.250288@fx02.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> -hh wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>> 
>> Pretty much the reason why I don't.
> 
> There is puppy Linux for you if you don't want to be geek.

How is Puppy less geeky than other distros?
 
>>> You can do anything.
>> 
>> Only after infinite resources have been added.
> 
> That is evidence you have no idea what you want to do in IT and computing.

Incorrect.  It shows he understands the open source ecosystem better than do
you.

.... 



-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 1:42:14 PM

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:42:19 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
> On 10/7/12 4:15 AM, in article ivdcs.311121$t45.250288@fx02.am4, "7"
> 
> <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > -hh wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> >>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
> 
> >>> ------------------------------------------------
> 
> >>> 
> 
> >>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> Pretty much the reason why I don't.
> 
> > 
> 
> > There is puppy Linux for you if you don't want to be geek.
> 
> 
> 
> How is Puppy less geeky than other distros?

Here comes the snit circus. This is how it starts. Snit asks an open ended question and no matter how you answer it he will argue and the thread will grow more heads than a hydra.

What's laughable is that he already knows the answer to the question he is asking. That doesn't stop him though. He needs to be fed with replies.

Cut him off now and ignore him.
It's the only way to send the message that he should find another town to set up the snit circus in.
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Reply fungee2099 (13) 10/7/2012 2:02:54 PM

Snit wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Yawn.  Me finds you silliness hilarious.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So it's ok for you to be a schoolmarm when it comes to 7's
>>>>>>>> spelling/grammar,
>>>>>>>> but when I do the same to you it's "silliness"?
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> You clearly have never read any posts by 7.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like the creative way 7 uses the language.
>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, illiteracy turns you on.
>>>> 
>>>> You mean like the kind of illiteracy expressed in prepositional phrases
>>>> with nominative case pronouns?  No, that kind of ironically pretentious
>>>> illiteracy bores me.
>>> 
>>> Seriously, you are comparing some mistakes of mine you can dig up with
>>> 7's
>>> daily illiteracy.  Give it up.  Pathetic.
>> 
>> 
>> Do you spik Inglish?
>> Daily illiteracy snot? Where?
>> Witch spill chicker do you use snot to detect illiteracy?
> 
> None needed to see you present yourself as illiterate and foolish.


You have not answered the 3 questions:

 Do you spik Inglish?
 Daily illiteracy snot? Where?
 Witch spill chicker do you use snot to detect illiteracy?

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 2:56:43 PM

Snit wrote:


>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>> 
>>> Pretty much the reason why I don't.
>> 
>> There is puppy Linux for you if you don't want to be geek.
> 
> How is Puppy less geeky than other distros?

As you don't own much hardware, you cannot possibly
try it and know like I have. Its free if you invested in hardware:

http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm 

http://www.livecdlist.com has pointers to many other
Linux distros.

 
>>>> You can do anything.
>>> 
>>> Only after infinite resources have been added.
>> 
>> That is evidence you have no idea what you want to do in IT and
>> computing.
> 
> Incorrect.  It shows he understands the open source ecosystem better than
> do you.

Therefore you are just a plain liar.
A lying troll cannot change its ways.
Because you don't spend any money on IT hardware, you can't learn IT,
and you engage in trolling after reading a lot of comic books I can tell.

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 3:06:26 PM

Confabulating Fraud 7 wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>
>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>
>> Pretty much the reason why I don't.
>
> There is puppy Linux for you if you don't want to be geek.

May I continue using Mint when I'm not a "geek" and don't want to be a 
"geek"?

b.t.w.
I have much more "hardware" than you have, confabulating fraud Joseph 
Michael:
35 tablets
46 smart phones
40 PC's, *except* the 32 old and obsolete PC's
Oh, not to mention, keyboards, mice, servers, USB devices a.s.o.
All on my (small) companies name :-)
<aside>
Did someone ever tell you that you are a confabulating  idiot, *idiot*? 

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Reply clogwog (1762) 10/7/2012 3:32:08 PM

Clogwog wrote:


>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>
>>> Pretty much the reason why I don't.
>>
>> There is puppy Linux for you if you don't want to be geek.
> 
> May I continue using Mint when I'm not a "geek" and don't want to be a
> "geek"?
> 
> b.t.w.
> I have much more "hardware" than you have, confabulating fraud Joseph
> Michael:
> 35 tablets
> 46 smart phones
> 40 PC's, *except* the 32 old and obsolete PC's
> Oh, not to mention, keyboards, mice, servers, USB devices a.s.o.
> All on my (small) companies name :-)
> <aside>
> Did someone ever tell you that you are a confabulating  idiot, *idiot*?


So what you are saying is that Burson-Marstelar local branch
company has 40 dumb employees?

Seeing all those company PCs have made you a geek because you can count
how many PCs the company owns?


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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 3:39:33 PM

On 2012-10-07, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> On 10/6/12 11:42 PM, in article
> 20121007083838.702@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
> <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

8<

>> Oh, and spelling "Micoshaft" and "Appile" wrong obviously serves
>> another purpose too. Can Snit not figure that out by himself?
>
> Sure: it serves to make him look even more illiterate and foolish.

*buzz*
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Reply tommy.bongaerts (5594) 10/7/2012 4:09:37 PM

Snit wrote:


>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>> 
>>> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
>> 
>> It is obvious *more* than a tool to many people, myself included.
>> 
>> Much the same as I considered HP and TI calculators to be more than just
>> tools.
>> 
>> They are all *fun*.
> 
> Sure, many people also use computers for entertainment... but that does
> not mean they want to tinker with the computer to get it working... or see
> that
> as fun when they do.  Some do like this.  But not most.


With Ubuntu there is less tinkering than any other OS on the planet to get
the average user working.

Its so good that you can move the hard disk to a completely different PC
and still boot without having to click or set up anything.

For the enterprise user, this is something no other OS can do yet.

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 4:22:25 PM

On 06/10/12 23:22, 7 wrote:
> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>
> You can do anything.
>
> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.
>
> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual
> machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
> to know your command like the back of your hand,
> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.
>
> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.
>
> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.
>
> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.
>
>
>
I guess that that could be one reason for using Linux. As for me, I use 
Linux because it is more reliable than Windows and more flexible than 
OSX. I have a friend, who tried porting OSX to an MSI Wind U100 and it 
was dead slow. OSX uses a lot more CPU power than the little Atom 
processor is able to give. On Linux the netbook is a great little workhorse.

For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine 
is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor, but 
thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little 
powerhouse and does everything that I need.

My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular 
Linux Mint such a great operating system.

Ian
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Reply nospam30 (871) 10/7/2012 5:03:11 PM

On 10/7/12 9:22 AM, in article 5%hcs.257235$qe5.127864@fx26.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>>> 
>>>> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
>>>> 
>>> It is obvious *more* than a tool to many people, myself included.
>>> 
>>> Much the same as I considered HP and TI calculators to be more than just
>>> tools.
>>> 
>>> They are all *fun*.
>>> 
>> Sure, many people also use computers for entertainment... but that does not
>> mean they want to tinker with the computer to get it working... or see that
>> as fun when they do.  Some do like this.  But not most.
> 
> With Ubuntu there is less tinkering than any other OS on the planet to get the
> average user working.

It does come with a lot of software that on Windows and OS X the "average
user" is likely to need to find and download (assuming they do not already
have it - with OS X, if they have it from before it all gets transferred
seamlessly).  So this is a benefit for Ubuntu (and desktop Linux in
general).

But "working" is not good enough - clearly.  People who move from the "norm"
are generally seeking something *better* than Windows - and are even willing
to pay more to get it.  Ubuntu clearly is not that.

> Its so good that you can move the hard disk to a completely different PC and
> still boot without having to click or set up anything.
> 
> For the enterprise user, this is something no other OS can do yet.

Hmmm, since Macs come with OS X I do not have to do that.  Have never had to
try. 



-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 5:03:54 PM

On 10/7/12 9:09 AM, in article 20121007180900.377@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
<tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-10-07, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> On 10/6/12 11:42 PM, in article
>> 20121007083838.702@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
>> <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 8<
> 
>>> Oh, and spelling "Micoshaft" and "Appile" wrong obviously serves
>>> another purpose too. Can Snit not figure that out by himself?
>> 
>> Sure: it serves to make him look even more illiterate and foolish.
> 
> *buzz*

It is what it does.  You might have theories as to why he makes himself look
even more illiterate and foolish, but the fact is that is the affect.


-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 5:04:48 PM

On 10/7/12 8:06 AM, in article STgcs.253474$x81.140355@fx06.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>> 
>>>> Pretty much the reason why I don't.
>>> 
>>> There is puppy Linux for you if you don't want to be geek.
>> 
>> How is Puppy less geeky than other distros?
> 
> As you don't own much hardware, you cannot possibly
> try it and know like I have.

I see you have altered your trolling BS from *used* to *owned*.  But even
there you are just making things up.

> Its free if you invested in hardware:
> 
> http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm
> 
> http://www.livecdlist.com has pointers to many other
> Linux distros.

Which does not in any way support your claim.  See: TomB defends you to no
end - but you present yourself as ignorant and foolish.

>>>>> You can do anything.
>>>> 
>>>> Only after infinite resources have been added.
>>> 
>>> That is evidence you have no idea what you want to do in IT and
>>> computing.
>> 
>> Incorrect.  It shows he understands the open source ecosystem better than
>> do you.
> 
> Therefore you are just a plain liar.
> A lying troll cannot change its ways.
> Because you don't spend any money on IT hardware, you can't learn IT,
> and you engage in trolling after reading a lot of comic books I can tell.

Again: you present yourself as ignorant and foolish.



-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 5:06:16 PM

On 10/7/12 7:56 AM, in article LKgcs.123680$hg4.117593@fx04.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yawn.  Me finds you silliness hilarious.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So it's ok for you to be a schoolmarm when it comes to 7's
>>>>>>>>> spelling/grammar,
>>>>>>>>> but when I do the same to you it's "silliness"?
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> You clearly have never read any posts by 7.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I like the creative way 7 uses the language.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ah, illiteracy turns you on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You mean like the kind of illiteracy expressed in prepositional phrases
>>>>> with nominative case pronouns?  No, that kind of ironically pretentious
>>>>> illiteracy bores me.
>>>> 
>>>> Seriously, you are comparing some mistakes of mine you can dig up with
>>>> 7's
>>>> daily illiteracy.  Give it up.  Pathetic.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Do you spik Inglish?
>>> Daily illiteracy snot? Where?
>>> Witch spill chicker do you use snot to detect illiteracy?
>> 
>> None needed to see you present yourself as illiterate and foolish.
> 
> 
> You have not answered the 3 questions:
> 
>  Do you spik Inglish?
>  Daily illiteracy snot? Where?
>  Witch spill chicker do you use snot to detect illiteracy?
> 
Again: you present yourself as ignorant and foolish.



-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 5:06:26 PM

On 10/7/12 10:03 AM, in article addqugF4k8lU1@mid.individual.net, "Ian
Hilliard" <nospam@nospam.org> wrote:

> On 06/10/12 23:22, 7 wrote:
>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>> 
>> You can do anything.
>> 
>> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.
>> 
>> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
>> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
>> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
>> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual
>> machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
>> to know your command like the back of your hand,
>> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
>> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
>> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
>> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.
>> 
>> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.
>> 
>> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.
>> 
>> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
>> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
>> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.
>> 
> I guess that that could be one reason for using Linux. As for me, I use
> Linux because it is more reliable than Windows and more flexible than
> OSX. I have a friend, who tried porting OSX to an MSI Wind U100 and it
> was dead slow. OSX uses a lot more CPU power than the little Atom
> processor is able to give. On Linux the netbook is a great little workhorse.
> 
> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor, but
> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
> 
> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
> Linux Mint such a great operating system.

No doubt desktop Linux can work quickly on older hardware - more than the
competition.  Sadly it does not offer a better experience, in general, than
the competition.  With that said, I am happy you and others choose it - the
more people who do the more likely it will become truly competitive with
time.



-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


0
Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 5:19:15 PM

On Oct 7, 11:04=A0am, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/7/12 9:09 AM, in article 20121007180900....@usenet.drumscum.be, "To=
mB"
>
> <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2012-10-07, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> >> On 10/6/12 11:42 PM, in article
> >> 20121007083838....@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
> >> <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 8<
>
> >>> Oh, and spelling "Micoshaft" and "Appile" wrong obviously serves
> >>> another purpose too. Can Snit not figure that out by himself?
>
> >> Sure: it serves to make him look even more illiterate and foolish.
>
> > *buzz*
>
> It is what it does. =A0You might have theories as to why he makes himself=
 look
> even more illiterate and foolish, but the fact is that is the affect.

Being illiterate doesn't make one a fool... just as being literate
doesn't preclude one from being a fool. Take you, for example... what
"affect" do you think all your lying produces? Or your posts that are
filled with other kinds of BS (and not just the gibberish posts)?

Any minute now you'll explain how you've become widely recognized as a
liar, troll or worse *without* having been "foolish". Right, Mr.
Hypocrite?

(cue up Snit's bogus, "psych degree" response... based on his own
personal "boogieman")
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Reply fretwizzer (2810) 10/7/2012 5:33:52 PM

On Oct 7, 9:09=A0am, TomB <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2012-10-07, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
> > On 10/6/12 11:42 PM, in article
> > 20121007083838....@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
> > <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 8<
>
> >> Oh, and spelling "Micoshaft" and "Appile" wrong obviously serves
> >> another purpose too. Can Snit not figure that out by himself?
>
> > Sure: it serves to make him look even more illiterate and foolish.
>
> *buzz*

Snit is in attack mode.  Someone hit a nerve.
0
Reply stevecarrroll (388) 10/7/2012 5:40:10 PM

On Oct 7, 10:33=A0am, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 11:04=A0am, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10/7/12 9:09 AM, in article 20121007180900....@usenet.drumscum.be, "=
TomB"
>
> > <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 2012-10-07, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> > >> On 10/6/12 11:42 PM, in article
> > >> 20121007083838....@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
> > >> <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > 8<
>
> > >>> Oh, and spelling "Micoshaft" and "Appile" wrong obviously serves
> > >>> another purpose too. Can Snit not figure that out by himself?
>
> > >> Sure: it serves to make him look even more illiterate and foolish.
>
> > > *buzz*
>
> > It is what it does. =A0You might have theories as to why he makes himse=
lf look
> > even more illiterate and foolish, but the fact is that is the affect.
>
> Being illiterate doesn't make one a fool... just as being literate
> doesn't preclude one from being a fool. Take you, for example... what
> "affect" do you think all your lying produces? Or your posts that are
> filled with other kinds of BS (and not just the gibberish posts)?
>
> Any minute now you'll explain how you've become widely recognized as a
> liar, troll or worse *without* having been "foolish". Right, Mr.
> Hypocrite?
>
> (cue up Snit's bogus, "psych degree" response... based on his own
> personal "boogieman")

Stop forging me, Snit.
0
Reply stevecarrroll (388) 10/7/2012 5:40:35 PM

7 wrote:
> Clogwog wrote:
>
>
>>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>>
>>>> Pretty much the reason why I don't.
>>>
>>> There is puppy Linux for you if you don't want to be geek.
>>
>> May I continue using Mint when I'm not a "geek" and don't want to be
>> a "geek"?
>>
>> b.t.w.
>> I have much more "hardware" than you have, confabulating fraud Joseph
>> Michael:
>> 35 tablets
>> 46 smart phones
>> 40 PC's, *except* the 32 old and obsolete PC's
>> Oh, not to mention, keyboards, mice, servers, USB devices a.s.o.
>> All on my (small) companies name :-)
>> <aside>
>> Did someone ever tell you that you are a confabulating  idiot,
>> *idiot*?
>
>
> So what you are saying is that Burson-Marstelar local branch
> company has 40 dumb employees?

These folks are not dumb and they make much more than the lousy 50K you make 
per year!, just stop your snotting whining you dumb fucked cunt!
http://burson-marsteller.nl/over-ons/team/

So Spamboy, you trolling fsckwit, may I continue using Mint when I'm not a 
"geek" and don't want to be a "geek"?






















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Reply clogwog (1762) 10/7/2012 5:41:03 PM

Snit wrote:


>>>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pretty much the reason why I don't.
>>>> 
>>>> There is puppy Linux for you if you don't want to be geek.
>>> 
>>> How is Puppy less geeky than other distros?
>> 
>> As you don't own much hardware, you cannot possibly
>> try it and know like I have.
> 
> I see you have altered your trolling BS from *used* to *owned*.  But even
> there you are just making things up.

No you don't see at all.
The point went above your trolling and lying head.
You are trying to cover up for it by furthering it with more lies.

 
>> Its free if you invested in hardware:
>> 
>> http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm
>> 
>> http://www.livecdlist.com has pointers to many other
>> Linux distros.
> 
> Which does not in any way support your claim.


Oh but it did, and you just lied about it thats all.

It went over your head because you don't
understand computers, puppy Linux, Linux or computers in general.
All you understand I assume from your admission earlier
is the one computer you post
from and then you imagine you are a geek and then lie and lie again
for trolling purposes
for all the lost time and hard work that is demanded of geeks.

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 5:43:02 PM

On Oct 6, 8:31=A0pm, owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > On 10/6/12 7:10 PM, in article es3....@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> > <o...@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> > > Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > >> On 10/6/12 6:23 PM, in article sr3.er...@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> > >> <o...@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>
> > >>> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On 10/6/12 6:00 PM, in article sx....@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> > >>>> <o...@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> =A0By the way, did you have any
> > >>>>>> trouble understanding what I was saying in those sentences?
>
> > >>>>> After stumbling over the blatant errors, I was eventually able to=
 parse
> > >>>>> them.
>
> > >>>> I would love to hear your description of the errors.
>
> > >>> "against Onion Knight and I"
> > >>> This sort of error is hilarious mainly for its pretentiousness.
>
> > >> And that was enough to make the content challenging for you to under=
stand.
> > >> LOL!
>
> > >> Really... me finds that hilarious.
>
> > > It's not as hilarious as watching you squirm through a back-and-forth
> > > about unnamed errors, vainly trying on your own to determine just whe=
re
> > > you screwed up, and eventually having to throw up your hands and beg =
me
> > > to show you. =A0LOL!
> > Yawn. =A0Me finds you silliness hilarious.
>
> So it's ok for you to be a schoolmarm when it comes to 7's spelling/gramm=
ar,
> but when I do the same to you it's "silliness"?

Where have you been? Certainly you must know that it's only what Snit
says that is important?!
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Reply fretwizzer (2810) 10/7/2012 5:44:35 PM

Snit wrote:

> On 10/7/12 10:03 AM, in article addqugF4k8lU1@mid.individual.net, "Ian
> Hilliard" <nospam@nospam.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 06/10/12 23:22, 7 wrote:
>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>> 
>>> You can do anything.
>>> 
>>> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.
>>> 
>>> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
>>> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
>>> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
>>> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual
>>> machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
>>> to know your command like the back of your hand,
>>> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
>>> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
>>> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
>>> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.
>>> 
>>> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.
>>> 
>>> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.
>>> 
>>> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
>>> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
>>> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.
>>> 
>> I guess that that could be one reason for using Linux. As for me, I use
>> Linux because it is more reliable than Windows and more flexible than
>> OSX. I have a friend, who tried porting OSX to an MSI Wind U100 and it
>> was dead slow. OSX uses a lot more CPU power than the little Atom
>> processor is able to give. On Linux the netbook is a great little
>> workhorse.
>> 
>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
>> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor, but
>> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
>> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>> 
>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
> 
> No doubt desktop Linux can work quickly on older hardware - more than the
> competition.  Sadly it does not offer a better experience,

Which is another lie because you have claimed that you don't own much
hardware and therefore you don't know the answer to owning a lot
of Linux machines.

> in general,
> than
> the competition.  With that said, I am happy you and others choose it -
> the more people who do the more likely it will become truly competitive
> with time.

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 5:44:37 PM

On Oct 7, 11:40=A0am, Steve Carroll <stevecarrr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 9:09=A0am, TomB <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2012-10-07, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
> > > On 10/6/12 11:42 PM, in article
> > > 20121007083838....@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
> > > <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 8<
>
> > >> Oh, and spelling "Micoshaft" and "Appile" wrong obviously serves
> > >> another purpose too. Can Snit not figure that out by himself?
>
> > > Sure: it serves to make him look even more illiterate and foolish.
>
> > *buzz*
>
> Snit is in attack mode. =A0Someone hit a nerve.

stevecarrroll@gmail.com =3D forgery (Snit)
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Reply fretwizzer (2810) 10/7/2012 5:48:24 PM

On Oct 7, 11:40=A0am, Steve Carroll <stevecarrr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 10:33=A0am, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 11:04=A0am, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 10/7/12 9:09 AM, in article 20121007180900....@usenet.drumscum.be,=
 "TomB"
>
> > > <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 2012-10-07, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> > > >> On 10/6/12 11:42 PM, in article
> > > >> 20121007083838....@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
> > > >> <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > 8<
>
> > > >>> Oh, and spelling "Micoshaft" and "Appile" wrong obviously serves
> > > >>> another purpose too. Can Snit not figure that out by himself?
>
> > > >> Sure: it serves to make him look even more illiterate and foolish.
>
> > > > *buzz*
>
> > > It is what it does. =A0You might have theories as to why he makes him=
self look
> > > even more illiterate and foolish, but the fact is that is the affect.
>
> > Being illiterate doesn't make one a fool... just as being literate
> > doesn't preclude one from being a fool. Take you, for example... what
> > "affect" do you think all your lying produces? Or your posts that are
> > filled with other kinds of BS (and not just the gibberish posts)?
>
> > Any minute now you'll explain how you've become widely recognized as a
> > liar, troll or worse *without* having been "foolish". Right, Mr.
> > Hypocrite?
>
> > (cue up Snit's bogus, "psych degree" response... based on his own
> > personal "boogieman")
>
> Stop forging me, Snit.

stevecarrroll@gmail.com =3D forgery (Snit)
0
Reply fretwizzer (2810) 10/7/2012 5:48:45 PM

On Oct 7, 10:48=A0am, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 11:40=A0am, Steve Carroll <stevecarrr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 10:33=A0am, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 7, 11:04=A0am, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 10/7/12 9:09 AM, in article 20121007180900....@usenet.drumscum.b=
e, "TomB"
>
> > > > <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On 2012-10-07, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> > > > >> On 10/6/12 11:42 PM, in article
> > > > >> 20121007083838....@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
> > > > >> <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > 8<
>
> > > > >>> Oh, and spelling "Micoshaft" and "Appile" wrong obviously serve=
s
> > > > >>> another purpose too. Can Snit not figure that out by himself?
>
> > > > >> Sure: it serves to make him look even more illiterate and foolis=
h.
>
> > > > > *buzz*
>
> > > > It is what it does. =A0You might have theories as to why he makes h=
imself look
> > > > even more illiterate and foolish, but the fact is that is the affec=
t.
>
> > > Being illiterate doesn't make one a fool... just as being literate
> > > doesn't preclude one from being a fool. Take you, for example... what
> > > "affect" do you think all your lying produces? Or your posts that are
> > > filled with other kinds of BS (and not just the gibberish posts)?
>
> > > Any minute now you'll explain how you've become widely recognized as =
a
> > > liar, troll or worse *without* having been "foolish". Right, Mr.
> > > Hypocrite?
>
> > > (cue up Snit's bogus, "psych degree" response... based on his own
> > > personal "boogieman")
>
> > Stop forging me, Snit.
>
> stevecarrr...@gmail.com =3D forgery (Snit)

Stop forging my posts, Snit.
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Reply stevecarrroll (388) 10/7/2012 6:10:01 PM

Clogwog wrote:

>>>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty much the reason why I don't.
>>>>
>>>> There is puppy Linux for you if you don't want to be geek.
>>>
>>> May I continue using Mint when I'm not a "geek" and don't want to be
>>> a "geek"?
>>>
>>> b.t.w.
>>> I have much more "hardware" than you have, confabulating fraud Joseph
>>> Michael:
>>> 35 tablets
>>> 46 smart phones
>>> 40 PC's, *except* the 32 old and obsolete PC's
>>> Oh, not to mention, keyboards, mice, servers, USB devices a.s.o.
>>> All on my (small) companies name :-)
>>> <aside>
>>> Did someone ever tell you that you are a confabulating  idiot,
>>> *idiot*?
>>
>>
>> So what you are saying is that Burson-Marstelar local branch
>> company has 40 dumb employees?
> 
> These folks are not dumb and they make much more than the lousy 50K you
> make per year!, just stop your snotting whining you dumb fucked cunt!
> http://burson-marsteller.nl/over-ons/team/
> 
> So Spamboy, you trolling fsckwit, may I continue using Mint when I'm not a
> "geek" and don't want to be a "geek"?


Meet Burson-Marstelar employee Clogwog who claims
to earns more than 50k through trolling.

Linux is getting big enough to prosecute online criminals
like you and the least you could do is give your
sponsor a name if you bold. An honest name if you are not a weasel.


Online internet troll Clogwog,
employee of Burson-Marstelar and disciple of Sorel
begs for a police raid of his offices and confiscate all PCs
and paperwork.

If police raided Sorel's online internet abuse factories where 
online troll and disciple Clogwog 
works her guts off to scream abuse at usenet users who
use Linux to please her master Sorel, then they would be
compelled by law to take names and addresses of all present,
confiscate all computers and servers, and contact all victims
of internet abuse and then charge abusers with criminal offenses 
as outraged victims of organized internet abuse for money press charges.

From what I hear these criminals from PR companies
like Sorel's Burson-Marstelar now graduate and sneak into charities
to DELIBERATELY siphon money into Sorel's off shored companies.
The Sorel empire is cracking under the weight of 100,000 disciples to feed.

Interpol/FBI where are you when you are needed?




Trolling is an Industry in USA
------------------------------

Hiring trolls is ignorant.

Most US politicians and businesses
are so corrupt and reliant to the point of addiction
on trolls and trolling and so they fund it all illegally
through charities because
funding through charities is untraceable
through loopholes in US law.

The US politicians, embassy staff and anyone else falling for it like 
Spanish government should know that the US trolls 
ordering embassies to this kind of work
have no mandate for these kinds of activities.

Just rich companies that have bank rolled teams of asstroturfers
to create fake support and certainly no mandate.
Companies like Eedleman also run fake survey companies
and delete everything except outlying data to fake their reports
to add legitimacy to their trolling campaigns.

There is NO MANDATE when fake asstroturfers are driving
the agenda.

The situation is so bad, it has spread into the military.
No one now knows who drives what agenda because
there is no traceability.

The fscking military, politicians, enviro nuts, music mafia,
using asstroturfing technology need the riot act read to them.

The situation is so incomprehensible that
the US has been declared falsely that it is the most charitable nation in
the world when at the same time 3 million US families
are living in shelter, and most of that charity money is fake
money being diverted from corporations into the coffers of asstroturfing
and PR companies. What would you do if you were 
forced into a shelter and all your charity
money was stolen from your charity?
You are down and they still want to steal YOUR CHARITY MONEY?!??
Thats right you would tell them NEVER and tell
them fsck off in no uncertain terms and get the law changed 
to make it a criminal offense to steal charity money
or spend it on anything other than 100% certified peer reviewed charity
without kickbacks, without creative accounting and
without morally unjust criminal behavior within
the charity system.

Most of the money funneled through
charities never make it to charitable causes in the USA.
It is stolen by politicians and pressure groups to cover
up their fake funding routes for asstroturfing.
They are used to it so we got to get over it?

No thanks!!!!

Not a single politician, embassy staff or military has a
mandate for one single political agenda because no one
knows who is funding who and who's agenda is real
and whose agenda is fake. Every signature collected
is one more fake signature for a mandate written out by
asstroturfers.

Asstroturfing through charities undermines society,
and all the nations dealing with US
and it must stop because no one in US has any legitimate
mandates for any of this activity any more.

If they have it, then should display their mandate
with pride, and show where the support had come from
and if any of it is through charities, then the
whole mandate is faked because charity status is being
abused to hide funding routes for corporate asstroturfing.



Asstroturfer offerings
----------------------


I've just read the contents of the fbo.gov solicitation RTB220610

The US government wants asstroturfers and with it sophisticated
asstroturfing technology to drown out democratic free speech,
and then hide from those whom it seeks to victimize.

It was point no.3 that caught my eye:
0003- Static IP Address Management

What that means is the same as what I've been saying for a while about 
doofi, flatcake and clog are true.

They are not individuals but a whole asstroturfing team
behind each sock puppet.

There isn't enough memory between the sock operators to know
or remember what had been said earlier so you know the
conversations are being typed out by multiple individuals
impersonating each other.
It was notable gaffs by the goofy doofy sock that first gave it away.

The asstroturfing teams had already gone into government and offered them
consulting services about what technology and asstroturfing
practices were out there for fbo.gov to decide what they will
purchase in solicitation RTB220610. Burson-Marstelar
won the contract performing all the activities
required in the solicitation with fantastic usenet software
tools for targeting individuals and trolling 24/7
and all built in outsourced India.


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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 6:56:19 PM

Snit wrote:

>>>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> The computer is a tool, an appliance to accomplish work.
>>>>> 
>>>> It is obvious *more* than a tool to many people, myself included.
>>>> 
>>>> Much the same as I considered HP and TI calculators to be more than
>>>> just tools.
>>>> 
>>>> They are all *fun*.
>>>> 
>>> Sure, many people also use computers for entertainment... but that does
>>> not mean they want to tinker with the computer to get it working... or
>>> see that
>>> as fun when they do.  Some do like this.  But not most.
>> 
>> With Ubuntu there is less tinkering than any other OS on the planet to
>> get the average user working.
> 
> It does come with a lot of software that on Windows and OS X the "average
> user" is likely to need to find and download (assuming they do not already
> have it - with OS X, if they have it from before it all gets transferred
> seamlessly).  So this is a benefit for Ubuntu (and desktop Linux in
> general).

So basically you are lying again. Windopws and Appil do not have this
enterprise technology. Ubuntu does and many other Linux distros
have the ability to move disk from one PC to next and boot despite
a complete change of system from motherboards to chip sets.

Enterprises like Amazon benefits from this for example because they can just 
swap between widely different hardware by not having to spend precious 
minutes updating each machine. Although in reality they are so big
they change their entire bay rather than a disk.


> But "working" is not good enough - clearly.  People who move from the
> "norm" are generally seeking something *better* than Windows - and are
> even willing
> to pay more to get it.  Ubuntu clearly is not that.

Lying again troll? Ubuntu support has to be paid for. Amazon and other
customers pay.


>> Its so good that you can move the hard disk to a completely different PC
>> and still boot without having to click or set up anything.
>> 
>> For the enterprise user, this is something no other OS can do yet.
> 
> Hmmm, since Macs come with OS X I do not have to do that.  Have never had
> to try.

You are lying again because you have very limited hardware and very limited 
experience and so your replies are totally dishonest.
You spend all your time trolling and not hot swapping machines in a busy
IT environment to know of all the important engineering behind IT.
But despite that, you continue to lie through experiences
with your one computer and make up for any deficiencies in your trolling
with as much lies as you can pack into a troll post to post it into 
comp.os.linux.advocacy.

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 7:14:42 PM

On 10/7/12 12:14 PM, in article Dwkcs.326722$uJ4.269525@fx18.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

.... 
>>> With Ubuntu there is less tinkering than any other OS on the planet to
>>> get the average user working.
>> 
>> It does come with a lot of software that on Windows and OS X the "average
>> user" is likely to need to find and download (assuming they do not already
>> have it - with OS X, if they have it from before it all gets transferred
>> seamlessly).  So this is a benefit for Ubuntu (and desktop Linux in
>> general).
> 
> So basically you are lying again.

Nope.  But from your illiterate and foolish position maybe it seems that way
to you.
....

>> But "working" is not good enough - clearly.  People who move from the "norm"
>> are generally seeking something *better* than Windows - and are even willing
>> to pay more to get it.  Ubuntu clearly is not that.
> 
> Lying again troll?

Boring and baseless accusations.  The best you can do, no doubt.

....
>>> Its so good that you can move the hard disk to a completely different PC
>>> and still boot without having to click or set up anything.
>>> 
>>> For the enterprise user, this is something no other OS can do yet.
>> 
>> Hmmm, since Macs come with OS X I do not have to do that.  Have never had
>> to try.
> 
> You are lying again

Again: perhaps from your illiterate and foolish perception.  But that is not
relevant to reality.

....


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 7:18:17 PM

Snit wrote:


>>>> With Ubuntu there is less tinkering than any other OS on the planet to
>>>> get the average user working.
>>> 
>>> It does come with a lot of software that on Windows and OS X the
>>> "average user" is likely to need to find and download (assuming they do
>>> not already have it - with OS X, if they have it from before it all gets
>>> transferred
>>> seamlessly).  So this is a benefit for Ubuntu (and desktop Linux in
>>> general).
>> 
>> So basically you are lying again.
> 
> Nope.  But from your illiterate and foolish position maybe it seems that
> way to you.

You are lying again.
Whenever you are faced with being called a liar, and you have to
run, your response is to anything but to acknowledge you have lied.


> ...
> 
>>> But "working" is not good enough - clearly.  People who move from the
>>> "norm" are generally seeking something *better* than Windows - and are
>>> even willing
>>> to pay more to get it.  Ubuntu clearly is not that.
>> 
>> Lying again troll?
> 
> Boring and baseless accusations.  The best you can do, no doubt.

You are lying again to cover up your lies.

> 
> ...
>>>> Its so good that you can move the hard disk to a completely different
>>>> PC and still boot without having to click or set up anything.
>>>> 
>>>> For the enterprise user, this is something no other OS can do yet.
>>> 
>>> Hmmm, since Macs come with OS X I do not have to do that.  Have never
>>> had to try.
>> 
>> You are lying again
> 
> Again: perhaps from your illiterate and foolish perception.  But that is
> not relevant to reality.

Again you are lying to cover up your trolling habits and the lack
of hardware you have invested into. Everything you broadcast into
comp.linux.advocacy is built
on top of lies based around your ownership of your one single computer.

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 7:27:11 PM

On 10/7/12 12:27 PM, in article oIkcs.399226$bM5.125820@fx09.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>> With Ubuntu there is less tinkering than any other OS on the planet to
>>>>> get the average user working.
>>>> 
>>>> It does come with a lot of software that on Windows and OS X the
>>>> "average user" is likely to need to find and download (assuming they do
>>>> not already have it - with OS X, if they have it from before it all gets
>>>> transferred
>>>> seamlessly).  So this is a benefit for Ubuntu (and desktop Linux in
>>>> general).
>>> 
>>> So basically you are lying again.
>> 
>> Nope.  But from your illiterate and foolish position maybe it seems that
>> way to you.
> 
> You are lying again.
> Whenever you are faced with being called a liar, and you have to
> run, your response is to anything but to acknowledge you have lied.
> 
> 
>> ...
>> 
>>>> But "working" is not good enough - clearly.  People who move from the
>>>> "norm" are generally seeking something *better* than Windows - and are
>>>> even willing
>>>> to pay more to get it.  Ubuntu clearly is not that.
>>> 
>>> Lying again troll?
>> 
>> Boring and baseless accusations.  The best you can do, no doubt.
> 
> You are lying again to cover up your lies.
> 
>> 
>> ...
>>>>> Its so good that you can move the hard disk to a completely different
>>>>> PC and still boot without having to click or set up anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the enterprise user, this is something no other OS can do yet.
>>>> 
>>>> Hmmm, since Macs come with OS X I do not have to do that.  Have never
>>>> had to try.
>>> 
>>> You are lying again
>> 
>> Again: perhaps from your illiterate and foolish perception.  But that is
>> not relevant to reality.
> 
> Again you are lying to cover up your trolling habits and the lack
> of hardware you have invested into. Everything you broadcast into
> comp.linux.advocacy is built
> on top of lies based around your ownership of your one single computer.

Boring trolling from you.  Yawn.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 7:34:36 PM

Snit wrote:


>>>>>> With Ubuntu there is less tinkering than any other OS on the planet
>>>>>> to get the average user working.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It does come with a lot of software that on Windows and OS X the
>>>>> "average user" is likely to need to find and download (assuming they
>>>>> do not already have it - with OS X, if they have it from before it all
>>>>> gets transferred
>>>>> seamlessly).  So this is a benefit for Ubuntu (and desktop Linux in
>>>>> general).
>>>> 
>>>> So basically you are lying again.
>>> 
>>> Nope.  But from your illiterate and foolish position maybe it seems that
>>> way to you.
>> 
>> You are lying again.
>> Whenever you are faced with being called a liar, and you have to
>> run, your response is to anything but to acknowledge you have lied.
>> 
>> 
>>> ...
>>> 
>>>>> But "working" is not good enough - clearly.  People who move from the
>>>>> "norm" are generally seeking something *better* than Windows - and are
>>>>> even willing
>>>>> to pay more to get it.  Ubuntu clearly is not that.
>>>> 
>>>> Lying again troll?
>>> 
>>> Boring and baseless accusations.  The best you can do, no doubt.
>> 
>> You are lying again to cover up your lies.
>> 
>>> 
>>> ...
>>>>>> Its so good that you can move the hard disk to a completely different
>>>>>> PC and still boot without having to click or set up anything.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For the enterprise user, this is something no other OS can do yet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hmmm, since Macs come with OS X I do not have to do that.  Have never
>>>>> had to try.
>>>> 
>>>> You are lying again
>>> 
>>> Again: perhaps from your illiterate and foolish perception.  But that is
>>> not relevant to reality.
>> 
>> Again you are lying to cover up your trolling habits and the lack
>> of hardware you have invested into. Everything you broadcast into
>> comp.linux.advocacy is built
>> on top of lies based around your ownership of your one single computer.
> 
> Boring trolling from you.  Yawn.


More lies from you snit to pad out your other lies snit.


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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 7:46:14 PM

7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> >> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
> >> ------------------------------------------------
>
> >> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>
> > Pretty much the reason why I don't.
>
> There is puppy Linux for you if you don't want to be geek.

No, I did not say that I didn't want to be a geek.

In any case, the IT tools that I'm currently applying are working
quite satisfactorily, without any drama or 'geekery' magic required.
Of course, this is a generalized statement ... it appears that while I
was out galavanting on holiday, the system that had problems wasn't
the 'proprietary' systems I left running, but just my Linux server
(again); golly, how ironic is that?


> >> You can do anything.
>
> > Only after infinite resources have been added.
>
> That is evidence you have no idea what you want to do in IT and computing=
..

No, it is merely evidence that _you_ have no clue what I want to do.


> >> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out=
..
>
> > Actually one indeed can, because the term 'geek' isn't defined as
> > being exclusive to the IT discipline:
>
> If the context of IT discipline has been lost on you,
> you must be having a hard time being forced to troll
> in comp.os.linux.advocacy.

No, discipline is not unique to IT.  Of course, even though that has
become commonplace, information technology is also not unique to
binary digital technologies either, even though most of the COLA
readership probably assumes that it is.



> > "P

Here is where 7 chose to delete the Wikipedia definition of 'geek'; a
classical avoidance gambit.



> >> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
> >> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
> >> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
> >> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual
> >> machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
> >> to know your command like the back of your hand,
> >> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
> >> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
> >> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing, ...
>
> > Unfortunately, very few people worldwide are actually proficient in
> > all of those things and even this impressive-sounding list is hardly
> > even comprehensive .. it barely scratches the surface of IT (let alone
> > other areas of geekery).
>
> So your idea of geek is to proficient in specific things as opposed
> to being proficient in general across many things.

No, but even it it was, your list wasn't general across many things
anyway (see below), which just goes to show just how many scores of
leagues removed from even the promise of being a Renaissance Man.



> > For example, just which database
> > packages ... all of them?
>
> There you go again - your idea of geek is to proficient in specific thing=
s
> as opposed to being proficient in general across many things technology.

No, since your statement of "...you got to know your C/C++..." was
even more specific, hypocrite.


> The word geek is poorly understood by a troll like you
> but you are forced to post drivel out your trolls all day.
> Very sad.

Even though you tried to suppress it, an independent third party
definition was provided.  And sadder still are how often you revert to
Ad Hominem attacks because you know that you can't address the point
substantively.  A "Debate Geek" you are not :-)


> > Where's skill in PLCs (and all of these
> > too)? =A0Where are the proficiencies in all of the other computing
> > languages (such as COBOL)? =A0And let's not forget IT history, either!
>
> The word geek is poorly understood by a troll like you
> but you are forced to post drivel out your trolls all day grabbing
> at all and topic you can rant about.

Speaking of drivel, you're repeating yourself.


> >> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.
>
> > Actually, IT geekery proficiency would require proficiency in
> > heterogeneous operating systems environments.
>
> Which can only be achieved if Linux is the main part
> of your geek knowledge. Knowing other OS is not in itself
> geeky enough.

Nice recovery attempt, but it fails based on the Pareto Principle
without any need to even mention the Peter Principle comment being
attempted by '7'.


> > Afterall, it isn't
> > like Linux represents 95% of the installed base, so an IT geek that's
> > only able to work on 1% of desktops wouldn't be considered
> > particularly proficient or skilled.
>
> >> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.
>
> > Once again, only after infinite resources have been added. =A0And of
> > course, if one did have infinite resources, one could just as easily
> > simply buy Microsoft and Apple.
>
> >> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.
>
> > Which for the vast majority of individuals (including many 'geeks') is
> > an asset, not a liability.
>
> >> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
> >> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
> >> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.
>
> > Sorry, but it is quite possible to "go back" after trying Linux
>
> Liar! Nope! A true geek can never go back because he/she can do
> everything while proprietary is VERY limited.

No, you read the statement incorrectly.  You need to stop being so
fucked up in the head in trying to make everything a Religious War
regarding commercial vs. FOSS interests.  Afterall, if one is a true
technology geek, then what matters more is the technology, not its
'ownership' status.


> > and
> > one doesn't even need infinite resources either: =A0did it myself on my
> > desktop and am quite content with the outcome of limiting Linux just
> > to a few anonymous network appliances.
>
> That sums up everything. You are not a geek. You are just a troll
> that has aspirations to be geek. You don't live and breath technology
> at the sharp end - and you make up for all that lost time by
> trolling and lying in comp.os.linux.advocacy.

I'm not the type of geek that you think belongs in COLA.  And yet I'm
here and have more than held my own across more technology topics than
just IT.  Naturally, this hasn't been sufficient to make you pause to
reconsider because you're not a true technology geek yourself.


> > The bottom line is to use the
> > right tool for each job and Linux simply isn't the best tool for
> > everything, despite however loud and insistent the inevitably
> > irrational fanboy claims to the contrary become.
>
> Which is why I said, to be a true geek you need to be fully
> conversant in Linux. And once you do, you cannot go back to toy OSen.

Sorry, but you're simply a hate-mongering FOSS religious bigot who has
convinced himself that he knows everything about technology, but
hasn't the success to show for it ... which is why you blame others
for your IRL failures instead of accepting personal responsibility for
it yourself.



> > -hh
>
> You are a lying troll hh. Don't forget that when you reply.

Yet Another example of "7" trying to blame others for his own
shortcomings in life.


-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/7/2012 7:51:53 PM

On 10/7/12 12:46 PM, in article a_kcs.236962$Kc7.113866@fx20.am4, "7"
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:

.... 
>> Boring trolling from you.  Yawn.
>  
> More lies from you snit to pad out your other lies snit.

It is not a lie to note your trolling is boring.  It is.



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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/7/2012 8:00:19 PM

Distro flipping clown of Cola, Joseph - "cuckoo "7" - Michael wrote:

> Snit wrote:
>
>> On 10/7/12 10:03 AM, in article addqugF4k8lU1@mid.individual.net,
>> "Ian Hilliard" <nospam@nospam.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/10/12 23:22, 7 wrote:
>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>>
>>>> You can do anything.
>>>>
>>>> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
>>>> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
>>>> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
>>>> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your
>>>> virtual machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you
>>>> got
>>>> to know your command like the back of your hand,
>>>> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
>>>> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
>>>> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
>>>> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating
>>>> systems.
>>>>
>>>> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these
>>>> fronts.
>>>>
>>>> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.
>>>>
>>>> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
>>>> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
>>>> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.
>>>>
>>> I guess that that could be one reason for using Linux. As for me, I
>>> use Linux because it is more reliable than Windows and more
>>> flexible than OSX. I have a friend, who tried porting OSX to an MSI
>>> Wind U100 and it was dead slow. OSX uses a lot more CPU power than
>>> the little Atom processor is able to give. On Linux the netbook is
>>> a great little workhorse.
>>>
>>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The
>>> machine is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the
>>> monitor, but thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a
>>> great little powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>>>
>>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>>
>> No doubt desktop Linux can work quickly on older hardware - more
>> than the competition.  Sadly it does not offer a better experience,
>
> Which is another lie because you have claimed that you don't own much
> hardware and therefore you don't know the answer to owning a lot
> of Linux machines.
>

Oh my dear, not again!!!!!!!!!!
10 years ago it was quite common knowledge that "Linux made you stupid" (as 
confirmed by Peter Kohlmann), maybe gay as well (as confirmed by Marti van 
Lin).
Today we have another one: "LINUX MAKES YOU MAD" (as confirmed by Joseph 
Michael aka "7": Message-ID: <9cjcs.414419$1R2.235817@fx07.am4>)



















































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Reply Roy_Culley (30) 10/7/2012 8:13:42 PM

Crapit Bampoo wrote:


>>>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can do anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside
>>>>> out.
>>>>>
>>>>> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
>>>>> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
>>>>> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
>>>>> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your
>>>>> virtual machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you
>>>>> got
>>>>> to know your command like the back of your hand,
>>>>> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
>>>>> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
>>>>> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
>>>>> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating
>>>>> systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these
>>>>> fronts.
>>>>>
>>>>> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
>>>>> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
>>>>> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.
>>>>>
>>>> I guess that that could be one reason for using Linux. As for me, I
>>>> use Linux because it is more reliable than Windows and more
>>>> flexible than OSX. I have a friend, who tried porting OSX to an MSI
>>>> Wind U100 and it was dead slow. OSX uses a lot more CPU power than
>>>> the little Atom processor is able to give. On Linux the netbook is
>>>> a great little workhorse.
>>>>
>>>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The
>>>> machine is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the
>>>> monitor, but thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a
>>>> great little powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>>>>
>>>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>>>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>>>
>>> No doubt desktop Linux can work quickly on older hardware - more
>>> than the competition.  Sadly it does not offer a better experience,
>>
>> Which is another lie because you have claimed that you don't own much
>> hardware and therefore you don't know the answer to owning a lot
>> of Linux machines.
>>
> 
> Oh my dear, not again!!!!!!!!!!
> 10 years ago it was quite common knowledge that "Linux made you stupid"
> (as confirmed by Peter Kohlmann), maybe gay as well (as confirmed by Marti
> van Lin).
> Today we have another one: "LINUX MAKES YOU MAD" (as confirmed by Joseph
> Michael aka "7": Message-ID: <9cjcs.414419$1R2.235817@fx07.am4>)


But you said you castrated yourself for Linux!!
Isn't that why you have a fixation for tampons and
isn't that a number 1 reason to put yourself at the top
of this exclusive list of yours?


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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 9:40:00 PM

Snit wrote:


>>> Boring trolling from you.  Yawn.
>>  
>> More lies from you snit to pad out your other lies snit.
> 
> It is not a lie to note your trolling is boring.  It is.

Isn't that a lie as well Snit?

You are not bored you just want to escape your lies about not
knowing anything about computing and being found out.

As you admitted yourself,
you have limited hardware (one computer?) and that
in no is a good excuse for all the lies you printed
and passing yourself off as knowledgeable when if fact you
were trolling and lying through your teeth to cover up
your limited knowledge and huge gaps in understanding technology.

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 9:59:39 PM

Bah, this is bull shit, noob flaming about how great his new Ubuntu 
desktop is...
I don't have anything against Ubuntu, it's just that I get pissed of at 
kiddies who brag about knowing C/C++ despite the fact they didn't 
commit a line of code to any project (I'm not even talking about 
kernel), and misguided stuff about Linux being great for all purposes.

Heck even Linus says Linux desktop (both KDE and Gnome based, I'm not 
counting awesome and Mate and others, just the "mainstream" ones) 
sucks… If you're not an enthusiast, it would be better to go for Apple 
or M$ OS…

If you were so knowledgable as you say, you'd figure out that it is as 
somebody said "just a tool". And you wouldn't be emotional about it… 
Sure you have your stuff on Linux and don't need or want to use 
anything else… Go into a bigger company, and you'll find they use 
whatever does the job right, or due to vendor lockin, whatever they 
have to. You didn't hear of a company that runs old Office on Linux 
just because they have an aversion to Windows… Open Office is great, 
but if you have massive Excel files with lots of formulas it's not so 
great… Hence Windows...

Or what would you say that a client comes to you and says, well, we 
have this web and we want to redo it… But it must be in ASP.NET, 
because we already have an infrastructure for that… Would you say to 
them, well, you are idiots for using Windows, and you can fuck off? Or 
would you install a Win devel environment and do the stuff?

Singlemindedness is a sign of inferior knowledge and inexperience… 


--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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Reply mormy (1) 10/7/2012 10:07:49 PM

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 19:03:11 +0200, Ian Hilliard wrote:

> I guess that that could be one reason for using Linux. As for me, I use
> Linux because it is more reliable than Windows and more flexible than
> OSX. I have a friend, who tried porting OSX to an MSI Wind U100 and it
> was dead slow. OSX uses a lot more CPU power than the little Atom
> processor is able to give. On Linux the netbook is a great little
> workhorse.
> 
> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor, but
> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
> 
> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
> Linux Mint such a great operating system.

I'll second that. I use Linux Mint 13 Mate on both my desktop and laptop 
-- these computers were first made in 2003 and 2004 (Optiplex GX270 and 
Latitude D400). Windows 7 simply wouldn't support the hardware -- and when 
I use to dual-boot XP on the laptop, at least since SP3, it was dog slow 
and thrashed the drive constantly.  

-- 
RonB
Using Linux Mint Mate 13
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Reply ronb02noSPAM (7426) 10/7/2012 10:16:58 PM

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:07:49 +0200, mormy wrote:

> Singlemindedness is a sign of inferior knowledge

You really *don't* have a life, do you?

Single-mindedness is the sign of a trolling crank. Take a bow.

-- 
RonB
Using Linux Mint Mate 13
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Reply ronb02noSPAM (7426) 10/7/2012 10:18:58 PM

After swilling some grog, Ian Hilliard belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 06/10/12 23:22, 7 wrote:
>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>
>> You can do anything.
>>
>> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.
>>
> I guess that that could be one reason for using Linux. As for me, I use 
> Linux because it is more reliable than Windows and more flexible than 
> OSX. I have a friend, who tried porting OSX to an MSI Wind U100 and it 
> was dead slow. OSX uses a lot more CPU power than the little Atom 
> processor is able to give. On Linux the netbook is a great little workhorse.
>
> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine 
> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor, but 
> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little 
> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>
> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular 
> Linux Mint such a great operating system.

And also Debian and Gentoo.

In all of its forms, Linux is simply -- to use a Bill Gates phrase --
cool.

Cool.

-- 
Chuck Norris can win a game of Trivial Pursuit with one roll of the
dice, and without answering a single question... just a nod of the head,
and a stroke of the beard. 
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Reply admin45 (1212) 10/7/2012 10:49:42 PM

After swilling some grog, mormy belched this bit o' wisdom:

> Singlemindedness is a sign of inferior knowledge and inexperience… 

Too bad you can't see it in yourself.

-- 
We were so poor that we thought new clothes meant someone had died.
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Reply admin45 (1212) 10/7/2012 10:52:09 PM

mormy wrote:

> > Bah, this is bull shit, noob flaming 
...
> it would be better to go for Apple
> or M$ OS…


What lies a whole bunch of trolls using nyms have to go through
to get their lies into print.

Here troll - more of the same to read again:


Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
------------------------------------------------

The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.

You can do anything.

You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.

In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual 
machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
to know your command like the back of your hand,
you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.

Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.

The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.

There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 10:55:06 PM

Snit wrote:



>>>> I do not have that problem on OS X.
>>> 
>>> That is true.. the problems *you* have are not related to your choice of
>>> operating system. They all have to do with the fact you're a trolling
>>> loonball.
>> 
>> Jesus, just about everybody in this newsgroup is a trolling loonball.
>> 
>> Except for you, me, Greg, a few others, they're mad as hatters.
>> Spending hours here lying and railing against an operating system they
>> despise, an OS they claim is crap, isn't going anywhere, is a niche
>> "product", is amateur hobbyware.  It's nuts.
>> 
>> Proven nutters:
>> 
>>    -hh
>>    Snit
>>    Ezekiel
>>    DFS
>>    Hadron
>>    The various "dutch" trolls
>>    The nymshifter whose posts have hanging indents like Rex's posts
>>    The various Flounder nyms
>> 
>> Jesus, what a crew of sociopathic misfits.
> 
> See how you lash out.  In any case, if you think I have lied then *quote*
> the lies and *support* your accusation.
> 
> But you will not.


Isn't that more of your lies Snit?

Your limited knowledge of computers and the limited hardware you admit
to having (one computer?) limits your understanding of all the
information that has been given to you as it goes over your head and then
to cover up that you end up trolling and lying and then lying again to 
troll.

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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 11:17:59 PM

Snit wrote:

>>> I do not have that problem on OS X.
>> 
>> That is true..
> 
> Absolutely.


What more lies again Snit?
You moaned about Appil crap more often than the other trolls!
With your limited knowledge of computers and your limited
ownership of hardware (one computer?) you don't know
or remember anything about your previous trolls and then
you use lies to fill all the gaps in your knowledge.


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Reply email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com (5067) 10/7/2012 11:20:34 PM

On 10/6/2012 10:43 PM, owl wrote:


> I like the creative way 7 uses the language.  Big Steel has a similar
> talent on the Wintard side.


They're both slightly mentally-retarded.


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Reply nospam2091 (10004) 10/8/2012 3:02:07 AM

On 10/7/2012 7:17 PM, 7 wrote:


> Isn't that more of your lies Snit?
>
> Your limited knowledge of computers and the limited hardware you admit
> to having (one computer?) limits your understanding of all the
> information that has been given to you as it goes over your head and then
> to cover up that you end up trolling and lying and then lying again to
> troll.


According to your description, you and Snit are very much alike.




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Reply nospam2091 (10004) 10/8/2012 3:11:59 AM

On 10/7/2012 6:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Ian Hilliard belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 06/10/12 23:22, 7 wrote:
>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>
>>> You can do anything.
>>>
>>> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.
>>>
>> I guess that that could be one reason for using Linux. As for me, I use
>> Linux because it is more reliable than Windows and more flexible than
>> OSX. I have a friend, who tried porting OSX to an MSI Wind U100 and it
>> was dead slow. OSX uses a lot more CPU power than the little Atom
>> processor is able to give. On Linux the netbook is a great little workhorse.
>>
>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
>> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor, but
>> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
>> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>>
>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>
> And also Debian and Gentoo.
>
> In all of its forms, Linux is simply -- to use a Bill Gates phrase --
> cool.
>
> Cool.


Creepy, I notice you didn't explain why Linux is *cool*.

Because you can't.

Because it's not.  In reality, it's VERY uncool - it's very geeky and 
sloppy and homemade and untested and amateurish.  That's why hardly 
anyone uses it by choice.

Fact.






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Reply nospam2091 (10004) 10/8/2012 3:16:07 AM

On 10/7/2012 6:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Ian Hilliard belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 06/10/12 23:22, 7 wrote:
>>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>>
>>> You can do anything.
>>>
>>> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.
>>>
>> I guess that that could be one reason for using Linux. As for me, I use
>> Linux because it is more reliable than Windows and more flexible than
>> OSX. I have a friend, who tried porting OSX to an MSI Wind U100 and it
>> was dead slow. OSX uses a lot more CPU power than the little Atom
>> processor is able to give. On Linux the netbook is a great little workhorse.
>>
>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
>> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor, but
>> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
>> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>>
>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>
> And also Debian and Gentoo.
>
> In all of its forms, Linux is simply -- to use a Bill Gates phrase --
> cool.
>
> Cool.




Creepy, I notice you didn't explain why Linux is *cool*.

Because you can't.

Because it's not.  In reality, it's VERY uncool - it's very geeky and 
sloppy and homemade and untested and amateurish.  That's why hardly 
anyone uses it by choice.

And the geeks that do use it are old and musty Windows developers like you.

Facts.


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Reply nospam2091 (10004) 10/8/2012 3:18:55 AM

On 10/7/12 8:11 PM, in article k4tga0$esv$1@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 10/7/2012 7:17 PM, 7 wrote:
> 
> 
>> Isn't that more of your lies Snit?
>> 
>> Your limited knowledge of computers and the limited hardware you admit
>> to having (one computer?) limits your understanding of all the
>> information that has been given to you as it goes over your head and then
>> to cover up that you end up trolling and lying and then lying again to
>> troll.
> 
> 
> According to your description, you and Snit are very much alike.

But his description does not apply to me.

I do not have only one computer.  I have more, but the number of computers
you own is an idiotic bragging point and has nothing to do with anything of
relevance.  So 7 is wrong on that 2 times.

Additionally 7 accuses me of lying but fails to find a single example.


-- 
<http://goo.gl/uFKQS>
15 points Foster and his farm of loonies will *always* run from... and
absolute proof they know their accusations are false.


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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/8/2012 4:14:01 AM

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:16:07 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> On 10/7/2012 6:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> > After swilling some grog, Ian Hilliard belched this bit o' wisdom:
> >
> >> On 06/10/12 23:22, 7 wrote:
> >>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
> >>> ------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
> >>>
> >>> You can do anything.
> >>>
> >>> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux 
inside out.
> >>>
> >> I guess that that could be one reason for using Linux. As for 
me, I use
> >> Linux because it is more reliable than Windows and more flexible 
than
> >> OSX. I have a friend, who tried porting OSX to an MSI Wind U100 
and it
> >> was dead slow. OSX uses a lot more CPU power than the little Atom
> >> processor is able to give. On Linux the netbook is a great 
little workhorse.
> >>
> >> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The 
machine
> >> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the 
monitor, but
> >> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
> >> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
> >>
> >> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in 
particular
> >> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
> >
> > And also Debian and Gentoo.
> >
> > In all of its forms, Linux is simply -- to use a Bill Gates 
phrase --
> > cool.
> >
> > Cool.




> Creepy, I notice you didn't explain why Linux is *cool*.


> Because you can't.


> Because it's not.  In reality, it's VERY uncool - it's very geeky 
and 
> sloppy and homemade and untested and amateurish.  That's why hardly 
> anyone uses it by choice.


> Fact.

One thing is certain: MESSWindows is very _un_cool. Not because it's 
geeky, but because your grandfather uses it. :0

-- 
Terry
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Reply badass.superman (52) 10/8/2012 6:42:42 AM

On Oct 8, 2:42=A0am, Rockinghorse Winner <badass.super...@gmx.com>
wrote:
> [...]
> > On 10/7/2012 6:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> > >
> > > In all of its forms, Linux is simply -- to use a Bill Gates
> > > phrase --  cool.
>
> > [...]
>
> One thing is certain: MESSWindows is very _un_cool. Not because it's
> geeky, but because your grandfather uses it. :0

As per Bill Gates, Windows is "Cool".
And in the same exact way, so too is Linux.

Which is precisely what Linux has going against it, and yet these
pentagenarian Bill Gates wannabes can't grok this anymore than they
can't understand why car geeks never drooled with envy when they
clunked past in their  1980s Ford Fiesta/Dodge Omni.


-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/8/2012 9:22:42 AM

After swilling some grog, Rockinghorse Winner belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:16:07 -0400, the chimp DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 10/7/2012 6:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>> > Cool.
>
>> Because it's not.  In reality, it's VERY uncool - it's very geeky and 
>> sloppy and homemade and untested and amateurish.  That's why hardly 
>> anyone uses it by choice.

Bullshit.

Millions of people use Linux, by choice.

The rest use it unknowingly in their TV's, networked hard drives, cell
phones, picture frames, public kiosks (Lowe's still uses Linux in its
stores), etc.

> One thing is certain: MESSWindows is very _un_cool. Not because it's 
> geeky, but because your grandfather uses it. :0

Windows has its geeky, sloppy, homemade, untested, and amateurish
software as well.

The best stuff in the Linux world is more than on par with the best
stuff in the Windows world (hint:  MS Office is far from the best stuff
in the Windows world).

Why else would so many companies leverage various software packages from
the world of Linux?

Not so much because it is free (most companies don't mind paying
licensing costs if they feel they need to), but because it is
well-written, tested, professional, and mostly *fast*.

When's the last time you got a software package from Microsoft that came
with self-tests?  In the GNU/Linux world, most of the source packages
you get come with self-tests. 

-- 
	Young men and young women may work systematically six days in the
week and rise fresh in the morning, but let them attend modern dances for
only a few hours each evening and see what happens.  The Waltz, Polka,
Gallop and other dances of the same kind will be disastrous in their effects
to both sexes.  Health and vigor will vanish like the dew before the sun.
	It is not the extraordinary exercise which harms the dancer, but
rather the coming into close contact with the opposite sex.  It is the
fury of lust craving incessantly for more pleasure that undermines the
soul, the body, the sinews and nerves.  Experience and statistics show
beyond doubt that passionate excessive dancing girls can hardly reach
twenty-five years of age and men thirty-one.  Even if they reached that
age they will in most instances be broken in health physically and morally.
This is the claim of prominent physicians in this country.
		-- Quote from a 1910 periodical
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Reply admin45 (1212) 10/8/2012 10:47:14 AM

Bubbles The Clown wrote:

>I don't need to 

*plonk*

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Reply chrisv (22841) 10/8/2012 12:50:36 PM

mormy wrote:

>If you were so knowledgable as you say, you'd figure out that it is as 
>somebody said "just a tool". And you wouldn't be emotional about it

It can be looked at as "just a tool".  However, there are issues of
freedom and consumer choice, also.  FOSS is extremely important to our
world.

-- 
'He thinks "open" means bug free.'  -  Hadron Quark, lying shamelessly
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Reply chrisv (22841) 10/8/2012 12:55:56 PM

On 2012-10-08, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> mormy wrote:
>
>>If you were so knowledgable as you say, you'd figure out that it is as 
>>somebody said "just a tool". And you wouldn't be emotional about it
>
> It can be looked at as "just a tool".  However, there are issues of
> freedom and consumer choice, also.  FOSS is extremely important to our
> world.

   The freedom to use whatever "product" you like is taken for granted in
any other area. Even when it comes to brands of trucks and footbal teams,
you are entirely at liberty to change your affiliation at will.

   That doesn't quite exist with software and those that are forced to use
SHIT against their will understandably tend to get a little cranky.

   The latest inevitable thing in computing doesn't seem that inevitable 
any more and that's a very good thing. The same goes for the previous
apparently inevitable thing. 

   I should not be a victim of your bad taste.

-- 
	Sophocles wants his cut.                                |||
                                                               / | \
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Reply jedi (14754) 10/8/2012 5:38:43 PM

After swilling some grog, JEDIDIAH belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2012-10-08, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> mormy wrote:
>>
>>>If you were so knowledgable as you say, you'd figure out that it is as 
>>>somebody said "just a tool". And you wouldn't be emotional about it
>>
>> It can be looked at as "just a tool".  However, there are issues of
>> freedom and consumer choice, also.  FOSS is extremely important to our
>> world.
>
>    The freedom to use whatever "product" you like is taken for granted in
> any other area. Even when it comes to brands of trucks and footbal teams,
> you are entirely at liberty to change your affiliation at will.
>
>    That doesn't quite exist with software and those that are forced to use
> SHIT against their will understandably tend to get a little cranky.

Amen to that.

-- 
Carswell's Corollary:
	Whenever man comes up with a better mousetrap,
	nature invariably comes up with a better mouse.
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Reply admin45 (1212) 10/8/2012 7:11:57 PM

On Oct 8, 6:47=A0am, Chris Ahlstrom <ad...@cyberbully.com> wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Rockinghorse Winner belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
> > On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:16:07 -0400, the chimp DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrot=
e:
> >> On 10/7/2012 6:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> >> > Cool.
>
> >> Because it's not. =A0In reality, it's VERY uncool - it's very geeky an=
d
> >> sloppy and homemade and untested and amateurish. =A0That's why hardly
> >> anyone uses it by choice.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> Millions of people use Linux, by choice.

Some do, sure.

> The rest use it unknowingly in their TV's, networked hard drives, cell
> phones, picture frames, public kiosks (Lowe's still uses Linux in its
> stores), etc.

And these people measure in the billions, vastly outnumbering the ones
above.  YMMV by what ratio, but probably 20:1 if not higher.

The implications of this is that consumers overwhelmingly buy systems
and aren't particularly concerned with the minutia contained within.
This also means that the vast majority of those "tons of activations
per day" claims aren't really based upon a specific product
differentiation choice made that was pro-Linux, but was based on the
overall product as an integrated sum of its parts.

> > One thing is certain: MESSWindows is very _un_cool. Not because it's
> > geeky, but because your grandfather uses it. :0
>
> Windows has its geeky, sloppy, homemade, untested, and amateurish
> software as well.

True, but that's a "grasp at straws" form of rationalization attempt,
not unlike the current nonsense regarding US Voter ID Laws:  the
scientific studies have found that the incidence rate of illegal votes
is approximately 0.0009% of votes, which pales in comparison to the
non-voting percentage of registered voters of 48% ... the implications
are that statistically speaking, there's one fraudulent vote for every
25,000 registered voters who don't bother to go to the polls to
vote.


> The best stuff in the Linux world is more than on par with the best
> stuff in the Windows world (hint: =A0MS Office is far from the best stuff
> in the Windows world).

Except for allegedly "rare" exceptions, such as GIMP vs
Photoshop...right?


> Why else would so many companies leverage various software packages from
> the world of Linux?

Oh, so then I can buy a copy of MS-Office for Linux OS?   And Adobe's
stuff too?


> Not so much because it is free (most companies don't mind paying
> licensing costs if they feel they need to), but because it is
> well-written, tested, professional, and mostly *fast*.

Until we go and look at GIMP again and its capability gaps versus
Adobe's products.


> When's the last time you got a software package from Microsoft that came
> with self-tests? =A0In the GNU/Linux world, most of the source packages
> you get come with self-tests.

Apparently, that 'feature' is present because they need it more.


-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/8/2012 11:20:32 PM

On 2012-10-08, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
> On Oct 8, 6:47 am, Chris Ahlstrom <ad...@cyberbully.com> wrote:
>> After swilling some grog, Rockinghorse Winner belched this bit o'
>> wisdom:
>> > On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:16:07 -0400, the chimp DFS
>> > <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>> >> On 10/7/2012 6:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>> >> > Cool.
>>
>> >> Because it's not.  In reality, it's VERY uncool - it's very
>> >> geeky and sloppy and homemade and untested and amateurish.
>> >>  That's why hardly anyone uses it by choice.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>> Millions of people use Linux, by choice.
>
> Some do, sure.

No, not "some". Literally *millions*. Let's say at least somewhere
between 20 and 40 million to put a number on it. And the vast majority
of those millions of users use it because they *want* to use it, and
not because it happened to be pre-installed on their machine when they
bought it.

That's how it is.

And that's not counting the vast number of GNU/Linux servers out
there, nor is it counting the even vaster number of devices running on
top of the Linux kernel, nor is it counting all the "super computers"
running GNU/Linux.

Considering all that, I think it's not a stretch to say that Linux
might be the most widely used kernel in today's computing landscape.
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Reply tommy.bongaerts (5594) 10/9/2012 11:01:54 AM

TomB wrote:
> On 2012-10-08, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:=20
> > On Oct 8, 6:47=A0am, Chris Ahlstrom <ad...@cyberbully.com> wrote:=20
> > >
> > > Millions of people use Linux, by choice.=20
> >
> > Some do, sure.=20
>
> No, not "some". Literally *millions*.

Yes, it is literally millions - - but to state that without context is misl=
eading.

> Let's say at least somewhere between 20=20
> and 40 million to put a number on it.=20

Sure, and in the context of the desktop PC market, which has an installed b=
ase in the ballpark of 1.5 **Billion**, let's do the math:

40 Million
----------- =3D 0.02666  =3D 2.7%
1.5 Billion

As I said:  "SOME".

> And the vast majority of those millions of users
>  use it because they *want* to use it, and not
> because it happened to be pre-installed on their
> machine when they bought it. That's how it is.

Sure...but they're still outnumbered 36:1 by the consumers who don't.

> And that's not counting the vast number of
> GNU/Linux servers out there, nor is it counting
> the even vaster number of devices running on top
> of the Linux kernel, nor is it counting all
> the "super computers" running GNU/Linux.=20

True, but those are different markets you're trying to mix in, in an attemp=
t to cook the numbers.  If we are seeking impartial objectivity, we will kn=
ow better than to mix oranges -or- apples with pumpkins or tomatoes. =20

> Considering all that, I think it's not a stretch
> to say that Linux might be the most widely used
> kernel in today's computing landscape.

It wouldn't suprise me either, but that's missing my point.  For example, w=
e can similarly conjecture that the vast majority of digital systems in use=
 today are binary (base 2) based: pedantically true, but it fails the "So W=
hat?" test.  My point here is that in many instances where Linux is being u=
sed, it is not overtly manifested itself to the consumer as any of product =
differentiation for product selection.  As such, its presence is effectivel=
y of no concern to said customer:  they're simply considering the product v=
ersus its competition as a holistic **system** with no regard as to its int=
ernal workings. =20

In the market - - and that's IMO most of today's - - suchc specifics of its=
 technology enablers are basically only important to the product developer.=
  The consumer simply cares about price, features, etc...he simply doesn't =
give a damn if his toothbrush has the latest-and-greatest 64bit controller =
chip. =20

-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/9/2012 12:31:50 PM

On 2012-10-09, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
> TomB wrote:

8<

>> No, not "some". Literally *millions*.
>
> Yes, it is literally millions - - but to state that without context
> is misleading.

Stating that "some" use it is equally misleading, dude.

8<

> My point here is that in many instances where Linux is being used,
> it is not overtly manifested itself to the consumer as any of
> product differentiation for product selection. 

"So What" test failed.

8<
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Reply tommy.bongaerts (5594) 10/9/2012 9:17:05 PM

On Oct 9, 5:17=A0pm, TomB <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2012-10-09, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
>
> > TomB wrote:
>
> 8<
>
> >> No, not "some". Literally *millions*.
>
> > Yes, it is literally millions - - but to state that without context
> > is misleading.
>
> Stating that "some" use it is equally misleading, dude.

Hardly, unless you're arguing that since the desktop percentage is at
best 2.7% that the proper adjective would have been "FEW"...

   ...but we both know that that's not the case since you were trying
to inflate perceptions when you chose to say 'millions'.



> 8<
>
> > My point here is that in many instances where Linux is being used,
> > it is not overtly manifested itself to the consumer as any of
> > product differentiation for product selection.
>
> "So What" test failed.

Exactly!

FYI, it isn't that I am against Linux as a technology.  I'm simply
revealing that the 'marketing hype' often associated with Linux is
disingenuous.

Naturally, this isn't anything unique to Linux -- MS, Apple, Google,
Amazon and others also "play loose" with the facts -- but if we're
going to be honest with ourselves, we then have to be ethically
consistent and treat them all the same when it comes down to gaging
their performance by various yardsticks.

So sure, Linux has deployed to 'tens' of millions ... but it is within
the context of Apple deploying around a hundred million and Windows
well over a billion.  Comparatively speaking, Linux isn't a major
player, and by the same basis, Apple almost isn't either.


-hh

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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/10/2012 7:24:11 AM

TomB wrote:

> lying asshole "-hh" wrote:
>>
>> My point here is that in many instances where Linux is being used,
>> it is not overtly manifested itself to the consumer as any of
>> product differentiation for product selection. 
>
>"So What" test failed.

It passed the "drunken gibberish" test, though.

-- 
"Unfortunately, the open source nature of Linux tends to attract the
type of persona who somehow believes that all avenues are one-way
streets set up to benefit him (and only him) as the true & deserving
holy center of the universe."  -  lying asshole "-hh"
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Reply chrisv (22841) 10/10/2012 12:25:19 PM

On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:25:20 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:
> TomB wrote:=20
>> lying asshole "-hh" wrote:=20
>>>
>>> My point here is that in many instances where Linux is being used,
>>> it is not overtly manifested itself to the consumer as any of=20
>>> product differentiation for product selection.=20
>>
>> "So What" test failed.=20

Yes, as was detailed in my response to TomB. =20


> It passed the "drunken gibberish" test, though.

Apparently, chrisv is one of COLA's experts on being a drunk.  Frankly, I d=
on't remember the EE's back in college being the problem drinkers.  Perhaps=
 it is in being a Linux advocate which will do that to you... :-)


 -- "Unfortunately, the open source nature of Linux tends to attract the ty=
pe of persona who somehow believes that all avenues are one-way streets set=
 up to benefit him (and only him) as the true & deserving holy center of th=
e universe." - lying asshole "-hh"

Which is still quite true:  the above is YA example of chrisv acting like a=
 spoiled brat of entitlement.  Or should I say "drunken spoiled brat"?  :-)

FWIW, I'll hopefully finally have my body's internal clock adjusted within =
the next few days to be able to skip ~3AM sessions...didn't get any sleep a=
t all on last week's flight home from Hong Kong, despite the layflat seat i=
n First Class...you know, simple stuff that a mere "BSEE" braggart of a spo=
iled brat has invariably never experienced. =20


-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/10/2012 12:48:43 PM

-hh wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:25:20 AM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:
>> TomB wrote:
>>> lying asshole "-hh" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My point here is that in many instances where Linux is being used,
>>>> it is not overtly manifested itself to the consumer as any of
>>>> product differentiation for product selection.
>>>
>>> "So What" test failed.
> 
> Yes, as was detailed in my response to TomB.
> 
> 
>> It passed the "drunken gibberish" test, though.
> 
> Apparently, chrisv is one of COLA's experts on being a drunk.  Frankly, I
> don't remember the EE's back in college being the problem drinkers. 
> Perhaps it is in being a Linux advocate which will do that to you... :-)
> 
> 

Of course.  First they'll pull their hair out trying to solve a linux 
problem, then get drunk to see if that helps, and then rant on COLA.

I believe the linux users are pretty much a bald lot.

>  -- "Unfortunately, the open source nature of Linux tends to attract the
>  type of persona who somehow believes that all avenues are one-way streets
>  set up to benefit him (and only him) as the true & deserving holy center
>  of the universe." - lying asshole "-hh"
> 
> Which is still quite true:  the above is YA example of chrisv acting like
> a spoiled brat of entitlement.  Or should I say "drunken spoiled brat"? 
> :-)
> 

Welfare also does that.  The old adage of "Don't feed the animals" seems to 
still hold true.

> FWIW, I'll hopefully finally have my body's internal clock adjusted within
> the next few days to be able to skip ~3AM sessions...didn't get any sleep
> at all on last week's flight home from Hong Kong, despite the layflat seat
> in First Class...you know, simple stuff that a mere "BSEE" braggart of a
> spoiled brat has invariably never experienced.
> 
> 
> -hh

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Reply mist (19747) 10/10/2012 6:16:26 PM

Verily I say unto thee that 7 spake thusly:
> Why I use Linux over competing operating 
> systems
> ------------------------------------------------
> 
> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is 
> quite simply geeky.

I use Linux primarily because I refuse to use any software that 
doesn't provide corresponding sources and the freedom to use, modify 
and redistribute it. Without those sources and Free licenses, I 
simply wouldn't be able to use much of my hardware, which in some 
cases is just too slow to run Windows, and in other cases is not even 
architecturally compatible with it, including components for which 
there are no longer any proprietary drivers at all.

I use Linux on everything from my TV and an ancient 533MHz server, to 
a smartphone and a quad-core, 64-bit, 2.9GHz entertainment system, 
the latter of which would be grossly underutilised by Windows, due to 
a death of 64-bit and SMP Windows software, and none of the former 
could run Windows even if I wanted it to, which I don't.

The fact is proprietary software is of absolutely no use to me 
whatsoever, and even if it was I certainly wouldn't go to gangsters 
like Microsoft and Apple for it.

-- 
K.
http://slated.org
Android X-Bean 2.0 (JB 4.1.1, AOSP/CM10)
Kernel 3.0.45-Semaphore_JB_2.3.0
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Reply usenet3690 (8698) 10/11/2012 6:03:34 AM

On Oct 11, 2:03=A0am, Homer <use...@slated.org> wrote:
>
> I use Linux primarily because I refuse to use any software that
> doesn't provide corresponding sources and the freedom to use, modify
> and redistribute it.

Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim.  That's your prerogative, but what
you need to do to make sure that people understand that you're making
this decision based on the principles of FOSS is to clearly state that
you choose to run FOSS over even technically superior non-FOSS
products.


> Without those sources and Free licenses, I
> simply wouldn't be able to use much of my hardware, which in some
> cases is just too slow to run Windows, and in other cases is not even
> architecturally compatible with it, including components for which
> there are no longer any proprietary drivers at all.

Ah, the 'Buying new hardware isn't in the cards', which is an obscured
"Poverty" claim.  It similarly is your prerogative too in terms of how
to prioritize spending your limited resources, as well as simply being
a skinflint.  Of course, the question of the wisdom of these personal
priority decisions gets invoked when one happens to also have
accumulated 10,000 posts on USENET in less than 5 years.  It is more
honest to just say outright that you're a cheapskate and that this is
a compromise that you've chosen to make.


> I use Linux on everything from my TV and an ancient 533MHz server, to
> a smartphone and a quad-core, 64-bit, 2.9GHz entertainment system,
> the latter of which would be grossly underutilised by Windows, due to
> a death of 64-bit and SMP Windows software, and none of the former
> could run Windows even if I wanted it to, which I don't.

A 64-bit quad core 2.9GHz system?  So much for the prior inferences of
poverty, or being a skinflint.  Ditto for the smartphone, since they
typically cost $100/month to keep on contract.  With these claims
invalidated, it simply comes back to the 'FOSS Principle' point, even
when this results in knowingly choosing to use technically inferior
products.

> The fact is proprietary software is of absolutely no use to me
> whatsoever, and even if it was I certainly wouldn't go to gangsters
> like Microsoft and Apple for it.

And yet you have sold your eyeballs & soul to Google.  Check!



-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/11/2012 7:54:09 AM

Homer <usenet@slated.org> writes:

> Verily I say unto thee that 7 spake thusly:
>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>
> I use Linux primarily because I refuse to use any software that doesn't provide
> corresponding sources and the freedom to use, modify and redistribute
> it. Without those sources and Free licenses, I simply wouldn't be able to use
> much of my hardware, which in some cases is just too slow to run Windows, and in
> other cases is not even architecturally compatible with it, including components
> for which there are no longer any proprietary drivers at all.

You wont mind posting all the patches you submit to make the code work
with your ancient crappy HW then will you? Or are you too busy
completing the Munich Migration you fatuous bighead you?

Noone believes ANY of your boasts anymore.

-- 
A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to pretend to be a Linux 
user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0), User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
(Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM0ACfdRVn-hw@comcast.com>
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Reply hadronquark (21814) 10/11/2012 8:36:57 AM

After swilling some grog, Homer belched this bit o' wisdom:

> I use Linux primarily because I refuse to use any software that 
> doesn't provide corresponding sources and the freedom to use, modify 
> and redistribute it. Without those sources and Free licenses, I 
> simply wouldn't be able to use much of my hardware, which in some 
> cases is just too slow to run Windows, and in other cases is not even 
> architecturally compatible with it, including components for which 
> there are no longer any proprietary drivers at all.
>
> I use Linux on everything from my TV and an ancient 533MHz server, to 
> a smartphone and a quad-core, 64-bit, 2.9GHz entertainment system, 
> the latter of which would be grossly underutilised by Windows, due to 
> a death of 64-bit and SMP Windows software, and none of the former 
> could run Windows even if I wanted it to, which I don't.
>
> The fact is proprietary software is of absolutely no use to me 
> whatsoever, and even if it was I certainly wouldn't go to gangsters 
> like Microsoft and Apple for it.

Speaking of which...

   http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/10/apple-after-steve-jobs.html

-- 
 > Tut mir Leid, Jost, aber Du bist ein unertraeglicher Troll.
 Was soll das? Du *beleidigst* die Trolle!
	-- de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc
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Reply admin45 (1212) 10/11/2012 10:40:14 AM

On 2012-10-11, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> On Oct 11, 2:03 am, Homer <use...@slated.org> wrote:
>>
>> I use Linux primarily because I refuse to use any software that
>> doesn't provide corresponding sources and the freedom to use, modify
>> and redistribute it.
>
> Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim.  That's your prerogative, but what
> you need to do to make sure that people understand that you're making
> this decision based on the principles of FOSS is to clearly state that
> you choose to run FOSS over even technically superior non-FOSS
> products.

    It's not quite so simple as that. The open approach of Linux and Unix
in general means that you have less mindless group think to worry about
when solving a problem. You don't have to worry about having bad tools
forced on you. You don't have to have your requirements belittled. You
don't have to worry about being slandered yourself for doing something
that is a little creative.

[deletia]

    Solutions that aren't engineered with the assumption that the end 
user is a total moron tend to be more technically correct. Some people
are discriminating enough to notice the difference.

    Although most probably aren't. 

    It's kind of like "Billions and Billions" served.

-- 

    I want the option of leaving Wally World some time.
                                                                      |||
    That's what distinguishes a real Apple.                          / | \
    You can leave Wally World if you want.
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Reply jedi (14754) 10/11/2012 5:09:44 PM

JEDIDIAH wrote:

> lying asshole "-hh" wrote:
>>
>> Homer <use...@slated.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I use Linux primarily because I refuse to use any software that
>>> doesn't provide corresponding sources and the freedom to use, modify
>>> and redistribute it.
>>
>> Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim.  That's your prerogative, but what
>> you need to do to make sure that people understand that you're making
>> this decision based on the principles of FOSS is to clearly state that
>> you choose to run FOSS over even technically superior non-FOSS
>> products.

STFU, "-hh".  It's not just "the principle".

Homer went-on to explain how having the sources makes it technically
superior:

>> Without those sources and Free licenses, I 
>> simply wouldn't be able to use much of my hardware, which in some 
>> cases is just too slow to run Windows, and in other cases is not even 
>> architecturally compatible with it, including components for which 
>> there are no longer any proprietary drivers at all.

and even if he hadn't, there was no implication that he was giving-up
anything, technically, to the non-FOSS products.

You lying asshole.

-- 
'It's why he is so routinely mocked by "advocate" and "wintroll"
alike.'  -  Hadron Quark, lying shamelessly
0
Reply chrisv (22841) 10/11/2012 6:15:33 PM

On 10/11/12 11:15 AM, in article mo2e78pdh5m8efkqlvpfohgfdi8utu0uu3@4ax.com,
"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> JEDIDIAH wrote:
> 
>> lying asshole "-hh" wrote:
>>> 
>>> Homer <use...@slated.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I use Linux primarily because I refuse to use any software that
>>>> doesn't provide corresponding sources and the freedom to use, modify
>>>> and redistribute it.
>>> 
>>> Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim.  That's your prerogative, but what
>>> you need to do to make sure that people understand that you're making
>>> this decision based on the principles of FOSS is to clearly state that
>>> you choose to run FOSS over even technically superior non-FOSS
>>> products.
> 
> STFU, "-hh".  It's not just "the principle".
> 
> Homer went-on to explain how having the sources makes it technically
> superior:
> 
>>> Without those sources and Free licenses, I
>>> simply wouldn't be able to use much of my hardware, which in some
>>> cases is just too slow to run Windows, and in other cases is not even
>>> architecturally compatible with it, including components for which
>>> there are no longer any proprietary drivers at all.
> 
> and even if he hadn't, there was no implication that he was giving-up
> anything, technically, to the non-FOSS products.
> 
> You lying asshole.

He can speak in terms of principles and his own bizarre twists on theory,
but the *reality* is if you limit yourself to selecting programs based on
excluding those that do not fit your preferred development model you are
*not* focusing primarily on usability, productivity, error reduction, etc.


-- 
"But I have never, ever even run a Linux server and I don't even want
to; it's not what I'm interested in. I'm more of a desktop guy."
-- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/11/2012 6:19:31 PM

(Re-post to correct attribution (>>>))

> lying asshole "-hh" wrote:
>>
>> Homer <use...@slated.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I use Linux primarily because I refuse to use any software that
>>> doesn't provide corresponding sources and the freedom to use, modify
>>> and redistribute it.
>>
>> Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim.  That's your prerogative, but what
>> you need to do to make sure that people understand that you're making
>> this decision based on the principles of FOSS is to clearly state that
>> you choose to run FOSS over even technically superior non-FOSS
>> products.

STFU, "-hh".  It's not just "the principle".

Homer went-on to explain how having the sources makes it technically
superior:

>>> Without those sources and Free licenses, I 
>>> simply wouldn't be able to use much of my hardware, which in some 
>>> cases is just too slow to run Windows, and in other cases is not even 
>>> architecturally compatible with it, including components for which 
>>> there are no longer any proprietary drivers at all.

and even if he hadn't, there was no implication that he was giving-up
anything, technically, to the non-FOSS products.

You lying asshole.

-- 
'It's why he is so routinely mocked by "advocate" and "wintroll"
alike.'  -  Hadron Quark, lying shamelessly
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Reply chrisv (22841) 10/11/2012 6:22:01 PM

Brainless Sheeple -hh wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim.  That's your 
>> prerogative, but what you need to do to 
>> make sure that people understand that 
>> you're making this decision based on the 
>> principles of FOSS is to clearly state that
>> you choose to run FOSS over even 
>> technically superior non-FOSS products.

What exactly is “technically superior" about “can't run on my 
hardware"?

Idiot.

Most proprietary garbage I've encountered is about as technically 
/inferior/ as it gets, even when it does support my hardware.

-- 
K.
http://slated.org
Android X-Bean 2.0 (JB 4.1.1, AOSP/CM10)
Kernel 3.0.45-Semaphore_JB_2.3.0
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Reply usenet3690 (8698) 10/11/2012 7:03:36 PM

On Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:34:05 PM UTC-4, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> [...]
> It's not quite so simple as that.

Of course it isn't.  Such discussions are invariably high level and subject to simplifying generalizations.

> The open approach of Linux and Unix in general ..

See, there's a generalization statement right there.

> ...means that you have less mindless group
> think to worry about when solving a problem. 
> You don't have to worry about having bad tools
> forced on you. You don't have to have your
> requirements belittled. You don't have to 
> worry about being slandered yourself for doing
> something that is a little creative. [deletia]

Sure, but the trade-off is that all of these 'advantages' only come about because you're able to "GO IT ALONE" which means that you have to be willing to spend your own development money to create whatever it is that you desire.  

The blunt reality is that there's no such thing as a free lunch, regardless of any constant aversions to acknowledging reality:  if you want new feature X, sure, you can do it - - but you're going to have to pay for it.  

> Solutions that aren't engineered with the 
> assumption that the end user is a total moron
> tend to be more technically correct.

Yes, and I've used (and maintained/documented/etc) applications that were develped with just that design philosophy - - sure, they can be quite powerful, but they also incur the costs of having a longer and more rigorous learning curve.  

In an ideal world, we would have the best of both worlds, but the reality is that trying to accomplish that costs even more to develop.  

> Some people are discriminating enough to notice the difference. 

Yup (and BTW, this is another generalization).


-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/11/2012 7:20:03 PM

On Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:15:33 PM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:
> 
> STFU, "-hh".

You can't make me, little 'BSEE' man.  You hide behind the skirts of an alleged killfile to try to sling lame little insults...the signs of a waker and loser.


> It's not just "the principle".

Sure it is.

>  Homer went-on to explain how having the
> sources makes it technically superior: [...]

Incorrect.  Homer made claims and provided no substantiation of specifics of his alleged use case(s). 


> and even if he ....

A conditional statement which is speculative.  


> ...[he] hadn't, there was no implication 
> that he was giving-up anything, technically,
> to the non-FOSS products. 

By making such a claim, you show the world that you're utterly inept in basic High School level Set Theory.

To briefly educate you, grok the following:

a) FOSS software is a subset of all software.  
Call this set [F].

b) Commercial software is a subset of all software.  
And this is set [C].

In terms of technological opportunites and flexibility, the set of {[F]+[C]} is greater than set [F]

> You lying asshole. 

Oh, golly gee! My delicate little feelings are soooo hurt!  :-)



-hh

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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/11/2012 7:31:28 PM

On Thursday, October 11, 2012 3:03:39 PM UTC-4, Homer wrote:
> Brainless Sheeple -hh wrote:=20
>>=20
>> Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim. That's your=20
>> prerogative, but what you need to do to=20
>> make sure that people understand that=20
>> you're making this decision based on the=20
>> principles of FOSS is to clearly state that=20
>> you choose to run FOSS over even=20
>> technically superior non-FOSS products.
>
> What exactly is =93technically superior" about =93can't run on my hardwar=
e"?

"When the wise man points out to the moon, only a fool looks at the finger.=
"

Perhaps when you provide the specifics to substantiate your claims, you'll =
start to understand the BS that you're trying to sling, Homer. =20

-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/11/2012 7:34:48 PM

On 2012-10-11, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:34:05 PM UTC-4, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> [...]
>> It's not quite so simple as that.
>
> Of course it isn't.  Such discussions are invariably high level and subject to simplifying generalizations.
>
>> The open approach of Linux and Unix in general ..
>
> See, there's a generalization statement right there.
>
>> ...means that you have less mindless group
>> think to worry about when solving a problem. 
>> You don't have to worry about having bad tools
>> forced on you. You don't have to have your
>> requirements belittled. You don't have to 
>> worry about being slandered yourself for doing
>> something that is a little creative. [deletia]
>
> Sure, but the trade-off is that all of these 'advantages' only come about because you're able to "GO IT ALONE" 

    Nope. Platforms other than MacOS have plenty of ready made tools
that will easily allow you to do things that fanboys like you will 
try to shout down.

[deletia]

    You are trying to sell a false dichotomy to people that simply know better.

    Flexibility and modularity don't require any compromises in terms of 
usability. In fact, what you can gain from automation can easily make the
more open option MORE usable rather than less.

    This is part of the whole "just working" thing.

-- 

    I want the option of leaving Wally World some time.
                                                                      |||
    That's what distinguishes a real Apple.                          / | \
    You can leave Wally World if you want.
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Reply jedi (14754) 10/11/2012 8:41:26 PM

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:03:36 +0100, Homer wrote:

> Brainless Sheeple -hh wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim.  That's your prerogative, but what
>>> you need to do to make sure that people understand that you're making
>>> this decision based on the principles of FOSS is to clearly state that
>>> you choose to run FOSS over even technically superior non-FOSS
>>> products.
> 
> What exactly is “technically superior" about “can't run on my hardware"?
> 
> Idiot.
> 
> Most proprietary garbage I've encountered is about as technically
> /inferior/ as it gets, even when it does support my hardware.

Ah, but it does has superior malware attracting features. Maybe WinTrolls 
actually *like* malware?

-- 
RonB
Using Linux Mint Mate 13
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Reply ronb02noSPAM (7426) 10/11/2012 8:41:36 PM

Homer wrote:

>> Brainless Sheeple -hh wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim.  That's your 
>>> prerogative, but what you need to do to 
>>> make sure that people understand that 
>>> you're making this decision based on the 
>>> principles of FOSS is to clearly state that
>>> you choose to run FOSS over even 
>>> technically superior non-FOSS products.
>
>What exactly is �technically superior" about �can't run on my 
>hardware"?
>
>Idiot.
>
>Most proprietary garbage I've encountered is about as technically 
>/inferior/ as it gets, even when it does support my hardware.

Indeed their is *no question* that GNU/Linux is technically superior
to the mainstream alternatives, *especially* from an expert's POV!

It takes a genuine fool, a ridiculous jackass, like "-hh", to make
leaps of "logic" like he did, above.

-- 
'Chrisv was basically whining about things having "too much"
maintenance, which essentially was an assertion that he wants
everything to be maintenance free...'  -  asshole "-hh", lying
shamelessly
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Reply chrisv (22841) 10/11/2012 8:50:40 PM

Verily I say unto thee that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>
>    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/10/apple-after-steve-jobs.html

Oh, it was the one-year anniversary and I never even noticed.

Did they hold a midnight candle-lit vigil and leave fruity snacks in
shop doorways, like last year, or have the iCultists forgotten their
narcissistic anti-hero already?

-- 
K.                           | "You see? You cannot kill me. There is no flesh
http://slated.org            |  and blood within this cloak to kill. There is
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on šky   |  only an idea. And ideas are bulletproof."
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 46 days  |    ~ V for Vendetta.
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Reply usenet3690 (8698) 10/11/2012 9:13:39 PM

On 10/11/12 2:13 PM, in article 3dpjk9-inf.ln1@sky.matrix, "Homer"
<usenet@slated.org> wrote:

> Verily I say unto thee that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>> 
>>    
>> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/10/apple-after-steve-jobs.
>> html
> 
> Oh, it was the one-year anniversary and I never even noticed.

Why would you? I would not have thought of it had I not seen it in the news.

> Did they hold a midnight candle-lit vigil and leave fruity snacks in
> shop doorways, like last year, or have the iCultists forgotten their
> narcissistic anti-hero already?

Apple remembered a man who made a big difference to their lives and many
more. Nothing wrong with that.


-- 
"90% of computers use Microsoft's Windows ... Macs account for 9% of the
market while the open source system Linux accounts for 0.8%."
-- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/11/2012 9:23:05 PM

On 2012-10-11, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> claimed:

> Ah, but it does has superior malware attracting features. Maybe WinTrolls 
> actually *like* malware?

They should. They've had plenty of it to choose from. Should be
something to satisfy every taste or fetish.

-- 
There are 2 ways to handle women and I know neither.
Dell Inspiron 530, Snowlinux 3 Crystal
Friends don't let friends use Windows
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Reply fardblossom (4529) 10/11/2012 11:26:03 PM

-hh wrote:

> On Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:15:33 PM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:
>> 
>> STFU, "-hh".
> 
> You can't make me, little 'BSEE' man.  You hide behind the skirts of an
> alleged killfile to try to sling lame little insults...the signs of a
> waker and loser.
> 
> 
>> It's not just "the principle".
> 
> Sure it is.
> 
>>  Homer went-on to explain how having the
>> sources makes it technically superior: [...]
> 
> Incorrect.  Homer made claims and provided no substantiation of specifics
> of his alleged use case(s).
> 
> 
>> and even if he ....
> 
> A conditional statement which is speculative.
> 
> 
>> ...[he] hadn't, there was no implication
>> that he was giving-up anything, technically,
>> to the non-FOSS products.
> 
> By making such a claim, you show the world that you're utterly inept in
> basic High School level Set Theory.
> 
> To briefly educate you, grok the following:
> 
> a) FOSS software is a subset of all software.
> Call this set [F].
> 
> b) Commercial software is a subset of all software.
> And this is set [C].
> 
> In terms of technological opportunites and flexibility, the set of
> {[F]+[C]} is greater than set [F]
> 
>> You lying asshole.
> 
> Oh, golly gee! My delicate little feelings are soooo hurt!  :-)
> 
> 

I think you lost him when you tried to introduce him to set theory.  :-))
I believe he went to get another drink... made his head hurt.

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Reply mist (19747) 10/12/2012 2:15:42 AM

On Oct 11, 4:50=A0pm, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Homer wrote:
> >> Brainless Sheeple -hh wrote:
>
> >>> Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim. =A0That's your
> >>> prerogative, but what you need to do to
> >>> make sure that people understand that
> >>> you're making this decision based on the
> >>> principles of FOSS is to clearly state that
> >>> you choose to run FOSS over even
> >>> technically superior non-FOSS products.
>
> >What exactly is technically superior" about can't run on my
> >hardware"?
>
> >Idiot.
>
> >Most proprietary garbage I've encountered is about as technically
> >/inferior/ as it gets, even when it does support my hardware.
>
> Indeed their is *no question* that GNU/Linux is technically superior
> to the mainstream alternatives, *especially* from an expert's POV!

First, remember your Set Theory chrisv:  the question isn't if it is
superior to the 'mainstream':  the question is if it is superior to
the SUM OF EVERYTHING ELSE COMBINED.

Second, just what does 'technically superior' mean, specifically?
Code efficiency?  Security?  Feature Set?  End User Productivity?  IT
Manageability?  Ease-of-Customization?  Price?  As usual, you're
trying to play fast & loose to make a bravado fanboy claim.

Third, you're no expert.  As you've already tried to brag, you only
have a BS degree.

> It takes a genuine fool, a ridiculous jackass, like "-hh", to make
> leaps of "logic" like he did, above.

Fourth, you've already demonstrated an inability to successfully
construct logical points.

> 'Chrisv was basically whining about things having "too much"
> maintenance, which essentially was an assertion that he wants
> everything to be maintenance free...' =A0- =A0asshole "-hh", lying
> shamelessly

It would be nice to see the full context of where this came from, but
it does sound generally  consistent with the 'Spoiled Brat'
entitlement attitude we often see in COLA Boys.  In this thread, an
aspect of FOSS that was pointed out as a feature was that the tools
exist to make in-house changes (and updates) to the original
source ... and that has to be paid for, in-house.

If one whines about stuff having 'too much' maintenance, then don't do
said maintenance ... which also carries the implication that a
products 'Maintainability' is no longer a feature that one can point
to as one's basis for product differentiation...well, at least without
being a hypocrite.



-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/12/2012 10:35:04 AM

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> writes:

> On Oct 11, 4:50 pm, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Homer wrote:
>> >> Brainless Sheeple -hh wrote:
>>
>> >>> Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim.  That's your
>> >>> prerogative, but what you need to do to
>> >>> make sure that people understand that
>> >>> you're making this decision based on the
>> >>> principles of FOSS is to clearly state that
>> >>> you choose to run FOSS over even
>> >>> technically superior non-FOSS products.
>>
>> >What exactly is technically superior" about can't run on my
>> >hardware"?
>>
>> >Idiot.
>>
>> >Most proprietary garbage I've encountered is about as technically
>> >/inferior/ as it gets, even when it does support my hardware.
>>
>> Indeed their is *no question* that GNU/Linux is technically superior
>> to the mainstream alternatives, *especially* from an expert's POV!
>
> First, remember your Set Theory chrisv:  the question isn't if it is
> superior to the 'mainstream':  the question is if it is superior to
> the SUM OF EVERYTHING ELSE COMBINED.
>
> Second, just what does 'technically superior' mean, specifically?
> Code efficiency?  Security?  Feature Set?  End User Productivity?  IT
> Manageability?  Ease-of-Customization?  Price?  As usual, you're
> trying to play fast & loose to make a bravado fanboy claim.
>
> Third, you're no expert.  As you've already tried to brag, you only
> have a BS degree.
>
>> It takes a genuine fool, a ridiculous jackass, like "-hh", to make
>> leaps of "logic" like he did, above.
>
> Fourth, you've already demonstrated an inability to successfully
> construct logical points.
>
>> 'Chrisv was basically whining about things having "too much"
>> maintenance, which essentially was an assertion that he wants
>> everything to be maintenance free...'  -  asshole "-hh", lying
>> shamelessly
>
> It would be nice to see the full context of where this came from, but
> it does sound generally  consistent with the 'Spoiled Brat'
> entitlement attitude we often see in COLA Boys.  In this thread, an
> aspect of FOSS that was pointed out as a feature was that the tools
> exist to make in-house changes (and updates) to the original
> source ... and that has to be paid for, in-house.
>
> If one whines about stuff having 'too much' maintenance, then don't do
> said maintenance ... which also carries the implication that a
> products 'Maintainability' is no longer a feature that one can point
> to as one's basis for product differentiation...well, at least without
> being a hypocrite.
>
> -hh

You know turd doesn't read your well formed and convincing arguments. He
just froths and stinks the place up. Creepy Chris Ahlstrom thinks he's
"intelligent and insightful", but pretty much the rest of COLA thinks
the turd needs flushing.

-- 
A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to pretend to be a Linux 
user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0), User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
(Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM0ACfdRVn-hw@comcast.com>
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Reply hadronquark (21814) 10/12/2012 10:45:09 AM

On Oct 11, 5:04=A0pm, JEDIDIAH <j...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> On 2012-10-11, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:34:05 PM UTC-4, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> It's not quite so simple as that.
>
> > Of course it isn't. =A0Such discussions are invariably high level
> >  and subject to simplifying generalizations.
>
> >> The open approach of Linux and Unix in general ..
>
> > See, there's a generalization statement right there.
>
> >> ...means that you have less mindless group
> >> think to worry about when solving a problem.
> >> You don't have to worry about having bad tools
> >> forced on you. You don't have to have your
> >> requirements belittled. You don't have to
> >> worry about being slandered yourself for doing
> >> something that is a little creative. [deletia]
>
> > Sure, but the trade-off is that all of these 'advantages'
> > only come about because you're able to "GO IT ALONE"
>
> =A0 =A0 Nope. Platforms other than MacOS have plenty of ready made tools
> that will easily allow you to do things that fanboys like you will
> try to shout down.

First, this isn't about MacOS:  it is about FOSS vs. Everything.

Second, one can't lay claim to the ability to customize a FOSS
application as a primary product differentiator without also
committing to being willing to provide the in-house fiscal resources
to realize that feature.  Otherwise, you're "buying" a feature that
you plan to never use, and you are lying (to yourself & others) in
your product selection rationalization.


> [deletia]
>
> =A0 =A0 You are trying to sell a false dichotomy to people that simply kn=
ow better.

Your "[deletia]" tries to deflect/deny the free clue:  some of us have
professionally worked as programmers and system designers and had to
address these contradictions in real life that you're trying to weakly
hand-waive away.

> =A0 =A0 Flexibility and modularity don't require any compromises in terms=
 of
> usability.

Not what was being said.  The amount of cheddar cheese on the moon
also doesn't effect the usability of tricycles in china.

> In fact, what you can gain from automation can easily make the
> more open option MORE usable rather than less.

And this also wasn't about 'automation' either.


> =A0 =A0 This is part of the whole "just working" thing.

But exactly who becomes responsible for that 'working' part when one
accepts the in-house responsibility for customization?

Oh, that's right:  blame and denial on others rather than yourself.
Follow-up by changing just which of the 666 distributions of Linux
Hell you're using and try to claim that there was some other reason
than your own DIY ineptitude or laziness for you bailing on the flavor
that you were using before.  It is all part of the same old pattern of
lazy spoiled brats who have an irrational sense of entitlement who
want everything delivered to them on a silver platter, with them
having no obligations whatsoever to honor.

Yeah, that's a political statement too...had you tried that crap in a
house of my parents' generation, you not only wouldn't have gotten
away with it, but you would have been whipped until you were bloody.
And "Rinse, Lather, Repeat" until the concept of 'Personal
Responsibility' and not lying finally takes hold in your little walnut
of a brain.  I can tell that the way that you were raised, you only
received lame "Time Outs" and you still believe that you can get away
with anything.


-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/12/2012 10:49:02 AM

On 10/11/12 1:41 PM, in article slrnk7ebnm.fs0.jedi@nomad.mishnet,
"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

> On 2012-10-11, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:34:05 PM UTC-4, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> It's not quite so simple as that.
>> 
>> Of course it isn't.  Such discussions are invariably high level and subject
>> to simplifying generalizations.
>> 
>>> The open approach of Linux and Unix in general ..
>> 
>> See, there's a generalization statement right there.
>> 
>>> ...means that you have less mindless group
>>> think to worry about when solving a problem.
>>> You don't have to worry about having bad tools
>>> forced on you. You don't have to have your
>>> requirements belittled. You don't have to
>>> worry about being slandered yourself for doing
>>> something that is a little creative. [deletia]
>> 
>> Sure, but the trade-off is that all of these 'advantages' only come about
>> because you're able to "GO IT ALONE"
> 
>     Nope. Platforms other than MacOS have plenty of ready made tools
> that will easily allow you to do things that fanboys like you will
> try to shout down.
> 
> [deletia]
> 
>     You are trying to sell a false dichotomy to people that simply know
> better.
> 
>     Flexibility and modularity don't require any compromises in terms of
> usability. 

Perhaps not... it may very well not be a "requirement". But it is what we
see on desktop Linux. That is very, very clear.

> In fact, what you can gain from automation can easily make the
> more open option MORE usable rather than less.

Automation? Where do you think Linux is ahead in that area? OS X has the
same command line options *plus* Automator, Folder Actions, and Apple
Script.

>     This is part of the whole "just working" thing.



-- 
"Linux desktop is why I got into Linux in the first place. I mean, I
have never, ever cared about really anything but the Linux desktop."
-- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/12/2012 2:15:32 PM

On 2012-10-11, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Homer wrote:
>
>>> Brainless Sheeple -hh wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim.  That's your 
>>>> prerogative, but what you need to do to 
>>>> make sure that people understand that 
>>>> you're making this decision based on the 
>>>> principles of FOSS is to clearly state that
>>>> you choose to run FOSS over even 
>>>> technically superior non-FOSS products.
>>
>>What exactly is “technically superior" about “can't run on my 
>>hardware"?
>>
>>Idiot.
>>
>>Most proprietary garbage I've encountered is about as technically 
>>/inferior/ as it gets, even when it does support my hardware.
>
> Indeed their is *no question* that GNU/Linux is technically superior
> to the mainstream alternatives, *especially* from an expert's POV!

    Windows can boast having the most 3rd party support. This usually
devolves into Lemmings and Fanboys alike promoting expensive 
applications that none of them would actually pay money for.

-- 
	iTunes is not progressive. It's a throwback.		|||
							       / | \
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Reply jedi (14754) 10/12/2012 5:00:59 PM

GreyCloud wrote:
>=20
> I think you lost him when you tried to introduce him
> to set theory. :-)) I believe he went to get another
> drink... made his head hurt.

Increasingly, chrisv is reminding me of a BSEE that we "let go" a couple of=
 years ago...one of the more interesting events that that gentleman caused =
to transpire was that he ran himself over with his own car.

One of the guys that's on the "job bubble" lately got rightfully reamed on =
a two parter:  the first part was for taking apart a fairly expensive piece=
 of lab instrumentation to check its (nonservicable) battery rather than to=
 send it back to the manufacturer to be checke.  And the second part was th=
at he tried to "repair" the now-disassembled battery pack's electrical circ=
uit with (wait for it) ... a hot glue gun. =20

Golly, I didn't realize that nonconductive hot glue was the modern replacem=
ent for soldering that they're teaching these booksmart BSEE boys these day=
s.  The circuit might no longer work, but at least its lead-free :-)


-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/12/2012 5:22:33 PM

On 10/12/2012 1:00 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2012-10-11, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Homer wrote:
>>
>>>> Brainless Sheeple -hh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, the "Its the Principle" claim.  That's your
>>>>> prerogative, but what you need to do to
>>>>> make sure that people understand that
>>>>> you're making this decision based on the
>>>>> principles of FOSS is to clearly state that
>>>>> you choose to run FOSS over even
>>>>> technically superior non-FOSS products.
>>>
>>> What exactly is “technically superior" about “can't run on my
>>> hardware"?
>>>
>>> Idiot.
>>>
>>> Most proprietary garbage I've encountered is about as technically
>>> /inferior/ as it gets, even when it does support my hardware.
>>
>> Indeed their is *no question* that GNU/Linux is technically superior
>> to the mainstream alternatives, *especially* from an expert's POV!
>
>      Windows can boast having the most 3rd party support. This usually
> devolves into Lemmings and Fanboys alike promoting expensive
> applications that none of them would actually pay money for.


Regardless, they're still available to us.  You suffer with the worst 
software on the planet.




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Reply nospam2091 (10004) 10/12/2012 5:59:04 PM

DFS wrote:
> JEDIDIAH wrote:=20
> > Windows can boast having the most 3rd party support.
> > This usually devolves into Lemmings and Fanboys alike
> > promoting expensive applications that none of them
> > would actually pay money for.=20
>
> Regardless, they're still available to us.=20

There is an interesting argument to be made for the 'populist' approach:  i=
f the 'Off The Shelf' tool isn't what one wants, the more popular it is, th=
e more of a market can exist for 3rd parties to offer options.  Sure, there=
's no assurance that the perfect set of optional features will exist, but t=
he Pareto Principle also suggests that there's likely to be something that'=
s an 80% solution that's already been developed by the community. =20

> You suffer with the worst software on the planet.

That may or may not be the case, but it misses the real point:  an insistan=
ce to onlly consider FOSS is a manifestation of myopia that focuses on the =
"Today Cost" over all others.  There is the FOSS Fanboy claim that his door=
 remains open for DIY supportability for when his 'free' community disappea=
rs, but the business case of how much this will actually cost him IRL is ab=
sent.  Needless to say, it doesn't take all that long to conclude that it i=
s significantly cheaper to just buy a copy of, say, Adobe Photoshop instead=
 of trying to DIY improve GIMP.  If we're talking about a real world busine=
ss environment (vs. Mommy's Basement Fanboy), the fully burdened DIY cost i=
s easily going to be $50-100/hour, so the ROI on a notional Photoshop-vs-up=
graded-GIMP is a day or less. =20


-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/12/2012 6:37:02 PM

On 2012-10-12, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> DFS wrote:
>> JEDIDIAH wrote: 
>> > Windows can boast having the most 3rd party support.
>> > This usually devolves into Lemmings and Fanboys alike
>> > promoting expensive applications that none of them
>> > would actually pay money for. 
>>
>> Regardless, they're still available to us. 

   They're still irrelevant.

   It's the proverbial tree falling in the forest.

   That is true for you as much as it is to those that you tryy to 
trigger an unwarranted and irrational fearful response.

-- 
	iTunes is not progressive. It's a throwback.		|||
							       / | \
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Reply jedi (14754) 10/12/2012 8:06:20 PM

On 10/6/2012 2:22 PM, 7 wrote:
> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>
> You can do anything.
>
> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.
>
> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual
> machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
> to know your command like the back of your hand,
> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.

     Just think back in my day, all you needed to be a geek was 
a deep and abiding love of Star Trek and other science fiction.

>
> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.
>
> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.
>
> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.

       You're joking right? I've used Linux and the very reason 
I use Windows as my main OS is because it does all the things 
that Linux doesn't do easily. At least some distros don't do 
them easily.

       My litmus test for a good Linux live CD? Pop it in and if 
you can immediately go to Youtube and watch and hear videos. 
Then it's a good live distro.

John


John


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Reply hhitman86 (2106) 10/12/2012 8:16:36 PM

On 2012-10-12, John Slade <hhitman86@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On 10/6/2012 2:22 PM, 7 wrote:
>> Why I use Linux over competing operating systems
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>> The biggest reason I use Linux is that it is quite simply geeky.
>>
>> You can do anything.
>>
>> You can't call yourself a geek and seriously not know Linux inside out.
>>
>> In today's geek world, you got to know your C/C++, you got to know
>> your GUI design packages, you got to know your apache servers,
>> you got to know penetration tools, you got to know your TCP/IP,
>> you got to know your database packages, you got to know your virtual
>> machines, you got to know how to compile from sources, you got
>> to know your command like the back of your hand,
>> you got to be able to script, you got to know all your liveCDs,
>> to got to be able to traverse formats, you got to know all your
>> disk commands, you got to know your HTML editing,
>> and you can't be held to ransom by lesser competing operating systems.
>
>      Just think back in my day, all you needed to be a geek was 
> a deep and abiding love of Star Trek and other science fiction.
>
>>
>> Linux is the only complete package that delivers on all these fronts.
>>
>> The competing OSes like windopws and appil is simply not geek.
>>
>> There is so much gunk between you and your computer if Micoshaft
>> or Appil is used which is easily overcome with Linux. So much
>> so, that once you tried it, you can't go back to using toy OSen.
>
>        You're joking right? I've used Linux and the very reason 

   You're the one weak on specifics citing only one bogus example.

   I think you're the one that's joking.

[deletia]

   Slick automation versus searching dodgey looking websites that
are a minefield of misdirected links just so you can download 
something called Shark007.

-- 
	iTunes is not progressive. It's a throwback.		|||
							       / | \
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Reply jedi (14754) 10/12/2012 9:12:03 PM

-hh wrote:

> GreyCloud wrote:
>> 
>> I think you lost him when you tried to introduce him
>> to set theory. :-)) I believe he went to get another
>> drink... made his head hurt.
> 
> Increasingly, chrisv is reminding me of a BSEE that we "let go" a couple
> of years ago...one of the more interesting events that that gentleman
> caused to transpire was that he ran himself over with his own car.
> 
> One of the guys that's on the "job bubble" lately got rightfully reamed on
> a two parter:  the first part was for taking apart a fairly expensive
> piece of lab instrumentation to check its (nonservicable) battery rather
> than to send it back to the manufacturer to be checke.  And the second
> part was that he tried to "repair" the now-disassembled battery pack's
> electrical circuit with (wait for it) ... a hot glue gun.
> 
> Golly, I didn't realize that nonconductive hot glue was the modern
> replacement for soldering that they're teaching these booksmart BSEE boys
> these days.  The circuit might no longer work, but at least its lead-free
> :-)
> 

LOL!!!  Reminds me of a Boeing engineer... he was trying to change his 
sparks plugs with a pair of pliers.  Broke off most of them trying.  :-))

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Reply mist (19747) 10/12/2012 10:07:45 PM

On 10/7/2012 1:03 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:

> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor,


heh!  In 2012, Linux is still all about tape and bubble gum and 
amateurish hacks.

MS is doomed.




> but
> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
> powerhouse and does everything that I need.

> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
> Linux Mint such a great operating system.


So now a distro is an operating system.

Gotcha.

It's kinda like the Keith Curtis moron said: "in the free software 
world, the definition of a PC operating system completely changes"
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Reply nospam2091 (10004) 10/15/2012 3:19:43 AM

On 15/10/12 05:19, DFS wrote:
> On 10/7/2012 1:03 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>
>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
>> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor,
>
>
> heh!  In 2012, Linux is still all about tape and bubble gum and
> amateurish hacks.
>
> MS is doomed.
>
>
>
>
>> but
>> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
>> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>
>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>
>
> So now a distro is an operating system.
>
> Gotcha.
>
> It's kinda like the Keith Curtis moron said: "in the free software
> world, the definition of a PC operating system completely changes"

You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging 
every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its 
eye on the game.

Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, which 
has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet world. 
Linux owns the HPC world has a large chunk of the server world and is 
everywhere from submarines to space.

Microsoft still owns the Desktop. The bad news for Microsoft is that the 
desktop is becoming a niche market.

All you softies, keep telling yourselves that Linux is all about bubble 
gum and tape. You may just be able to convince yourselves that you are 
still top of the heap.

Einbildung ist auch eine Bildung aber Misbildung ist auch.

Ian
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Reply nospam30 (871) 10/19/2012 8:43:24 PM

On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
> ...
> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging 
> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its 
> eye on the game.

Fair enough

> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, which 
> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet world. 

Android "owns" the tablet world?  

Instead of simply suggesting that you're fucked up on more drugs than Snit, I'll simply ask:

"Oh really?  By just what performance metric?"

Be specific, and provide suitable objective documentation.



-hh






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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/19/2012 9:10:50 PM

Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> writes:

> On 15/10/12 05:19, DFS wrote:
>> On 10/7/2012 1:03 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>
>>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
>>> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor,
>>
>>
>> heh!  In 2012, Linux is still all about tape and bubble gum and
>> amateurish hacks.
>>
>> MS is doomed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> but
>>> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
>>> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>>
>>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>>
>>
>> So now a distro is an operating system.
>>
>> Gotcha.
>>
>> It's kinda like the Keith Curtis moron said: "in the free software
>> world, the definition of a PC operating system completely changes"
>
> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging every
> last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its eye on
> the game.

Doesnt have a clue?

You forgot that ALL the sw you use is MS based

Why do you tell so many lies?


>
> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, which has
> Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet world. Linux owns
> the HPC world has a large chunk of the server world and is everywhere from
> submarines to space.
>
> Microsoft still owns the Desktop. The bad news for Microsoft is that the desktop
> is becoming a niche market.
>
> All you softies, keep telling yourselves that Linux is all about bubble gum and
> tape. You may just be able to convince yourselves that you are still top of the
> heap.
>
> Einbildung ist auch eine Bildung aber Misbildung ist auch.
>
> Ian
>

-- 
A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to pretend to be a Linux 
user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0), User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
(Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM0ACfdRVn-hw@comcast.com>
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Reply hadronquark (21814) 10/19/2012 11:21:11 PM

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> writes:

> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>> ...
>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging 
>> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its 
>> eye on the game.
>
> Fair enough
>
>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, which 
>> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet world. 
>
> Android "owns" the tablet world?  
>
> Instead of simply suggesting that you're fucked up on more drugs than Snit, I'll simply ask:
>
> "Oh really?  By just what performance metric?"
>
> Be specific, and provide suitable objective documentation.
>
> -hh
>

Ian hilliard has the biggest head outside of creepy chris alhstrom.

-- 
A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to pretend to be a Linux 
user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0), User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
(Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM0ACfdRVn-hw@comcast.com>
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Reply hadronquark (21814) 10/19/2012 11:22:19 PM

On 10/19/2012 4:43 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
> On 15/10/12 05:19, DFS wrote:
>> On 10/7/2012 1:03 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>
>>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
>>> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor,
>>
>>
>> heh!  In 2012, Linux is still all about tape and bubble gum and
>> amateurish hacks.
>>
>> MS is doomed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> but
>>> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
>>> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>>
>>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>>
>>
>> So now a distro is an operating system.
>>
>> Gotcha.
>>
>> It's kinda like the Keith Curtis moron said: "in the free software
>> world, the definition of a PC operating system completely changes"
>
> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging
> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its
> eye on the game.

How moronic are you, bozo?

MS has set sales records in 24 of the last 25 years they've been in 
business.



> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, which
> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet world.
> Linux owns the HPC world has a large chunk of the server world and is
> everywhere from submarines to space.

Figures you hadn't heard the news: MS has produced embedded, 
phone/tablet, server and HPC products for years and years.



> Microsoft still owns the Desktop. The bad news for Microsoft is that the
> desktop is becoming a niche market.

600,000,000 sales of Win7 over the last 3 years is a 'niche market'? 
Well, if you're a desperate, deluded MS-hater I guess...


Meanwhile, how's that Windows-based job treating you your entire career?




> All you softies, keep telling yourselves that Linux is all about bubble
> gum and tape. You may just be able to convince yourselves that you are
> still top of the heap.

Considering MS and Apple is basically all you cola morons talk about, 
someone is trying to convince themselves of something.




> Einbildung ist auch eine Bildung aber Misbildung ist auch.
>
> Ian


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Reply nospam2091 (10004) 10/20/2012 12:14:54 AM

On 2012-10-19, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>> ...
>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on
>> gouging every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it
>> didn't keep its eye on the game.
>
> Fair enough
>
>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android,
>> which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and
>> Tablet world. 
>
> Android "owns" the tablet world?  

Not what he said.
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Reply tommy.bongaerts (5594) 10/20/2012 5:01:10 AM

On 10/19/12 10:01 PM, in article 20121020070042.849@usenet.drumscum.be,
"TomB" <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-10-19, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
>> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>> ...
>>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on
>>> gouging every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it
>>> didn't keep its eye on the game.
>> 
>> Fair enough
>> 
>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android,
>>> which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and
>>> Tablet world. 
>> 
>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
> 
> Not what he said.

"Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."

How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to tablets?

-- 
"In fact, the main goal of Linux might be called usability... the most
important thing is that it works well and people ... want to use it."
-- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/20/2012 5:40:05 AM

On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> On 10/19/12 10:01 PM, in article
> 20121020070042.849@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
> <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-10-19, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
>>> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>> ...  You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated
>>>> on gouging every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it
>>>> didn't keep its eye on the game.
>>> 
>>> Fair enough
>>> 
>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
>>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
>>>> Telephone and Tablet world. 
>>> 
>>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>> 
>> Not what he said.
>
> "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
>
> How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
> tablets?

Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.

Blind a bit?
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Reply tommy.bongaerts (5594) 10/20/2012 9:38:51 AM

On Oct 20, 5:38=A0am, TomB <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10/19/12 10:01 PM, in article
> > 20121020070042....@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
> > <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 2012-10-19, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
> >>> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
> >>>> ... =A0You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated
> >>>> on gouging every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it
> >>>> didn't keep its eye on the game.
>
> >>> Fair enough
>
> >>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
> >>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
> >>>> Telephone and Tablet world.
>
> >>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>
> >> Not what he said.
>
> > "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
>
> > How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
> > tablets?
>
> Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.

True, the tablet market has multiple vendors, and the vendor with the
Lion's Share is Apple with iOS; call it roughly a ~55% share, because
the marketshare reports usually include the eBook reader vendors for
the Nook/Kindle (Amazon/B&N) which represents another ~25%.

Right there, you have three vendors who each have locks on their own
OSs ... and represent 80% of this market.  The remaining ~20% of the
tablet market is Microsoft's and Google's OS and these are each split
up amongst a group of vendors.


> Blind a bit?

Oh, that would be to purposefully ignore 80% of a competitive, multi-
vendor market to talk about who is "winning" the squabble over the
left-over scraps.


-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/20/2012 10:24:04 AM

After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> On 10/19/12 10:01 PM, in article
>> 20121020070042.849@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
>
>>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
>>>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
>>>>> Telephone and Tablet world. 
>>>> 
>>>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>>> 
>>> Not what he said.
>>
>> "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
>>
>> How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
>> tablets?
>
> Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.
>
> Blind a bit?

No, prejudiced. 

-- 
Given that he [Hadron] claimed to be a "long term Windows user and
programmer", & his anti-linux posts, it's a fair bet those "evelopment
machines" run windows. 
The M$ fanboi self-nukes sooner or later!  Too funny. LOL
   -- "William Poaster" <5kl518-hva.ln1@beta.mylinuxnet.org>
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Reply admin45 (1212) 10/20/2012 10:36:25 AM

After swilling some grog, Chris Ahlstrom belched this bit o' wisdom:

> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snip:
>>> On 10/19/12 10:01 PM, in article
>>> 20121020070042.849@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
>>
>>>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
>>>>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
>>>>>> Telephone and Tablet world. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>>>> 
>>>> Not what he said.
>>>
>>> "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
                         <snip>
>>>
>>> How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
>>> tablets?
>>
>> Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.
>>
>> Blind a bit?
>
> No, prejudiced. 

I should add that we should change his name to "Snip".

-- 
Brain off-line, please wait.
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Reply admin45 (1212) 10/20/2012 10:38:44 AM

-hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> TomB <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> > > ... "TomB" <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On 2012-10-19, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
> > >>> Ian Hilliard wrote:
> > >>>> ...
> > >>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
> > >>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
> > >>>> Telephone and Tablet world.
>
> > >>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>
> > >> Not what he said.
>
> > > "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
>
> > > How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
> > > tablets?
>
> > Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.

One might also want to try diagramming the sentence to see if you
parsed it correctly or not.

Don't know if you ever had this training back in High School, but some
of us have, and do remember it still.  If you don't know how to to it,
here's an automated tool:

http://1aiway.com/nlp4net/services/enparser/

Simply type in the sentence and view its results.  To that end, here's
a screenshot of the full statement already graphically diagrammed:

http://www.huntzinger.com/usenet/sentence-full-diagrammer.gif

....as well as the simplified version:

http://www.huntzinger.com/usenet/sentence-diagrammer.gif


As can be seen in both, the branch on the tablet simplifies down to:

"Android owns Tablet World".



-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/20/2012 10:52:35 AM

On 10/19/2012 5:10 PM, -hh wrote:
> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>> ...
>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging
>> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its
>> eye on the game.
>
> Fair enough
>
>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, which
>> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet world.
>
> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>
> Instead of simply suggesting that you're fucked up on more drugs than Snit, I'll simply ask:
>
> "Oh really?  By just what performance metric?"
>
> Be specific, and provide suitable objective documentation.


The funny thing about their drooling is virtually nobody buys an Android 
device (phone, tablet, ereader, etc) because it runs a Linux kernel.

The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is very, 
very tiny.



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Reply nospam2091 (10004) 10/20/2012 2:31:54 PM

On 10/20/12 2:38 AM, in article 20121020113745.344@usenet.drumscum.be,
"TomB" <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> On 10/19/12 10:01 PM, in article
>> 20121020070042.849@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
>> <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2012-10-19, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
>>>> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>> ...  You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated
>>>>> on gouging every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it
>>>>> didn't keep its eye on the game.
>>>> 
>>>> Fair enough
>>>> 
>>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
>>>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
>>>>> Telephone and Tablet world.
>>>> 
>>>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>>> 
>>> Not what he said.
>> 
>> "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
>> 
>> How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
>> tablets?
> 
> Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.
> 
> Blind a bit?

Ah, I did not split that hair.


-- 
"But I have never, ever even run a Linux server and I don't even want
to; it's not what I'm interested in. I'm more of a desktop guy."
-- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/20/2012 4:01:41 PM

On 10/20/12 7:31 AM, in article k5ucl7$d8k$2@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 10/19/2012 5:10 PM, -hh wrote:
>> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>> ...
>>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging
>>> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its
>>> eye on the game.
>> 
>> Fair enough
>> 
>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, which
>>> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet world.
>> 
>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>> 
>> Instead of simply suggesting that you're fucked up on more drugs than Snit,
>> I'll simply ask:
>> 
>> "Oh really?  By just what performance metric?"
>> 
>> Be specific, and provide suitable objective documentation.
> 
> 
> The funny thing about their drooling is virtually nobody buys an Android
> device (phone, tablet, ereader, etc) because it runs a Linux kernel.
> 
> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is very,
> very tiny.

Very true... but not sure it matters.


-- 
"But I have never, ever even run a Linux server and I don't even want
to; it's not what I'm interested in. I'm more of a desktop guy."
-- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/20/2012 4:02:49 PM

On 10/20/12 3:36 AM, in article k5tur8$vso$1@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahlstrom"
<admin@cyberbully.com> wrote:

> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
> 
>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> On 10/19/12 10:01 PM, in article
>>> 20121020070042.849@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
>> 
>>>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
>>>>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
>>>>>> Telephone and Tablet world.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>>>> 
>>>> Not what he said.
>>> 
>>> "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
>>> 
>>> How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
>>> tablets?
>> 
>> Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.
>> 
>> Blind a bit?
> 
> No, prejudiced. 

No, just not interested in splitting hairs.


-- 
"I started Linux as a desktop operating system. And it's the only area
where Linux hasn't completely taken over. That just annoys the hell out
of me." -- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/20/2012 4:03:04 PM

On 10/20/12 3:52 AM, in article
4ff42156-8127-4d38-a94c-84b026b23d08@10g2000vbu.googlegroups.com, "-hh"
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

> -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> TomB <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>> ... "TomB" <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2012-10-19, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
>>>>>> Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
>>>>>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
>>>>>>> Telephone and Tablet world.
>> 
>>>>>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>> 
>>>>> Not what he said.
>> 
>>>> "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
>> 
>>>> How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
>>>> tablets?
>> 
>>> Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.
> 
> One might also want to try diagramming the sentence to see if you
> parsed it correctly or not.
> 
> Don't know if you ever had this training back in High School, but some
> of us have, and do remember it still.  If you don't know how to to it,
> here's an automated tool:
> 
> http://1aiway.com/nlp4net/services/enparser/
> 
> Simply type in the sentence and view its results.  To that end, here's
> a screenshot of the full statement already graphically diagrammed:
> 
> http://www.huntzinger.com/usenet/sentence-full-diagrammer.gif
> 
> ...as well as the simplified version:
> 
> 
> http://www.huntzinger.com/usenet/sentence-diagrammer.gif
> 
> 
> As can be seen in both, the branch on the tablet simplifies down to:
> 
> "Android owns Tablet World".

I read it as the automated tool did - but even if you read it the other way,
who cares if it is multi-vender or not. It is a silly comparison. Pretty
much TomB is saying that there was an implied admission that they own only
that *part* of the markets. What an odd comment, then.

By the way, awesome tool. Thanks.

-- 
"Linux desktop is why I got into Linux in the first place. I mean, I
have never, ever cared about really anything but the Linux desktop."
-- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/20/2012 4:08:40 PM

On 10/20/12 3:24 AM, in article
b909f7b5-8c9e-4067-8e5e-554502bd89e3@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com, "-hh"
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

> On Oct 20, 5:38�am, TomB <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/19/12 10:01 PM, in article
>>> 20121020070042....@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
>>> <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2012-10-19, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
>>>>> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>>> ... �You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated
>>>>>> on gouging every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it
>>>>>> didn't keep its eye on the game.
>> 
>>>>> Fair enough
>> 
>>>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
>>>>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
>>>>>> Telephone and Tablet world.
>> 
>>>>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>> 
>>>> Not what he said.
>> 
>>> "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
>> 
>>> How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
>>> tablets?
>> 
>> Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.
> 
> True, the tablet market has multiple vendors, and the vendor with the
> Lion's Share is Apple with iOS; call it roughly a ~55% share, because
> the marketshare reports usually include the eBook reader vendors for
> the Nook/Kindle (Amazon/B&N) which represents another ~25%.
> 
> Right there, you have three vendors who each have locks on their own
> OSs ... and represent 80% of this market.  The remaining ~20% of the
> tablet market is Microsoft's and Google's OS and these are each split
> up amongst a group of vendors.
> 
> 
>> Blind a bit?
> 
> Oh, that would be to purposefully ignore 80% of a competitive, multi-
> vendor market to talk about who is "winning" the squabble over the
> left-over scraps.
> 
> 
> -hh

For now, yes. As with phones there will likely be heavy growth in the
Android tablet market.


-- 
"In fact, the main goal of Linux might be called usability... the most
important thing is that it works well and people ... want to use it."
-- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/20/2012 4:09:37 PM

On Oct 20, 10:02=A0am, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/20/12 7:31 AM, in article k5ucl7$d8...@dont-email.me, "DFS"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
> > On 10/19/2012 5:10 PM, -hh wrote:
> >> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gougin=
g
> >>> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its
> >>> eye on the game.
>
> >> Fair enough
>
> >>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, wh=
ich
> >>> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet wor=
ld.
>
> >> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>
> >> Instead of simply suggesting that you're fucked up on more drugs than =
Snit,
> >> I'll simply ask:
>
> >> "Oh really? =A0By just what performance metric?"
>
> >> Be specific, and provide suitable objective documentation.
>
> > The funny thing about their drooling is virtually nobody buys an Androi=
d
> > device (phone, tablet, ereader, etc) because it runs a Linux kernel.
>
> > The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is very,
> > very tiny.
>
> Very true... but not sure it matters.

It sure seems to matter to you when you're drumming up all these bogus
OS contests ;)
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Reply fretwizzer (2810) 10/20/2012 4:16:07 PM

On Oct 20, 9:16=A0am, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 20, 10:02=A0am, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10/20/12 7:31 AM, in article k5ucl7$d8...@dont-email.me, "DFS"
>
> > <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
> > > On 10/19/2012 5:10 PM, -hh wrote:
> > >> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
> > >>> ...
> > >>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on goug=
ing
> > >>> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep i=
ts
> > >>> eye on the game.
>
> > >> Fair enough
>
> > >>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, =
which
> > >>> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet w=
orld.
>
> > >> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>
> > >> Instead of simply suggesting that you're fucked up on more drugs tha=
n Snit,
> > >> I'll simply ask:
>
> > >> "Oh really? =A0By just what performance metric?"
>
> > >> Be specific, and provide suitable objective documentation.
>
> > > The funny thing about their drooling is virtually nobody buys an Andr=
oid
> > > device (phone, tablet, ereader, etc) because it runs a Linux kernel.
>
> > > The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is very=
,
> > > very tiny.
>
> > Very true... but not sure it matters.
>
> It sure seems to matter to you when you're drumming up all these bogus
> OS contests ;)

fretwizzer@gmail.com - forgery (Snit)
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Reply fretwizzen (406) 10/20/2012 4:28:23 PM

On Oct 20, 9:28=A0am, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 20, 9:16=A0am, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 20, 10:02=A0am, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 10/20/12 7:31 AM, in article k5ucl7$d8...@dont-email.me, "DFS"
>
> > > <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
> > > > On 10/19/2012 5:10 PM, -hh wrote:
> > > >> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ian Hilliard wrote:
> > > >>> ...
> > > >>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on go=
uging
> > > >>> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep=
 its
> > > >>> eye on the game.
>
> > > >> Fair enough
>
> > > >>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android=
, which
> > > >>> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet=
 world.
>
> > > >> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>
> > > >> Instead of simply suggesting that you're fucked up on more drugs t=
han Snit,
> > > >> I'll simply ask:
>
> > > >> "Oh really? =A0By just what performance metric?"
>
> > > >> Be specific, and provide suitable objective documentation.
>
> > > > The funny thing about their drooling is virtually nobody buys an An=
droid
> > > > device (phone, tablet, ereader, etc) because it runs a Linux kernel=
..
>
> > > > The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is ve=
ry,
> > > > very tiny.
>
> > > Very true... but not sure it matters.
>
> > It sure seems to matter to you when you're drumming up all these bogus
> > OS contests ;)
>
> fretwiz...@gmail.com - forgery (Snit)

fretwizzen@gmail.com - forgery (Snit)
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Reply stevecarrroll (388) 10/20/2012 4:31:29 PM

On 20/10/12 02:14, DFS wrote:
> On 10/19/2012 4:43 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>> On 15/10/12 05:19, DFS wrote:
>>> On 10/7/2012 1:03 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>
>>>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
>>>> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor,
>>>
>>>
>>> heh!  In 2012, Linux is still all about tape and bubble gum and
>>> amateurish hacks.
>>>
>>> MS is doomed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> but
>>>> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
>>>> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>>>
>>>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>>>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>>>
>>>
>>> So now a distro is an operating system.
>>>
>>> Gotcha.
>>>
>>> It's kinda like the Keith Curtis moron said: "in the free software
>>> world, the definition of a PC operating system completely changes"
>>
>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging
>> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its
>> eye on the game.
>
> How moronic are you, bozo?
>
> MS has set sales records in 24 of the last 25 years they've been in
> business.
>
>
>
>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, which
>> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet world.
>> Linux owns the HPC world has a large chunk of the server world and is
>> everywhere from submarines to space.
>
> Figures you hadn't heard the news: MS has produced embedded,
> phone/tablet, server and HPC products for years and years.
>
Like with most things from MS, they suck.
For a while, MS was able to sell the idea of Windows for embedded by 
convincing middle managers that you can do embedded programming with 
cheap Windows programmers. The result was bad code on a horrible platform.

There are still some legacy systems about, but Windows embedded was a 
failed experiment.

>
>
>> Microsoft still owns the Desktop. The bad news for Microsoft is that the
>> desktop is becoming a niche market.
>
> 600,000,000 sales of Win7 over the last 3 years is a 'niche market'?
> Well, if you're a desperate, deluded MS-hater I guess...
>

As Microsoft sell more licenses than PCs that are manufactured, it is 
not hard to get big numbers. It is however still a niche market. I read 
that last quarter there were more tablet computers sold in the world 
than PCs.

The PC is rapidly becoming a niche product and the PC is the only place 
where MS can use their legacy to make the big money. Microsoft does not 
control any other market.

Microsoft spent billions to take over the gaming industry, but according 
to recent industry news the PS3 is doing much better. This is simply 
because the game manufacturers were sick of having to restrict the 
functionality of their games so that it could run on the XBox 360.

Microsoft is a marketing company, which worked well when there was no 
reference. Now that people know better, Apple are ripping MS to shreds 
in the PC market and Linux is making huge inroads into everything else.

Ian


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Reply nospam30 (871) 10/20/2012 5:06:51 PM

On 20/10/12 18:03, Snit wrote:
> On 10/20/12 3:36 AM, in article k5tur8$vso$1@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahlstrom"
> <admin@cyberbully.com> wrote:
>
>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>> On 10/19/12 10:01 PM, in article
>>>> 20121020070042.849@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
>>>
>>>>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
>>>>>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
>>>>>>> Telephone and Tablet world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not what he said.
>>>>
>>>> "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
>>>>
>>>> How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
>>>> tablets?
>>>
>>> Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.
>>>
>>> Blind a bit?
>>
>> No, prejudiced.
>
> No, just not interested in splitting hairs.
>
>

This is not splitting hairs. This is the market that Microsoft has been 
trying for, but they are still a no show.

For the moment, Apple still has dominance in the Table market, but I am 
not sure for how much longer. China is producing huge numbers of Android 
tablets currently for the home market. It is only a matter of time 
before the rest of the world becomes flooded with these devices.

Ian
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Reply nospam30 (871) 10/20/2012 5:15:50 PM

On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:06:51 +0200, Ian Hilliard wrote:

> On 20/10/12 02:14, DFS wrote:
>> On 10/19/2012 4:43 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>> On 15/10/12 05:19, DFS wrote:
>>>> On 10/7/2012 1:03 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
>>>>> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> heh!  In 2012, Linux is still all about tape and bubble gum and
>>>> amateurish hacks.
>>>>
>>>> MS is doomed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> but
>>>>> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
>>>>> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>>>>
>>>>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>>>>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So now a distro is an operating system.
>>>>
>>>> Gotcha.
>>>>
>>>> It's kinda like the Keith Curtis moron said: "in the free software
>>>> world, the definition of a PC operating system completely changes"
>>>
>>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging
>>> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its
>>> eye on the game.
>>
>> How moronic are you, bozo?
>>
>> MS has set sales records in 24 of the last 25 years they've been in
>> business.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, which
>>> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet world.
>>> Linux owns the HPC world has a large chunk of the server world and is
>>> everywhere from submarines to space.
>>
>> Figures you hadn't heard the news: MS has produced embedded,
>> phone/tablet, server and HPC products for years and years.
>>
> Like with most things from MS, they suck.

That's a broad statement which is simply not true.

> For a while, MS was able to sell the idea of Windows for embedded by 
> convincing middle managers that you can do embedded programming with 
> cheap Windows programmers. The result was bad code on a horrible platform.
> There are still some legacy systems about, but Windows embedded was a 
> failed experiment.

That is mostly a true statement.
The tide may be changing however.



> The PC is rapidly becoming a niche product and the PC is the only place 
> where MS can use their legacy to make the big money.

Which also means desktop Linux or OSX is not growing either.
The tablet smart phone industry will peak and settle down but the
need for desktop systems, especially in the corporate area is not
going away any time soon. 

Of course Microsoft's sales are down in recent months. Consumers are
holding off for Windows 8 and as far as corporations not jumping
into Windows 8, of their not. That's BAU. Testing, systems
management, change management control and many other processes are
required for upgrading which is why many corporations are still
running Windows XP.

While Linux users are switching distributions weekly to the flavor
of the week, the corporate world does not function like that.


 
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Reply steve.mackay (243) 10/20/2012 5:36:44 PM

Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> writes:

> On 20/10/12 02:14, DFS wrote:
>> On 10/19/2012 4:43 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>> On 15/10/12 05:19, DFS wrote:
>>>> On 10/7/2012 1:03 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
>>>>> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> heh!  In 2012, Linux is still all about tape and bubble gum and
>>>> amateurish hacks.
>>>>
>>>> MS is doomed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> but
>>>>> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
>>>>> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>>>>
>>>>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>>>>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So now a distro is an operating system.
>>>>
>>>> Gotcha.
>>>>
>>>> It's kinda like the Keith Curtis moron said: "in the free software
>>>> world, the definition of a PC operating system completely changes"
>>>
>>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging
>>> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its
>>> eye on the game.
>>
>> How moronic are you, bozo?
>>
>> MS has set sales records in 24 of the last 25 years they've been in
>> business.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, which
>>> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet world.
>>> Linux owns the HPC world has a large chunk of the server world and is
>>> everywhere from submarines to space.
>>
>> Figures you hadn't heard the news: MS has produced embedded,
>> phone/tablet, server and HPC products for years and years.
>>
> Like with most things from MS, they suck.
> For a while, MS was able to sell the idea of Windows for embedded by convincing
> middle managers that you can do embedded programming with cheap Windows
> programmers. The result was bad code on a horrible platform.
>
> There are still some legacy systems about, but Windows embedded was a failed
> experiment.
>
>>
>>
>>> Microsoft still owns the Desktop. The bad news for Microsoft is that the
>>> desktop is becoming a niche market.
>>
>> 600,000,000 sales of Win7 over the last 3 years is a 'niche market'?
>> Well, if you're a desperate, deluded MS-hater I guess...
>>
>
> As Microsoft sell more licenses than PCs that are manufactured, it is not hard
> to get big numbers. It is however still a niche market. I read that last quarter
> there were more tablet computers sold in the world than PCs.
>
> The PC is rapidly becoming a niche product and the PC is the only place where MS
> can use their legacy to make the big money. Microsoft does not control any other
> market.


Are you really such an idiot as your posts suggest? Less PCs might be
selling, the tablets are undoubtedly a success, but tablets are not
replacing dekstop PCs at home or in the office. They complement them.
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Reply hadronquark (21814) 10/20/2012 6:44:07 PM

On Oct 20, 1:15=A0pm, Ian Hilliard <nos...@nospam.org> wrote:
> On 20/10/12 18:03, Snit wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10/20/12 3:36 AM, in article k5tur8$vs...@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahls=
trom"
> > <ad...@cyberbully.com> wrote:
>
> >> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
> >>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> >>>> On 10/19/12 10:01 PM, in article
> >>>> 20121020070042....@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
>
> >>>>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
> >>>>>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
> >>>>>>> Telephone and Tablet world.
>
> >>>>>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>
> >>>>> Not what he said.
>
> >>>> "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
>
> >>>> How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
> >>>> tablets?
>
> >>> Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.
>
> >>> Blind a bit?
>
> >> No, prejudiced.
>
> > No, just not interested in splitting hairs.
>
> This is not splitting hairs. This is the market that Microsoft has been
> trying for, but they are still a no show.

There is that too.  The general pattern for the Android tablet market
has been a couple hundred product launches of a million or so units
each, with nearly all of them utterly gone from the market within six
months.  There's been a little bit of headway by Samsung & HTC, but it
is weak in comparison to the progress made by the eBook readers.



> For the moment, Apple still has dominance in the Table market, but I am
> not sure for how much longer.

Agree with both parts, although I will point out that TomB claimed
that you said something different for the first part :-)


> China is producing huge numbers of Android
> tablets currently for the home market. It is only a matter of time
> before the rest of the world becomes flooded with these devices.

True, but only if the larger market is willing to tolerate 'junk'.  If
we look at the netbook market, the implications from that would
suggest that such an effort would be transient, but I don't
necessarily believe it to be so.  The broader question will be what
happens in the more affluent Western-centric markets, since that's
where there's greater opportunities for turning bigger profits.  The
other aspect that goes along with this is if the Android(TM)
marketplace will finally get itself sorted out in terms of lifecycle
support as OS updates transpire...there seems to be a lot of stuff
that's mired in circa "version 2.3" land.


-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/20/2012 10:37:06 PM

On 10/20/12 10:15 AM, in article aeg4i6Fluu0U1@mid.individual.net, "Ian
Hilliard" <nospam@nospam.org> wrote:

> On 20/10/12 18:03, Snit wrote:
>> On 10/20/12 3:36 AM, in article k5tur8$vso$1@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahlstrom"
>> <admin@cyberbully.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>> 
>>>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>>> On 10/19/12 10:01 PM, in article
>>>>> 20121020070042.849@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
>>>>>>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
>>>>>>>> Telephone and Tablet world.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not what he said.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
>>>>> 
>>>>> How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
>>>>> tablets?
>>>> 
>>>> Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.
>>>> 
>>>> Blind a bit?
>>> 
>>> No, prejudiced.
>> 
>> No, just not interested in splitting hairs.
>> 
> This is not splitting hairs. This is the market that Microsoft has been
> trying for, but they are still a no show.

They have been trying to get into the tablet market... but it is not as if
their are two different markets, one for single-vender tablets and one for
multi-tablet.

> For the moment, Apple still has dominance in the Table market, but I am
> not sure for how much longer. China is producing huge numbers of Android
> tablets currently for the home market. It is only a matter of time
> before the rest of the world becomes flooded with these devices.

I would expect this as well, though Apple is likely to put out a smaller /
cheaper iPad to keep their dominance, in the end the market will grow faster
than their sales.


-- 
"I have never, ever cared about really anything but the Linux desktop."
-- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/20/2012 11:35:12 PM

On 10/20/12 3:37 PM, in article
b677b6b0-7a90-4fe7-8f71-bb7c2977c7a3@s14g2000vba.googlegroups.com, "-hh"
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

> On Oct 20, 1:15�pm, Ian Hilliard <nos...@nospam.org> wrote:
>> On 20/10/12 18:03, Snit wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/20/12 3:36 AM, in article k5tur8$vs...@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahlstrom"
>>> <ad...@cyberbully.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>> 
>>>>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>>>> On 10/19/12 10:01 PM, in article
>>>>>> 20121020070042....@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed.
>>>>>>>>> Android, which has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor
>>>>>>>>> Telephone and Tablet world.
>> 
>>>>>>>> Android "owns" the tablet world?
>> 
>>>>>>> Not what he said.
>> 
>>>>>> "Android ... owns the ... Tablet world."
>> 
>>>>>> How else do you interpret his comments about Android in relation to
>>>>>> tablets?
>> 
>>>>> Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world.
>> 
>>>>> Blind a bit?
>> 
>>>> No, prejudiced.
>> 
>>> No, just not interested in splitting hairs.
>> 
>> This is not splitting hairs. This is the market that Microsoft has been
>> trying for, but they are still a no show.
> 
> There is that too.  The general pattern for the Android tablet market
> has been a couple hundred product launches of a million or so units
> each, with nearly all of them utterly gone from the market within six
> months.  There's been a little bit of headway by Samsung & HTC, but it
> is weak in comparison to the progress made by the eBook readers.
> 
> 
> 
>> For the moment, Apple still has dominance in the Table market, but I am
>> not sure for how much longer.
> 
> Agree with both parts, although I will point out that TomB claimed
> that you said something different for the first part :-)

Good point.  Wonder if TomB will ever admit to his error.

>> China is producing huge numbers of Android
>> tablets currently for the home market. It is only a matter of time
>> before the rest of the world becomes flooded with these devices.
> 
> True, but only if the larger market is willing to tolerate 'junk'.  If
> we look at the netbook market, the implications from that would
> suggest that such an effort would be transient, but I don't
> necessarily believe it to be so.  The broader question will be what
> happens in the more affluent Western-centric markets, since that's
> where there's greater opportunities for turning bigger profits.  The
> other aspect that goes along with this is if the Android(TM)
> marketplace will finally get itself sorted out in terms of lifecycle
> support as OS updates transpire...there seems to be a lot of stuff
> that's mired in circa "version 2.3" land.
> 
> 
> -hh



-- 
"I have never, ever cared about really anything but the Linux desktop."
-- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/20/2012 11:36:33 PM

On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
> On Oct 20, 1:15 pm, Ian Hilliard <nos...@nospam.org> wrote:

8<

>> For the moment, Apple still has dominance in the Table market, but
>> I am not sure for how much longer.
>
> Agree with both parts, although I will point out that TomB claimed
> that you said something different for the first part :-)

Uh? Not at all. It is exactly how I understood his comment. It's you
who misread it at first.
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Reply tommy.bongaerts (5594) 10/21/2012 7:39:48 AM

On 10/21/12 12:39 AM, in article 20121021093413.103@usenet.drumscum.be,
"TomB" <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
>> On Oct 20, 1:15�pm, Ian Hilliard <nos...@nospam.org> wrote:
> 
> 8<
> 
>>> For the moment, Apple still has dominance in the Table market, but
>>> I am not sure for how much longer.
>> 
>> Agree with both parts, although I will point out that TomB claimed
>> that you said something different for the first part :-)
> 
> Uh? Not at all. It is exactly how I understood his comment. It's you
> who misread it at first.

The whole idea that somehow there are two tablet markets split between
single-vender and multi-vender OSs was absurd.


-- 
"But I have never, ever even run a Linux server and I don't even want
to; it's not what I'm interested in. I'm more of a desktop guy."
-- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/21/2012 7:54:14 AM

On 20/10/12 20:44, Hadron wrote:
> Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> writes:
>
>> On 20/10/12 02:14, DFS wrote:
>>> On 10/19/2012 4:43 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>> On 15/10/12 05:19, DFS wrote:
>>>>> On 10/7/2012 1:03 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
>>>>>> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> heh!  In 2012, Linux is still all about tape and bubble gum and
>>>>> amateurish hacks.
>>>>>
>>>>> MS is doomed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
>>>>>> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>>>>>
>>>>>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>>>>>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So now a distro is an operating system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotcha.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's kinda like the Keith Curtis moron said: "in the free software
>>>>> world, the definition of a PC operating system completely changes"
>>>>
>>>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging
>>>> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its
>>>> eye on the game.
>>>
>>> How moronic are you, bozo?
>>>
>>> MS has set sales records in 24 of the last 25 years they've been in
>>> business.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, which
>>>> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet world.
>>>> Linux owns the HPC world has a large chunk of the server world and is
>>>> everywhere from submarines to space.
>>>
>>> Figures you hadn't heard the news: MS has produced embedded,
>>> phone/tablet, server and HPC products for years and years.
>>>
>> Like with most things from MS, they suck.
>> For a while, MS was able to sell the idea of Windows for embedded by convincing
>> middle managers that you can do embedded programming with cheap Windows
>> programmers. The result was bad code on a horrible platform.
>>
>> There are still some legacy systems about, but Windows embedded was a failed
>> experiment.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Microsoft still owns the Desktop. The bad news for Microsoft is that the
>>>> desktop is becoming a niche market.
>>>
>>> 600,000,000 sales of Win7 over the last 3 years is a 'niche market'?
>>> Well, if you're a desperate, deluded MS-hater I guess...
>>>
>>
>> As Microsoft sell more licenses than PCs that are manufactured, it is not hard
>> to get big numbers. It is however still a niche market. I read that last quarter
>> there were more tablet computers sold in the world than PCs.
>>
>> The PC is rapidly becoming a niche product and the PC is the only place where MS
>> can use their legacy to make the big money. Microsoft does not control any other
>> market.
>
>
> Are you really such an idiot as your posts suggest? Less PCs might be
> selling, the tablets are undoubtedly a success, but tablets are not
> replacing dekstop PCs at home or in the office. They complement them.
>

What a surprise, Hadron starts a message with abuse.

Tablets are taking the consumer market, where people are replacing their 
desktops and laptops with tablets. The corporate market is very much 
more conservative, but I am seeing a lot of pressure for people to be 
permitted to bring their own devices.

It is going to be interesting when WinXP support is dropped, because the 
IT department is still not able to get all the corporate applications to 
run on Win7. What looks like it is going to happen is that more 
applications will be moved to the Citrix servers. These can be accessed 
by Android tablets.

The alternative is to move to the web version of more applications. 
These can also be used by tablets. I am not sure how long it will take, 
but there is change in the air. I suggest that all you MS 
TrueBelievers(TM) start adding some Linux, Android, OSX and IOS 
knowledge to your skill set. It will be needed.

When I say knowledge, I mean knowledge of how to use these operating 
systems, not knowledge of how to rail against them, like Don Quixote 
tilting against windmills.

Ian
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Reply nospam30 (871) 10/21/2012 11:38:28 AM

Ian Hilliard wrote:

> On 20/10/12 20:44, Hadron wrote:
>> Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> writes:
>>
>>> On 20/10/12 02:14, DFS wrote:
>>>> On 10/19/2012 4:43 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>> On 15/10/12 05:19, DFS wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/7/2012 1:03 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The machine
>>>>>>> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> heh!  In 2012, Linux is still all about tape and bubble gum and
>>>>>> amateurish hacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MS is doomed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
>>>>>>> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>>>>>>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So now a distro is an operating system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gotcha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's kinda like the Keith Curtis moron said: "in the free software
>>>>>> world, the definition of a PC operating system completely changes"
>>>>>
>>>>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging
>>>>> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its
>>>>> eye on the game.
>>>>
>>>> How moronic are you, bozo?
>>>>
>>>> MS has set sales records in 24 of the last 25 years they've been in
>>>> business.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android, which
>>>>> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet world.
>>>>> Linux owns the HPC world has a large chunk of the server world and is
>>>>> everywhere from submarines to space.
>>>>
>>>> Figures you hadn't heard the news: MS has produced embedded,
>>>> phone/tablet, server and HPC products for years and years.
>>>>
>>> Like with most things from MS, they suck.
>>> For a while, MS was able to sell the idea of Windows for embedded by convincing
>>> middle managers that you can do embedded programming with cheap Windows
>>> programmers. The result was bad code on a horrible platform.
>>>
>>> There are still some legacy systems about, but Windows embedded was a failed
>>> experiment.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft still owns the Desktop. The bad news for Microsoft is that the
>>>>> desktop is becoming a niche market.
>>>>
>>>> 600,000,000 sales of Win7 over the last 3 years is a 'niche market'?
>>>> Well, if you're a desperate, deluded MS-hater I guess...
>>>>
>>>
>>> As Microsoft sell more licenses than PCs that are manufactured, it is not hard
>>> to get big numbers. It is however still a niche market. I read that last quarter
>>> there were more tablet computers sold in the world than PCs.
>>>
>>> The PC is rapidly becoming a niche product and the PC is the only place where MS
>>> can use their legacy to make the big money. Microsoft does not control any other
>>> market.
>>
>>
>> Are you really such an idiot as your posts suggest? Less PCs might be
>> selling, the tablets are undoubtedly a success, but tablets are not
>> replacing dekstop PCs at home or in the office. They complement them.
>>
>
> What a surprise, Hadron starts a message with abuse.

Nothing new there.

> Tablets are taking the consumer market, where people are replacing their 
> desktops and laptops with tablets. The corporate market is very much 
> more conservative, but I am seeing a lot of pressure for people to be 
> permitted to bring their own devices.
>
> It is going to be interesting when WinXP support is dropped, because the 
> IT department is still not able to get all the corporate applications to 
> run on Win7. What looks like it is going to happen is that more 
> applications will be moved to the Citrix servers. These can be accessed 
> by Android tablets.
>
> The alternative is to move to the web version of more applications. 
> These can also be used by tablets. I am not sure how long it will take, 
> but there is change in the air. I suggest that all you MS 
> TrueBelievers(TM) start adding some Linux, Android, OSX and IOS 
> knowledge to your skill set. It will be needed.
>
> When I say knowledge, I mean knowledge of how to use these operating 
> systems, not knowledge of how to rail against them, like Don Quixote 
> tilting against windmills.

Or Hadron's anti-FLOSS rants.

-- 
XPN :: http://xpn.altervista.org


Scientific-Linux 6.3 64-bit.
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Reply wp2061 (3218) 10/21/2012 12:29:04 PM

After swilling some grog, Ian Hilliard belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 20/10/12 20:44, Hadron wrote:
>> Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> writes:
>
>>> As Microsoft sell more licenses than PCs that are manufactured, it
>>> is not hard to get big numbers. It is however still a niche market.
>>> I read that last quarter there were more tablet computers sold in
>>> the world than PCs.
>>>
>>> The PC is rapidly becoming a niche product and the PC is the only
>>> place where MS can use their legacy to make the big money. Microsoft
>>> does not control any other market.
>>
>> Are you really such an idiot as your posts suggest? Less PCs might be
>> selling, the tablets are undoubtedly a success, but tablets are not
>> replacing dekstop PCs at home or in the office. They complement them.
>
> What a surprise, Hadron starts a message with abuse.
>
> Tablets are taking the consumer market, where people are replacing their 
> desktops and laptops with tablets. The corporate market is very much 
> more conservative, but I am seeing a lot of pressure for people to be 
> permitted to bring their own devices.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bring_your_own_device

   Bring your own device (BYOD) is a business policy of employees
   bringing personally owned mobile devices to their place of work and
   using those devices to access privileged company resources such as
   email, file servers and databases as well as their personal
   applications and data.[1]

   Some prefer the terms bring your own technology (BYOT) or bring your
   own behaviour (BYOB), because they express a broader phenomenon,
   which not only covers the hardware device(s), but also the software
   used on the device (e.g. web browser, media player, antivirus, word
   processor).[2]

> It is going to be interesting when WinXP support is dropped, because the 
> IT department is still not able to get all the corporate applications to 
> run on Win7. What looks like it is going to happen is that more 
> applications will be moved to the Citrix servers.

For the love of God, your applications are doomed, Ian.  I was in a
meeting where someone brought up some new application that everyone
would "need" to run.  As soon as that person mentioned that it would run
over Citrix, one of the big-wigs mentioned "Well, that kills that idea."

And I agree. Citrix is garbage.  The servers are garbage, the clients
are garbage.

> These can be accessed by Android tablets.
>
> The alternative is to move to the web version of more applications. 
> These can also be used by tablets. I am not sure how long it will take, 
> but there is change in the air. I suggest that all you MS 
> TrueBelievers(TM) start adding some Linux, Android, OSX and IOS 
> knowledge to your skill set. It will be needed.

Indeed.  Even in our Windows-centric world at work.  Times are
a-changing.

   http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2011/09/15/why-microsoft-8-doesnt-matter/

   Why Microsoft 8 doesn’t matter
   September 15th, 2011
   Daniel Eran Dilger

   Unlearned lessons from Vista

> When I say knowledge, I mean knowledge of how to use these operating 
> systems, not knowledge of how to rail against them, like Don Quixote 
> tilting against windmills.

Windmills?  "Hadron" is more concerned with "cream".

-- 
Chris, is that you being cradled in sMartis's hands to see if Roy is
putting its cream on down in sMarti's man trap before another "hackwerk"
shoot?
http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Buffalo_Bill_Precious.jpg
We need to know.. The mutt sure seems all "interested" and weenie
like...  *chuckle*
   -- "Hadron" <hsfwnx114b.fsf@news.eternal-september.org>
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Reply admin45 (1212) 10/21/2012 12:36:18 PM

On Oct 21, 3:40=A0am, TomB <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
>
> > On Oct 20, 1:15=A0pm, Ian Hilliard <nos...@nospam.org> wrote:
>
> 8<
>
> >> For the moment, Apple still has dominance in the Table market, but
> >> I am not sure for how much longer.
>
> > Agree with both parts, although I will point out that TomB claimed
> > that you said something different for the first part :-)
>
> Uh? Not at all.  It is exactly how I understood his comment.

Unfortunately, your prior posts **explicitly** state the opposite:

   "Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world."
        - TomB, at 5:38am on Oct 20, 2012


> It's you who misread it at first.

Sorry, but that's an untruth too.



I had come to expect better from you, Tom.
Disappointed,

-hh





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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/21/2012 12:47:54 PM

On Oct 21, 8:36=A0am, Chris Ahlstrom <ad...@cyberbully.com> wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Ian Hilliard belched this bit o' wisdom:
> ...
> > Tablets are taking the consumer market, where people are replacing thei=
r
> > desktops and laptops with tablets. The corporate market is very much
> > more conservative, but I am seeing a lot of pressure for people to be
> > permitted to bring their own devices.
>
> =A0 =A0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bring_your_own_device
>
> =A0 =A0Bring your own device (BYOD) is a business policy of employees
> =A0 =A0bringing personally owned mobile devices to their place of work an=
d
> =A0 =A0using those devices to access privileged company resources such as
> =A0 =A0email, file servers and databases as well as their personal
> =A0 =A0applications and data.[1]
>
> =A0 =A0Some prefer the terms bring your own technology (BYOT) or bring yo=
ur
> =A0 =A0own behaviour (BYOB), because they express a broader phenomenon,
> =A0 =A0which not only covers the hardware device(s), but also the softwar=
e
> =A0 =A0used on the device (e.g. web browser, media player, antivirus, wor=
d
> =A0 =A0processor).[2]


BYOD is already emerging in some businesses, and it has a particularly
dark side:  the Terms of Use agreement from the business to place
one's personal device on their corporate network includes giving them
root access and the right for them to see (scan) absolutely everything
on said personal device...ie, all of your personal stuff.

In addition, BYOD as it is being implemented typically isn't giving
the employee any compensation for the BYOD.  As such, the company
figuratively gets "Free Hardware" given to them, which lets them
reduce their IT overhead budget.

BTW, guess what happens if your BYOD device breaks down?
Specifically, who pays for its repair?


In other words, the future terms of employment for BYOD is that the
employee has to provide his own IT hardware tools, including their
maintenance, and will be subject to having its private contents
regularly searched by a 'big brother' employer.



YMMV, but my wife & I have already decided that if our businesses go
BYOD, we're going to stick with the employer's hardware for as long as
they'll provide it, and after that point, we'll buy dedicated 'work'
machines rather than to compromise our privacy.  Regardless of the OS,
with granting root access, even a strategy of partitioning a machine
to have two user accounts isn't adequate firewalling.



-hh
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Reply recscuba_google (4962) 10/21/2012 12:57:04 PM

On 2012-10-21, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
> On Oct 21, 3:40 am, TomB <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of -hh:
>>
>> > On Oct 20, 1:15 pm, Ian Hilliard <nos...@nospam.org> wrote:
>>
>> 8<
>>
>> >> For the moment, Apple still has dominance in the Table market, but
>> >> I am not sure for how much longer.
>>
>> > Agree with both parts, although I will point out that TomB claimed
>> > that you said something different for the first part :-)
>>
>> Uh? Not at all.  It is exactly how I understood his comment.
>
> Unfortunately, your prior posts **explicitly** state the opposite:
>
>    "Android owns the *multi-vendor* tablet world."
>         - TomB, at 5:38am on Oct 20, 2012

Yes, that's what Ian said. And it was to say that with the exception
of Apple's iPad, Android dominates the tablet market.

>> It's you who misread it at first.
>
> Sorry, but that's an untruth too.

It was you who initially missed the 'multi-vendor' bit, or at least
failed to understand what Ian meant with that.

But whatever really. Not interested in a meta-discussion.

> I had come to expect better from you, Tom.
> Disappointed,

Gee, I'm all tears now!
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Reply tommy.bongaerts (5594) 10/21/2012 5:57:46 PM

On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:

8<

> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
> very, very tiny.

So?
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Reply tommy.bongaerts (5594) 10/21/2012 5:59:10 PM

After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
> 8<
>
>> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
>> very, very tiny.
>
> So?

So it may not even be true.  I'll bet more people make a conscious
choice to use Linux than make a conscious choice to use Windows.

-- 
Q:	What do you get when you cross the Godfather with an attorney?
A:	An offer you can't understand.
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Reply admin45 (1212) 10/21/2012 6:11:21 PM

On 10/21/12 10:59 AM, in article 20121021195839.855@usenet.drumscum.be,
"TomB" <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> 
> 8<
> 
>> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
>> very, very tiny.
> 
> So?

While it is not a big deal and I already called him on it not being relevant
to the topic - it does show the Linux "brand" is not one that is well known
and respected. If it was people would seek it out, as they do products from
competing sources. Then again, "Android" is well known and respected (as are
Nook, Kindle, etc.), and that is just as important.


-- 
"In fact, the main goal of Linux might be called usability... the most
important thing is that it works well and people ... want to use it."
-- Linus Torvalds

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Reply usenet2 (47892) 10/21/2012 6:12:51 PM

On Oct 21, 12:12=A0pm, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/21/12 10:59 AM, in article 20121021195839....@usenet.drumscum.be,
>
> "TomB" <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
> > 8<
>
> >> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
> >> very, very tiny.
>
> > So?
>
> While it is not a big deal and I already called him on it not being relev=
ant
> to the topic - it does show the Linux "brand" is not one that is well kno=
wn
> and respected.

The Linux "brand" is not "respected"? What kind of crack are you
smoking? While desktop Linux' marketshare numbers are low, Linux, as a
"brand", is definitely "respected" in the computer industry.

> If it was people would seek it out, as they do products from
> competing sources. Then again, "Android" is well known and respected

Put your crack pipe down, Snit, you've obviously had enough ;)
0
Reply fretwizzer (2810) 10/21/2012 6:49:22 PM

On Oct 21, 11:12=A0am, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 10/21/12 10:59 AM, in article 20121021195839....@usenet.drumscum.be,
>
> "TomB" <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
> > 8<
>
> >> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
> >> very, very tiny.
>
> > So?
>
> While it is not a big deal and I already called him on it not being relev=
ant
> to the topic - it does show the Linux "brand" is not one that is well kno=
wn
> and respected. If it was people would seek it out, as they do products fr=
om
> competing sources. Then again, "Android" is well known and respected (as =
are
> Nook, Kindle, etc.), and that is just as important.

What happened to your claim that Nook and Kindle are not Linux?

0
Reply stevecarrroll (388) 10/21/2012 6:58:55 PM

On Oct 21, 11:58=A0am, Steve Carroll <stevecarrr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 21, 11:12=A0am, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10/21/12 10:59 AM, in article 20121021195839....@usenet.drumscum.be,
>
> > "TomB" <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
> > > 8<
>
> > >> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
> > >> very, very tiny.
>
> > > So?
>
> > While it is not a big deal and I already called him on it not being rel=
evant
> > to the topic - it does show the Linux "brand" is not one that is well k=
nown
> > and respected. If it was people would seek it out, as they do products =
from
> > competing sources. Then again, "Android" is well known and respected (a=
s are
> > Nook, Kindle, etc.), and that is just as important.
>
> What happened to your claim that Nook and Kindle are not Linux?

stevecarroll@gmail.com - forgery (Snit)
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Reply fretwizzen (406) 10/21/2012 7:05:03 PM

On Oct 21, 11:49=A0am, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 21, 12:12=A0pm, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> > On 10/21/12 10:59 AM, in article 20121021195839....@usenet.drumscum.be,
>
> > "TomB" <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
> > > 8<
>
> > >> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
> > >> very, very tiny.
>
> > > So?
>
> > While it is not a big deal and I already called him on it not being rel=
evant
> > to the topic - it does show the Linux "brand" is not one that is well k=
nown
> > and respected.
>
> The Linux "brand" is not "respected"? What kind of crack are you
> smoking? While desktop Linux' marketshare numbers are low, Linux, as a
> "brand", is definitely "respected" in the computer industry.
>
> > If it was people would seek it out, as they do products from
> > competing sources. Then again, "Android" is well known and respected
>
> Put your crack pipe down, Snit, you've obviously had enough ;)

Oh fick! Frack! Fuck! I missed the context that you were talking about
the consumer market and not the computer industry. My hatred for you
complete overwhelmed me again and lead to me making a complete and
total ass of myself again. Sorry Snit.
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Reply fretwizzen (406) 10/21/2012 7:06:41 PM

On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:38:28 +0200, Ian Hilliard wrote:

> It is going to be interesting when WinXP support is dropped, because the
> IT department is still not able to get all the corporate applications to
> run on Win7. What looks like it is going to happen is that more
> applications will be moved to the Citrix servers. These can be accessed
> by Android tablets.

It's amazing how many corporations are still using XP -- after all these 
years. What is it, a ten or eleven year-old OS?

-- 
RonB
Using Linux Mint Mate 13
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Reply ronb02noSPAM (7426) 10/21/2012 7:42:45 PM

On Oct 21, 1:06=A0pm, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 21, 11:49=A0am, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 21, 12:12=A0pm, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 10/21/12 10:59 AM, in article 20121021195839....@usenet.drumscum.b=
e,
>
> > > "TomB" <tommy.bongae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
> > > > 8<
>
> > > >> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
> > > >> very, very tiny.
>
> > > > So?
>
> > > While it is not a big deal and I already called him on it not being r=
elevant
> > > to the topic - it does show the Linux "brand" is not one that is well=
 known
> > > and respected.
>
> > The Linux "brand" is not "respected"? What kind of crack are you
> > smoking? While desktop Linux' marketshare numbers are low, Linux, as a
> > "brand", is definitely "respected" in the computer industry.
>
> > > If it was people would seek it out, as they do products from
> > > competing sources. Then again, "Android" is well known and respected
>
> > Put your crack pipe down, Snit, you've obviously had enough ;)
>
> Oh fick! Frack! Fuck! I missed the context that you were talking about
> the consumer market and not the computer industry.

Uh... gluehead? Linux is respected in both of these... as even you
pointed out when you mentioned Android (a Linux based OS). Now put
that pipe down ;)
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Reply fretwizzer (2810) 10/21/2012 7:56:21 PM

On 10/21/2012 7:38 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
> On 20/10/12 20:44, Hadron wrote:
>> Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> writes:
>>
>>> On 20/10/12 02:14, DFS wrote:
>>>> On 10/19/2012 4:43 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>> On 15/10/12 05:19, DFS wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/7/2012 1:03 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For my desktop, it absolutely flies on a 2.5GHz processor. The
>>>>>>> machine
>>>>>>> is about three years old now and hangs on the back of the monitor,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> heh!  In 2012, Linux is still all about tape and bubble gum and
>>>>>> amateurish hacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MS is doomed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> thanks to Linux there is no need to upgrade. It is a great little
>>>>>>> powerhouse and does everything that I need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My thanks go to all the people who have made Linux and in particular
>>>>>>> Linux Mint such a great operating system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So now a distro is an operating system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gotcha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's kinda like the Keith Curtis moron said: "in the free software
>>>>>> world, the definition of a PC operating system completely changes"
>>>>>
>>>>> You really don't have a clue. Microsoft has been so fixated on gouging
>>>>> every last cent it can from its legacy technology, it didn't keep its
>>>>> eye on the game.
>>>>
>>>> How moronic are you, bozo?
>>>>
>>>> MS has set sales records in 24 of the last 25 years they've been in
>>>> business.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Linux/GNU/X own the embedded world where a GUI is needed. Android,
>>>>> which
>>>>> has Linux at its core, owns the multi-vendor Telephone and Tablet
>>>>> world.
>>>>> Linux owns the HPC world has a large chunk of the server world and is
>>>>> everywhere from submarines to space.
>>>>
>>>> Figures you hadn't heard the news: MS has produced embedded,
>>>> phone/tablet, server and HPC products for years and years.
>>>>
>>> Like with most things from MS, they suck.
>>> For a while, MS was able to sell the idea of Windows for embedded by
>>> convincing
>>> middle managers that you can do embedded programming with cheap Windows
>>> programmers. The result was bad code on a horrible platform.
>>>
>>> There are still some legacy systems about, but Windows embedded was a
>>> failed
>>> experiment.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft still owns the Desktop. The bad news for Microsoft is
>>>>> that the
>>>>> desktop is becoming a niche market.
>>>>
>>>> 600,000,000 sales of Win7 over the last 3 years is a 'niche market'?
>>>> Well, if you're a desperate, deluded MS-hater I guess...
>>>>
>>>
>>> As Microsoft sell more licenses than PCs that are manufactured, it is
>>> not hard
>>> to get big numbers. It is however still a niche market. I read that
>>> last quarter
>>> there were more tablet computers sold in the world than PCs.
>>>
>>> The PC is rapidly becoming a niche product and the PC is the only
>>> place where MS
>>> can use their legacy to make the big money. Microsoft does not
>>> control any other
>>> market.
>>
>>
>> Are you really such an idiot as your posts suggest? Less PCs might be
>> selling, the tablets are undoubtedly a success, but tablets are not
>> replacing dekstop PCs at home or in the office. They complement them.
>>
>
> What a surprise, Hadron starts a message with abuse.

Better than starting a message with idiocy, like you and the "advocates" 
always do.



> Tablets are taking the consumer market, where people are replacing their
> desktops and laptops with tablets. The corporate market is very much
> more conservative, but I am seeing a lot of pressure for people to be
> permitted to bring their own devices.
>
> It is going to be interesting when WinXP support is dropped, because the
> IT department is still not able to get all the corporate applications to
> run on Win7. What looks like it is going to happen is that more
> applications will be moved to the Citrix servers. These can be accessed
> by Android tablets.

uh huh... sure it "looks like it is going to happen"... in your 
imagination.  This is a classic Rex Ballard fantasy - it practically 
NEVER happens in real life, of course.



> The alternative is to move to the web version of more applications.
> These can also be used by tablets. I am not sure how long it will take,
> but there is change in the air. I suggest that all you MS
> TrueBelievers(TM) start adding some Linux, Android, OSX and IOS
> knowledge to your skill set. It will be needed.

You're as deluded as ever, babbling the same fantasies year after year 
after year.  Just like that babbling idiot Fraud 7.

It's like this: in the same way that PCs running Linux never have and 
never will be replacing Windows desktops at corporations, tablets 
running Android or iOS will NOT be replacing Windows desktops at 
corporations



> When I say knowledge, I mean knowledge of how to use these operating
> systems, not knowledge of how to rail against them, like Don Quixote
> tilting against windmills.

Why would we need Linux, Android, OSX or iOS knowledge?  It won't be 
needed in corporate jobs (for those here that have them).


0
Reply nospam2091 (10004) 10/22/2012 1:44:57 AM

On 10/21/2012 2:11 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>
>> 8<
>>
>>> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
>>> very, very tiny.
>>
>> So?
>
> So it may not even be true.  I'll bet more people make a conscious
> choice to use Linux than make a conscious choice to use Windows.



You're a gibbering idiot and suckup, Creepy.

You always have been - since you were a child.






0
Reply nospam2091 (10004) 10/22/2012 2:17:41 AM

On 10/21/2012 3:42 PM, RonB wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:38:28 +0200, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>
>> It is going to be interesting when WinXP support is dropped, because the
>> IT department is still not able to get all the corporate applications to
>> run on Win7. What looks like it is going to happen is that more
>> applications will be moved to the Citrix servers. These can be accessed
>> by Android tablets.
>
> It's amazing how many corporations are still using XP -- after all these
> years. What is it, a ten or eleven year-old OS?


Yep, and yet Linux slopware can't touch it.  Fact is, you can't even 
give the hobbyware away, source code or no, "Freedom" or no, etc.






0
Reply nospam2091 (10004) 10/22/2012 2:19:11 AM

Chris Ahlstrom <admin@cyberbully.com> writes:

> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>
>> 8<
>>
>>> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
>>> very, very tiny.
>>
>> So?
>
> So it may not even be true.  I'll bet more people make a conscious
> choice to use Linux than make a conscious choice to use Windows.

You'd bet what?

Oh please stop being a dickhead.

99% of home PCs un Windows give or take.

Are you REALLY trying to say less of a % choose Windows over Linux?

Grow up.

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Reply hadronquark (21814) 10/22/2012 5:17:08 AM

On 21/10/12 18:59, TomB wrote:
> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
> 8<
>
>> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
>> very, very tiny.
>
> So?
>
And the same could be said about Windows - there must be very few who C
deliberately CHOOSE to use Windows.... ;-)

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Reply gordonbparker (365) 10/23/2012 2:59:01 PM

"Gordonbp" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:aenpm1Ffj12U1@mid.individual.net...
> On 21/10/12 18:59, TomB wrote:
>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>
>> 8<
>>
>>> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
>>> very, very tiny.
>>
>> So?
>>
> And the same could be said about Windows -

What some idiot says doesn't really matter.

> there must be very few who deliberately CHOOSE to use Windows.... ;-)
>

Except for the 100's of millions of people who deliberately CHOOSE to get a 
bootleg illegal copy of Windows then install it and run it. These people 
deliberately choose to run an illegal copy of Windows instead of using Linux 
for free. These 100's of millions of users go out of their way to run 
Windows when it would actually be less trouble for them to get Linux.

So much for your idiotic claim, eh Gordo?

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tell it to for mail merge ... "

Gortard - making more BS claims about things he knows nothing about.
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0
Reply zeke1302 (4203) 10/23/2012 4:53:59 PM

"Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> writes:

> "Gordonbp" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:aenpm1Ffj12U1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 21/10/12 18:59, TomB wrote:
>>> On 2012-10-20, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>>
>>> 8<
>>>
>>>> The number of people who make a conscious choice to use Linux is
>>>> very, very tiny.
>>>
>>> So?
>>>
>> And the same could be said about Windows -
>
> What some idiot says doesn't really matter.
>
>> there must be very few who deliberately CHOOSE to use Windows.... ;-)
>>
>
> Except for the 100's of millions of people who deliberately CHOOSE to get a 
> bootleg illegal copy of Windows then install it and run it. These people 
> deliberately choose to run an illegal copy of Windows instead of using Linux 
> for free. These 100's of millions of users go out of their way to run 
> Windows when it would actually be less trouble for them to get Linux.
>
> So much for your idiotic claim, eh Gordo?

When replying to "mr definition of a PC" aka "Gortard" it's really not
necessary to mention "idiotic claim". Save bytes! The world knows that
*any claim* by Gortard is idiotic.


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