Does anyone know how to add data to a bytea in PostgreSQL?  I googled
the archives, and they mostly talk about PHP.  I'd like to put binary
data in the bytea from my local filesystem, but google comes up empty
other than using PHP.

I'm not intrested in SQL blobs, so lets focus on bytea.



--
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Mike Cox wrote:

> Does anyone know how to add data to a bytea in PostgreSQL?  I googled
> the archives, and they mostly talk about PHP.  I'd like to put binary
> data in the bytea from my local filesystem, but google comes up empty
> other than using PHP.
> 
> I'm not intrested in SQL blobs, so lets focus on bytea.
>

A bytea is just like any other data type. The only issue will be to escape
out characters which will screw up the SQL parser.

Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> would write:
> Does anyone know how to add data to a bytea in PostgreSQL?  I googled
> the archives, and they mostly talk about PHP.  I'd like to put binary
> data in the bytea from my local filesystem, but google comes up empty
> other than using PHP.

Well, you draw the data in, and then append it to the field.

tutorial=# create table ba1 (stuff bytea);
CREATE TABLE
tutorial=# insert into ba1 values ('foo');
INSERT 2749794 1
tutorial=# update ba1 set stuff = stuff || ' more stuff';
UPDATE 1
tutorial=# select * from ba1;
     stuff      
----------------
 foo more stuff
(1 row)

Your application needs to be in some language; that presumably needs
to be where the data is loaded from disk into a variable.  You would
then push the variable into the update query.

When you were googling, you mostly found PHP details; can you suggest
details about what language you're planning to use instead, be that
Perl, C, Python, Java, or such?

This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...
-- 
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http://cbbrowne.com/info/postgresql.html
"Ah,  the 20th century, when the  flight from reason crash-landed into
the slaughterhouse."  --- James Ostrowski

Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> writes:

> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> would write:
> > Does anyone know how to add data to a bytea in PostgreSQL?  I googled
> > the archives, and they mostly talk about PHP.  I'd like to put binary
> > data in the bytea from my local filesystem, but google comes up empty
> > other than using PHP.
> 
> Well, you draw the data in, and then append it to the field.

Well this is elementary stuff.  Lets say I wanted to pull a jpg into
the database from my local filesystem for example.  How would what you
just wrote help me in this regard?  I already know how to append to a
bytea from within the database and using an interface like JDBC, but
what about the psql terminal?

> tutorial=# create table ba1 (stuff bytea);
> CREATE TABLE
> tutorial=# insert into ba1 values ('foo');
> INSERT 2749794 1
> tutorial=# update ba1 set stuff = stuff || ' more stuff';
> UPDATE 1
> tutorial=# select * from ba1;
>      stuff      
> ----------------
>  foo more stuff
> (1 row)
> 
> Your application needs to be in some language; that presumably needs
> to be where the data is loaded from disk into a variable.  You would
> then push the variable into the update query.
> 
> When you were googling, you mostly found PHP details; can you suggest
> details about what language you're planning to use instead, be that
> Perl, C, Python, Java, or such?

Well I wanted to grab binary data off my filesystem directly from the
psql terminal.  Something like lo_import that is used for BLOBS or the
COPY command which is used to pull text data in.

I know how to pull data from Java and those other interfaces, but then
I'd have to get JDBC or install Apache, PHP etc.  I want to be able
to, like I posted, be able to do this within the psql terminal.
 
> This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...

There are *no* postgresql usenet newsgroups.  Not a one.  There are
mailing lists gated to the pgsql hierarchy, but one needs to subscribe
to the mailing list in order to post. Even if one elects not to get emails,
many people will email you regardless by changing some settings in
their mailing client.

The NAN moderators are dragging their feet about getting a PostgreSQL
CFV through.  So people who need help are forced to seek it where
there may be a PostgreSQL user, like in the linux group.  There is
certainly an overlap between Linux users and PostgreSQL users.

"Mike Cox" <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:m33bwdtkn0.fsf@linux.local...
> Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> writes:
>
> > Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when Mike Cox
<mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> would write:
> > > Does anyone know how to add data to a bytea in PostgreSQL?  I googled
> > > the archives, and they mostly talk about PHP.  I'd like to put binary
> > > data in the bytea from my local filesystem, but google comes up empty
> > > other than using PHP.
> >
> > Well, you draw the data in, and then append it to the field.
>
> Well this is elementary stuff.  Lets say I wanted to pull a jpg into
> the database from my local filesystem for example.  How would what you
> just wrote help me in this regard?  I already know how to append to a
> bytea from within the database and using an interface like JDBC, but
> what about the psql terminal?
>
> > tutorial=# create table ba1 (stuff bytea);
> > CREATE TABLE
> > tutorial=# insert into ba1 values ('foo');
> > INSERT 2749794 1
> > tutorial=# update ba1 set stuff = stuff || ' more stuff';
> > UPDATE 1
> > tutorial=# select * from ba1;
> >      stuff
> > ----------------
> >  foo more stuff
> > (1 row)
> >
> > Your application needs to be in some language; that presumably needs
> > to be where the data is loaded from disk into a variable.  You would
> > then push the variable into the update query.
> >
> > When you were googling, you mostly found PHP details; can you suggest
> > details about what language you're planning to use instead, be that
> > Perl, C, Python, Java, or such?
>
> Well I wanted to grab binary data off my filesystem directly from the
> psql terminal.  Something like lo_import that is used for BLOBS or the
> COPY command which is used to pull text data in.
>
> I know how to pull data from Java and those other interfaces, but then
> I'd have to get JDBC or install Apache, PHP etc.  I want to be able
> to, like I posted, be able to do this within the psql terminal.
>
> > This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...
>
> There are *no* postgresql usenet newsgroups.  Not a one.  There are
> mailing lists gated to the pgsql hierarchy, but one needs to subscribe
> to the mailing list in order to post. Even if one elects not to get
emails,
> many people will email you regardless by changing some settings in
> their mailing client.
>
> The NAN moderators are dragging their feet about getting a PostgreSQL
> CFV through.  So people who need help are forced to seek it where
> there may be a PostgreSQL user, like in the linux group.  There is
> certainly an overlap between Linux users and PostgreSQL users.

Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?

Follow-Ups Set

"True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:


> >
> > > This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...
> >
> > There are *no* postgresql usenet newsgroups.  Not a one.  There are
> > mailing lists gated to the pgsql hierarchy, but one needs to subscribe
> > to the mailing list in order to post. Even if one elects not to get
> emails,
> > many people will email you regardless by changing some settings in
> > their mailing client.
> >
> > The NAN moderators are dragging their feet about getting a PostgreSQL
> > CFV through.  So people who need help are forced to seek it where
> > there may be a PostgreSQL user, like in the linux group.  There is
> > certainly an overlap between Linux users and PostgreSQL users.
> 
> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
> 
> Follow-Ups Set

To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
Mind you a PostgreSQL group was proposed in the beginning of November
2004.  It is now February 2005, and no CFV yet.  The PQ was posted on
Jan. 9th.  I did this in response to "This isn't really a Linux
question, by the way...".  He needs to realize that the linux group is
the closest thing to a PostgreSQL support group that exists on Usenet
right now.

begin  True211 wrote:

> 
> "Mike Cox" <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote in message
< snip >
 
> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
> 
> Follow-Ups Set

Simple reason: Mike Cox, windows using retard, inserted yet another group
-- 
"Against stupidity, the very gods themselves contend in vain." 
Friedrich Schiller

Mike Cox wrote:

> Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> writes:
> 
>> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com>
>> would write:
>> > Does anyone know how to add data to a bytea in PostgreSQL?  I googled
>> > the archives, and they mostly talk about PHP.  I'd like to put binary
>> > data in the bytea from my local filesystem, but google comes up empty
>> > other than using PHP.
>> 
>> Well, you draw the data in, and then append it to the field.
> 
> Well this is elementary stuff.  Lets say I wanted to pull a jpg into
> the database from my local filesystem for example.  

My first reaction would be to say you are insane. Using a database as a file
system isn't its best used. I would store the file path and name and have a
separate volume or directory for the image. Especially if you are using
large images.


> How would what you 
> just wrote help me in this regard?  I already know how to append to a
> bytea from within the database and using an interface like JDBC, but
> what about the psql terminal?

You probably can't do it in psql unless you create a C function to read the
data in, parse it and escape the characters correctly.


> 
>> tutorial=# create table ba1 (stuff bytea);
>> CREATE TABLE
>> tutorial=# insert into ba1 values ('foo');
>> INSERT 2749794 1
>> tutorial=# update ba1 set stuff = stuff || ' more stuff';
>> UPDATE 1
>> tutorial=# select * from ba1;
>>      stuff
>> ----------------
>>  foo more stuff
>> (1 row)
>> 
>> Your application needs to be in some language; that presumably needs
>> to be where the data is loaded from disk into a variable.  You would
>> then push the variable into the update query.
>> 
>> When you were googling, you mostly found PHP details; can you suggest
>> details about what language you're planning to use instead, be that
>> Perl, C, Python, Java, or such?
> 
> Well I wanted to grab binary data off my filesystem directly from the
> psql terminal.  Something like lo_import that is used for BLOBS or the
> COPY command which is used to pull text data in.

Again, you may want to create a C sql function to do this as I don't think
the psql program includes this functionality.

Something like this:

create or replace function bytealoader(varchar)
        returns bytea
        as 'mylib.so','bytealoader'
        language 'c';

< This function can be made more efficient and better, but this is just
typing off the top of my head. >

Datum bytealoader(PG_FUNCTION_ARGS)
{
        if(fcinfo->nargs >= 1)
        {
                text *tp = PG_GETARG_TEXT_P(0);
                char *filename = (char *)VARDATA(tp);
                FILE *fi = fopen(filename);
                if(fi)
                {
                        long file_len;
                        fseek(fi, 0, SEEK_END);
                        file_len = ftell(fi);
                        fseek(fi,0,SEEK_SET);
                        p = palloc(file_len + VARHDRSZ);
                        VARATT_SIZEP(p) = file_len;
                        fread(VARDATA(p), file_len, 1, fi);
                        fclose(fi);
                        PG_RETURN_BYTEA(p);
                }
        }
        PG_RETURN_NULL;
}


> 
> I know how to pull data from Java and those other interfaces, but then
> I'd have to get JDBC or install Apache, PHP etc.  I want to be able
> to, like I posted, be able to do this within the psql terminal.

The psql terminal is designed to use a text console. Dumping binary image
data to a text screen will make a lot of noise can put a lot of jibberish
on the screen.

"Mike Cox" <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:m3y8e5s4y7.fsf@linux.local...
> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> > >
> > > > This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...
> > >
> > > There are *no* postgresql usenet newsgroups.  Not a one.  There are
> > > mailing lists gated to the pgsql hierarchy, but one needs to subscribe
> > > to the mailing list in order to post. Even if one elects not to get
> > emails,
> > > many people will email you regardless by changing some settings in
> > > their mailing client.
> > >
> > > The NAN moderators are dragging their feet about getting a PostgreSQL
> > > CFV through.  So people who need help are forced to seek it where
> > > there may be a PostgreSQL user, like in the linux group.  There is
> > > certainly an overlap between Linux users and PostgreSQL users.
> >
> > Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
> >
> > Follow-Ups Set
>
> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
> Mind you a PostgreSQL group was proposed in the beginning of November
> 2004.  It is now February 2005, and no CFV yet.  The PQ was posted on
> Jan. 9th.  I did this in response to "This isn't really a Linux
> question, by the way...".  He needs to realize that the linux group is
> the closest thing to a PostgreSQL support group that exists on Usenet
> right now.

There is already a special hierarchy for that program.  Search Google for
it.

Follow-Ups set back

Mike Cox wrote:

> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:

>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?

(snip)

> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.

And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve your 
goal just to start off.

Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later and 
have it as secure as they can make it?

B/

On 03 Feb 2005 13:34:40 -0800, Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>> >
>> > > This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...
>> >
>> > There are *no* postgresql usenet newsgroups.  Not a one.

I see 26 postgresql Usenet newsgroups on the news.individual.net Usenet
server.

<snip>

>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
>> 
>> Follow-Ups Set
>
>To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.

If I was on the NAN team, I'd see this kind of stunt (and it *is* a
stunt) as a reason to put the comp.databases.postgresql CFV on the back
burner, and concentrate on the other new group proposals currently
running instead.

<snip>

Followups set to comp.os.linux.misc only.

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Personal address (ROT-13): eboxryx -ng- wxfei -qbg- pbz
Any opinions here are mine, not ONAG's.
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"True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:

> "Mike Cox" <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:m3y8e5s4y7.fsf@linux.local...
> > "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > > This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...
> > > >
> > > > There are *no* postgresql usenet newsgroups.  Not a one.  There are
> > > > mailing lists gated to the pgsql hierarchy, but one needs to subscribe
> > > > to the mailing list in order to post. Even if one elects not to get
> > > emails,
> > > > many people will email you regardless by changing some settings in
> > > > their mailing client.
> > > >
> > > > The NAN moderators are dragging their feet about getting a PostgreSQL
> > > > CFV through.  So people who need help are forced to seek it where
> > > > there may be a PostgreSQL user, like in the linux group.  There is
> > > > certainly an overlap between Linux users and PostgreSQL users.
> > >
> > > Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
> > >
> > > Follow-Ups Set
> >
> > To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
> > Mind you a PostgreSQL group was proposed in the beginning of November
> > 2004.  It is now February 2005, and no CFV yet.  The PQ was posted on
> > Jan. 9th.  I did this in response to "This isn't really a Linux
> > question, by the way...".  He needs to realize that the linux group is
> > the closest thing to a PostgreSQL support group that exists on Usenet
> > right now.
> 
> There is already a special hierarchy for that program.  Search Google for
> it.

No there isn't.  There is a hierarchy for the mailing list people that
only MAILING LIST MEMBERS may post to.  Sure I can read the pgsql.*
hierarchy, but in order to post, I must subscribe to the mailing
list.  Is that how usenet should operate? 

So I am right, there isn't a postgresql newsgroup for usenet users to
post to.  Sure I can read the mailing list archives through google in
the pgsql.* hierarchy.  But that still means I can't post to it.  And
the only reason anyone can get the pgsql.* hierarchy through google
groups is because I complained to google groups and they added that
hierarchy.  I still have the emails google groups people sent me
confirming that they are adding the pgsql.* hierarchy because of my
request.  I literally told them that other big usenet providers have
started peering the pgsql.* hierarchy and that they should do it too.  

"Mike Cox" <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:m34qgtryf1.fsf@linux.local...
> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > "Mike Cox" <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:m3y8e5s4y7.fsf@linux.local...
> > > "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...
> > > > >
> > > > > There are *no* postgresql usenet newsgroups.  Not a one.  There
are
> > > > > mailing lists gated to the pgsql hierarchy, but one needs to
subscribe
> > > > > to the mailing list in order to post. Even if one elects not to
get
> > > > emails,
> > > > > many people will email you regardless by changing some settings in
> > > > > their mailing client.
> > > > >
> > > > > The NAN moderators are dragging their feet about getting a
PostgreSQL
> > > > > CFV through.  So people who need help are forced to seek it where
> > > > > there may be a PostgreSQL user, like in the linux group.  There is
> > > > > certainly an overlap between Linux users and PostgreSQL users.
> > > >
> > > > Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
> > > >
> > > > Follow-Ups Set
> > >
> > > To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
> > > Mind you a PostgreSQL group was proposed in the beginning of November
> > > 2004.  It is now February 2005, and no CFV yet.  The PQ was posted on
> > > Jan. 9th.  I did this in response to "This isn't really a Linux
> > > question, by the way...".  He needs to realize that the linux group is
> > > the closest thing to a PostgreSQL support group that exists on Usenet
> > > right now.
> >
> > There is already a special hierarchy for that program.  Search Google
for
> > it.
>
> No there isn't.  There is a hierarchy for the mailing list people that
> only MAILING LIST MEMBERS may post to.  Sure I can read the pgsql.*
> hierarchy, but in order to post, I must subscribe to the mailing
> list.  Is that how usenet should operate?
>
> So I am right, there isn't a postgresql newsgroup for usenet users to
> post to.  Sure I can read the mailing list archives through google in
> the pgsql.* hierarchy.  But that still means I can't post to it.  And
> the only reason anyone can get the pgsql.* hierarchy through google
> groups is because I complained to google groups and they added that
> hierarchy.  I still have the emails google groups people sent me
> confirming that they are adding the pgsql.* hierarchy because of my
> request.  I literally told them that other big usenet providers have
> started peering the pgsql.* hierarchy and that they should do it too.

Dude, are you like campaigning for NO votes or something?  If so, you are
doing all the right stuff.

**PLONK**

Follow-Ups set to comp.os.linux.misc

Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> writes:

> On 03 Feb 2005 13:34:40 -0800, Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> >"True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> > > This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...
> >> >
> >> > There are *no* postgresql usenet newsgroups.  Not a one.
> 
> I see 26 postgresql Usenet newsgroups on the news.individual.net Usenet
> server.
> 

Ok genuis, why don't you try to post to one of those 26 newsgroups on
individual.net and see what happens.  Get back to me with an apology
when you have done so.

On 03 Feb 2005 16:04:44 -0800, Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> writes:
>
>> On 03 Feb 2005 13:34:40 -0800, Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >"True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...
>> >> >
>> >> > There are *no* postgresql usenet newsgroups.  Not a one.
>> 
>> I see 26 postgresql Usenet newsgroups on the news.individual.net Usenet
>> server.
>> 
>
>Ok genuis, why don't you try to post to one of those 26 newsgroups on
>individual.net and see what happens.

I don't care about the topic; thus, I have nothing relevant to post to
them.

>     Get back to me with an apology
>when you have done so.

Are you implying that the groups don't exist and I'm lying to you?

Or are you having problems with the decades-old concept of a "gated
newsgroup"?  If that's the case, then perhaps you owe me an apology
after you've done some research on the topic.

Followups set to comp.os.linux.misc only, *again*.  Next time, they'll
be set to the killfile.

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Brian Mailman wrote:

> Mike Cox wrote:
> 
>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
> 
> (snip)
> 
>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
> 
> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve your 
> goal just to start off.
> 
> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later and 
> have it as secure as they can make it?

Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?

mlw <mlw@nospam.no> writes:

> Mike Cox wrote:
> 
> > Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> writes:
> > 
> >> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com>
> >> would write:
> >> > Does anyone know how to add data to a bytea in PostgreSQL?  I googled
> >> > the archives, and they mostly talk about PHP.  I'd like to put binary
> >> > data in the bytea from my local filesystem, but google comes up empty
> >> > other than using PHP.
> >> 
> >> Well, you draw the data in, and then append it to the field.
> > 
> > Well this is elementary stuff.  Lets say I wanted to pull a jpg into
> > the database from my local filesystem for example.  
> 
> My first reaction would be to say you are insane. Using a database as a file
> system isn't its best used. 

You are wrong about this.  I'm already using it for every text
document, html page via the COPY command.  My goal is to have a WinFS
like filesystem on linux machine.  You cannot believe how much better
having all my data stored in a database is.  I used to have my home
directory cluttered with various data. It was a complete mess.   

Now I just do an SQL search and BAM!  I get exactly what I want.  It
gets even better when you have the tsearch2 from PostgreSQL Contrib
installed.  It is like google search squared!

Now I can search for different types of critera with the speed of an
SQL database engine.

>I would store the file path and name and have a
> separate volume or directory for the image. Especially if you are using
> large images.

Nah.  I want to be able to do image matching for similar images, mp3s,
etc.  If you can specify something with the "like" command to find similar
binary data, it would be totally awesome.  WinFS on my desktop years
before Longhorn EVER comes out with it.

Adieu wrote:

> Brian Mailman wrote:
> 
>> Mike Cox wrote:
>> 
>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
>> 
>> (snip)
>> 
>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
>> 
>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve your 
>> goal just to start off.
>> 
>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later and 
>> have it as secure as they can make it?
> 
> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?

Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.

A egg would be nice.

B/

Mike Cox wrote:

> mlw <mlw@nospam.no> writes:
> 
>> Mike Cox wrote:
>> 
>> > Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> writes:
>> > 
>> >> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when Mike Cox
>> >> <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> would write:
>> >> > Does anyone know how to add data to a bytea in PostgreSQL?  I
>> >> > googled
>> >> > the archives, and they mostly talk about PHP.  I'd like to put
>> >> > binary data in the bytea from my local filesystem, but google comes
>> >> > up empty other than using PHP.
>> >> 
>> >> Well, you draw the data in, and then append it to the field.
>> > 
>> > Well this is elementary stuff.  Lets say I wanted to pull a jpg into
>> > the database from my local filesystem for example.
>> 
>> My first reaction would be to say you are insane. Using a database as a
>> file system isn't its best used.
> 
> You are wrong about this.  I'm already using it for every text
> document, html page via the COPY command.  My goal is to have a WinFS
> like filesystem on linux machine.  You cannot believe how much better
> having all my data stored in a database is.  I used to have my home
> directory cluttered with various data. It was a complete mess.

No, you just moved the clutter to a system which has fewer tools for
managing it.

> 
> Now I just do an SQL search and BAM!  I get exactly what I want.  It
> gets even better when you have the tsearch2 from PostgreSQL Contrib
> installed.  It is like google search squared!

I actually have a text search engine for Linux. It creates a full text
search index with soundex, metaphone, and logical operations. It *is* like
google for the desktop.

> 
> Now I can search for different types of critera with the speed of an
> SQL database engine.

Yes and no. Don't get me wrong, it sounds like fun, but I'm not convinced
that you are using the best tools for the desired solution. A database is
good, and there are some very cool advantages to using it the way you are,
but depending on your application, you can do much better by leaving the DB
to handle the "information" and the file system to handle the files.


> 
>>I would store the file path and name and have a
>> separate volume or directory for the image. Especially if you are using
>> large images.
> 
> Nah.  I want to be able to do image matching for similar images, mp3s,
> etc.  

Unless you are talking about the tags in the MP3 file, you need some
sophisticated (and time consuming) algorithms to do "sounds like" searches.
If you are talking about the mp3 tags, it would be trivial to store the
tags in the database along with the filename.


> If you can specify something with the "like" command to find similar 
> binary data, it would be totally awesome.  WinFS on my desktop years
> before Longhorn EVER comes out with it.

Quoth Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com>:
> Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> writes:
>
>> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> would write:
>> > Does anyone know how to add data to a bytea in PostgreSQL?  I googled
>> > the archives, and they mostly talk about PHP.  I'd like to put binary
>> > data in the bytea from my local filesystem, but google comes up empty
>> > other than using PHP.
>> 
>> Well, you draw the data in, and then append it to the field.
>
> Well this is elementary stuff.  Lets say I wanted to pull a jpg into
> the database from my local filesystem for example.  How would what
> you just wrote help me in this regard?  I already know how to append
> to a bytea from within the database and using an interface like
> JDBC, but what about the psql terminal?

There isn't any built-in in SQL, but you could do this using some
extended embedded language.  For instance, in pl/Perl, you might do...

create function pull_in_file (text) returns bytea as '
  my ($file)=@_;
  return `cat $file`;
' language plperl;

Thus, to grab a file from the database server, you'd run a query like:

  insert into sometable (filename, contents) values ('/tmp/file.jpg',
    pull_in_file('/tmp/file.jpg'));

Similar could be implemented in pl/Python, pl/sh, and such.
-- 
"cbbrowne","@","gmail.com"
http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/rdbms.html
"Robot: Mechanical apparatus designed to do the work of a man." 
-- Encyclopedia Galactica 

After takin a swig o' Arrakan spice grog, Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> belched out:
> Rob Kelk <robkelk@deadspam.com> writes:
>
>> On 03 Feb 2005 13:34:40 -0800, Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >"True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...
>> >> >
>> >> > There are *no* postgresql usenet newsgroups.  Not a one.
>> 
>> I see 26 postgresql Usenet newsgroups on the news.individual.net Usenet
>> server.

> Ok genuis, why don't you try to post to one of those 26 newsgroups
> on individual.net and see what happens.  Get back to me with an
> apology when you have done so.

They're gated versions of the mailing lists, which is of utility to
many of us irrespective of whatever you may want to make noise about.

The elimination of the corresponding "rogue" Big 8 gated newsgroups
was NECESSARY in any scheme of things where someone would want to
imagine there being PostgreSQL-specific newsgroups put _officially_ on
Usenet.

We may not be in some Panglossian "best of all possible worlds," but
we're clearly at a juncture necessary to any such transition.

For there to _become_ an Official set of such newsgroups, the steps
taken so far were necessary.

The natural NEXT step would be for a proposal to go together for a
CFV.  For them to be considered seriously requires a reasonably
dispassionate proposal, as opposed to wild hysteria.

In any case, a PostgreSQL Usenet newsgroup is liable to be a _very_
poor second choice to the active, well-populated mailing lists.
-- 
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- Only forbid that which can be made impossible.
- Facilitate the possible.
- Have the wisdom to explain the difference.
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Mike Cox wrote:

[Posting to COLA only because I know you read here, and I don't want to
bother the other group(s)]

>> This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...
>
> There are *no* postgresql usenet newsgroups.  Not a one.

There is a whole hierarchy under comp.databases.postgresql, but it's
apparently not used very much.  You know this, as you've posted numerous
offensive messages, as well as RFDs to one or more of them back in
November.  The need just isn't there, so stop stomping your feet like a
spoiled brat.

I'm beginning to think that you're a career troll.  Not only do you
regularly "work" in COLA, but you try to infect lots of other groups, as
well as spread your particular brand of nonsense to the web through
comments to articles.

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Brian Mailman wrote:

> Adieu wrote:
> 
>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike Cox wrote:
>>> 
>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
>>> 
>>> (snip)
>>> 
>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
>>> 
>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve your 
>>> goal just to start off.
>>> 
>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later and 
>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
>> 
>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
> 
> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
> 
> A egg would be nice.

Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with buttered
soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?

Adieu wrote:

> Brian Mailman wrote:
> 
>> Adieu wrote:
>> 
>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
>>>> 
>>>> (snip)
>>>> 
>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
>>>> 
>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve your 
>>>> goal just to start off.
>>>> 
>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later and 
>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
>>> 
>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
>> 
>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
>> 
>> A egg would be nice.
> 
> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with buttered
> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?

Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect balance
between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of salt.

Bugger, I'm hungry now.

Adieu wrote:
> Adieu wrote:
> > Brian Mailman wrote:
> >> Adieu wrote:
> >>> Brian Mailman wrote:
> >>>> Mike Cox wrote:
> >>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:

> >>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?

> >>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
> >>>> 
> >>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve your 
> >>>> goal just to start off.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later and 
> >>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
> >>> 
> >>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
> >> 
> >> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
> >> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
> >> 
> >> A egg would be nice.
> > 
> > Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with buttered
> > soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
> 
> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect balance
> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of salt.
> 
> Bugger, I'm hungry now.

I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
dangling out of my shorts.

tm wrote:

> Adieu wrote:
>> Adieu wrote:
>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
>>>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>>>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
> 
>>>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve your 
>>>>>> goal just to start off.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later and 
>>>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
>>>> 
>>>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
>>>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
>>>> 
>>>> A egg would be nice.
>>> 
>>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with buttered
>>> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
>> 
>> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect balance
>> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of salt.
>> 
>> Bugger, I'm hungry now.
> 
> I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
> dangling out of my shorts.

You wanna get that hernia fixed mate, contrary to popular belief having a
gonad the size of a tennis ball isn't at all appealing to us girls.

Am I right Brianna?

On 03 Feb 2005 13:34:40 -0800, Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>"True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>> >
>> > > This isn't really a Linux question, by the way...
>> >
>> > There are *no* postgresql usenet newsgroups.  Not a one.  There are
>> > mailing lists gated to the pgsql hierarchy, but one needs to subscribe
>> > to the mailing list in order to post. Even if one elects not to get
>> emails,
>> > many people will email you regardless by changing some settings in
>> > their mailing client.
>> >
>> > The NAN moderators are dragging their feet about getting a PostgreSQL
>> > CFV through.  So people who need help are forced to seek it where
>> > there may be a PostgreSQL user, like in the linux group.  There is
>> > certainly an overlap between Linux users and PostgreSQL users.
>> 
>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
>> 
>> Follow-Ups Set
>
>To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
>Mind you a PostgreSQL group was proposed in the beginning of November
>2004.  It is now February 2005, and no CFV yet.  The PQ was posted on
>Jan. 9th.  I did this in response to "This isn't really a Linux
>question, by the way...".  He needs to realize that the linux group is
>the closest thing to a PostgreSQL support group that exists on Usenet
>right now.

Do you mean that you are cross-posting to news.groups in order to
provoke the NAN moderators?

     - -    Bob McClenon

Adieu wrote:
> tm wrote:
> > Adieu wrote:
> >> Adieu wrote:
> >>> Brian Mailman wrote:
> >>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
> >>>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
> >>>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:

> >>>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
> > 
> >>>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve your 
> >>>>>> goal just to start off.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later and 
> >>>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
> >>>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
> >>>> 
> >>>> A egg would be nice.
> >>> 
> >>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with buttered
> >>> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
> >> 
> >> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect balance
> >> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of salt.
> >> 
> >> Bugger, I'm hungry now.
> > 
> > I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
> > dangling out of my shorts.
> 
> You wanna get that hernia fixed mate, contrary to popular belief having a
> gonad the size of a tennis ball isn't at all appealing to us girls.

Dude, forget your love of my balls, the real issue here is the delayed 
CVF. The news.groups thing is clearly broken and won't be fixed 
anytime soon, but wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? I subscribed to 
it for awhile, but then, like a wayward testicle, lost track of it. 
Seems like if i could find it again all my problems would be solved.

tm wrote:

> Adieu wrote:
>> tm wrote:
>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>>>>>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve your 
>>>>>>>> goal just to start off.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later and 
>>>>>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
>>>>>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A egg would be nice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with buttered
>>>>> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
>>>> 
>>>> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect balance
>>>> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of salt.
>>>> 
>>>> Bugger, I'm hungry now.
>>> 
>>> I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
>>> dangling out of my shorts.
>> 
>> You wanna get that hernia fixed mate, contrary to popular belief having a
>> gonad the size of a tennis ball isn't at all appealing to us girls.
> 
> Dude, forget your love of my balls, the real issue here is the delayed 
> CVF. The news.groups thing is clearly broken and won't be fixed 
> anytime soon, but wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? I subscribed to 
> it for awhile, but then, like a wayward testicle, lost track of it. 
> Seems like if i could find it again all my problems would be solved.

Youre not going to troll me into actually reading one of these newsgroup
threads okay, let's just stay with the current stuff, i.e. your 'nads and
boiled eggs.

Hey, did you know that an octopuses bollocks are situated on it's head?

Rob Kelk wrote:

>On 03 Feb 2005 16:04:44 -0800, Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>     Get back to me with an apology
>>when you have done so.
>
>Are you implying that the groups don't exist and I'm lying to you?
>
>Or are you having problems with the decades-old concept of a "gated
>newsgroup"?  If that's the case, then perhaps you owe me an apology
>after you've done some research on the topic.
>
>Followups set to comp.os.linux.misc only, *again*.  Next time, they'll
>be set to the killfile.

You may as well plonk him now, to spare yourself any further "Mike
Cocks" stupidity and trolling.

Adieu wrote:

> tm wrote:
> 
>> Adieu wrote:
>>> tm wrote:
>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve your 
>>>>>>>>> goal just to start off.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later and 
>>>>>>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
>>>>>>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A egg would be nice.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with buttered
>>>>>> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect balance
>>>>> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of salt.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bugger, I'm hungry now.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
>>>> dangling out of my shorts.
>>> 
>>> You wanna get that hernia fixed mate, contrary to popular belief having a
>>> gonad the size of a tennis ball isn't at all appealing to us girls.
>> 
>> Dude, forget your love of my balls, the real issue here is the delayed 
>> CVF. The news.groups thing is clearly broken and won't be fixed 
>> anytime soon, but wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? I subscribed to 
>> it for awhile, but then, like a wayward testicle, lost track of it. 
>> Seems like if i could find it again all my problems would be solved.
> 
> Youre not going to troll me into actually reading one of these newsgroup
> threads okay, let's just stay with the current stuff, i.e. your 'nads and
> boiled eggs.
> 
> Hey, did you know that an octopuses bollocks are situated on it's head?

Hold on a moment, is this you Mr Moto?
http://www.pubnix.org/~doris/Day2.html

Adieu wrote:
> Adieu wrote:
> > tm wrote:
> >> Adieu wrote:
> >>> tm wrote:
> >>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
> >>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
> >> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve 
> >>>>>>>>> your 
> >>>>>>>>> goal just to start off.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later 
> >>>>>>>>> and 
> >>>>>>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
> >>>>>>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> A egg would be nice.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with buttered
> >>>>>> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect balance
> >>>>> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of salt.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Bugger, I'm hungry now.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
> >>>> dangling out of my shorts.
> >>> 
> >>> You wanna get that hernia fixed mate, contrary to popular belief having a
> >>> gonad the size of a tennis ball isn't at all appealing to us girls.
> >> 
> >> Dude, forget your love of my balls, the real issue here is the delayed 
> >> CVF. The news.groups thing is clearly broken and won't be fixed 
> >> anytime soon, but wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? I subscribed to 
> >> it for awhile, but then, like a wayward testicle, lost track of it. 
> >> Seems like if i could find it again all my problems would be solved.
> > 
> > Youre not going to troll me into actually reading one of these newsgroup
> > threads okay, let's just stay with the current stuff, i.e. your 'nads and
> > boiled eggs.
> > 
> > Hey, did you know that an octopuses bollocks are situated on it's head?

Everyone knows that an octopus wears its ass on its chin, you would 
too if you hadn't spent your time in cafeteria groveling for gum bits 
under the table. 
 
> Hold on a moment, is this you Mr Moto?
> http://www.pubnix.org/~doris/Day2.html

It seems a rule, every 2 week visitor to Japan must write a website 
mentioning Harajuku girls, the Meguro parasite museum and Akihabara. 
Pictures of vending machines are key. That one above is an especially 
choice example of the breed. Thanks for sharing.

But, we digress. Wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? Surely we could 
put all this folderol behind us, wave goodby to the ridiculousness of 
news.groups cvfs, and saddle up into a comfy alt ng?

tm wrote:
> Adieu wrote:
>> Adieu wrote:
>>> tm wrote:
>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>> tm wrote:
>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve 
>>>>>>>>>>> your 
>>>>>>>>>>> goal just to start off.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later 
>>>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
>>>>>>>>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> A egg would be nice.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with buttered
>>>>>>>> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect balance
>>>>>>> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of salt.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bugger, I'm hungry now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
>>>>>> dangling out of my shorts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You wanna get that hernia fixed mate, contrary to popular belief having a
>>>>> gonad the size of a tennis ball isn't at all appealing to us girls.
>>>> 
>>>> Dude, forget your love of my balls, the real issue here is the delayed 
>>>> CVF. The news.groups thing is clearly broken and won't be fixed 
>>>> anytime soon, but wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? I subscribed to 
>>>> it for awhile, but then, like a wayward testicle, lost track of it. 
>>>> Seems like if i could find it again all my problems would be solved.
>>> 
>>> Youre not going to troll me into actually reading one of these newsgroup
>>> threads okay, let's just stay with the current stuff, i.e. your 'nads and
>>> boiled eggs.
>>> 
>>> Hey, did you know that an octopuses bollocks are situated on it's head?
> 
> Everyone knows that an octopus wears its ass on its chin, you would 
> too if you hadn't spent your time in cafeteria groveling for gum bits 
> under the table. 

I'm gonna wait until I'm as drunk as you before I reply to that one - gimme
a few hours.
 
>> Hold on a moment, is this you Mr Moto?
>> http://www.pubnix.org/~doris/Day2.html
> 
> It seems a rule, every 2 week visitor to Japan must write a website 
> mentioning Harajuku girls, the Meguro parasite museum and Akihabara. 
> Pictures of vending machines are key. That one above is an especially 
> choice example of the breed. Thanks for sharing.
> 
> But, we digress. Wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? Surely we could 
> put all this folderol behind us, wave goodby to the ridiculousness of 
> news.groups cvfs, and saddle up into a comfy alt ng?

I don't care, it all sucks until I get my groovy web based voting app.

In article <vlgx75f5uboc$.1bx0llchil65b.dlg@40tude.net>,
 Adieu <invalid@example.com> wrote:

> tm wrote:
> > Adieu wrote:
> >> Adieu wrote:
> >>> tm wrote:
> >>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>> tm wrote:
> >>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> CFV.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve 
> >>>>>>>>>>> your 
> >>>>>>>>>>> goal just to start off.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later 
> >>>>>>>>>>> and 
> >>>>>>>>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
> >>>>>>>>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> A egg would be nice.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with 
> >>>>>>>> buttered
> >>>>>>>> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect balance
> >>>>>>> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of salt.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Bugger, I'm hungry now.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
> >>>>>> dangling out of my shorts.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> You wanna get that hernia fixed mate, contrary to popular belief having 
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> gonad the size of a tennis ball isn't at all appealing to us girls.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Dude, forget your love of my balls, the real issue here is the delayed 
> >>>> CVF. The news.groups thing is clearly broken and won't be fixed 
> >>>> anytime soon, but wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? I subscribed to 
> >>>> it for awhile, but then, like a wayward testicle, lost track of it. 
> >>>> Seems like if i could find it again all my problems would be solved.
> >>> 
> >>> Youre not going to troll me into actually reading one of these newsgroup
> >>> threads okay, let's just stay with the current stuff, i.e. your 'nads and
> >>> boiled eggs.
> >>> 
> >>> Hey, did you know that an octopuses bollocks are situated on it's head?
> > 
> > Everyone knows that an octopus wears its ass on its chin, you would 
> > too if you hadn't spent your time in cafeteria groveling for gum bits 
> > under the table. 
> 
> I'm gonna wait until I'm as drunk as you before I reply to that one - gimme
> a few hours.

Youngster, you might as well quit now. Give your liver a rest, you'll 
never catch up.

In news.groups Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
>> 
>> Follow-Ups Set
> 
> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
> Mind you a PostgreSQL group was proposed in the beginning of November
> 2004.  It is now February 2005, and no CFV yet.  The PQ was posted on
> Jan. 9th.  I did this in response to "This isn't really a Linux
> question, by the way...".  He needs to realize that the linux group is
> the closest thing to a PostgreSQL support group that exists on Usenet
> right now.

If you think encouraging people to crosspost PostgreSQL technical
articles into news.groups will help your cause, I suspect you're mistaken.
As someone with an interest in PostgreSQL I'm inclined to vote in favor
of the group myself, but this sort of thing could very easily prompt me
to vote NO (assuming it ever comes to a vote).  Of course, you have the
option of gambling that I'm the only one who'll react that way...

-- 
Wayne Brown  (HPCC #1104)  | "When your tail's in a crack, you improvise
fwbrown@bellsouth.net      |  if you're good enough.  Otherwise you give
                           |  your pelt to the trapper."
"e^(i*pi) = -1"  -- Euler  |           -- John Myers Myers, "Silverlock"

Wayne Brown wrote:

> If you think encouraging people to crosspost PostgreSQL technical
> articles into news.groups will help your cause, I suspect you're mistaken.
> As someone with an interest in PostgreSQL I'm inclined to vote in favor
> of the group myself, but this sort of thing could very easily prompt me
> to vote NO (assuming it ever comes to a vote).  Of course, you have the
> option of gambling that I'm the only one who'll react that way...

Oh please, you may have the option of gambling that i am not the only 
one who cares less about your flamboyant outbursts, give it a rest 
already sweetheart, nobody care how you might vote.

tm wrote:

> In article <vlgx75f5uboc$.1bx0llchil65b.dlg@40tude.net>,
>  Adieu <invalid@example.com> wrote:
> 
>> tm wrote:
>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>> tm wrote:
>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>> tm wrote:
>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to news.groups?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CFV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to achieve 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> goal just to start off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or later 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
>>>>>>>>>>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> A egg would be nice.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with 
>>>>>>>>>> buttered
>>>>>>>>>> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect balance
>>>>>>>>> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of salt.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bugger, I'm hungry now.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
>>>>>>>> dangling out of my shorts.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You wanna get that hernia fixed mate, contrary to popular belief having 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> gonad the size of a tennis ball isn't at all appealing to us girls.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dude, forget your love of my balls, the real issue here is the delayed 
>>>>>> CVF. The news.groups thing is clearly broken and won't be fixed 
>>>>>> anytime soon, but wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? I subscribed to 
>>>>>> it for awhile, but then, like a wayward testicle, lost track of it. 
>>>>>> Seems like if i could find it again all my problems would be solved.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Youre not going to troll me into actually reading one of these newsgroup
>>>>> threads okay, let's just stay with the current stuff, i.e. your 'nads and
>>>>> boiled eggs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey, did you know that an octopuses bollocks are situated on it's head?
>>> 
>>> Everyone knows that an octopus wears its ass on its chin, you would 
>>> too if you hadn't spent your time in cafeteria groveling for gum bits 
>>> under the table. 
>> 
>> I'm gonna wait until I'm as drunk as you before I reply to that one - gimme
>> a few hours.
> 
> Youngster, you might as well quit now. Give your liver a rest, you'll 
> never catch up.

Still awake pops? Not passed out in a pool of your own vomit to the sounds
Judy Garland on the Karaoke machine yet? I'm just enjoying a civilised
glass of Beaujolais before I tuck into the white spirit (or aftershave,
whichever is the cheaper).

 Adieu wrote:
> tm wrote:
> >  Adieu wrote:
> >> tm wrote:
> >>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>> tm wrote:
> >>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>> tm wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news.groups?
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CFV.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> your 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> goal just to start off.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> later 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
> >>>>>>>>>>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> A egg would be nice.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with 
> >>>>>>>>>> buttered
> >>>>>>>>>> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect 
> >>>>>>>>> balance
> >>>>>>>>> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of salt.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Bugger, I'm hungry now.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
> >>>>>>>> dangling out of my shorts.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> You wanna get that hernia fixed mate, contrary to popular belief 
> >>>>>>> having 
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> gonad the size of a tennis ball isn't at all appealing to us girls.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Dude, forget your love of my balls, the real issue here is the delayed 
> >>>>>> CVF. The news.groups thing is clearly broken and won't be fixed 
> >>>>>> anytime soon, but wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? I subscribed to 
> >>>>>> it for awhile, but then, like a wayward testicle, lost track of it. 
> >>>>>> Seems like if i could find it again all my problems would be solved.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Youre not going to troll me into actually reading one of these 
> >>>>> newsgroup
> >>>>> threads okay, let's just stay with the current stuff, i.e. your 'nads 
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> boiled eggs.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Hey, did you know that an octopuses bollocks are situated on it's head?
> >>> 
> >>> Everyone knows that an octopus wears its ass on its chin, you would 
> >>> too if you hadn't spent your time in cafeteria groveling for gum bits 
> >>> under the table. 
> >> 
> >> I'm gonna wait until I'm as drunk as you before I reply to that one - 
> >> gimme
> >> a few hours.
> > 
> > Youngster, you might as well quit now. Give your liver a rest, you'll 
> > never catch up.
> 
> Still awake pops? Not passed out in a pool of your own vomit to the sounds
> Judy Garland on the Karaoke machine yet? I'm just enjoying a civilised
> glass of Beaujolais before I tuck into the white spirit (or aftershave,
> whichever is the cheaper).

Pops. I like that. I'm thinking of changing my nym to Pops. Pops 
Moero, it has a certain ring, a cadence.

tm wrote:

>  Adieu wrote:
>> tm wrote:
>>>  Adieu wrote:
>>>> tm wrote:
>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>> tm wrote:
>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>> tm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news.groups?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CFV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goal just to start off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped liver.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A egg would be nice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with 
>>>>>>>>>>>> buttered
>>>>>>>>>>>> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect 
>>>>>>>>>>> balance
>>>>>>>>>>> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of salt.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bugger, I'm hungry now.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
>>>>>>>>>> dangling out of my shorts.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You wanna get that hernia fixed mate, contrary to popular belief 
>>>>>>>>> having 
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> gonad the size of a tennis ball isn't at all appealing to us girls.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dude, forget your love of my balls, the real issue here is the delayed 
>>>>>>>> CVF. The news.groups thing is clearly broken and won't be fixed 
>>>>>>>> anytime soon, but wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? I subscribed to 
>>>>>>>> it for awhile, but then, like a wayward testicle, lost track of it. 
>>>>>>>> Seems like if i could find it again all my problems would be solved.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Youre not going to troll me into actually reading one of these 
>>>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>>>> threads okay, let's just stay with the current stuff, i.e. your 'nads 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> boiled eggs.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey, did you know that an octopuses bollocks are situated on it's head?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Everyone knows that an octopus wears its ass on its chin, you would 
>>>>> too if you hadn't spent your time in cafeteria groveling for gum bits 
>>>>> under the table. 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm gonna wait until I'm as drunk as you before I reply to that one - 
>>>> gimme
>>>> a few hours.
>>> 
>>> Youngster, you might as well quit now. Give your liver a rest, you'll 
>>> never catch up.
>> 
>> Still awake pops? Not passed out in a pool of your own vomit to the sounds
>> Judy Garland on the Karaoke machine yet? I'm just enjoying a civilised
>> glass of Beaujolais before I tuck into the white spirit (or aftershave,
>> whichever is the cheaper).
> 
> Pops. I like that. I'm thinking of changing my nym to Pops. Pops 
> Moero, it has a certain ring, a cadence.

This lot would like it, not sure how it'd go down in your usual haunts;
alt.teen, alt.pen-pal and alt.exchange-student though.

 Adieu wrote:
> tm wrote:
> >  Adieu wrote:
> >> tm wrote:
> >>>  Adieu wrote:
> >>>> tm wrote:
> >>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>> tm wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> tm wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news.groups?
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CFV.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goal just to start off.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> liver.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A egg would be nice.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> buttered
> >>>>>>>>>>>> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect 
> >>>>>>>>>>> balance
> >>>>>>>>>>> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of 
> >>>>>>>>>>> salt.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Bugger, I'm hungry now.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
> >>>>>>>>>> dangling out of my shorts.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> You wanna get that hernia fixed mate, contrary to popular belief 
> >>>>>>>>> having 
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> gonad the size of a tennis ball isn't at all appealing to us girls.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Dude, forget your love of my balls, the real issue here is the 
> >>>>>>>> delayed 
> >>>>>>>> CVF. The news.groups thing is clearly broken and won't be fixed 
> >>>>>>>> anytime soon, but wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? I subscribed to 
> >>>>>>>> it for awhile, but then, like a wayward testicle, lost track of it. 
> >>>>>>>> Seems like if i could find it again all my problems would be solved.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Youre not going to troll me into actually reading one of these 
> >>>>>>> newsgroup
> >>>>>>> threads okay, let's just stay with the current stuff, i.e. your 'nads 
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> boiled eggs.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Hey, did you know that an octopuses bollocks are situated on it's 
> >>>>>>> head?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Everyone knows that an octopus wears its ass on its chin, you would 
> >>>>> too if you hadn't spent your time in cafeteria groveling for gum bits 
> >>>>> under the table. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I'm gonna wait until I'm as drunk as you before I reply to that one - 
> >>>> gimme
> >>>> a few hours.
> >>> 
> >>> Youngster, you might as well quit now. Give your liver a rest, you'll 
> >>> never catch up.
> >> 
> >> Still awake pops? Not passed out in a pool of your own vomit to the sounds
> >> Judy Garland on the Karaoke machine yet? I'm just enjoying a civilised
> >> glass of Beaujolais before I tuck into the white spirit (or aftershave,
> >> whichever is the cheaper).
> > 
> > Pops. I like that. I'm thinking of changing my nym to Pops. Pops 
> > Moero, it has a certain ring, a cadence.
> 
> This lot would like it, not sure how it'd go down in your usual haunts;
> alt.teen, alt.pen-pal and alt.exchange-student though.

It's all about the swallowin' innit?

*followup set*

Adieu wrote:

> Brian Mailman wrote:
>> A egg would be nice.
> 
> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with buttered
> soldiers,

I haven't had that in a long time.  Next problem of course is Big Endian 
or Little Endian?  Do you have a modest proposal to solve that one?

 > maybe a mug of tea too?

Irish Breakfast, please.

B/

tm wrote:

>  Adieu wrote:
>> tm wrote:
>>>  Adieu wrote:
>>>> tm wrote:
>>>>>  Adieu wrote:
>>>>>> tm wrote:
>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>> tm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> tm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adieu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Mailman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Cox wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "True211" <true211@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is this db technical discussion crossposted to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news.groups?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CFV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And this kind of pressure on them isn't going to work to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goal just to start off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you rather have the CFV *now* and have it flawed, or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have it as secure as they can make it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian, if I cook you a fried egg will you calm down?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently, the proponent has either done the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever-so-fashionable-these-days plonk or thinks I'm chopped 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liver.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A egg would be nice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buttered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soldiers, maybe a mug of tea too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soft-boiled of course, around 4 mins I find gives the perfect 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance
>>>>>>>>>>>>> between runny yoke and firm white - and of course a pinch of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> salt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bugger, I'm hungry now.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a testicle you girls could suck on.  It's right here sorta 
>>>>>>>>>>>> dangling out of my shorts.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You wanna get that hernia fixed mate, contrary to popular belief 
>>>>>>>>>>> having 
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> gonad the size of a tennis ball isn't at all appealing to us girls.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Dude, forget your love of my balls, the real issue here is the 
>>>>>>>>>> delayed 
>>>>>>>>>> CVF. The news.groups thing is clearly broken and won't be fixed 
>>>>>>>>>> anytime soon, but wasn't there an alt postgreSQL ng? I subscribed to 
>>>>>>>>>> it for awhile, but then, like a wayward testicle, lost track of it. 
>>>>>>>>>> Seems like if i could find it again all my problems would be solved.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Youre not going to troll me into actually reading one of these 
>>>>>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>>>>>> threads okay, let's just stay with the current stuff, i.e. your 'nads 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> boiled eggs.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hey, did you know that an octopuses bollocks are situated on it's 
>>>>>>>>> head?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Everyone knows that an octopus wears its ass on its chin, you would 
>>>>>>> too if you hadn't spent your time in cafeteria groveling for gum bits 
>>>>>>> under the table. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm gonna wait until I'm as drunk as you before I reply to that one - 
>>>>>> gimme
>>>>>> a few hours.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Youngster, you might as well quit now. Give your liver a rest, you'll 
>>>>> never catch up.
>>>> 
>>>> Still awake pops? Not passed out in a pool of your own vomit to the sounds
>>>> Judy Garland on the Karaoke machine yet? I'm just enjoying a civilised
>>>> glass of Beaujolais before I tuck into the white spirit (or aftershave,
>>>> whichever is the cheaper).
>>> 
>>> Pops. I like that. I'm thinking of changing my nym to Pops. Pops 
>>> Moero, it has a certain ring, a cadence.
>> 
>> This lot would like it, not sure how it'd go down in your usual haunts;
>> alt.teen, alt.pen-pal and alt.exchange-student though.
> 
> It's all about the swallowin' innit?

Swallowing and pop-ups, that's what it's allll about.

Think the time's right to open a sex shop in Baghdad? Wanna get in there
early.

Brian Mailman wrote:

*followup unset*

> *followup set*
> 
> Adieu wrote:
>> Brian Mailman wrote:

>>> A egg would be nice.
>> 
>> Boiled, scrambled, poached or fried? I recommend boiled with buttered
>> soldiers,
> 
> I haven't had that in a long time.  Next problem of course is Big Endian 
> or Little Endian?  Do you have a modest proposal to solve that one?

Well in honour of our audience, Big Endian.

>  > maybe a mug of tea too?
> 
> Irish Breakfast, please.

Oh my god... Just go away and learn about breakfasts will ya, then come
back and tell me that your very very sorry.

tm wrote:

>  Adieu wrote:

>> Still awake pops?...
> 
> Pops. I like that. I'm thinking of changing my nym to Pops. Pops 
> Moero, it has a certain ring, a cadence.

In a James Hong Big Trouble in Little China sort of way.

B/

Mike Cox  <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[...]
>To get the NAN moderators to see the importance of issuing a CFV.
>Mind you a PostgreSQL group was proposed in the beginning of November
>2004.  It is now February 2005, and no CFV yet.  The PQ was posted on
>Jan. 9th.  I did this in response to "This isn't really a Linux
>question, by the way...".  He needs to realize that the linux group is
>the closest thing to a PostgreSQL support group that exists on Usenet
>right now.

Trolling this across the Linux groups to try and bring additional
pressure on NAN moderators is net abuse, Mike.  You owe the linux
group readers an appology.  You probably are in violation of the
terms of serivce of your news provider.

Chosing to launch a public net abuse attack in news.groups to get
the NAN moderators attention, rather than say ask nicely in public
or email to them or the UVV and ask what the holdup and status was,
is at best not well socialized behaviour.  This sort of behaviour
would get you reprimanded or terminated at work, why did you think
you needed to or would benefit from doing it here?

Do you actually care what the holdup is, why it's happening,
and what is being done to resolve it?  Or are you going to keep
throwing a tantrum across several unrelated and innocent Linux
related newsgroups?  I for one will not act to help resolve it
while you're abusing those other groups with your crossposts
of the thread.  When you can discuss this in an appropriate
and civil manner, then come back here and we can work on it.
 

-george william herbert
gherbert@retro.com

gherbert@retro.com (George William Herbert) wrote:
> Trolling this across the Linux groups to try and bring additional
> pressure on NAN moderators is net abuse, Mike.  You owe the linux
> group readers an appology.  You probably are in violation of the
> terms of serivce of your news provider.

Hmmm - bad day for you? It seems a little odd to read the above from the 
same person who (unless I missed it) not only didn't object when a thread 
was started on the Iraqi elections that was cross-posted to 
sci.geo.geology, sci.space.policy, and alt.religion.islam but actually 
contributed to it:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.geo.geology/msg/c9273720287fc7e3

Now why is it okay to post on the Iraqi elections, or the motives that 
drove the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan (on a thread whose subject 
line mentioned only the Iraqi elections), to two groups that are supposed 
to be about geology and space policy - yet not be in violation of your 
Terms of Service (TOS), while another person who posts a message 
complaining about the delay in voting on a newsgroup for a software 
application on some relevant software newsgroups would be guilty of being 
in violation of their TOS?

Would it help ease your angst if we start a discussion on whether a Sunni 
Muslim boycott of the PostgreSQL CFV would cause NASA to consider not only 
continued support of the Hubble space telecscope, but updating it to a 
real-time Linux kernel while changing its optics to use lenses ground from 
obsidian formed during the Cenozoic?

Jim Logajan  <JamesL@Lugoj.com> wrote:
>gherbert@retro.com (George William Herbert) wrote:
>> Trolling this across the Linux groups to try and bring additional
>> pressure on NAN moderators is net abuse, Mike.  You owe the linux
>> group readers an appology.  You probably are in violation of the
>> terms of serivce of your news provider.
>
>Hmmm - bad day for you? It seems a little odd to read the above from the 
>same person who (unless I missed it) not only didn't object when a thread 
>was started on the Iraqi elections that was cross-posted to 
>sci.geo.geology, sci.space.policy, and alt.religion.islam but actually 
>contributed to it:
>
>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.geo.geology/msg/c9273720287fc7e3

>Now why is it okay to post on the Iraqi elections, or the motives that 
>drove the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan (on a thread whose subject 
>line mentioned only the Iraqi elections), to two groups that are supposed 
>to be about geology and space policy - yet not be in violation of your 
>Terms of Service (TOS), while another person who posts a message 
>complaining about the delay in voting on a newsgroup for a software 
>application on some relevant software newsgroups would be guilty of being 
>in violation of their TOS?

Well.... as it happens, this is one of those convoluted cases
where it looks a lot worse than it really is.  Though, if I were
on a general crossposts are evil rampage, I would have to host my
own petard.

The person I was responding to directly appears to be a sci.geo.geology
native, though the pseudonym is marginally opaque.  (Tom <me@privacy.net>)
In that set of groups, that pseudonym appears in sci.geo.geology alone
or in xposts into it.  So presumably Tom knew what s/he was doing
in keeping the xpost going.

The posts are at least marginally on topic in alt.religion.islam,
especially given that Tom's assertion was that an incipient Islamic
uprising is why Afghanistan was invaded by the Soviet Union in 1979.

As for sci.space.policy ... "off topic" ceased to be a meaningful
term applied to the group some time ago.  I try to be better than
average on topicality there, which is not saying a whole lot.
I thought you read s.s.p, anyways.  I shouldn't have to be
telling you that...

As to the question of TOS violations; I didn't add those newsgroups
nor was I trolling nor attempting to enrage participants in other
newsgroups.  The only newsgroup in which the thread arguably is
off topic is sci.geo.geology, but a bunch of its participants
including the guy who started the thread are sci.geo.geology
regulars.  If other sci.geo.geology posters object to the
crossposts they can complain about them.  We just had a discussion
on that topic and responsibility for things you crosspost last
week in those groups...  I would stop xposting a thread to an
off topic group if its users complained.

Responding further to your last point above:
>while another person who posts a message 
>complaining about the delay in voting on a newsgroup for a software 
>application on some relevant software newsgroups would be guilty of being 
>in violation of their TOS?

That's not what happened here, Jim.  Mark trolled a relevant thread
about SQL software into news.groups .  He didn't make a complaint,
he trolled a thread in.  The thread's initiators didn't do it.
He did.  And he out and out admitted he was doing it to piss
us off, so he knew it was net abuse when he was doing it.

As I pointed out to him, he could and should have asked either
by posting to news.groups or email.  Flaming instead of asking
would have been bad.  Flaming by trolling another conversation
into news.groups in order to make a point, goes beyond bad into
extreme hostility.

>Would it help ease your angst if we start a discussion on whether a Sunni 
>Muslim boycott of the PostgreSQL CFV would cause NASA to consider not only 
>continued support of the Hubble space telecscope, but updating it to a 
>real-time Linux kernel while changing its optics to use lenses ground from 
>obsidian formed during the Cenozoic?

That's absurd.  There's no open-source implimentation of
Volcano 1.0, the obsidian-formation protocol.  Linus would never
allow non-GPLed lenses to be incorporated into the kernel,
not even for good sushi and sake.  No matter how much more
clearly you want to see the Muslim boycott from orbit,
you're going to have to stick to VXWorks, Embedded Oracle, 
and Ikonos in order to monitor the CFV.


-george william herbert
gherbert@retro.com

tm wrote:

>Oh please,

*plonk*