Does anyone know if there are any open source console mode accounts packages
available for Linux?

Mark.

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"Mark Hobley" <markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com> wrote in message
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> Does anyone know if there are any open source console mode accounts
packages
> available for Linux?

What precisely do you mean by "console mode accounts"? Any user account that
has a shell defined in its /etc/passwd entry may be accessed from the
console, and the code for that shell is certainly open source.

Greg Russell wrote:

>> Does anyone know if there are any open source console mode accounts
> packages available for Linux?

> What precisely do you mean by "console mode accounts"? Any user account that

Note the crosspost to alt.comp.software.financial , I think he means
bank accounts rather than Unix user accounts.


Harald (was confused too)

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Harald Meyer wrote:

> Greg Russell wrote:
>
>>> Does anyone know if there are any open source console mode accounts 
>>> packages available for Linux?
>>
>> What precisely do you mean by "console mode accounts"? Any user account 
>> that
>
> Note the crosspost to alt.comp.software.financial , I think he means 
> bank accounts rather than Unix user accounts.

Or perhaps even accounts payable and receivable. Double-entry bookkeeping, 
revenue recognition, general ledger, closing, all that stuff. I have no 
idea what any of that means, but it sounds even nastier than the SysV IPC 
interfaces.

tom

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In alt.comp.software.financial Greg Russell <grussell@invalid.com> wrote:
> "Mark Hobley" <markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com> wrote in message
> news:c31c77-32q.ln1@neptune.markhobley.yi.org...
> 
>> Does anyone know if there are any open source console mode accounts
> packages
>> available for Linux?
> 
> What precisely do you mean by "console mode accounts"?

Sorry, I meant accountancy packages that run in console mode (ie do not
require X11).

Mark.

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Mark Hobley wrote:
> In alt.comp.software.financial Greg Russell <grussell@invalid.com> wrote:
>> "Mark Hobley" <markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com> wrote in message
>> news:c31c77-32q.ln1@neptune.markhobley.yi.org...
>>
>>> Does anyone know if there are any open source console mode accounts
>> packages
>>> available for Linux?
>> What precisely do you mean by "console mode accounts"?
> 
> Sorry, I meant accountancy packages that run in console mode (ie do not
> require X11).
> 

Probably your best bet is to dredge up something that reliably ran on 
MSDOS 2, and run WINE, or port it.

Half of that era ran interpreted BASIC anyway..maybe there's a freeware 
of an old packahge out there..

Also there used to be at least when I was looking. many SCO UNIX 
accounting packages designed for 80x25 terminals.

Im sure they still exist somewhere, but they tend to be non-free as teh 
support is necessary and expensive.



> Mark.
> 

In uk.comp.os.linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Probably your best bet is to dredge up something that reliably ran on 
> MSDOS 2, and run WINE, or port it.

That was what I did when I wanted a console spreadsheet... ran Lotus 1-2-3
(or whatever it was) in a DOS emulator (dosbox or dosemu).  There's enough
DOS software on the net as abandonware so you should be able to try a range
of apps.

Getting something to talk modern file formats might be a bit of a challenge,
though.

You're allowed to use a more recent version of DOS, though :)  FreeDOS is,
err, free.

> Also there used to be at least when I was looking. many SCO UNIX 
> accounting packages designed for 80x25 terminals.
> 
> Im sure they still exist somewhere, but they tend to be non-free as teh 
> support is necessary and expensive.

Yes, if you're doing any kind of business accounting support may be an
issue.  I have no idea if big software companies still support customers
that refuse to upgrade because they use the software in some
business-critical role.

This list looks interesting:
http://www.aaxnet.com/design/linuxacct.html
See also the links at the bottom.

Theo

Theo Markettos wrote:
> In uk.comp.os.linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Probably your best bet is to dredge up something that reliably ran on 
>> MSDOS 2, and run WINE, or port it.
> 
> That was what I did when I wanted a console spreadsheet... ran Lotus 1-2-3
> (or whatever it was) in a DOS emulator (dosbox or dosemu).  There's enough
> DOS software on the net as abandonware so you should be able to try a range
> of apps.
> 
> Getting something to talk modern file formats might be a bit of a challenge,
> though.
> 
> You're allowed to use a more recent version of DOS, though :)  FreeDOS is,
> err, free.
> 
>> Also there used to be at least when I was looking. many SCO UNIX 
>> accounting packages designed for 80x25 terminals.
>>
>> Im sure they still exist somewhere, but they tend to be non-free as teh 
>> support is necessary and expensive.
> 
> Yes, if you're doing any kind of business accounting support may be an
> issue.  I have no idea if big software companies still support customers
> that refuse to upgrade because they use the software in some
> business-critical role.
> 

Oh yes. People are still writing RPG on ageing IBM mainframes..and COBOL 
too.


> This list looks interesting:
> http://www.aaxnet.com/design/linuxacct.html
> See also the links at the bottom.
> 
> Theo

One point worth mentioning, is that if you are using software to prepare 
official accounts for tax audits, it needs to be in some way certified. 
That is not a feature of freeware.

Theo Markettos writes:
> That was what I did when I wanted a console spreadsheet... ran Lotus
> 1-2-3 (or whatever it was) in a DOS emulator (dosbox or dosemu).

Why not just use sc?
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Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

"Mark Hobley" <markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com> wrote in message
news:oa8d77-khq.ln1@neptune.markhobley.yi.org...

>> Does anyone know if there are any open source console mode accounts
>> packages available for Linux?
> >
> > What precisely do you mean by "console mode accounts"?
>
> Sorry, I meant accountancy packages that run in console mode (ie do not
> require X11).

Oh, you mean "accounting" -- 
http://freshmeat.net/projects/linux_general_ledger/ might be of interest to
you.

On 19 Mar 2010, The Natural Philosopher outgrape:
> Probably your best bet is to dredge up something that reliably ran on
> MSDOS 2, and run WINE, or port it.

I suspect anything that old is likely to have drifted considerably out
of date. Laws change, and accountancy packages have to chantge with
them.

(oh, and btw, WINE is probably a worse bet here than dosbox. It's
amazing what dosbox can do.)

In alt.comp.software.financial Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> That was what I did when I wanted a console spreadsheet... ran Lotus 1-2-3
> (or whatever it was) in a DOS emulator (dosbox or dosemu).

Yeah. I liked the DOS version of Lotus 123. I was looking for a console mode
spreadsheet to replace this on Linux. The best I could find was a package
called oleo. which provides a console mode spreadsheet for Linux. I am hoping
to reengineer this at a later date to provide keyboard and menu compatibility
with Lotus.

-- 
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In alt.comp.software.financial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Probably your best bet is to dredge up something that reliably ran on 
> MSDOS 2, and run WINE, or port it. 
> Half of that era ran interpreted BASIC anyway.

Yeah. I am from that era :)

We had tons of console mode applications for almost everything. I wrote
an accounts package and almost all of the applications that I used
(except Lotus 123, which was already written and came bundled with the
computer).

I am quite surprised at how few console mode applications are available on
Linux.

> Im sure they still exist somewhere, but they tend to be non-free as teh 
> support is necessary and expensive.

Yeah. I definitely need open source software.

Mark.

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Linux User: #370818  http://markhobley.yi.org/

Nix writes:
> I suspect anything that old is likely to have drifted considerably out
> of date. Laws change, and accountancy packages have to chantge with
> them.

Depends on where you live.  Here in Wisconsin we are merely required to
maintain records adequate to justify our deductions.  The details are up
to us.  We would get into no trouble at all by using decades old
accounting software.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

Mark writes:
> I wrote an accounts package...

Why not port it to Linux?
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

John Hasler wrote:
> Mark writes:
>> I wrote an accounts package...
> 
> Why not port it to Linux?

I've written a stock control sales, purchase and BOM system for Linux, 
but sadly it uses a web interface ;-)

Could easily do accounts, but the accountant who needs to be involved 
for legal reasons, prefers to take raw figures and bugger about in SAGE 
or something.

John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote:
> Why not port it to Linux?

Unfortunately all of my old software was written using Microsoft Macro
Assembler for real mode DOS, and utilizes operating system and hardware calls.
This is so different to how Linux works that basically everything needs to be
rewritten from scratch. I am still learning how to program on Linux at this
time, and I am not yet proficient in C programming, so it is going to take
some time for me to gain the momementum to produce large application programs.

Mark.

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Mark Hobley <markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com> wrote:
>
> I am quite surprised at how few console mode applications are available on
> Linux.

*blink*

I use console apps for mail, news, web browsing, editing, chat, instant
messaging, playing music, and more.  There are text mode file managers,
spreadsheets, softphones, IDEs, games (even a first person shooter).
But there are areas where most of the user base are simply going to want
GUI applications.  There aren't that many open source accounting
packages for any OS and most of those are GUI or web apps.

-- 
Bruce

Remember you're a Womble.

On comp.os.linux.misc, Mark Hobley
<markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com> wrote:

[delete]

> I am quite surprised at how few console mode applications are
> available on Linux.

????????!!!! 

Let's see. I don't run X on this box at all. I surf the web with
a browser (links2) which displays images and does javascript
(though I don't) and frames and so forth. I edit images. I do
mail and news and ssh and telnet and IRC and IM and run a web
server and an FTP server and display and edit and create PDF
files and run a packet sniffer and have an excellent text editor
and create web pages and compile complex software and download
music from a certain well-known file-sharing network. I have a
superb window manager (GNU screen -- 9 open windows at present
-- no mouse involved and it has cut&paste capabilities that far
exceed anything available in a GUI window manager.)

Currently using 43MB of RAM and 2% of my CPU's capacity with
a system load average of 7%.

I have 964 executable binaries on my box, and none of them
require a GUI.

I'd guess that there are probably another 10,000+ console apps
easily available for free.

I suggest you check out sourceforge.net and ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/
just for starters.

Sid

Sidney Lambe wrote:

> On comp.os.linux.misc, Mark Hobley
> <markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com> wrote:
> 
> [delete]
> 
>> I am quite surprised at how few console mode applications are
>> available on Linux.
> 
> ????????!!!!
> 
> Let's see. I don't run X on this box at all. I surf the web with
> a browser (links2) which displays images and does javascript
> (though I don't) and frames and so forth. I edit images. I do
> mail and news and ssh and telnet and IRC and IM and run a web
> server and an FTP server and display and edit and create PDF
> files and run a packet sniffer and have an excellent text editor
> and create web pages and compile complex software and download
> music from a certain well-known file-sharing network. I have a
> superb window manager (GNU screen -- 9 open windows at present
> -- no mouse involved and it has cut&paste capabilities that far
> exceed anything available in a GUI window manager.)
> 
> Currently using 43MB of RAM and 2% of my CPU's capacity with
> a system load average of 7%.
> 
> I have 964 executable binaries on my box, and none of them
> require a GUI.
> 
> I'd guess that there are probably another 10,000+ console apps
> easily available for free.
> 
> I suggest you check out sourceforge.net and ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/
> just for starters.
> 
> Sid

Why?

On comp.os.linux.misc, Baho Utot <baho-utot@invalid.com> wrote:
> Sidney Lambe wrote:
>
>> On comp.os.linux.misc, Mark Hobley
>> <markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com> wrote:
>> 
>> [delete]
>> 
>>> I am quite surprised at how few console mode applications are
>>> available on Linux.
>> 
>> ????????!!!!
>> 
>> Let's see. I don't run X on this box at all. I surf the web with
>> a browser (links2) which displays images and does javascript
>> (though I don't) and frames and so forth. I edit images. I do
>> mail and news and ssh and telnet and IRC and IM and run a web
>> server and an FTP server and display and edit and create PDF
>> files and run a packet sniffer and have an excellent text editor
>> and create web pages and compile complex software and download
>> music from a certain well-known file-sharing network. I have a
>> superb window manager (GNU screen -- 9 open windows at present
>> -- no mouse involved and it has cut&paste capabilities that far
>> exceed anything available in a GUI window manager.)
>> 
>> Currently using 43MB of RAM and 2% of my CPU's capacity with
>> a system load average of 7%.
>> 
>> I have 964 executable binaries on my box, and none of them
>> require a GUI.
>> 
>> I'd guess that there are probably another 10,000+ console apps
>> easily available for free.
>> 
>> I suggest you check out sourceforge.net and ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/
>> just for starters.
>> 
>> Sid
>
> Why?

Wow. Someone who is even stupider than the guy I responded to
here. I wouldn't have thought that was possible.

<plonk>

Sid

Sidney Lambe wrote:

> On comp.os.linux.misc, Baho Utot <baho-utot@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Sidney Lambe wrote:
>>
>>> On comp.os.linux.misc, Mark Hobley
>>> <markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> [delete]
>>> 
>>>> I am quite surprised at how few console mode applications are
>>>> available on Linux.
>>> 
>>> ????????!!!!
>>> 
>>> Let's see. I don't run X on this box at all. I surf the web with
>>> a browser (links2) which displays images and does javascript
>>> (though I don't) and frames and so forth. I edit images. I do
>>> mail and news and ssh and telnet and IRC and IM and run a web
>>> server and an FTP server and display and edit and create PDF
>>> files and run a packet sniffer and have an excellent text editor
>>> and create web pages and compile complex software and download
>>> music from a certain well-known file-sharing network. I have a
>>> superb window manager (GNU screen -- 9 open windows at present
>>> -- no mouse involved and it has cut&paste capabilities that far
>>> exceed anything available in a GUI window manager.)
>>> 
>>> Currently using 43MB of RAM and 2% of my CPU's capacity with
>>> a system load average of 7%.
>>> 
>>> I have 964 executable binaries on my box, and none of them
>>> require a GUI.
>>> 
>>> I'd guess that there are probably another 10,000+ console apps
>>> easily available for free.
>>> 
>>> I suggest you check out sourceforge.net and ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/
>>> just for starters.
>>> 
>>> Sid
>>
>> Why?
> 
> Wow. Someone who is even stupider than the guy I responded to
> here. I wouldn't have thought that was possible.
> 
> <plonk>
> 
> Sid


Oh wow, I've been plonked by the Sid again!

Seeing that he doesn't read my replies how is that possible?