Hallo,

sometimes i need to use/find a special character
which is not "available" on the current keyboard
(and were loading an other keymap-file is also
not possible/available).

Is there a possibility (like in the good(?) old
DOS times, to use soemthing like an "ASCII-code
methode"?

Thank`s for any tips! John

linux55@bluemail.ch wrote:
> Hallo,
> 
> sometimes i need to use/find a special character
> which is not "available" on the current keyboard
> (and were loading an other keymap-file is also
> not possible/available).
> 
> Is there a possibility (like in the good(?) old
> DOS times, to use soemthing like an "ASCII-code
> methode"?
> 
> Thank`s for any tips! John
> 

You mean like

echo -e "\0101\040\0142\0145\0154\0154\007" ?

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In <1116513230.312080.217140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, on
05/19/2005
   at 07:33 AM, linux55@bluemail.ch said:

>Subject: ASCII code under Linux for special characters available ?

Those are not ASCII.

>sometimes i need to use/find a special character
>which is not "available" on the current keyboard
>(and were loading an other keymap-file is also
>not possible/available).

There are various tools that are floating around. Something that I
sometimes do if I'm sure that I have the right code page is to
construct a file with all[1] of the hexadecimal values and then
cut-and-paste from it.

 8x  ����������������
 9x  ��������������� 
 Ax  �����Ѫ���������
 Bx       ����    �� 
 Cx        ��       �
 Dx  ����� ���    �� 
 Ex  �����յ������ݯ�
 Fx  �� ����������� �


[1] Well, almost all

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linux55@bluemail.ch wrote:
> Hallo,
>
> sometimes i need to use/find a special character
> which is not "available" on the current keyboard
> (and were loading an other keymap-file is also
> not possible/available).
>
> Is there a possibility (like in the good(?) old
> DOS times, to use soemthing like an "ASCII-code
> methode"?
>
> Thank`s for any tips! John

It's probably blasphemous, but I use the GNOME character map.  It's a
simple matter of switch over to the Latin script, finding "=E9", and
copying it.

"resum=E9" seems to be the most frequent use for this character.  Last I
heard, it was an English word, so I don't know why there isn't by
default a simpler way of accessing the =E9 character in the en-US keymap.

On 2005-05-21, Mike Mol <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:

> "resum�" seems to be the most frequent use for this character.  Last I
> heard, it was an English word, so I don't know why there isn't by
> default a simpler way of accessing the � character in the en-US keymap.

Doesn't compose-e-' work for you under X11?


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On Sat, 21 May 2005 01:08:21 -0000, Grant Edwards staggered into the
Black Sun and said:
> On 2005-05-21, Mike Mol <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "resum�" seems to be the most frequent use for this character.  Last
>> I heard, it was an English word, so I don't know why there isn't by
>> default a simpler way of accessing the � character in the en-US
>> keymap.
> Doesn't compose-e-' work for you under X11?

If Mike doesn't have a Multi_key defined, it won't.  If LANG is set to
"C", it won't work either.  The easiest way I've found to get everything
working properly is to make sure than LANG is set to something other
than C (like en_US) before X starts, and to have something do "xmodmap
-e 'keycode 109 = Multi_key' " in .xinitrc or ~/.kde/Autostart/ or
whatever your desktop environment uses for autostarting things.  Keycode
109 is almost always the right Ctrl key; adjust to taste.  HTH,

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Dances With Crows wrote:
> On Sat, 21 May 2005 01:08:21 -0000, Grant Edwards staggered into the
> Black Sun and said:
> > On 2005-05-21, Mike Mol <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "resum=E9" seems to be the most frequent use for this character.
Last
> >> I heard, it was an English word, so I don't know why there isn't
by
> >> default a simpler way of accessing the =E9 character in the en-US
> >> keymap.
> > Doesn't compose-e-' work for you under X11?
>
> If Mike doesn't have a Multi_key defined, it won't.  If LANG is set
to
> "C", it won't work either.  The easiest way I've found to get
everything
> working properly is to make sure than LANG is set to something other
> than C (like en_US) before X starts, and to have something do
"xmodmap
> -e 'keycode 109 =3D Multi_key' " in .xinitrc or ~/.kde/Autostart/ or
> whatever your desktop environment uses for autostarting things.
Keycode
> 109 is almost always the right Ctrl key; adjust to taste.  HTH,
>

Neat!

Being in the cultural situation I'm in, I've never had occasion to mess
with it.  But I've now reached the point where the word "resum=E9" seems
to come up fairly frequently. :-)

On 2005-05-22, Mike Mol <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:

> Being in the cultural situation I'm in, I've never had occasion to mess
> with it.  But I've now reached the point where the word "resum�" seems
> to come up fairly frequently. :-)

BTW, it's "r�sum�" not "resum�".

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(Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com>) scribbled:

> > Being in the cultural situation I'm in, I've never had occasion to mess
> > with it.  But I've now reached the point where the word "resum=E9" seems
> > to come up fairly frequently. :-)
>=20
> BTW, it's "r=E9sum=E9" not "resum=E9".

.... correction:=20
BTW, it's "r=E9sum=E9", not "resum=E9".

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mjt <mjtobler@removethis_mail.ru> writes:

> (Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com>) scribbled:
>
>> > Being in the cultural situation I'm in, I've never had occasion to mess
>> > with it.  But I've now reached the point where the word "resum�" seems
>> > to come up fairly frequently. :-)
>> 
>> BTW, it's "r�sum�" not "resum�".
>
> ... correction: 
> BTW, it's "r�sum�", not "resum�".

If you are writing in English,
it seems to me it has to be 'resume'.

Apparently, this is more true in the US:

http://www.bartleby.com/68/66/66.html

That page claims that in the US, usage is divided.
Regardless, I don't think � is part of the English
alphabet, so I think 'resume' is correct and
using � is an affectation.

Dan Espen wrote:
> mjt <mjtobler@removethis_mail.ru> writes:
> 
> 
>>(Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com>) scribbled:
>>
>>
>>>>Being in the cultural situation I'm in, I've never had occasion to mess
>>>>with it.  But I've now reached the point where the word "resum�" seems
>>>>to come up fairly frequently. :-)
>>>
>>>BTW, it's "r�sum�" not "resum�".
>>
>>... correction: 
>>BTW, it's "r�sum�", not "resum�".
> 
> 
> If you are writing in English,
> it seems to me it has to be 'resume'.
> 
> Apparently, this is more true in the US:
> 
> http://www.bartleby.com/68/66/66.html
> 
> That page claims that in the US, usage is divided.
> Regardless, I don't think � is part of the English
> alphabet, so I think 'resume' is correct and
> using � is an affectation.

And an annoying affectation, too.  IMHO, of course.  It's rare that 
context doesn't tell you when it's REZ UH MAY rather than REE ZOOM.



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On Sun, 22 May 2005 12:06:07 -0400, Tony Lawrence staggered into the
Black Sun and said:
> Dan Espen wrote:
>> That page claims that in the US, usage is divided.  Regardless, I
>> don't think � is part of the English alphabet,

You find � in English works going back to at least 1780 and probably
long before that.  Did you mean "ASCII character set"?  If so, that's
correct, but e-with-acute has been used for a long time to indicate
"pronounce this e as 'ay' not 'ee' or 'eh'."  English spelling is the
world's most awesome mess; let's not make it worse by consigning accent
marks to oblivion.[0]

> And an annoying affectation, too.  IMHO, of course.  It's rare that
> context doesn't tell you when it's REZ UH MAY rather than REE ZOOM.

_R�sum� With Monsters_, ISBN 1-56504-913-6 ?  3 words in a book title
isn't a whole lot of context, true, but it does happen.

[0] And bring back � and find a space for (schwa) while you're at it!

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Dances With Crows <danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, 22 May 2005 12:06:07 -0400, Tony Lawrence staggered into the
> Black Sun and said:
>> Dan Espen wrote:
>>> That page claims that in the US, usage is divided.  Regardless, I
>>> don't think � is part of the English alphabet,
>
> You find � in English works going back to at least 1780 and probably
> long before that.  Did you mean "ASCII character set"?

No, why would I mean ASCII character set?
Remember first grade.  The alphabet has 26 letters.

Finding foreign words and spellings in English works is no suprise.
There are lot of writers using foreign words for literary purposes.

If I recall correctly in the 1700s, English used that funny character
for the double S.  Good riddance.

> If so, that's
> correct, but e-with-acute has been used for a long time to indicate
> "pronounce this e as 'ay' not 'ee' or 'eh'."  English spelling is the
> world's most awesome mess; let's not make it worse by consigning accent
> marks to oblivion.[0]

On the contrary, we don't need more letters to fix English spelling.
See below.  (REZUMAY).  But it's not going to happen.  At least not
in this century.

>> And an annoying affectation, too.  IMHO, of course.  It's rare that
>> context doesn't tell you when it's REZ UH MAY rather than REE ZOOM.
>
> _R�sum� With Monsters_, ISBN 1-56504-913-6 ?  3 words in a book title
> isn't a whole lot of context, true, but it does happen.

Hardly a reason to destroy the alphabet.

> [0] And bring back � and find a space for (schwa) while you're at it!

Yeah, how about a keyboard with another 40 keys.
No thanks.

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Dan Espen <daneNO@SPAM.mk.telcordia.com> writes:

>> [0] And bring back þ and find a space for (schwa) while you're at it!

Þere's a good idea!

> Yeah, how about a keyboard with another 40 keys.
> No thanks.

That's what compose keys e.g. AltGr are for.  One extra key, which
most of us already have.


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Roger Leigh <${rleigh}@invalid.whinlatter.ukfsn.org.invalid> writes:

> Dan Espen <daneNO@SPAM.mk.telcordia.com> writes:
>> Yeah, how about a keyboard with another 40 keys.
>> No thanks.
>
> That's what compose keys e.g. AltGr are for.  One extra key, which
> most of us already have.

And, thankfully, most of us Americans never have to use.

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Dan Espen <daneNO@SPAM.mk.telcordia.com> writes:

> Roger Leigh <${rleigh}@invalid.whinlatter.ukfsn.org.invalid> writes:
>
>> Dan Espen <daneNO@SPAM.mk.telcordia.com> writes:
>>> Yeah, how about a keyboard with another 40 keys.
>>> No thanks.
>>
>> That's what compose keys e.g. AltGr are for.  One extra key, which
>> most of us already have.
>
> And, thankfully, most of us Americans never have to use.

Do you never ever use fancy punctuation or mathematical symbols, just
plain and limited ASCII?  The compose functionality covers a lot more
than accented characters:

§ ± ® ¼ © ¢ ‡ “ ” … ‰ → ∞ √ ∴

Now GNU/Linux has fairly comprehensive UCS support (can you read all
the above, which should be UTF-8-encoded?), there's no reason for
everyone, including Americans, not to use it.


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Roger Leigh <${rleigh}@invalid.whinlatter.ukfsn.org.invalid> writes:

> Dan Espen <daneNO@SPAM.mk.telcordia.com> writes:
>
>> Roger Leigh <${rleigh}@invalid.whinlatter.ukfsn.org.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> Dan Espen <daneNO@SPAM.mk.telcordia.com> writes:
>>>> Yeah, how about a keyboard with another 40 keys.
>>>> No thanks.
>>>
>>> That's what compose keys e.g. AltGr are for.  One extra key, which
>>> most of us already have.
>>
>> And, thankfully, most of us Americans never have to use.
>
> Do you never ever use fancy punctuation or mathematical symbols, just
> plain and limited ASCII?  The compose functionality covers a lot more
> than accented characters:
>
> � � � � � � 
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$B"x(B $B!H(B $B!I(B $B!D(B $B"s(B $B"*(B $B!g(B $B"e(B $B!h(B

Nope, don't need them.  Oh except those cursed quotes,
but then I only need to read them.

I don't code programs in APL either.
(Famous for using special characters.)

> Now GNU/Linux has fairly comprehensive UCS support (can you read all
> the above, which should be UTF-8-encoded?), there's no reason for
> everyone, including Americans, not to use it.

Yes, I use XEmacs for almost everything.
I can see the Cyrillic, Arabic, and Korean characters,
why I'd want to, I have no idea.
I only Mule enabled XEmacs to read those funny quotes
from MS.

However, I think using expanded character sets is a different issue
than needlessly expanding the English alphabet.

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On 2005-05-22, mjt <mjtobler@removethis_mail.ru> wrote:
> (Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com>) scribbled:
>
>> > Being in the cultural situation I'm in, I've never had occasion to mess
>> > with it.  But I've now reached the point where the word "resum�" seems
>> > to come up fairly frequently. :-)
>> 
>> BTW, it's "r�sum�" not "resum�".
>
> ... correction: 
> BTW, it's "r�sum�", not "resum�".

touch�

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On 2005-05-22, Dan Espen <daneNO@SPAM.mk.telcordia.com> wrote:

> If you are writing in English,
> it seems to me it has to be 'resume'.

Not according to any of my american English dictionaries.
Resume is a verb meaning to begin again.  The noun meaning a
statement of a job applicant's qualifications only has one
accepted spelling: r�sum�.

> That page claims that in the US, usage is divided.
> Regardless, I don't think � is part of the English
> alphabet, so I think 'resume' is correct and
> using � is an affectation.

That's not what my dictionary says.

Webster's New World Dictionary of the American Language
2nd College Edition
Collins+World

I admit that dictionary is a few years old...

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(Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com>) scribbled:

> > That page claims that in the US, usage is divided.
> > Regardless, I don't think =E9 is part of the English
> > alphabet, so I think 'resume' is correct and
> > using =E9 is an affectation.
>=20
> That's not what my dictionary says.

online MW shows (second entry):
Main Entry: r=E9=B7su=B7m=E9
Variant(s): or re=B7su=B7me or re=B7su=B7m=E9 /'re-z&-"mA, "re-z&-' also 'r=
A- or "rA-/
Function: noun
Etymology: French r=E9sum=E9, from past participle of r=E9sumer to resume,=
=20
summarize, from Middle French resumer
1 : SUMMARY
2 : CURRICULUM VITAE


> Webster's New World Dictionary of the American Language
> 2nd College Edition
> Collins+World
>=20
> I admit that dictionary is a few years old...

thank it probably doesnt have some of the newer
words, such as "google" ?   :)

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In comp.os.linux.misc, on Monday 23 May 2005 04:48, Grant Edwards
<grante@visi.com> wrote:

> 
> touché
> 
coulé
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