Booting from a Live CD ?? - comp.os.linux.misc

Like a lot of people in recent times, I am considering moving across to a Linux distro, yet to decide in the preferred, and having a lot of problems running Live CD\DVDs typically supplied with PC magazines. I have recently built a new system with the following consist: GA-P35-DS3 Motherboard 4 Gig DDR2 Memory 2 ASUS Lightscribe DVD ROMS (SATA) 2 Samsung 250Gig SATA HDDs 1 Western Digital 80Gig IDE (Old drive. Is flagged as drive G under WinXP) So, basically the compete system is SATA. Which I think may be the root of my problems, but unsure how to get around it. When I place the Live CD in the DVD drive then boot (in this scenario I'm trying KNOPPIX 5.1) I am faced with the following error messages: Enabling DMA acceleration for: hde [WDC WD800BB] Enabling DMA acceleration for: hdg [SAMSUNG SP2504C] Can't find KNOPPIX filesystem, sorry. Dropping you to a (very limited) shell. Press reset button to quit. I suspect that as the system boots from the Live CD it doesn't contain the drivers for the SATA DVD drives. So, how do I best attack this issue ?? I have tried a number of different distro's but end up with the same result. Cheers. Fritzables. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

Many live cd's have alternate kernel versions and configurations that you can use to boot in most cases. Normally pressing some of the F# keys at the "boot:" prompt will list some for you. Or there's a text file in the / of the cd that lists your options. You probably just need to utilize those options.

Shadow_7 <wwwShadow7@yaNOhoo.comNULL> wrote in news:pan.2007.07.26.16.16.49@yaNOhoo.comNULL: > Many live cd's have alternate kernel versions and configurations that > you can use to boot in most cases. Normally pressing some of the F# > keys at the "boot:" prompt will list some for you. Or there's a text > file in the / of the cd that lists your options. You probably just > need to utilize those options. > Thanks, I will check this out when I get home tonight. Fritzables -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:48:20 +1000, Fritzables wrote: > Like a lot of people in recent times, I am considering moving across to > a Linux distro, yet to decide in the preferred, and having a lot of > problems running Live CD\DVDs typically supplied with PC magazines. > > I have recently built a new system with the following consist: > > GA-P35-DS3 Motherboard > 4 Gig DDR2 Memory > 2 ASUS Lightscribe DVD ROMS (SATA) > 2 Samsung 250Gig SATA HDDs > 1 Western Digital 80Gig IDE (Old drive. Is flagged as drive G under > WinXP) > > So, basically the compete system is SATA. Which I think may be the root > of my problems, but unsure how to get around it. > > When I place the Live CD in the DVD drive then boot (in this scenario > I'm trying KNOPPIX 5.1) I am faced with the following error messages: > > Enabling DMA acceleration for: hde [WDC WD800BB] Enabling DMA > acceleration for: hdg [SAMSUNG SP2504C] Can't find KNOPPIX filesystem, > sorry. Dropping you to a (very limited) shell. Press reset button to > quit. > > I suspect that as the system boots from the Live CD it doesn't contain > the drivers for the SATA DVD drives. > > So, how do I best attack this issue ?? > > I have tried a number of different distro's but end up with the same > result. I had similar failures with a friend's newly build 64-bit system, which is all SATA -- DVD burner and hard drives. The boot process would hang with all the distros and LiveCDs I tried, except for Fedora 7 i686 32-bit Live CD. It worked! Stef

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:21:50 GMT, Stefan Patric <tootek2@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:48:20 +1000, Fritzables wrote: > >> Like a lot of people in recent times, I am considering moving across to >> a Linux distro, yet to decide in the preferred, and having a lot of >> problems running Live CD\DVDs typically supplied with PC magazines. >> >> I have recently built a new system with the following consist: >> >> GA-P35-DS3 Motherboard >> 4 Gig DDR2 Memory >> 2 ASUS Lightscribe DVD ROMS (SATA) >> 2 Samsung 250Gig SATA HDDs >> 1 Western Digital 80Gig IDE (Old drive. Is flagged as drive G under >> WinXP) >> >> So, basically the compete system is SATA. Which I think may be the root >> of my problems, but unsure how to get around it. >> >> When I place the Live CD in the DVD drive then boot (in this scenario >> I'm trying KNOPPIX 5.1) I am faced with the following error messages: >> >> Enabling DMA acceleration for: hde [WDC WD800BB] Enabling DMA >> acceleration for: hdg [SAMSUNG SP2504C] Can't find KNOPPIX filesystem, >> sorry. Dropping you to a (very limited) shell. Press reset button to >> quit. >> >> I suspect that as the system boots from the Live CD it doesn't contain >> the drivers for the SATA DVD drives. >> >> So, how do I best attack this issue ?? >> >> I have tried a number of different distro's but end up with the same >> result. > >I had similar failures with a friend's newly build 64-bit system, which >is all SATA -- DVD burner and hard drives. The boot process would hang >with all the distros and LiveCDs I tried, except for Fedora 7 i686 32-bit >Live CD. It worked! > >Stef Thanks Stef, I was going to give Ferora 7 a go but they say the latest version isn't all that user friendly. Fritzables. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:21:50 +0000, Stefan Patric wrote: > all SATA -- DVD burner and hard drives. The boot process would hang with > all the distros and LiveCDs I tried, except for Fedora 7 i686 32-bit Live > CD. Same with my Toshiba laptop. Only distr's that would complete booting from DVD were the *ubuntu family, Fedora 7, and PCLinuxOS. They are using a more up-to-date kernel than the rest. -- Maurice (Remove 'removethis.' to reply by email)

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:04:34 +1000, Fritzables wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:21:50 GMT, Stefan Patric <tootek2@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >>On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:48:20 +1000, Fritzables wrote: >> >>> Like a lot of people in recent times, I am considering moving across >>> to a Linux distro, yet to decide in the preferred, and having a lot of >>> problems running Live CD\DVDs typically supplied with PC magazines. >>> >>> I have recently built a new system with the following consist: >>> >>> GA-P35-DS3 Motherboard >>> 4 Gig DDR2 Memory >>> 2 ASUS Lightscribe DVD ROMS (SATA) >>> 2 Samsung 250Gig SATA HDDs >>> 1 Western Digital 80Gig IDE (Old drive. Is flagged as drive G under >>> WinXP) >>> >>> So, basically the compete system is SATA. Which I think may be the >>> root of my problems, but unsure how to get around it. >>> >>> When I place the Live CD in the DVD drive then boot (in this scenario >>> I'm trying KNOPPIX 5.1) I am faced with the following error messages: >>> >>> Enabling DMA acceleration for: hde [WDC WD800BB] Enabling DMA >>> acceleration for: hdg [SAMSUNG SP2504C] Can't find KNOPPIX >>> filesystem, sorry. Dropping you to a (very limited) shell. Press >>> reset button to quit. >>> >>> I suspect that as the system boots from the Live CD it doesn't contain >>> the drivers for the SATA DVD drives. >>> >>> So, how do I best attack this issue ?? >>> >>> I have tried a number of different distro's but end up with the same >>> result. >> >>I had similar failures with a friend's newly build 64-bit system, which >>is all SATA -- DVD burner and hard drives. The boot process would hang >>with all the distros and LiveCDs I tried, except for Fedora 7 i686 >>32-bit Live CD. It worked! >> >>Stef > > Thanks Stef, > > I was going to give Ferora 7 a go but they say the latest version isn't > all that user friendly. Who are "they?" All the reviews I've read, say that 7 is the best Fedora to date. I played around with the 7 LiveCD and found it at least as usable as 6, but with improvements to simplify set ups and configuration. However, it as well as all previous Fedora versions are very, very Open Source. So. no non-Open Source stuff is included like Flash or Java. You have to add it yourself after the install, which is a pain. Stef

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:46:51 GMT, Stefan Patric <tootek2@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:04:34 +1000, Fritzables wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:21:50 GMT, Stefan Patric <tootek2@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:48:20 +1000, Fritzables wrote: >>> >>>> Like a lot of people in recent times, I am considering moving across >>>> to a Linux distro, yet to decide in the preferred, and having a lot of >>>> problems running Live CD\DVDs typically supplied with PC magazines. >>>> >>>> I have recently built a new system with the following consist: >>>> >>>> GA-P35-DS3 Motherboard >>>> 4 Gig DDR2 Memory >>>> 2 ASUS Lightscribe DVD ROMS (SATA) >>>> 2 Samsung 250Gig SATA HDDs >>>> 1 Western Digital 80Gig IDE (Old drive. Is flagged as drive G under >>>> WinXP) >>>> >>>> So, basically the compete system is SATA. Which I think may be the >>>> root of my problems, but unsure how to get around it. >>>> >>>> When I place the Live CD in the DVD drive then boot (in this scenario >>>> I'm trying KNOPPIX 5.1) I am faced with the following error messages: >>>> >>>> Enabling DMA acceleration for: hde [WDC WD800BB] Enabling DMA >>>> acceleration for: hdg [SAMSUNG SP2504C] Can't find KNOPPIX >>>> filesystem, sorry. Dropping you to a (very limited) shell. Press >>>> reset button to quit. >>>> >>>> I suspect that as the system boots from the Live CD it doesn't contain >>>> the drivers for the SATA DVD drives. >>>> >>>> So, how do I best attack this issue ?? >>>> >>>> I have tried a number of different distro's but end up with the same >>>> result. >>> >>>I had similar failures with a friend's newly build 64-bit system, which >>>is all SATA -- DVD burner and hard drives. The boot process would hang >>>with all the distros and LiveCDs I tried, except for Fedora 7 i686 >>>32-bit Live CD. It worked! >>> >>>Stef >> >> Thanks Stef, >> >> I was going to give Ferora 7 a go but they say the latest version isn't >> all that user friendly. > >Who are "they?" Me, for one. >All the reviews I've read, say that 7 is the best Fedora >to date. Maybe, _if_ you can get the sucker to install. "Bugzilla Bug 242956: F7 CDROM installation method fails to recognize CD/DVD drive." Stops me cold doing both the 32 and 64 bit installs on a ThinkPad T61. FC6 installs OK. I'm not the only one. The changes to the sata/pata/ide/libata/whatever drivers aren't quite stable yet - IMHO. Hopefully soon. Bill -- William D Waddington william.waddington@beezmo.com "Even bugs...are unexpected signposts on the long road of creativity..." - Ken Burtch

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:46:51 GMT, Stefan Patric <tootek2@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:04:34 +1000, Fritzables wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:21:50 GMT, Stefan Patric <tootek2@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:48:20 +1000, Fritzables wrote: >>> >>>> Like a lot of people in recent times, I am considering moving across >>>> to a Linux distro, yet to decide in the preferred, and having a lot of >>>> problems running Live CD\DVDs typically supplied with PC magazines. >>>> >>>> I have recently built a new system with the following consist: >>>> >>>> GA-P35-DS3 Motherboard >>>> 4 Gig DDR2 Memory >>>> 2 ASUS Lightscribe DVD ROMS (SATA) >>>> 2 Samsung 250Gig SATA HDDs >>>> 1 Western Digital 80Gig IDE (Old drive. Is flagged as drive G under >>>> WinXP) >>>> >>>> So, basically the compete system is SATA. Which I think may be the >>>> root of my problems, but unsure how to get around it. >>>> >>>> When I place the Live CD in the DVD drive then boot (in this scenario >>>> I'm trying KNOPPIX 5.1) I am faced with the following error messages: >>>> >>>> Enabling DMA acceleration for: hde [WDC WD800BB] Enabling DMA >>>> acceleration for: hdg [SAMSUNG SP2504C] Can't find KNOPPIX >>>> filesystem, sorry. Dropping you to a (very limited) shell. Press >>>> reset button to quit. >>>> >>>> I suspect that as the system boots from the Live CD it doesn't contain >>>> the drivers for the SATA DVD drives. >>>> >>>> So, how do I best attack this issue ?? >>>> >>>> I have tried a number of different distro's but end up with the same >>>> result. >>> >>>I had similar failures with a friend's newly build 64-bit system, which >>>is all SATA -- DVD burner and hard drives. The boot process would hang >>>with all the distros and LiveCDs I tried, except for Fedora 7 i686 >>>32-bit Live CD. It worked! >>> >>>Stef >> >> Thanks Stef, >> >> I was going to give Ferora 7 a go but they say the latest version isn't >> all that user friendly. > >Who are "they?" All the reviews I've read, say that 7 is the best Fedora >to date. I played around with the 7 LiveCD and found it at least as >usable as 6, but with improvements to simplify set ups and >configuration. However, it as well as all previous Fedora versions are >very, very Open Source. So. no non-Open Source stuff is included like >Flash or Java. You have to add it yourself after the install, which is a >pain. > >Stef > G'Day Stef, Actually it was one of the Aussie PC mags that did a recent review of F7 and basically they indicated their impressions were that it was cluncky. I like the look of Fedora and if it loads with out the hassle I've been having - I believe I'll give it a go. Cheers Fritzables. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDem

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:28:17 -0700, Bill Waddington wrote: >>>>On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:48:20 +1000, Fritzables wrote: >>> >>> I was going to give Ferora 7 a go but they say the latest version >>> isn't all that user friendly. >> >>Who are "they?" > > Me, for one. Okay. One. >>All the reviews I've read, say that 7 is the best Fedora to date. > > Maybe, _if_ you can get the sucker to install. > > "Bugzilla Bug 242956: F7 CDROM installation method fails to recognize > CD/DVD drive." > > Stops me cold doing both the 32 and 64 bit installs on a ThinkPad T61. > > FC6 installs OK. I'm not the only one. The changes to the > sata/pata/ide/libata/whatever drivers aren't quite stable yet - IMHO. > Hopefully soon. Is the Thinkpad the only system you tried it on? I've boot up the 7 LiveCD (but haven't installed it on the hard drives) of 4 systems from 7 years old to brand, spanking top-of-the-line new, and it booted and ran with no problems. Maybe, the problem is a quirk in the Thinkpad. Something proprietory or non-standard, maybe? My test systems? You had to ask. Dell Inspiron 5000e, about 6 or 7 years old. A 7 year old 1 GHz Duron, 768 MB RAM , MSI K7T Pro2-A, Socket A. A 6 month old Athlon 64, 2 GB RAM, Abit KN9, Socket AM2. And finally, about a month old Intel Core Duo, Asus MB (don't have the model number), 4 GB RAM, all SATA drives -- HDs and DVD. This last one is the system that all of my Linux Live (FC6 Live, Ubuntu 6.10, PCLinuxOS 2007, Xandros 4 magazine cover DVD) or Install CDs (FC6 32 & 64-bit, SUSE 10.something, Debian Etch), except for Fedora 7, choked on due to the SATA DVD. Stef

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:58:19 GMT, Stefan Patric <tootek2@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:28:17 -0700, Bill Waddington wrote: > >>>>>On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:48:20 +1000, Fritzables wrote: >>>> >>>> I was going to give Ferora 7 a go but they say the latest version >>>> isn't all that user friendly. >>> >>>Who are "they?" >> >> Me, for one. > >Okay. One. > >>>All the reviews I've read, say that 7 is the best Fedora to date. >> >> Maybe, _if_ you can get the sucker to install. >> >> "Bugzilla Bug 242956: F7 CDROM installation method fails to recognize >> CD/DVD drive." >> >> Stops me cold doing both the 32 and 64 bit installs on a ThinkPad T61. >> >> FC6 installs OK. I'm not the only one. The changes to the >> sata/pata/ide/libata/whatever drivers aren't quite stable yet - IMHO. >> Hopefully soon. > >Is the Thinkpad the only system you tried it on? I've boot up the 7 >LiveCD (but haven't installed it on the hard drives) of 4 systems from 7 >years old to brand, spanking top-of-the-line new, and it booted and ran >with no problems. Maybe, the problem is a quirk in the Thinkpad. >Something proprietory or non-standard, maybe? So far the T61 is the only one I need a new install on. Since FC6 installed OK I don't think it's anything new and unusual in the hardware. More likely an issue w/libata is my WAG. Just for the record, the 32 and 64 bit install CDs fail w/the above CD not found error(the one they just booted from...) and the live 32 bit CD fails w/"root filesystem not found". I'm not really down on Fedora. I've installed all the FCs from 1 to 6 and used them for driver development - and to give occasional feedback to RedHat. My point (if there is one) is that the Fedora distro isn't for the faint of heart. After all, it is _intended_ to be bleeding edge. Bill -- William D Waddington william.waddington@beezmo.com "Even bugs...are unexpected signposts on the long road of creativity..." - Ken Burtch

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:32:17 -0700, Bill Waddington wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:58:19 GMT, Stefan Patric <tootek2@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >>>>All the reviews I've read, say that 7 is the best Fedora to date. >>> >>> Maybe, _if_ you can get the sucker to install. >>> >>> "Bugzilla Bug 242956: F7 CDROM installation method fails to recognize >>> CD/DVD drive." >>> >>> Stops me cold doing both the 32 and 64 bit installs on a ThinkPad T61. >>> >>> FC6 installs OK. I'm not the only one. The changes to the >>> sata/pata/ide/libata/whatever drivers aren't quite stable yet - IMHO. >>> Hopefully soon. >> >>Is the Thinkpad the only system you tried it on? I've boot up the 7 >>LiveCD (but haven't installed it on the hard drives) of 4 systems from 7 >>years old to brand, spanking top-of-the-line new, and it booted and ran >>with no problems. Maybe, the problem is a quirk in the Thinkpad. >>Something proprietory or non-standard, maybe? > > So far the T61 is the only one I need a new install on. Since FC6 > installed OK I don't think it's anything new and unusual in the > hardware. More likely an issue w/libata is my WAG. You could always try to upgrade FC6 to 7. Not recommended by Fedora, but they do give detailed instructions, if you want to try. > Just for the record, the 32 and 64 bit install CDs fail w/the above CD > not found error(the one they just booted from...) and the live 32 bit CD > fails w/"root filesystem not found". Did you checksum the CDs after you burned them as well as the original download? I've gotten write errors when burning, either a true write error or a bad CD. This the type of error I got with other Live CDs -- not the Fedora 7 one. It worked. -- when booting from a SATA DVD drive. Startup would go okay until it attempted to mount the DVD drive. Either it would just hang or report "root filesystem not found...." Got a similar senerio trying to boot an old Compaq notebook at my local LUG meeting. Tried several distros. All distros tried, except PCLinuxOS 2007, would hang at some (and different) point. Well... It WAS a Compaq. Probably too much proprietary hardware. Stef

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:08:45 GMT, Stefan Patric <tootek2@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:32:17 -0700, Bill Waddington wrote: > >> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:58:19 GMT, Stefan Patric <tootek2@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >>> >>>>>All the reviews I've read, say that 7 is the best Fedora to date. >>>> >>>> Maybe, _if_ you can get the sucker to install. >>>> >>>> "Bugzilla Bug 242956: F7 CDROM installation method fails to recognize >>>> CD/DVD drive." >>>> >>>> Stops me cold doing both the 32 and 64 bit installs on a ThinkPad T61. >>>> >>>> FC6 installs OK. I'm not the only one. The changes to the >>>> sata/pata/ide/libata/whatever drivers aren't quite stable yet - IMHO. >>>> Hopefully soon. >>> >>>Is the Thinkpad the only system you tried it on? I've boot up the 7 >>>LiveCD (but haven't installed it on the hard drives) of 4 systems from 7 >>>years old to brand, spanking top-of-the-line new, and it booted and ran >>>with no problems. Maybe, the problem is a quirk in the Thinkpad. >>>Something proprietory or non-standard, maybe? >> >> So far the T61 is the only one I need a new install on. Since FC6 >> installed OK I don't think it's anything new and unusual in the >> hardware. More likely an issue w/libata is my WAG. > >You could always try to upgrade FC6 to 7. Not recommended by Fedora, but >they do give detailed instructions, if you want to try. Interesting suggestion. I may try it but w/the sata/pata driver problems in FC7 I'm not optimistic. >> Just for the record, the 32 and 64 bit install CDs fail w/the above CD >> not found error(the one they just booted from...) and the live 32 bit CD >> fails w/"root filesystem not found". > >Did you checksum the CDs after you burned them as well as the original >download? I've gotten write errors when burning, either a true write >error or a bad CD. Yep, I ran the checksums. Like I said somewhere upthread, it's a known FC7 bug. >This the type of error I got with other Live CDs -- not the Fedora 7 >one. It worked. -- when booting from a SATA DVD drive. Startup would go >okay until it attempted to mount the DVD drive. Either it would just >hang or report "root filesystem not found...." > >Got a similar senerio trying to boot an old Compaq notebook at my local >LUG meeting. Tried several distros. All distros tried, except PCLinuxOS >2007, would hang at some (and different) point. Well... It WAS a >Compaq. Probably too much proprietary hardware. Kind of a crap-shoot at this point, especially in the wild and wooly (proprietary hardware) world of laptops... Bill -- William D Waddington william.waddington@beezmo.com "Even bugs...are unexpected signposts on the long road of creativity..." - Ken Burtch

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:50:54 -0700, Bill Waddington wrote: > On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:08:45 GMT, Stefan Patric <tootek2@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >>You could always try to upgrade FC6 to 7. Not recommended by Fedora, >>but they do give detailed instructions, if you want to try. > > Interesting suggestion. I may try it but w/the sata/pata driver > problems in FC7 I'm not optimistic. Nice thing about upgrading through the online repository is that the latest versions of everything get installed. This would include bug fixes. This might enable you to run 7. Worse that could happen is that it doesn't work, and you have to re-install 6. Before trying, though, read the Release Notes on 7 to see if they've fixed your driver problem. Stef