Just some of the Linux myths exposed


Why so many distributions?
The Linux weirdos would like you to believe that it is because of
*choice* but the informed user knows that it is because most
distributions are so bad that you need to keep searching to find the
one distribution that does everything right.
Good luck because you will never find it.
One distribution can print.
Another can use plugins for browsers.
Another has a decent package manager.
Still another supports most video cards.
No distribution will do it all however, and THAT is the REAL reason why
their are 100+ different distributions.

Linux programs are as good or better than Windows programs.
This one is a bold faced lie.
For example OpenOffice exists for Windows as well as Linux.
So do we see evidence of MSOffice users migrating to OO?
Of course not.
So why wouldn't anyone wish to save $300 per seat?
Well they would if the product they were interested in was as good as
MSOffice.
OpenOffice is a joke.
It can't render MSOffice tables correctly and don't even ask about
macros.

Linux supports more hardware than Windows.
Sure it does, if you consider that Linux runs on more platforms than
Windows.
It's also true if you consider support for that 1981 ProPrinter
imortant.
Linux is for you in that case.

However, if you have a modern PP scanner, multifunction printer,
digital camera, various USB card readers, wireless nic cards, Bluetooth
devices and so forth forget about Linux.
Just take a look at the suggested printers for Linux on the
linuxprinting.org webpage.
Can you say OBSOLETE?????
http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html

One last piece of advice, when the Linux weirdo comes back with "my
system works fine" you should really probe deeper and see if he is
really getting all the performance from his hardware that he paid for.

Color printers that only print in black and white or at low resolutions
are accepted as working by the Linux community, but a Windows user
would never tolerate that type of performance.
So make certain you really understand what "supported" means under
Linux, especially for printers/scanners/digital cameras and video
cards.

Karen

Karen Livermore wrote:

> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
> 
> 
> Why so many distributions?
> The Linux weirdos would like you to believe that it is because of
> *choice* but the informed user knows that it is because most
> distributions are so bad that you need to keep searching to find the
> one distribution that does everything right.
> Good luck because you will never find it.
> One distribution can print.
> Another can use plugins for browsers.
> Another has a decent package manager.
> Still another supports most video cards.
> No distribution will do it all however, and THAT is the REAL reason why
> their are 100+ different distributions.
> 
> Linux programs are as good or better than Windows programs.
> This one is a bold faced lie.
> For example OpenOffice exists for Windows as well as Linux.
> So do we see evidence of MSOffice users migrating to OO?
> Of course not.
> So why wouldn't anyone wish to save $300 per seat?
> Well they would if the product they were interested in was as good as
> MSOffice.
> OpenOffice is a joke.
> It can't render MSOffice tables correctly and don't even ask about
> macros.
> 
> Linux supports more hardware than Windows.
> Sure it does, if you consider that Linux runs on more platforms than
> Windows.
> It's also true if you consider support for that 1981 ProPrinter
> imortant.
> Linux is for you in that case.
> 
> However, if you have a modern PP scanner, multifunction printer,
> digital camera, various USB card readers, wireless nic cards, Bluetooth
> devices and so forth forget about Linux.
> Just take a look at the suggested printers for Linux on the
> linuxprinting.org webpage.
> Can you say OBSOLETE?????
> http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html
> 
> One last piece of advice, when the Linux weirdo comes back with "my
> system works fine" you should really probe deeper and see if he is
> really getting all the performance from his hardware that he paid for.
> 
> Color printers that only print in black and white or at low resolutions
> are accepted as working by the Linux community, but a Windows user
> would never tolerate that type of performance.
> So make certain you really understand what "supported" means under
> Linux, especially for printers/scanners/digital cameras and video
> cards.
> 
> Karen

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Karen Livermore wrote:
> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
> 
I hope you feel better soon.


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Karen Livermore wrote:
> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
...

Looks like Bill G. is getting desperate; MS has put Linux at top of list as
their #1 threat, now they have to hire people like Karen to spread false
propaganda to try and quash the rise of free software for the people (gee
Bill, sorry you can not make another billion off some of us this year).

On 21 Apr 2005 17:11:10 -0700, "Karen Livermore"
<carolina_kween@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<<1114125508.931744.263770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>>:

> Just some of the Linux myths exposed

I checked on your "Karen Livermore" nick, Flatfish. You said you've
been "posting" for years but I found out you must have meant you've
been "trolling" for years, because "Karen Livermore" was a nick you
invented Monday.

> Karen

Flatfish.

I'm sorry that you've had a less than stellar experience with Linux. My
experiences have all been very positive. I've set up three computers in
our home network, and all is working very well - much more stable than
when we ran MS Windows and it crashed every day or two. My have has no
difficulty browsing the web, doing e-mail, printing color pictures, etc.
The Apollo P2200 inkjet printer works flawlessly, as does the Brother
HL1440 Laser printer. We share an Epson Perfection 2400 scanner over the
network, as well. I installed Mandrake 10.1 OE on the public access
internet computers at the local library, and after three months, there
have been NO complaints. The library director tells me that the biggest
difference is that before, when they were running MS, she had to be out on
the floor three or four times to help patrons with internet problems -
now, they just run. I drop by every week or so just to see if there are
any difficulties and do the updates. Then when I need a relief from the
boredom, I try to straighten out some MS computers they have for games in
the children's area (no internet access allowed).

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:11:10 -0700, Karen Livermore wrote:

> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
> 
> 
> Why so many distributions?
> The Linux weirdos would like you to believe that it is because of
> *choice* but the informed user knows that it is because most
> distributions are so bad that you need to keep searching to find the
> one distribution that does everything right.
> Good luck because you will never find it.
> One distribution can print.
> Another can use plugins for browsers.
> Another has a decent package manager.
> Still another supports most video cards.
> No distribution will do it all however, and THAT is the REAL reason why
> their are 100+ different distributions.
> 

Golly gee I have two copmputers running suse 9.2 pro with out any problems
printing works, all 3 of my digital cameras work, browser plugins are no
problem, yast and apt4rpm rock as package managers, nvidia in one machine
and ancient ati in other both work great. Oh yeah kubuntu/ubuntu, simply
mepis, mandrake 10.1 and fedora core 3 also work fine I just like suse
better.



> Linux programs are as good or better than Windows
programs. This one is
> a bold faced lie.
> For example OpenOffice exists for Windows as well as Linux. So do we see
> evidence of MSOffice users migrating to OO? Of course not. So why
> wouldn't anyone wish to save $300 per seat? Well they would if the
> product they were interested in was as good as MSOffice. OpenOffice is a
> joke.
> It can't render MSOffice tables correctly and don't even ask about
> macros.
> 
> Linux supports more hardware than Windows. Sure it does, if you consider
> that Linux runs on more platforms than Windows. It's also true if you
> consider support for that 1981 ProPrinter imortant. Linux is for you in
> that case.
>

OO works fine too never used macros when I used MS office. Anyways I have
been using corel wordperfect office for years in windows liked it better
than microsofts product anyways.

> However, if you have a modern PP scanner, multifunction printer, digital
> camera, various USB card readers, wireless nic cards, Bluetooth devices
> and so forth forget about Linux. Just take a look at the suggested
> printers for Linux on the linuxprinting.org webpage. Can you say
> OBSOLETE?????
> http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html
> 
> One last piece of advice, when the Linux weirdo comes back with "my
> system works fine" you should really probe deeper and see if he is
> really getting all the performance from his hardware that he paid for.
> 
> Color printers that only print in black and white or at low resolutions
> are accepted as working by the Linux community, but a Windows user would
> never tolerate that type of performance. So make certain you really
> understand what "supported" means under Linux, especially for
> printers/scanners/digital cameras and video cards.
> 
> Karen

Acouple of years ago I would have been in the Linux ain't ready camp as
the things i was into were not supported mainly online voice chat services
like paltalk etc. But I grew tired of all that BS and gave linux another
try and as of mid January I have been MS free and loving it. True I have
had to learn how to do certain things in linux and am still figuring out a
couple of other things but lurking in the ng's and Reading The Fine
Manuals helps in those endeavors. I got tired of stagnating and expecting
instant gratification and began learning again. Could that be why I am
feeling more vibrant and alive these days? 

IMHO when running into "brick walls" in whatever one is trying to do one
has two basic ways to deal with it;

1) 	React childlishy throw a tantrum and gripe about how it won't
	work/can't be surmounted.

2)	Respond to the chalange, problem solve, seek solutions, ask for
	help/guidance then implement the solution and feel good with the
	accomplishment.



-- 
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with ketchup."

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On 2005-04-22, Karen Livermore <carolina_kween@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Why so many distributions?
> The Linux weirdos would like you to believe that it is because of
> *choice* but the informed user knows that it is because most
> distributions are so bad that you need to keep searching to find the
> one distribution that does everything right.

They just haven't found Slackware yet.

[rest of lame troll snipped]

--keith

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Karen Livermore wrote something like:

> Just some of the Linux myths exposed

Wow, the trolls are getting desperate!

> Why so many distributions?

Why not? As ford once said... You can have the car in any colour, as long as
it's black. Stick to the winrut...

> The Linux weirdos would like you to believe that it is because of
> *choice* but the informed user knows that it is because most
> distributions are so bad that you need to keep searching to find the
> one distribution that does everything right.
> Good luck because you will never find it.
> One distribution can print.

Like all of them...

> Another can use plugins for browsers.

Like all of them...

> Another has a decent package manager.

Most of them...

> Still another supports most video cards.

The nvidia driver don't care which...

etc etc etc...

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On 2005-04-22, quoth Ku Karlovsky <nospam@nospam.nospam.not>:
> On 21 Apr 2005 17:11:10 -0700, "Karen Livermore"
><carolina_kween@yahoo.com> wrote in message
><<1114125508.931744.263770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>>:
>
>> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
>
> I checked on your "Karen Livermore" nick, Flatfish. You said you've
> been "posting" for years but I found out you must have meant you've
> been "trolling" for years, because "Karen Livermore" was a nick you
> invented Monday.

That's "years" in Fish time. A few hours is equal to a year to those of
the ichthyic variety.

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Op Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:11:10 -0700, schreef Karen Livermore:

> Just some of the Linux myths exposed

I just completed a Linux book translation, installing/testing no less than
8 (sub)distributions on 4 different machines each - and guess what?
In all cases, virtually everything worked flawlessly out-of-the-box, with
average install times of less than an hour! 

Last time I tried, installing XP on a completely average PC took several
hours, just to get the OS up, running, and moderately safe to work with -
and still there were problems with the something called DirectX and the
USB controller, the latter randomly locking up the machine whenever a USB
stick was inserted and removed within a few seconds ... Also, in spite of
all precautions, the user picked up about 80 pieces of malware in the
first few weeks of using the box ...
And then one's supposed to spend many thousands of dollars and many hours
of work to purchase and install all the apps which come free with Linux?
Yeah, right ...


So you must be the unluckiest person in the world, gettings stuck with
Windows-only hardware and 5-year-old Linux distros on which to base
your views of Linux ... Oh no, wait, it's just a mixture of lies and
incompetence! Phew, to think that I almost took your troll seriously!



Richard Rasker

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http://www.linetec.nl/

begin  fcukyou.vbs It was on Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:19:03 -0600, that Ku
Karlovsky was seen to write:

> On 21 Apr 2005 17:11:10 -0700, "Karen Livermore"
> <carolina_kween@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> <<1114125508.931744.263770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>>:
> 
>> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
> 
> I checked on your "Karen Livermore" nick, Flatfish. You said you've been
> "posting" for years but I found out you must have meant you've been
> "trolling" for years, because "Karen Livermore" was a nick you invented
> Monday.

Not surprising, it's a wonder it's x-no-archive too. However flattie's
posts, & those of it's socks, have still been recorded at:-
http://www.talkaboutcomputing.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/messages/1129518.html
http://news.ghks.de/thread_frameset.php?group=comp.os.linux.advocacy
& other sites. 

>> Karen
> 
> Flatfish.


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control them.
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begin  fcukyou.vbs It was on Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:16:07 -0700, that
Karen Livermore - aka FLATFISH was seen to write:
 
>> Just some of the FLATFISH myths exposed
>> 
>> Why so many distributions?

Choice. We're not stuck with one OS, like M$haft. You don't like one
linux distribution, try another. You use M$ but don't like the new
Windows, your f*cked.

>> The Linux weirdos would like you to believe that it is because of
>> *choice* but the informed user knows that it is because most
>> distributions are so bad that you need to keep searching to find the one
>> distribution that does everything right. 

I tried a few & they ALL work fine. Some are GNOME based, some are
KDE based, but they WORK. :-)

>> Good luck because you will never find it. 

Says you! Just because you're dimwitted & can't get one to work, doesn't
mean to say anyone else can't either.

>> One distribution can print.

All mine print: SuSE, Mandrake, debian, FC3, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Mepis,
Xandros, Slackware, etc...
By choice I suse SuSE, though I use debian quite often too. 

>> Another can use plugins for browsers. 

All the browsers I've used on ALL distributions could use plugins. You get
a choice of browsers. 

>> Another has a decent package manager. 

Most have decent package managers: YaST, apt-get, Syanaptic, RPM, etc...
Just because YOU can't use them...

>> Still another supports most video cards. 

They all support most video cards. If one distro has drivers for a card,
then the driver exsists & other distros can use it. 

>> No distribution will do it all however, and THAT is the REAL reason why
>> their are 100+ different distributions.

Bullshit.

>> Linux programs are as good or better than Windows programs. This one is
>> a bold faced lie.
>> For example OpenOffice exists for Windows as well as Linux. So do we see
>> evidence of MSOffice users migrating to OO? Of course not. So why
>> wouldn't anyone wish to save $300 per seat? Well they would if the
>> product they were interested in was as good as MSOffice. OpenOffice is a
>> joke.
>> It can't render MSOffice tables correctly and don't even ask about
>> macros.

Pure waffle. No proof that people aren't changing.

>> Linux supports more hardware than Windows. Sure it does, 

Yep, it does.

>> if you consider that Linux runs on more platforms than Windows. It's
>> also true if you consider support for that 1981 ProPrinter imortant.
>> Linux is for you in that case.

More bullshit.
 
>> However, if you have a modern PP scanner, 

Yes, I have one on my debian machine & it works fine, thank you.
CanoScan N670U/N676U

>> multifunction printer, 

How odd, so my HP OfficeJet 7130 doesn't work? Funny, I thought I'd
scanned some photos for a relation yesterday, & that I'd printed a letter
to my bank this morning... Maybe I was dreaming?
http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/productsmf.php

>> digital camera, 

Both my cameras work fine thank you, & even though my FujiFinePix isn't
supported, it STILL works in linux with all my distros. :-)

>> various USB card readers, wireless nic cards, Bluetooth devices

No Bluetooth? I wonder why SuSE installs it by default then....

>> and so forth forget about Linux. 

So, according to YOU, nothing works! It's a miracle I'm even online then...

>> Just take a look at the suggested printers for Linux on the
>> linuxprinting.org webpage. Can you say OBSOLETE?????
>> http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html
>> 
>> One last piece of advice, when the Linux weirdo comes back with "my
>> system works fine" you should really probe deeper and see if he is
>> really getting all the performance from his hardware that he paid for.

One piece of advice to newbies reading this. The Original Poster of this
tripe is a TROLL, who frequently posts the same thing over & over under
different names. Don't take any notice, & do your *own* research. Also
ask in the relevant newsgroup for the distribution in which you're
interested. 

>> Color printers that only print in black and white or at low resolutions
>> are accepted as working by the Linux community, 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Very drole...

>> but a Windows user would never tolerate that type of performance. So
>> make certain you really understand what "supported" means under Linux,
>> especially for printers/scanners/digital cameras and video cards.
>> 
>> Karen

aka FLATFISH+++. Who has probably *never* tried any of the above things,
but merely poosts this crap just for the hell of it.

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*empower* users, NOT
control them.
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:11:10 -0700, Karen Livermore wrote:

> Just some of the Linux myths exposed

What myths? Oh, I know, those ones you made up - again

> 
> 
> Why so many distributions?

Because lots of different people have lots of different aims for Linux,
and want to try their hand at providing Linux to other users.

> The Linux weirdos would like you to believe that it is because of
> *choice* but the informed user knows that it is because most
> distributions are so bad that you need to keep searching to find the
> one distribution that does everything right.

You are not an 'informed user'. You are a liar. Most of us find the distro
that best suits out needs and hardware, and stick to that. But some like
to try out different ones.

> Good luck because you will never find it.

You are a liar, pure and simple.

> One distribution can print.
> Another can use plugins for browsers.
> Another has a decent package manager.
> Still another supports most video cards.
> No distribution will do it all however, and THAT is the REAL reason why
> their are 100+ different distributions.

You are a fucking liar!

> 
> Linux programs are as good or better than Windows programs.
> This one is a bold faced lie.

No, you are the liar here, troll.

> For example OpenOffice exists for Windows as well as Linux.
> So do we see evidence of MSOffice users migrating to OO?
> Of course not.

Lie.

> So why wouldn't anyone wish to save $300 per seat?
> Well they would if the product they were interested in was as good as
> MSOffice.
> OpenOffice is a joke.

No, it isn't. And it's getting better and better with each version. It
already does almost everything that MSOffice can do, and is considerably
better at some tasks.

> It can't render MSOffice tables correctly and don't even ask about
> macros.

So?

> 
> Linux supports more hardware than Windows.

Yup.

> Sure it does, if you consider that Linux runs on more platforms than
> Windows.

And this is somehow a bad thing? What planet do you live on, troll?

> It's also true if you consider support for that 1981 ProPrinter
> imortant.
> Linux is for you in that case.

God you're so boring. Lie after lie. All of them old, stale, mouldy and
worn thin. You can't even manage any new ones.

> 
> However, if you have a modern PP scanner, multifunction printer,
> digital camera, various USB card readers, wireless nic cards, Bluetooth
> devices and so forth forget about Linux.

Wrong, liar.Most card readers work just fine, as do most digicams. And
woreless cards, and even Bluetooth, etc.  Don't peddle any more of this
lying crap.

> Just take a look at the suggested printers for Linux on the
> linuxprinting.org webpage.
> Can you say OBSOLETE?????
> http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html

So? You know any that are more up-to-date, feel free to let them know so
that htye can update their information.

> 
> One last piece of advice, when the Linux weirdo comes back with "my
> system works fine" you should really probe deeper and see if he is
> really getting all the performance from his hardware that he paid for.

The only weirdo here is you, continually lying and trolling.

> 
> Color printers that only print in black and white or at low resolutions
> are accepted as working by the Linux community, but a Windows user
> would never tolerate that type of performance.

Utter bollocks. What printers only work in black and white for Linux? Mine
is fine. 

> So make certain you really understand what "supported" means under
> Linux, especially for printers/scanners/digital cameras and video
> cards.

It means, 'supported', as in, 'they work'. My scanner, my digcam, my
printer, my video cards, they all work. You're a pathetic liar. Sod off.

(groups trimmed)

-- 
Kier

> 

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:52:22 -0700, Keith Keller wrote:

> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
> 
> On 2005-04-22, Karen Livermore <carolina_kween@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why so many distributions?
>> The Linux weirdos would like you to believe that it is because of
>> *choice* but the informed user knows that it is because most
>> distributions are so bad that you need to keep searching to find the
>> one distribution that does everything right.
> 
> They just haven't found Slackware yet.
> 
> [rest of lame troll snipped]
> 
> --keith

So you're telling me that Slackware is the only Linux distribution that
works. B.S.

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Karen Livermore
<carolina_kween@yahoo.com>
 wrote
on 21 Apr 2005 17:11:10 -0700
<1114125508.931744.263770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
>
>
> Why so many distributions?

What would you want?

    - One Linux to rule them all,
      One Linux to find them,
      One Linux to bring them all
      and in the darkness bind them
      in the land of Internet, where the shadows lie.

          (with apologies to Tolkien)

Of course, as a Point of Pedantry: there is only one Linux anyway.
The kernel is never-changing; it's owned by Linus et al.
What you're railing against is surrounding stuff.

(As a side issue, though: Debian/HURD was at one point
interesting, and I for one don't see a big problem --
though I've not tried it, and there may be a lot of issues
that I don't know of -- in installing a system such as
Gentoo around a FreeBSD kernel, or even a Solaris one.
Of course there are a few kernel header files that may
preclude certain software from functioning.)

> The Linux weirdos would like you to believe that it is because of
> *choice* but the informed user knows that it is because most
> distributions are so bad that you need to keep searching to find the
> one distribution that does everything right.

Oh, I dunno.  I happen to think Gentoo is an excellent
distro -- for my particular needs.  The better distros
tend to get more users.

> Good luck because you will never find it.
> One distribution can print.
> Another can use plugins for browsers.
> Another has a decent package manager.
> Still another supports most video cards.
> No distribution will do it all however, and THAT is the REAL reason why
> their are 100+ different distributions.

Either that, or because there's a lot of creative energy out there,
everyone trying to establish the electronic equivalent of a fiefdom.
I'm not sure I like that interpretation but until things get
a little more standardized it's not unacceptable.

>
> Linux programs are as good or better than Windows programs.
> This one is a bold faced lie.
> For example OpenOffice exists for Windows as well as Linux.
> So do we see evidence of MSOffice users migrating to OO?
> Of course not.

Do you see evidence of invisible pink unicorns dancing on your head? :-P

> So why wouldn't anyone wish to save $300 per seat?

Do they?  While Microsoft has threshed the bottom of the pool
turning the issue hopelessly muddy on this issue, I for one
would not know how much is saved or lost per seat, as the
effectiveness of a tool can depend on the user using it!
Also, the MSRP of Microsoft Office, according to Wikipedia
anyway, is around $499.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office

http://www.cs-software.com/software/msxp/office_msxp_order.html

is a 3rd-party reseller of Office, offering a Developer Edition
for $759 and suggesting a MSRP of $799.

Therefore, I'd say $800, not $300, except that I can't because
the two tools are too different, and it depends heavily on
the user base.  Are they Microsoft users by and large, familiar
with, tolerant of, and happy using Microsoft tools?  Are they
Linux users, familar with, tolerant of, and happy using
freeware?

Makes a difference.

> Well they would if the product they were interested in was as good as
> MSOffice.
> OpenOffice is a joke.
> It can't render MSOffice tables correctly and don't even ask about
> macros.

Oooh, yes, we must have macros in our documents!  Especially since
they're so important to the printout.  (If ever E-paper is to
make a significant contribution to our economy it will have
to be able to execute macros, so that one can open a book and
see an animated flying birdie, transmit a message to the author
(a penny a page!), or get infected by a nasty automated virus
that renders the entire book unreadable.  Then again...)

>
> Linux supports more hardware than Windows.
> Sure it does, if you consider that Linux runs on more platforms than
> Windows.

Linux cannot run on more boxes than Windows.  How many
non-x86 boxes are out there?

Platforms, yes.  But not boxes.

> It's also true if you consider support for that 1981 ProPrinter
> imortant.
> Linux is for you in that case.

I don't have a 1981 ProPrinter.  Linux (and CUPS) supports
my HP 6CL just fine.

>
> However, if you have a modern PP scanner, multifunction printer,
> digital camera, various USB card readers, wireless nic cards,
> Bluetooth devices and so forth forget about Linux.
> Just take a look at the suggested printers for Linux on the
> linuxprinting.org webpage.
> Can you say OBSOLETE?????
> http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html

Well, there you have it.  Buy Microsoft XP.  Your devices
will thank you, especially your USB disklike memory sticks,
which will mysteriously fail on a random occasion requiring
reformatting.  But never mind all that, your data wasn't
*that* important.

>
> One last piece of advice, when the Linux weirdo comes
> back with "my system works fine" you should really probe
> deeper and see if he is really getting all the performance
> from his hardware that he paid for.

The same question could be asked of the casual Windows users.

>
> Color printers that only print in black and white
> or at low resolutions are accepted as working by
> the Linux community, but a Windows user
> would never tolerate that type of performance.

No, but Windows users are very tolerant of the following:

- nasty malware
- blue screens of death (or the XP equivalent, hangs and reboots)
- oddball update messages
- necessity of buying new 'puters every 2 years to deal with
  XP requirements
- etc.

But never mind that.

> So make certain you really understand what "supported"
> means under Linux, especially for printers/scanners/digital
> cameras and video cards.

Exactly.  Then unquestioningly buy Microsoft Windows, as
Microsoft is the only company That Really Cares(tm).

>
> Karen
>

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
It's still legal to go .sigless.

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:11:10 -0700, Karen Livermore wrote:

> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
> 
To expose a myth you have to do a little reasearch, if you had reasearched
the subject of your post you would have been mortified; that you could
have contemplated writing such inaccurate rubbish.

Jem..

Karen Livermore poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:

Karen, you are a waste of time.  You're history.


-- 
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:11:10 -0700, Karen Livermore wrote:

> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
> 
> 
> Why so many distributions?
> The Linux weirdos would like you to believe that it is because of
> *choice* but the informed user knows that it is because most
> distributions are so bad that you need to keep searching to find the one
> distribution that does everything right. Good luck because you will
> never find it. One distribution can print.
> Another can use plugins for browsers. Another has a decent package
> manager. Still another supports most video cards. No distribution will
> do it all however, and THAT is the REAL reason why their are 100+
> different distributions.

Damn!  You've found us out!

Yes, it's true.  There has been a worldwide conspiracy for years to create
more and more Linux distributions, each one with a different capaability.
And it was all to hide the fact that no one distro can do it all.

I know it's true because I was there.  I remember it as if it were
yesterday, though it happened one night about 6 years ago.

Linus Torvalds, Richard Stallman, Eric Raymond, Ken Thompson, and I were
all sitting around eating pizza and drinking Diet Dr. Pepper when Linus
said, "You know, I recently discovered a Law of Physics that prevents a
single Linux distribution from being able to support most video cards,
browser plugins, popular printers while also having a decent package
manager."

"No!" we all said in unison, but alas, it was true.  He demonstrated the
proof, which we all understood and verified instantly, and for the next
several seconds, we were quite dejected.

"Well," Eric said, "there's only one thing to do."

"Create hundreds and hundreds..." Richard started.

"...of different distributions..." Ken finished his thought.

"Each with a different capability!" I chimed in, finally catching on.  (I
was always the slow one of the bunch.)

"But we'll have to keep it a secret," Linus pointed out.

"Obviously."

"Of course."

"We have no other choice."

"So, who's up for some nethack???" cried Ken.

"Ooot, oot!"

And that's how it all started.  I have to tell you it's a relief to get it
all out, at last.

But...how did you find us out?  I bet it was Linus, that rat!

-- 
Buford

Karen Livermore wrote:

> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
....
> Linux programs are as good or better than Windows programs.
> This one is a bold faced lie.
> For example OpenOffice exists for Windows as well as Linux.
> So do we see evidence of MSOffice users migrating to OO?
> Of course not.
> So why wouldn't anyone wish to save $300 per seat?
> Well they would if the product they were interested in was as good as
> MSOffice.
> OpenOffice is a joke.
> It can't render MSOffice tables correctly and don't even ask about
> macros.

MSOffice can't render my Windows TablePlus tables properly (and that's on 
Windows!) - so, by your observation, I shouldn't use MSOffice: great you've 
just saved me ���s

Robert Newson wrote:
> Karen Livermore wrote:
> 
>> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
> 
> ...
> 
>> Linux programs are as good or better than Windows programs.
>> This one is a bold faced lie.
>> For example OpenOffice exists for Windows as well as Linux.
>> So do we see evidence of MSOffice users migrating to OO?
>> Of course not.
>> So why wouldn't anyone wish to save $300 per seat?
>> Well they would if the product they were interested in was as good as
>> MSOffice.
>> OpenOffice is a joke.
>> It can't render MSOffice tables correctly and don't even ask about
>> macros.
> 
> 
> MSOffice can't render my Windows TablePlus tables properly (and that's 
> on Windows!) - so, by your observation, I shouldn't use MSOffice: great 
> you've just saved me ���s

My Microsoft Works Suite 2000 has a spreadsheet program, but it cannot 
open excel files! OpenOffice can and it costs less!
I paid for this Microsoftware about 85 euros. :p

On 2005-04-23, Tatu Portin <axel86@mbnet.fi> wrote:
> Robert Newson wrote:
>> Karen Livermore wrote:
>> 
>>> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>>> Linux programs are as good or better than Windows programs.
>>> This one is a bold faced lie.
>>> For example OpenOffice exists for Windows as well as Linux.
>>> So do we see evidence of MSOffice users migrating to OO?
>>> Of course not.
>>> So why wouldn't anyone wish to save $300 per seat?
>>> Well they would if the product they were interested in was as good as
>>> MSOffice.
>>> OpenOffice is a joke.
>>> It can't render MSOffice tables correctly and don't even ask about
>>> macros.
>> 
>> 
>> MSOffice can't render my Windows TablePlus tables properly (and that's 
>> on Windows!) - so, by your observation, I shouldn't use MSOffice: great 
>> you've just saved me ���s
>
> My Microsoft Works Suite 2000 has a spreadsheet program, but it cannot 
> open excel files! OpenOffice can and it costs less!
> I paid for this Microsoftware about 85 euros. :p

If you *have* to use a windows program, do what most windows users do;
steal the program. Fire up your favorite p2p client, and get a cracked
version of the program and/or operating system. If the company supports
linux *buy* the program.

 
> Damn!  You've found us out!
> 
> Yes, it's true.  There has been a worldwide conspiracy for years to create
> more and more Linux distributions, each one with a different capaability.
> And it was all to hide the fact that no one distro can do it all.
> 
> I know it's true because I was there.  I remember it as if it were
> yesterday, though it happened one night about 6 years ago.
> 
> Linus Torvalds, Richard Stallman, Eric Raymond, Ken Thompson, and I were
> all sitting around eating pizza and drinking Diet Dr. Pepper when Linus
> said, "You know, I recently discovered a Law of Physics that prevents a
> single Linux distribution from being able to support most video cards,
> browser plugins, popular printers while also having a decent package
> manager."

The scary bit is we could all have a distribution that is tailored to fit
our needs, just think a system that does what you want, and for business a 
system tailored to the needs of your workers, a bit of an eutopian idea I
know.. But wait it isn't an eutopian idea its real you can have these
things. See Linux, See Freedom.

Jem..

> 
> 
> The scary bit is we could all have a distribution that is tailored to fit
> our needs, just think a system that does what you want, and for business a 
> system tailored to the needs of your workers, a bit of an eutopian idea I
> know.. But wait it isn't an eutopian idea its real you can have these
> things. See Linux, See Freedom.
> 
> Jem..
> 

Hmmmmm, sounds like the beginning of a cool commerical to me

On Saturday 23 April 2005 15:50 Tatu Portin wrote:

> Robert Newson wrote:
>> Karen Livermore wrote:
>> 
>>> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>>> Linux programs are as good or better than Windows programs.
>>> This one is a bold faced lie.
>>> For example OpenOffice exists for Windows as well as Linux.
>>> So do we see evidence of MSOffice users migrating to OO?
>>> Of course not.
>>> So why wouldn't anyone wish to save $300 per seat?
>>> Well they would if the product they were interested in was as good
>>> as MSOffice.
>>> OpenOffice is a joke.
>>> It can't render MSOffice tables correctly and don't even ask about
>>> macros.
>> 
>> 
>> MSOffice can't render my Windows TablePlus tables properly (and
>> that's on Windows!) - so, by your observation, I shouldn't use
>> MSOffice: great you've just saved me ���s
> 
> My Microsoft Works Suite 2000 has a spreadsheet program, but it
> cannot open excel files! OpenOffice can and it costs less!
> I paid for this Microsoftware about 85 euros. :p

Just a minute!!!

I'm sure that a mate of mine told me that HIS new computer came with
MS Works, and that it wouldn't read/edit/write his old MS Word docs.
Is that true?
His old (broken) computer had MS Office pre-installed, but he had no
way of transferring it to his new PC of course.
I told him to use OpenOffice, btw.
Did I do right?

Bill

Nor from me.  I'd rather install something like Red Hat 5.2 (and just
did on a computer that Bill said is outdated.), than give Bill another
dime.  With this "outdated"  PC and OS, I can procede to teach myself
programming, and  learn from the ground up.  Thank makes me alot
happier than putting out big-bills(no pun intended) for M$ crap.  "

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:11:10 -0700, Miguel wrote:

> Just some of the Linux myths exposed

Karen, as per Open Office functionality: 
cost $0
programs  complete suite
It is actually easier and has more practical, diverse uses than the
worm-ridden, virus-prone and absurdly expensive MS office versions and
Open Office runs on various OS's.  The list of advantages is far longer
than Microshaft's.
Same for Linux... many many FREE programs.  The list of hardware
compatibility is growing exponentially AND many things(devices, networks)
start working automatically on Linux without the user having to do
anything at all...  no setup,  no nada.
Sure, Linux has probs but hell, the probs are FREE.  With MS you pay
dearly for a larger set of different-flavored problems!
 Karen, maybe you want to do your
research more thoroughly so as to not appear foolish to SO MANY people.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:08:35 +0100, B Gruff wrote:

> On Saturday 23 April 2005 15:50 Tatu Portin wrote:
> 
>> Robert Newson wrote:
>>> Karen Livermore wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Just some of the Linux myths exposed
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> 
>>>> Linux programs are as good or better than Windows programs.
>>>> This one is a bold faced lie.
>>>> For example OpenOffice exists for Windows as well as Linux.
>>>> So do we see evidence of MSOffice users migrating to OO?
>>>> Of course not.
>>>> So why wouldn't anyone wish to save $300 per seat?
>>>> Well they would if the product they were interested in was as good
>>>> as MSOffice.
>>>> OpenOffice is a joke.
>>>> It can't render MSOffice tables correctly and don't even ask about
>>>> macros.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> MSOffice can't render my Windows TablePlus tables properly (and
>>> that's on Windows!) - so, by your observation, I shouldn't use
>>> MSOffice: great you've just saved me ���s
>> 
>> My Microsoft Works Suite 2000 has a spreadsheet program, but it
>> cannot open excel files! OpenOffice can and it costs less!
>> I paid for this Microsoftware about 85 euros. :p
> 
> Just a minute!!!
> 
> I'm sure that a mate of mine told me that HIS new computer came with
> MS Works, and that it wouldn't read/edit/write his old MS Word docs.
> Is that true?

Good old MS Works Word Processor!  If you tell it to open a
MS Word .doc file _as_ type MS Word .doc file, it fails.  But
it'll often work if you tell it to open it as type 'All files',
at least for the simple files I've tried.  Go figure.

> His old (broken) computer had MS Office pre-installed, but he had no
> way of transferring it to his new PC of course.
> I told him to use OpenOffice, btw.
> Did I do right?

That's what I do.