Hi,

New to Linux .. just installed Mandrake 10.0.

I read the manual and it says to logout and I will get the following dlg 
with options :
http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Starter.html/ch05s06.html#kde-logout-yn
But, this dlg never appears .. instead I get a 'End Session for "UserID"' 
with the options Logout and Cancel.  Logout, takes me back to the login 
screen.  So I can't shutdown there.

I tried the shutdown command from the shell and got a Command not Found 
message.

From the Run Command dlg, I enter "shutdown" and press enter and get "Could 
not run the specified command".

Is this me doing something wrong?  Or is there something wrong with my 
setup?

TIA,
John

On 2004-12-21, John <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote:
> with the options Logout and Cancel.  Logout, takes me back to the login 
> screen.  So I can't shutdown there.

There should be a "shutdown" in the lower part of the screen when you
are in the login screen. Failing that, press CTRL-ALT-F2, login as
root and then type 'shutdown -h now'.

> I tried the shutdown command from the shell and got a Command not Found 
> message.

You must be root.
Davide

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> But, this dlg never appears .. instead I get a 'End Session for "UserID"' 
> with the options Logout and Cancel.  Logout, takes me back to the login 
> screen.  So I can't shutdown there.

There's no option (or sub-option) for halt at the main login screen?
Anyway, Mandrake runs its own display manager (MdkKDM) by default, 
which is too dumbed down, instead of standard KDE display manager 
(KDM). One of the first things I do after a fresh Mandrake 
installation is, changing it back to KDM, as follows:

Configure your computer (aka "drakconf" command) -> System -> Display 
Manager : Choose KDM here.

Then it should work as expected.

> I tried the shutdown command from the shell and got a Command not Found 
> message.

First become root (administator) with the "su -" command (it asks for 
root password) before issuing "halt" command.

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"Davide Bianchi" <davideyeahsure@onlyforfun.net> wrote in message 
news:slrncsge9g.ekl.davideyeahsure@fogg.onlyforfun.net...
> On 2004-12-21, John <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote:
>> with the options Logout and Cancel.  Logout, takes me back to the login
>> screen.  So I can't shutdown there.
>
> There should be a "shutdown" in the lower part of the screen when you
> are in the login screen. Failing that, press CTRL-ALT-F2, login as
> root and then type 'shutdown -h now'.

Thanks for the quick response.

There are Reboot and Halt buttons, but they are greyed out.

When I log in as root it warns me that I should not be logging into a GUI as 
root unless I know what I'm doing ... which I obviously don't  ;-)

If I su root; I can do it.  But is that the norm?  Shouldn't any user be 
able to shutdown the system?  Is this because I set the security level to 
highest?

Thanks,
John

In comp.os.linux.misc <BtWxd.13129$GK5.856121@news20.bellglobal.com> John <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote:
> Is this me doing something wrong?  Or is there something wrong with my 
> setup?

Nothing wrong, the option's probably just hidden. Places to try:

1. When you log out, see if there's a radio button for "shut down"
instead of "log out".

2. On the main login screen, see if under one of the menus there's a
"shut the system down" item. You may need to find a "configure" item and
enable the ability in the configuration first.

3. Use the "shutdown" command ("shutdown -h now" would be the normal
invocation for "shut down and halt the computer now"). You'll need to be
logged in as root to do this since a) normal users don't have the
privilege to shut the system down and b) the command's not in a
directory visible in an ordinary user's path. I usually go to a console
(via Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F1 or Alt-SysRq-F1 depending on setup), and log in
as root there to do this or doing "su --login root" or "su -" will do
the trick.

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John wrote:

> 
> "Davide Bianchi" <davideyeahsure@onlyforfun.net> wrote in message 
> news:slrncsge9g.ekl.davideyeahsure@fogg.onlyforfun.net...
>> On 2004-12-21, John <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote:
>>> with the options Logout and Cancel.  Logout, takes me back to the login
>>> screen.  So I can't shutdown there.
>>
>> There should be a "shutdown" in the lower part of the screen when you
>> are in the login screen. Failing that, press CTRL-ALT-F2, login as
>> root and then type 'shutdown -h now'.

> There are Reboot and Halt buttons, but they are greyed out.

meaning you dont have permission to shutdown. if you go )kde, i assume) :
control center -> sys admin -> login manager -> shutdown

you can specify who can shutdown

> When I log in as root it warns me that I should not be logging into a GUI as 
> root unless I know what I'm doing ... which I obviously don't  ;-)

yea, you shouldnt

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John wrote:
> If I su root; I can do it.  But is that the norm?  Shouldn't any user be 
> able to shutdown the system?  Is this because I set the security level to 
> highest?

I haven't got Mandrake so I can't offer specific advice there but on
Fedora and Redhat halt, poweroff and reboot can be run as a normal user
by someone logged in directly (i.e. physically) on the machine but not
if logged in from the network.


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John wrote:
> 
> If I su root; I can do it.  But is that the norm?  Shouldn't any user be 
> able to shutdown the system?  

Remember that Linux is by nature a multi-user system.  You could have 
users connected to ssh sessions over the network (for example), as well 
as the local user(s).  If anyone could shut down the system, some of 
those users may find their sessions abrubtly terminated.

So what you are seeing is more-or-less normal behaviour.  In general, 
users should *not* be able to shut down the system unless they've been 
specifically granted that right (e.g., through the KDE control panel or 
by giving them the root password).

"John" <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Davide Bianchi" <davideyeahsure@onlyforfun.net> wrote in message
> news:slrncsge9g.ekl.davideyeahsure@fogg.onlyforfun.net...
> > On 2004-12-21, John <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote:
> >> with the options Logout and Cancel.  Logout, takes me back to the login
> >> screen.  So I can't shutdown there.
> >
> > There should be a "shutdown" in the lower part of the screen when you
> > are in the login screen. Failing that, press CTRL-ALT-F2, login as
> > root and then type 'shutdown -h now'.
>
> Thanks for the quick response.
>
> There are Reboot and Halt buttons, but they are greyed out.
>
> When I log in as root it warns me that I should not be logging into a GUI
as
> root unless I know what I'm doing ... which I obviously don't  ;-)
>
> If I su root; I can do it.  But is that the norm?  Shouldn't any user be
> able to shutdown the system?  Is this because I set the security level to
> highest?
>

There is always the good old reliable command line options.
Open a "terminal window" and
su -
# to login as root
init 0 # shuts down & powers off the box
init 1 # takes you to single user mode & needs a "console" attached in this
mode
init 6 # reboots
man init # for RTFM

On 2004-12-21, John <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote:
>
> New to Linux .. just installed Mandrake 10.0.

Welcome.  We were all newbies once, some of us more recently
than others.

> I read the manual and it says to logout and I will get the following dlg 
> with options :
> http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Starter.html/ch05s06.html#kde-logout-yn
> But, this dlg never appears .. instead I get a 'End Session for "UserID"' 
> with the options Logout and Cancel.  Logout, takes me back to the login 
> screen.  So I can't shutdown there.
>
> I tried the shutdown command from the shell and got a Command not Found 
> message.
>
> From the Run Command dlg, I enter "shutdown" and press enter and get "Could 
> not run the specified command".
>
> Is this me doing something wrong?  Or is there something wrong with my 
> setup?

Do you have the 'usermode' package installed?

Are you using runlevel 3 (text login) or runlevel 5
(graphical login)?  If runlevel 3, using startx to start X,
you need to _not_ exit from the text console.  Either that,
or you have to do a lot of tweaks to a whole bunch of
configuration files.

Good luck.

Robert Riches
spamtrap42@verizon.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:32:00 -0500, John <dont@send.me.spam.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> New to Linux .. just installed Mandrake 10.0.
>
> I read the manual and it says to logout and I will get the
> following dlg with options :

> http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Starter.html/ch05s06.html#kde-logout-yn

> But, this dlg never appears .. instead I get a 'End Session for
> "UserID"' with the options Logout and Cancel.  Logout, takes me
> back to the login screen.  So I can't shutdown there.
>
> I tried the shutdown command from the shell and got a Command
> not Found message.
>
> From the Run Command dlg, I enter "shutdown" and press enter
> and get "Could not run the specified command".
>
> Is this me doing something wrong?  Or is there something wrong
> with my setup?
>
> TIA, John
>
>

Shutdown has to be run as root.

# shutdown -h now

-r instead of -h to reboot

On my Debian box, Ctrl-Alt-Del will do the job. This is the line
in my /etc/inittab that causes it to work:

ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -h now

That will work as a normal user.

AC 

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:32:00 -0500, John wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> New to Linux .. just installed Mandrake 10.0.
> 
> I read the manual and it says to logout and I will get the following dlg 
> with options :
> http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Starter.html/ch05s06.html#kde-logout-yn
> But, this dlg never appears .. instead I get a 'End Session for "UserID"' 
> with the options Logout and Cancel.  Logout, takes me back to the login 
> screen.  So I can't shutdown there.
> 
> I tried the shutdown command from the shell and got a Command not Found 
> message.
> 
> From the Run Command dlg, I enter "shutdown" and press enter and get "Could 
> not run the specified command".
> 
> Is this me doing something wrong?  Or is there something wrong with my 
> setup?
> 
> TIA,
> John

That's pretty funny!
The only thing wrong with your setup is that you are way over your head
with the so called "user frinedly" Linux.

FWIW, just hit the BRS and let the wonderful Linux filesystems recover
your data, when and if they come up on the next boot.
HTH

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:35:45 -0500, Linda Wang wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:32:00 -0500, John wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> 
>> New to Linux .. just installed Mandrake 10.0.
>> 
>> I read the manual and it says to logout and I will get the following dlg 
>> with options :
>> http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Starter.html/ch05s06.html#kde-logout-yn
>> But, this dlg never appears .. instead I get a 'End Session for "UserID"' 
>> with the options Logout and Cancel.  Logout, takes me back to the login 
>> screen.  So I can't shutdown there.
>> 
>> I tried the shutdown command from the shell and got a Command not Found 
>> message.
>> 
>> From the Run Command dlg, I enter "shutdown" and press enter and get "Could 
>> not run the specified command".
>> 
>> Is this me doing something wrong?  Or is there something wrong with my 
>> setup?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> John
>
> That's pretty funny!
> The only thing wrong with your setup is that you are way over your head
> with the so called "user frinedly" Linux.
>
> FWIW, just hit the BRS and let the wonderful Linux filesystems recover
> your data, when and if they come up on the next boot.
> HTH

Or get a Real Distribution like Slackware.  You know, with stuff that's 
actually TESTED.

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Linda Wang wrote:
> That's pretty funny!
> The only thing wrong with your setup is that you are way over your head
> with the so called "user frinedly" Linux.
> 
> FWIW, just hit the BRS and let the wonderful Linux filesystems recover
> your data, when and if they come up on the next boot.

On modern PCs with modern OSes, hitting the "BRS" will shut the machine
down gracefully.

I do hope that isn't over your head.

Paul

Linda Wang wrote:


>> I tried the shutdown command from the shell and got a Command not Found
>> message.
>> 
>> From the Run Command dlg, I enter "shutdown" and press enter and get
>> "Could not run the specified command".
>> 
>> Is this me doing something wrong?  Or is there something wrong with my
>> setup?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> John
> 

No John, the question has been answered before so hopefully you know how to
do it now. If you are using KDE you can set your /etc/inittab file to use
kdm that will give you the ability to shut down from within kde.



> That's pretty funny!
> The only thing wrong with your setup is that you are way over your head
> with the so called "user frinedly" Linux.


Basically what you are saying is that Linux is way over YOUR head. The
numerous postings you have made about being unable to get it even going
proves that. It doesn't mean that it is over everyones head just those with
the iq of a sandlouse.

> 
> FWIW, just hit the BRS and let the wonderful Linux filesystems recover
> your data, when and if they come up on the next boot.
> HTH

That's a windows solution for when the whole thing freezes.



-- 
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*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*

Shutting down is easy.

1) If in GUI (Gnome, KDE etc..) log out of it.
2) You will then either get a login manager screen like GDM or KDM so
chose shutdown from the system menu.
3) If logging out of the GUI puts you in a console, type 'halt' or hit
ctrl-alt-del to restart.

It's not rocket science.

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Linda Wang wrote:

> That's pretty funny!
> The only thing wrong with your setup is that you are way over your
> head with the so called "user frinedly" Linux.
> 
> FWIW, just hit the BRS and let the wonderful Linux filesystems
> recover your data, when and if they come up on the next boot.
> HTH

My word, I suppose that that is very funny, "Linda".
One would have thought Linux would be clever enough to have a "Start"
button to click when you wanted to Stop - yes?:-)

In case you missed one of the replies in the group from which you
cross-posted, I reproduce it below.  To me, it seemed very sensible
and very telling.

Hope *this* helps:-)

Bill

John-Paul Stewart wrote: 
> Remember that Linux is by nature a multi-user system.  You could
> have users connected to ssh sessions over the network (for example),
> as well
> as the local user(s).  If anyone could shut down the system, some of
> those users may find their sessions abrubtly terminated.
> 
> So what you are seeing is more-or-less normal behaviour.  In
> general, users should *not* be able to shut down the system unless
> they've been specifically granted that right (e.g., through the KDE
> control panel or by giving them the root password).

In article B Gruff says...
> Linda Wang wrote:
> 
> > That's pretty funny!
> > The only thing wrong with your setup is that you are way over your
> > head with the so called "user frinedly" Linux.
> > 
> > FWIW, just hit the BRS and let the wonderful Linux filesystems
> > recover your data, when and if they come up on the next boot.
> > HTH
> 
> My word, I suppose that that is very funny, "Linda".
> One would have thought Linux would be clever enough to have a "Start"
> button to click when you wanted to Stop - yes?:-)

ROFLMAO you stoopid Loonix user. Big red switch - off button on front of 
case. Linux ACPI is so fucked up that hitting the switch does fuck all 
unlike Windows where it gracefully shuts down the OS.

Oh, have you managed to get power management working on laptops yet?

-- 
Conor

A man alone in the forest is talking to himself and no women around to 
hear him. Is he still wrong?

John wrote:


> If I su root; I can do it.  But is that the norm?  Shouldn't any user be
> able to shutdown the system?  Is this because I set the security level to
> highest?
> 
> Thanks,
> John

Set your security to standard, setting it high will limit
your access
-- 
faeychild

On 2004-12-21, John <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote:

> When I log in as root it warns me that I should not be logging into a GUI as 
> root unless I know what I'm doing ... which I obviously don't  ;-)
>
> If I su root; I can do it.  But is that the norm?  Shouldn't any user be 
> able to shutdown the system?  

No; *nix is designed to be multi-user. Allowing anyone to shut down the 
system could cause multiple other users problems. 

That said, many modern distributions trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE to force an 
orderly shutdown.

-- 

John (john@os2.dhs.org)

Conor wrote:

> In article B Gruff says...
>> Linda Wang wrote:
>> 
>> > That's pretty funny!
>> > The only thing wrong with your setup is that you are way over your
>> > head with the so called "user frinedly" Linux.
>> > 
>> > FWIW, just hit the BRS and let the wonderful Linux filesystems
>> > recover your data, when and if they come up on the next boot.
>> > HTH
>> 
>> My word, I suppose that that is very funny, "Linda".
>> One would have thought Linux would be clever enough to have a "Start"
>> button to click when you wanted to Stop - yes?:-)
> 
> ROFLMAO you stoopid Loonix user. Big red switch - off button on front of

Spoken like a true billy goat bum boy.
Windopes know all too well what that button is for having to
listen to billy goat's dick telling them to press that button all day.
And then they pay.

Conor wrote:

> In article B Gruff says...
>> Linda Wang wrote:
>> 
>> > That's pretty funny!
>> > The only thing wrong with your setup is that you are way over
>> > your head with the so called "user frinedly" Linux.
>> > 
>> > FWIW, just hit the BRS and let the wonderful Linux filesystems
>> > recover your data, when and if they come up on the next boot.
>> > HTH
>> 
>> My word, I suppose that that is very funny, "Linda".
>> One would have thought Linux would be clever enough to have a
>> "Start" button to click when you wanted to Stop - yes?:-)
> 
> ROFLMAO you stoopid Loonix user. Big red switch - off button on
> front of case. Linux ACPI is so fucked up that hitting the switch
> does fuck all unlike Windows where it gracefully shuts down the OS.

Good heavens - is that the way that they are teaching it in your
school, Conor?  The power switch always used to be the last resort,
although its use was quite frequent in the days of Windows, which
used to freeze quite frequently, of course.  I must admit, I rather
miss all those "Please close Windows down properly next time"
admonishments, and the reassuring pretty picture as it "checked my
drives".

I think that you are being a bit harsh referring to Linda as a
"stoopid Loonix user", though - I don't think that she uses Linux,
does she?
- and anyway, I think that she's just as clever as you are.

Bill

Bill

In comp.os.linux.misc jafar <nomorev14gra@idontlike.spam> wrote:
> Shutting down is easy.
> 
> 1) If in GUI (Gnome, KDE etc..) log out of it.
> 2) You will then either get a login manager screen like GDM or KDM so
> chose shutdown from the system menu.
> 3) If logging out of the GUI puts you in a console, type 'halt' or hit
> ctrl-alt-del to restart.
> 
> It's not rocket science.

No, but shutdown, even from C-A-D, can be using the -a option which
requires the shutter-downer to be listed in /etc/shutdown.allow

Or..
	visudo    ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/halt

Now make a big red icon with that command.

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> In article B Gruff says...
>> Linda Wang wrote:
>> 
>> > That's pretty funny!
>> > The only thing wrong with your setup is that you are way over your
>> > head with the so called "user frinedly" Linux.
>> > 
>> > FWIW, just hit the BRS and let the wonderful Linux filesystems
>> > recover your data, when and if they come up on the next boot. HTH
>> 
>> My word, I suppose that that is very funny, "Linda". One would have
>> thought Linux would be clever enough to have a "Start" button to click
>> when you wanted to Stop - yes?:-)
> 
> ROFLMAO you stoopid Loonix user. Big red switch - off button on front of
> case. Linux ACPI is so fucked up that hitting the switch does fuck all
> unlike Windows where it gracefully shuts down the OS.

"Gracefully"?  Is that why so many people want to know howto disable this
"feature" when an accidental tap causes the system to power down right in
the middle of a session?

Yes, Linux has this "feature" as well, why anyone would want it is beyond
me, especially if they have children.  Hopefully, this excludes you.

> Oh, have you managed to get power management working on laptops yet?

Yes, have you?

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Keep it short for pithy sake.

On 2004-12-21, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com> sputtered:
> In article B Gruff says...

>> My word, I suppose that that is very funny, "Linda".
>> One would have thought Linux would be clever enough to have a "Start"
>> button to click when you wanted to Stop - yes?:-)
>
> ROFLMAO you stoopid Loonix user. Big red switch - off button on front of 
> case. Linux ACPI is so fucked up that hitting the switch does fuck all 
> unlike Windows where it gracefully shuts down the OS.

Or not work at all. Which is often. 11 outta 12 at $JOB when last I
checked.

> Oh, have you managed to get power management working on laptops yet?

No. I don't use a laptop. Evidently it works, though, because it shuts
crap down on my machine unless I remember to uninstall it or not
install it in the first place.

-- 
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In article B Gruff says...

> 
> Good heavens - is that the way that they are teaching it in your
> school, Conor?  The power switch always used to be the last resort,
> although its use was quite frequent in the days of Windows, which
> used to freeze quite frequently, of course. 

OH MY GOD. Have you never heard of ACPI in Linux? It allows you to do 
nifty things like set the OS up so that when you press the power button 
on the PC it can put it in standby, hibernation or shut it down in the 
same way as you'd shut it down from the start button.

But seeing as its broke in Linux, I guess you've not experienced this 
wonderful ability.

-- 
Conor

A man alone in the forest is talking to himself and no women around to 
hear him. Is he still wrong?

In article rapskat says...

> 
> "Gracefully"?  Is that why so many people want to know howto disable this
> "feature" when an accidental tap causes the system to power down right in
> the middle of a session?
> 
<snigger>

Another linux looser demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge about 
ACPI.

That is "gracefully" as in exactly the equivalent of what happens when 
you click Start, Shutdown.



-- 
Conor

A man alone in the forest is talking to himself and no women around to 
hear him. Is he still wrong?

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:12:21 -0500, John 
  <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote:
>
> "Davide Bianchi" <davideyeahsure@onlyforfun.net> wrote in message 
> news:slrncsge9g.ekl.davideyeahsure@fogg.onlyforfun.net...
>> On 2004-12-21, John <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote:
>>> with the options Logout and Cancel.  Logout, takes me back to the login
>>> screen.  So I can't shutdown there.
>>
>> There should be a "shutdown" in the lower part of the screen when you
>> are in the login screen. Failing that, press CTRL-ALT-F2, login as
>> root and then type 'shutdown -h now'.
>
> Thanks for the quick response.
>
> There are Reboot and Halt buttons, but they are greyed out.
>
> When I log in as root it warns me that I should not be logging into a GUI as 
> root unless I know what I'm doing ... which I obviously don't  ;-)
>
If you press ctrl-alt-f2 and log in, you won't be logging into a 
GUI.  Or you could press ctrl-alt-f2 and then ctrl-alt-delete.  On most 
systems, that will shutdown and reboot.  You can hit the power button 
when it starts to boot, or you can change the "shutdown -r now" in 
/etc/inittab to "shutdown -h now".

-- 
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begin  Linda Wang wrote:

> That's pretty funny!

There's nothing amusing about Flounder.

> FWIW, just hit the BRS

The technique perfected by Microsoft in the early 1980s.
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Conor voiced his/her/it's humble opinion in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue 
21 Dec 2004 03:44:36p:

> In article B Gruff says...
>> Linda Wang wrote:
>> 
>> > That's pretty funny!
>> > The only thing wrong with your setup is that you are way over your
>> > head with the so called "user frinedly" Linux.
>> > 
>> > FWIW, just hit the BRS and let the wonderful Linux filesystems
>> > recover your data, when and if they come up on the next boot.
>> > HTH
>> 
>> My word, I suppose that that is very funny, "Linda".
>> One would have thought Linux would be clever enough to have a "Start"
>> button to click when you wanted to Stop - yes?:-)
> 
> ROFLMAO you stoopid Loonix user. Big red switch - off button on front 
of 
> case. Linux ACPI is so fucked up that hitting the switch does fuck all 
> unlike Windows where it gracefully shuts down the OS.
> 
> Oh, have you managed to get power management working on laptops yet?
> 

Jeez man, what kind of case were you using?  Must be using a copy of an 
old XT case (C~1985).  A chinese copy, I'll wager, as the original had 
the big red button on the back on the power supply.  I seem to recall 
stuffing an AT mother board in one and using my Dremel tool to carve out 
some space in the front for a CD drive.  One of my first mods, really 
takes me back....


Later......

     Labrat......  |:^{)


A recent convert to the flightless bird.

Conor voiced his/her/it's humble opinion in comp.os.linux.advocacy on
Tue 21 Dec 2004 07:52:46p: 

> In article rapskat says...
> 
>> 
>> "Gracefully"?  Is that why so many people want to know howto disable
>> this "feature" when an accidental tap causes the system to power down
>> right in the middle of a session?
>> 
> <snigger>
> 
> Another linux looser demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge about 
> ACPI.
> 
> That is "gracefully" as in exactly the equivalent of what happens when
> you click Start, Shutdown.
> 
> 
> 

Funny, I hit my equivalent Start button in KDE, > logoff user, and have  
the convienience of;

Restart Session
Restart Computer
Shutdown Computer

No MSDOS mode of course.  That would make it too easy to get around in 
Linux .... sigh

What's really weird tho is that my ACPI works all the way up to my 
motherboard's abilities and I never set a single switch.  Go figure eh?

Must be a fluke of course eh?

Maybe SuSE assimilated settings from windblows, kind of like BORG?

Doubt it.  Never got that crap working in windblows at all.  If my 
monitor shuts off .... it's reboot time!

Been there and done all that too.  Don't work, don't care.  Shucking 
windblows ASAP.  Just need it to get the stuff I need to get my first 
real install of Linux rockin'


Later......

     Labrat......  |:^{)


A recent convert to the flightless bird.

begin Conor piddled around and finally wrote:

> In article B Gruff says...
>> Linda Wang wrote:
>> 
>> > That's pretty funny!
>> > The only thing wrong with your setup is that you are way over your
>> > head with the so called "user frinedly" Linux.
>> > 
>> > FWIW, just hit the BRS and let the wonderful Linux filesystems
>> > recover your data, when and if they come up on the next boot.
>> > HTH
>> 
>> My word, I suppose that that is very funny, "Linda".
>> One would have thought Linux would be clever enough to have a "Start"
>> button to click when you wanted to Stop - yes?:-)
> 
> I was dropped on my head as an infant...they said I laughed so hard shit came
> out my mouth!

  And still is.

Hello
Just press Alt+F2 or Run menu fron start  and type "init 0" to shutdown
and "init 6" ot restart your pc in linux. its  very simple and faster.
Enjoy Working with linux................
Yours,
govindaraj

In article Labrat says...
> Conor voiced his/her/it's humble opinion in comp.os.linux.advocacy on
> Tue 21 Dec 2004 07:52:46p: 
> 
> > In article rapskat says...
> > 
> >> 
> >> "Gracefully"?  Is that why so many people want to know howto disable
> >> this "feature" when an accidental tap causes the system to power down
> >> right in the middle of a session?
> >> 
> > <snigger>
> > 
> > Another linux looser demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge about 
> > ACPI.
> > 
> > That is "gracefully" as in exactly the equivalent of what happens when
> > you click Start, Shutdown.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Funny, I hit my equivalent Start button in KDE, > logoff user, and have  
> the convienience of;
> 
> Restart Session
> Restart Computer
> Shutdown Computer
> 
> No MSDOS mode of course.  That would make it too easy to get around in 
> Linux .... sigh
> 
> What's really weird tho is that my ACPI works all the way up to my 
> motherboard's abilities and I never set a single switch.  Go figure eh?
> 
> Must be a fluke of course eh?
> 
Press the power switch on your PC...what happens? NOTHING.
 

-- 
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A man alone in the forest is talking to himself and no women around to 
hear him. Is he still wrong?

On 2004-12-22, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com> sputtered:

> Press the power switch on your PC...what happens? NOTHING.

Mine turns off. Like the power switch on a lamp does there. Or the
power switch on the TV or the monitor or the garbage disposal.

What do power switches do in your world?

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John Thompson wrote:
> On 2004-12-21, John <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>When I log in as root it warns me that I should not be logging into a GUI as 
>>root unless I know what I'm doing ... which I obviously don't  ;-)
>>
>>If I su root; I can do it.  But is that the norm?  Shouldn't any user be 
>>able to shutdown the system?  
> 
> 
> No; *nix is designed to be multi-user. Allowing anyone to shut down the 
> system could cause multiple other users problems. 
> 
> That said, many modern distributions trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE to force an 
> orderly shutdown.
> 
Ah John - welcome to the learning curve...

Have you tried multiple logins on the same machine?
Yup - linux allows it
(try CTRL + ALT + Fn) where n = {1, ... 6}

Now on multiple logins you will usually have gui's sitting at CTRL + ALT 
+ F7 or higher F's

It really is a lovely OS or range of flavours of OS's

PLUS!  Root may be default set to allow adduser (try it at the root 
prompt - if u dunno just prod return)  BUT root may not have access to 
all the software)

PLUS! if you install software for user001 don be surprised if user002 
can't access the software PLUS

user00N may not access user00P (where N does not equal P) workreas

with linux (all IMHO as I've only toyed with it for a week or 2) your PC 
becomes a multi-user login workstation AND you become the workstation
administrator chief do-er

Articeus

John Thompson wrote:
> On 2004-12-21, John <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>When I log in as root it warns me that I should not be logging into a GUI as 
>>root unless I know what I'm doing ... which I obviously don't  ;-)
>>
>>If I su root; I can do it.  But is that the norm?  Shouldn't any user be 
>>able to shutdown the system?  
> 
> 
> No; *nix is designed to be multi-user. Allowing anyone to shut down the 
> system could cause multiple other users problems. 
> 
> That said, many modern distributions trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE to force an 
> orderly shutdown.
> 
PS

a) do CTRL ALT F1

b) login as root

c) do CTRL ALT F2

d) login as user001 (or whatever name you gave to first login)

e) at the prompt type
startx

assuming you got X up n running well OR whatever GUI command your 
flavour of linux prefers

f) do CTRL ALT F7
hey!  Gui!

g) when finished in the GUI do
CTRL ALT F1

h) now back at the root prompt and type
halt

On my linux (vectorlinux 4.3) even when I have induced system crashes 
the GUI opens up with saved data.  Groovy innit!

Aerticeus

Thanks for all the comments.

After the first couple replies, I figured it out ..  'su' to root, then 
'shutdown -h now' ... it didn't even occur to me that a user could not shut 
down .. I've been using Windows too long.

Another person pointed out that I am 'in over my head with the "user 
frinedly" Linux,  the comment seemed to imply 'hopelessly over my head'. 
Well I am in over my head, intentionally, that's just how I learn, give me a 
couple days at it.  ;-)

Thanks again,
John

PS-I'm really excited about learning Linux

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:28:19 -0500, John <dont@send.me.spam.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for all the comments.
>
> After the first couple replies, I figured it out .. 'su' to
> root, then 'shutdown -h now' ... it didn't even occur to me
> that a user could not shut down .. I've been using Windows too
> long.
>
> Another person pointed out that I am 'in over my head with the
> "user frinedly" Linux, the comment seemed to imply 'hopelessly
> over my head'. 

Probably the idiot troll that has been hanging around.

> Well I am in over my head, intentionally,
> that's just how I learn, give me a couple days at it. ;-)
>
> Thanks again, John
>
> PS-I'm really excited about learning Linux
>
>

Welcome to Linux, John. 

Don't get too caught up in that sissy GUI stuff.

:-)

wget http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2

I run Linux from the console window-manager screen, and rarely
bring X up or touch a plastic rodent. Even most of my 'web
surfing' is done with a light and fast text-mode browser, because
almost everything I want from the web is text and most of the
graphics are useless eye-candy.

I also use the non-interactive webtool, wget, which is even better.

Get "Learning the bash Shell" 2nd+ edition from OREILLY.

And the Advanced Bash Shellscripting Guide:

wget http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/abs-guide-2.7.tar.bz2

One day, sooner than you think, you will have the great pleasure of
deleting windoze from your computer (man shred) and sending the
CDs back to Redmond.

AC

Conor voiced his/her/it's humble opinion in comp.os.linux.advocacy on
Wed 22 Dec 2004 03:45:34a: 

> In article Labrat says...
>> Conor voiced his/her/it's humble opinion in comp.os.linux.advocacy on
>> Tue 21 Dec 2004 07:52:46p: 
>> 
>> > In article rapskat says...
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> "Gracefully"?  Is that why so many people want to know howto
>> >> disable this "feature" when an accidental tap causes the system to
>> >> power down right in the middle of a session?
>> >> 
>> > <snigger>
>> > 
>> > Another linux looser demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge
>> > about ACPI.
>> > 
>> > That is "gracefully" as in exactly the equivalent of what happens
>> > when you click Start, Shutdown.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
>> Funny, I hit my equivalent Start button in KDE, > logoff user, and
>> have  the convienience of;
>> 
>> Restart Session
>> Restart Computer
>> Shutdown Computer
>> 
>> No MSDOS mode of course.  That would make it too easy to get around
>> in Linux .... sigh
>> 
>> What's really weird tho is that my ACPI works all the way up to my 
>> motherboard's abilities and I never set a single switch.  Go figure
>> eh? 
>> 
>> Must be a fluke of course eh?
>> 
> Press the power switch on your PC...what happens? NOTHING.
>  
> 

Exactly!  I have to hold the power button in for four seconds to force a 
reboot or shut down.

This prevents kids, kittens or nimrods like you from messing me up 'cause 
you can't stop playing with shiny chrome buttons.

BRS is on the back where it belongs.



Later......

     Labrat......  |:^{)


A recent convert to the flightless bird.

John <dont@send.me.spam.com> wrote:
> After the first couple replies, I figured it out ..  'su' to root, then 
> 'shutdown -h now' ... it didn't even occur to me that a user could not shut 
> down .. I've been using Windows too long.

I use this in .bash_profile:

        if [ `tty` = "/dev/tty1" ]; then
                startx
	        sudo halt
        fi

To turn off the power, just logout.  /etc/sudoers contains this line:

        jvahn ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/halt

"halt" performs a "poweroff". Yes, it can be.. umm.. interesting.
Remember "boot: linux single" if you get balled up.

The laptop is set to logout with 5 mins left, a nice clean shutdown.

-- 

Conor wrote:

> In article B Gruff says...
> 
>> 
>> Good heavens - is that the way that they are teaching it in your
>> school, Conor?  The power switch always used to be the last resort,
>> although its use was quite frequent in the days of Windows, which
>> used to freeze quite frequently, of course.
> 
> OH MY GOD. Have you never heard of ACPI in Linux? It allows you to
> do nifty things like set the OS up so that when you press the power
> button on the PC it can put it in standby, hibernation or shut it
> down in the same way as you'd shut it down from the start button.

Ah dear - I mustn't be as bright as you are, 'cos I don't understand
some of this:(
When you say "Start Button", do you mean the thing that you click in
Windows when you want to Stop?  The "Start-to-stop" button, in fact?

There is a similar thing in Linux, but it works a bit differently.  It
can be (and it's sometimes a good idea) configured so that only
certain people can switch off.  I'm not too clued-in with these
things, but I reckon it has something to do with Linux being a true
multi-user OS.  It could be Wrong for somebody to turn off, because
there could be other people using it.
Once you start to use the Power Switch, one can't program it in Linux
so that only authorised people can press it.  I guess Windows has
found a way round that?
 
> But seeing as its broke in Linux, I guess you've not experienced
> this wonderful ability.

Well, I didn't figure that it was broken (see above), and all of which
might have some bearing on how "wonderful" the facility is, might it
not?

Bill

Linda Wang wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:32:00 -0500, John wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>New to Linux .. just installed Mandrake 10.0.
>>
>>I read the manual and it says to logout and I will get the following dlg 
>>with options :
>>http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Starter.html/ch05s06.html#kde-logout-yn
>>But, this dlg never appears .. instead I get a 'End Session for "UserID"' 
>>with the options Logout and Cancel.  Logout, takes me back to the login 
>>screen.  So I can't shutdown there.
>>
>>I tried the shutdown command from the shell and got a Command not Found 
>>message.
>>
>>From the Run Command dlg, I enter "shutdown" and press enter and get "Could 
>>not run the specified command".
>>
>>Is this me doing something wrong?  Or is there something wrong with my 
>>setup?
>>
>>TIA,
>>John
> 
> 
> That's pretty funny!
> The only thing wrong with your setup is that you are way over your head
> with the so called "user frinedly" Linux.
> 
> FWIW, just hit the BRS and let the wonderful Linux filesystems recover
> your data, when and if they come up on the next boot.
> HTH

This guy doesn't even know what the root user is. And this is
crossposted to COLA, so I think he should RTFM.


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