Scribus vs. Adobe InDesign

Greetings.

I'm responsible for typesetting a newspaper, for which I have been using
Adobe InDesign 1.5 on MS-Windows.  I normally work on a SuSE 9.0 system, so
at this point working on the newspaper is the *only* reason I ever reboot
to Windows.

I recently discovered Scribus, a GPL'd desktop publishing package for GNU
Linux <http://web2.altmuehlnet.de/fschmid/>.  Has anyone had any experience
using this for production purposes?  How does it compare to InDesign?

Visit http://www.nothingisreal.com/tmp/ to get an idea of the design
complexity of the newspaper I work on.  If Scribus can make similar-looking
documents without too much more hassle than InDesign 1.5, then I'm willing
to devote the time to learning it.  Comments?

Regards,
Tristan

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> I recently discovered Scribus, a GPL'd desktop publishing package for GNU
> Linux <http://web2.altmuehlnet.de/fschmid/>.  Has anyone had any experience
> using this for production purposes?  How does it compare to InDesign?

I have Scribus installed on my system and plan on using it in the near
future on a large project.  From the *little* I've used it so far and from
reading what others have said about the software it seems very worthy.

You might want to pose your question on the Scribus mailing list.
Development is ongoing.  The mailing list is fairly active.  The address
for subscribing is <Scribus-request@nashi.altmuehlnet.de>.

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mlake1 (61)
12/29/2003 12:16:42 AM
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:07:11 +0100, Tristan Miller wrote:

 > I'm responsible for typesetting a newspaper, for which I have been using
 > Adobe InDesign 1.5 on MS-Windows.  I normally work on a SuSE 9.0 system, so
 > at this point working on the newspaper is the *only* reason I ever reboot
 > to Windows.
 > 
 > I recently discovered Scribus, a GPL'd desktop publishing package for GNU
 > Linux <http://web2.altmuehlnet.de/fschmid/>.  Has anyone had any experience
 > using this for production purposes?  How does it compare to InDesign?

I don't have any experience with Scribus but I know that it's only
recently reached version 1.x. I would guess that what it does, it
does well enough, but don't expect it to be comparable to an Adobe
application in terms of flexibility yet.

To avoid re-boots, think about using Wine or Win4Lin to run InDesign on
Linux until Scribus gets up to speed.

Bob T.
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BobT (1484)
12/29/2003 3:26:06 AM
Greetings.

In article <slrnbuv7me.bnf.BobT@linus.cs.queensu.ca>, Bob Tennent wrote:
> I don't have any experience with Scribus but I know that it's only
> recently reached version 1.x. I would guess that what it does, it
> does well enough, but don't expect it to be comparable to an Adobe
> application in terms of flexibility yet.

Well, I don't need too much flexibility; the newspaper is of a fairly simple
design.

> To avoid re-boots, think about using Wine or Win4Lin to run InDesign on
> Linux until Scribus gets up to speed.

Yes, that had occurred to me, but unfortunately the Windows partition is
formatted with NTFS, making it impossible to use WINE on the native
partition.  (There is a recently released NTFS driver for Linux, Captive,
but it's still very much alpha code and has corrupted parts of my Windows
filesystem on more than one occasion.)  VMWare also didn't work with my
native XP installation, which is also officially listed as "unsupported".
:(

Regards,
Tristan

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psychonaut (536)
12/29/2003 12:33:28 PM
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:33:28 +0100, Tristan Miller wrote:

 >> To avoid re-boots, think about using Wine or Win4Lin to run InDesign on
 >> Linux until Scribus gets up to speed.
 > 
 > Yes, that had occurred to me, but unfortunately the Windows partition is
 > formatted with NTFS, making it impossible to use WINE on the native
 > partition.  (There is a recently released NTFS driver for Linux, Captive,
 > but it's still very much alpha code and has corrupted parts of my Windows
 > filesystem on more than one occasion.)  VMWare also didn't work with my
 > native XP installation, which is also officially listed as "unsupported".
 >:(

Why do you care about your existing XP installation if you only intend
to run InDesign? If InDesign runs on Win98, install Win4Lin and Win98 on
Linux and run InDesign there. You can surely copy data files from the
NTFS partition to the Linux partition without any risk of corruption.

Bob T.
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BobT (1484)
12/29/2003 2:35:42 PM
Greetings.

In article <slrnbv0etu.ftb.BobT@linus.cs.queensu.ca>, Bob Tennent wrote:
> Why do you care about your existing XP installation if you only intend
> to run InDesign? If InDesign runs on Win98, install Win4Lin and Win98 on
> Linux and run InDesign there.

I'm trying to figure out a way to do DTP that does *not* involve using
Windows, not one that involves me purchasing yet another version of it.

> You can surely copy data files from the
> NTFS partition to the Linux partition without any risk of corruption.

Not really; I'm working on a laptop with limited space.  If I could find a
(free) way to resize the NTFS partition to give more room to my Linux
installation, I would do so.  However, the only tool I'm aware of which
resizes NTFS is Partition Magic.

Regards,
Tristan

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psychonaut (536)
12/29/2003 2:54:44 PM
In article <8266791.XKs0NubXmz@ID-187157.news.dfncis.de>,
Tristan Miller  <psychonaut@nothingisreal.com> wrote:
-Greetings.
-
-In article <slrnbv0etu.ftb.BobT@linus.cs.queensu.ca>, Bob Tennent wrote:
-> Why do you care about your existing XP installation if you only intend
-> to run InDesign? If InDesign runs on Win98, install Win4Lin and Win98 on
-> Linux and run InDesign there.
-
-I'm trying to figure out a way to do DTP that does *not* involve using
-Windows, not one that involves me purchasing yet another version of it.
-
-> You can surely copy data files from the
-> NTFS partition to the Linux partition without any risk of corruption.
-
-Not really; I'm working on a laptop with limited space.  If I could find a
-(free) way to resize the NTFS partition to give more room to my Linux
-installation, I would do so.  However, the only tool I'm aware of which
-resizes NTFS is Partition Magic.

Well that's one place here that I can actually help. There is a tool called
ntfsresize and it'll do exactly what you need.

Here's the FAQ for it:

http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html

BAJ
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byron (216)
12/29/2003 5:11:20 PM
Greetings.

In article <bspn7o$i8q@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>, Byron A Jeff wrote:
> Well that's one place here that I can actually help. There is a tool
> called ntfsresize and it'll do exactly what you need.

Ah, many thanks.  I had previously searched for something like this, but
didn't come up with the program you recommend.  I'll certainly try it out!

Regards,
Tristan

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psychonaut (536)
12/29/2003 6:12:41 PM
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:07:11 +0100,
 Tristan Miller <psychonaut@nothingisreal.com> wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> I'm responsible for typesetting a newspaper, for which I have been using
> Adobe InDesign 1.5 on MS-Windows.  I normally work on a SuSE 9.0 system, so
> at this point working on the newspaper is the *only* reason I ever reboot
> to Windows.
>
> I recently discovered Scribus, a GPL'd desktop publishing package for GNU
> Linux <http://web2.altmuehlnet.de/fschmid/>.  Has anyone had any experience
> using this for production purposes?  How does it compare to InDesign?
>
> Visit http://www.nothingisreal.com/tmp/ to get an idea of the design
> complexity of the newspaper I work on.  If Scribus can make similar-looking
> documents without too much more hassle than InDesign 1.5, then I'm willing
> to devote the time to learning it.  Comments?
>
> Regards,
> Tristan
>


Looks like a simple enough newsletter. Personally, I'd us LaTeX for it,
but then, I am lazy :) 

If your laziness isn't of that nature, then Scribus can replicate the
newsletter example you gave. If it is representative of your needs, then
Scribus can handle it. Along with the export to pdf. 

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warlock (9522)
12/30/2003 9:06:10 AM
Greetings.

In article <2pr7c1-noe.ln1@grendel.myth>, Jim Richardson wrote:
>> Visit http://www.nothingisreal.com/tmp/ to get an idea of the design
>> complexity of the newspaper I work on.  If Scribus can make
>> similar-looking documents without too much more hassle than InDesign 1.5,
>> then I'm willing to devote the time to learning it.  Comments?
> 
> Looks like a simple enough newsletter. Personally, I'd us LaTeX for it,
> but then, I am lazy :)

If you can find out a way to do this in LaTeX, by all means let me know. 
AFAIK LaTeX has no support for splitting articles across non-contiguous
pages.  Various other things are also problematic (i.e., doable but
inconveniently so), such as flowing text around nonrectangular figures.  In
fact, a few days ago when I brought up the idea of laying out the
newsletter with LaTeX in comp.text.tex, I was told by the local wizards to
forget about it and use a GUI-based DTP package instead.

> If your laziness isn't of that nature, then Scribus can replicate the
> newsletter example you gave. If it is representative of your needs, then
> Scribus can handle it. Along with the export to pdf.

That's good to hear.  I'm getting articles for the next issue in a few
weeks, so in the meantime I'll install Scribus and see if I can reconstruct
the layout from previous issues.

Regards,
Tristan

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12/30/2003 5:59:45 PM
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