No matter what I try with my cupsd.cond I cannot get IPP working .

I get access dened messages . Even if I try and add a printer on the same
machine I get URI does not exist wether I use ipp or http.

can anyone please post a working cupsd.conf 

printing should not be this difficult and sometimes you cant half see why
some of this stuff is free.

kalimojo@btinternet.com wrote:

> No matter what I try with my cupsd.cond I cannot get IPP working .
> 
> I get access dened messages . Even if I try and add a printer on the same
> machine I get URI does not exist wether I use ipp or http.
> 
> can anyone please post a working cupsd.conf
> 
> printing should not be this difficult and sometimes you cant half see why
> some of this stuff is free.

i should mention that lpd works fine both locally and remotely from a
windows computer (Device URI: lpd://rita:515/epson) .

also nmap localhost shows 631 ipp

at my wits end here.

In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
> No matter what I try with my cupsd.cond I cannot get IPP working .

> I get access dened messages . Even if I try and add a printer on the same
> machine I get URI does not exist wether I use ipp or http.

> can anyone please post a working cupsd.conf 

Check the "Access permissions" in "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf" or so
(try your distro docu) this is usually the thing preventing
access, my cupsd.conf is full of examples you can adopt to make
your cupsd working.

> printing should not be this difficult and sometimes you cant half see why
> some of this stuff is free.

Err, being secure per default, not allowing access to anything,
is for good reasons one of the basic concepts for most Linux
distro, you just need to get used to it.

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Michael Heiming wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>> No matter what I try with my cupsd.cond I cannot get IPP working .
> 
>> I get access dened messages . Even if I try and add a printer on the same
>> machine I get URI does not exist wether I use ipp or http.
> 
>> can anyone please post a working cupsd.conf
> 
> Check the "Access permissions" in "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf" or so
> (try your distro docu) this is usually the thing preventing
> access, my cupsd.conf is full of examples you can adopt to make
> your cupsd working.
> 
>> printing should not be this difficult and sometimes you cant half see why
>> some of this stuff is free.
> 
> Err, being secure per default, not allowing access to anything,
> is for good reasons one of the basic concepts for most Linux
> distro, you just need to get used to it.
> 
ipp doesn't work from the localhost either but lpd works quite happily from
local and remote.
if it's so easy to use why are so many people finding it so difficult ?
It is not easy to use software and is a good way behind microsoft in terms
of useability and user-friendliness (you shouldnt have to be a hacker just
to get printing to work fgs).
sorry you had to hear that but its the truth.

kalimojo@btinternet.com wrote:

i should also add the printer is on /dev/lp0

life is too short for this stuff.

In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
> Michael Heiming wrote:

>> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>>> No matter what I try with my cupsd.cond I cannot get IPP working .
[..]

> It is not easy to use software and is a good way behind microsoft in terms
> of useability and user-friendliness (you shouldnt have to be a hacker just
> to get printing to work fgs).
> sorry you had to hear that but its the truth.

LOL 

The truth or better your "truth", you are demanding Linux to
work/behave as your broken M$ "OS" now that it doesn't you start
moaning. 

Sure there are some thing different if you get from a Yugo to
handling a Porsche. So stay with your Yugo if you can live with
the shortcomings. 

None did demand from you to run Linux. If you want to run it, get
used to it, or/and try a distro allowing for more click&droll.
Many of us like the simple way it works requiring nothing more
then a shell + all those superior GNU and other tools.;)

BTW
Smells like an astroturf!

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Michael Heiming wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>> Michael Heiming wrote:
> 
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>>>> No matter what I try with my cupsd.cond I cannot get IPP working .
> [..]
> 
>> It is not easy to use software and is a good way behind microsoft in
>> terms of useability and user-friendliness (you shouldnt have to be a
>> hacker just to get printing to work fgs).
>> sorry you had to hear that but its the truth.
> 
> LOL
> 
> The truth or better your "truth", you are demanding Linux to
> work/behave as your broken M$ "OS" now that it doesn't you start
> moaning.
> 
I do not have any vested interest in any software product wether it be
linux, windows or corel paint. I use them all.
I am just pointing out the facts here. IPP under CUPS appears to be a flawed
(broken ?)  implementation.
Printing under windows is buggy but easier to setup.
I said it was behind M$ in terms of user-friendliness and it is.
Please dont start a boring flame war by trying to deny the obvious.

In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
> Michael Heiming wrote:

>> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>>> Michael Heiming wrote:
>> 
>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>>>>> No matter what I try with my cupsd.cond I cannot get IPP working .
[..]

> Printing under windows is buggy but easier to setup.

For you!

> I said it was behind M$ in terms of user-friendliness and it is.

For you!

> Please dont start a boring flame war by trying to deny the obvious.

There's nothing obvious, care to show me how to setup hundreds of
networked printer in a loop from the shell in a second with M$?

You, can't? Cups can, so M$ is far behind Linux in terms of
user-friendliness.

But you don't seem to have real interest in solving your problem,
but in some flame war.

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kalimojo@btinternet.com wrote:

> No matter what I try with my cupsd.cond I cannot get IPP working .
> 
> I get access dened messages . Even if I try and add a printer on the same
> machine I get URI does not exist wether I use ipp or http.
> 
> can anyone please post a working cupsd.conf
> 
> printing should not be this difficult and sometimes you cant half see why
> some of this stuff is free.

I cracked it, my mistake was setting up printers using the web interface on 
localhost:631 i should have used system-config-printer instead.

I was also using the wrong syntax for the print queue as I could not find it
in hte documentation . I was using http://rita:631/ipp as the CUPS
documentation and the web config tool suggested I do.

It was only when I set up a queue using system-config-printer  that i
realised the correct syntax should have been 

http://rita:631/printers/epson where epson is the local queue name.

I think the documentation is poor and often misleading and the availbillity
of conflicting tools (some of which dont work) is a bit of a mess here.

Lets hope it gets sorted out soon or the ordinary user will be scared away
at their first attempt as I was 6 years ago.

Michael Heiming wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>> Michael Heiming wrote:
> 
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>>>> Michael Heiming wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com
>>>>> <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>>>>>> No matter what I try with my cupsd.cond I cannot get IPP working .
> [..]
> 
>> Printing under windows is buggy but easier to setup.
> 
> For you!
>
 
>> I said it was behind M$ in terms of user-friendliness and it is.
> 
> For you!
> 
>> Please dont start a boring flame war by trying to deny the obvious.
> 
> There's nothing obvious, care to show me how to setup hundreds of
> networked printer in a loop from the shell in a second with M$?
> 
> You, can't? Cups can, so M$ is far behind Linux in terms of
> user-friendliness.
>

 
> But you don't seem to have real interest in solving your problem,
> but in some flame war.
> 
im not interested in a flame war. Ive got it working and it was a pig to
setup. I have installed and configured hundreds of pieces of software and
that was about the worst I have ever seen in terms of user friendliness but
that is just my opinion.

Michael Heiming wrote:

> You, can't? Cups can, so M$ is far behind Linux in terms of
> user-friendliness.

I agree with the OP.
While CUPS itself is very good, in my experience,
the CUPS documentation is appallingly, unbelievably, bad,
and the various printing wizards are pretty useless, too.

I don't see how anyone could possibly say
that CUPS is "user-friendly".

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In comp.os.linux.misc Timothy Murphy <tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie>:
> Michael Heiming wrote:

>> You, can't? Cups can, so M$ is far behind Linux in terms of
>> user-friendliness.

> I agree with the OP.
> While CUPS itself is very good, in my experience,
> the CUPS documentation is appallingly, unbelievably, bad,
> and the various printing wizards are pretty useless, too.

Then don't use them.

> I don't see how anyone could possibly say
> that CUPS is "user-friendly".

Looking at the example I provided:
"Care to show me how to setup hundreds of networked printer in a
loop from the shell in a second with M$?"

I'd call this pretty user-friendly if you can use 'lpadmin' from
the shell in a loop instead of going through some click-wizard
hundreds of times. So perhaps 3-10 minutes to setup the small
script against half a day clicking until your fingers hurt and
this isn't user-friendly? Sorry but it sound as if you are
joking?

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Michael Heiming wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc Timothy Murphy <tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie>:
>> Michael Heiming wrote:
> 
>>> You, can't? Cups can, so M$ is far behind Linux in terms of
>>> user-friendliness.
> 
>> I agree with the OP.
>> While CUPS itself is very good, in my experience,
>> the CUPS documentation is appallingly, unbelievably, bad,
>> and the various printing wizards are pretty useless, too.
> 
> Then don't use them.
> 
>> I don't see how anyone could possibly say
>> that CUPS is "user-friendly".
> 
> Looking at the example I provided:
> "Care to show me how to setup hundreds of networked printer in a
> loop from the shell in a second with M$?"
> 
> I'd call this pretty user-friendly if you can use 'lpadmin' from
> the shell in a loop instead of going through some click-wizard
> hundreds of times. So perhaps 3-10 minutes to setup the small
> script against half a day clicking until your fingers hurt and
> this isn't user-friendly? Sorry but it sound as if you are
> joking?
> 
Timothy i beg you not to reply. This guy just hangs around here all day
looking for flame wars. Criticise LInux in any way - especially
constructive - and he jumps down your throat.

CUPS maybe admin friendly but it IS NOT user-friendly.

In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
> Michael Heiming wrote:
[..]
>> I'd call this pretty user-friendly if you can use 'lpadmin' from
>> the shell in a loop instead of going through some click-wizard
>> hundreds of times. So perhaps 3-10 minutes to setup the small
>> script against half a day clicking until your fingers hurt and
>> this isn't user-friendly? Sorry but it sound as if you are
>> joking?
>> 
> Timothy i beg you not to reply. This guy just hangs around here all day
> looking for flame wars. Criticise LInux in any way - especially
> constructive - and he jumps down your throat.

Ah see, how long do you read here to be able to judge about that? 

> CUPS maybe admin friendly but it IS NOT user-friendly.

So an admin isn't an user? Pardon, but I can't follow your
strange logic.

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Michael Heiming wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>> Michael Heiming wrote:
> [..]
>>> I'd call this pretty user-friendly if you can use 'lpadmin' from
>>> the shell in a loop instead of going through some click-wizard
>>> hundreds of times. So perhaps 3-10 minutes to setup the small
>>> script against half a day clicking until your fingers hurt and
>>> this isn't user-friendly? Sorry but it sound as if you are
>>> joking?
>>> 
>> Timothy i beg you not to reply. This guy just hangs around here all day
>> looking for flame wars. Criticise LInux in any way - especially
>> constructive - and he jumps down your throat.
> 
> Ah see, how long do you read here to be able to judge about that?
> 
>> CUPS maybe admin friendly but it IS NOT user-friendly.
> 
> So an admin isn't an user? Pardon, but I can't follow your
> strange logic.
> 
An admin IS a user but most users arent admins. 

That is logical.

CUPS requires admin level skills to configure it appears and most users
trying to set it up at home would have something approaching zero of a
chance of setting it up.

An example.

Use the web admin tool and choose to set up an IPP/HTTP printer 

and you are told to use the following syntax 

file:/path/to/filename.prn
    http://hostname:631/ipp/
    http://hostname:631/ipp/port1
    ipp://hostname/ipp/
    ipp://hostname/ipp/port1
    lpd://hostname/queue
    socket://hostname
    socket://hostname:9100

use the system-config-printer tool and you get the syntax 

server /printer/queue offered to you which turns out to be the correct
syntax

eg http://hostname:631/printer/queue 

a fundamental contradiction.

In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
> Michael Heiming wrote:

>> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
[..]

>> So an admin isn't an user? Pardon, but I can't follow your
>> strange logic.
>> 
> An admin IS a user but most users arent admins. 

Yeah, I can follow this.

It boils down to:
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are.

;)

[..]

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kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com> wrote:
....
> I cracked it, my mistake was setting up printers using the web interface on 
> localhost:631 i should have used system-config-printer instead. ...

Congrats.  Now, maybe someone can help me.  I'm trying to send
print jobs to an HP with a Jetdirect network interface.  After
lots of fiddling, trying the web interface, lpadmin, and editing
conf files directly, I came up with the following printers.conf
file.  It works if I use
     lpr -PLabprinter@moore262-prt.hawaii.edu <ps-filename>
but without giving the network address explicitly, cups looks
for the printer at localhost.  How can I tell it to use the
right network address?  I tried various things for DeviceURI.

# Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.1.20
# Written by cupsd on Wed Jan 19 10:04:52 2005
<Printer Labprinter>
Info HP LaserJet
Location Lab
DeviceURI socket://moore262-prt.hawaii.edu
State Idle
Accepting Yes
JobSheets none none
QuotaPeriod 0
PageLimit 0
KLimit 0
</Printer>

-- 
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Greg Lee wrote:
> Now, maybe someone can help me.  I'm trying to send
> print jobs to an HP with a Jetdirect network interface.  After
> lots of fiddling, trying the web interface, lpadmin, and editing
> conf files directly, I came up with the following printers.conf
> file.  It works if I use
>      lpr -PLabprinter@moore262-prt.hawaii.edu <ps-filename>
> but without giving the network address explicitly, cups looks
> for the printer at localhost.  How can I tell it to use the
> right network address?  I tried various things for DeviceURI.
> 
> # Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.1.20
> # Written by cupsd on Wed Jan 19 10:04:52 2005
> <Printer Labprinter>
> Info HP LaserJet
> Location Lab
> DeviceURI socket://moore262-prt.hawaii.edu

For the JetDirect interface on my HP printer the correct URI is:

DeviceURI lpd://lj5500/AUTO

You'll need to change the protocol from socket: to lpd: in yours for 
sure.  I'm fairly sure you'll need to specify a queue on the printer, 
too, for which "AUTO" works quite well.  (YMMV, though.  I don't know 
how different JetDirect interfaces are from one HP model to the next.)

Of course, the name given has to be a valid DNS name for the printer, 
but it looks like you've already got that part sorted out.

You may also want to make the first line read:

<DefaultPrinter Labprinter>

if you want to be able to use the printer without having to specify a name.

John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@binaryfoundry.ca> wrote:
> Greg Lee wrote:
> > Now, maybe someone can help me.  I'm trying to send
> > print jobs to an HP with a Jetdirect network interface.  After
> > lots of fiddling, trying the web interface, lpadmin, and editing
> > conf files directly, I came up with the following printers.conf
> > file.  It works if I use
> >      lpr -PLabprinter@moore262-prt.hawaii.edu <ps-filename>
> > but without giving the network address explicitly, cups looks
> > for the printer at localhost.  How can I tell it to use the
> > right network address?  I tried various things for DeviceURI.
> > 
> > # Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.1.20
> > # Written by cupsd on Wed Jan 19 10:04:52 2005
> > <Printer Labprinter>
> > Info HP LaserJet
> > Location Lab
> > DeviceURI socket://moore262-prt.hawaii.edu

> For the JetDirect interface on my HP printer the correct URI is:

> DeviceURI lpd://lj5500/AUTO

But my printer has an tcp/ip internet address -- the one I gave.  Where do
I say what the internet address is?  Is the "lj5500" in your example
a network address?  (When I tried "lpd://", cups didn't seem to
be using a tcp/ip address to find the printer.)

> You'll need to change the protocol from socket: to lpd: in yours for 
> sure.  I'm fairly sure you'll need to specify a queue on the printer, 
> too, for which "AUTO" works quite well.  (YMMV, though.  I don't know 
> how different JetDirect interfaces are from one HP model to the next.)

I'll try AUTO.

> Of course, the name given has to be a valid DNS name for the printer, 
> but it looks like you've already got that part sorted out.

> You may also want to make the first line read:

> <DefaultPrinter Labprinter>

> if you want to be able to use the printer without having to specify a name.

Thanks for the suggestions.
-- 
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Greg Lee wrote:
> John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@binaryfoundry.ca> wrote:
> 
>>Greg Lee wrote:
>>
>>>Now, maybe someone can help me.  I'm trying to send
>>>print jobs to an HP with a Jetdirect network interface.  After
>>>lots of fiddling, trying the web interface, lpadmin, and editing
>>>conf files directly, I came up with the following printers.conf
>>>file.  It works if I use
>>>     lpr -PLabprinter@moore262-prt.hawaii.edu <ps-filename>
>>>but without giving the network address explicitly, cups looks
>>>for the printer at localhost.  How can I tell it to use the
>>>right network address?  I tried various things for DeviceURI.
>>>
>>># Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.1.20
>>># Written by cupsd on Wed Jan 19 10:04:52 2005
>>><Printer Labprinter>
>>>Info HP LaserJet
>>>Location Lab
>>>DeviceURI socket://moore262-prt.hawaii.edu
> 
> 
>>For the JetDirect interface on my HP printer the correct URI is:
> 
> 
>>DeviceURI lpd://lj5500/AUTO
> 
> 
> But my printer has an tcp/ip internet address -- the one I gave.  Where do
> I say what the internet address is?  Is the "lj5500" in your example
> a network address?  (When I tried "lpd://", cups didn't seem to
> be using a tcp/ip address to find the printer.)

My printer is at 192.168.10.15 and my /etc/hosts file has an entry:

192.168.10.15   lj5500

This could also be done through DNS in a larger organization.  The name 
you gave in your previous post (moore262-prt.hawaii.edu) I assumed to be 
the DNS name of the printer.  Is it?  Does the command:

host moore262-prt.hawaii.edu

return the IP address of the printer?  If not, then you need to specify 
the proper name of the printer or it's IP address.  (This is what I 
meant when I said later in my post that you have to specify a valid DNS 
name for the printer.)  If you don't know the name or haven't assigned 
one for that IP address, then just use

DeviceURI lpd://a.b.c.d/AUTO

where a.b.c.d is the IP address you gave to the printer.

Michael Heiming <michael+USENET@www.heiming.de> writes:

> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
> > Michael Heiming wrote:
> [..]
> >> I'd call this pretty user-friendly if you can use 'lpadmin' from
> >> the shell in a loop instead of going through some click-wizard
> >> hundreds of times. So perhaps 3-10 minutes to setup the small
> >> script against half a day clicking until your fingers hurt and
> >> this isn't user-friendly? Sorry but it sound as if you are
> >> joking?

You can create a VB script to do the same in Windows.

> > Timothy i beg you not to reply. This guy just hangs around here all day
> > looking for flame wars. Criticise LInux in any way - especially
> > constructive - and he jumps down your throat.

I agree with this.  All advocates need to visit comp.os.linux.misc and
see the full thread.  You will witness how Michael Heiming attacks a
new linux user because he has problems setting up CUPS (linux printing).

> Ah see, how long do you read here to be able to judge about that? 
> 
> > CUPS maybe admin friendly but it IS NOT user-friendly.
> 
> So an admin isn't an user? Pardon, but I can't follow your
> strange logic.
> 


See Michael, this is where Linux gets its reputation for being hard
for new users.  Your response to the beginner is exactly why Linux
advocates have their reputations of being elitist and mean!  Any
problem a user has, and the advocate will jump down their throats!  

Whenever a lurker sees this, they think, I better go back to Windows
rather than being subjected to this kind of treatment whenever I need
help with a linux problem.

I suspect it is a tactic to hide all criticizms of Linux so its
adoption rate will increase. But it back fires when the users can't
get it to run.

John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@binaryfoundry.ca> wrote:
> Greg Lee wrote:
....
> >>>Now, maybe someone can help me.  I'm trying to send
....
> This could also be done through DNS in a larger organization.  The name 
> you gave in your previous post (moore262-prt.hawaii.edu) I assumed to be 
> the DNS name of the printer.  Is it?  Does the command:

> host moore262-prt.hawaii.edu

> return the IP address of the printer?  If not, then you need to specify 

Yes.  I figured it out.  Volkerding made a mistake in the Slackware 10
distribution.  The init scripts start the cupsd daemon, but the lp...
standard printer commands are the versions for a different printing
subsystem.  Once I pointed lpr and family to the cups versions of the
programs it started working.

Thanks for the help.  Sorry I can't contribute to this discussion
of the virtue or vice of Cups or Linux.
-- 
Greg Lee <greg@ling.lll.hawaii.edu>

kalimojo@btinternet.com wrote:
> Michael Heiming wrote:
>>For you!
> 
>>But you don't seem to have real interest in solving your problem,
>>but in some flame war.
>>
> 
> im not interested in a flame war. Ive got it working and it was a pig to
> setup. I have installed and configured hundreds of pieces of software and
> that was about the worst I have ever seen in terms of user friendliness but
> that is just my opinion.
> 

To quote you in another thread "I am just pointing out the facts here. 
IPP under CUPS appears to be a flawed (broken ?)  implementation."

So may we now conclude that you were mistaken and Michael was correct. 
He said it worked, you said it didn't. Now that it *does* work can we 
expect to see an apology?

I didn't see Michael defend the documentation. In fact you are not alone 
in thinking that CUPS docs leave something to be desired:

	www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html


Mark Atherton

Mark Atherton wrote:

> kalimojo@btinternet.com wrote:
>> Michael Heiming wrote:
>>>For you!
>> 
>>>But you don't seem to have real interest in solving your problem,
>>>but in some flame war.
>>>
>> 
>> im not interested in a flame war. Ive got it working and it was a pig to
>> setup. I have installed and configured hundreds of pieces of software and
>> that was about the worst I have ever seen in terms of user friendliness
>> but that is just my opinion.
>> 
> 
> To quote you in another thread "I am just pointing out the facts here.
> IPP under CUPS appears to be a flawed (broken ?)  implementation."
> 
> So may we now conclude that you were mistaken and Michael was correct.
> He said it worked, you said it didn't. Now that it *does* work can we
> expect to see an apology?
> 
> I didn't see Michael defend the documentation. In fact you are not alone
> in thinking that CUPS docs leave something to be desired:
> 
> www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html
> 
The docs and UI are at least 50 % of the implementation. So I will just say
flawed and not broken. If you receive your new Wind Turbine with misleading
instructions on how to set it up youd be rightly annoyed.
BUt its free and getting better so I shouldnt complain too much,
Yesterday was just so frustrating and the documentation was leading me
around in circles. I cracked it by looking at the Red Hat docs which are
spiffing
 http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/index.html

and ignoring the CUPS docs which are not.

kalimojo@btinternet.com wrote:

> The docs and UI are at least 50 % of the implementation.

I don't totally agree but you have a point. Documentation is often the 
weakest part of open source software. Though it's often the weakest part 
of commercial software too!

I don't know if you followed the link. It was to Eric Raymond complaints 
about the CUPS user interface an documentation. So you have a point there!

Speaking of documentation I noticed today that the tar manpage has been 
rewritten and is much more friendly. Well done John Gilmore and Jay 
Fenlason!

Mark Atherton

Michael Heiming wrote:

>> While CUPS itself is very good, in my experience,
>> the CUPS documentation is appallingly, unbelievably, bad,
>> and the various printing wizards are pretty useless, too.
> 
> Then don't use them.

Presumably one has to either read the documentation,
or use one of the wizards.
If both are bad - as they are - one is stuck.
 
>> I don't see how anyone could possibly say
>> that CUPS is "user-friendly".
> 
> Looking at the example I provided:
> "Care to show me how to setup hundreds of networked printer in a
> loop from the shell in a second with M$?"

This is a ludicrous example.
How many Linux users want "to setup hundreds of networked printers"?
If I had hundreds of networked printers
I would pay someone to run my system.

I imagine that 99% of Linux users have one printer, or possibly two.
There is nothing in the CUPS documentation that tells you how to set up
such a simple system, as far as I can see.
Maybe it _is_ written for people like you with hundreds of printers.

People have been complaining about CUPS documentation for years,
but as far as I can see it hasn't changed by one iota,
although several new versions of CUPS have come out in that time.


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In <70t3e2-h1j.ln1@hudson.theathertons> Mark Atherton:

[Snip...]

> Speaking of documentation I noticed today that the tar manpage has been 
> rewritten and is much more friendly. Well done John Gilmore and Jay 
> Fenlason!

Indeed, good news--now if someone would kindly cleanup "man find".   :)

Who, me?    :)

(Seriously--it's not the find manpage as find's syntax confusing, to me)

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In comp.os.linux.misc Timothy Murphy <tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie>:
[..]

> This is a ludicrous example.

It proves my point that it's user-friendly.;)

> How many Linux users want "to setup hundreds of networked printers"?
> If I had hundreds of networked printers
> I would pay someone to run my system.

> I imagine that 99% of Linux users have one printer, or possibly two.

Lets not forget about the 1.48 million new unix + linux server
sold in 2004, it's not unlikely one or another has 1+n printers
attached + users. 

> There is nothing in the CUPS documentation that tells you how to set up
> such a simple system, as far as I can see.
> Maybe it _is_ written for people like you with hundreds of printers.

Dunno, never looked seriously at the cups docu, can't comment on
it, often look which files come with the package and simply use
vi(m) to edit things to my needs. No rocket science involved
reading the comments in the default config files and adjusting
things.;) 

[..]

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Michael Heiming wrote:


>> There is nothing in the CUPS documentation that tells you how to set up
>> such a simple system, as far as I can see.
>> Maybe it _is_ written for people like you with hundreds of printers.
> 
> Dunno, never looked seriously at the cups docu, can't comment on
> it, often look which files come with the package and simply use
> vi(m) to edit things to my needs. No rocket science involved
> reading the comments in the default config files and adjusting
> things.;)
> 
You're right about it not being rocket science. Rockets usually work the way
they are intended and according to the instructions :-)

Are you sure you can do everything you need to get CUPS/IPP working by just
editing cupsd.conf ?
I am not sure if you can and I could only get it working by using
system-config-printer wizard on FC2.

In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
> Michael Heiming wrote:
[..]

>> Dunno, never looked seriously at the cups docu, can't comment on
>> it, often look which files come with the package and simply use
>> vi(m) to edit things to my needs. No rocket science involved
>> reading the comments in the default config files and adjusting
>> things.;)
>> 
> You're right about it not being rocket science. Rockets usually work the way
> they are intended and according to the instructions :-)

> Are you sure you can do everything you need to get CUPS/IPP working by just
> editing cupsd.conf ?

Where did I say I wouldn't have configured anything else then
cupsd.conf? I don't read that from the above, if you do, I'm
sorry for you.

> I am not sure if you can and I could only get it working by using
> system-config-printer wizard on FC2.

Great if it worked for you.

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Michael Heiming wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>> Michael Heiming wrote:
> [..]
> 
>>> Dunno, never looked seriously at the cups docu, can't comment on
>>> it, often look which files come with the package and simply use
>>> vi(m) to edit things to my needs. No rocket science involved
>>> reading the comments in the default config files and adjusting
>>> things.;)
>>> 
>> You're right about it not being rocket science. Rockets usually work the
>> way they are intended and according to the instructions :-)
> 
>> Are you sure you can do everything you need to get CUPS/IPP working by
>> just editing cupsd.conf ?
> 
> Where did I say I wouldn't have configured anything else then
> cupsd.conf? I don't read that from the above, if you do, I'm
> sorry for you.

Michael I think you misread my point (Am I right in assuming English is your
second/third language ?).BTW My German is rotten even though I stayed in
Dusseldorf for 7 months and loved it. Getting a beer on the trams on a
Friday night was something special.

I asked if it was possible to get CUPS/IPP working by just editing the
cupsd.conf file and not using any wizards.
I got Samba working that way but couldnt manage it with CUPS/IPP.

In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
> Michael Heiming wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>>> Michael Heiming wrote:
[..]
> I asked if it was possible to get CUPS/IPP working by just editing the
> cupsd.conf file and not using any wizards.
> I got Samba working that way but couldnt manage it with CUPS/IPP.

Why not? All those wizards are just a front end to the ascii
config files coming with the cups package. There are no
miracles, anything should be on your system.

/etc/cups/classes.conf
/etc/cups/client.conf
/etc/cups/cupsd.conf
/etc/cups/mime.convs
/etc/cups/mime.types
/etc/cups/printers.conf
/etc/logrotate.d/cups
/etc/rc.d/init.d/cups
/etc/xinetd.d/cups-lpd

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Michael Heiming wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>> Michael Heiming wrote:
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc kalimojo@btinternet.com <kalimojo@btinternet.com>:
>>>> Michael Heiming wrote:
> [..]
>> I asked if it was possible to get CUPS/IPP working by just editing the
>> cupsd.conf file and not using any wizards.
>> I got Samba working that way but couldnt manage it with CUPS/IPP.
> 
> Why not? All those wizards are just a front end to the ascii
> config files coming with the cups package. There are no
> miracles, anything should be on your system.
> 
> /etc/cups/classes.conf
> /etc/cups/client.conf
> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
> /etc/cups/mime.convs
> /etc/cups/mime.types
> /etc/cups/printers.conf
> /etc/logrotate.d/cups
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/cups
> /etc/xinetd.d/cups-lpd
> 
OK. OK. Donnerwetter ! 

I believe you only need to edit cupsd.conf and leave the rest alone as
cupsd.conf will then configure them.
Well done that you managed it by just editing the file in vi.
I tried it and couldnt get it to work.