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Installing MEPIS 3.3.1-1

Hi,

Looking for some advice here please.

I have quite an old machine ... P3 450 with 128MB RAM.

Trying to install MEPIS. CD boots OK and loads KDE although rather
slowly.

On clicking the install me icon on the desktop (logged in as Demo), I
go through the installation routine and select to install on hdb. I
then go to the next step in the process and it tells me it's formatting
etc and the progress bar gets to 1% complete and then pretty much
nothing. Left it running for an hour yesterday to see what happened and
still nothing :o(

I once read that KDE may not be a good window manager to use on low end
spec machines and I think this may be the reason for it doing
everything so slowwwwwwly especially with the 128 RAM in the box.

Does anyone know how to boot MEPIS and load a different window manager
on startup. I have looked but can't find anything unfortunately hence
my question to the group.

I installed MEPIS 2004.06 no problems before but this one just don't
seem to wanna know and I really liked using MEPIS.

My intention is to get MEPIS installed and then use a different window
manager that the computer is comfortable with.

Furter to this ... I have booted Knoppix 3.9 without any problems and
installed OK. That uses KDE and seemed to load fine on this machine.

Many thanks,

Rob.

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:17:34 -0700, Rob Keel wrote:

> Looking for some advice here please.
> 
> I have quite an old machine ... P3 450 with 128MB RAM.
> 
> Trying to install MEPIS. CD boots OK and loads KDE although rather slowly.

One would expect this slowness. After all everything is running out of RAM
and off the CD.  After Mepis is up, it will still be kinda of sluggish. It
is even on my 900MHz Duron machine with 256MB. Runs fine after I put it on
the hard drive, and unloaded all those things I don't need like Samba,
Apache, mail server, etc.

> On clicking the install me icon on the desktop (logged in as Demo), I go
> through the installation routine and select to install on hdb. I then go
> to the next step in the process and it tells me it's formatting etc and
> the progress bar gets to 1% complete and then pretty much nothing. Left it
> running for an hour yesterday to see what happened and still nothing :o(

I installed as root.  Just login as 'root', password is 'root'. 
Don't know if it would make any difference.

When partitioning and formatting the HD, Mepis, by default, does a bad
block check to map out any bad areas on your hard drive, so they won't be
used.  This takes time, and with very large partitions, a very long time
like several hours.  IIRC, I badblock checked a 20 gig HD partitioned in 4
5 gig sections, and it took about 3 to 4 hours per partition, but I was
doing the more intensive, destructive read/write/read check.  (The hard
drive was really screwed up by a catastrophic Windows crash.  Windows was
unable to use it, couldn't even format it, so the friend, whose hard drive
it was, gave it to me.  I'm running Mepis on it right now. Works just
fine.  ;-) ) Anyway, this takes about twice as long as the non-destructive
read check, which, I think, is what Mepis does.

Mepis gives you the option to bypass the bad block check, but I wouldn't. 
Just be patient.  Go have coffee, watch a movie, read the NY Times, then
do the crossword puzzle.

Also, try installing as root instead of Demo.

> I once read that KDE may not be a good window manager to use on low end
> spec machines and I think this may be the reason for it doing everything
> so slowwwwwwly especially with the 128 RAM in the box.

You read correctly.  You can go with a lightweight window manager like
IceWM or...  I've gotten good results with the very efficient window
environment XFCE (www.xfce.org), which is 100% compatible with KDE and
GNOME, so you can run their apps under it, but without the overhead that
KDE and GNOME themselves impose.

> Does anyone know how to boot MEPIS and load a different window manager
> on startup. I have looked but can't find anything unfortunately hence my
> question to the group.

There is a startup script file where your default window manager is set. 
You can edit this to load any manager you have installed.  I'm not totally
familiar with how Mepis is setup, but I did find a file
/etc/X11/default-display-manager that lists /usr/bin/kdm.  But before you
change this:  In the script, /etc/inittab, edit the line

  id:5:initdefault:

to read

  id:3:initdefault:

Then change the default-display-manager file to the window manager you
have installed and want to use.  Reboot.  You will boot into a terminal --
no gui.  Login.  Now, type 'startx'  without the ' to start the X server
and boot the GUI. If it works, you'll have your new GUI and you can change
/etc/inittab back. If it doesn't work, you'll fall back to the terminal
instead of being stuck in a continuous loop with a boot routine that
continously fails.

You'll have to be root to change all these files.

Now, if this too much, try this:  IIRC, XFCE, when installed the first
time will ask, if you want to make it the default GUI, and if you say
"yes", it will make the necessary changes to do it.  All done.

> I installed MEPIS 2004.06 no problems before but this one just don't
> seem to wanna know and I really liked using MEPIS.

Did you buy the Mepis CD or burn it yourself?  If the latter, did you
checksum the download to verify its integrity and did you do the same
after burning it validate you got a good burn?


Stefan
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stefan
7/15/2005 6:45:56 PM
Rob Keel wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Looking for some advice here please.
> 
> I have quite an old machine ... P3 450 with 128MB RAM.
> 
> Trying to install MEPIS. CD boots OK and loads KDE although rather
> slowly.

IMPORTANT NOTE on the physical configuration of the IDE cable(s)!
My PI, PII machines scream, after I properly separate the devices onto their
own IDE cables!

The trick is this:  You want the CDROM on a separate IDE cable from the hard
drives!  

On the older hardware, the harddrives, if run on the IDE cable with a CDROM,
are slowed down to the speed of data transfer of those 
S L O O O W W W  old CD drives!  Some of the 32X to 52X CDs STILL actually
transfer data at turtle speeds when compared to what the hard drives can
do!!!

It doesn't matter, most of the time, which IDE cable goes to which drives,
BUT, I usually place the CDrom on the primary IDE, and setup the CMOS for
it to boot first.  Then, I put the hard drive on the SECONDary IDE cable.
(IF the Primary IDE is a higher speed buss, like ATA 100, then, the reverse
of the above, is the course to take! None of the speed boosts of those
ATA66, ATA100, ATA133, enhancements, etc., actually help cdroms!)

There COULD BE a small problem with a FEW BIOS's that want to boot from the
Primary IDE, but, the hard drive is on the secondary IDE cable.  (I have
done demos/installs of Knoppix and it's derivatives, for three years, in
stores, computer and ham fests, homes, schools, and found this problem on
less than a dozen systems).
  
> 
> On clicking the install me icon on the desktop (logged in as Demo), I
> go through the installation routine and select to install on hdb. I
> then go to the next step in the process and it tells me it's formatting
> etc and the progress bar gets to 1% complete and then pretty much
> nothing. Left it running for an hour yesterday to see what happened and
> still nothing :o(
> 
> I once read that KDE may not be a good window manager to use on low end
> spec machines and I think this may be the reason for it doing
> everything so slowwwwwwly especially with the 128 RAM in the box.
> 
> Does anyone know how to boot MEPIS and load a different window manager
> on startup. I have looked but can't find anything unfortunately hence
> my question to the group.
> 
> I installed MEPIS 2004.06 no problems before but this one just don't
> seem to wanna know and I really liked using MEPIS.
> 
> My intention is to get MEPIS installed and then use a different window
> manager that the computer is comfortable with.
> 
> Furter to this ... I have booted Knoppix 3.9 without any problems and
> installed OK. That uses KDE and seemed to load fine on this machine.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Rob.

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Wise
7/16/2005 9:18:19 PM
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I have quite an old machine ... P3 450 with 128MB RAM.

Trying to install MEPIS. CD boots OK and loads KDE although rather
slowly.
Rob,
     MEPIS just put out a version called MEPIS LITE which is designed
for systems that are older and have less resources, i.e. RAM, etc.
      You might take a look.  Could be what you need.
     Sandlin

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CSIRO says installing solar panels on roofs of businesses could take pressure off the electricity grid ...
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