Hi

I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.

I'm just wondering which one is best?
Linux, windows or a mac?

Thanks

cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>
> I'm just wondering which one is best?
> Linux, windows or a mac?
>
> Thanks

Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.

You're welcome.

Edwin wrote:
> cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
> >
> > I'm just wondering which one is best?
> > Linux, windows or a mac?
> >
> > Thanks
>
> Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>
> You're welcome.

Dammit. I'm trying to start a flame war here, between Linux nerds,
Windows loosers and those really cool people who use macs, and that
response isn't helping. You suck.

I am the greatest troll ever!

Fear my wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In article <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
 "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

> cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
> >
> > I'm just wondering which one is best?
> > Linux, windows or a mac?
> >
> > Thanks
> 
> Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
> 
> You're welcome.

The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He manages 
the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.



I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as 
specific as possible.

In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email, 
internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more reliable, 
troublefree solution.

If you have applications that only run on Windows or if you want to run 
the top of the line, state of the art games, get a Windows PC.

If you're getting a computer as a hobby and want to learn how computers 
work through endless futzing, get a PC running Linux. 



If you want to post more specifics, I'm sure someone here will be able 
to help. If you avoid Edwin's response, the answers might even be useful.

On 3/16/05 1:14 PM, in article
1111000458.520930.5280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk"
<cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> Edwin wrote:
>> cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>>> 
>>> I'm just wondering which one is best?
>>> Linux, windows or a mac?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>> 
>> Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>> 
>> You're welcome.
> 
> Dammit. I'm trying to start a flame war here, between Linux nerds,
> Windows loosers and those really cool people who use macs, and that
> response isn't helping. You suck.
> 
> I am the greatest troll ever!
> 
> Fear my wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
You'll have to do much better than that original post, or even this one
then. Both are pretty far down on the ol' trollometer!

TravelinMan wrote:
> In article <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>>>
>>>I'm just wondering which one is best?
>>>Linux, windows or a mac?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>
>>Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>>
>>You're welcome.
> 
> 
> The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He manages 
> the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
> 
> 
> 
> I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as 
> specific as possible.
> 
> In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email, 
> internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more reliable, 
> troublefree solution.
> 
> If you have applications that only run on Windows or if you want to run 
> the top of the line, state of the art games, get a Windows PC.
> 
> If you're getting a computer as a hobby and want to learn how computers 
> work through endless futzing, get a PC running Linux. 
> 
> 
> 
> If you want to post more specifics, I'm sure someone here will be able 
> to help. If you avoid Edwin's response, the answers might even be useful.

Dude,

how gullible are you?

In article <39rio5F63f8alU1@individual.net>,
 Steve Travis <stravis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> TravelinMan wrote:
> > In article <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> >  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi
> >>>
> >>>I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
> >>>
> >>>I'm just wondering which one is best?
> >>>Linux, windows or a mac?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks
> >>
> >>Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
> >>
> >>You're welcome.
> > 
> > 
> > The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He manages 
> > the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as 
> > specific as possible.
> > 
> > In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email, 
> > internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more reliable, 
> > troublefree solution.
> > 
> > If you have applications that only run on Windows or if you want to run 
> > the top of the line, state of the art games, get a Windows PC.
> > 
> > If you're getting a computer as a hobby and want to learn how computers 
> > work through endless futzing, get a PC running Linux. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If you want to post more specifics, I'm sure someone here will be able 
> > to help. If you avoid Edwin's response, the answers might even be useful.
> 
> Dude,
> 
> how gullible are you?

I'm trusting enough to give someone an honest answer to what COULD BE an 
honest question.

The question should be - how sad are you to always assume the worst of 
people?

Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/16/05 1:14 PM, in article
> 1111000458.520930.5280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk"
> <cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Edwin wrote:
>>
>>>cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi
>>>>
>>>>I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>>>>
>>>>I'm just wondering which one is best?
>>>>Linux, windows or a mac?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>>>
>>>You're welcome.
>>
>>Dammit. I'm trying to start a flame war here, between Linux nerds,
>>Windows loosers and those really cool people who use macs, and that
>>response isn't helping. You suck.
>>
>>I am the greatest troll ever!
>>
>>Fear my wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
> 
> You'll have to do much better than that original post, or even this one
> then. Both are pretty far down on the ol' trollometer!

Apparently, not so much..  Travelinman bought the question, hook line 
and sinker.

On 3/16/05 3:13 PM, in article 39rllpF65lamcU1@individual.net, "Steve
Travis" <stravis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/16/05 1:14 PM, in article
>> 1111000458.520930.5280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk"
>> <cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Edwin wrote:
>>> 
>>>> cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm just wondering which one is best?
>>>>> Linux, windows or a mac?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>>>> 
>>>> You're welcome.
>>> 
>>> Dammit. I'm trying to start a flame war here, between Linux nerds,
>>> Windows loosers and those really cool people who use macs, and that
>>> response isn't helping. You suck.
>>> 
>>> I am the greatest troll ever!
>>> 
>>> Fear my wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> 
>> 
>> You'll have to do much better than that original post, or even this one
>> then. Both are pretty far down on the ol' trollometer!
> 
> Apparently, not so much..  Travelinman bought the question, hook line
> and sinker.

True, but Joe's so easy!  ;-)

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:14:18 -0800, cwocwocwo wrote:

> 
> Edwin wrote:
>> cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>> >
>> > I'm just wondering which one is best?
>> > Linux, windows or a mac?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>>
>> Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>>
>> You're welcome.
> 
> Dammit. I'm trying to start a flame war here, between Linux nerds,
> Windows loosers and those really cool people who use macs, and that
> response isn't helping. You suck.
> 
> I am the greatest troll ever!

Evidently not.

> 
> Fear my wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In article <BE5DFE04.CFFB%lloydparsons@mac.com>,
 Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:

> On 3/16/05 3:13 PM, in article 39rllpF65lamcU1@individual.net, "Steve
> Travis" <stravis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 3/16/05 1:14 PM, in article
> >> 1111000458.520930.5280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, 
> >> "cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk"
> >> <cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> Edwin wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hi
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I'm just wondering which one is best?
> >>>>> Linux, windows or a mac?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>> 
> >>>> Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
> >>>> 
> >>>> You're welcome.
> >>> 
> >>> Dammit. I'm trying to start a flame war here, between Linux nerds,
> >>> Windows loosers and those really cool people who use macs, and that
> >>> response isn't helping. You suck.
> >>> 
> >>> I am the greatest troll ever!
> >>> 
> >>> Fear my wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> You'll have to do much better than that original post, or even this one
> >> then. Both are pretty far down on the ol' trollometer!
> > 
> > Apparently, not so much..  Travelinman bought the question, hook line
> > and sinker.
> 
> True, but Joe's so easy!  ;-)

Sorry, but I prefer to think the best of someone until I have evidence 
otherwise. There ARE occasionally people who come here asking honest 
questions, so there's no reason to attack someone right off the bat.

Of course, once someone proves themselves to be a troll, all bets are 
off.

TravelinMan wrote:
> In article <BE5DFE04.CFFB%lloydparsons@mac.com>,
>  Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>On 3/16/05 3:13 PM, in article 39rllpF65lamcU1@individual.net, "Steve
>>Travis" <stravis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 3/16/05 1:14 PM, in article
>>>>1111000458.520930.5280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, 
>>>>"cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk"
>>>><cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Edwin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm just wondering which one is best?
>>>>>>>Linux, windows or a mac?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dammit. I'm trying to start a flame war here, between Linux nerds,
>>>>>Windows loosers and those really cool people who use macs, and that
>>>>>response isn't helping. You suck.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am the greatest troll ever!
>>>>>
>>>>>Fear my wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You'll have to do much better than that original post, or even this one
>>>>then. Both are pretty far down on the ol' trollometer!
>>>
>>>Apparently, not so much..  Travelinman bought the question, hook line
>>>and sinker.
>>
>>True, but Joe's so easy!  ;-)
> 
> 
> Sorry, but I prefer to think the best of someone until I have evidence 
> otherwise. There ARE occasionally people who come here asking honest 
> questions, so there's no reason to attack someone right off the bat.
> 
> Of course, once someone proves themselves to be a troll, all bets are 
> off.
I thought everyone knew CSMA's reputation as complete trollbait?

In article <DH1_d.51440$%Y4.17854@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
 TheLetterK <theletterk@spymac.com> wrote:

> TravelinMan wrote:
> > In article <BE5DFE04.CFFB%lloydparsons@mac.com>,
> >  Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>On 3/16/05 3:13 PM, in article 39rllpF65lamcU1@individual.net, "Steve
> >>Travis" <stravis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On 3/16/05 1:14 PM, in article
> >>>>1111000458.520930.5280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, 
> >>>>"cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk"
> >>>><cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Edwin wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Hi
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I'm just wondering which one is best?
> >>>>>>>Linux, windows or a mac?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You're welcome.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Dammit. I'm trying to start a flame war here, between Linux nerds,
> >>>>>Windows loosers and those really cool people who use macs, and that
> >>>>>response isn't helping. You suck.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I am the greatest troll ever!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Fear my wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>You'll have to do much better than that original post, or even this one
> >>>>then. Both are pretty far down on the ol' trollometer!
> >>>
> >>>Apparently, not so much..  Travelinman bought the question, hook line
> >>>and sinker.
> >>
> >>True, but Joe's so easy!  ;-)
> > 
> > 
> > Sorry, but I prefer to think the best of someone until I have evidence 
> > otherwise. There ARE occasionally people who come here asking honest 
> > questions, so there's no reason to attack someone right off the bat.
> > 
> > Of course, once someone proves themselves to be a troll, all bets are 
> > off.
> I thought everyone knew CSMA's reputation as complete trollbait?

It is. But that doesn't mean that EVERY post here is a troll - or that 
one should assume the worst of someone.

TravelinMan wrote:
> In article <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
> > >
> > > I'm just wondering which one is best?
> > > Linux, windows or a mac?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
> >
> > You're welcome.
>
> The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He
manages
> the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.

You start off with a libelous attack...

>
> I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as
> specific as possible.

.... and then follow up by asking for information you've already been
given!

> In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email,
> internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more reliable,

> troublefree solution.

The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type of
computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The obvious
answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she wouldn't
have to learn two different computer systems.

[The remainder of Joe's canned response snipped]

cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>
> I'm just wondering which one is best?
> Linux, windows or a mac?
>
> Thanks


Buy either Dell or Apple.   Both are fine computers. 

In article <1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
 "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

> TravelinMan wrote:
> > In article <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> >  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
> > > >
> > > > I'm just wondering which one is best?
> > > > Linux, windows or a mac?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
> > >
> > > You're welcome.
> >
> > The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He
> manages
> > the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
> 
> You start off with a libelous attack...

Truth is an absolute defense against libel accusations.

> 
> >
> > I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as
> > specific as possible.
> 
> ... and then follow up by asking for information you've already been
> given!

Really? In your world 'I need to buy a computer for school work' is 'as 
specific as possible'?

No wonder you are happy with Windows. Facts and details are irrelevant 
to you.

> 
> > In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email,
> > internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more reliable,
> 
> > troublefree solution.
> 
> The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type of
> computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The obvious
> answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she wouldn't
> have to learn two different computer systems.

No, that's not the obvious answer. 

It depends on how everything is set up. For example:

- If her school work consists entirely of research on the Internet and 
writing reports, the platform doesn't matter.

-  if her school work involves almost anything where she's going to 
print out her work and turn it in - but never turn in an electronic 
version, the platform doesn't matter.

-  If her school work consists of submitting electronic copies of her 
work in any file format that the Mac will handle (like Word, Excel, PDF, 
etc), the platform doesn't matter (except that Linux is somewhat less 
convenient in that case).

Your knee-jerk reaction is only the right answer in a very small number 
of cases - when she has to submit work electronically in a format that 
the Mac won't handle - even via VPC.

> 
> [The remainder of Joe's canned response snipped]

IOW, you snipped the factual part of my response - because you've 
repeatedly shown that facts are meaningless to you.

Steve Travis <stravis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> TravelinMan wrote:
> > In article <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> >  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi
> >>>
> >>>I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
> >>>
> >>>I'm just wondering which one is best?
> >>>Linux, windows or a mac?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks
> >>
> >>Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
> >>
> >>You're welcome.
> > 
> > 
> > The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He manages
> > the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as 
> > specific as possible.
> > 
> > In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email, 
> > internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more reliable,
> > troublefree solution.
> > 
> > If you have applications that only run on Windows or if you want to run
> > the top of the line, state of the art games, get a Windows PC.
> > 
> > If you're getting a computer as a hobby and want to learn how computers
> > work through endless futzing, get a PC running Linux. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If you want to post more specifics, I'm sure someone here will be able
> > to help. If you avoid Edwin's response, the answers might even be useful.
> 
> Dude,
> 
> how gullible are you?

Well, to be fair, while the OP was obviously just taking the piss and
trying to start a fight (like the advocacy groups need his help anyway),
this thread will be archived in Google which may very well be browsed by
someone who *is* a 13 year old schoolgirl/boy with just such a dilemma.
So it makes sense to have a least one proper reply which they can use.
Whether Joe's reply or Edwin's is the one to go for, is open to debate.
;-)

-- 
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Wayne Stuart wrote:
> Steve Travis <stravis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>TravelinMan wrote:
>>
>>>In article <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm just wondering which one is best?
>>>>>Linux, windows or a mac?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>>>>
>>>>You're welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He manages
>>>the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as 
>>>specific as possible.
>>>
>>>In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email, 
>>>internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more reliable,
>>>troublefree solution.
>>>
>>>If you have applications that only run on Windows or if you want to run
>>>the top of the line, state of the art games, get a Windows PC.
>>>
>>>If you're getting a computer as a hobby and want to learn how computers
>>>work through endless futzing, get a PC running Linux. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>If you want to post more specifics, I'm sure someone here will be able
>>>to help. If you avoid Edwin's response, the answers might even be useful.
>>
>>Dude,
>>
>>how gullible are you?
> 
> 
> Well, to be fair, while the OP was obviously just taking the piss and
> trying to start a fight (like the advocacy groups need his help anyway),
> this thread will be archived in Google which may very well be browsed by
> someone who *is* a 13 year old schoolgirl/boy with just such a dilemma.
> So it makes sense to have a least one proper reply which they can use.
> Whether Joe's reply or Edwin's is the one to go for, is open to debate.
> ;-)
> 

Good point...  However, seeing what the SNR is in the advocacy groups, 
will the little 13year old actually find their answer or will they 
simply give up after being deluged by all the useless drivel...

Just a thought

In article <1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
 "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

> TravelinMan wrote:
> > In article <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> >  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
> > > >
> > > > I'm just wondering which one is best?
> > > > Linux, windows or a mac?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
> > >
> > > You're welcome.
> >
> > The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He
> manages
> > the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
> 
> You start off with a libelous attack...

Something that is in fact true, can't create a libel situation. 

But then it is eddielost...still lost....
> 
> >
> > I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as
> > specific as possible.
> 
> ... and then follow up by asking for information you've already been
> given!
> 
> > In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email,
> > internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more reliable,
> 
> > troublefree solution.
> 
> The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type of
> computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The obvious
> answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she wouldn't
> have to learn two different computer systems.
> 
> [The remainder of Joe's canned response snipped]
>

-- 
Regards,
JP
"The measure of a man is what he will do while
 expecting that he will get nothing in return!"

<cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:1110996743.404133.219270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Hi
>
> I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>
> I'm just wondering which one is best?
> Linux, windows or a mac?
>
> Thanks
>

It REALLY depends on what you're planning on doing with it... 

"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message 
news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> TravelinMan wrote:
>> In article <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>> > cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> > > Hi
>> > >
>> > > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>> > >
>> > > I'm just wondering which one is best?
>> > > Linux, windows or a mac?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> >
>> > Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>> >
>> > You're welcome.
>>
>> The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He
> manages
>> the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
>
> You start off with a libelous attack...
>
>>
>> I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as
>> specific as possible.
>
> ... and then follow up by asking for information you've already been
> given!
>
>> In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email,
>> internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more reliable,
>
>> troublefree solution.
>
> The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type of
> computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The obvious
> answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she wouldn't
> have to learn two different computer systems.
>

Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants to be a 
computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different computer 
systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on just one. 

> cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>>
>> I'm just wondering which one is best?
>> Linux, windows or a mac?
>>
>> Thanks

A good old Commodore 64 should do the trick for ya, heck, most of the people
who are replying to these posts had a Commodore 64 when they were thirteen,
and look at where they are today!  ;-)

Larry

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"Larry Anderson" <larry@portcommodore.com> wrote in message 
news:1111033516.8ac283f970f94c20316b42c777c18a6d@teranews...
>> cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering which one is best?
>>> Linux, windows or a mac?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>
> A good old Commodore 64 should do the trick for ya, heck, most of the 
> people
> who are replying to these posts had a Commodore 64 when they were 
> thirteen,
> and look at where they are today!  ;-)
>
> Larry

I never had a computer growing up, but I sat next to [part of] an IBM 360 
during my English class in high school... 

cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Dammit. I'm trying to start a flame war here, between Linux nerds,
> Windows loosers and those really cool people who use macs, and that
> response isn't helping. You suck.
> 
> I am the greatest troll ever!
> 
> Fear my wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had believe completely that you were a 13 years old girl...
Maybe because your mind it's like the one of a 13 year old child
and you like to wear girl's dresses.

Regards.

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the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn
like fabulous yellow Roman candles.
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> cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> Dammit. I'm trying to start a flame war here, between Linux nerds,
>> Windows loosers and those really cool people who use macs, and that
>> response isn't helping. You suck.
>> 
>> I am the greatest troll ever!
>> 
>> Fear my wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> I had believe completely that you were a 13 years old girl...
> Maybe because your mind it's like the one of a 13 year old child
> and you like to wear girl's dresses.

Hey, my oldest daughter is 13 and she's got way more sense that this
idiot.  For that matter, my youngest does too, and she's only four!

<f-ups to cola>
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network."
	-- Mike Poor

Larry Anderson <larry@portcommodore.com> wrote:
> A good old Commodore 64 should do the trick for ya, heck, most of the people
> who are replying to these posts had a Commodore 64 when they were thirteen,
> and look at where they are today!  ;-)

Thankfully, the commode didn't exist when I was 13 and when it HAD finally
been released I was old enough to have the sense to pick a decent computer.
:)

In article <1110996743.404133.219270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
 cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
> 
> I'm just wondering which one is best?
> Linux, windows or a mac?
> 
> Thanks

The iBarbie, of course. :)

-- 
Sandman[.net]

TravelinMan wrote:
> In article <BE5DFE04.CFFB%lloydparsons@mac.com>,
>  Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>On 3/16/05 3:13 PM, in article 39rllpF65lamcU1@individual.net, "Steve
>>Travis" <stravis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 3/16/05 1:14 PM, in article
>>>>1111000458.520930.5280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, 
>>>>"cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk"
>>>><cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Edwin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm just wondering which one is best?

>>>>>>>Linux, windows or a mac?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dammit. I'm trying to start a flame war here, between Linux nerds,
>>>>>Windows loosers and those really cool people who use macs, and that
>>>>>response isn't helping. You suck.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am the greatest troll ever!
>>>>>
>>>>>Fear my wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You'll have to do much better than that original post, or even this one
>>>>then. Both are pretty far down on the ol' trollometer!
>>>
>>>Apparently, not so much..  Travelinman bought the question, hook line
>>>and sinker.
>>
>>True, but Joe's so easy!  ;-)
> 
> 
> Sorry, but I prefer to think the best of someone until I have evidence 
> otherwise. There ARE occasionally people who come here asking honest 
> questions, so there's no reason to attack someone right off the bat.
> 
> Of course, once someone proves themselves to be a troll, all bets are 
> off.

That's the point where Ragosta flies off the handle spreading FUD, 
waving and making *stupid* statements such as "PC users spend *all* of 
their time troubleshooting Windows", not to mention the whining and 
bitching like a little girl and the "I don't know how to top pop-ups, 
therefore I'm going to spend money on a new computer", while at the same 
time he uses Windows extensively at *his* company.
Furthermore, he is *so* clueless about Windows, utterly and definitely, 
that he doesn't even know that adaware, spybot and all anti-virus 
programs run in the background.
Seems that this is the week that Ragosta has had a taste of his foot, if 
not *both* of his feet, on a daily basis.

LOL

Nicolas

In article <Dti_d.605$Ln.29038@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
 Nashty <ndk@nogroupthinkmackook.nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:

> TravelinMan wrote:
> > In article <BE5DFE04.CFFB%lloydparsons@mac.com>,
> >  Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>On 3/16/05 3:13 PM, in article 39rllpF65lamcU1@individual.net, "Steve
> >>Travis" <stravis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On 3/16/05 1:14 PM, in article
> >>>>1111000458.520930.5280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, 
> >>>>"cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk"
> >>>><cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Edwin wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Hi
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I'm just wondering which one is best?
> 
> >>>>>>>Linux, windows or a mac?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You're welcome.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Dammit. I'm trying to start a flame war here, between Linux nerds,
> >>>>>Windows loosers and those really cool people who use macs, and that
> >>>>>response isn't helping. You suck.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I am the greatest troll ever!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Fear my wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>You'll have to do much better than that original post, or even this one
> >>>>then. Both are pretty far down on the ol' trollometer!
> >>>
> >>>Apparently, not so much..  Travelinman bought the question, hook line
> >>>and sinker.
> >>
> >>True, but Joe's so easy!  ;-)
> > 
> > 
> > Sorry, but I prefer to think the best of someone until I have evidence 
> > otherwise. There ARE occasionally people who come here asking honest 
> > questions, so there's no reason to attack someone right off the bat.
> > 
> > Of course, once someone proves themselves to be a troll, all bets are 
> > off.
> 
> That's the point where Ragosta flies off the handle spreading FUD, 

That's funny since you're the one running around like a mad man spewing 
all sorts of lies.

> waving and making *stupid* statements such as "PC users spend *all* of 
> their time troubleshooting Windows", not to mention the whining and 

Nope. I never made that statement.

> bitching like a little girl and the "I don't know how to top pop-ups, 

Wrong. We've applied several popup blockers and they don't work. PC 
Magazine also agrees that the best popup blocker only gets 80%

> therefore I'm going to spend money on a new computer", while at the same 
> time he uses Windows extensively at *his* company.

So you join Edwin in being too stupid to understand. Figures.

> Furthermore, he is *so* clueless about Windows, utterly and definitely, 
> that he doesn't even know that adaware, spybot and all anti-virus 
> programs run in the background.

Yet they still require some user interaction. Regardless, they don't 
work.

> Seems that this is the week that Ragosta has had a taste of his foot, if 
> not *both* of his feet, on a daily basis.

Not at all. But, then, since you've demonstrated a complete inability to 
tell the truth, it's not surprising you think so.

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spike1@freenet.co.uk <spike1@freenet.co.uk> espoused:
> Larry Anderson <larry@portcommodore.com> wrote:
>> A good old Commodore 64 should do the trick for ya, heck, most of the people
>> who are replying to these posts had a Commodore 64 when they were thirteen,
>> and look at where they are today!  ;-)
> 
> Thankfully, the commode didn't exist when I was 13 and when it HAD finally
> been released I was old enough to have the sense to pick a decent computer.
>:)
> 

We had flushable toilets when I was 13.  Even in Yorkshire.

-- 
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| Mark Kent   --   mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk  |
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
     --Mahatma Gandhi

Mark Kent <mark.kent@demon.co.uk> did eloquently scribble:
> begin  oe_protect.scr 
> spike1@freenet.co.uk <spike1@freenet.co.uk> espoused:
>> Larry Anderson <larry@portcommodore.com> wrote:
>>> A good old Commodore 64 should do the trick for ya, heck, most of the people
>>> who are replying to these posts had a Commodore 64 when they were thirteen,
>>> and look at where they are today!  ;-)
>> 
>> Thankfully, the commode didn't exist when I was 13 and when it HAD finally
>> been released I was old enough to have the sense to pick a decent computer.
>>:)
>> 
> 
> We had flushable toilets when I was 13.  Even in Yorkshire.
> 
heh, commode 64 silly...
:)
(but you knew that.... didn't you?)
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spike1@freenet.co.uk <spike1@freenet.co.uk> espoused:
> Mark Kent <mark.kent@demon.co.uk> did eloquently scribble:
>> begin  oe_protect.scr 
>> spike1@freenet.co.uk <spike1@freenet.co.uk> espoused:
>>> Larry Anderson <larry@portcommodore.com> wrote:
>>>> A good old Commodore 64 should do the trick for ya, heck, most of the people
>>>> who are replying to these posts had a Commodore 64 when they were thirteen,
>>>> and look at where they are today!  ;-)
>>> 
>>> Thankfully, the commode didn't exist when I was 13 and when it HAD finally
>>> been released I was old enough to have the sense to pick a decent computer.
>>>:)
>>> 
>> 
>> We had flushable toilets when I was 13.  Even in Yorkshire.
>> 
> heh, commode 64 silly...
       commodore, surely?

>:)
> (but you knew that.... didn't you?)

commode is a bucket to cr*p into..?  Considering that, some aspects of
computing probably haven't moved on much...

-- 
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| Mark Kent   --   mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk  |
No matter how much you do you never do enough.

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Mark Kent
<mark.kent@demon.co.uk>
 wrote
on Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:47:22 +0000
<qlpe1d.s08.ln@ellandroad.demon.co.uk>:
> begin  oe_protect.scr 
> spike1@freenet.co.uk <spike1@freenet.co.uk> espoused:
>> Mark Kent <mark.kent@demon.co.uk> did eloquently scribble:
>>> begin  oe_protect.scr 
>>> spike1@freenet.co.uk <spike1@freenet.co.uk> espoused:
>>>> Larry Anderson <larry@portcommodore.com> wrote:
>>>>> A good old Commodore 64 should do the trick for ya, heck, most of the people
>>>>> who are replying to these posts had a Commodore 64 when they were thirteen,
>>>>> and look at where they are today!  ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> Thankfully, the commode didn't exist when I was 13 and when it HAD finally
>>>> been released I was old enough to have the sense to pick a decent computer.
>>>>:)
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> We had flushable toilets when I was 13.  Even in Yorkshire.
>>> 
>> heh, commode 64 silly...
>        commodore, surely?
>
>>:)
>> (but you knew that.... didn't you?)
>
> commode is a bucket to cr*p into..?  Considering that, some aspects of
> computing probably haven't moved on much...
>

Yeah, but it was an instantly bootable bucket of swill.  Too bad
Windows (or, for that matter, the PC!) hasn't quite figured out
how to do that yet.

(Admittedly, I'm given to understand one can burn a BIOS based
on Linux that will boot an entire system in less than 10 seconds.
Of course, that's without a lot of stuff, presumably.)

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
It's still legal to go .sigless.

The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> did eloquently scribble:
> Yeah, but it was an instantly bootable bucket of swill.  Too bad
> Windows (or, for that matter, the PC!) hasn't quite figured out
> how to do that yet.

Well, that's cos almost every 8bit computer released in the late 70s or 80s
was ROM based... Bit awkward updating your kernel when the whole thing +
libs is in ROM.
:)


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spike1@freenet.co.uk <spike1@freenet.co.uk> espoused:
> The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> did eloquently scribble:
>> Yeah, but it was an instantly bootable bucket of swill.  Too bad
>> Windows (or, for that matter, the PC!) hasn't quite figured out
>> how to do that yet.
> 
> Well, that's cos almost every 8bit computer released in the late 70s or 80s
> was ROM based... Bit awkward updating your kernel when the whole thing +
> libs is in ROM.
>:)
> 

Initial bootcode was rom, but cp/m machines, and flex machines,  all read 
dos from the disks, afaik.

-- 
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| Mark Kent   --   mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk  |
No matter how much you do you never do enough.

TravelinMan wrote:
> In article <1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
>  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > TravelinMan wrote:
> > > In article
<1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> > >  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school
work.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm just wondering which one is best?
> > > > > Linux, windows or a mac?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
> > > >
> > > > You're welcome.
> > >
> > > The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He
> > manages
> > > the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
> >
> > You start off with a libelous attack...
>
> Truth is an absolute defense against libel accusations.

Then you are absolutely defenseless.

> >
> > >
> > > I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as
> > > specific as possible.
> >
> > ... and then follow up by asking for information you've already
been
> > given!
>
> Really? In your world 'I need to buy a computer for school work' is
'as
> specific as possible'?

It's specific enough for a 13 year old child, whose biggest
preoccupation is school.

> No wonder you are happy with Windows. Facts and details are
irrelevant
> to you.

Sweat the details out of that little girl, Joe!  LOL

I'm "happy" with Windows for the same reason your employees are...
oops... that means they don't care about "facts and details," eh?

> >
> > > In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email,
> > > internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more
reliable,
> >
> > > troublefree solution.
> >
> > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type of
> > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
obvious
> > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
wouldn't
> > have to learn two different computer systems.
>
> No, that's not the obvious answer.

Sure it is.

> It depends on how everything is set up. For example:
>
[irrelevant babble snipped]

> Your knee-jerk reaction

You're the only one giving a "knee-jerk reaction.   I didn't advise
'her' against the Mac, or to get Linux or Windows.   I told her to get
whatever her school is using.  That may well be Macs.

> is only the right answer in a very small number
> of cases - when she has to submit work electronically in a format
that
> the Mac won't handle - even via VPC.

A 13 year old child shouldn't be expected to learn two different
computer platforms.   End of discusssion.

[The remainder of Joe's rant snipped]

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Mark Kent
<mark.kent@demon.co.uk>
 wrote
on Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:41:56 +0000
<4vhf1d.2hf.ln@ellandroad.demon.co.uk>:
> begin  oe_protect.scr 
> spike1@freenet.co.uk <spike1@freenet.co.uk> espoused:
>> The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> did eloquently scribble:
>>> Yeah, but it was an instantly bootable bucket of swill.  Too bad
>>> Windows (or, for that matter, the PC!) hasn't quite figured out
>>> how to do that yet.
>> 
>> Well, that's cos almost every 8bit computer released in the late 70s or 80s
>> was ROM based... Bit awkward updating your kernel when the whole thing +
>> libs is in ROM.
>>:)
>> 
>
> Initial bootcode was rom, but cp/m machines, and flex machines,  all read 
> dos from the disks, afaik.
>

Amiga went through a number of interesting perversions.
The A1000 had no ROM (or maybe a very small snippet
that could read Kickstart from floppy and put it into
a special RAM area, that I think was called KickRAM;
this is otherwise standard RAM that was made read-only
once loaded).  The A2000 introduced more conventional
ROM into the equation, although there was at least one
adapter kit that could flip between WB 1.3 and WB 2.0
(control-Amiga-Amiga held down for 5-10 seconds triggered
the flip, IIRC).

I don't remember whether the Amiga could load KickRAM from a hard disk.

But agreed, almost every computer prior to the PC either had no
brains at all (in my 1802's case I had to key in a loader -- I
implemented at one point a hex keypad as a hack), or most of
the OS was in ROM (e.g., Apple ]['s Basic).  Even the very first
PCs would boot into Basic if they couldn't find anything better
to boot ("better", of course, being MSDOS in most cases, back then).

But it sure made them a little more fun; one didn't have
to wait for daemons to start up or for the disk to rattle
away prior to login. :-)

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
It's still legal to go .sigless.

TravelinMan wrote:
> In article <39rio5F63f8alU1@individual.net>,
>  Steve Travis <stravis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>TravelinMan wrote:
>>
>>>In article <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm just wondering which one is best?
>>>>>Linux, windows or a mac?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>>>>
>>>>You're welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He manages 
>>>the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as 
>>>specific as possible.
>>>
>>>In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email, 
>>>internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more reliable, 
>>>troublefree solution.
>>>
>>>If you have applications that only run on Windows or if you want to run 
>>>the top of the line, state of the art games, get a Windows PC.
>>>
>>>If you're getting a computer as a hobby and want to learn how computers 
>>>work through endless futzing, get a PC running Linux. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>If you want to post more specifics, I'm sure someone here will be able 
>>>to help. If you avoid Edwin's response, the answers might even be useful.
>>
>>Dude,
>>
>>how gullible are you?
> 
> 
> I'm trusting enough to give someone an honest answer to what COULD BE an 
> honest question.

You know, GW, tried to say this once... Fool me once, shame on you. 
Foold me twice shame on...er...er...ahh...point is I won't be fooled again.

How many times have you been fooled?

> The question should be - how sad are you to always assume the worst of 
> people?

Better to be a sad, suspicious of everyone sob, than a pathetic gullible 
jackass such as you.

LawsonE wrote:
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > TravelinMan wrote:
> >> In article
<1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> >>  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >> > > Hi
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school
work.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm just wondering which one is best?
> >> > > Linux, windows or a mac?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
> >> >
> >> > You're welcome.
> >>
> >> The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He
> > manages
> >> the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
> >
> > You start off with a libelous attack...
> >
> >>
> >> I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as
> >> specific as possible.
> >
> > ... and then follow up by asking for information you've already
been
> > given!
> >
> >> In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email,
> >> internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more
reliable,
> >
> >> troublefree solution.
> >
> > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type of
> > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
obvious
> > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
wouldn't
> > have to learn two different computer systems.
> >
>
> Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants to
be a
> computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different computer

> systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on just
one.

I stand by my answer.

"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message 
news:1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> LawsonE wrote:
>> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
>> news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > TravelinMan wrote:
>> >> In article
> <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>> >>  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> >> > > Hi
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school
> work.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I'm just wondering which one is best?
>> >> > > Linux, windows or a mac?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>> >> >
>> >> > You're welcome.
>> >>
>> >> The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He
>> > manages
>> >> the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
>> >
>> > You start off with a libelous attack...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as
>> >> specific as possible.
>> >
>> > ... and then follow up by asking for information you've already
> been
>> > given!
>> >
>> >> In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email,
>> >> internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more
> reliable,
>> >
>> >> troublefree solution.
>> >
>> > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type of
>> > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
> obvious
>> > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
> wouldn't
>> > have to learn two different computer systems.
>> >
>>
>> Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants to
> be a
>> computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different computer
>
>> systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on just
> one.
>
> I stand by my answer.
>

Shrug. Have her learn Linux and Windows-based stuff. 

LawsonE wrote:
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > LawsonE wrote:
> >> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > TravelinMan wrote:
> >> >> In article
> > <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >>  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >> >> > > Hi
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school
> > work.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I'm just wondering which one is best?
> >> >> > > Linux, windows or a mac?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Thanks
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You're welcome.
> >> >>
> >> >> The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He
> >> > manages
> >> >> the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
> >> >
> >> > You start off with a libelous attack...
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be
as
> >> >> specific as possible.
> >> >
> >> > ... and then follow up by asking for information you've already
> > been
> >> > given!
> >> >
> >> >> In general, if you're looking for something for homework,
email,
> >> >> internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more
> > reliable,
> >> >
> >> >> troublefree solution.
> >> >
> >> > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type of
> >> > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
> > obvious
> >> > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
> > wouldn't
> >> > have to learn two different computer systems.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants
to
> > be a
> >> computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different
computer
> >
> >> systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on
just
> > one.
> >
> > I stand by my answer.
> >
>
> Shrug. Have her learn Linux and Windows-based stuff.

If her school makes her use that.  If her school has Macs, get her a
Mac.

In article <1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
 "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

> LawsonE wrote:
> > "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
> > news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type of
> > > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
> obvious
> > > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
> wouldn't
> > > have to learn two different computer systems.
> > >
> >
> > Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants to
> be a
> > computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different computer
> 
> > systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on just
> one.
> 
> I stand by my answer.

Of COURSE you do. You stand by all your answers - no matter how many 
times they're discredited.

Did you get anyone to explain to you that ATMs are not workstations, yet?

TravelinMan wrote:
> In article <1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > LawsonE wrote:
> > > "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type
of
> > > > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
> > obvious
> > > > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
> > wouldn't
> > > > have to learn two different computer systems.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants
to
> > be a
> > > computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different
computer
> >
> > > systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on
just
> > one.
> >
> > I stand by my answer.
>
> Of COURSE you do. You stand by all your answers - no matter how many
> times they're discredited.

You're confusing me with Joe Ragosta.   I admit to errors if they can
be proven to me.

> Did you get anyone to explain to you that ATMs are not workstations,
yet?

Again you confuse me with Joe Ragosta... have you met him?  He's the
guy who's supposed to be documenting his claim that Apple outsells all
other Unix vendors combined.

In article <1111194543.946404.302660@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
 "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

> TravelinMan wrote:
> > In article <1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> >  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > LawsonE wrote:
> > > > "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type
> of
> > > > > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
> > > obvious
> > > > > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
> > > wouldn't
> > > > > have to learn two different computer systems.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants
> to
> > > be a
> > > > computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different
> computer
> > >
> > > > systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on
> just
> > > one.
> > >
> > > I stand by my answer.
> >
> > Of COURSE you do. You stand by all your answers - no matter how many
> > times they're discredited.
> 
> You're confusing me with Joe Ragosta.   I admit to errors if they can
> be proven to me.

ROTFLMAO. You should probably consider a career as a comedian. After 
all, you might as well get paid for it.

> 
> > Did you get anyone to explain to you that ATMs are not workstations,
> yet?
> 
> Again you confuse me with Joe Ragosta... have you met him? 

Of course. I'm the one who keeps pointing out how silly it was for you 
to claim that ATMs are workstations.

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The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> espoused:
<snip rom stuff>
> 
> But agreed, almost every computer prior to the PC either had no
> brains at all (in my 1802's case I had to key in a loader -- I
> implemented at one point a hex keypad as a hack), or most of
> the OS was in ROM (e.g., Apple ]['s Basic).  Even the very first
> PCs would boot into Basic if they couldn't find anything better
> to boot ("better", of course, being MSDOS in most cases, back then).
> 
> But it sure made them a little more fun; one didn't have
> to wait for daemons to start up or for the disk to rattle
> away prior to login. :-)
> 

Hehe - yeah.  I've the bits of an original 'portable' which booted
into basic.

-- 
end
| Mark Kent   --   mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk  |
How many "coming men" has one known!  Where on earth do they all go to?
		-- Sir Arthur Wing Pinero

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LawsonE <nospam@nospam.com> espoused:
> 
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message 
> news:1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> LawsonE wrote:
>>> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>> >
>>> > TravelinMan wrote:
>>> >> In article
>> <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>> >>  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> >> > > Hi
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school
>> work.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > I'm just wondering which one is best?
>>> >> > > Linux, windows or a mac?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Thanks
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > You're welcome.
>>> >>
>>> >> The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He
>>> > manages
>>> >> the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
>>> >
>>> > You start off with a libelous attack...
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as
>>> >> specific as possible.
>>> >
>>> > ... and then follow up by asking for information you've already
>> been
>>> > given!
>>> >
>>> >> In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email,
>>> >> internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more
>> reliable,
>>> >
>>> >> troublefree solution.
>>> >
>>> > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type of
>>> > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
>> obvious
>>> > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
>> wouldn't
>>> > have to learn two different computer systems.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants to
>> be a
>>> computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different computer
>>
>>> systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on just
>> one.
>>
>> I stand by my answer.
>>
> 
> Shrug. Have her learn Linux and Windows-based stuff. 
> 

As Microsoft Windows will be shoved at kids by the government through
schools because Bill G's made some charitable donation or other, then you
can be sure that your kids will learn about Microsoft Windows anyway.
Rather than have them believe that computing is really that bad, you
can do what I've done, which is allow your kids to experience the huge
range of other operating systems which are out there.

Freedos, Linux, BSDs are all, err, free & open.  I think you can get a
version of BeOS for free, licensing is not open, but you can still try it.
Solaris x86 I think is a free download (if enormous).  DRDOS is free for
personal use, and CP/M-86 is still bootable on a modern PC, although it
lacks the richness of software which more modern OSes have.

I've you've the money to spare, a Mac and OSX might be of interest.
Also, the latest incarnation of OS/2 is still around, although it's
had a name change.  It has staunch fans, and is still considered to
be a better windows than windows by many of those people.  You pay,
though.

My kids have no problem with using different OSes, so don't be fooled
by the marketing people who tell you that 'one way is best', it's not.

-- 
end
| Mark Kent   --   mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk  |
How many "coming men" has one known!  Where on earth do they all go to?
		-- Sir Arthur Wing Pinero

begin  oe_protect.scr 
Edwin <thorne25@juno.com> espoused:
> 
> LawsonE wrote:
>> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
>> news:1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > LawsonE wrote:
>> >> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > TravelinMan wrote:
>> >> >> In article
>> > <1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >>  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> >> >> > > Hi
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school
>> > work.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I'm just wondering which one is best?
>> >> >> > > Linux, windows or a mac?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Thanks
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You're welcome.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He
>> >> > manages
>> >> >> the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
>> >> >
>> >> > You start off with a libelous attack...
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be
> as
>> >> >> specific as possible.
>> >> >
>> >> > ... and then follow up by asking for information you've already
>> > been
>> >> > given!
>> >> >
>> >> >> In general, if you're looking for something for homework,
> email,
>> >> >> internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more
>> > reliable,
>> >> >
>> >> >> troublefree solution.
>> >> >
>> >> > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type of
>> >> > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
>> > obvious
>> >> > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
>> > wouldn't
>> >> > have to learn two different computer systems.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants
> to
>> > be a
>> >> computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different
> computer
>> >
>> >> systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on
> just
>> > one.
>> >
>> > I stand by my answer.
>> >
>>
>> Shrug. Have her learn Linux and Windows-based stuff.
> 
> If her school makes her use that.  If her school has Macs, get her a
> Mac.
> 

Interesting - I'd have advised the opposite.

-- 
end
| Mark Kent   --   mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk  |
How many "coming men" has one known!  Where on earth do they all go to?
		-- Sir Arthur Wing Pinero

Mark Kent wrote:
> begin  oe_protect.scr 
> LawsonE <nospam@nospam.com> espoused:
> 
>>"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message 
>>news:1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>LawsonE wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>TravelinMan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article
>>>
>>><1110997075.295922.318280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>
>>>>>> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>cwocwo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school
>>>
>>>work.
>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm just wondering which one is best?
>>>>>>>>Linux, windows or a mac?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Buy the same type of computer that your school is using.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You're welcome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The first advice is to never listen to anything Edwin says. He
>>>>>
>>>>>manages
>>>>>
>>>>>>the impressive record of being wrong 99.73% of the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>You start off with a libelous attack...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would ask what you want to do with your computer. Please be as
>>>>>>specific as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>... and then follow up by asking for information you've already
>>>
>>>been
>>>
>>>>>given!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In general, if you're looking for something for homework, email,
>>>>>>internet access, and similar things, the Mac will be a more
>>>
>>>reliable,
>>>
>>>>>>troublefree solution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type of
>>>>>computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
>>>
>>>obvious
>>>
>>>>>answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
>>>
>>>wouldn't
>>>
>>>>>have to learn two different computer systems.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants to
>>>
>>>be a
>>>
>>>>computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different computer
>>>
>>>>systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on just
>>>
>>>one.
>>>
>>>I stand by my answer.
>>>
>>
>>Shrug. Have her learn Linux and Windows-based stuff. 
>>
> 
> 
> As Microsoft Windows will be shoved at kids by the government through
> schools because Bill G's made some charitable donation or other, then you
> can be sure that your kids will learn about Microsoft Windows anyway.
> Rather than have them believe that computing is really that bad, you
> can do what I've done, which is allow your kids to experience the huge
> range of other operating systems which are out there.
> 
> Freedos, Linux, BSDs are all, err, free & open.  I think you can get a
> version of BeOS for free, licensing is not open, but you can still try it.
> Solaris x86 I think is a free download (if enormous).  DRDOS is free for
> personal use, and CP/M-86 is still bootable on a modern PC, although it
> lacks the richness of software which more modern OSes have.
> 
> I've you've the money to spare, a Mac and OSX might be of interest.
> Also, the latest incarnation of OS/2 is still around, although it's
> had a name change.  It has staunch fans, and is still considered to
> be a better windows than windows by many of those people.  You pay,
> though.
Amiga isn't dead either. Amiga OS 4 will be released... someday.

> He's the
> guy who's supposed to be documenting his claim that Apple outsells all
> other Unix vendors combined.
I wouldn't be surprised by this.

TheLetterK poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:

>> He's the
>> guy who's supposed to be documenting his claim that Apple outsells all
>> other Unix vendors combined.
> I wouldn't be surprised by this.

I would.

-- 
When was the last time you thought about
Microsoft, except in frustration or anger?
--  Michael S. Malone, Silicon Insider

Lin�nut wrote:
> TheLetterK poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
> 
> 
>>>He's the
>>>guy who's supposed to be documenting his claim that Apple outsells all
>>>other Unix vendors combined.
>>
>>I wouldn't be surprised by this.
> 
> 
> I would.
> 

Its not that hard to see.  In academia, we might be 5 UNIX Workstations 
per year, ie: Sun, SGI, HP, IBM, but will by Apple machines by the truck 
load, think media labs with 30+ G5's in them at a time.  Then, there is 
a matter of Powerbooks which are being bought like crazy, and no UNIX 
vendor has an answer for that.  Sun Microsystems recently started 
shipping an Opteron Workstation with Linux (or Solaris x86) installed, 
this might help them ship some more units.  When buying servers on the 
other hand, its the total opposite.

-- 
Bruce.

LawsonE wrote:
> <cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1110996743.404133.219270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
> >
> > I'm just wondering which one is best?
> > Linux, windows or a mac?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>
> It REALLY depends on what you're planning on doing with it...

I bet she's just trolling

begin  In <1110996743.404133.219270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, on
03/16/2005
   at 10:12 AM, cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk said:

>I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.

I can give you a good price on a Coleco.

>I'm just wondering which one is best?

The one that best suits your needs.

>Linux, windows or a mac?

No. 

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"TravelinMan" <Nowhere@spamfree.com> wrote in message 
news:Nowhere-29C421.20222918032005@news.central.cox.net...
> In article <1111194543.946404.302660@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> TravelinMan wrote:
>> > In article <1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> >  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > LawsonE wrote:
>> > > > "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
>> > > > news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type
>> of
>> > > > > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
>> > > obvious
>> > > > > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
>> > > wouldn't
>> > > > > have to learn two different computer systems.
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants
>> to
>> > > be a
>> > > > computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different
>> computer
>> > >
>> > > > systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on
>> just
>> > > one.
>> > >
>> > > I stand by my answer.
>> >
>> > Of COURSE you do. You stand by all your answers - no matter how many
>> > times they're discredited.
>>
>> You're confusing me with Joe Ragosta.   I admit to errors if they can
>> be proven to me.
>
> ROTFLMAO. You should probably consider a career as a comedian. After
> all, you might as well get paid for it.

Thanks.   And you ought to consider a career change that would allow you to 
fully use your 'skill set,' such as being a hat rack or a crash dummy...

>>
>> > Did you get anyone to explain to you that ATMs are not workstations,
>> yet?
>>
>> Again you confuse me with Joe Ragosta... have you met him?
>
> Of course. I'm the one who keeps pointing out how silly it was for you
> to claim that ATMs are workstations.

I never made that claim. 

"Bruce Williams" <bruce.williams@iinet.net.au> wrote in message 
news:423de660$0$2755$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Lin�nut wrote:
>> TheLetterK poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>>
>>
>>>>He's the
>>>>guy who's supposed to be documenting his claim that Apple outsells all
>>>>other Unix vendors combined.
>>>
>>>I wouldn't be surprised by this.
>>
>>
>> I would.
>>
>
> Its not that hard to see.  In academia, we might be 5 UNIX Workstations 
> per year, ie: Sun, SGI, HP, IBM, but will by Apple machines by the truck 
> load, think media labs with 30+ G5's in them at a time.  Then, there is a 
> matter of Powerbooks which are being bought like crazy, and no UNIX vendor 
> has an answer for that.  Sun Microsystems recently started shipping an 
> Opteron Workstation with Linux (or Solaris x86) installed, this might help 
> them ship some more units.  When buying servers on the other hand, its the 
> total opposite.

That's subjective and anecdotal.   Joe Ragosta (aka TravelinMan) needs to 
document his claim that Apple outsells all other Unix vendors combined.   He 
just snips that and runs away. 

In article <vw01e.11100$ZB6.1367@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
 "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

> "TravelinMan" <Nowhere@spamfree.com> wrote in message 
> news:Nowhere-29C421.20222918032005@news.central.cox.net...
> > In article <1111194543.946404.302660@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> >> TravelinMan wrote:
> >> > In article <1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > LawsonE wrote:
> >> > > > "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> > > > news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type
> >> of
> >> > > > > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
> >> > > obvious
> >> > > > > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
> >> > > wouldn't
> >> > > > > have to learn two different computer systems.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants
> >> to
> >> > > be a
> >> > > > computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different
> >> computer
> >> > >
> >> > > > systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on
> >> just
> >> > > one.
> >> > >
> >> > > I stand by my answer.
> >> >
> >> > Of COURSE you do. You stand by all your answers - no matter how many
> >> > times they're discredited.
> >>
> >> You're confusing me with Joe Ragosta.   I admit to errors if they can
> >> be proven to me.
> >
> > ROTFLMAO. You should probably consider a career as a comedian. After
> > all, you might as well get paid for it.
> 
> Thanks.   And you ought to consider a career change that would allow you to 
> fully use your 'skill set,' such as being a hat rack or a crash dummy...
> 
> >>
> >> > Did you get anyone to explain to you that ATMs are not workstations,
> >> yet?
> >>
> >> Again you confuse me with Joe Ragosta... have you met him?
> >
> > Of course. I'm the one who keeps pointing out how silly it was for you
> > to claim that ATMs are workstations.
> 
> I never made that claim. 

Edwin, you made a claim that was damned close to it, if not that 
exactly, when you were trying to defend your claim that 830 million 
workstations were sold in the first half of 2004.

-- 
Dave Fritzinger

In article <qB01e.11102$ZB6.4918@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
 "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

> "Bruce Williams" <bruce.williams@iinet.net.au> wrote in message 
> news:423de660$0$2755$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> > Lin�nut wrote:
> >> TheLetterK poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>He's the
> >>>>guy who's supposed to be documenting his claim that Apple outsells all
> >>>>other Unix vendors combined.
> >>>
> >>>I wouldn't be surprised by this.
> >>
> >>
> >> I would.
> >>
> >
> > Its not that hard to see.  In academia, we might be 5 UNIX Workstations 
> > per year, ie: Sun, SGI, HP, IBM, but will by Apple machines by the truck 
> > load, think media labs with 30+ G5's in them at a time.  Then, there is a 
> > matter of Powerbooks which are being bought like crazy, and no UNIX vendor 
> > has an answer for that.  Sun Microsystems recently started shipping an 
> > Opteron Workstation with Linux (or Solaris x86) installed, this might help 
> > them ship some more units.  When buying servers on the other hand, its the 
> > total opposite.
> 
> That's subjective and anecdotal.   Joe Ragosta (aka TravelinMan) needs to 
> document his claim that Apple outsells all other Unix vendors combined.   He 
> just snips that and runs away. 

This should help you out, if you're bright enough to do the math...

"May 29, 2002
Sun Microsystems continues as the world's top UNIX workstation vendor 
 By  Jeremy Reed 
Sun Microsystems, Inc. continues as the world's top UNIX workstation 
vendor with 68 percent market share for global shipments and 25 million 
in global revenue according to Q1CY'02 results from analyst firm IDC. In 
shipments terms, Sun outpaced all competitors combined. In revenue 
terms, Sun's year-over-year gain of three percent, compared to IBM's 
loss of five percent, extended Sun's share to 42 percent of the market."

<http://www.serverwatch.com/news/article.php/1404301>

So in 2002, Sun sold something on the order of $100 million of Unix 
workstations for 68% of the market in 2002. If we assume a very low 
estimate of $500 per unit, that represents 200,000 systems. So the 
overall Unix workstation unit sales were 294,000 in 2002.

Apple's PowerMac sales *alone* in 2002 were 766,000. It's total unit 
sales for 2002, were 3,101,000, so even if my analysis of other Unix 
vendor's workstation sales is out by a factor of ten, Apple would still 
sell more Unix systems than all of them combined.

Happy to help.

-- 
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

In article <dfritzin-6828D5.13584025032005@orngca-news03.socal.rr.com>,
 David Fritzinger <dfritzin@macNoSpam.com> wrote:

> In article <vw01e.11100$ZB6.1367@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
>  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> 
> > "TravelinMan" <Nowhere@spamfree.com> wrote in message 
> > news:Nowhere-29C421.20222918032005@news.central.cox.net...
> > > In article <1111194543.946404.302660@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> TravelinMan wrote:
> > >> > In article <1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> >  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > LawsonE wrote:
> > >> > > > "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
> > >> > > > news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which type
> > >> of
> > >> > > > > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.   The
> > >> > > obvious
> > >> > > > > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses, so she
> > >> > > wouldn't
> > >> > > > > have to learn two different computer systems.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she wants
> > >> to
> > >> > > be a
> > >> > > > computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2 different
> > >> computer
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > systems when young might be better for her than standardizing on
> > >> just
> > >> > > one.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I stand by my answer.
> > >> >
> > >> > Of COURSE you do. You stand by all your answers - no matter how many
> > >> > times they're discredited.
> > >>
> > >> You're confusing me with Joe Ragosta.   I admit to errors if they can
> > >> be proven to me.
> > >
> > > ROTFLMAO. You should probably consider a career as a comedian. After
> > > all, you might as well get paid for it.
> > 
> > Thanks.   And you ought to consider a career change that would allow you to 
> > fully use your 'skill set,' such as being a hat rack or a crash dummy...
> > 
> > >>
> > >> > Did you get anyone to explain to you that ATMs are not workstations,
> > >> yet?
> > >>
> > >> Again you confuse me with Joe Ragosta... have you met him?
> > >
> > > Of course. I'm the one who keeps pointing out how silly it was for you
> > > to claim that ATMs are workstations.
> > 
> > I never made that claim. 
> 
> Edwin, you made a claim that was damned close to it, if not that 
> exactly, when you were trying to defend your claim that 830 million 
> workstations were sold in the first half of 2004.

It was exactly that.

He was defending his 830 million workstation number and said that the 
number included ATMs.

In article <Nowhere-7962F0.20520325032005@news.central.cox.net>,
 TravelinMan <Nowhere@spamfree.com> wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-6828D5.13584025032005@orngca-news03.socal.rr.com>,
>  David Fritzinger <dfritzin@macNoSpam.com> wrote:

[snip]

> > Edwin, you made a claim that was damned close to it, if not that 
> > exactly, when you were trying to defend your claim that 830 million 
> > workstations were sold in the first half of 2004.
> 
> It was exactly that.
> 
> He was defending his 830 million workstation number and said that the 
> number included ATMs.

Actually, it's an interesting question. I wonder how many ATMs there are 
in the world? My guess is there are a *lot* fewer ATMs than computers -- 
after all, most homes and offices don't have ATMs in them.

-- 
"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply
ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table."
   -- George W. Bush in Brussels, Belgium, Feb. 22, 2005

In article <znu-1B0C5C.13154626032005@individual.net>,
 ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:

> In article <Nowhere-7962F0.20520325032005@news.central.cox.net>,
>  TravelinMan <Nowhere@spamfree.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <dfritzin-6828D5.13584025032005@orngca-news03.socal.rr.com>,
> >  David Fritzinger <dfritzin@macNoSpam.com> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > > Edwin, you made a claim that was damned close to it, if not that 
> > > exactly, when you were trying to defend your claim that 830 million 
> > > workstations were sold in the first half of 2004.
> > 
> > It was exactly that.
> > 
> > He was defending his 830 million workstation number and said that the 
> > number included ATMs.
> 
> Actually, it's an interesting question. I wonder how many ATMs there are 
> in the world? My guess is there are a *lot* fewer ATMs than computers -- 
> after all, most homes and offices don't have ATMs in them.

That seems reasonable.

Still, I don't care if there are 8 trillion ATMs. They're still not 
workstations.

David Fritzinger wrote:
> In article <vw01e.11100$ZB6.1367@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
>  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > "TravelinMan" <Nowhere@spamfree.com> wrote in message
> > news:Nowhere-29C421.20222918032005@news.central.cox.net...
> > > In article
<1111194543.946404.302660@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> TravelinMan wrote:
> > >> > In article
<1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> >  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > LawsonE wrote:
> > >> > > > "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
> > >> > > >
news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which
type
> > >> of
> > >> > > > > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.
The
> > >> > > obvious
> > >> > > > > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses,
so she
> > >> > > wouldn't
> > >> > > > > have to learn two different computer systems.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she
wants
> > >> to
> > >> > > be a
> > >> > > > computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2
different
> > >> computer
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > systems when young might be better for her than
standardizing on
> > >> just
> > >> > > one.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I stand by my answer.
> > >> >
> > >> > Of COURSE you do. You stand by all your answers - no matter
how many
> > >> > times they're discredited.
> > >>
> > >> You're confusing me with Joe Ragosta.   I admit to errors if
they can
> > >> be proven to me.
> > >
> > > ROTFLMAO. You should probably consider a career as a comedian.
After
> > > all, you might as well get paid for it.
> >
> > Thanks.   And you ought to consider a career change that would
allow you to
> > fully use your 'skill set,' such as being a hat rack or a crash
dummy...
> >
> > >>
> > >> > Did you get anyone to explain to you that ATMs are not
workstations,
> > >> yet?
> > >>
> > >> Again you confuse me with Joe Ragosta... have you met him?
> > >
> > > Of course. I'm the one who keeps pointing out how silly it was
for you
> > > to claim that ATMs are workstations.
> >
> > I never made that claim.
>
> Edwin, you made a claim that was damned close to it, if not that
> exactly,

Nope.

> when you were trying to defend your claim that 830 million
> workstations were sold in the first half of 2004.

I never claimed any such thing.
 
> -- 
> Dave Fritzinger

In article <1111891722.655243.262520@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
 "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:

> David Fritzinger wrote:
> > In article <vw01e.11100$ZB6.1367@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
> >  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "TravelinMan" <Nowhere@spamfree.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Nowhere-29C421.20222918032005@news.central.cox.net...
> > > > In article
> <1111194543.946404.302660@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> TravelinMan wrote:
> > > >> > In article
> <1111191852.768202.302940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > >> >  "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > LawsonE wrote:
> > > >> > > > "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > >> > > >
> news:1111011303.734444.195540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > The OP was only a troll, but the question posed is which
> type
> > > >> of
> > > >> > > > > computer is best for a 13 year old girl's school work.
> The
> > > >> > > obvious
> > > >> > > > > answer is the same type of computer as the school uses,
> so she
> > > >> > > wouldn't
> > > >> > > > > have to learn two different computer systems.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Actually, that might not be the best response. Suppose she
> wants
> > > >> to
> > > >> > > be a
> > > >> > > > computer geek when she grows up? Learning to use 2
> different
> > > >> computer
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > systems when young might be better for her than
> standardizing on
> > > >> just
> > > >> > > one.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I stand by my answer.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Of COURSE you do. You stand by all your answers - no matter
> how many
> > > >> > times they're discredited.
> > > >>
> > > >> You're confusing me with Joe Ragosta.   I admit to errors if
> they can
> > > >> be proven to me.
> > > >
> > > > ROTFLMAO. You should probably consider a career as a comedian.
> After
> > > > all, you might as well get paid for it.
> > >
> > > Thanks.   And you ought to consider a career change that would
> allow you to
> > > fully use your 'skill set,' such as being a hat rack or a crash
> dummy...
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> > Did you get anyone to explain to you that ATMs are not
> workstations,
> > > >> yet?
> > > >>
> > > >> Again you confuse me with Joe Ragosta... have you met him?
> > > >
> > > > Of course. I'm the one who keeps pointing out how silly it was
> for you
> > > > to claim that ATMs are workstations.
> > >
> > > I never made that claim.
> >
> > Edwin, you made a claim that was damned close to it, if not that
> > exactly,
> 
> Nope.
> 
> > when you were trying to defend your claim that 830 million
> > workstations were sold in the first half of 2004.
> 
> I never claimed any such thing.

Really? What do you call what you did when you suggested that ATMs might 
have made your ridiculous number true?

-- 
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

cwocwocwo@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm a 13 year old girl. I need to buy a computer for school work.
>
> I'm just wondering which one is best?
> Linux, windows or a mac?

A sparc + solaris!