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Fiorina, stars outline HP entertainment plans


By John K. Waters





A succession of surprise celebrity appearances and a spate of dramatic
announcements kept Consumer Electronics Show (CES) attendees on the edges
of their seats during Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina's keynote
presentation late last week. Speaking before a packed Hilton Theater in Las
Vegas, Fiorina unveiled a new digital music player, revealed an online
music alliance with Apple Computer, and weighed in on the online music
piracy debate.


Faced with flagging PC sales, computer industry heavyweights like HP, Intel
and others are pushing aggressively into digital entertainment. Fiorina's
presentation underscored her company's move into this market with products
designed to provide customers with new and/or more efficient tools for
managing their increasingly unwieldy collections of digital songs, videos
and photos -- and to reduce the number of devices consumers need to do it.
"We don't believe the revolution is a shoot-out in gadget land," Fiorina
told her audience. "We are focused today on creating a new class of system
that will enable you to do anything you want with your digital content from
anywhere in the home. We are, in essence, building the data center for the
consumer."


The heart of the Fiorina data center is HP's Digital Entertainment System,
essentially a home media server, which is designed to serve as a central
repository and access point for digital music, photos, videos and movies.
The system includes a hub, digital displays, projectors, music players and
handhelds, and involves partnerships with content companies. HP promises to
ship the system sometime this fall. Fiorina also ticked off some upcoming
product releases, including new 30-inch LCD and 42-inch plasma digital
displays, due in June, and a new line of digital projectors. The company
expects to begin supporting Microsoft's Media Center Extender technology
(which Microsoft chairman Bill Gates announced at CES), and plans to add
remote control functionality to its iPaq handheld computers. The beefed-up
iPaqs could then also serve as access points for digital content.


"The digital revolution is about technology that is there for us when we
want it to work and how we want it to work," Fiorina proclaimed. "And that
reality is there now." The news that HP would be putting its name on music
players based on Apple's iPod technology drew a few gasps from the crowd.
The agreement calls for HP to begin shipping a branded music player this
summer that even resembles Apple's portable MP3 player.


"I think everyone here would agree that Apple has done a great job with the
iPod, iTunes software and iTunes Music Store," Fiorina said, pointing to
Apple's impressive, though short, track record as a purveyor of digital
music. The agreement, she said, represents recognition of that success, and
a response to a large and growing demand for downloadable digital music.
She cited internal HP research that found that more than 54% of current HP
consumers download music to their PCs.


Apple CEO Steve Jobs made his own iPod announcement earlier in the week at
the Macworld show in San Francisco, when he unveiled the new iPod Mini.


HP is also expected to ship its Pavilion, Media Center, and Compaq Presario
lines of desktop and notebook computers with pre-installed versions of
Apple's iTunes jukebox software, as well as an icon that links users with
the iTunes online music store. "We think it's a good deal for everyone,"
Fiorina said, "for HP, for Apple and for consumers." On the issue of
content piracy, Fiorina declared HP's intention to "take a stand for what's
right" by implementing technologies in her company's products that protect
content copyrights. "It's illegal and there are things we as a computing
company can do to prevent it," Fiorina said.


Among those things, Fiorina said, is HP's intention to begin utilizing
encryption technologies in its products.


Fiorina gave Interscope Records chairman Jimmy Iovine a substantial turn at
the mike during this portion of her presentation. Iovine lauded HP for its
stand against piracy, blasted those who copy and share music without paying
for it -- some of whom his company is suing -- and predicted major support
from his industry for consumer electronics companies that take steps to
protect the rights of recording artists. Iovine then called to the stage U2
guitarist The Edge, rocker Sheryl Crow, country singer Toby Keith, hip-hop
music legend Dr. Dre and others who stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Fiorina
-- literally and figuratively -- to admonish consumer electronics companies
to make products that protect the rights of content owners.


That striking display was followed by a live, two-song concert appearance
by singer Alicia Keys, who also expressed her support of HP's efforts. And
that was followed by an appearance by actor Ben Affleck, and his partner in
Project Greenlight, Chris Moore. (Matt Damon is also a partner, but could
not attend the keynote.) Project Greenlight is something of a talent search
for movie projects, which are then funded and guided to completion. HP is a
sponsor of the latest search, and Affleck lauded Fiorina for her company's
participation in the project and its stance on content owner rights.


Early in her presentation, Fiorina set a light tone with a video clip
featuring Carson Kressley from TV's "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy," who
arrives to help an electronically challenged guy (played by "The Daily
Show" correspondent Rob Corddry) with a technology makeover. The crowd
loved the send-up of the popular show, which ended, of course, with
Corddry's hodgepodge of home electronics gear and media integrated and
organized with HP products.


For CES -- and even for Las Vegas -- it was a star-studded keynote.

Copyright 2003 101communications LLC.

In article <OFC9A649A6.0504AABE-ON85256E1A.00517BDB-85256E1A.0052495F@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:

> A succession of surprise celebrity appearances and a spate of dramatic
> announcements kept Consumer Electronics Show (CES) attendees on the edges
> of their seats during Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina's keynote
> presentation late last week. Speaking before a packed Hilton Theater in Las
> Vegas, Fiorina unveiled a new digital music player, revealed an online
> music alliance with Apple Computer, and weighed in on the online music
> piracy debate.

   HP should license more technology from Apple.  Like a better GUI than
   any they're selling now.

In article <nB21ceC0oeiu@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
>In article <OFC9A649A6.0504AABE-ON85256E1A.00517BDB-85256E1A.0052495F@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:
>
>> A succession of surprise celebrity appearances and a spate of dramatic
>> announcements kept Consumer Electronics Show (CES) attendees on the edges
>> of their seats during Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina's keynote
>> presentation late last week. Speaking before a packed Hilton Theater in Las
>> Vegas, Fiorina unveiled a new digital music player, revealed an online
>> music alliance with Apple Computer, and weighed in on the online music
>> piracy debate.
>
>   HP should license more technology from Apple.  Like a better GUI than
>   any they're selling now.


.... and instead of dicking with Itanicum, they should port VMS to the Power
PC.  Then Apple could license it for OS 11 (Oh, the return of the 11) and a
great GUI atop and we'd finally have VMS running on a quality bit of laptop
hardware. 
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:42:11 UTC,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:

> In article <nB21ceC0oeiu@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
> >In article <OFC9A649A6.0504AABE-ON85256E1A.00517BDB-85256E1A.0052495F@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:
> >
> >> A succession of surprise celebrity appearances and a spate of dramatic
> >> announcements kept Consumer Electronics Show (CES) attendees on the edges
> >> of their seats during Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina's keynote
> >> presentation late last week. Speaking before a packed Hilton Theater in Las
> >> Vegas, Fiorina unveiled a new digital music player, revealed an online
> >> music alliance with Apple Computer, and weighed in on the online music
> >> piracy debate.
> >
> >   HP should license more technology from Apple.  Like a better GUI than
> >   any they're selling now.
> 
> 
> ... and instead of dicking with Itanicum, they should port VMS to the Power
> PC.  Then Apple could license it for OS 11 (Oh, the return of the 11) and a
> great GUI atop and we'd finally have VMS running on a quality bit of laptop
> hardware. 

Serious q. Does anybody know whether the PowerPC can operate 
little-endian?

-- 
Cheers - Dave.

In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-u4VCogKy6ndn@localhost>, "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes:
> 
> Serious q. Does anybody know whether the PowerPC can operate 
> little-endian?

   Yes.  PowerPC is bi-endian.  IBM had OS/2 running on it in little
   endian mode, possibly WNT too.

Bob Koehler wrote:
> In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-u4VCogKy6ndn@localhost>, "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes:
> 
>>Serious q. Does anybody know whether the PowerPC can operate 
>>little-endian?
> 
> 
>    Yes.  PowerPC is bi-endian.  IBM had OS/2 running on it in little
>    endian mode, possibly WNT too.

WNT was available but never took off and was dropped.

PowerPC was bi-endian, AIX is big-endian and WNT was
little-endian. There are significant issues with
porting WNT to big-endian processors.

Because of this it is aledged that SPARC became
bi-endian to accomodate Intergraph who were doing
a WNT port to SPARC.

Regards
Andrew Harrison

In article <bu3nd8$p3e$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:
> 
> Because of this it is aledged that SPARC became
> bi-endian to accomodate Intergraph who were doing
> a WNT port to SPARC.

   HP also announced bi-endian chips for HP-PARC, at about the right
   time to consider doing a WNT port, but nobody ever heard of them
   even starting on a WNT port.

   Does anyone know of a system actually using HP-PARC in little-endian
   mode?

Bob Koehler said the following on 1/14/2004 10:16 AM:

> In article <bu3nd8$p3e$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:
> 
>>Because of this it is aledged that SPARC became
>>bi-endian to accomodate Intergraph who were doing
>>a WNT port to SPARC.
> 
> 
>    HP also announced bi-endian chips for HP-PARC, at about the right
>    time to consider doing a WNT port, but nobody ever heard of them
>    even starting on a WNT port.
> 
>    Does anyone know of a system actually using HP-PARC in little-endian
>    mode?
> 

I assume you're talking about PA-RISC here.

If that's the case, there was an NT port to PA-RISC, but it was
never productized.

- Greg
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In article <100b2n1lp6kdua9@corp.supernews.com>, Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> writes:
> 
> I assume you're talking about PA-RISC here.

   HP used to talk about HP-PARC and PA-RISC, but always made them sound
   the same.  I always assumed they only had one RISC architecture
   back then, but two different names for two slightly different
   aspects.

   Does anyone know what the real meaning/difference is of HP-PARC and
   PA-RISC?

Bob Koehler said the following on 1/14/2004 1:48 PM:

> In article <100b2n1lp6kdua9@corp.supernews.com>, Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> writes:
> 
>>I assume you're talking about PA-RISC here.
> 
> 
>    HP used to talk about HP-PARC and PA-RISC, but always made them sound
>    the same.  I always assumed they only had one RISC architecture
>    back then, but two different names for two slightly different
>    aspects.
> 
>    Does anyone know what the real meaning/difference is of HP-PARC and
>    PA-RISC?

I've worked with and for HP since the late 80s, and have never heard of
"HP-PARC". A Google search brings up a few hits, but they are
all obvious typos or errors. An internal search of HP's intranet
reveals no hits.

- Greg
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gregc at gregcagle dot com

If I had to guess, I would guess that "HP-PARC" was some cnfused typo
for HP-PA.  When PA-RISC first shipped back in 1987 or so, RISC was
still thought to be, well, "risky" so it was decided to call it HP
Precision Architecture (aka HP-PA).  Once the world was comfortable
with RISC, it was OK to start calling it PA-RISC.

Or at least that is my recollection of the history before my arrival
in '88.

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In article <100bhi3tik2po18@corp.supernews.com>, Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> writes:
> 
> I've worked with and for HP since the late 80s, and have never heard of
> "HP-PARC". A Google search brings up a few hits, but they are
> all obvious typos or errors. An internal search of HP's intranet
> reveals no hits.

   That could be like looking for PDP-8 at DEC/Compaq/HP sites.  It's been 
   a long time since I saw the HP-PARC name.

In article <100bhi3tik2po18@corp.supernews.com>,
	Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> writes:
> Bob Koehler said the following on 1/14/2004 1:48 PM:
> 
>> In article <100b2n1lp6kdua9@corp.supernews.com>, Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> writes:
>> 
>>>I assume you're talking about PA-RISC here.
>> 
>> 
>>    HP used to talk about HP-PARC and PA-RISC, but always made them sound
>>    the same.  I always assumed they only had one RISC architecture
>>    back then, but two different names for two slightly different
>>    aspects.
>> 
>>    Does anyone know what the real meaning/difference is of HP-PARC and
>>    PA-RISC?
> 
> I've worked with and for HP since the late 80s, and have never heard of
> "HP-PARC". A Google search brings up a few hits, but they are
> all obvious typos or errors. An internal search of HP's intranet
> reveals no hits.

I always thought that HP-PARC stood for tht Hewlett Packard - Palo Alto
Research Center.  In a report on Venture Capital I find the line:
    "Few anchor companies or organizations (eg. HP-PARC, Stanford)"

But I could be wrong.......  :-)

bill

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:09:30 UTC, 
koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:

> In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-u4VCogKy6ndn@localhost>, "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes:
> > 
> > Serious q. Does anybody know whether the PowerPC can operate 
> > little-endian?
> 
>    Yes.  PowerPC is bi-endian.  IBM had OS/2 running on it in little
>    endian mode, possibly WNT too.

Hm! Excellent. Then I second Brian's motion nominating it as the next 
VMS port target :-)

Food for thought elswehere too.

-- 
Cheers - Dave.

Dave Weatherall wrote:
> >    Yes.  PowerPC is bi-endian.  IBM had OS/2 running on it in little
> >    endian mode, possibly WNT too.
> 
> Hm! Excellent. Then I second Brian's motion nominating it as the next
> VMS port target :-)


Tough call. Power does offer the best of both worlds, but having the Power
chips provide the big enterprise features, and PowerPC provide the low cost
desktop and small server market.

Could the VMS engineers make VMS run on Apple hardware (PowerPC) for
workstation and low end systems , while having it run on Power systems from
IBM for the large scale stuff ?

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article <100bhi3tik2po18@corp.supernews.com>,
> 	Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> writes:
> 
>>Bob Koehler said the following on 1/14/2004 1:48 PM:
>>
>>
>>>In article <100b2n1lp6kdua9@corp.supernews.com>, Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I assume you're talking about PA-RISC here.
>>>
>>>
>>>   HP used to talk about HP-PARC and PA-RISC, but always made them sound
>>>   the same.  I always assumed they only had one RISC architecture
>>>   back then, but two different names for two slightly different
>>>   aspects.
>>>
>>>   Does anyone know what the real meaning/difference is of HP-PARC and
>>>   PA-RISC?
>>
>>I've worked with and for HP since the late 80s, and have never heard of
>>"HP-PARC". A Google search brings up a few hits, but they are
>>all obvious typos or errors. An internal search of HP's intranet
>>reveals no hits.
> 
> 
> I always thought that HP-PARC stood for tht Hewlett Packard - Palo Alto
> Research Center.  In a report on Venture Capital I find the line:
>     "Few anchor companies or organizations (eg. HP-PARC, Stanford)"
> 

Wasn't that Xerox

Regards
Andrew Harrison
> But I could be wrong.......  :-)
> 
> bill
> 

In article <bu8f8v$f1o$6@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:
>Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> 
>> I always thought that HP-PARC stood for tht Hewlett Packard - Palo Alto
>> Research Center.  In a report on Venture Capital I find the line:
>>     "Few anchor companies or organizations (eg. HP-PARC, Stanford)"
>> 
>
>Wasn't that Xerox

There's more than one Palo Alto research center.  Xerox PARC is the famous
one.  Digital called theirs WRL; HP's got HP Labs up on Deer Creek Road.

-- Alan

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In article <bu8f8v$f1o$6@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>,
	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:
> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> 
>> I always thought that HP-PARC stood for tht Hewlett Packard - Palo Alto
>> Research Center.  In a report on Venture Capital I find the line:
>>     "Few anchor companies or organizations (eg. HP-PARC, Stanford)"
>> 
> 
> Wasn't that Xerox
> 

Xerox had a "PARC" as well, and consdering that Palo Alto was called
Silicon Valley I would imagine most of the major players at that time
had research facilities there.

bill

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Bill Gunshannon said the following on 1/16/2004 10:30 AM:

> In article <bu8f8v$f1o$6@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>,
> 	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:
> 
>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>
>>>I always thought that HP-PARC stood for tht Hewlett Packard - Palo Alto
>>>Research Center.  In a report on Venture Capital I find the line:
>>>    "Few anchor companies or organizations (eg. HP-PARC, Stanford)"
>>>
>>
>>Wasn't that Xerox
>>
> 
> 
> Xerox had a "PARC" as well, and consdering that Palo Alto was called
> Silicon Valley I would imagine most of the major players at that time
> had research facilities there.

Bill - if it's this report you saw:

http://www.vic-ikp.info/Venture%20Capital%20Database.pdf

then you misquoted it - there's a comma between "HP" and "PARC":

"Few anchor companies or organizations (e.g. HP, PARC, Stanford)."

HP's research facilities have always been called HP Labs.

- Greg
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In article <100gcdelovk8dc@corp.supernews.com>,
	Greg Cagle <news@removethisgregcagle.com> writes:
> Bill Gunshannon said the following on 1/16/2004 10:30 AM:
> 
>> In article <bu8f8v$f1o$6@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>,
>> 	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:
>> 
>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>
>>>>I always thought that HP-PARC stood for tht Hewlett Packard - Palo Alto
>>>>Research Center.  In a report on Venture Capital I find the line:
>>>>    "Few anchor companies or organizations (eg. HP-PARC, Stanford)"
>>>>
>>>
>>>Wasn't that Xerox
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> Xerox had a "PARC" as well, and consdering that Palo Alto was called
>> Silicon Valley I would imagine most of the major players at that time
>> had research facilities there.
> 
> Bill - if it's this report you saw:
> 
> http://www.vic-ikp.info/Venture%20Capital%20Database.pdf
> 
> then you misquoted it - there's a comma between "HP" and "PARC":
> 
> "Few anchor companies or organizations (e.g. HP, PARC, Stanford)."
> 
> HP's research facilities have always been called HP Labs.
> 

Well, I did say I could be wrong.  Probably need new glasses.  :-)

But I did think I vaguely remembered HP have something called PARC
just like Xerox.

bill

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bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:

> But I did think I vaguely remembered HP have something called PARC
> just like Xerox.

HP Research Labs, Palo Alto. Look in the old DECUS atendee list
and you will find several well known names from there. They
used to have a shed load of 780s for one thing.

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