See the you tube link from The UK (and ?) Renault Megane ad.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rTthvxpzNDM
'I would never get a computer' 11-13 seconds into the ad.
P

paul_hansford@o2.co.uk wrote:
> See the you tube link from The UK (and ?) Renault Megane ad.
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rTthvxpzNDM
> 'I would never get a computer' 11-13 seconds into the ad.
> P


In the center it looks like a MVII or 11/73 or 11/83 with the RA disk on 
top and the one to the left does look like the 11/750...

In article <f2ebc10e-cccf-4835-a5ad-4bbd22ed11d1@n10g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, paul_hansford@o2.co.uk writes:
> See the you tube link from The UK (and ?) Renault Megane ad.
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rTthvxpzNDM
> 'I would never get a computer' 11-13 seconds into the ad.
> P

   I think so.  But I can't tell if that's a tell-tale TU58 cartridge
   in the middle or just the |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo.  Looks like an
   MV II mounted in the rack next to it, with a TK50 on it's left
   end.

   Looks like some kind of disk platter canister on top of the center
   cabinet behind an acoustic couple modem.  Looks like DEC 9-track
   drives in the background on that shot.

   Other than those two cabinets and the tape drives behind them,
   everything else looks non-DEC.  But it's hard to be sure.

   In any case those two are clearly DEC cabinets with DEC stuff in them.

No, I'm just happy to see you.

Michael Austin wrote:

>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rTthvxpzNDM

> In the center it looks like a MVII or 11/73 or 11/83 with the RA disk on 
> top and the one to the left does look like the 11/750...

On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on the
top of the cabinet ?


In terms of the cabinet directly behind the guy, it is NOT a microvax
II.  It lacks the princess-lea ears on both sides of the cabinet (the
air vents), the separator bar below the top RA drive has some gizmo on
its left which the all mighty Microvax II doesn'T have, and the top ba23
rack is definitely not an MVII.

The botton BA23 is also not an MVII. For the MVIIs, the bottom unit has
a control panel on the right side, and the removable panels on the left.
On the picture, it lacks the control panel.

On 3 Dec, 01:27, Michael Austin <maus...@firstdbasource.com> wrote:
> paul_hansf...@o2.co.uk wrote:
> > See the you tube link from The UK (and ?) Renault Megane ad.
> >http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rTthvxpzNDM
> > 'I would never get a computer' 11-13 seconds into the ad.
> > P
>
> In the center it looks like a MVII or 11/73 or 11/83 with the RA disk on
> top and the one to the left does look like the 11/750...

I saw the advert very quickly when I was on site at the weekend and I
thought it was a rack of disks, tapes and MVII.  Haven't looked at the
youtube version of it yet though.

JF Mezei skrev:
> Michael Austin wrote:
> 
>>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rTthvxpzNDM
> 
>> In the center it looks like a MVII or 11/73 or 11/83 with the RA disk on 
>> top and the one to the left does look like the 11/750...
> 
> On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on the
> top of the cabinet ?

The 11/730 is much smaller than a 11/750. It's not a whole cabinet on it's own. 
No, that got to be an 11/750.
The center cab is a bit more difficult.

Top and bottom are RA or RL drives.
Hard to tell which. But I suspect RL drives, since RA drives have more buttons 
and lamps than these drives seem to have.

It could actually be an 11/730 system you know. The 11/730 had this very special 
combo controller which could control one R80 (that's right, R80, not RA80) and 
one RL02. And the size matches the 11/730 as well. It's just too damn difficult 
to say for sure from those pictures.

It's definitely not a uVAX, though.

	Johnny

-- 
Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
                                   ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt@softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

On 3 dec, 20:05, Johnny Billquist <b...@update.uu.se> wrote:
> JF Mezei skrev:
>
> > Michael Austin wrote:
>
> >>>http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3DrTthvxpzNDM
>
> >> In the center it looks like a MVII or 11/73 or 11/83 with the RA disk =
on
> >> top and the one to the left does look like the 11/750...
>
> > On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on th=
e
> > top of the cabinet ?
>
> The 11/730 is much smaller than a 11/750. It's not a whole cabinet on it'=
s own.
> No, that got to be an 11/750.
> The center cab is a bit more difficult.
>
> Top and bottom are RA or RL drives.
> Hard to tell which. But I suspect RL drives, since RA drives have more bu=
ttons
> and lamps than these drives seem to have.
>
> It could actually be an 11/730 system you know. The 11/730 had this very =
special
> combo controller which could control one R80 (that's right, R80, not RA80=
) and
> one RL02. And the size matches the 11/730 as well. It's just too damn dif=
ficult
> to say for sure from those pictures.
>
> It's definitely not a uVAX, though.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Johnny
>
> --
> Johnny Billquist =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0|| "I'm on a bus
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0||=
 =A0on a psychedelic trip
> email: b...@softjar.se =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 || =A0Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 || =A0tryin' to sta=
y hip" - B. Idol

RL01's, top and bottom.

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:05:02 UTC, Johnny Billquist <bqt@update.uu.se> 
wrote:

> > On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on the
> > top of the cabinet ?
> 
> The 11/730 is much smaller than a 11/750. It's not a whole cabinet on it's own. 
> No, that got to be an 11/750.

I agree. Pretty sure it's an 11/750.

> The center cab is a bit more difficult.
> 
> Top and bottom are RA or RL drives.
> Hard to tell which. But I suspect RL drives, since RA drives have more buttons 
> and lamps than these drives seem to have.

Yup...looks like RLs to me (and I have a couple in the workshop 
downstairs to compare!)

What's in the middle of that right hand cabinet? Looks like the front of
an 11/03 or 11/23, both much the same apart from the lettering. Looks 
very like the 11/03 front panel I have.

-- 
Bob Eager

In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
> 
> On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on the
> top of the cabinet ?

   The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet. 
   http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.htm

   The box in the picture looks more like an 11/750, I don't recall
   any blue bands. 
   http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1980-4.htm
 

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:10:33 UTC, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org
(Bob Koehler) wrote:

> In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
> > 
> > On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on the
> > top of the cabinet ?
> 
>    The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet. 
>    http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.htm
> 
>    The box in the picture looks more like an 11/750, I don't recall
>    any blue bands. 
>    http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1980-4.htm

I don't recall any blue bands either...we only had one 11/750 and it was
a very early one.

-- 
Bob Eager

Bob Eager wrote:

> I don't recall any blue bands either...we only had one 11/750 and it was
> a very early one.

OK, perhaps the blue bands was on the 780 cabinet.

Bob Eager skrev:
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:05:02 UTC, Johnny Billquist <bqt@update.uu.se> 
> wrote:
> 
>>> On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on the
>>> top of the cabinet ?
>> The 11/730 is much smaller than a 11/750. It's not a whole cabinet on it's own. 
>> No, that got to be an 11/750.
> 
> I agree. Pretty sure it's an 11/750.
> 
>> The center cab is a bit more difficult.
>>
>> Top and bottom are RA or RL drives.
>> Hard to tell which. But I suspect RL drives, since RA drives have more buttons 
>> and lamps than these drives seem to have.
> 
> Yup...looks like RLs to me (and I have a couple in the workshop 
> downstairs to compare!)

Apart from the fact that the RA drives have a few more lamps and buttons, they 
look just the same from the front as RL drives.
I can't remember offhand how the R80 looked like. It might be even more looking 
like the RL drives.

> What's in the middle of that right hand cabinet? Looks like the front of
> an 11/03 or 11/23, both much the same apart from the lettering. Looks 
> very like the 11/03 front panel I have.

The 11/730 looked something like that as well, and I'd rather suspect it was one 
of those.

In fact, it don't really look like an 11/03 or 11/23. They had a nameplate on 
the left hand, if anything at all. The few switches and other markings were at 
the right hand side.

	Johnny

-- 
Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
                                   ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt@softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

Bob Koehler skrev:
> In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>> On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on the
>> top of the cabinet ?
> 
>    The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet. 
>    http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.htm

Hey, thanks. I now realize that I'm thinking of the 11/725...

>    The box in the picture looks more like an 11/750, I don't recall
>    any blue bands. 
>    http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1980-4.htm

I think we can all agree on that that's an 11/750 then. :-)

Looking a bit more at RA81 drives also makes me sure that that's not what's in 
the picture. RL01 or RL02 drives (I doubt anyone can tell the difference from 
that video, since the only difference between the is the text "RL01" or "RL02").

	Johnny

-- 
Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
                                   ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt@softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

On 2008-12-03, Johnny Billquist <bqt@update.uu.se> wrote:
> Apart from the fact that the RA drives have a few more lamps and buttons, 
> they look just the same from the front as RL drives.> I can't remember 
> offhand how the R80 looked like. It might be even more looking 
> like the RL drives.

As I recall (spent many years with an 11/730), the R80 had a couple of
lights/buttons in the top left corner of the front panel, some "R80"
text at the top right, and the front panel was otherwise blank and flat;
it didn't have the handle along the front an RL has for pulling the
drive out.

The /730 was a rackmount box about the size of the RL with a black front
(where the air filters lived) and a TU58 in (IIRC) one of the top
corners. The other TU58 was internal.

The machine in the ad looks like a /750 to me too.

The thing in the center of the drive rack looks to me like a third-party
hard disk box similar to the sort I've seen Fuji Eagles in. But when
it's behind the guy, it looks like it has a DEC nameplate on it, so I'm
probably wrong about that.

The terminal the fellow types at (on the left of the screen in the long
shot) looks to me like a Tek 4102, a fairly nice color graphics terminal.

The thing to the right of the drive cabinet in the long shot looks to me
like a card reader similar to ones USU had attached to their /780s.
-- 
roger ivie
rivie@ridgenet.net

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:24:08 UTC, Johnny Billquist <bqt@update.uu.se> 
wrote:

> In fact, it don't really look like an 11/03 or 11/23. They had a nameplate on 
> the left hand, if anything at all. The few switches and other markings were at 
> the right hand side.

My 11/03 has an embossed logo and "11/03" on it, which is the same 
colour as the rest of the panel (just plastic moulding). So it probbaly 
wouldn't show up on the video. But, as you say, probably an 11/730.

I just found a picture of our 8800 and two 8200s, and was amazed to see 
our old 780 still in the background - didn't think we'd kept it that 
long!
-- 
Bob Eager

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:20:21 UTC, JF Mezei 
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Bob Eager wrote:
> 
> > I don't recall any blue bands either...we only had one 11/750 and it was
> > a very early one.
> 
> OK, perhaps the blue bands was on the 780 cabinet.

They certainly had them.
-- 
Bob Eager

Bob Eager wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:24:08 UTC, Johnny Billquist <bqt@update.uu.se> 
> wrote:
> 
>> In fact, it don't really look like an 11/03 or 11/23. They had a nameplate on 
>> the left hand, if anything at all. The few switches and other markings were at 
>> the right hand side.
> 
> My 11/03 has an embossed logo and "11/03" on it, which is the same 
> colour as the rest of the panel (just plastic moulding). So it probbaly 
> wouldn't show up on the video. But, as you say, probably an 11/730.
> 
> I just found a picture of our 8800 and two 8200s, and was amazed to see 
> our old 780 still in the background - didn't think we'd kept it that 
> long!

The 11/780 was built like a tank!  You should be able to run one for as 
long as you can afford the power, cooling, etc.

Does anyone know if the "Irish Railways" still have their VAX Cluster up 
and running?

In article <gh6q92$m8u$2@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <bqt@update.uu.se> writes:
> Bob Koehler skrev:
>> In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>>> On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on the
>>> top of the cabinet ?
>> 
>>    The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet. 
>>    http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.htm
> 
> Hey, thanks. I now realize that I'm thinking of the 11/725...
> 
   All the 11/725 pictures I can find have cabinets that are about the
   same size as a BA123, but are clearly not BA123.  Still no blue
   band.

   http://hampage.hu/vax/kepek/11725.jpg

   Maybe somebody painted a stripe on one of your VAXen?  I've seen the
   row of orange VAXen.

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:12:16 UTC, "Richard B. Gilbert" 
<rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:

> Bob Eager wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:24:08 UTC, Johnny Billquist <bqt@update.uu.se> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> In fact, it don't really look like an 11/03 or 11/23. They had a nameplate on 
> >> the left hand, if anything at all. The few switches and other markings were at 
> >> the right hand side.
> > 
> > My 11/03 has an embossed logo and "11/03" on it, which is the same 
> > colour as the rest of the panel (just plastic moulding). So it probbaly 
> > wouldn't show up on the video. But, as you say, probably an 11/730.
> > 
> > I just found a picture of our 8800 and two 8200s, and was amazed to see 
> > our old 780 still in the background - didn't think we'd kept it that 
> > long!
> 
> The 11/780 was built like a tank!  You should be able to run one for as 
> long as you can afford the power, cooling, etc.

At the time, I would have expected the cost of DEC maintenance to be the
deciding factor...

-- 
Bob Eager

On 3 dec, 22:59, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
wrote:
> In article <gh6q92$m8...@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <b...@upda=
te.uu.se> writes:
> > Bob Koehler skrev:
> >> In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfm=
ezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> writes:
> >>> On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on =
the
> >>> top of the cabinet ?
>
> >> =A0 =A0The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet.
> >> =A0 =A0http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.ht=
m
>
> > Hey, thanks. I now realize that I'm thinking of the 11/725...
>
> =A0 =A0All the 11/725 pictures I can find have cabinets that are about th=
e
> =A0 =A0same size as a BA123, but are clearly not BA123. =A0Still no blue
> =A0 =A0band.
>
> =A0 =A0http://hampage.hu/vax/kepek/11725.jpg
>
> =A0 =A0Maybe somebody painted a stripe on one of your VAXen? =A0I've seen=
 the
> =A0 =A0row of orange VAXen.

Blue was the standard color for the stripe on the VAX 11/78x and VAX
86x0 series.
I've never seen a VAX with an orange stripe, always thought that the
PDP-10 or DECsystem 20's used that color.
Hans

On 3 Dec, 21:12, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Bob Eager wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:24:08 UTC, Johnny Billquist <b...@update.uu.se>
> > wrote:
>
> >> In fact, it don't really look like an 11/03 or 11/23. They had a namep=
late on
> >> the left hand, if anything at all. The few switches and other markings=
 were at
> >> the right hand side.
>
> > My 11/03 has an embossed logo and "11/03" on it, which is the same
> > colour as the rest of the panel (just plastic moulding). So it probbaly
> > wouldn't show up on the video. But, as you say, probably an 11/730.
>
> > I just found a picture of our 8800 and two 8200s, and was amazed to see
> > our old 780 still in the background - didn't think we'd kept it that
> > long!
>
> The 11/780 was built like a tank! =A0You should be able to run one for as
> long as you can afford the power, cooling, etc.
>
> Does anyone know if the "Irish Railways" still have their VAX Cluster up
> and running?

Last I heard (and it's about five years ago now) they still had a
VMScluster, but it wasn't a VAXcluster.  Stories about how the systems
in the cluster had been up for years were an exaggeration though.  The
cluster had been around for a long time, but systems within it had
been changed and swapped.

(This was based on conversations between me and one of the IT Managers
at CIE).
Steve

In article <6c964ed8-07a9-4b48-abda-19aecf95f907@y18g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, H Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> writes:
> 
> Blue was the standard color for the stripe on the VAX 11/78x and VAX
> 86x0 series.
> I've never seen a VAX with an orange stripe, always thought that the
> PDP-10 or DECsystem 20's used that color.

   Stripe?  The tops of big early VAXen were blue, and the tops of
   PDP-10 tended to be orange, but I don't remember a stripe.

   We had two PDP-10 in blue top cabinets.

   The orange VAXen were a special order (make that _demand_) from
   a customer tht I first heard about in a DECUS VMS Magic (and
   War Stories) session.  Can you say "your tax dollars at work"?

In article <a9aba944-0ab8-40e7-a71b-a89dda6abce0@r40g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes:
> 
> Last I heard (and it's about five years ago now) they still had a
> VMScluster, but it wasn't a VAXcluster.  Stories about how the systems
> in the cluster had been up for years were an exaggeration though.  The
> cluster had been around for a long time, but systems within it had
> been changed and swapped.

   The specifics I heard was that the cluster and the application
   were up 24*7 for over 17 years, but individual machines came and
   went.

koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:

>   The specifics I heard was that the cluster and the application
>   were up 24*7 for over 17 years, but individual machines came and
>   went.

In other words, the result of f$getsyi("cluster_ftime") on that cluster.
Correct?

etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 3 Dec, 21:12, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:24:08 UTC, Johnny Billquist <b...@update.uu.se>
>>> wrote:
>>>> In fact, it don't really look like an 11/03 or 11/23. They had a nameplate on
>>>> the left hand, if anything at all. The few switches and other markings were at
>>>> the right hand side.
>>> My 11/03 has an embossed logo and "11/03" on it, which is the same
>>> colour as the rest of the panel (just plastic moulding). So it probbaly
>>> wouldn't show up on the video. But, as you say, probably an 11/730.
>>> I just found a picture of our 8800 and two 8200s, and was amazed to see
>>> our old 780 still in the background - didn't think we'd kept it that
>>> long!
>> The 11/780 was built like a tank!  You should be able to run one for as
>> long as you can afford the power, cooling, etc.
>>
>> Does anyone know if the "Irish Railways" still have their VAX Cluster up
>> and running?
> 
> Last I heard (and it's about five years ago now) they still had a
> VMScluster, but it wasn't a VAXcluster.  Stories about how the systems
> in the cluster had been up for years were an exaggeration though.  The
> cluster had been around for a long time, but systems within it had
> been changed and swapped.
> 
> (This was based on conversations between me and one of the IT Managers
> at CIE).
> Steve

I think that the cluster uptime is what counts here.  Sooner or later, 
every machine must be shut down, usually for hardware maintenance or to 
load a SYSGEN parameter that's not dynamic.

If your services are available to your users, does it matter which 
specific machines are providing that service at the moment?

In article <gh8sgn$2ud$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:
> 
> In other words, the result of f$getsyi("cluster_ftime") on that cluster.
> Correct?

   Yes.  But on top of the cluster uptime, that was a pretty reliable
   application that took advantage of it.

On 4 dec, 15:27, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
wrote:
> In article <6c964ed8-07a9-4b48-abda-19aecf95f...@y18g2000yqn.googlegroups=
..com>, H Vlems <hvl...@freenet.de> writes:
>
>
>
> > Blue was the standard color for the stripe on the VAX 11/78x and VAX
> > 86x0 series.
> > I've never seen a VAX with an orange stripe, always thought that the
> > PDP-10 or DECsystem 20's used that color.
>
> =A0 =A0Stripe? =A0The tops of big early VAXen were blue, and the tops of
> =A0 =A0PDP-10 tended to be orange, but I don't remember a stripe.
>
> =A0 =A0We had two PDP-10 in blue top cabinets.
>
> =A0 =A0The orange VAXen were a special order (make that _demand_) from
> =A0 =A0a customer tht I first heard about in a DECUS VMS Magic (and
> =A0 =A0War Stories) session. =A0Can you say "your tax dollars at work"?

Yes, the cover of the system and a band about 6 cms high at the top of
the system were painted blue.

Bob Koehler skrev:
> In article <gh6q92$m8u$2@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <bqt@update.uu.se> writes:
>> Bob Koehler skrev:
>>> In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>>>> On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on the
>>>> top of the cabinet ?
>>>    The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet. 
>>>    http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.htm
>> Hey, thanks. I now realize that I'm thinking of the 11/725...
>>
>    All the 11/725 pictures I can find have cabinets that are about the
>    same size as a BA123, but are clearly not BA123.  Still no blue
>    band.

Hmm. I wonder if we still have our 11/725 aorund, or if we tossed it. It was in 
a normal DEC 19" half-height rack anyway.

>    http://hampage.hu/vax/kepek/11725.jpg

That's not how our 11/725 looked. :-)

>    Maybe somebody painted a stripe on one of your VAXen?  I've seen the
>    row of orange VAXen.

Our 11/750 didn't have any blue band. Our 86x0 machines do. We never had any 
11/78x machines around here, but I've played with them elsewhere and those had 
the band as well.

Hmm, come to think of it, out 8650 have a grey band, I believe. But it's a 
pretty late 8650 I think. Ah, yes... http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/8650_1.jpg

	Johnny

-- 
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                                   ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt@softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

H Vlems skrev:
> On 3 dec, 22:59, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
> wrote:
>> In article <gh6q92$m8...@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <b...@update.uu.se> writes:
>>> Bob Koehler skrev:
>>>> In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> writes:
>>>>> On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on the
>>>>> top of the cabinet ?
>>>>    The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet.
>>>>    http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.htm
>>> Hey, thanks. I now realize that I'm thinking of the 11/725...
>>    All the 11/725 pictures I can find have cabinets that are about the
>>    same size as a BA123, but are clearly not BA123.  Still no blue
>>    band.
>>
>>    http://hampage.hu/vax/kepek/11725.jpg
>>
>>    Maybe somebody painted a stripe on one of your VAXen?  I've seen the
>>    row of orange VAXen.
> 
> Blue was the standard color for the stripe on the VAX 11/78x and VAX
> 86x0 series.
> I've never seen a VAX with an orange stripe, always thought that the
> PDP-10 or DECsystem 20's used that color.
> Hans

Generally DEC-20 systems. DEC-10 used blue as well (but there are exceptions).

And as I just noted, our 8650 have a grey stripe. Our 8600 have a blue one, 
though, unless my memory fails me. (And I don't think I have any pictures online 
of that machine.)

	Johnny

-- 
Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
                                   ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt@softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

On Dec 3, 3:10=A0pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob
Koehler) wrote:
> In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmeze=
i.spam...@vaxination.ca> writes:
>
>
>
> > On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on th=
e
> > top of the cabinet ?
>
> =A0 =A0The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet.
> =A0 =A0http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.htm
>
> =A0 =A0The box in the picture looks more like an 11/750, I don't recall
> =A0 =A0any blue bands.
> =A0 =A0http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1980-4.htm

The video's computer has 3 air inlets and they are very close to the
top of the machine. In the photos Bob gives above, the 750 has three
near the top but the 730 has four and they are a little lower. So it's
certainly not the 11/730!

AEF

On Dec 5, 9:35=A0pm, AEF <spamsink2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 3, 3:10=A0pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob
>
> Koehler) wrote:
> > In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfme=
zei.spam...@vaxination.ca> writes:
>
> > > On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band on =
the
> > > top of the cabinet ?
>
> > =A0 =A0The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet.
> > =A0 =A0http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.htm
>
> > =A0 =A0The box in the picture looks more like an 11/750, I don't recall
> > =A0 =A0any blue bands.
> > =A0 =A0http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1980-4.htm
>
> The video's computer has 3 air inlets and they are very close to the
> top of the machine. In the photos Bob gives above, the 750 has three
> near the top but the 730 has four and they are a little lower. So it's
> certainly not the 11/730!
>
> AEF

Just found yet more evidence that it's the 750 (as if the air inlets
weren't proof enough!):

The 11/750 name plate is slightly below or at the same level as the
white rectangle to its left (some kind of tape?) while on the 11/730
there are two and they are clearly below the 11/730 name plate. In the
picture, the name plate is definitely below the white thing, but it
looks like it's slightly too much below it! It could be a perspective
effect as the reference photo is taken from above while the video is
taken even with the top. This points to the 11/750.

Also, look at the two filled-in white circles at the right in the
video. There is nothing that corresponds to them in the 11/730 photo
but there is in the 11/750 photo.

So if it's one of the two, its definitely the 11/750.

We had an 11/750 in the physics group on which I did my data analysis,
but that was in the second half of the 80's.(That's 20 years ago(!)
and I spent the vast majority of my time in front of a terminal, so my
memory of it is a little fuzzy.) But I do remember the keyhole on the
extreme right.

I'll go with the 11/750.

AEF

Johnny Billquist wrote:
> Bob Koehler skrev:
>> In article <gh6q92$m8u$2@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist 
>> <bqt@update.uu.se> writes:
>>> Bob Koehler skrev:
>>>> In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei 
>>>> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>>>>> On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band 
>>>>> on the
>>>>> top of the cabinet ?
>>>>    The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet.    
>>>> http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.htm
>>> Hey, thanks. I now realize that I'm thinking of the 11/725...
>>>
>>    All the 11/725 pictures I can find have cabinets that are about the
>>    same size as a BA123, but are clearly not BA123.  Still no blue
>>    band.
> 
> Hmm. I wonder if we still have our 11/725 aorund, or if we tossed it. It 
> was in a normal DEC 19" half-height rack anyway.
> 
>>    http://hampage.hu/vax/kepek/11725.jpg
> 
> That's not how our 11/725 looked. :-)
> 
>>    Maybe somebody painted a stripe on one of your VAXen?  I've seen the
>>    row of orange VAXen.
> 
> Our 11/750 didn't have any blue band. Our 86x0 machines do. We never had 
> any 11/78x machines around here, but I've played with them elsewhere and 
> those had the band as well.
> 
> Hmm, come to think of it, out 8650 have a grey band, I believe. But it's 
> a pretty late 8650 I think. Ah, yes... 
> http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/8650_1.jpg
> 
>     Johnny
> 


Having serviced the 750's back in the day, the 750 definitely had a 
BROWN stripe around the top.

True story...
While working as a FS engineer in Dallas (mid-late 80's), was called to 
a site in NorthWest Dallas/Irving area.  This was a 10-12 story building 
and on the inside had an atrium that went all the way to the top.  Each 
floor had glass walls on the atrium side.  Really nice.  After servicing 
the device (a MVII IIRC (stupid TK50's...)) I was looking at the other 
floors.  Two floors below was a huge data center populated with all IBM 
equipment.  As I looked around that room, I noticed on one end 
(furtherest from the door into the room/floor) was a tan box with a dark 
brown stripe around the top.  I asked my customer - so, what's in that 
data center?  He replied it was an IBM research facility to try and make 
all of that Big Blue gear talk to each other.

Can you guess what they were using to accomplish that feat? (Hint: it 
had a brown stripe around the top...)

Michael Austin wrote:
> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> Bob Koehler skrev:
>>> In article <gh6q92$m8u$2@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist 
>>> <bqt@update.uu.se> writes:
>>>> Bob Koehler skrev:
>>>>> In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei 
>>>>> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>>>>>> On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band 
>>>>>> on the
>>>>>> top of the cabinet ?
>>>>>    The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet.    
>>>>> http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.htm
>>>> Hey, thanks. I now realize that I'm thinking of the 11/725...
>>>>
>>>    All the 11/725 pictures I can find have cabinets that are about the
>>>    same size as a BA123, but are clearly not BA123.  Still no blue
>>>    band.
>>
>> Hmm. I wonder if we still have our 11/725 aorund, or if we tossed it. 
>> It was in a normal DEC 19" half-height rack anyway.
>>
>>>    http://hampage.hu/vax/kepek/11725.jpg
>>
>> That's not how our 11/725 looked. :-)
>>
>>>    Maybe somebody painted a stripe on one of your VAXen?  I've seen the
>>>    row of orange VAXen.
>>
>> Our 11/750 didn't have any blue band. Our 86x0 machines do. We never 
>> had any 11/78x machines around here, but I've played with them 
>> elsewhere and those had the band as well.
>>
>> Hmm, come to think of it, out 8650 have a grey band, I believe. But 
>> it's a pretty late 8650 I think. Ah, yes... 
>> http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/8650_1.jpg
>>
>>     Johnny
>>
> 
> 
> Having serviced the 750's back in the day, the 750 definitely had a 
> BROWN stripe around the top.
> 
> True story...
> While working as a FS engineer in Dallas (mid-late 80's), was called to 
> a site in NorthWest Dallas/Irving area.  This was a 10-12 story building 
> and on the inside had an atrium that went all the way to the top.  Each 
> floor had glass walls on the atrium side.  Really nice.  After servicing 
> the device (a MVII IIRC (stupid TK50's...)) I was looking at the other 
> floors.  Two floors below was a huge data center populated with all IBM 
> equipment.  As I looked around that room, I noticed on one end 
> (furtherest from the door into the room/floor) was a tan box with a dark 
> brown stripe around the top.  I asked my customer - so, what's in that 
> data center?  He replied it was an IBM research facility to try and make 
> all of that Big Blue gear talk to each other.
> 
> Can you guess what they were using to accomplish that feat? (Hint: it 
> had a brown stripe around the top...)

Back around 1997-1998 I was working for McGraw-Hill, in Hightstown, NJ.
We were speaking DECnet with a VAX to a piece of IBM equipment.  I guess 
IBM must have figured it out!

On 6 dec, 04:01, Michael Austin <maus...@firstdbasource.com> wrote:
> Johnny Billquist wrote:
> > Bob Koehler skrev:
> >> In article <gh6q92$m8...@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist
> >> <b...@update.uu.se> writes:
> >>> Bob Koehler skrev:
> >>>> In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
> >>>> <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> writes:
> >>>>> On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band
> >>>>> on the
> >>>>> top of the cabinet ?
> >>>> =A0 =A0The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet. =A0 =A0
> >>>>http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.htm
> >>> Hey, thanks. I now realize that I'm thinking of the 11/725...
>
> >> =A0 =A0All the 11/725 pictures I can find have cabinets that are about=
 the
> >> =A0 =A0same size as a BA123, but are clearly not BA123. =A0Still no bl=
ue
> >> =A0 =A0band.
>
> > Hmm. I wonder if we still have our 11/725 aorund, or if we tossed it. I=
t
> > was in a normal DEC 19" half-height rack anyway.
>
> >> =A0 =A0http://hampage.hu/vax/kepek/11725.jpg
>
> > That's not how our 11/725 looked. :-)
>
> >> =A0 =A0Maybe somebody painted a stripe on one of your VAXen? =A0I've s=
een the
> >> =A0 =A0row of orange VAXen.
>
> > Our 11/750 didn't have any blue band. Our 86x0 machines do. We never ha=
d
> > any 11/78x machines around here, but I've played with them elsewhere an=
d
> > those had the band as well.
>
> > Hmm, come to think of it, out 8650 have a grey band, I believe. But it'=
s
> > a pretty late 8650 I think. Ah, yes...
> >http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/8650_1.jpg
>
> > =A0 =A0 Johnny
>
> Having serviced the 750's back in the day, the 750 definitely had a
> BROWN stripe around the top.
>
> True story...
> While working as a FS engineer in Dallas (mid-late 80's), was called to
> a site in NorthWest Dallas/Irving area. =A0This was a 10-12 story buildin=
g
> and on the inside had an atrium that went all the way to the top. =A0Each
> floor had glass walls on the atrium side. =A0Really nice. =A0After servic=
ing
> the device (a MVII IIRC (stupid TK50's...)) I was looking at the other
> floors. =A0Two floors below was a huge data center populated with all IBM
> equipment. =A0As I looked around that room, I noticed on one end
> (furtherest from the door into the room/floor) was a tan box with a dark
> brown stripe around the top. =A0I asked my customer - so, what's in that
> data center? =A0He replied it was an IBM research facility to try and mak=
e
> all of that Big Blue gear talk to each other.
>
> Can you guess what they were using to accomplish that feat? (Hint: it
> had a brown stripe around the top...)- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht n=
iet weergeven -
>
> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

Could you elaborate? Assuming it was a VAX, did it run the SNA package?

Richard B. Gilbert wrote:

> Back around 1997-1998 I was working for McGraw-Hill, in Hightstown, NJ.
> We were speaking DECnet with a VAX to a piece of IBM equipment.  I guess 
> IBM must have figured it out!


Not quite. It was DEC that had figured out how to speak SNA. DEC had the
DECNET-SNA gateways (a couple of different flavours), as well as some
MVS software that provided FAL equivalent to access IBM datasets.

So, from the VMS side, the IBM systems appeared to be DECNET, but it was
because DEC had built the bridge to the IBM world.

H Vlems wrote:
> On 6 dec, 04:01, Michael Austin <maus...@firstdbasource.com> wrote:
>> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> Bob Koehler skrev:
>>>> In article <gh6q92$m8...@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist
>>>> <b...@update.uu.se> writes:
>>>>> Bob Koehler skrev:
>>>>>> In article <0022834b$0$12274$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
>>>>>> <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> writes:
>>>>>>> On the left, could it be a 730 ? Doesn't a 750 have a "Blue" band
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> top of the cabinet ?
>>>>>>    The 11/730 is a narrower cabinet.    
>>>>>> http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1982-1.htm
>>>>> Hey, thanks. I now realize that I'm thinking of the 11/725...
>>>>    All the 11/725 pictures I can find have cabinets that are about the
>>>>    same size as a BA123, but are clearly not BA123.  Still no blue
>>>>    band.
>>> Hmm. I wonder if we still have our 11/725 aorund, or if we tossed it. It
>>> was in a normal DEC 19" half-height rack anyway.
>>>>    http://hampage.hu/vax/kepek/11725.jpg
>>> That's not how our 11/725 looked. :-)
>>>>    Maybe somebody painted a stripe on one of your VAXen?  I've seen the
>>>>    row of orange VAXen.
>>> Our 11/750 didn't have any blue band. Our 86x0 machines do. We never had
>>> any 11/78x machines around here, but I've played with them elsewhere and
>>> those had the band as well.
>>> Hmm, come to think of it, out 8650 have a grey band, I believe. But it's
>>> a pretty late 8650 I think. Ah, yes...
>>> http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/8650_1.jpg
>>>     Johnny
>> Having serviced the 750's back in the day, the 750 definitely had a
>> BROWN stripe around the top.
>>
>> True story...
>> While working as a FS engineer in Dallas (mid-late 80's), was called to
>> a site in NorthWest Dallas/Irving area.  This was a 10-12 story building
>> and on the inside had an atrium that went all the way to the top.  Each
>> floor had glass walls on the atrium side.  Really nice.  After servicing
>> the device (a MVII IIRC (stupid TK50's...)) I was looking at the other
>> floors.  Two floors below was a huge data center populated with all IBM
>> equipment.  As I looked around that room, I noticed on one end
>> (furtherest from the door into the room/floor) was a tan box with a dark
>> brown stripe around the top.  I asked my customer - so, what's in that
>> data center?  He replied it was an IBM research facility to try and make
>> all of that Big Blue gear talk to each other.
>>
>> Can you guess what they were using to accomplish that feat? (Hint: it
>> had a brown stripe around the top...)- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>
>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> 
> Could you elaborate? Assuming it was a VAX, did it run the SNA package?

I would assume so... I was not talking to the IBM folks and never had 
the opportunity to get into that data center to ask...

There was at one time in Europe a system sold by IBM that consisted of - 
I think a 3060, some HP box and a DEC box to make them talk to each other..

AEF <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:

>Just found yet more evidence that it's the 750 (as if the air inlets
>weren't proof enough!):

>The 11/750 name plate is slightly below or at the same level as the
>white rectangle to its left (some kind of tape?) while on the 11/730
>there are two and they are clearly below the 11/730 name plate. In the
>picture, the name plate is definitely below the white thing, but it
>looks like it's slightly too much below it! It could be a perspective
>effect as the reference photo is taken from above while the video is
>taken even with the top. This points to the 11/750.

....

If you want to find out what something looks like, try 
http://images.google.com/ and enter a relevant keyword like "VAX 750".
A side-by-side comparison makes it much easier to figure out what's what,
rather than relying on faded memories.

On Dec 7, 12:02=A0am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
wrote:
> AEF <spamsink2...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >Just found yet more evidence that it's the 750 (as if the air inlets
> >weren't proof enough!):
> >The 11/750 name plate is slightly below or at the same level as the
> >white rectangle to its left (some kind of tape?) while on the 11/730
> >there are two and they are clearly below the 11/730 name plate. In the
> >picture, the name plate is definitely below the white thing, but it
> >looks like it's slightly too much below it! It could be a perspective
> >effect as the reference photo is taken from above while the video is
> >taken even with the top. This points to the 11/750.
>
> ...
>
> If you want to find out what something looks like, tryhttp://images.googl=
e.com/and enter a relevant keyword like "VAX 750".
> A side-by-side comparison makes it much easier to figure out what's what,
> rather than relying on faded memories.

I did both, actually. One of my other posts compares the video with
the pictures posted by Bob. In that posted I counted the number of air
inlets which ruled out the 11/730. Thanks for the images/google
reference, though!

AEF

In article <pUl_k.8810$yr3.1646@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:
> 
> Can you guess what they were using to accomplish that feat? (Hint: it 
> had a brown stripe around the top...)

   There was a time when IBM would tell its customers that the best way
   to get two of thier computers to talk to each other was to put a VAX
   in the middle.  And they would sell and install it.

In article <D8CdneD0FcpHaKTUnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@giganews.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
> 
> Back around 1997-1998 I was working for McGraw-Hill, in Hightstown, NJ.
> We were speaking DECnet with a VAX to a piece of IBM equipment.  I guess 
> IBM must have figured it out!

   We had lots of IBM systems speaking DECnet.  They had a third party
   partner who did it.  Our earliest systems were PDP-11 front ends
   for the IBM mainframes (familiar to any DECSYSTEM-10 or -20
   customers).  Later the vendor moved to a different platform with
   thier own code so they could add TCP/IP and DECnet Phase V (IIRC 
   RSX never got past Phase IV).

   The vendor included EBCDIC - ASCII translation on the fly if you
   told it you were moving text files (it always translated file name
   text),  and you could upload a record description so it would also 
   do IBM binary - VAX binary formats on the fly.