More critical mac os x holes found ...

Considering Mac OS-X is linux, no one should be surprised that holes in linux will also impact OS-X. Linux's security by obscurity is no longer working. Mike Ober. <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message news:1145638745.524374.302550@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > they are slowly catching up to solaris/unix/linux/windoze in the CERT > counts ... > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31171 > >

In article <sf82g.32$2i5.5202@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> writes: > > Considering Mac OS-X is linux, no one should be surprised that holes in > linux will also impact OS-X. Linux's security by obscurity is no longer > working. Mac OS X is NOT Linux. Linux is a kernel that popularly ships with enough gnu utilities to be considered on OS. Mac OS X does not use the Linux kernel.

In article <sf82g.32$2i5.5202@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> writes: > > Considering Mac OS-X is linux, no one should be surprised that holes in > linux will also impact OS-X. Linux's security by obscurity is no longer > working. > OSX is not Linux. It is Mach and FreeBSD. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

In article <sf82g.32$2i5.5202@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote: > > Considering Mac OS-X is linux, no one should be surprised that holes in > linux will also impact OS-X. Linux's security by obscurity is no longer > working. > > Mike Ober. > > <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message > news:1145638745.524374.302550@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > they are slowly catching up to solaris/unix/linux/windoze in the CERT > > counts ... > > > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31171 > > > > MacOSX is based on a Mach Micro kernel (just like Digital/Compaq/HP Tru64 UNIX, aka OFS/1, aka Digital UNIX). On top of Mach is FreeBSD. Tru64 put BSD on top of Mach with some AT&T System V licensed bits on the side. Apple most likely choose FreeBSD because it had a BSD license that allowed for commercial distributions without requiring it be open sourced. Apple did eventually open source the Mach/FreeBSD bits as Darwin, but that was much later in the development cycle, and they got to put their own Apple open source license on it, rather than GNU GPL License. And before anyone asks, HP would find it difficult to open source Tru64 UNIX as it has a lot of licensed bits in it, and I don't think HP would want to try an untangle the legal issues to allow them to open source it :-) Bob Harris

Bob Harris wrote: > In article <sf82g.32$2i5.5202@news.uswest.net>, > "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote: > > > > > Considering Mac OS-X is linux, no one should be surprised that holes in > > linux will also impact OS-X. Linux's security by obscurity is no longer > > working. > > > > Mike Ober. > > > > <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message > > news:1145638745.524374.302550@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > > they are slowly catching up to solaris/unix/linux/windoze in the CERT > > > counts ... > > > > > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31171 > > > > > > > > MacOSX is based on a Mach Micro kernel (just like > Digital/Compaq/HP Tru64 UNIX, aka OFS/1, aka Digital UNIX). > > On top of Mach is FreeBSD. Tru64 put BSD on top of Mach with some > AT&T System V licensed bits on the side. ... You and your darn facts are ruining a perfectly good troll! --T > > Bob Harris

I stand corrected on the OS-X base. I had read somewhere that it was Linux based. Obviously my source, which was one that usually gets it right, was incorrect - probably confused FreeBSD with Linux. FreeBSD has been around a lot longer. As for using the Inquirer as a source, I have noticed that it tends towards the sensationalist side, so I always double check it's articles and have discovered that it frequently doesn't give the whole story. As for being a troll - I'm not. Trolls post continuously with the intention of inflaming people. My post was simply in error. Actually, there have been a series of posts in this newsgroup flaming other OSs for security holes, which unfortunately they tend to have. However, VMS is DYING on the vine because HP won't market it. Blasting other OS's won't change this fact. I suspect the only way to get HP to market VMS is to get Wall Street to drop HP's stock price because VMS isn't marketed properly. I can't see Wall Street doing that as they don't understande the value of a secure, stable OS. Mike Ober. "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> wrote in message news:1145680988.903069.67390@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Bob Harris wrote: > > In article <sf82g.32$2i5.5202@news.uswest.net>, > > "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote: > > > > > > > > Considering Mac OS-X is linux, no one should be surprised that holes in > > > linux will also impact OS-X. Linux's security by obscurity is no longer > > > working. > > > > > > Mike Ober. > > > > > > <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message > > > news:1145638745.524374.302550@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > > > they are slowly catching up to solaris/unix/linux/windoze in the CERT > > > > counts ... > > > > > > > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31171 > > > > > > > > > > > > MacOSX is based on a Mach Micro kernel (just like > > Digital/Compaq/HP Tru64 UNIX, aka OFS/1, aka Digital UNIX). > > > > On top of Mach is FreeBSD. Tru64 put BSD on top of Mach with some > > AT&T System V licensed bits on the side. ... > > You and your darn facts are ruining a perfectly good troll! > --T > > > > > Bob Harris > >

Bob Harris wrote: > And before anyone asks, HP would find it difficult to open source > Tru64 UNIX as it has a lot of licensed bits in it, and I don't > think HP would want to try an untangle the legal issues to allow > them to open source it :-) I'd go one further, I don't think HP _could_ untangle the legal issues. Compaq certainly couldn't for Pathworks/Mac, and that was a much smaller product with many fewer licenses in the mix, and this was before the most recent merger. Regards, David Mathog

Michael D. Ober wrote: > I stand corrected on the OS-X base. I had read somewhere that it was Linux > based. Obviously my source, which was one that usually gets it right, was > incorrect - probably confused FreeBSD with Linux. FreeBSD has been around a > lot longer. Actually shorter - unless you mean the age of parts of its codebase. The FreeBSD handbook puts its genesis at 1993. Linux began in 1991 and (as you undoubtedly know) has attracted a much larger developer/user base. The Mach project[1] began in 1985. By 1991, it had passed its 2.5 release and had been adopted as the basis of NEXTSTEP. OS X is based on Mach 3.0 and XNU. > As for using the Inquirer as a source, I have noticed that it > tends towards the sensationalist side, so I always double check it's > articles and have discovered that it frequently doesn't give the whole > story. Like /. article summaries, they can be very erratic. Whether they have a factual scoop, or slanted hype, seems to be a matter of chance for any given story. > > As for being a troll - I'm not. Trolls post continuously with the intention > of inflaming people. My post was simply in error. Understood. My intention was humorous, not to smear your character. :) > Actually, there have > been a series of posts in this newsgroup flaming other OSs for security > holes, which unfortunately they tend to have. However, VMS is DYING on the > vine because HP won't market it. Blasting other OS's won't change this I agree with that (with the exception that blasting Windows is always OK :). I wish the OP would give it a rest. > fact. I suspect the only way to get HP to market VMS is to get Wall Street > to drop HP's stock price because VMS isn't marketed properly. I can't see > Wall Street doing that as they don't understande the value of a secure, > stable OS. If the market behaved rationally, MS would be out of business and Gates would be working at KFC. --Toby [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_kernel > > Mike Ober. > > "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> wrote in message > news:1145680988.903069.67390@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > Bob Harris wrote: > > > In article <sf82g.32$2i5.5202@news.uswest.net>, > > > "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Considering Mac OS-X is linux, no one should be surprised that holes > in > > > > linux will also impact OS-X. Linux's security by obscurity is no > longer > > > > working. > > > > > > > > Mike Ober. > > > > > > > > <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1145638745.524374.302550@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > > > > they are slowly catching up to solaris/unix/linux/windoze in the > CERT > > > > > counts ... > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31171 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacOSX is based on a Mach Micro kernel (just like > > > Digital/Compaq/HP Tru64 UNIX, aka OFS/1, aka Digital UNIX). > > > > > > On top of Mach is FreeBSD. Tru64 put BSD on top of Mach with some > > > AT&T System V licensed bits on the side. ... > > > > You and your darn facts are ruining a perfectly good troll! > > --T > > > > > > > > Bob Harris > > > >

In article <1145896750.520651.97610@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> writes: > Michael D. Ober wrote: >> I stand corrected on the OS-X base. I had read somewhere that it was Linux >> based. Obviously my source, which was one that usually gets it right, was >> incorrect - probably confused FreeBSD with Linux. FreeBSD has been around a >> lot longer. > > Actually shorter - unless you mean the age of parts of its codebase. > The FreeBSD handbook puts its genesis at 1993. Linux began in 1991 Yes, but Linux began in 1991 with nothing and FreeBSD just picked a slightly different hardware path after a decade and a half of OS development and an already functioning OS. > and > (as you undoubtedly know) has attracted a much larger developer/user > base. That just goes to show what marketing can do (brings to mind something about a sow's ear and a silk purse.) Too bad the effort isn't spent on something worthwhile like VMS instead of a piece of crap like Linux. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>