Folks,

We've seen some occasions here in c.o.v. where people post that by the
end of the week, they will have either given away their surplus gear or
they will scrap it.

Please try to provide more advance notice than just one(1) week.

30 days is preferable but not always possible. Spouses, bosses, etc. are
usually "over-threshold" by the time they make such demands. So, ample
notice isn't always possible. Still, "best effort" would be appreciated.

Please bear in mind, however, that cross-country trips to pick-up gear
and the related expenses must both be planned for - these are not
spur-of-the-moment actions or choices.

D.J.D.

David J Dachtera wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> We've seen some occasions here in c.o.v. where people post that by the
> end of the week, they will have either given away their surplus gear or
> they will scrap it.
> 
> Please try to provide more advance notice than just one(1) week.
> 
> 30 days is preferable but not always possible. Spouses, bosses, etc. are
> usually "over-threshold" by the time they make such demands. So, ample
> notice isn't always possible. Still, "best effort" would be appreciated.
> 
> Please bear in mind, however, that cross-country trips to pick-up gear
> and the related expenses must both be planned for...

I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
Or are you talking about some specific country ?
Would it not be best in that case to specify the
country you have in mind ?

Jan-Erik S�derholm wrote:
> David J Dachtera wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> We've seen some occasions here in c.o.v. where people post that by the
>> end of the week, they will have either given away their surplus gear or
>> they will scrap it.
>>
>> Please try to provide more advance notice than just one(1) week.
>>
>> 30 days is preferable but not always possible. Spouses, bosses, etc. are
>> usually "over-threshold" by the time they make such demands. So, ample
>> notice isn't always possible. Still, "best effort" would be appreciated.
>>
>> Please bear in mind, however, that cross-country trips to pick-up gear
>> and the related expenses must both be planned for...
> 
> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
> country you have in mind ?

Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.

Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> Jan-Erik S�derholm wrote:
>> David J Dachtera wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> We've seen some occasions here in c.o.v. where people post that by the
>>> end of the week, they will have either given away their surplus gear or
>>> they will scrap it.
>>>
>>> Please try to provide more advance notice than just one(1) week.
>>>
>>> 30 days is preferable but not always possible. Spouses, bosses, etc. are
>>> usually "over-threshold" by the time they make such demands. So, ample
>>> notice isn't always possible. Still, "best effort" would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Please bear in mind, however, that cross-country trips to pick-up gear
>>> and the related expenses must both be planned for...
>>
>> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
>> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
>> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
>> country you have in mind ?
> 
> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.

Why should I ?
What is special about the USA with regard to c.o.v ?
Used computer equipment is not only available in the USA, are they ?

Richard B. Gilbert vaguely mentioned on 21-2-2009 19:45:

[snip]

> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.

I *always* assume my own country unless otherwise specified. It just 
doesn't happen to be USA.

/Wilm

Jan-Erik S�derholm wrote:
> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>> Jan-Erik S�derholm wrote:
>>> David J Dachtera wrote:
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> We've seen some occasions here in c.o.v. where people post that by the
>>>> end of the week, they will have either given away their surplus gear or
>>>> they will scrap it.
>>>>
>>>> Please try to provide more advance notice than just one(1) week.
>>>>
>>>> 30 days is preferable but not always possible. Spouses, bosses, etc. 
>>>> are
>>>> usually "over-threshold" by the time they make such demands. So, ample
>>>> notice isn't always possible. Still, "best effort" would be 
>>>> appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Please bear in mind, however, that cross-country trips to pick-up gear
>>>> and the related expenses must both be planned for...
>>>
>>> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
>>> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
>>> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
>>> country you have in mind ?
>>
>> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
> 
> Why should I ?
> What is special about the USA with regard to c.o.v ?
> Used computer equipment is not only available in the USA, are they ?

Some of the equipment was exported but I believe that most was sold, 
used, and disposed of in the U.S.A.  When the equipment is NOT in the 
USA the location is usually mentioned.  The location is frequently 
mentioned when the equipment IS in the U.S.A.  Shipping antique 
computers from, say, San Diego, to Philadelphia is not cheap!  Something 
as heavy and as bulky as the VAX 11/780 is no bargain if you have to 
haul it across the entire country.

> Some of the equipment was exported but I believe that most was sold, 
> used, and disposed of in the U.S.A.  When the equipment is NOT in the 
> USA the location is usually mentioned.  

Location should always be mentioned. The USA might not be as big as
Russia or Canada, but it is still large enough that not everyone can
just pickup gear from anywhere in the USA.

In article <QGXnl.6703$U5.72489@newsb.telia.net>,
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com>
writes: 

> > Please bear in mind, however, that cross-country trips to pick-up gear
> > and the related expenses must both be planned for...
> 
> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
> country you have in mind ?

But even in your case, driving from Kiruna to Trelleborg would take at 
least a couple of days.

In article <Csidnbc0LvKg1j3UnZ2dnUVZ_q_inZ2d@giganews.com>, "Richard B.
Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: 

> > I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
> > Or are you talking about some specific country ?
> > Would it not be best in that case to specify the
> > country you have in mind ?
> 
> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.

In any country except a handful of very small countries, a cross-country 
trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works everyday, this 
isn't always something which could be done after work and allow one to 
make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think there are that many VMS 
systems in Monaco.

In article <gnr2dj$9eo$2@online.de>,
	helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:
> In article <Csidnbc0LvKg1j3UnZ2dnUVZ_q_inZ2d@giganews.com>, "Richard B.
> Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: 
> 
>> > I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
>> > Or are you talking about some specific country ?
>> > Would it not be best in that case to specify the
>> > country you have in mind ?
>> 
>> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
> 
> In any country except a handful of very small countries, a cross-country 
> trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works everyday, this 
> isn't always something which could be done after work and allow one to 
> make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think there are that many VMS 
> systems in Monaco.

I don't know about that.  What do they use to run the casinos?  :-)

bill
 

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On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:29:40 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 
(Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:

> In article <Csidnbc0LvKg1j3UnZ2dnUVZ_q_inZ2d@giganews.com>, "Richard B.
> Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: 
> 
> > > I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
> > > Or are you talking about some specific country ?
> > > Would it not be best in that case to specify the
> > > country you have in mind ?
> > 
> > Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
> 
> In any country except a handful of very small countries, a cross-country 
> trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works everyday, this 
> isn't always something which could be done after work and allow one to 
> make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think there are that many VMS 
> systems in Monaco.

Or in the even smaller European country....

-- 
Bob Eager

Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:29:40 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 
> (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:
> 
>> In article <Csidnbc0LvKg1j3UnZ2dnUVZ_q_inZ2d@giganews.com>, "Richard B.
>> Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: 
>>
>>>> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
>>>> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
>>>> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
>>>> country you have in mind ?
>>> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
>> In any country except a handful of very small countries, a cross-country 
>> trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works everyday, this 
>> isn't always something which could be done after work and allow one to 
>> make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think there are that many VMS 
>> systems in Monaco.
> 
> Or in the even smaller European country....
> 

There's a country in Europe SMALLER than Monaco?

On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:31:59 -0800, Richard B. Gilbert  
<rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:

> Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:29:40 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de  
>> (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <Csidnbc0LvKg1j3UnZ2dnUVZ_q_inZ2d@giganews.com>, "Richard B.
>>> Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
>>>>> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
>>>>> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
>>>>> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
>>>>> country you have in mind ?
>>>> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
>>> In any country except a handful of very small countries, a  
>>> cross-country trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works  
>>> everyday, this isn't always something which could be done after work  
>>> and allow one to make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think there  
>>> are that many VMS systems in Monaco.
>>  Or in the even smaller European country....
>>
>
> There's a country in Europe SMALLER than Monaco?

To the extent that you believe the Vatican is a state.


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In article <K8mdnWqwi5ibYTzUnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@giganews.com>, Richard B. Gilbert 
wrote:
>Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:29:40 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 
>> (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:
[...]
>>> In any country except a handful of very small countries, a cross-country 
>>> trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works everyday, this 
>>> isn't always something which could be done after work and allow one to 
>>> make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think there are that many VMS 
>>> systems in Monaco.
>> 
>> Or in the even smaller European country....
>> 
>
>There's a country in Europe SMALLER than Monaco?

Yup - ten points for the correct guess...

"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in
news:K8mdnWqwi5ibYTzUnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@giganews.com: 

>>>>> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
>>>>> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
>>>>> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
>>>>> country you have in mind ?
>>>> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
>>> In any country except a handful of very small countries, a
>>> cross-country trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works
>>> everyday, this isn't always something which could be done after work
>>> and allow one to make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think
>>> there are that many VMS systems in Monaco.
>> 
>> Or in the even smaller European country....
>> 
> 
> There's a country in Europe SMALLER than Monaco?
 
    	Vatican :-) :-)  (OK, it is not strictly a country, but sovereign.)

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Bradford Hamilton wrote:
> In article <K8mdnWqwi5ibYTzUnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@giganews.com>, Richard B. Gilbert 
> wrote:
>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:29:40 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 
>>> (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:
> [...]
>>>> In any country except a handful of very small countries, a cross-country 
>>>> trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works everyday, this 
>>>> isn't always something which could be done after work and allow one to 
>>>> make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think there are that many VMS 
>>>> systems in Monaco.
>>> Or in the even smaller European country....
>>>
>> There's a country in Europe SMALLER than Monaco?
> 
> Yup - ten points for the correct guess...
> 

It'll be The Vatican if that's recognised as an independant
country. Otherwise I'd guess Liechtenstein.

Tim.

In article <176uZD2KcidF-pn2-wnx9p2cRgQLp@rikki.tavi.co.uk>, "Bob Eager"
<rde42@spamcop.net> writes: 

> > I don't think there are that many VMS 
> > systems in Monaco.
> 
> Or in the even smaller European country....

Benedict XVI might not run VMS, but his boss does.  :-)

In article <bbool.22863$cu.10640@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Tim E.
Sneddon" <tim.sneddon@bigpond.com> writes: 

> It'll be The Vatican if that's recognised as an independant
> country. Otherwise I'd guess Liechtenstein.

I think the Vatican is as much of a country as Monaco.  Liechtenstein is
quite a bit bigger.  The other two really small ones are San Marino
(smaller than Liechtenstein, I believe, but bigger than Monaco and the 
Vatican) and Andorra (I believe the biggest of the small 5).

Greetings All,

Tim E. Sneddon wrote:
> Bradford Hamilton wrote:
>> In article <K8mdnWqwi5ibYTzUnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@giganews.com>, Richard B. 
>> Gilbert wrote:
>>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:29:40 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 
>>>> (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>> I don't think there are that many VMS systems in Monaco.
>>>> Or in the even smaller European country....
>>>>
>>> There's a country in Europe SMALLER than Monaco?
>>
>> Yup - ten points for the correct guess...
> 
> It'll be The Vatican if that's recognised as an independant
> country. Otherwise I'd guess Liechtenstein.

The old conundrum is to name the country where there are no births
each year despite having reasonable weather, lots of males and females,
plenty of hospitals, etc.  The answer is the celibate Vatican state.
Any woman who "gets up the duff" is shipped off to Italy.  :-)

Andy Stewart.

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:31:59 UTC, "Richard B. Gilbert" 
<rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:

> Bob Eager wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:29:40 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 
> > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:
> > 
> >> In article <Csidnbc0LvKg1j3UnZ2dnUVZ_q_inZ2d@giganews.com>, "Richard B.
> >> Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: 
> >>
> >>>> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
> >>>> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
> >>>> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
> >>>> country you have in mind ?
> >>> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
> >> In any country except a handful of very small countries, a cross-country 
> >> trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works everyday, this 
> >> isn't always something which could be done after work and allow one to 
> >> make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think there are that many VMS 
> >> systems in Monaco.
> > 
> > Or in the even smaller European country....
> 
> There's a country in Europe SMALLER than Monaco?

Yes.

-- 
Bob Eager

In article <K8mdnWqwi5ibYTzUnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@giganews.com>,
	"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
> Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:29:40 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 
>> (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <Csidnbc0LvKg1j3UnZ2dnUVZ_q_inZ2d@giganews.com>, "Richard B.
>>> Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: 
>>>
>>>>> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
>>>>> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
>>>>> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
>>>>> country you have in mind ?
>>>> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
>>> In any country except a handful of very small countries, a cross-country 
>>> trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works everyday, this 
>>> isn't always something which could be done after work and allow one to 
>>> make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think there are that many VMS 
>>> systems in Monaco.
>> 
>> Or in the even smaller European country....
>> 
> 
> There's a country in Europe SMALLER than Monaco?

At least one that I know of and three others that I am not sure how they
compare in size to Monaco.

Vatican City
San Marino
Andora
Liechtenstein

bill

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In article <op.upr6yqx2hv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net>,
	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.company> writes:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:31:59 -0800, Richard B. Gilbert  
> <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:29:40 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de  
>>> (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <Csidnbc0LvKg1j3UnZ2dnUVZ_q_inZ2d@giganews.com>, "Richard B.
>>>> Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
>>>>>> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
>>>>>> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
>>>>>> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
>>>>>> country you have in mind ?
>>>>> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
>>>> In any country except a handful of very small countries, a  
>>>> cross-country trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works  
>>>> everyday, this isn't always something which could be done after work  
>>>> and allow one to make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think there  
>>>> are that many VMS systems in Monaco.
>>>  Or in the even smaller European country....
>>>
>>
>> There's a country in Europe SMALLER than Monaco?
> 
> To the extent that you believe the Vatican is a state.
 
I know of no country in the world that actually thinks they are a
part of Italy.

bill 

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In article <bbool.22863$cu.10640@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
	"Tim E. Sneddon" <tim.sneddon@bigpond.com> writes:
> Bradford Hamilton wrote:
>> In article <K8mdnWqwi5ibYTzUnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@giganews.com>, Richard B. Gilbert 
>> wrote:
>>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:29:40 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 
>>>> (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>> In any country except a handful of very small countries, a cross-country 
>>>>> trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works everyday, this 
>>>>> isn't always something which could be done after work and allow one to 
>>>>> make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think there are that many VMS 
>>>>> systems in Monaco.
>>>> Or in the even smaller European country....
>>>>
>>> There's a country in Europe SMALLER than Monaco?
>> 
>> Yup - ten points for the correct guess...
>> 
> 
> It'll be The Vatican if that's recognised as an independant
> country. 

If you don't think they are soverign, who do you think rules them?


>           Otherwise I'd guess Liechtenstein.

I mentioned two others, bith of which I think are smaller than Liechtenstein.
But I don't know if they are smaller than Monaco.

bill
 

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In article <Xns9BBB82678E442csabahgmailcom@news.albasani.net>,
	Phaeton <csabah@gmail.com> writes:
> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:K8mdnWqwi5ibYTzUnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@giganews.com: 
> 
>>>>>> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
>>>>>> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
>>>>>> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
>>>>>> country you have in mind ?
>>>>> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
>>>> In any country except a handful of very small countries, a
>>>> cross-country trip would take hours to days.  For someone who works
>>>> everyday, this isn't always something which could be done after work
>>>> and allow one to make it home in time for dinner.  I don't think
>>>> there are that many VMS systems in Monaco.
>>> 
>>> Or in the even smaller European country....
>>> 
>> 
>> There's a country in Europe SMALLER than Monaco?
>  
>     	Vatican :-) :-)  (OK, it is not strictly a country, but sovereign.)
> 

Why would you say they are not a country?

bill

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In article <70fnldF4ai0lU3@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>I mentioned two others, bith of which I think are smaller than Liechtenstein.
>But I don't know if they are smaller than Monaco.

Vatican       -   0.44 square km
Monaco        -   1.97 "
San Marino    -  60.57 "
Liechtenstein - 160    "
Malta         - 316    "
Andorra       - 468    "

I hope I got them all ;-)

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andy/christine wrote:

> The old conundrum is to name the country where there are no births
> each year despite having reasonable weather, lots of males and females,
> plenty of hospitals, etc.  The answer is the celibate Vatican state.

There are females in the vatican ?

There is a hospital in the vatican ?

Are there normal people who work 9-5 in the vatican but who live in
Italy ? Or are they all male priests, down to the secretaries ?

On 23 Feb, 16:54, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> andy/christine wrote:
> > The old conundrum is to name the country where there are no births
> > each year despite having reasonable weather, lots of males and females,
> > plenty of hospitals, etc. =A0The answer is the celibate Vatican state.
>
> There are females in the vatican ?
>
> There is a hospital in the vatican ?
>
> Are there normal people who work 9-5 in the vatican but who live in
> Italy ? Or are they all male priests, down to the secretaries ?

Vatican City State is small but, couriously, half of its surface is
covered by gardens. :)
There are males and females living in Vatican, but not all of them are
priests.
Common people are a few in Vatican, but be sure that they are really
privileged ones, as they pay a few taxes if compared to people living
in Italy (catholic priests living in Italy also pay a few taxes).
Vatican City does not have an hospital, it relies on other hospitals
in Rome, but surprisingly, does not pay for the healtcare service to
the italian state...
Turning on topic... I could be wrong but I remember that some years
ago, some of the few *.va sites were running on VMS, then switched to
Solaris.
Regards
gl

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:

>andy/christine wrote:

>> The old conundrum is to name the country where there are no births
>> each year despite having reasonable weather, lots of males and females,
>> plenty of hospitals, etc.  The answer is the celibate Vatican state.

>There are females in the vatican ?

You've never heard of nuns?


(Here I'd point to the CIA World Factbook for information on population
including male/female ratios, however their entry for the Vatican doesn't
have that info.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/index.html)

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 at 15:49 -0000, Christoph Gartmann wrote:

>
>
> In article <70fnldF4ai0lU3@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>> I mentioned two others, bith of which I think are smaller than Liechtenstein.
>> But I don't know if they are smaller than Monaco.
>
> Vatican       -   0.44 square km
> Monaco        -   1.97 "
> San Marino    -  60.57 "
> Liechtenstein - 160    "
> Malta         - 316    "
> Andorra       - 468    "
>
> I hope I got them all ;-)

Grand Duchy of Fenwick?


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Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:

>On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 at 15:49 -0000, Christoph Gartmann wrote:

>> In article <70fnldF4ai0lU3@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>> I mentioned two others, bith of which I think are smaller than Liechtenstein.
>>> But I don't know if they are smaller than Monaco.
>>
>> Vatican       -   0.44 square km
>> Monaco        -   1.97 "
>> San Marino    -  60.57 "
>> Liechtenstein - 160    "
>> Malta         - 316    "
>> Andorra       - 468    "
>>
>> I hope I got them all ;-)

>Grand Duchy of Fenwick?

I just remembered Sealand:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:53:32 UTC, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com 
(Michael Moroney) wrote:

> Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:
> 
> >On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 at 15:49 -0000, Christoph Gartmann wrote:
> 
> >> In article <70fnldF4ai0lU3@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
> >>> I mentioned two others, bith of which I think are smaller than Liechtenstein.
> >>> But I don't know if they are smaller than Monaco.
> >>
> >> Vatican       -   0.44 square km
> >> Monaco        -   1.97 "
> >> San Marino    -  60.57 "
> >> Liechtenstein - 160    "
> >> Malta         - 316    "
> >> Andorra       - 468    "
> >>
> >> I hope I got them all ;-)
> 
> >Grand Duchy of Fenwick?
> 
> I just remembered Sealand:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

What have I started here???! 

And I was thinking of the Vatican, too. However, I'm only about 40 miles
from Sealand....!
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In article <gnunqs$rb1$1@pcls6.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:
>Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:
>
>>On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 at 15:49 -0000, Christoph Gartmann wrote:
>
>>> In article <70fnldF4ai0lU3@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>>> I mentioned two others, bith of which I think are smaller than Liechtenstein.
>>>> But I don't know if they are smaller than Monaco.
>>>
>>> Vatican       -   0.44 square km
>>> Monaco        -   1.97 "
>>> San Marino    -  60.57 "
>>> Liechtenstein - 160    "
>>> Malta         - 316    "
>>> Andorra       - 468    "
>>>
>>> I hope I got them all ;-)
>
>>Grand Duchy of Fenwick?

Never heard about that one...

>
>I just remembered Sealand:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

There they state: "Sealand is not currently officially recognised as a
sovereign state by any United Nations member."

Regards,
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 at 21:08 -0000, Christoph Gartmann wrote:

>
>
>> Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 at 15:49 -0000, Christoph Gartmann wrote:
>>
>>>> Vatican       -   0.44 square km
>>>> Monaco        -   1.97 "
>>>> San Marino    -  60.57 "
>>>> Liechtenstein - 160    "
>>>> Malta         - 316    "
>>>> Andorra       - 468    "
>>>>
>>>> I hope I got them all ;-)
>>
>>> Grand Duchy of Fenwick?
>
> Never heard about that one...

My mistake.  It is the Duchy of Grand Fenwick.  And it is fictional. 
According to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Fenwick> its area is 
39 square km, which would put it in 3rd place in your table.

My apologies for neglecting to include a ;-) in my earlier post.


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Jan-Erik S�derholm wrote:
> 
> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> > Jan-Erik S�derholm wrote:
> >> David J Dachtera wrote:
> >>> Folks,
> >>>
> >>> We've seen some occasions here in c.o.v. where people post that by the
> >>> end of the week, they will have either given away their surplus gear or
> >>> they will scrap it.
> >>>
> >>> Please try to provide more advance notice than just one(1) week.
> >>>
> >>> 30 days is preferable but not always possible. Spouses, bosses, etc. are
> >>> usually "over-threshold" by the time they make such demands. So, ample
> >>> notice isn't always possible. Still, "best effort" would be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Please bear in mind, however, that cross-country trips to pick-up gear
> >>> and the related expenses must both be planned for...
> >>
> >> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
> >> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
> >> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
> >> country you have in mind ?
> >
> > Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
> 
> Why should I ?
> What is special about the USA with regard to c.o.v ?
> Used computer equipment is not only available in the USA, are they ?

Better still: ass-u-me THE POSTER's country!

(Does anyone here not know that I'm one of "those bloody Americans"?)

D.J.D.

David J Dachtera wrote:
> Jan-Erik S�derholm wrote:
>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>>> Jan-Erik S�derholm wrote:
>>>> David J Dachtera wrote:
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> We've seen some occasions here in c.o.v. where people post that by the
>>>>> end of the week, they will have either given away their surplus gear or
>>>>> they will scrap it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please try to provide more advance notice than just one(1) week.
>>>>>
>>>>> 30 days is preferable but not always possible. Spouses, bosses, etc. are
>>>>> usually "over-threshold" by the time they make such demands. So, ample
>>>>> notice isn't always possible. Still, "best effort" would be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please bear in mind, however, that cross-country trips to pick-up gear
>>>>> and the related expenses must both be planned for...
>>>> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
>>>> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
>>>> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
>>>> country you have in mind ?
>>> Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
>> Why should I ?
>> What is special about the USA with regard to c.o.v ?
>> Used computer equipment is not only available in the USA, are they ?
> 
> Better still: ass-u-me THE POSTER's country!
> 
> (Does anyone here not know that I'm one of "those bloody Americans"?)
> 
> D.J.D.

I, also, am one of "those bloody Americans".  Be WE also belong to the 
VMS community and that's more important!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: info-vax-bounces@rbnsn.com [mailto:info-vax-bounces@rbnsn.com] On
> Behalf Of David J Dachtera
> Sent: February 24, 2009 7:04 PM
> To: info-vax@rbnsn.com
> Subject: Re: [Info-vax] Open Request to those scrapping Alphas and
> VAXes...
>=20
> Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote:
> >
> > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> > > Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote:
> > >> David J Dachtera wrote:
> > >>> Folks,
> > >>>
> > >>> We've seen some occasions here in c.o.v. where people post that
> by the
> > >>> end of the week, they will have either given away their surplus
> gear or
> > >>> they will scrap it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Please try to provide more advance notice than just one(1) week.
> > >>>
> > >>> 30 days is preferable but not always possible. Spouses, bosses,
> etc. are
> > >>> usually "over-threshold" by the time they make such demands. So,
> ample
> > >>> notice isn't always possible. Still, "best effort" would be
> appreciated.
> > >>>
> > >>> Please bear in mind, however, that cross-country trips to pick-up
> gear
> > >>> and the related expenses must both be planned for...
> > >>
> > >> I do not see any major problem with cross-country trips.
> > >> Or are you talking about some specific country ?
> > >> Would it not be best in that case to specify the
> > >> country you have in mind ?
> > >
> > > Why don't you assume U.S.A. unless some other country is specified.
> >
> > Why should I ?
> > What is special about the USA with regard to c.o.v ?
> > Used computer equipment is not only available in the USA, are they ?
>=20
> Better still: ass-u-me THE POSTER's country!
>=20
> (Does anyone here not know that I'm one of "those bloody Americans"?)
>=20
> D.J.D.
> _______________________________________________

Yeah, but we don't hold it against you..

:-)


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David J Dachtera wrote:

> 
> Better still: ass-u-me THE POSTER's country!

Easy if it's spelled out.

> 
> (Does anyone here not know that I'm one of "those bloody Americans"?)

I've no idea. Could just as well be UK, AU, or maybe just
being good in english.

> 
> D.J.D.