OpenVMS DOD installations

Okay, I can't really say this is a DOD site. It may not be US Govt at all, given that it's based in Riyadh. However, given the recent exchanges about "where are the defense OpenVMS sites", or something along those lines, I thought it might be interesting. Hopefully the link doesn't get mangled. http://www.iitjobs.com/candidates/ShowJobDetails.aspx?jid=136999 I'm not confirming, nor denying, nor supporting, nor attacking the comments about OpenVMS in US government, or how that might impact OpenVMS development and support. I just thought this would be interesting to some reading here.

Picatinny Aresenal is also still looking for a VAX/VMS administrator. So that's two military installations that reference VAX instead of Alpha or Integrity. Either way it's an OpenVMS site. (And, I know from experience that some people continue to call it "the VAX" when they've really got an Alpha or Integrity system. Some habits die hard. It's also very possible, though, that the military didn't bother upgrading the systems and are really still running VAX and MicroVAX systems.)

In article <d56fb2e9-509c-4ac8-875a-243fd4b47a79@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, sapienzaf <sapienza@noesys.com> writes: >Picatinny Aresenal is also still looking for a VAX/VMS administrator. >So that's two military installations that reference VAX instead of >Alpha or Integrity. Either way it's an OpenVMS site. > >(And, I know from experience that some people continue to call it "the >VAX" when they've really got an Alpha or Integrity system. Some >habits die hard. It's also very possible, though, that the military >didn't bother upgrading the systems and are really still running VAX >and MicroVAX systems.) Got a URL for the job posting? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG http://www.quirkfactory.com/popart/asskey/eqn2.png "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"

In article <04b488c4-9df0-4cf1-852c-9497b596305e@n4g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, FrankS <sapienza@noesys.com> writes: > Okay, I can't really say this is a DOD site. It may not be US Govt at > all, given that it's based in Riyadh. However, given the recent > exchanges about "where are the defense OpenVMS sites", or something > along those lines, I thought it might be interesting. Hopefully the > link doesn't get mangled. > > http://www.iitjobs.com/candidates/ShowJobDetails.aspx?jid=136999 > > I'm not confirming, nor denying, nor supporting, nor attacking the > comments about OpenVMS in US government, or how that might impact > OpenVMS development and support. I just thought this would be > interesting to some reading here. Sigh..... Even if it really was what you thought it was, it would still be one (very small) machine. However..... > Essential Skills: > > Skills Specialization Years > UNIX - 10 Hmmm.... Doesn't look like VMS to me. > Job Location: Riyadh SA United States I'll have to assume the ad was written over there as most americans probably know SA is not one of the United States. :-) > Must have a minimum of ten (10) years experience in developing, > installing, testing and maintaining data processing and display > equipment for a large scale Command and Control Air Defense System. Yeah, that sounds military. > DEC or VAX or MicroVAX Computer series hardware, VMS/Rdb, and UNIX > or equivalent hardware and software DEC? VAX? MicroVAX? Sounds like really bad boiler plate by someone who has no experience in the IT world today. I kinda doubt they are really running "VMS/Rdb" on a MicroVAX. > IBM Person Computers (or compatibles) MacIntosh computers, and > associated peripherals. Yeah, looks like something written by a non-english speaking non-IT Human Resources person jus trying to get what they thought were the best buzz-words in there. Copy person probably gets paid by the word. And, of course, the kicker!!! "RSAF" = Royal Saudi Air Force So, it is definitely not DOD. And, having worked rather closely with many of our allies (I worked with a handful of Saudi Army Officers just last summer) I am not surprised they would be using legacy systems. They may have a lot of money, but that does not mean they live in the modern world. (But in the case of the Saudis, they are trying.) Incidently, when I was doing my search for DOD VMS systems I also looked at trying to convince the MI guys they could use me to decipher the equipment we were likely to find scattered around Iraq. I would have expected to find not only VAXen but probably PDP-11's as well. But, they had no interest either. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

In article <d56fb2e9-509c-4ac8-875a-243fd4b47a79@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, sapienzaf <sapienza@noesys.com> writes: > Picatinny Aresenal is also still looking for a VAX/VMS administrator. Having dealt with Picatinny Aresenal, I would not be surpirsed to find out it really is a VAX. :-) Probably running a whole bunch of Fortran. > So that's two military installations But only one DOD. :-) > that reference VAX instead of > Alpha or Integrity. Either way it's an OpenVMS site. > > (And, I know from experience that some people continue to call it "the > VAX" when they've really got an Alpha or Integrity system. Some > habits die hard. It's also very possible, though, that the military > didn't bother upgrading the systems and are really still running VAX > and MicroVAX systems.) I have already said that. The Simulation System homed out of Moffet Field and located at someting like 5 sites across the country is a large Fortran program running on VAX/VMS (and I actually mean VAX!!) It is rather larger than a MicroVAX, however. I doubt there is any system small enough to run on a MicroVAX that would not have been migrated more than a decade ago. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

In article <00A8C223.131A05C8@sendspamhere.org>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <d56fb2e9-509c-4ac8-875a-243fd4b47a79@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, sapienzaf <sapienza@noesys.com> writes: >>Picatinny Aresenal is also still looking for a VAX/VMS administrator. >>So that's two military installations that reference VAX instead of >>Alpha or Integrity. Either way it's an OpenVMS site. >> >>(And, I know from experience that some people continue to call it "the >>VAX" when they've really got an Alpha or Integrity system. Some >>habits die hard. It's also very possible, though, that the military >>didn't bother upgrading the systems and are really still running VAX >>and MicroVAX systems.) > > Got a URL for the job posting? If it's a government job it would be at CPOL http://www.cpol.army.mil/ If it's a contractor, your on your own. A quick search of CPOL returned no IT jobs currently open at Picatinny. (For those who might be interested in searching, the "Occupation Series" is 2210.) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <04b488c4-9df0-4cf1-852c-9497b596305e@n4g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, > FrankS <sapienza@noesys.com> writes: >> Okay, I can't really say this is a DOD site. It may not be US Govt at >> all, given that it's based in Riyadh. However, given the recent >> exchanges about "where are the defense OpenVMS sites", or something >> along those lines, I thought it might be interesting. Hopefully the >> link doesn't get mangled. >> >> http://www.iitjobs.com/candidates/ShowJobDetails.aspx?jid=136999 >> >> I'm not confirming, nor denying, nor supporting, nor attacking the >> comments about OpenVMS in US government, or how that might impact >> OpenVMS development and support. I just thought this would be >> interesting to some reading here. > > Sigh..... Even if it really was what you thought it was, it would still be > one (very small) machine. > > However..... > > >> Essential Skills: >> >> Skills Specialization Years >> UNIX - 10 > > > Hmmm.... Doesn't look like VMS to me. > >> Job Location: Riyadh SA United States > > I'll have to assume the ad was written over there as most americans probably > know SA is not one of the United States. :-) You might be surprised! Are *you* an American citizen? If so, please make a note that "American" is written with a capital A! > >> Must have a minimum of ten (10) years experience in developing, >> installing, testing and maintaining data processing and display >> equipment for a large scale Command and Control Air Defense System. > > Yeah, that sounds military. > >> DEC or VAX or MicroVAX Computer series hardware, VMS/Rdb, and UNIX >> or equivalent hardware and software > > DEC? VAX? MicroVAX? Sounds like really bad boiler plate by someone who > has no experience in the IT world today. I kinda doubt they are really > running "VMS/Rdb" on a MicroVAX. Ads are placed, and often written, by HR rather than the hiring manager! It helps to ensure that HR will be able to appear to be doing something!

In article <3cqdnbpsM8Z2rYDXnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article <04b488c4-9df0-4cf1-852c-9497b596305e@n4g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, >> FrankS <sapienza@noesys.com> writes: >>> Okay, I can't really say this is a DOD site. It may not be US Govt at >>> all, given that it's based in Riyadh. However, given the recent >>> exchanges about "where are the defense OpenVMS sites", or something >>> along those lines, I thought it might be interesting. Hopefully the >>> link doesn't get mangled. >>> >>> http://www.iitjobs.com/candidates/ShowJobDetails.aspx?jid=136999 >>> >>> I'm not confirming, nor denying, nor supporting, nor attacking the >>> comments about OpenVMS in US government, or how that might impact >>> OpenVMS development and support. I just thought this would be >>> interesting to some reading here. >> >> Sigh..... Even if it really was what you thought it was, it would still be >> one (very small) machine. >> >> However..... >> >> >>> Essential Skills: >>> >>> Skills Specialization Years >>> UNIX - 10 >> >> >> Hmmm.... Doesn't look like VMS to me. >> >>> Job Location: Riyadh SA United States >> >> I'll have to assume the ad was written over there as most americans probably >> know SA is not one of the United States. :-) > > You might be surprised! Are *you* an American citizen? If so, please > make a note that "American" is written with a capital A! Ah yes, when you can't refute the facts attack the grammar and spelling. > >> >>> Must have a minimum of ten (10) years experience in developing, >>> installing, testing and maintaining data processing and display >>> equipment for a large scale Command and Control Air Defense System. >> >> Yeah, that sounds military. >> >>> DEC or VAX or MicroVAX Computer series hardware, VMS/Rdb, and UNIX >>> or equivalent hardware and software >> >> DEC? VAX? MicroVAX? Sounds like really bad boiler plate by someone who >> has no experience in the IT world today. I kinda doubt they are really >> running "VMS/Rdb" on a MicroVAX. > > Ads are placed, and often written, by HR rather than the hiring manager! > It helps to ensure that HR will be able to appear to be doing something! Which is what I said. "VMS" in an ad does not necessarily mean there is anything involving HP OpenVMS involved in the job. Knowing the level of technology used by the RSAF, in this case, there probably is. And it prbably is a VAX!! bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

On May 27, 7:52=A0am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > DEC? VAX? MicroVAX? =A0Sounds like really bad boiler plate by someone who > has no experience in the IT world today. =A0I kinda doubt they are really > running "VMS/Rdb" on a MicroVAX. > Where would anyone find boilerplate copy today that still references MicroVAX? It wouldn't be the first time I saw Rdb running on a MicroVAX. One of my customers (soon to be out of business) was running Rdb on a MicroVAX 3100 development system. This also wouldn't be the first time I've seen OpenVMS described as a Unix variant by the unknowing. > "RSAF" =3D Royal Saudi Air Force > > So, it is definitely not DOD. Yeah, I realized what RSAF was after I had posted the message. I do believe, though, that the US government has military installations in Riyadh (and certainly personnel) so you can see that it was an easy conclusion for me to draw. Well, no, maybe you can't see it.

Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <3cqdnbpsM8Z2rYDXnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>, > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> In article <04b488c4-9df0-4cf1-852c-9497b596305e@n4g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, >>> FrankS <sapienza@noesys.com> writes: >>>> Okay, I can't really say this is a DOD site. It may not be US Govt at >>>> all, given that it's based in Riyadh. However, given the recent >>>> exchanges about "where are the defense OpenVMS sites", or something >>>> along those lines, I thought it might be interesting. Hopefully the >>>> link doesn't get mangled. >>>> >>>> http://www.iitjobs.com/candidates/ShowJobDetails.aspx?jid=136999 >>>> >>>> I'm not confirming, nor denying, nor supporting, nor attacking the >>>> comments about OpenVMS in US government, or how that might impact >>>> OpenVMS development and support. I just thought this would be >>>> interesting to some reading here. >>> Sigh..... Even if it really was what you thought it was, it would still be >>> one (very small) machine. >>> >>> However..... >>> >>> >>>> Essential Skills: >>>> >>>> Skills Specialization Years >>>> UNIX - 10 >>> >>> Hmmm.... Doesn't look like VMS to me. >>> >>>> Job Location: Riyadh SA United States >>> I'll have to assume the ad was written over there as most americans probably >>> know SA is not one of the United States. :-) >> You might be surprised! Are *you* an American citizen? If so, please >> make a note that "American" is written with a capital A! > > Ah yes, when you can't refute the facts attack the grammar and spelling. > Which facts did you, mistakenly, assume I was trying to refute??? <snip>

On May 27, 7:13=A0am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <d56fb2e9-509c-4ac8-875a-243fd4b47...@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.= com>, sapienzaf <sapie...@noesys.com> writes: > > >Picatinny Aresenal is also still looking for a VAX/VMS administrator. > >So that's two military installations that reference VAX instead of > >Alpha or Integrity. =A0Either way it's an OpenVMS site. > > >(And, I know from experience that some people continue to call it "the > >VAX" when they've really got an Alpha or Integrity system. =A0Some > >habits die hard. =A0It's also very possible, though, that the military > >didn't bother upgrading the systems and are really still running VAX > >and MicroVAX systems.) > > Got a URL for the job posting? The job has been posted for many months. Here is the latest posting I have found: http://www.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=3D2288525 The job ad says the location is Piscataway, but I believe that is incorrect. Ken

In article <a42a6e5c-39bf-485a-8ec7-63eece6eb958@s21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, ken <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes: > On May 27, 7:13�am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <d56fb2e9-509c-4ac8-875a-243fd4b47...@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, sapienzaf <sapie...@noesys.com> writes: >> >> >Picatinny Aresenal is also still looking for a VAX/VMS administrator. >> >So that's two military installations that reference VAX instead of >> >Alpha or Integrity. �Either way it's an OpenVMS site. >> >> >(And, I know from experience that some people continue to call it "the >> >VAX" when they've really got an Alpha or Integrity system. �Some >> >habits die hard. �It's also very possible, though, that the military >> >didn't bother upgrading the systems and are really still running VAX >> >and MicroVAX systems.) >> >> Got a URL for the job posting? > The job has been posted for many months. Here is the latest posting I > have found: > http://www.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=2288525 > The job ad says the location is Piscataway, but I believe that is > incorrect. Why would you read an ad for a job in Piscataway, NJ and assume it was wrong and actually at Picatinny Arsenal? One has nothing to do with the other. And they are about 37 miles apart. And, yes Virginia, there is a Piscataway. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

On May 27, 9:18=A0am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <a42a6e5c-39bf-485a-8ec7-63eece6eb...@s21g2000vbb.googlegroups= ..com>, > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ken <kenrb...@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > On May 27, 7:13=A0am, VAXman- =A0@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> In article <d56fb2e9-509c-4ac8-875a-243fd4b47...@x3g2000yqa.googlegrou= ps.com>, sapienzaf <sapie...@noesys.com> writes: > > >> >Picatinny Aresenal is also still looking for a VAX/VMS administrator. > >> >So that's two military installations that reference VAX instead of > >> >Alpha or Integrity. =A0Either way it's an OpenVMS site. > > >> >(And, I know from experience that some people continue to call it "th= e > >> >VAX" when they've really got an Alpha or Integrity system. =A0Some > >> >habits die hard. =A0It's also very possible, though, that the militar= y > >> >didn't bother upgrading the systems and are really still running VAX > >> >and MicroVAX systems.) > > >> Got a URL for the job posting? > > The job has been posted for many months. Here is the latest posting I > > have found: > >http://www.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=3D2288525 > > The job ad says the location is Piscataway, but I believe that is > > incorrect. > > Why would you read an ad for a job in Piscataway, NJ and assume it > was wrong and actually at Picatinny Arsenal? =A0One has nothing to do > with the other. And they are about 37 miles apart. =A0And, yes Virginia, > there is a Piscataway. =A0:-) I, for one, do my research and try to check on any acronyms mentioned in the ad. This ad mentions "ARDEC's M&S Mainframe". Doing a Google search on "ARDEC" we find as the first hit: http://www.pica.army.mil/PicatinnyPublic/organizations/ardec/index.asp Ken

In article <e5f12115-4eb2-4e0f-a4fc-a62d070c2ad4@x6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, ken <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes: > On May 27, 9:18�am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> In article <a42a6e5c-39bf-485a-8ec7-63eece6eb...@s21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, >> � � � � ken <kenrb...@gmail.com> writes: >> >> >> >> > On May 27, 7:13�am, VAXman- �@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> >> In article <d56fb2e9-509c-4ac8-875a-243fd4b47...@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, sapienzaf <sapie...@noesys.com> writes: >> >> >> >Picatinny Aresenal is also still looking for a VAX/VMS administrator. >> >> >So that's two military installations that reference VAX instead of >> >> >Alpha or Integrity. �Either way it's an OpenVMS site. >> >> >> >(And, I know from experience that some people continue to call it "the >> >> >VAX" when they've really got an Alpha or Integrity system. �Some >> >> >habits die hard. �It's also very possible, though, that the military >> >> >didn't bother upgrading the systems and are really still running VAX >> >> >and MicroVAX systems.) >> >> >> Got a URL for the job posting? >> > The job has been posted for many months. Here is the latest posting I >> > have found: >> >http://www.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=2288525 >> > The job ad says the location is Piscataway, but I believe that is >> > incorrect. >> >> Why would you read an ad for a job in Piscataway, NJ and assume it >> was wrong and actually at Picatinny Arsenal? �One has nothing to do >> with the other. And they are about 37 miles apart. �And, yes Virginia, >> there is a Piscataway. �:-) > I, for one, do my research and try to check on any acronyms mentioned > in the ad. This ad mentions "ARDEC's M&S Mainframe". Doing a Google > search on "ARDEC" we find as the first hit: > http://www.pica.army.mil/PicatinnyPublic/organizations/ardec/index.asp And a search for VMS would return "DISA's Vulnerability Management System" and, of course, the infamous "Virtual Milking System". I am sure there are a number of possibilities for what ARDEC might mean. The job very specifically said Piscataway, not Picatinny. (Oh, and there is no place called Picatinny, NJ. The nearest real city would probably be Dover, NJ.) I have found that you can search for almost any DOD acronym in google and find some civilian usage for the same one. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

On May 27, 9:58=A0am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <e5f12115-4eb2-4e0f-a4fc-a62d070c2...@x6g2000vbg.googlegroups.= com>, > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ken <kenrb...@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > On May 27, 9:18=A0am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >> In article <a42a6e5c-39bf-485a-8ec7-63eece6eb...@s21g2000vbb.googlegro= ups.com>, > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ken <kenrb...@gmail.com> writes: > > >> > On May 27, 7:13=A0am, VAXman- =A0@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> >> In article <d56fb2e9-509c-4ac8-875a-243fd4b47...@x3g2000yqa.googleg= roups.com>, sapienzaf <sapie...@noesys.com> writes: > > >> >> >Picatinny Aresenal is also still looking for a VAX/VMS administrat= or. > >> >> >So that's two military installations that reference VAX instead of > >> >> >Alpha or Integrity. =A0Either way it's an OpenVMS site. > > >> >> >(And, I know from experience that some people continue to call it = "the > >> >> >VAX" when they've really got an Alpha or Integrity system. =A0Some > >> >> >habits die hard. =A0It's also very possible, though, that the mili= tary > >> >> >didn't bother upgrading the systems and are really still running V= AX > >> >> >and MicroVAX systems.) > > >> >> Got a URL for the job posting? > >> > The job has been posted for many months. Here is the latest posting = I > >> > have found: > >> >http://www.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=3D2288525 > >> > The job ad says the location is Piscataway, but I believe that is > >> > incorrect. > > >> Why would you read an ad for a job in Piscataway, NJ and assume it > >> was wrong and actually at Picatinny Arsenal? =A0One has nothing to do > >> with the other. And they are about 37 miles apart. =A0And, yes Virgini= a, > >> there is a Piscataway. =A0:-) > > I, for one, do my research and try to check on any acronyms mentioned > > in the ad. This ad mentions "ARDEC's M&S Mainframe". Doing a Google > > search on "ARDEC" we find as the first hit: > >http://www.pica.army.mil/PicatinnyPublic/organizations/ardec/index.asp > > And a search for VMS would return "DISA's Vulnerability Management System= " > and, of course, the infamous "Virtual Milking System". =A0I am sure there > are a number of possibilities for what ARDEC might mean. =A0The job very > specifically said Piscataway, not Picatinny. (Oh, and there is no place > called Picatinny, NJ. =A0The nearest real city would probably be Dover, N= J.) > I have found that you can search for almost any DOD acronym in google > and find some civilian usage for the same one. But, since I was looking for a VMS job that was for the Picatinny Arsenal and that acronym pointed to Picatinny, I put 1 & 1 together and got 2. Also, you must know, that you really can't trust the location mentioned in job ads. There was one job ad a few months ago that mentioned Princeton, NJ but was really in Indianapolis, IN -- now that's a stretch -- not even in the same state. Another said NYC and it was in Oswego, NY. Ken

In article <017f3386-b52f-4153-8f1f-cccc86ccee60@r13g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, ken <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes: > On May 27, 9:58�am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> In article <e5f12115-4eb2-4e0f-a4fc-a62d070c2...@x6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, >> � � � � ken <kenrb...@gmail.com> writes: >> >> >> >> > On May 27, 9:18�am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> >> In article <a42a6e5c-39bf-485a-8ec7-63eece6eb...@s21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, >> >> � � � � ken <kenrb...@gmail.com> writes: >> >> >> > On May 27, 7:13�am, VAXman- �@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> >> >> In article <d56fb2e9-509c-4ac8-875a-243fd4b47...@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, sapienzaf <sapie...@noesys.com> writes: >> >> >> >> >Picatinny Aresenal is also still looking for a VAX/VMS administrator. >> >> >> >So that's two military installations that reference VAX instead of >> >> >> >Alpha or Integrity. �Either way it's an OpenVMS site. >> >> >> >> >(And, I know from experience that some people continue to call it "the >> >> >> >VAX" when they've really got an Alpha or Integrity system. �Some >> >> >> >habits die hard. �It's also very possible, though, that the military >> >> >> >didn't bother upgrading the systems and are really still running VAX >> >> >> >and MicroVAX systems.) >> >> >> >> Got a URL for the job posting? >> >> > The job has been posted for many months. Here is the latest posting I >> >> > have found: >> >> >http://www.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=2288525 >> >> > The job ad says the location is Piscataway, but I believe that is >> >> > incorrect. >> >> >> Why would you read an ad for a job in Piscataway, NJ and assume it >> >> was wrong and actually at Picatinny Arsenal? �One has nothing to do >> >> with the other. And they are about 37 miles apart. �And, yes Virginia, >> >> there is a Piscataway. �:-) >> > I, for one, do my research and try to check on any acronyms mentioned >> > in the ad. This ad mentions "ARDEC's M&S Mainframe". Doing a Google >> > search on "ARDEC" we find as the first hit: >> >http://www.pica.army.mil/PicatinnyPublic/organizations/ardec/index.asp >> >> And a search for VMS would return "DISA's Vulnerability Management System" >> and, of course, the infamous "Virtual Milking System". �I am sure there >> are a number of possibilities for what ARDEC might mean. �The job very >> specifically said Piscataway, not Picatinny. (Oh, and there is no place >> called Picatinny, NJ. �The nearest real city would probably be Dover, NJ.) >> I have found that you can search for almost any DOD acronym in google >> and find some civilian usage for the same one. > But, since I was looking for a VMS job that was for the Picatinny > Arsenal and that acronym pointed to Picatinny, I put 1 & 1 together > and got 2. Also, you must know, that you really can't trust the > location mentioned in job ads. There was one job ad a few months ago > that mentioned Princeton, NJ but was really in Indianapolis, IN -- now > that's a stretch -- not even in the same state. Another said NYC and > it was in Oswego, NY. All well and good, but I still don't see the connection between Piscataway and Picatinny. I can only assume you lack experience with the Army hiring process. If you want to find a job at Picatinny, you need to look at USAJOBS which is The Office of Personnel Management and covers all US Government Agencies and/or the CPOL site I mentioned earlier which is Army specific. Any jobs you see listed at these other headhunters they lifted from an official government site. Of course, contractor (as in beltway bandit) jobs are different but you are better off going directly to the contractors HR site rather than dealing with third-parties. As I said earlier, I have checked both CPOL and USAJOBS and there are no IT jobs for Picatinny currently open. Just as another note as to the validity of the original posted vacancy ad. I notice the "posted date" was today where you said it was some earlier date. I suspect it is dynamically generated HTML and there is no way of knowing how old the vacancy actually is. It's like doing a google search for an obscure PDP-11 module and getting a dozen hits from resellers who turn out not to actually have the part in stock but they have set up their web pages to return hits for anything. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

ken wrote: > > On May 27, 7:13 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > In article <d56fb2e9-509c-4ac8-875a-243fd4b47...@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, sapienzaf <sapie...@noesys.com> writes: > > > > >Picatinny Aresenal is also still looking for a VAX/VMS administrator. > > >So that's two military installations that reference VAX instead of > > >Alpha or Integrity. Either way it's an OpenVMS site. > > > > >(And, I know from experience that some people continue to call it "the > > >VAX" when they've really got an Alpha or Integrity system. Some > > >habits die hard. It's also very possible, though, that the military > > >didn't bother upgrading the systems and are really still running VAX > > >and MicroVAX systems.) > > > > Got a URL for the job posting? > > The job has been posted for many months. Here is the latest posting I > have found: > > http://www.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=2288525 > > The job ad says the location is Piscataway, but I believe that is > incorrect. The posting appears to be dated today(?). ....or is that just a ComputerJobs thing (not what it once was), like putting the "today's date" macro in a document header/footer so it always looks current even if it hasn't been updated since before Sputnik launched (just got "computerized")? D.J.D.

Here, Bill, see if there are any acronyms in these listings that may be misinterpreted: http://tinyurl.com/rc6zh4 http://tinyurl.com/psdfbo http://tinyurl.com/pdtp3l The fact is that the Picatinny Aresenal post has come and gone a number of times in the past many months. Sometimes it expressly mentioned Picatinny (and not Piscataway), and I can recall one instance where it expressly mentioned Picatinny Arsenal. So, having seen it be more specific it's not to difficult to recognize the same position is being reposted with minor differences in the text. This reminds me of the time when a contract for the NYC Dept of Corrections was listed as being on Fisher's Island instead of Riker's Island. The listing expressly mentioned inmate data systems, and was practically a verbatim copy of prior postings for Riker's Island. But, had you seen it I'm sure you'd argue that maybe there's some other jail on Fisher's Island and the OpenVMS, RDB, and other related acronyms were just coincidentally mentioned or referencing some other products. You seem to be really stuck on details and are going out of your way to look assinine. Sure, ARDEC can mean all sorts of things. Sure, Piscataway isn't Picatinny, despite the fact that many of these staffing firms will often intentionally list the wrong location. Yet, I know what I've seen in the past, and I know that it's Picatinny Arsenal that is/was looking for a contract OpenVMS sys admin.