Dear Newsgroup,

If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"

I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
you think.

Warm Regards,
Sue

Sue wrote:
>"When downtime is NOT an option"
> 
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.


"Can still walk without a cane"

"Even on life support, it can still add 2 and 2 together"

"Adopt a VMS system before it's too late"

"Go back to the good old days of computing: program in Macro on VMS !"

"VMS will still be in use long after HP is dead"


and of course:

		"HP is killing VMS as a 30th birthday present"

In article <b6ecc$46d6f26b$cef8887a$27791@teksavvy.com>,
	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
> Sue wrote:
>>"When downtime is NOT an option"
>> 
>> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
>> you think.
> 
> 
> "Can still walk without a cane"
> 
> "Even on life support, it can still add 2 and 2 together"
> 
> "Adopt a VMS system before it's too late"
> 
> "Go back to the good old days of computing: program in Macro on VMS !"
> 
> "VMS will still be in use long after HP is dead"
> 
> 
> and of course:
> 
> 		"HP is killing VMS as a 30th birthday present"

C'mon JF.  Don't hold back like that.  Tell us what you really think!!  :-)

bill

-- 
Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> C'mon JF.  Don't hold back like that.  Tell us what you really think!!  :-)


This would require a few graphics, but it would be in the tone of the 
Monty Python dead parrot sketch....

	"I assure you, VMS isn't dead"


Or:

	"Despite all attempts, VMS isn't dead yet"


	"VMS, strong enough to survive all attempts to kill it".


"Two companies have died trying to kill VMS, but VMS is still alive."

In article <1188489170.332475.258080@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,  Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> writes:
> Dear Newsgroup,
> 
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
> 
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.

Certainly if the slogan is that good.  That slogan would be fine,
or perhaps "For 30 years, when downtime is NOT an option" (says
the person who does not have to make the text fit).

On 8/30/07, Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup,
>
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.

I inadvertently sent my reply directly to Sue, so here it is for
everyone to see... :-)

Using a slight modification on the old "Don't trust anyone over 30" ...

Don't trust any OS under 30

Ken

On Aug 30, 10:52 am, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup,
>
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Sue


"Cool and unhackable"

"Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1188489170.332475.258080@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> Dear Newsgroup,
>
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Sue
>


"No reboots necessary - just use it"

Syltrem 

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> C'mon JF.  Don't hold back like that.  Tell us what you really think!!  :-)


In a Logan's Run theme:

"VMS is about to turn 30. Come and watch as it enters Caroussel"




(To control the OS population, all OS are sent to be "reborn" on their 
30th birthday).

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> 
> C'mon JF.  Don't hold back like that.  Tell us what you really think!!  :-)


"Still waiting to be adopted by parents who care"

I still think they should have VMS branded condoms with the catch phrase:

"Always Up when you need it".

or

"When staying up for more than 4 hours is perfectly normal"

1) The Operating System for Adults

2) It's What I Play With In The Dark

3) An Operating System For Real Work

4) You Can Neglect It But It Won't Stop Working

5) Viruses? You Must Be Thinking Of A Different Operating System

6) Reboot? .....Why?

7) Better Than Operating Systems Half Its Age

8) Doesn't Need Viagra To Stay Up


all (c) 2007, John Smith. All Rights Reserved.

--will licence the slogans in return for $100 million advertising campaign
for OpenVMS, to be directed by me.

--
OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV
base.

On Aug 30, 1:44 pm, Rich Jordan <jor...@ccs4vms.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 10:52 am, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Newsgroup,
>
> > If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> > last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> > I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> > you think.
>
> > Warm Regards,
> > Sue
>
> "Cool and unhackable"


"Your data is worth it"

"Because your data matters"

"Forestalling doom for 30 years!"

"Clusters for grown-ups"

"Optimized for service and integrity, not games"

"Where would you rather have your critical data?"

"So you don't have to patch, and patch, and patch, and patch, and
patch...."

"Buffer overflows don't get us down"

"Restart, Reboot, Reload, Reformat.... NOT!"

On 08/30/07 13:30, Ken Robinson wrote:
[snip]
> Using a slight modification on the old "Don't trust anyone over 30" ...
> 
> Don't trust any OS under 30

Unix is over 30.  Does that mean we should trust HP-UX?

-- 
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

"Ron Johnson" <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:KAFBi.69200$GO6.38406@newsfe21.lga...
> On 08/30/07 13:30, Ken Robinson wrote:
> [snip]
>> Using a slight modification on the old "Don't trust anyone over 30" ...
>>
>> Don't trust any OS under 30
>
> Unix is over 30.  Does that mean we should trust HP-UX?
>


Yes.  But don't trust JF. 

In article <dabd8$46d71842$cef8887a$25584@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>
>
>I still think they should have VMS branded condoms with the catch phrase:
>
>"Always Up when you need it".
>
>or
>
>"When staying up for more than 4 hours is perfectly normal"


Marty Kuhrt made purple VMS shirts one year and gave them out at a DECUS.
They read:  Can't keep it up?  You need VMS!

He gave one to Rich Marcello!  I have one too in my stash of d|i|g|i|t|a|l
and VMS memorabilia.

-- 
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
           
  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" 

http://tmesis.com/drat.jpg

On Aug 30, 4:19 pm, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> In article <dabd8$46d71842$cef8887a$25...@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> writes:
>
>
>
> >I still think they should have VMS branded condoms with the catch phrase:
>
> >"Always Up when you need it".
>
> >or
>
> >"When staying up for more than 4 hours is perfectly normal"
>
> Marty Kuhrt made purple VMS shirts one year and gave them out at a DECUS.
> They read:  Can't keep it up?  You need VMS!
>
> He gave one to Rich Marcello!  I have one too in my stash of d|i|g|i|t|a|l
> and VMS memorabilia.
>
> --
> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
>
>   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"
>
> http://tmesis.com/drat.jpg

now thats one to one marketing

On Aug 30, 11:52 am, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup,
>
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Sue

You folks are great, I love the suggestions maybe we should get blank
ones and provide letters and folks can make their own ;').

sue

(Stolen from a brokerage commercial...)

When Sue Speaks, People Listen

VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
http://tmesis.com/drat.jpg


$ fetch_http http://tmesis.com/drat.jpg
HTTP/1.0 404 error opening file in request
MIME-version: 1.0
Server: OSU/3.10a;UCX
Content-type: text/plain
Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:06:57 GMT

-ERROR-(404):  i/o error
Requested method: GET
Requested URL:    /drat.jpg
HTTP protocol:    HTTP/1.0

-------- additional request headers --------
Accept: */*
Host: tmesis.com

VMS, where 30 years of stability and compatibility have proven themselves.

VMS, written by serious people for serious people.

FredK wrote:
>> Unix is over 30.  Does that mean we should trust HP-UX?
>>
> Yes.  But don't trust JF. 
> 

Thank you for the compliment ! I think it may be the first time someone 
thinks I am older than 16 :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

In article <16705$46d731b6$cef8887a$31313@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>
>
>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>http://tmesis.com/drat.jpg

How did that get changed to .jpg?

It should read:

http://tmesis.com/drat.html

-- 
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
           
  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" 

http://tmesis.com/drat.html

"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
news:e3714$46d73233$cef8887a$31313@TEKSAVVY.COM...
> VMS, written by serious people for serious people.

  From my readings of the sources for the VAX version, I can say that I
don't think they were always that serious...some of the comments were
extremely funny!
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason@comcast.net

On 08/30/07 16:00, Sue wrote:
> On Aug 30, 4:19 pm, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
[snip]
>>
>> http://tmesis.com/drat.jpg

When I click on that link,this pops up in the web browser (FF 2.0.0.6):

-ERROR-(404):  i/o error
Requested method: GET
Requested URL:    /drat.jpg
HTTP protocol:    HTTP/1.1

-------- additional request headers --------
Host: tmesis.com
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6)
Gecko/20070723 Firefox/2.0.0.6 (Debian-2.0.0.6-1)
Accept:
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive


-- 
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

I made a t-shirt a couple of years ago that read:

I run OpenVMS
I've got it up NOW


Sean

On Aug 30, 1:19 pm, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> In article <dabd8$46d71842$cef8887a$25...@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> writes:
>
>
>
> >I still think they should have VMS branded condoms with the catch phrase:
>
> >"Always Up when you need it".
>
> >or
>
> >"When staying up for more than 4 hours is perfectly normal"
>
> Marty Kuhrt made purple VMS shirts one year and gave them out at a DECUS.
> They read:  Can't keep it up?  You need VMS!
>
> He gave one to Rich Marcello!  I have one too in my stash of d|i|g|i|t|a|l
> and VMS memorabilia.
>
> --
> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
>
>   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"
>
> http://tmesis.com/drat.jpg

Sue wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup,
> 
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
> 
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
> 
> Warm Regards,
> Sue

	"VMS - Still the One !"

	Cheers,  Csaba

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|         http://accounts.zotspot.com/?source=10965&m=l
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:

  He who laughs last probably made a backup.

I run VMS, do you ?


I am not affraid of clusters

I perform well in a cluster.

I like it when many play with my peripherals at the same time.


Does your OS have good documentation ?


My GUI developped before I hit puberty.

(The above is important since so many think that VMS is old character 
cell only).


I was doing email before Windows was born.


Would Windows survive Palmer and Capellas ? VMS did.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sue [mailto:susan_skonetski@hotmail.com]
> Sent: August 30, 2007 11:53 AM
> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
> Subject: VMS License Plates
>
> Dear Newsgroup,
>
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Sue

OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.

:-)


Kerry Main
Senior Consultant
HP Services Canada
Voice: 613-592-4660
Fax: 613-591-4477
kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
(remove the DOT's and AT)

OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sue [mailto:susan_skonetski@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:53 AM
> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
> Subject: VMS License Plates
> 
> Dear Newsgroup,
> 
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
> 
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
> 
> Warm Regards,
> Sue


VMS>=MVS

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sue [mailto:susan_skonetski@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:53 AM
> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
> Subject: VMS License Plates
> 
> Dear Newsgroup,
> 
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
> 
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
> 
> Warm Regards,
> Sue

Got VMS? 

When it absolutely positively has to work in the morning

VMS: Viagra for Computers 

-- 
David J Dachtera
dba DJE Systems
http://www.djesys.com/

Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page
http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/

Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/

Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/

Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/

Sue wrote:
> 
> On Aug 30, 11:52 am, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Newsgroup,
> >
> > If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> > last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
> >
> > I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> > you think.
> >
> > Warm Regards,
> > Sue
> 
> You folks are great, I love the suggestions maybe we should get blank
> ones and provide letters and folks can make their own ;').

Hey! Better Still!!!

-- 
David J Dachtera
dba DJE Systems
http://www.djesys.com/

Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page
http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/

Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/

Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/

Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/

"Lee K. Gleason" wrote:
> 
> "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> news:e3714$46d73233$cef8887a$31313@TEKSAVVY.COM...
> > VMS, written by serious people for serious people.
> 
>   From my readings of the sources for the VAX version, I can say that I
> don't think they were always that serious...some of the comments were
> extremely funny!

Fish mentioned in error messages?

Wombats mentioned in HELP? (I know - that's DTR, not VMS!)

-- 
David J Dachtera
dba DJE Systems
http://www.djesys.com/

Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page
http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/

Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/

Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/

Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/

Sue wrote:
> 
> Dear Newsgroup,
> 
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
> 
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
> 
> Warm Regards,
> Sue

VMS: Kevin Mitnick's Waterloo

....and if he takes it as a challenge, we'll be able to use this headline
afterward:

VMS BEATS RECIDIVIST HACKER AGAIN

How 'bout:
VMS: A Hacker's Worst Nightmare

Was VMS the only o.s. ever banned from the DEFCON Hacker's convention? If so:
VMS: Only OS ever banned from DEFCON

VMS: Even Survived 21st Century Corporate America

The VMS Muchachos:
"We don't need no stinkin' EULA!"

-- 
David J Dachtera
dba DJE Systems
http://www.djesys.com/

Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page
http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/

Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/

Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/

Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/

In article <39033$46d76794$cef8887a$22000@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>I was doing email before Windows was born.

Yup. I started doing email in March 1983, with VMS


Great statement, folks. Many are too long for a license plate.
And many need to word "VMS" (or "OpenVMS") to make perfect sense
(but then, they are even longer)...

Keep shouting

-- 
Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
Network and OpenVMS system specialist
E-mail  peter@langstoeger.at
A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist

On Aug 30, 9:30 pm, David J Dachtera <djesys...@spam.comcast.net>
wrote:
> Sue wrote:
>
> > Dear Newsgroup,
>
> > If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> > last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> > I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> > you think.
>
> > Warm Regards,
> > Sue
>
> VMS: Kevin Mitnick's Waterloo
>
> ...and if he takes it as a challenge, we'll be able to use this headline
> afterward:
>
> VMS BEATS RECIDIVIST HACKER AGAIN
>
> How 'bout:
> VMS: A Hacker's Worst Nightmare
>
> Was VMS the only o.s. ever banned from the DEFCON Hacker's convention? If so:
> VMS: Only OS ever banned from DEFCON
>
> VMS: Even Survived 21st Century Corporate America
>
> The VMS Muchachos:
> "We don't need no stinkin' EULA!"
>
> --
> David J Dachtera
> dba DJE Systemshttp://www.djesys.com/
>
> Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Pagehttp://www.djesys.com/vms/market/
>
> Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/
>
> Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/
>
> Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/


"Experience Extended Uptimes with VMS"

In article <39033$46d76794$cef8887a$22000@teksavvy.com>,
	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
> 
> I was doing email before Windows was born.

Just out of curiosity, when did VMS first have the ability to send
Email between different machines?

bill

-- 
Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article <39033$46d76794$cef8887a$22000@teksavvy.com>,
> 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
> 
>>I was doing email before Windows was born.
> 
> 
> Just out of curiosity, when did VMS first have the ability to send
> Email between different machines?

1977 (at least for any system outside of development).

Mark Berryman

In article <46d8262d$1@mvb.saic.com>,
	Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> writes:
> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> In article <39033$46d76794$cef8887a$22000@teksavvy.com>,
>> 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>> 
>>>I was doing email before Windows was born.
>> 
>> 
>> Just out of curiosity, when did VMS first have the ability to send
>> Email between different machines?
> 
> 1977 (at least for any system outside of development).
 
Now there's real talent for you.  They were sending Email between machines
using VMS before it even existed!!


http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/32-bit.htm

     October 1977:
         Introduction of the VAX-11/780, the first member of the VAX computer family.
     February 1978:
         V1.0 of the VMS operating system ships.

http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Timeline

     1978: VAX-11/VMS released

http://hampage.hu/vax/e_main.html
      
     1977. Introduction of the VAX-11/780 "supermini" computer 
     1978. VMS1.0 shipped

http://www.byte.com/art/9611/sec5/art1.htm

     April 1978:      First VAX shipped, with a preliminary version of VMS.
     August 1978:     VMS 1.0 ships.

Now, could someone provide the real answer?  When did DECNET first come
into existence?  Was there any serial machine-to-machine protocol for 
VMS before the first port of UUCP?

bill

-- 
Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   

In article <46d7d830$1@news.langstoeger.at>, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote:
[...]
>Great statement, folks. Many are too long for a license plate.

On top of the licesnse plate:

(Open)VMS: $exit 2928

On the bottom:

%SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
[...]

Hi Sue,

Here's my two: -

"Sometimes it just has to be done right." (Could be prefixed with "'Cos", or
have an exclamation mark at the end, "has to be" -v- "gotta"?).

or

"VMS - For banjo-plucking xenophobes"

Cheers Richard Maher

"Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188489170.332475.258080@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> Dear Newsgroup,
>
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Sue
>

VMS may be celebrating its 30th anniversary soon. But OpenVMS will only 
be celebrating its roughly 15th birthday (or less). So for the 30th 
anniversary, the current owners should give VMS due respect and call it VMS.

Mayve we can get the Afghani's or the Kurds to begin using VMS - them we can
have:

OpenVMS - The Official Operating System of  ... insert country here...




Sue wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup,
>
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Sue

--
OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV
base.

Brad Hamilton wrote:
> In article <46d7d830$1@news.langstoeger.at>, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote:
> [...]
>> Great statement, folks. Many are too long for a license plate.
> 
> On top of the licesnse plate:
> 
> (Open)VMS: $exit 2928
> 
> On the bottom:
> 
> %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> [...]

Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1
[snip]
$ exit 2928
%SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
$ exit 2930
%SYSTEM-E-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
$ exit 2932
%SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
$ exit 2934
%SYSTEM-?-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
$ logo


"They" missed:

     %SYSTEM-I-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels

8-) 8-)

Jeff





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In article <5jrhc8F10ehbU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
> In article <46d8262d$1@mvb.saic.com>,
> 	Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> writes:
>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> In article <39033$46d76794$cef8887a$22000@teksavvy.com>,
>>> 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>>> 
>>>>I was doing email before Windows was born.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just out of curiosity, when did VMS first have the ability to send
>>> Email between different machines?
>> 
>> 1977 (at least for any system outside of development).
>  
> Now there's real talent for you.  They were sending Email between machines
> using VMS before it even existed!!
> 
> 
> http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/32-bit.htm
> 
>      October 1977:
>          Introduction of the VAX-11/780, the first member of the VAX computer family.
>      February 1978:
>          V1.0 of the VMS operating system ships.

I am pretty sure there was a field test in 1987.  I remember stories
of sites running something called "Baselevel 5".  One of the pioneer
VMS sites and early field test was a university machine whose system
manager was named Wilson.  He had plenty to say about the lack of
indexed files in VMS V1 for him to log in.

On 08/31/07 17:00, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Now, could someone provide the real answer?  When did DECNET first come
> into existence?

1975.  I wouldn't be surprised if network email arrive in Phase II
(1976) or Phase III (1980).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DECnet
    DECnet is a suite of network protocols created by Digital
    Equipment Corporation, originally released in 1975 in order
    to connect two PDP-11 minicomputers. It evolved into one of
    the first peer-to-peer network architectures, thus transforming
    DEC into a networking powerhouse in the 1980s.

>                 Was there any serial machine-to-machine protocol for 
> VMS before the first port of UUCP?

DECnet III supported X.25.

-- 
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

In article <Vu4Ci.61848$lZ7.34321@newsfe20.lga>,
	Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> writes:
> On 08/31/07 17:00, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> [snip]
>> 
>> Now, could someone provide the real answer?  When did DECNET first come
>> into existence?
> 
> 1975.  I wouldn't be surprised if network email arrive in Phase II
> (1976) or Phase III (1980).
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DECnet
>     DECnet is a suite of network protocols created by Digital
>     Equipment Corporation, originally released in 1975 in order
>     to connect two PDP-11 minicomputers. It evolved into one of
>     the first peer-to-peer network architectures, thus transforming
>     DEC into a networking powerhouse in the 1980s.
> 
>>                 Was there any serial machine-to-machine protocol for 
>> VMS before the first port of UUCP?
> 
> DECnet III supported X.25.
> 

OK, I worded that wrong.  I knew tere was DECNET for the PDP-11.
When was DECNET first avalable for VMS and was there any other
inter-machine protocol before that?

bill

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Sue wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup,
> 
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
> 
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
> 
> Warm Regards,
> Sue
> 
HP OpenVMS - Not even HP management can shut it down.

on 1-9-2007 13:10 Bill Gunshannon wrote...

> OK, I worded that wrong.  I knew tere was DECNET for the PDP-11.
> When was DECNET first avalable for VMS and was there any other
> inter-machine protocol before that?

 From an unbiased source:
http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/software.htm

"[VMS] V1.0 featured FORTRAN IV and DECnet, a 64 megabyte memory limit, 
an event driven priority scheduler, process swapper, process 
deletion/creation/control, I/O post processing and AST delivery"

VMS 1.0 with DECnet shipped in February 1978. February 1980 saw DECnet 
Phase III

/Wilm

In article <46d9a8e8$0$25478$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl>, Wilm Boerhout <w5OLD.PAINTboerhout@planet.nl> writes:
> on 1-9-2007 13:10 Bill Gunshannon wrote...
> 
>> OK, I worded that wrong.  I knew tere was DECNET for the PDP-11.
>> When was DECNET first avalable for VMS and was there any other
>> inter-machine protocol before that?
> 
>  From an unbiased source:
> http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/software.htm
> 
> "[VMS] V1.0 featured FORTRAN IV and DECnet, a 64 megabyte memory limit, 
> an event driven priority scheduler, process swapper, process 
> deletion/creation/control, I/O post processing and AST delivery"
> 
> VMS 1.0 with DECnet shipped in February 1978. February 1980 saw DECnet 
> Phase III

But since Bill's quote above is the "corrected" wording, the question
"was there any other inter-machine protocol before that?" could mean
to include non-VMS protocols, so ANF-10 (a predecessor to DECnet) might
qualify.

on 1-9-2007 22:18 Larry Kilgallen wrote...
III
> 
> But since Bill's quote above is the "corrected" wording, the question
> "was there any other inter-machine protocol before that?" could mean
> to include non-VMS protocols, so ANF-10 (a predecessor to DECnet) might
> qualify.

Since DECnet shipped with VMS 1.0, on what predecessor of that OS 
version on VAX(-11) would that protocol run? I imagine that in the 
STAR/STARLET labs, a lot was running that was not shipped in the final 
VMS 1.0

/Wilm

Jeff Campbell wrote:
> Brad Hamilton wrote:
>> In article <46d7d830$1@news.langstoeger.at>, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER 
>> wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Great statement, folks. Many are too long for a license plate.
>>
>> On top of the licesnse plate:
>>
>> (Open)VMS: $exit 2928
>>
>> On the bottom:
>>
>> %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>> [...]
> 
> Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1
> [snip]
> $ exit 2928
> %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> $ exit 2930
> %SYSTEM-E-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> $ exit 2932
> %SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> $ exit 2934
> %SYSTEM-?-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> $ logo
> 
> 
> "They" missed:
> 
>     %SYSTEM-I-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> 
> 8-) 8-)

Well, yes and no.

$ exit 2929
$ write sys$output f$message(2929)
%SYSTEM-S-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
$ exit 2931
$ write sys$ooutput f$message(2931)
%SYSTEM-I-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
$

I don't recall at the moment whether there's a way to force DCL,
or more precisely, to force EXIT to display Success and Informational
severity messages.

For those who are too new to understand why the various statii all
produce the same message text, note that a message code, e.g., 2932,
has various fields in it, and the least significant 3 bits give the
severity (valid severities are 0-4); the same message mnemonic and text
can be displayed with different severities and, indeed, different
facilities.  Here, for example:

$ exit 134002
%DEBUG-E-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
$

:-) :-) :-)

    -Ken
-- 
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Where: Gmail dot Com

Ken Fairfield wrote:
> Jeff Campbell wrote:
>> Brad Hamilton wrote:
>>> In article <46d7d830$1@news.langstoeger.at>, Peter 'EPLAN' 
>>> LANGSTOeGER wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> Great statement, folks. Many are too long for a license plate.
>>>
>>> On top of the licesnse plate:
>>>
>>> (Open)VMS: $exit 2928
>>>
>>> On the bottom:
>>>
>>> %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>>> [...]
>>
>> Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1
>> [snip]
>> $ exit 2928
>> %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>> $ exit 2930
>> %SYSTEM-E-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>> $ exit 2932
>> %SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>> $ exit 2934
>> %SYSTEM-?-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>> $ logo
>>
>>
>> "They" missed:
>>
>>     %SYSTEM-I-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>>
>> 8-) 8-)
> 
> Well, yes and no.
> 
> $ exit 2929
> $ write sys$output f$message(2929)
> %SYSTEM-S-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> $ exit 2931
> $ write sys$ooutput f$message(2931)
> %SYSTEM-I-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> $
> 
> I don't recall at the moment whether there's a way to force DCL,
> or more precisely, to force EXIT to display Success and Informational
> severity messages.
> 
> For those who are too new to understand why the various statii all
> produce the same message text, note that a message code, e.g., 2932,
> has various fields in it, and the least significant 3 bits give the
> severity (valid severities are 0-4); the same message mnemonic and text
> can be displayed with different severities and, indeed, different
> facilities.  Here, for example:
> 
> $ exit 134002
> %DEBUG-E-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> $
> 
> :-) :-) :-)
> 
>    -Ken

Not on my system... The odd numbers are successful of course.

  Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1

$ exit 2928
%SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
$ exit 2929
$ exit 2930
%SYSTEM-E-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
$ exit 2931
$ exit 2932
%SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
$
$ exit 134002
%DEBUG-E-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
$


Jeff

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Wilm Boerhout <w5OLD.PAINTboerhout@planet.nl> writes:

> on 1-9-2007 22:18 Larry Kilgallen wrote...

>> But since Bill's quote above is the "corrected" wording, the question
>> "was there any other inter-machine protocol before that?" could mean
>> to include non-VMS protocols, so ANF-10 (a predecessor to DECnet) might
>> qualify.

> Since DECnet shipped with VMS 1.0, on what predecessor of that OS 
> version on VAX(-11) would that protocol run? I imagine that in the 
> STAR/STARLET labs, a lot was running that was not shipped in the final 
> VMS 1.0

The "-10" in the name will be a clue to those old enough.  Suffice it to say
that it never, *ever* ran on a VAX.

As far as non-VAX, non-VMS networking protocols, there's always the original
ARPANET IMP-based protocol suite (where e-mail was handled by a hack to FTP).

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Jeff Campbell wrote:
> Ken Fairfield wrote:
>> Jeff Campbell wrote:

[big snip]

>>> "They" missed:
>>>
>>>     %SYSTEM-I-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>>>
>>> 8-) 8-)
>>
>> Well, yes and no.
>>
>> $ exit 2929
>> $ write sys$output f$message(2929)
>> %SYSTEM-S-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>> $ exit 2931
>> $ write sys$ooutput f$message(2931)
>> %SYSTEM-I-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>> $
>>
>> I don't recall at the moment whether there's a way to force DCL,
>> or more precisely, to force EXIT to display Success and Informational
>> severity messages.

[more snippage]

> 
> Not on my system... The odd numbers are successful of course.
> 

I'm missing the context here; *what* is "Not on my system..."?

>  Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1
> 
> $ exit 2928
> %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> $ exit 2929
> $ exit 2930
> %SYSTEM-E-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> $ exit 2931
> $ exit 2932
> %SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> $
> $ exit 134002
> %DEBUG-E-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
> $

I think you've just demonstrated my remark about EXIT not displaying
success or informational severity messages.  Was there something else?

I guess my initial remark in post you followed-up, in response to
'"They" missed:', would better have been stated , "Well yes, and
the -S- version."

     -Ken
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Ken Fairfield wrote:
> Jeff Campbell wrote:
>> Ken Fairfield wrote:
>>> Jeff Campbell wrote:
> 
> [big snip]
> 
>>>> "They" missed:
>>>>
>>>>     %SYSTEM-I-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>>>>
>>>> 8-) 8-)
>>>
>>> Well, yes and no.
>>>
>>> $ exit 2929
>>> $ write sys$output f$message(2929)
>>> %SYSTEM-S-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>>> $ exit 2931
>>> $ write sys$ooutput f$message(2931)
>>> %SYSTEM-I-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>>> $
>>>
>>> I don't recall at the moment whether there's a way to force DCL,
>>> or more precisely, to force EXIT to display Success and Informational
>>> severity messages.
> 
> [more snippage]
> 
>>
>> Not on my system... The odd numbers are successful of course.
>>
> 
> I'm missing the context here; *what* is "Not on my system..."?
> 
>>  Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1
>>
>> $ exit 2928
>> %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>> $ exit 2929
>> $ exit 2930
>> %SYSTEM-E-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>> $ exit 2931
>> $ exit 2932
>> %SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>> $
>> $ exit 134002
>> %DEBUG-E-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
>> $
> 
> I think you've just demonstrated my remark about EXIT not displaying
> success or informational severity messages.  Was there something else?

No. 8-) 8-)

I didn't think to try the lexical even though it was right there
in your reply.

> 
> I guess my initial remark in post you followed-up, in response to
> '"They" missed:', would better have been stated , "Well yes, and
> the -S- version."
> 
>     -Ken

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In article <5jqvmnFtrjmU2@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
> In article <39033$46d76794$cef8887a$22000@teksavvy.com>,
> 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>> 
>> I was doing email before Windows was born.
> 
> Just out of curiosity, when did VMS first have the ability to send
> Email between different machines?

   When DECnet was put on it.  This dates back at least to VMS 2.x, I
   first read the DECnet manuals that shipped with 2.2. It might have
   been earlier but we didn't do networking back in the shop where I
   used 1.x.

In article <5jsvlmF14tjjU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
> 
> OK, I worded that wrong.  I knew tere was DECNET for the PDP-11.
> When was DECNET first avalable for VMS and was there any other
> inter-machine protocol before that?

   Before DECnet, there was RS-232.  To be usefull you wanted something
   higher than RS-232 so somebody ported uucp and called it VAXnet.  I
   had system running both DECnet and VAXnet, but I don't know if the
   VAXnet port was done before DECnet became available.

On 09/04/07 07:52, Bob Koehler wrote:
> In article <5jsvlmF14tjjU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>> OK, I worded that wrong.  I knew tere was DECNET for the PDP-11.
>> When was DECNET first avalable for VMS and was there any other
>> inter-machine protocol before that?
> 
>    Before DECnet, there was RS-232.

But RS-232 was/is only the h/w layer, no?

>                                     To be usefull you wanted something
>    higher than RS-232 so somebody ported uucp and called it VAXnet.  I
>    had system running both DECnet and VAXnet, but I don't know if the
>    VAXnet port was done before DECnet became available.
> 


-- 
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Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

on 4-9-2007 22:53 Ron Johnson wrote...

> 
> But RS-232 was/is only the h/w layer, no?

Yeah, but I thought about Kermit too, layered on top of RS-232. Would 
that constitute a networking protocol (node-to-node). Kermit certainly 
ran on PDP-11's and on later VAxen. It could have predated DECnet-VAX on 
VMS 1.0 by a few weeks. Isn't this fun?

/Wilm

On 09/04/07 16:20, Wilm Boerhout wrote:
> on 4-9-2007 22:53 Ron Johnson wrote...
> 
>>
>> But RS-232 was/is only the h/w layer, no?
> 
> Yeah, but I thought about Kermit too, layered on top of RS-232. Would
> that constitute a networking protocol (node-to-node). Kermit certainly
> ran on PDP-11's and on later VAxen. It could have predated DECnet-VAX on
> VMS 1.0 by a few weeks. Isn't this fun?

Is a protocol an implementation or a specification?

-- 
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Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

Wilm Boerhout wrote:
> on 4-9-2007 22:53 Ron Johnson wrote...
> 
>>
>> But RS-232 was/is only the h/w layer, no?
> 
> 
> Yeah, but I thought about Kermit too, layered on top of RS-232. Would 
> that constitute a networking protocol (node-to-node). Kermit certainly 
> ran on PDP-11's and on later VAxen. It could have predated DECnet-VAX on 
> VMS 1.0 by a few weeks. Isn't this fun?
> 
> /Wilm

Real men use XMODEM!

On 09/04/07 17:15, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> Wilm Boerhout wrote:
>> on 4-9-2007 22:53 Ron Johnson wrote...
>>
>>>
>>> But RS-232 was/is only the h/w layer, no?
>>
>>
>> Yeah, but I thought about Kermit too, layered on top of RS-232. Would
>> that constitute a networking protocol (node-to-node). Kermit certainly
>> ran on PDP-11's and on later VAxen. It could have predated DECnet-VAX
>> on VMS 1.0 by a few weeks. Isn't this fun?
>>
>> /Wilm
> 
> Real men use XMODEM!

Hunhh.

I gladly gave up on XMODEM right around the time I got a 1200 bps
modem.  3 cheers for ZMODEM!!!!

It's a heck of a lot more bandwidth efficient than FTP.

-- 
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

OK, I was inspired by one of Mr Vaxman's posts, so most of the credit 
should go to him :-)

(This would require Sue start a subsidiary that makes VMS soap. This 
way, she would be able to market "VMS" without any restrictions from HP 
corporate who prohibit marketing of the VMS operating system).

<scene reminiscent of the original Irish Spring soap TV commercials, 
some guy taking some outdoor shower naked, but with private bits hidden 
by some prop>.

	VAXman: I love every inch of my VMS !

	Mrs VAXman: and I like it too !!!!!



:-)

Wilm Boerhout <w5OLD.PAINTboerhout@planet.nl> writes:

> Yeah, but I thought about Kermit too, layered on top of RS-232. Would 
> that constitute a networking protocol (node-to-node). Kermit certainly 
> ran on PDP-11's and on later VAxen. It could have predated DECnet-VAX on 
> VMS 1.0 by a few weeks. Isn't this fun?

According to Frank da Cruz's history of computing at Columbia, Bill Catchings
and he did the original Kermit protocol design in April, 1981, long after the
advent of the VAX and VMS and even DECnet.

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--------------
Then I started a list  of words that describe VMS and VMS engineering
and community

Secure, artistic, elegant, stable, reliable, rock solid, survivor,
cohesive, work together, unhacked, smart, strong, current (trying to
find a word that means "with it")

Some clarification around the license plates

the top left corner there is a small hp logo then top center there is
the New Hampshire state moto (Live Free or Die) top right corner there
is the year 2007.  In the center there is a  2 to 2 1/2 inch OpenVMS
and across the bottom is the slogan

The following are the slogans that have been submitted so far that
were not under copywrite, did not mention a persons name that we would
have to get permission from, I did leave is some of the funny ones but
we will have to narrow it down and then vote in a week or so.  More on
that later.  Now just looking for more ideas.

Warm Regards as always
Sue

Don't trust any OS under 30

Cool and unhackable

Your data is worth it

Because your data matters

Forestalling doom for 30 years!"

Clusters for grown-ups

Optimized for service and integrity, not games

Where would you rather have your critical data?

So you don't have to patch, and patch, and patch, and patch, and
patch...."

Buffer overflows don't get us down

Restart, Reboot, Reload, Reformat.... NOT!

No reboots necessary - just use it

Always Up when you need it

When staying up for more than 4 hours is perfectly normal

I run VMS, do you ?

I am not afraid of clusters

When it absolutely positively has to work in the morning

I perform well in a cluster.

3 Decades.  3 Architectures.  Still going!

3 Decades.  3 Architectures.  Still Strong!

3 Decades.  3 Architectures.  Still the Best!

I like it when many play with my peripherals at the same time.

Does your OS have good documentation ?

My GUI developed before I hit puberty.

I was doing email before Windows was born.

On Sep 5, 2:40 pm, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>...
> that later.  Now just looking for more ideas.
>...

Keeping your data secure for 30 years.

On Sep 5, 1:40 pm, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Some clarification around the license plates
>
> the top left corner there is a small hp logo then top center there is
> the New Hampshire state moto (Live Free or Die) top right corner there
> is the year 2007.  In the center there is a  2 to 2 1/2 inch OpenVMS
> and across the bottom is the slogan
>
> The following are the slogans that have been submitted so far that
> were not under copywrite, did not mention a persons name that we would
> have to get permission from, I did leave is some of the funny ones but
> we will have to narrow it down and then vote in a week or so.  More on
> that later.  Now just looking for more ideas.
>
> Warm Regards as always
> Sue
>
..
..
..

I wish there was a way to encapsulate in a few words the fact that our
VAX had its last VMS installation in 1983-4 (before my time), and our
Alpha in 1995.  Since then we have applied VMS upgrades, sometimes
also copying the existing system disk to a newer/larger drive or newer
interface type for an upgraded system, but we have NOT ever needed to
do a reformat/reinstall of the operating system.  There's little bits
of VMS V4.1 (and maybe older, I'm not certain) on the VAX system disk,
and 6.1 on the Alpha's, with file creation dates to match.

Not to mention the fact that our 1989 vintage VS3100-30 workstation,
our 1992 vintage MicroVAX, and I think the 1993 vintage AXP PC-150
(belongs to someone else now) are still running just fine, thanks,
after many, many years of 24x7 service.

VMS, the closest you can get to eternal computing.

VMS, to eternity, and beyond!

VMS, prepared for Y10K and beyond!

And apologies in advance...

If you've got your Windows grippin'
on your data, but its slippin'
to the hackers that are nippin'
at your door...

Just remember 'bout the Vaxen
that your bosses said were taxin'
and the Gartner boys were blastin'
all the more...

'Cause back then you could be sleepin'
While your consoles were a-beepin'
with the hacker's failed beatin'
at the core...

But your future is a keepin'
up with expoits of the week 'n
So with windows you'll be sleepin'
Nevermore

In article <1189005659.996021.193080@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,  Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> writes:

> Where uptime is measured in years

Shorter is better:

	VMS: Uptime measured in years

On Sep 5, 6:36 pm, Rich Jordan <jor...@ccs4vms.com> wrote:
> On Sep 5, 1:40 pm, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Some clarification around the license plates
>
> > the top left corner there is a small hp logo then top center there is
> > the New Hampshire state moto (Live Free or Die) top right corner there
> > is the year 2007.  In the center there is a  2 to 2 1/2 inch OpenVMS
> > and across the bottom is the slogan
>
> > The following are the slogans that have been submitted so far that
> > were not under copywrite, did not mention a persons name that we would
> > have to get permission from, I did leave is some of the funny ones but
> > we will have to narrow it down and then vote in a week or so.  More on
> > that later.  Now just looking for more ideas.
>
> > Warm Regards as always
> > Sue
>
> .
> .
> .
>
> I wish there was a way to encapsulate in a few words the fact that our
> VAX had its last VMS installation in 1983-4 (before my time), and our
> Alpha in 1995.  Since then we have applied VMS upgrades, sometimes
> also copying the existing system disk to a newer/larger drive or newer
> interface type for an upgraded system, but we have NOT ever needed to
> do a reformat/reinstall of the operating system.  There's little bits
> of VMS V4.1 (and maybe older, I'm not certain) on the VAX system disk,
> and 6.1 on the Alpha's, with file creation dates to match.
>
> Not to mention the fact that our 1989 vintage VS3100-30 workstation,
> our 1992 vintage MicroVAX, and I think the 1993 vintage AXP PC-150
> (belongs to someone else now) are still running just fine, thanks,
> after many, many years of 24x7 service.
>
> VMS, the closest you can get to eternal computing.
>
> VMS, to eternity, and beyond!
>
> VMS, prepared for Y10K and beyond!
>
> And apologies in advance...
>
> If you've got your Windows grippin'
> on your data, but its slippin'
> to the hackers that are nippin'
> at your door...
>
> Just remember 'bout the Vaxen
> that your bosses said were taxin'
> and the Gartner boys were blastin'
> all the more...
>
> 'Cause back then you could be sleepin'
> While your consoles were a-beepin'
> with the hacker's failed beatin'
> at the core...
>
> But your future is a keepin'
> up with expoits of the week 'n
> So with windows you'll be sleepin'
> Nevermore- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dear Rich,

That is pretty amazing.  I just forwarded it to myself so I can send
to the VMS Engineering group, I think they will like it.

Two more slogans for me

VMS, the best is still to be.
VMS - Where scurity is not a layered product

In article <1189095456.211518.139450@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>
>On Sep 5, 6:36 pm, Rich Jordan <jor...@ccs4vms.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 5, 1:40 pm, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Some clarification around the license plates
>>
>> > the top left corner there is a small hp logo then top center there is
>> > the New Hampshire state moto (Live Free or Die) top right corner there
>> > is the year 2007.  In the center there is a  2 to 2 1/2 inch OpenVMS
>> > and across the bottom is the slogan
>>
>> > The following are the slogans that have been submitted so far that
>> > were not under copywrite, did not mention a persons name that we would
>> > have to get permission from, I did leave is some of the funny ones but
>> > we will have to narrow it down and then vote in a week or so.  More on
>> > that later.  Now just looking for more ideas.
>>
>> > Warm Regards as always
>> > Sue
>>
>> .
>> .
>> .
>>
>> I wish there was a way to encapsulate in a few words the fact that our
>> VAX had its last VMS installation in 1983-4 (before my time), and our
>> Alpha in 1995.  Since then we have applied VMS upgrades, sometimes
>> also copying the existing system disk to a newer/larger drive or newer
>> interface type for an upgraded system, but we have NOT ever needed to
>> do a reformat/reinstall of the operating system.  There's little bits
>> of VMS V4.1 (and maybe older, I'm not certain) on the VAX system disk,
>> and 6.1 on the Alpha's, with file creation dates to match.
>>
>> Not to mention the fact that our 1989 vintage VS3100-30 workstation,
>> our 1992 vintage MicroVAX, and I think the 1993 vintage AXP PC-150
>> (belongs to someone else now) are still running just fine, thanks,
>> after many, many years of 24x7 service.
>>
>> VMS, the closest you can get to eternal computing.
>>
>> VMS, to eternity, and beyond!
>>
>> VMS, prepared for Y10K and beyond!
>>
>> And apologies in advance...
>>
>> If you've got your Windows grippin'
>> on your data, but its slippin'
>> to the hackers that are nippin'
>> at your door...
>>
>> Just remember 'bout the Vaxen
>> that your bosses said were taxin'
>> and the Gartner boys were blastin'
>> all the more...
>>
>> 'Cause back then you could be sleepin'
>> While your consoles were a-beepin'
>> with the hacker's failed beatin'
>> at the core...
>>
>> But your future is a keepin'
>> up with expoits of the week 'n
>> So with windows you'll be sleepin'
>> Nevermore- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Dear Rich,
>
>That is pretty amazing.  I just forwarded it to myself so I can send
>to the VMS Engineering group, I think they will like it.
>
>Two more slogans for me
>
>VMS, the best is still to be.
>VMS - Where scurity is not a layered product
>

3rd decade. 3rd platform. 3rd owner. 1st rate!

-- 
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
           
  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" 

http://tmesis.com/drat.html

On Sep 6, 11:17 am, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 5, 6:36 pm, Rich Jordan <jor...@ccs4vms.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 5, 1:40 pm, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Some clarification around the license plates
>
> > > the top left corner there is a small hp logo then top center there is
> > > the New Hampshire state moto (Live Free or Die) top right corner there
> > > is the year 2007.  In the center there is a  2 to 2 1/2 inch OpenVMS
> > > and across the bottom is the slogan
>
> > > The following are the slogans that have been submitted so far that
> > > were not under copywrite, did not mention a persons name that we would
> > > have to get permission from, I did leave is some of the funny ones but
> > > we will have to narrow it down and then vote in a week or so.  More on
> > > that later.  Now just looking for more ideas.
>
> > > Warm Regards as always
> > > Sue
>
> > .
> > .
> > .
>
> > I wish there was a way to encapsulate in a few words the fact that our
> > VAX had its last VMS installation in 1983-4 (before my time), and our
> > Alpha in 1995.  Since then we have applied VMS upgrades, sometimes
> > also copying the existing system disk to a newer/larger drive or newer
> > interface type for an upgraded system, but we have NOT ever needed to
> > do a reformat/reinstall of the operating system.  There's little bits
> > of VMS V4.1 (and maybe older, I'm not certain) on the VAX system disk,
> > and 6.1 on the Alpha's, with file creation dates to match.
>
> > Not to mention the fact that our 1989 vintage VS3100-30 workstation,
> > our 1992 vintage MicroVAX, and I think the 1993 vintage AXP PC-150
> > (belongs to someone else now) are still running just fine, thanks,
> > after many, many years of 24x7 service.
>
> > VMS, the closest you can get to eternal computing.
>
> > VMS, to eternity, and beyond!
>
> > VMS, prepared for Y10K and beyond!
>
> > And apologies in advance...
>
> > If you've got your Windows grippin'
> > on your data, but its slippin'
> > to the hackers that are nippin'
> > at your door...
>
> > Just remember 'bout the Vaxen
> > that your bosses said were taxin'
> > and the Gartner boys were blastin'
> > all the more...
>
> > 'Cause back then you could be sleepin'
> > While your consoles were a-beepin'
> > with the hacker's failed beatin'
> > at the core...
>
> > But your future is a keepin'
> > up with expoits of the week 'n
> > So with windows you'll be sleepin'
> > Nevermore- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Dear Rich,
>
> That is pretty amazing.  I just forwarded it to myself so I can send
> to the VMS Engineering group, I think they will like it.
>
> Two more slogans for me
>
> VMS, the best is still to be.
> VMS - Where scurity is not a layered product

Doggerel is not amazing, but thank you ;)

Mild tweaks (layered product may not be the most well known term)

VMS - Security is NOT an afterthought
VMS - Security is NOT an add-on
VMS - The Best is Yet to Be

also

VMS - you wouldn't want windows controlling nukes
VMS - Illuc ivi, illud feci      ( (its) been there, done that)
VMS - "hot standby" is for wimps!
Silly rabbit, windows is for kids!

I'm running low, as the above clearly atests.

Gets better with age

Build on a good thing

Solid foundations for your business

The rock solid dependable OS

The adult operating system

In article <c18cf$46e0321f$cef8887a$11281@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>
>
>Gets better with age
>
>Build on a good thing
>
>Solid foundations for your business
>
>The rock solid dependable OS
>
>The adult operating system

This last one sounds like it should come with a TV-MA rating.

-- 
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
           
  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" 

http://tmesis.com/drat.html

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article <46d8262d$1@mvb.saic.com>,
> 	Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> writes:
> 
>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>
>>>In article <39033$46d76794$cef8887a$22000@teksavvy.com>,
>>>	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was doing email before Windows was born.
>>>
>>>
>>>Just out of curiosity, when did VMS first have the ability to send
>>>Email between different machines?
>>
>>1977 (at least for any system outside of development).
> 
>  
> Now there's real talent for you.  They were sending Email between machines
> using VMS before it even existed!!
> 
> 
> http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/32-bit.htm
> 
>      October 1977:
>          Introduction of the VAX-11/780, the first member of the VAX computer family.
>      February 1978:
>          V1.0 of the VMS operating system ships.
> 
> http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Timeline
> 
>      1978: VAX-11/VMS released
> 
> http://hampage.hu/vax/e_main.html
>       
>      1977. Introduction of the VAX-11/780 "supermini" computer 
>      1978. VMS1.0 shipped
> 
> http://www.byte.com/art/9611/sec5/art1.htm
> 
>      April 1978:      First VAX shipped, with a preliminary version of VMS.
>      August 1978:     VMS 1.0 ships.
> 
> Now, could someone provide the real answer?  When did DECNET first come
> into existence?  Was there any serial machine-to-machine protocol for 
> VMS before the first port of UUCP?

The answer given was the real answer.  A VAX-11/780 connected to several 
PDP-11 systems (PDP-11/44 and PDP-11/70 systems as I recall).  Email was 
being exchanged between these systems as well as files.  All in 1977.

Exactly what do you think was running on that VAX-11/780 that was first 
introduced in 1977?  Why do you think the 30th anniversary of VMS is 
this year, not next year?

Mark Berryman

Sue wrote:
> On Sep 5, 6:36 pm, Rich Jordan <jor...@ccs4vms.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 5, 1:40 pm, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Some clarification around the license plates
>>> the top left corner there is a small hp logo then top center there is
>>> the New Hampshire state moto (Live Free or Die) top right corner there
>>> is the year 2007.  In the center there is a  2 to 2 1/2 inch OpenVMS
>>> and across the bottom is the slogan
>>> The following are the slogans that have been submitted so far that
>>> were not under copywrite, did not mention a persons name that we would
>>> have to get permission from, I did leave is some of the funny ones but
>>> we will have to narrow it down and then vote in a week or so.  More on
>>> that later.  Now just looking for more ideas.
>>> Warm Regards as always
>>> Sue
>> .
>> .
>> .
>>
>> I wish there was a way to encapsulate in a few words the fact that our
>> VAX had its last VMS installation in 1983-4 (before my time), and our
>> Alpha in 1995.  Since then we have applied VMS upgrades, sometimes
>> also copying the existing system disk to a newer/larger drive or newer
>> interface type for an upgraded system, but we have NOT ever needed to
>> do a reformat/reinstall of the operating system.  There's little bits
>> of VMS V4.1 (and maybe older, I'm not certain) on the VAX system disk,
>> and 6.1 on the Alpha's, with file creation dates to match.
>>
>> Not to mention the fact that our 1989 vintage VS3100-30 workstation,
>> our 1992 vintage MicroVAX, and I think the 1993 vintage AXP PC-150
>> (belongs to someone else now) are still running just fine, thanks,
>> after many, many years of 24x7 service.
>>
>> VMS, the closest you can get to eternal computing.
>>
>> VMS, to eternity, and beyond!
>>
>> VMS, prepared for Y10K and beyond!
>>
>> And apologies in advance...
>>
>> If you've got your Windows grippin'
>> on your data, but its slippin'
>> to the hackers that are nippin'
>> at your door...
>>
>> Just remember 'bout the Vaxen
>> that your bosses said were taxin'
>> and the Gartner boys were blastin'
>> all the more...
>>
>> 'Cause back then you could be sleepin'
>> While your consoles were a-beepin'
>> with the hacker's failed beatin'
>> at the core...
>>
>> But your future is a keepin'
>> up with expoits of the week 'n
>> So with windows you'll be sleepin'
>> Nevermore- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Dear Rich,
> 
> That is pretty amazing.  I just forwarded it to myself so I can send
> to the VMS Engineering group, I think they will like it.
> 
> Two more slogans for me
> 
> VMS, the best is still to be.
> VMS - Where scurity is not a layered product
> 
OpenVMS - used in REAL flightsimulators
OpenVMS - found in hospitals, tanks, stockmarkets, fighters, ....
OpenVMS - designed for production and stability from the start
on OpenVMS Unix is just another application.

On Sep 6, 11:50 am, Rich Jordan <jor...@ccs4vms.com> wrote:
> On Sep 6, 11:17 am, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 5, 6:36 pm, Rich Jordan <jor...@ccs4vms.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 5, 1:40 pm, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Some clarification around the license plates
>
> > > > the top left corner there is a small hp logo then top center there is
> > > > the New Hampshire state moto (Live Free or Die) top right corner there
> > > > is the year 2007.  In the center there is a  2 to 2 1/2 inch OpenVMS
> > > > and across the bottom is the slogan
>
> > > > The following are the slogans that have been submitted so far that
> > > > were not under copywrite, did not mention a persons name that we would
> > > > have to get permission from, I did leave is some of the funny ones but
> > > > we will have to narrow it down and then vote in a week or so.  More on
> > > > that later.  Now just looking for more ideas.
>
> > > > Warm Regards as always
> > > > Sue
>
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
>
> > > I wish there was a way to encapsulate in a few words the fact that our
> > > VAX had its last VMS installation in 1983-4 (before my time), and our
> > > Alpha in 1995.  Since then we have applied VMS upgrades, sometimes
> > > also copying the existing system disk to a newer/larger drive or newer
> > > interface type for an upgraded system, but we have NOT ever needed to
> > > do a reformat/reinstall of the operating system.  There's little bits
> > > of VMS V4.1 (and maybe older, I'm not certain) on the VAX system disk,
> > > and 6.1 on the Alpha's, with file creation dates to match.
>
> > > Not to mention the fact that our 1989 vintage VS3100-30 workstation,
> > > our 1992 vintage MicroVAX, and I think the 1993 vintage AXP PC-150
> > > (belongs to someone else now) are still running just fine, thanks,
> > > after many, many years of 24x7 service.
>
> > > VMS, the closest you can get to eternal computing.
>
> > > VMS, to eternity, and beyond!
>
> > > VMS, prepared for Y10K and beyond!
>
> > > And apologies in advance...
>
> > > If you've got your Windows grippin'
> > > on your data, but its slippin'
> > > to the hackers that are nippin'
> > > at your door...
>
> > > Just remember 'bout the Vaxen
> > > that your bosses said were taxin'
> > > and the Gartner boys were blastin'
> > > all the more...
>
> > > 'Cause back then you could be sleepin'
> > > While your consoles were a-beepin'
> > > with the hacker's failed beatin'
> > > at the core...
>
> > > But your future is a keepin'
> > > up with expoits of the week 'n
> > > So with windows you'll be sleepin'
> > > Nevermore- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Dear Rich,
>
> > That is pretty amazing.  I just forwarded it to myself so I can send
> > to the VMS Engineering group, I think they will like it.
>
> > Two more slogans for me
>
> > VMS, the best is still to be.
> > VMS - Where scurity is not a layered product
>
> Doggerel is not amazing, but thank you ;)
>
> Mild tweaks (layered product may not be the most well known term)
>
> VMS - Security is NOT an afterthought
> VMS - Security is NOT an add-on
> VMS - The Best is Yet to Be
>
> also
>
> VMS - you wouldn't want windows controlling nukes
> VMS - Illuc ivi, illud feci      ( (its) been there, done that)
> VMS - "hot standby" is for wimps!
> Silly rabbit, windows is for kids!
>
> I'm running low, as the above clearly atests.


VMS - Engineering Solutions, not talking paperclips
VMS - Minefield and solitaire NOT included
VMS - Too damned expensive, and worth every penny

Dirk Munk wrote:

> OpenVMS - used in REAL flightsimulators

Past tense is correct. CAE long ago migrated from Digital gear and from 
VMS to Unix.

In article <1189095456.211518.139450@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
 Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote:

> VMS - Where scurity is not a layered product

That's a wonderful one Sue!

My only reservation is that non-VMS users might not understand the word
"layered". Anyone have a suitable substitute?

-- 
Paul Sture

Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks:
http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html

In article <1189116041.770555.262640@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
 Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote:


> VMS - Too damned expensive, and worth every penny

LOL!

Reassuringly expensive, and worth every penny.

-- 
Paul Sture

Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks:
http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html

P. Sture wrote:
> My only reservation is that non-VMS users might not understand the word
> "layered". Anyone have a suitable substitute?
> 

VMS, where security is not an afterthought

In article <paul.sture.nospam-DEEBD2.08070107092007@mac.sture.ch>, "P. Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:
> In article <1189095456.211518.139450@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>  Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> VMS - Where scurity is not a layered product
> 
> That's a wonderful one Sue!
> 
> My only reservation is that non-VMS users might not understand the word
> "layered". Anyone have a suitable substitute?

add-on

P. Sture wrote:
> In article <1189095456.211518.139450@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>  Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>VMS - Where scurity is not a layered product
> 
> 
> That's a wonderful one Sue!
> 
> My only reservation is that non-VMS users might not understand the word
> "layered". Anyone have a suitable substitute?
> 


VMS - Where scurity is not an add-on!

Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>>>VMS - Where scurity is not a layered product
> 
> VMS - Where scurity is not an add-on!

OK, so we've fixed the problem with "layered product" not being a widely 
known expression. Perhaps we should now work on fixing "scurity" which 
is even less widely known ? :-)

In article <46E14732.7060106@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
> 
> 
> VMS - Where scurity is not an add-on!
> 

  Gee, don't any of us have spell checkers?  8-)

  VMS - security is standard, patches are not

  VMS - comes with security, not patches

In article <1189095456.211518.139450@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> writes:
>On Sep 5, 6:36 pm, Rich Jordan <jor...@ccs4vms.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 5, 1:40 pm, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Some clarification around the license plates
>>
>> > the top left corner there is a small hp logo then top center there is
>> > the New Hampshire state moto (Live Free or Die) top right corner there
>> > is the year 2007.  In the center there is a  2 to 2 1/2 inch OpenVMS
>> > and across the bottom is the slogan
>>
>> > The following are the slogans that have been submitted so far that
>> > were not under copywrite, did not mention a persons name that we would
>> > have to get permission from, I did leave is some of the funny ones but
>> > we will have to narrow it down and then vote in a week or so.  More on
>> > that later.  Now just looking for more ideas.
>>
>> > Warm Regards as always
>> > Sue
>>
>> .
>> .
>> .
>>
>> I wish there was a way to encapsulate in a few words the fact that our
>> VAX had its last VMS installation in 1983-4 (before my time), and our
>> Alpha in 1995.  Since then we have applied VMS upgrades, sometimes
>> also copying the existing system disk to a newer/larger drive or newer
>> interface type for an upgraded system, but we have NOT ever needed to
>> do a reformat/reinstall of the operating system.  There's little bits
>> of VMS V4.1 (and maybe older, I'm not certain) on the VAX system disk,
>> and 6.1 on the Alpha's, with file creation dates to match.
>>
>> Not to mention the fact that our 1989 vintage VS3100-30 workstation,
>> our 1992 vintage MicroVAX, and I think the 1993 vintage AXP PC-150
>> (belongs to someone else now) are still running just fine, thanks,
>> after many, many years of 24x7 service.
>>
>> VMS, the closest you can get to eternal computing.
>>
>> VMS, to eternity, and beyond!
>>
>> VMS, prepared for Y10K and beyond!
>>
>> And apologies in advance...
>>
>> If you've got your Windows grippin'
>> on your data, but its slippin'
>> to the hackers that are nippin'
>> at your door...
>>
>> Just remember 'bout the Vaxen
>> that your bosses said were taxin'
>> and the Gartner boys were blastin'
>> all the more...
>>
>> 'Cause back then you could be sleepin'
>> While your consoles were a-beepin'
>> with the hacker's failed beatin'
>> at the core...
>>
>> But your future is a keepin'
>> up with expoits of the week 'n
>> So with windows you'll be sleepin'
>> Nevermore- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Dear Rich,
>
>That is pretty amazing.  I just forwarded it to myself so I can send
>to the VMS Engineering group, I think they will like it.
>
>Two more slogans for me
>
>VMS, the best is still to be.
>VMS - Where scurity is not a layered product
>
I trust the latter is supposed to be security and not obscurity :)

David Webb
Security team leader
CCSS
Middlesex University

"Curly sold us out"

"Carly did nothing for us."


--
OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV
base.

Sue wrote:
> Some clarification around the license plates
>
> the top left corner there is a small hp logo then top center there is
> the New Hampshire state moto (Live Free or Die) top right corner there
> is the year 2007.  In the center there is a  2 to 2 1/2 inch OpenVMS
> and across the bottom is the slogan
>
> The following are the slogans that have been submitted so far that
> were not under copywrite .......

I guess my grant of license isn't going to be taken up because HP isn't
interesting in marketing VMS.

SS, DD

--
OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV
base.

On Aug 30, 11:52 am, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup,
>
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Sue

Did we already do Nothing Stops it  I remember last year and Cool and
unhackable from The Netherlands.  I am not in the office so I can not
look at them.

Sue

Sue wrote:
> Did we already do Nothing Stops it  I remember last year and Cool and
> unhackable from The Netherlands.  I am not in the office so I can not
> look at them.

Some suggestions ( would go well in a series of licence plates: )


Sue won't let anyone stop it

Curly tried to stop it

Carly didn't care about it

Stallard wants to stop it

Livermore wants to support Stallard.

Sue wrote:
> On Aug 30, 11:52 am, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>Dear Newsgroup,
>>
>>If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
>>last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>>
>>I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
>>you think.
>>
>>Warm Regards,
>>Sue
> 
> 
> Did we already do Nothing Stops it  I remember last year and Cool and
> unhackable from The Netherlands.  I am not in the office so I can not
> look at them.
> 
> Sue
> 

"Nothing Stops it" is not exactly true.  The Halt button will usually do 
the job, as will dumping power to the machine.  A BUGW instruction will 
also stop it.

How about "Two years of uptime is not unusual."

On Sep 7, 4:33 pm, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 11:52 am, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Newsgroup,
>
> > If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> > last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> > I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> > you think.
>
> > Warm Regards,
> > Sue
>
> Did we already do Nothing Stops it  I remember last year and Cool and
> unhackable from The Netherlands.  I am not in the office so I can not
> look at them.
>
> Sue


I thought "Cool and unhackable" was from a DEFCON a few years ago,
before they decided VMS was too hard of a target and banned it ;)

Nothing Stops It is the slogan on my VAX/VMS 20 year celebration
bumper sticker collection.

On Sep 7, 4:41 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> Sue wrote:
> > On Aug 30, 11:52 am, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>Dear Newsgroup,
>
> >>If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> >>last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> >>I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> >>you think.
>
> >>Warm Regards,
> >>Sue
>
> > Did we already do Nothing Stops it  I remember last year and Cool and
> > unhackable from The Netherlands.  I am not in the office so I can not
> > look at them.
>
> > Sue
>
> "Nothing Stops it" is not exactly true.  The Halt button will usually do
> the job, as will dumping power to the machine.  A BUGW instruction will
> also stop it.
>
> How about "Two years of uptime is not unusual."


Two year uptimes are a wee stretch of the legs!  (paraphrase from "The
Quiet Man")

Teach (Disaster) Tolerance: Run OpenVMS

Be Polite for 10 Seconds: Then Take Over
   OpenVMS, the HP Disaster Proof Test Winner

-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Sue wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup,
> 
> If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
> 
> I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> you think.
> 
> Warm Regards,
> Sue
> 
You will love this one:

OpenVMS - so reliable that the newsgroup is always OT

In article <fbthou$35a$1@news3.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>,
 Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:

> You will love this one:
> 
> OpenVMS - so reliable that the newsgroup is always OT

LOL!

-- 
Paul Sture

Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks:
http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html

VMS, the black sheep in the HP family.

VMS, the child HP is ashamed of and won't include in its marketing.

VMS: HP's problem child since it makes its other products look bad.

VMS, the quiet operating system.

VMS: No worries mate !  (our australian friends would understand this)

Where Windows dreams to be in 10 years.

Microsoft couldn't even copy it right.

You know VMS is high quality.  (*)






(*) A lot of people have heard VMS is a high quality reliable OS with 
good documentation, but don't consider it because they don't know/think 
their app can run on it.

In article <46E1C59B.3060708@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
> 
> How about "Two years of uptime is not unusual."

   Too short.

>> How about "Two years of uptime is not unusual."


My uptime is bigger than yours.

"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message 
news:9193f$46e57382$cef8887a$28406@TEKSAVVY.COM...
>>> How about "Two years of uptime is not unusual."
>
>
> My uptime is bigger than yours.

I like this one !
Unfortunately uptime is not everything. I have a couple of days more uptime 
on a Windoze server running a single application (MS-Exchange), but the VMS 
server is running about 20 apps and different RDBMS systems at the same time 
and has undergone many application upgrades and/or installations without a 
reboot.

That's the main thing, being able to adminster and use the system to its 
real capacity without a need to reboot all the time.

Syltrem

JF Mezei wrote:
>>> How about "Two years of uptime is not unusual."
>>
> 
> 
> My uptime is bigger than yours.

Mine is longer!  ;-)

On Sep 9, 7:21 pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> VMS, the black sheep in the HP family.
>
> VMS, the child HP is ashamed of and won't include in its marketing.
>
> VMS: HP's problem child since it makes its other products look bad.
>
> VMS, the quiet operating system.
>
> VMS: No worries mate !  (our australian friends would understand this)
>
> Where Windows dreams to be in 10 years.
>
> Microsoft couldn't even copy it right.
>
> You know VMS is high quality.  (*)
>
> (*) A lot of people have heard VMS is a high quality reliable OS with
> good documentation, but don't consider it because they don't know/think
> their app can run on it.


VMS; anything else is just compensation for your shortcomings
VMS; Safe data means more than slick graphics

OpenVMS: Go Ahead - Audit Me

   ----------------------------

Educating the Auditors

It was a thorough audit.
Each staff member was given personal auditor time.

The auditor wanted to know how the computer enforced job descriptions.

The staff figured magic.

Management said "Not my Job".

Curious, the auditors asked the (OpenVMS hostile) IT department.

Unable to come up with a better answer (*don't know* was in some ways
a far worse answer), the auditor contacted the app vendor about the
mystery box.

A short meeting with the app vendor assured the auditors that the
system was not a retired, unsupported box, and even though a basic
understanding of the system had long since disappeared from their
organization, it did not require any magic to manage. 

The were given pointers to the documentation on their server (and the
names of some OpenVMS friendly support staff that would be better able
to help them), pointers to the (obscure :-) security manuals that the
OpenVMS vendor hides on the internet, and a few simple and cost
effective changes to their current setup.

Much relieved, the auditors returned home to find out why IT is trying
so hard to get rid of this set of applications that still do their job
with only the minimum of resources and staff.

A short time later the bean counters call to inquire about upgrades to
their old kit and the customer calls to request some long overdue
enhancements.

Peace

Duane

(A survivor of way too many tax credit audits)

OpenVMS: R&D Heaven

On Sep 7, 4:33 pm, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 11:52 am, Sue <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Newsgroup,
>
> > If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years.  The
> > last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option"
>
> > I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th.  Let me know what
> > you think.
>
> > Warm Regards,
> > Sue
>
> Did we already do Nothing Stops it  I remember last year and Cool and
> unhackable from The Netherlands.  I am not in the office so I can not
> look at them.
>
> Sue


VMS:  Data protection like a She-wolf with cubs
VMS:  Like a kodiak bear protecting your data
VMS:  would you rather trust a prawn or a shark to guard your data?

VMS - because your data is the One Ring and the Dark Hacker Sauron is
out to get it

VMS:  Because Osama hates it!
VMS - you know you oughta!

If you had used VMS the Russian Mafia wouldn't have your credit
card...
VMS - because Chinese communists already control your windows PC

VMS - a Mighty Fortress is our OS