Hello,

  I have successfully got SMTP working fine on my VMS box.  However, when I 
grab email over POP, there is a blank line between the headers that were
added on the VMS machine, and the headers that were already in the message
when it was delivered.  This makes the headers appear as part of the body
to my MUA, which is kind of ugly.  Is there a fix for this? I've looked 
in the TCP/IP Admin guide on HP's site and couldn't find any direct 
reference to this.  If it is documented then a hint on where it's at would
be much appreciated.

  Thanks,
  Steve.

Steve Young wrote:
>   I have successfully got SMTP working fine on my VMS box.  However, when I
> grab email over POP, there is a blank line between the headers that were
> added on the VMS machine, and the headers that were already in the message
> when it was delivered.

From the manual:
The POP server sends these message headers (the VMSmail specific ones) to the
POP client unless all of the
following conditions are true:
� The TCPIP$POP_IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS logical name is defined (see
Section 18.3).
� The From: address is an SMTP address.
� The SMTP qualifier /OPTION=TOP_HEADERS is set.

Note that the POP server checks the SMTP configuration database to ensure
that it has been configured with the qualifier /OPTION=TOP_HEADERS so that
headers print at the top of the message. If the POP logical name TCPIP$POP_
IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS is defined, the SMTP option TOP_HEADERS must
also be set. If not, the POP server issues a warning in the log file and does not
acknowledge the TCPIP$POP_IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS definition.

> The POP server sends these message headers (the VMSmail specific ones) to the
> POP client unless all of the
> following conditions are true:
> � The TCPIP$POP_IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS logical name is defined (see
> Section 18.3).
> � The From: address is an SMTP address.
> � The SMTP qualifier /OPTION=TOP_HEADERS is set.

Of all the ironies, I start to use my POP server today (for my phone to pickup
emails) and experienced the same problem as you. defining the
tcpup$pop_ignore_mail11_headers , shutting down and starting the pop server
did the trick.

Pretty amazing that the mail client on a very small phone knows about mime and
attachements, but the one on VMS doesn't even know about RFC822 headers.

sdyoung@well.com (Steve Young) wrote in
<slrnc0rfq2.2fsa.steve@h68-144-59-39.cg.shawcable.net>: 

>  Hello,
>
>  I have successfully got SMTP working fine on my VMS box.  However,
>  when I 
>grab email over POP, there is a blank line between the headers that were
>added on the VMS machine, and the headers that were already in the
>message when it was delivered.  This makes the headers appear as part of
>the body to my MUA, which is kind of ugly.  Is there a fix for this?
>I've looked in the TCP/IP Admin guide on HP's site and couldn't find any
>direct reference to this.  If it is documented then a hint on where it's
>at would be much appreciated.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Steve.
>

Steve,

This won't be much of a help, but it seems JF has already found the right 
knobs and dials anyway.  I wrote a SMTP transmission client a couple of 
years ago (hence, the vagueness of the following), and as I recall, in the 
RFC's that define the protocol, there is a deliberate note on this extra 
line between the headers and the body of the email.  It seems the RFC 
permits both formats (although they are not altogether compatible), for 
reasons of supporting legacy systems.  It's up to the you's-and-me's of the 
world to tweak our code or installations to accomodate this ambiguity.

ws

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<400E3552.56A6B2D7@istop.com>...
> > The POP server sends these message headers (the VMSmail specific ones) to the
> > POP client unless all of the
> > following conditions are true:
> > ? The TCPIP$POP_IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS logical name is defined (see
> > Section 18.3).
> > ? The From: address is an SMTP address.
> > ? The SMTP qualifier /OPTION=TOP_HEADERS is set.
> 
> Of all the ironies, I start to use my POP server today (for my phone to pickup
> emails) and experienced the same problem as you. defining the
> tcpup$pop_ignore_mail11_headers , shutting down and starting the pop server
> did the trick.
> 
> Pretty amazing that the mail client on a very small phone knows about mime and
> attachements, but the one on VMS doesn't even know about RFC822 headers.

do you really want it to?  vms mail is unhackable ... be careful
what you wish for ...

Bob Ceculski wrote:
> > Pretty amazing that the mail client on a very small phone knows about mime and
> > attachements, but the one on VMS doesn't even know about RFC822 headers.
> 
> do you really want it to?  vms mail is unhackable ... be careful
> what you wish for ...


Knowing about RFC822 headers is not tantamount to automatically executing
contents of any and all emails.

Knowing about MIME doesn't mean that you execute any attachement. But it does
mean that you can provide a list of attachements, their mime type, original
file name and option to save it as a VMS file.

VMSmail lacks that.

Hi Steve

Is this using the VMS box as a POP server or as a POP client.  If the
latter...

How did you do it?

Steve


--
Steve Reece.
system at ipl dot nomed-reversed dot co dot uk


"Steve Young" <sdyoung@well.com> wrote in message
news:slrnc0rfq2.2fsa.steve@h68-144-59-39.cg.shawcable.net...
>   Hello,
>
>   I have successfully got SMTP working fine on my VMS box.  However, when
I
> grab email over POP, there is a blank line between the headers that were
> added on the VMS machine, and the headers that were already in the message
> when it was delivered.  This makes the headers appear as part of the body
> to my MUA, which is kind of ugly.  Is there a fix for this? I've looked
> in the TCP/IP Admin guide on HP's site and couldn't find any direct
> reference to this.  If it is documented then a hint on where it's at would
> be much appreciated.
>
>   Thanks,
>   Steve.
>

systematipltoddemontodcotoduk wrote:

> Hi Steve
> 
> Is this using the VMS box as a POP server or as a POP client.  If the
> latter...
> 
> How did you do it?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> --
> Steve Reece.
> system at ipl dot nomed-reversed dot co dot uk
> 
> 
> "Steve Young" <sdyoung@well.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnc0rfq2.2fsa.steve@h68-144-59-39.cg.shawcable.net...
> 
>>  Hello,
>>
>>  I have successfully got SMTP working fine on my VMS box.  However, when
> 
> I
> 
>>grab email over POP, there is a blank line between the headers that were
>>added on the VMS machine, and the headers that were already in the message
>>when it was delivered.  This makes the headers appear as part of the body
>>to my MUA, which is kind of ugly.  Is there a fix for this? I've looked
>>in the TCP/IP Admin guide on HP's site and couldn't find any direct
>>reference to this.  If it is documented then a hint on where it's at would
>>be much appreciated.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Steve.
>>
> 
> 
> 

did you use:
$   DEFINE /SYSTEM  TCPIP$POP_IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS true