I am away and logging 0.n remotely to a node using ssh I get

MAIL> dir
%MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist

MAIL> sho all
Your mail file directory is DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL].
Your current mail file is DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]MAIL.MAI.
No folder is currently selected.
The wastebasket folder name is WASTEBASKET.
Mail file DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]MAIL.MAI
         contains 0 deleted message bytes.

You have 0 new messages.

You have not set a forwarding address.
You have not set a personal name.
Your editor is TPU.
CC prompting is disabled.
Automatic copies to yourself are disabled.
Automatic deleted message purge is enabled.
Your default print queue is SYS$PRINT.
You have not specified a default print form.
You have not specified a default signature file.

MAIL> dir/fold
Listing of folders in DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]MAIL.MAI
      Press CTRL/C to cancel listing
WASTEBASKET

so what happened to my folders?  How do I recreate MAIL folder. There
appear to lots of messages in that directory.

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In article <op.thc5jfdbzgicya@murphus.larkspurlanding.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:
>
>
>I am away and logging 0.n remotely to a node using ssh I get
>
>MAIL> dir
>%MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist
>
>MAIL> sho all
>Your mail file directory is DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL].
>Your current mail file is DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]MAIL.MAI.
>No folder is currently selected.
>The wastebasket folder name is WASTEBASKET.
>Mail file DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]MAIL.MAI
>         contains 0 deleted message bytes.
>
>You have 0 new messages.
>
>You have not set a forwarding address.
>You have not set a personal name.
>Your editor is TPU.
>CC prompting is disabled.
>Automatic copies to yourself are disabled.
>Automatic deleted message purge is enabled.
>Your default print queue is SYS$PRINT.
>You have not specified a default print form.
>You have not specified a default signature file.
>
>MAIL> dir/fold
>Listing of folders in DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]MAIL.MAI
>      Press CTRL/C to cancel listing
>WASTEBASKET
>
>so what happened to my folders?  How do I recreate MAIL folder. There
>appear to lots of messages in that directory.

Tom, I log in to my systems all the time with ssh and have no problems
accessing my VMS mail.

Perhaps, you should see what DISK$COMMON equivalences to when you have
sshed in.

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:27:30 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:

> In article <op.thc5jfdbzgicya@murphus.larkspurlanding.com>, "Tom Linden"  
> <tom@kednos.com> writes:
>>
>>
>> I am away and logging 0.n remotely to a node using ssh I get
>>
>> MAIL> dir
>> %MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist
>>
>> MAIL> sho all
>> Your mail file directory is DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL].
>> Your current mail file is DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]MAIL.MAI.
>> No folder is currently selected.
>> The wastebasket folder name is WASTEBASKET.
>> Mail file DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]MAIL.MAI
>>         contains 0 deleted message bytes.
>>
>> You have 0 new messages.
>>
>> You have not set a forwarding address.
>> You have not set a personal name.
>> Your editor is TPU.
>> CC prompting is disabled.
>> Automatic copies to yourself are disabled.
>> Automatic deleted message purge is enabled.
>> Your default print queue is SYS$PRINT.
>> You have not specified a default print form.
>> You have not specified a default signature file.
>>
>> MAIL> dir/fold
>> Listing of folders in DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]MAIL.MAI
>>      Press CTRL/C to cancel listing
>> WASTEBASKET
>>
>> so what happened to my folders?  How do I recreate MAIL folder. There
>> appear to lots of messages in that directory.
>
> Tom, I log in to my systems all the time with ssh and have no problems
> accessing my VMS mail.
>
> Perhaps, you should see what DISK$COMMON equivalences to when you have
> sshed in.
>
No it is fine.  I am in my home directory.  Seems to me there was a command
to repair mail, but being away I am scratching my head.


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Tom Linden (tom@kednos.com) wrote:

: No it is fine.  I am in my home directory.  Seems to me there was 
: a command to repair mail, but being away I am scratching my head.
: 

For older systems running UCX:

  $ ucx analyze mail /repair

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  Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:41:09 -0700, leslie <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM>  
wrote:

> Tom Linden (tom@kednos.com) wrote:
>
> : No it is fine.  I am in my home directory.  Seems to me there was
> : a command to repair mail, but being away I am scratching my head.
> :
>
> For older systems running UCX:
>
>   $ ucx analyze mail /repair
>
> --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)
>   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email

Ah, yes, tcpip, but I am running MX as my smtp server, would that matter?

BTW,  using Outlook 2003 it keeps prompting me for user and passwd
saying server rejected.  What a nuisance.



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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:50:15 -0700, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:
OK, I ran
  tcpip anal mail/repair
then

HAFNER> mail

You have 4 new messages.

MAIL> dir
%MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist

MAIL> dir/new
%MAIL-W-NONEWMAIL, no new messages

Now it occurred that since I run all 5 nodes in the cluster and run  
loadbroker
I really should run this under sysman.  Doing so, it only ran on three of  
the
nodes, can't explain why, running it manually on one of the omitted nodes,  
Freja
cleared the problem

so I did
sysman> set e/c
sysman> do tcpip anal mail/repair

┌───────────────────────┬─────────┐
│        SYSTEMS        │ MEMBERS │
├────────┬──────────────┼─────────┤
│  NODE  │   SOFTWARE   │  STATUS │
├────────┼──────────────┼─────────┤
│ HAFNER │ VMS V7.3-2   │ MEMBER  │ran
│ HERMES │ VMS V7.3     │ MEMBER  │VAX ran
│ NORNS  │ VMS V7.3-1   │ MEMBER  |
│ FREJA  │ VMS V8.2     │ MEMBER  │
│ ODIN   │ VMS V8.3     │ MEMBER  │ran
└────────┴──────────────┴─────────┘

Haven't this problem before, but going to blame it on Outlook 2003 on my
new laptop

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Tom Linden wrote:
> I am away and logging 0.n remotely to a node using ssh I get
> 
> MAIL> dir
> %MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist

   This looks like either your MAIL.MAI file got stomped on, got corrupted, or 
otherwise got clobbered, or you're not looking at your "real" MAIL.MAI file.


> so what happened to my folders?  How do I recreate MAIL folder. There
> appear to lots of messages in that directory.

   Folders are simply fields in the MAIL.MAI records.

   Find out if this is your real and current MAIL.MAI file first.

   Then (if it is) find out what happened to it.

   Then see if you have a BACKUP of your MAIL.MAI and the usual herd of outboard 
MAIL$mumble.MAI files that are used for the larger messages.

   Whether or not you have a BACKUP and before you start to try to repair an 
existing file or replace and existing file and/or you are about to start 
analyzing the file for RMS-level corruptions, do (obviously) make a BACKUP of 
the MAIL.MAI file (and the herd) before you start working with your file. 
Obvious, I know, but I've missed this step occasionally.  Even better, create a 
copy of the problem MAIL.MAI (and its herd) and then go work on and attempt to 
repair that.)

   There are various VFY and repair tools for MAIL.MAI corruptions on various of 
the Freeware (and particularly on the older Freeware) that can potentially be 
pressed into service here.  VFYMAIL comes to mind, but it's been years since 
I've gone after one of these tools.

   Do also check the OpenVMS ECO level, as there was a case where CONVERT had a 
problem that tended to hit MAIL, and there have been occasional I/O or RMS or 
caching updates for problems that could conceivably trigger a MAIL.MAI 
corruption.  (Without knowing the version in use here, there's no easy way to 
indicate which ECOs are required, etc...)

   And of course, do look to see if this is your correct MAIL.MAI.  I've 
certainly ended up looking at a stale MAIL.MAI file from time to time -- and 
I've seen this arise when the VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA database and SYSUAF.DAT 
become skewed, such as cases where a cluster is not completely configured, and 
the full set of files isn't shared.  See V7.2 and later SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE for 
that list.)

Tom Linden wrote:
> Ah, yes, tcpip, but I am running MX as my smtp server, would that matter?

The MAIL command doesn't know/touch TCPIP. If MAIL says it can't fidn
the MAIL folder, it is something very "local" to the mail application
and your mail.mai file.

> MAIL> dir
> %MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist

This is normal where there are no messages in the folder.

However, if you try MC DECW$MAIL (on a workstation), it gets you the
decwindows version of MAIL which may show your empty folders.


if you do a DIR/FULL DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL] does it shows a
gazillion mail files ?

if you look only for MAIL.* perhaps there is a MAIL.OLD that does
contain the pointers to all your messges ?
(indicative that a MAIL COMPRESS may have failed, something which used
to happen on older version of VMS because the user did not have the
right to delete the file so the MAIL COMPRESS command would fail midway
in the convert command.

In article <452FF275.8424941@teksavvy.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:

> Tom Linden wrote:
> > Ah, yes, tcpip, but I am running MX as my smtp server, would that matter?
> 
> The MAIL command doesn't know/touch TCPIP. If MAIL says it can't fidn
> the MAIL folder, it is something very "local" to the mail application
> and your mail.mai file.
> 
> > MAIL> dir
> > %MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist
> 
> This is normal where there are no messages in the folder.
> 
> However, if you try MC DECW$MAIL (on a workstation), it gets you the
> decwindows version of MAIL which may show your empty folders.
> 
> 
> if you do a DIR/FULL DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL] does it shows a
> gazillion mail files ?
> 
> if you look only for MAIL.* perhaps there is a MAIL.OLD that does
> contain the pointers to all your messges ?
> (indicative that a MAIL COMPRESS may have failed, something which used
> to happen on older version of VMS because the user did not have the
> right to delete the file so the MAIL COMPRESS command would fail midway
> in the convert command.

There is also the ORPHANS package on the Freeware CDs:

"ORPHANS, UTILITIES, Mail tool that checks dangling pointers in MAIL.MAI

Orphan is a mail tool that checks for mail message files with no pointers
from MAIL.MAI.  It also checks for pointers in MAIL.MAI with no mail 
message files."

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/ORPHANS/

-- 
Paul Sture

Tom Linden wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:50:15 -0700, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:
> OK, I ran
>  tcpip anal mail/repair
> then
> 
> HAFNER> mail
> 
> You have 4 new messages.
> 
> MAIL> dir
> %MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist
> 
> MAIL> dir/new
> %MAIL-W-NONEWMAIL, no new messages
> 
> Now it occurred that since I run all 5 nodes in the cluster and run  
> loadbroker
> I really should run this under sysman.  Doing so, it only ran on three 
> of  the
> nodes, can't explain why, running it manually on one of the omitted 
> nodes,  Freja
> cleared the problem
> 
> so I did
> sysman> set e/c
> sysman> do tcpip anal mail/repair
> 
> ┌───────────────────────┬─────────┐
> │        SYSTEMS        │ MEMBERS │
> ├────────┬──────────────┼─────────┤
> │  NODE  │   SOFTWARE   │  STATUS │
> ├────────┼──────────────┼─────────┤
> │ HAFNER │ VMS V7.3-2   │ MEMBER  │ran
> │ HERMES │ VMS V7.3     │ MEMBER  │VAX ran
> │ NORNS  │ VMS V7.3-1   │ MEMBER  |
> │ FREJA  │ VMS V8.2     │ MEMBER  │
> │ ODIN   │ VMS V8.3     │ MEMBER  │ran
> └────────┴──────────────┴─────────┘
> 
> Haven't this problem before, but going to blame it on Outlook 2003 on my
> new laptop
> 
Sounds like you have mail in a node specific directory instead of a 
common directory.  Also do you have your mail logicals set for cluster 
operation?  Do you have multiple system disks or sysuaf's

Jim Mehlhop wrote:

> Tom Linden wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:50:15 -0700, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:
>> OK, I ran
>>  tcpip anal mail/repair
>> then
>>
>> HAFNER> mail
>>
>> You have 4 new messages.
>>
>> MAIL> dir
>> %MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist
>>
>> MAIL> dir/new
>> %MAIL-W-NONEWMAIL, no new messages
>>
>> Now it occurred that since I run all 5 nodes in the cluster and run  
>> loadbroker
>> I really should run this under sysman.  Doing so, it only ran on three 
>> of  the
>> nodes, can't explain why, running it manually on one of the omitted 
>> nodes,  Freja
>> cleared the problem
>>
>> so I did
>> sysman> set e/c
>> sysman> do tcpip anal mail/repair
>>
>> ┌───────────────────────┬─────────┐
>> │        SYSTEMS        │ MEMBERS │
>> ├────────┬──────────────┼─────────┤
>> │  NODE  │   SOFTWARE   │  STATUS │
>> ├────────┼──────────────┼─────────┤
>> │ HAFNER │ VMS V7.3-2   │ MEMBER  │ran
>> │ HERMES │ VMS V7.3     │ MEMBER  │VAX ran
>> │ NORNS  │ VMS V7.3-1   │ MEMBER  |
>> │ FREJA  │ VMS V8.2     │ MEMBER  │
>> │ ODIN   │ VMS V8.3     │ MEMBER  │ran
>> └────────┴──────────────┴─────────┘
>>
>> Haven't this problem before, but going to blame it on Outlook 2003 on my
>> new laptop
>>
> Sounds like you have mail in a node specific directory instead of a 
> common directory.  Also do you have your mail logicals set for cluster 
> operation?  Do you have multiple system disks or sysuaf's
> 

Sorry to reply to my own message but here are a couple of logicals to 
look at on all the nodes.  Also disregard my question of multiple system 
disks as you OBVIOUSLY have them.  What can I say it is 5:00 AM

   "VMSMAIL_PROFILE" = 
"DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA"

and

"MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS" = "16"

OH and

sysuaf


Jim