Hello all,

At  work I have a POP3 account for external mail and
an IMAP (Exchange) account for internal, and I  want
letters  from the latter account automatically go to
my main mailbox, to which the POP3  account  is  at-
tached.

I can't seem to find a suitable kind of rule:

  a.  New  mail  rules  are only applied to the "New
      mail" folder.

  b.  General rulesets are triggered only manually.

  c.  POP3 rules don't work with IMAP.

Can Pegasus be configured to automatically move  new
mail  from an IMAP "New Mail" folder to its own "New
Mail" folder?

Anton

Anton Shepelev wrote:

> Can Pegasus be configured to automatically move  new
> mail  from an IMAP "New Mail" folder to its own "New
> Mail" folder?
>


Not as you desire.

On article <20120130172930.5a8eb8b7.anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com>, Anton Shepelev 
wrote:

> 
> Hello all,
> 
> At  work I have a POP3 account for external mail and
> an IMAP (Exchange) account for internal, and I  want
> letters  from the latter account automatically go to
> my main mailbox, to which the POP3  account  is  at-
> tached.
> 
> I can't seem to find a suitable kind of rule:
> 
>   a.  New  mail  rules  are only applied to the "New
>       mail" folder.
> 
>   b.  General rulesets are triggered only manually.
> 
>   c.  POP3 rules don't work with IMAP.
> 
> Can Pegasus be configured to automatically move  new
> mail  from an IMAP "New Mail" folder to its own "New
> Mail" folder?
> 
> Anton

It seems to me what you are describing is more a POP3 behavior, not IMAP. The 
IMAP protocol is meant to keep all your messages AT server. On the other hand, 
the POP3 protocol is meant to download all messages from server (moving, as you 
said) to your local HD. Apples and oranges.

Maybe what you want is a POP3 download of "unread mail only", so you'd have all 
messages at your local mailbox (for fast access) and at remote server (for 
extra safety/backup).

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Euler German:

> It  seems  to me what you are describing is more a
> POP3 behavior, not  IMAP.  The  IMAP  protocol  is
> meant  to keep all your messages AT server. On the
> other hand, the POP3 protocol is meant to download
> all  messages from server (moving, as you said) to
> your local HD. Apples and oranges.

Excactly.  But at work I am already  given  an  IMAP
account  for inside mail and POP3 account for exter-
nal mail; and I want mail both the sources to be di-
rected  to the same local mailbox where it'd be fil-
tered and stored in a single hierarchy  of  folders.
I  don't  like  having to go to two locations -- the
regular and IMAP's "New Mail folders -- to read  all
new mail.

I  don't  care about deleting or leaving mail on the
IMAP server, because I only need to access  it  from
my work and I backup all my local mail anyway.

I  have  been able to set up Sylpheed to behave this
way, thanks to its rules being triggered whenever  a
new  message  arrives,  irregardless  of the account
type.

Pegasus exit and entry rules are good if you  follow
the  workflow  they  are  intended for: read all new
mail while it's in the "New Mail" folder, then leave
the  folder  and cause them to be filtered according
to the on-exit rules.

Thanks for the response,
Anton

Guy:

> > Can  Pegasus be configured to automatically move
> > new mail  from an IMAP "New Mail" folder to  its
> > own "New Mail" folder?
>
> Not as you desire.

OK.   And  now  I got a futher question: do the "New
mail" filtering rules work only if the user  "opens"
the  New mail folder by double-clicking on it?  I am
working in Preview mode, where  a  single  click  is
enough  to show a folder's contents, yet no fitering
rules attached to the folder are executed upon  this
event.

Anton

Anton Shepelev wrote on 01 feb 2012 in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows:

> Guy:
> 
>> > Can  Pegasus be configured to automatically move
>> > new mail  from an IMAP "New Mail" folder to  its
>> > own "New Mail" folder?
>>
>> Not as you desire.
> 
> OK.   And  now  I got a futher question: 

On usenet, you should not change the subject of a thread.
Start a new one.


> do the "New
> mail" filtering rules work only if the user  "opens"
> the  New mail folder by double-clicking on it?  

No.

There are 2 types of new mail filtering rules, on opening and on closing 
the New Mail window.

> I am
> working in Preview mode, where  a  single  click  is
> enough  to show a folder's contents, 

No. you do not see the New Mail window then.

> yet no fitering
> rules attached to the folder are executed upon  this
> event.

Indeed. There are no filtering rules attached to the preview folder. It 
isn't even a folder in it's own right, just a mode.

Use the New Mail window if you want to use those rules,
that's the way it works, methinks.

I am not absolutly sure, as since like many a long time pmail user I do 
not use the preview mode.  Preview mode makes Pmail to a kind of 
Thunderbird where you never know what happens or just happend. 


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Am 01.02.2012, 19:38 Uhr, schrieb Evertjan.  
<exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net>:

> Indeed. There are no filtering rules attached to the preview folder. It
> isn't even a folder in it's own right, just a mode.

Wrong: On open rules are executed in preview mode as well (whenever you  
select the new mail folder in the folder tree), only on close rules aren't.


					Michael

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Michael in der Wiesche wrote on 01 feb 2012 in
comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows: 

> Am 01.02.2012, 19:38 Uhr, schrieb Evertjan.  
> <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net>:
> 
>> Indeed. There are no filtering rules attached to the preview folder.
>> It isn't even a folder in it's own right, just a mode.
> 
> Wrong: On open rules are executed in preview mode as well (whenever
> you  select the new mail folder in the folder tree), only on close
> rules aren't. 

See, you left out quoting my explicit uncertancy.
[Still, rules cannot be attached to a mode, methinks,
but that's just semantics]

Are you sure about select [meaning "open"?] ?
What about new mail arriving after when the folder is open,
is't that filtered too? 

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Evertjan.:

> On  usenet, you should not change the subject of a
> thread.  Start a new one.

I thought my other question to be a natural continu-
ation  of  the  thread  because on-exit and on-entry
rules can also be attached to IMAP folders via  gen-
eral rulesets.

> Anton Shepelev:
>
> > I  am  working  in  Preview mode, where a single
> > click is enough to show a folder's contents,
>
> No. you do not see the New Mail window then.

There is no seprate New Mail window in Preview mode,
but the contents of the New Mail folder are shown in
the upper right corner instead, and this functional-
ity replaces the Open operation of the Classic view,
except for the on-close rues, which  it  does't  not
trigger.

> Indeed.  There  are no filtering rules attached to
> the preview folder. It isn't even a folder in it's
> own right, just a mode.

What  is the preview folder?  A hierarchical list of
folders is present in both Preview and Classic views
in  a  window called "the folder view".  The folders
there are the same regardless of which mode is used.

> I am not absolutly sure, as since like many a long
> time  pmail  user  I  do not use the preview mode.
> Preview mode makes Pmail to a kind of  Thunderbird
> where you never know what happens or just happend.

Do  you  mean rules applied silently without the us-
er's first reading new mail, as it is with Pegasus's
on-exit rules?

> Michael in der Wiesche:
>
> > Wrong:  On  open  rules  are executed in preview
> > mode as well (whenever you  select the new  mail
> > folder  in the folder tree), only on close rules
> > aren't.
>
> [...]
> Are you sure  about  select  [meaning  "open"?]  ?
> What about new mail arriving after when the folder
> is open, is't that filtered too?

Michael  is correct here, but using  on-entry  rules
for  this purpose will make me have to click on IMAP
folder thereby having the new mail filtered and then
cycle through individual locations it was moved to.

I  agree  that for serious use only the Classic mode
is suitable.

Anton

Anton Shepelev wrote on 02 feb 2012 in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows:

>> Indeed.  There  are no filtering rules attached to
>> the preview folder. It isn't even a folder in it's
>> own right, just a mode.
> 
> What  is the preview folder?  A hierarchical list of
> folders is present in both Preview and Classic views
> in  a  window called "the folder view".  The folders
> there are the same regardless of which mode is used.

As I said, there isn't a preview-folder.
A window is not a folder,
but can show the contents of a pmail-folder.
A mode is a way something is done.

The subsection of the folders-window in it's preview mode,
can show the contents of a pmail-folder,
but I seem to have been wrong about what it does filter-wize.

> 
>> I am not absolutly sure, as since like many a long
>> time  pmail  user  I  do not use the preview mode.
>> Preview mode makes Pmail to a kind of  Thunderbird
>> where you never know what happens or just happend.
> 
> Do  you  mean 

I don't exactly know wht happens in Thunderbird, 
it feels strange to a pmailer.

> rules applied silently without the us-
> er's first reading new mail,
> as it is with Pegasus's on-exit rules?

Do you mean the pegasus "on open"-filter-rules?

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Evertjan.:

> As I said, there isn't a preview-folder.  A window
> is not a folder, but can show the  contents  of  a
> pmail-folder.  A mode is a way something is done.

Got it.

> > > I  am not absolutly sure, as since like many a
> > > long time pmail user I do not use the  preview
> > > mode.   Preview  mode makes Pmail to a kind of
> > > Thunderbird where you never know what  happens
> > > or just happend.
> >
> > Do  you  mean rules applied silently without the
> > user's first reading new mail, as it is with Pe-
> > gasus's on-exit rules?
>
> Do you mean the pegasus "on open"-filter-rules?

I  was  just  asking  what it was you didn't like in
Thunderbird and what you meant by  "you  never  know
what  happens or just happend".  I suggested that in
TB rules worked silently  without  the  user  seeing
them work.

I  have  switched to Classic mode and my new problem
is that pressing CTRL-L in a folder window does  not
close  it  and, therefore, does not trigger on-close
rules, so I have to close the folder window with the
mouse.  Is there a hotkey for that?

Anton

Am 01.02.2012, 19:51 Uhr, schrieb Evertjan.  
<exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net>:

> See, you left out quoting my explicit uncertancy.

Next time I'll do a full quote ...


					Michael

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On article <20120131123703.b9918bc85f6ceed808ab21f9@g{oogle}mail.com>, Anton 
Shepelev wrote:

> 
> Euler German:
> 
> > It  seems  to me what you are describing is more a
> > POP3 behavior, not  IMAP.  The  IMAP  protocol  is
> > meant  to keep all your messages AT server. On the
> > other hand, the POP3 protocol is meant to download
> > all  messages from server (moving, as you said) to
> > your local HD. Apples and oranges.
> 
> Excactly.  But at work I am already  given  an  IMAP
> account  for inside mail and POP3 account for exter-
> nal mail; and I want mail both the sources to be di-
> rected  to the same local mailbox where it'd be fil-
> tered and stored in a single hierarchy  of  folders.
> I  don't  like  having to go to two locations -- the
> regular and IMAP's "New Mail folders -- to read  all
> new mail.
> 
> I  don't  care about deleting or leaving mail on the
> IMAP server, because I only need to access  it  from
> my work and I backup all my local mail anyway.
> 
You'll need to mark it somewhat, say like read.

> I  have  been able to set up Sylpheed to behave this
> way, thanks to its rules being triggered whenever  a
> new  message  arrives,  irregardless  of the account
> type.
> 
> Pegasus exit and entry rules are good if you  follow
> the  workflow  they  are  intended for: read all new
> mail while it's in the "New Mail" folder, then leave
> the  folder  and cause them to be filtered according
> to the on-exit rules.
> 
I'd use an "on close rule" attached to the IMAP folder. The rule should look 
for any unread messages; if found, mark them as read and them copy (not move) 
it to your local New Mail folder as it would do if you were using a POP3 
protocol.

You'll have to open your IMAP folder manually.

> Thanks for the response,
> Anton

YW.

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Anton Shepelev wrote on 02 feb 2012 in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows:

> I  have  switched to Classic mode 

Well done. David Harris calls it the list-mode, btw.

> and my new problem
> is that pressing CTRL-L in a folder window does  not
> close  it  and, therefore, does not trigger on-close
> rules, so I have to close the folder window with the
> mouse.  Is there a hotkey for that?

The standard windows shortcut of closing a sub-window is ctrl-F4,
which wordks fine on folder-windows including the New mail folder-window.
[while alt-F4 standardly closes a programme.]

ctrl-L is for opening the "Folders"-window, it seems,
which has no rules [in the list-mode].



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Michael in der Wiesche wrote on 02 feb 2012 in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-
windows:

> Am 01.02.2012, 19:51 Uhr, schrieb Evertjan.  
> <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net>:
> 
>> See, you left out quoting my explicit uncertancy.
> 
> Next time I'll do a full quote ...

You are exagerating. 

Critisizing a statement without quoting the uncertency-clause is another 
matter.



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Euler German:

> I'd  use  an  "on close rule" attached to the IMAP
> folder. The rule should look for any  unread  mes-
> sages;  if  found, mark them as read and them copy
> (not move) it to your local New Mail folder as  it
> would do if you were using a POP3 protocol.
>
> You'll have to open your IMAP folder manually.

Yes,  it  is probably the best solution for Pegasus.
Thank you.

Anton

Evertjan.:

> The  standard  windows  shortcut of closing a sub-
> window is ctrl-F4, which wordks  fine  on  folder-
> windows  including  the  New  mail  folder-window.
> [while alt-F4 standardly closes a programme.]

I didn't know this standard shortcut and it  is  not
mentioned in the manual.

Anton

Am 03.02.2012, 13:24 Uhr, schrieb :

> I didn't know this standard shortcut and it  is  not
> mentioned in the manual.

It's a Windows standard (for so-called MDI applications with internal  
child windows), not only Pegasus Mail, hence not mentioned in the manual.

					Michael

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Michael in der Wiesche wrote on 03 feb 2012 in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-
windows:

> Am 03.02.2012, 13:24 Uhr, schrieb :
> 
>> I didn't know this standard shortcut and it  is  not
>> mentioned in the manual.
> 
> It's a Windows standard (for so-called MDI applications with internal  
> child windows), not only Pegasus Mail, hence not mentioned in the manual.

"internal child windows".
Damn, that's the word!

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Michael in der Wiesche:

> It's  a Windows standard (for so-called MDI appli-
> cations with internal  child  windows),  not  only
> Pegasus Mail, hence not mentioned in the manual.

Quite  fair, but I still think that mentioning these
hotkeys wouldn't hurt because under section

       Getting Started -> Interface Basics ->
       Windows

other standard combinations like CTRL-V  and  CTRL-C
are already described.

Anton