Hello all, At work I have a POP3 account for external mail and an IMAP (Exchange) account for internal, and I want letters from the latter account automatically go to my main mailbox, to which the POP3 account is at- tached. I can't seem to find a suitable kind of rule: a. New mail rules are only applied to the "New mail" folder. b. General rulesets are triggered only manually. c. POP3 rules don't work with IMAP. Can Pegasus be configured to automatically move new mail from an IMAP "New Mail" folder to its own "New Mail" folder? Anton
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Anton Shepelev wrote: > Can Pegasus be configured to automatically move new > mail from an IMAP "New Mail" folder to its own "New > Mail" folder? > Not as you desire.
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On article <20120130172930.5a8eb8b7.anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com>, Anton Shepelev wrote: > > Hello all, > > At work I have a POP3 account for external mail and > an IMAP (Exchange) account for internal, and I want > letters from the latter account automatically go to > my main mailbox, to which the POP3 account is at- > tached. > > I can't seem to find a suitable kind of rule: > > a. New mail rules are only applied to the "New > mail" folder. > > b. General rulesets are triggered only manually. > > c. POP3 rules don't work with IMAP. > > Can Pegasus be configured to automatically move new > mail from an IMAP "New Mail" folder to its own "New > Mail" folder? > > Anton It seems to me what you are describing is more a POP3 behavior, not IMAP. The IMAP protocol is meant to keep all your messages AT server. On the other hand, the POP3 protocol is meant to download all messages from server (moving, as you said) to your local HD. Apples and oranges. Maybe what you want is a POP3 download of "unread mail only", so you'd have all messages at your local mailbox (for fast access) and at remote server (for extra safety/backup). -- Kind regards, Euler German Please, reply preferably to the list. Reply-To: partially ROT13, invalid=com Due to spam I'm filtering-out GoogleGroups. Sorry. :(
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Euler German: > It seems to me what you are describing is more a > POP3 behavior, not IMAP. The IMAP protocol is > meant to keep all your messages AT server. On the > other hand, the POP3 protocol is meant to download > all messages from server (moving, as you said) to > your local HD. Apples and oranges. Excactly. But at work I am already given an IMAP account for inside mail and POP3 account for exter- nal mail; and I want mail both the sources to be di- rected to the same local mailbox where it'd be fil- tered and stored in a single hierarchy of folders. I don't like having to go to two locations -- the regular and IMAP's "New Mail folders -- to read all new mail. I don't care about deleting or leaving mail on the IMAP server, because I only need to access it from my work and I backup all my local mail anyway. I have been able to set up Sylpheed to behave this way, thanks to its rules being triggered whenever a new message arrives, irregardless of the account type. Pegasus exit and entry rules are good if you follow the workflow they are intended for: read all new mail while it's in the "New Mail" folder, then leave the folder and cause them to be filtered according to the on-exit rules. Thanks for the response, Anton
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Guy: > > Can Pegasus be configured to automatically move > > new mail from an IMAP "New Mail" folder to its > > own "New Mail" folder? > > Not as you desire. OK. And now I got a futher question: do the "New mail" filtering rules work only if the user "opens" the New mail folder by double-clicking on it? I am working in Preview mode, where a single click is enough to show a folder's contents, yet no fitering rules attached to the folder are executed upon this event. Anton
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Anton Shepelev wrote on 01 feb 2012 in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows: > Guy: > >> > Can Pegasus be configured to automatically move >> > new mail from an IMAP "New Mail" folder to its >> > own "New Mail" folder? >> >> Not as you desire. > > OK. And now I got a futher question: On usenet, you should not change the subject of a thread. Start a new one. > do the "New > mail" filtering rules work only if the user "opens" > the New mail folder by double-clicking on it? No. There are 2 types of new mail filtering rules, on opening and on closing the New Mail window. > I am > working in Preview mode, where a single click is > enough to show a folder's contents, No. you do not see the New Mail window then. > yet no fitering > rules attached to the folder are executed upon this > event. Indeed. There are no filtering rules attached to the preview folder. It isn't even a folder in it's own right, just a mode. Use the New Mail window if you want to use those rules, that's the way it works, methinks. I am not absolutly sure, as since like many a long time pmail user I do not use the preview mode. Preview mode makes Pmail to a kind of Thunderbird where you never know what happens or just happend. -- Evertjan. The Netherlands. (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
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Am 01.02.2012, 19:38 Uhr, schrieb Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net>: > Indeed. There are no filtering rules attached to the preview folder. It > isn't even a folder in it's own right, just a mode. Wrong: On open rules are executed in preview mode as well (whenever you select the new mail folder in the folder tree), only on close rules aren't. Michael -- PGP Key ID (RSA 2048): 0xC45D831B PGP Plugin for Pegasus Mail: <http://www.pmpgp.de/pmpgp/> S/MIME Fingerprint: 26 5c a3 60 02 c6 e3 8a 75 70 d5 6a 67 ff d3 8d b0 b5 5e 5b
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Michael in der Wiesche wrote on 01 feb 2012 in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows: > Am 01.02.2012, 19:38 Uhr, schrieb Evertjan. > <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net>: > >> Indeed. There are no filtering rules attached to the preview folder. >> It isn't even a folder in it's own right, just a mode. > > Wrong: On open rules are executed in preview mode as well (whenever > you select the new mail folder in the folder tree), only on close > rules aren't. See, you left out quoting my explicit uncertancy. [Still, rules cannot be attached to a mode, methinks, but that's just semantics] Are you sure about select [meaning "open"?] ? What about new mail arriving after when the folder is open, is't that filtered too? -- Evertjan. The Netherlands. (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
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Evertjan.: > On usenet, you should not change the subject of a > thread. Start a new one. I thought my other question to be a natural continu- ation of the thread because on-exit and on-entry rules can also be attached to IMAP folders via gen- eral rulesets. > Anton Shepelev: > > > I am working in Preview mode, where a single > > click is enough to show a folder's contents, > > No. you do not see the New Mail window then. There is no seprate New Mail window in Preview mode, but the contents of the New Mail folder are shown in the upper right corner instead, and this functional- ity replaces the Open operation of the Classic view, except for the on-close rues, which it does't not trigger. > Indeed. There are no filtering rules attached to > the preview folder. It isn't even a folder in it's > own right, just a mode. What is the preview folder? A hierarchical list of folders is present in both Preview and Classic views in a window called "the folder view". The folders there are the same regardless of which mode is used. > I am not absolutly sure, as since like many a long > time pmail user I do not use the preview mode. > Preview mode makes Pmail to a kind of Thunderbird > where you never know what happens or just happend. Do you mean rules applied silently without the us- er's first reading new mail, as it is with Pegasus's on-exit rules? > Michael in der Wiesche: > > > Wrong: On open rules are executed in preview > > mode as well (whenever you select the new mail > > folder in the folder tree), only on close rules > > aren't. > > [...] > Are you sure about select [meaning "open"?] ? > What about new mail arriving after when the folder > is open, is't that filtered too? Michael is correct here, but using on-entry rules for this purpose will make me have to click on IMAP folder thereby having the new mail filtered and then cycle through individual locations it was moved to. I agree that for serious use only the Classic mode is suitable. Anton
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Anton Shepelev wrote on 02 feb 2012 in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows: >> Indeed. There are no filtering rules attached to >> the preview folder. It isn't even a folder in it's >> own right, just a mode. > > What is the preview folder? A hierarchical list of > folders is present in both Preview and Classic views > in a window called "the folder view". The folders > there are the same regardless of which mode is used. As I said, there isn't a preview-folder. A window is not a folder, but can show the contents of a pmail-folder. A mode is a way something is done. The subsection of the folders-window in it's preview mode, can show the contents of a pmail-folder, but I seem to have been wrong about what it does filter-wize. > >> I am not absolutly sure, as since like many a long >> time pmail user I do not use the preview mode. >> Preview mode makes Pmail to a kind of Thunderbird >> where you never know what happens or just happend. > > Do you mean I don't exactly know wht happens in Thunderbird, it feels strange to a pmailer. > rules applied silently without the us- > er's first reading new mail, > as it is with Pegasus's on-exit rules? Do you mean the pegasus "on open"-filter-rules? -- Evertjan. The Netherlands. (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
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Evertjan.: > As I said, there isn't a preview-folder. A window > is not a folder, but can show the contents of a > pmail-folder. A mode is a way something is done. Got it. > > > I am not absolutly sure, as since like many a > > > long time pmail user I do not use the preview > > > mode. Preview mode makes Pmail to a kind of > > > Thunderbird where you never know what happens > > > or just happend. > > > > Do you mean rules applied silently without the > > user's first reading new mail, as it is with Pe- > > gasus's on-exit rules? > > Do you mean the pegasus "on open"-filter-rules? I was just asking what it was you didn't like in Thunderbird and what you meant by "you never know what happens or just happend". I suggested that in TB rules worked silently without the user seeing them work. I have switched to Classic mode and my new problem is that pressing CTRL-L in a folder window does not close it and, therefore, does not trigger on-close rules, so I have to close the folder window with the mouse. Is there a hotkey for that? Anton
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Am 01.02.2012, 19:51 Uhr, schrieb Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net>: > See, you left out quoting my explicit uncertancy. Next time I'll do a full quote ... Michael -- PGP Key ID (RSA 2048): 0xC45D831B PGP Plugin for Pegasus Mail: <http://www.pmpgp.de/pmpgp/> S/MIME Fingerprint: 26 5c a3 60 02 c6 e3 8a 75 70 d5 6a 67 ff d3 8d b0 b5 5e 5b
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On article <20120131123703.b9918bc85f6ceed808ab21f9@g{oogle}mail.com>, Anton Shepelev wrote: > > Euler German: > > > It seems to me what you are describing is more a > > POP3 behavior, not IMAP. The IMAP protocol is > > meant to keep all your messages AT server. On the > > other hand, the POP3 protocol is meant to download > > all messages from server (moving, as you said) to > > your local HD. Apples and oranges. > > Excactly. But at work I am already given an IMAP > account for inside mail and POP3 account for exter- > nal mail; and I want mail both the sources to be di- > rected to the same local mailbox where it'd be fil- > tered and stored in a single hierarchy of folders. > I don't like having to go to two locations -- the > regular and IMAP's "New Mail folders -- to read all > new mail. > > I don't care about deleting or leaving mail on the > IMAP server, because I only need to access it from > my work and I backup all my local mail anyway. > You'll need to mark it somewhat, say like read. > I have been able to set up Sylpheed to behave this > way, thanks to its rules being triggered whenever a > new message arrives, irregardless of the account > type. > > Pegasus exit and entry rules are good if you follow > the workflow they are intended for: read all new > mail while it's in the "New Mail" folder, then leave > the folder and cause them to be filtered according > to the on-exit rules. > I'd use an "on close rule" attached to the IMAP folder. The rule should look for any unread messages; if found, mark them as read and them copy (not move) it to your local New Mail folder as it would do if you were using a POP3 protocol. You'll have to open your IMAP folder manually. > Thanks for the response, > Anton YW. -- Kind regards, Euler German Please, reply preferably to the list. Reply-To: partially ROT13, invalid=com Due to spam I'm filtering-out GoogleGroups. Sorry. :(
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Anton Shepelev wrote on 02 feb 2012 in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows: > I have switched to Classic mode Well done. David Harris calls it the list-mode, btw. > and my new problem > is that pressing CTRL-L in a folder window does not > close it and, therefore, does not trigger on-close > rules, so I have to close the folder window with the > mouse. Is there a hotkey for that? The standard windows shortcut of closing a sub-window is ctrl-F4, which wordks fine on folder-windows including the New mail folder-window. [while alt-F4 standardly closes a programme.] ctrl-L is for opening the "Folders"-window, it seems, which has no rules [in the list-mode]. -- Evertjan. The Netherlands. (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
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Michael in der Wiesche wrote on 02 feb 2012 in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms- windows: > Am 01.02.2012, 19:51 Uhr, schrieb Evertjan. > <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net>: > >> See, you left out quoting my explicit uncertancy. > > Next time I'll do a full quote ... You are exagerating. Critisizing a statement without quoting the uncertency-clause is another matter. -- Evertjan. The Netherlands. (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
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Euler German: > I'd use an "on close rule" attached to the IMAP > folder. The rule should look for any unread mes- > sages; if found, mark them as read and them copy > (not move) it to your local New Mail folder as it > would do if you were using a POP3 protocol. > > You'll have to open your IMAP folder manually. Yes, it is probably the best solution for Pegasus. Thank you. Anton
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Evertjan.: > The standard windows shortcut of closing a sub- > window is ctrl-F4, which wordks fine on folder- > windows including the New mail folder-window. > [while alt-F4 standardly closes a programme.] I didn't know this standard shortcut and it is not mentioned in the manual. Anton
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Am 03.02.2012, 13:24 Uhr, schrieb : > I didn't know this standard shortcut and it is not > mentioned in the manual. It's a Windows standard (for so-called MDI applications with internal child windows), not only Pegasus Mail, hence not mentioned in the manual. Michael -- PGP Key ID (RSA 2048): 0xC45D831B PGP Plugin for Pegasus Mail: <http://www.pmpgp.de/pmpgp/> S/MIME Fingerprint: 26 5c a3 60 02 c6 e3 8a 75 70 d5 6a 67 ff d3 8d b0 b5 5e 5b
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Michael in der Wiesche wrote on 03 feb 2012 in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms- windows: > Am 03.02.2012, 13:24 Uhr, schrieb : > >> I didn't know this standard shortcut and it is not >> mentioned in the manual. > > It's a Windows standard (for so-called MDI applications with internal > child windows), not only Pegasus Mail, hence not mentioned in the manual. "internal child windows". Damn, that's the word! -- Evertjan. The Netherlands. (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
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Michael in der Wiesche: > It's a Windows standard (for so-called MDI appli- > cations with internal child windows), not only > Pegasus Mail, hence not mentioned in the manual. Quite fair, but I still think that mentioning these hotkeys wouldn't hurt because under section Getting Started -> Interface Basics -> Windows other standard combinations like CTRL-V and CTRL-C are already described. Anton
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