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Pegasus Mail not appearing 'on-top'

On my system, when I double-click the system tray icon to bring up the main
window, it's not appearing on-top, but if I click on any portion of the
exposed PM window it does bring it to top. Is this a little bug?

Thanks,
Steve :)


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12/28/2003 12:20:38 AM
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:20:38 -0000, "Twinkletoes" <nojunk@nospam.noviagra>
wrote:

>On my system, when I double-click the system tray icon to bring up the main
>window, it's not appearing on-top, but if I click on any portion of the
>exposed PM window it does bring it to top. Is this a little bug?

I can't say whether it's a bug or not, but it clearly has low priority.  I
have been complaining about it for longer than four years.  Mercury/32 does
not exhibit this behavior; when you double-click Mercury/32's tray icon, it
comes to the foreground with focus.
-- 
 - Vince
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Vincent
12/28/2003 12:59:25 AM
"Vincent Fatica" <abuse@lucky.syr.edu> wrote in message
news:3fee2aed$1@localhost...

> I can't say whether it's a bug or not, but it clearly has low priority.  I
> have been complaining about it for longer than four years.  Mercury/32
does
> not exhibit this behavior; when you double-click Mercury/32's tray icon,
it
> comes to the foreground with focus.

Thanks Vince, but what is Mercury/32?

Cheers,
Steve :)


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Twinkletoes
12/28/2003 1:06:29 AM
"Twinkletoes" <nojunk@nospam.noviagra> wrote in
news:RWYRE8E82FE0@rowyerboat.com: 

> On my system, when I double-click the system tray icon to bring
> up the main window, it's not appearing on-top, but if I click on
> any portion of the exposed PM window it does bring it to top. Is
> this a little bug? 

That's what I'd call it.  It's been discussed on the beta list (ages 
ago), but is obviously not a priority.  I've just learned to 
quadruple-click on the systray icon (first double-click opens, second 
brings to the front).

- Fred
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Fred
12/28/2003 1:17:15 AM
"Fred Viles" <fv+abuse@nospam.usen.epitools.com> wrote in message

> That's what I'd call it.  It's been discussed on the beta list (ages
> ago), but is obviously not a priority.  I've just learned to
> quadruple-click on the systray icon (first double-click opens, second
> brings to the front).

Again, thanks for the help Fred.

Steve :)


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Twinkletoes
12/28/2003 2:04:20 AM
77a9275b8a4b742501b02d8fec18d1ee@news.teranews.com,
Fred Viles <fv+abuse@nospam.usen.epitools.com>:
> "Twinkletoes" <nojunk@nospam.noviagra> wrote in
> news:RWYRE8E82FE0@rowyerboat.com:
>
>> On my system, when I double-click the system tray icon to bring
>> up the main window, it's not appearing on-top, but if I click on
>> any portion of the exposed PM window it does bring it to top. Is
>> this a little bug?
>
> That's what I'd call it.  It's been discussed on the beta list (ages
> ago), but is obviously not a priority.  I've just learned to
> quadruple-click on the systray icon (first double-click opens, second
> brings to the front).
>
> - Fred

Double-click is sufficient on my system Win98SE PL, PM 4.12a (just upgraded
from 4.02a, but all previous versions that I can remember behaved the same).
But perhaps I'm not understanding the problem.

-- 
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RobertS
12/28/2003 7:18:56 AM
"RobertS" <userinsignaturebutdomainok@o2.pl> wrote in
news:bsm058$rbn$1@topaz.icpnet.pl: 

>...
> Double-click is sufficient on my system Win98SE PL, PM 4.12a

The problem is specific to W2K/XP(/NT?).  It doesn't happen on 9x/ME.

- Fred
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Fred
12/28/2003 8:33:13 AM
0d6a843bdca981295c1f8e84a95169ef@news.teranews.com,
Fred Viles <fv+abuse@nospam.usen.epitools.com>:

> The problem is specific to W2K/XP(/NT?).  It doesn't happen on 9x/ME.
>
> - Fred

I see - thanks for the clarification, Fred. One more reason to stick with 98
:)

-- 
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RobertS
12/28/2003 9:23:48 AM
In article <0d6a843bdca981295c1f8e84a95169ef@news.teranews.com>, Fred Viles 
fv+abuse@nospam.usen.epitools.comsays...
> "RobertS" <userinsignaturebutdomainok@o2.pl> wrote in
> news:bsm058$rbn$1@topaz.icpnet.pl: 
> 
> >...
> > Double-click is sufficient on my system Win98SE PL, PM 4.12a
> 
> The problem is specific to W2K/XP(/NT?).  It doesn't happen on 9x/ME.
> 
> - Fred
> 

Fred,
	I hate to bust that bubble, but it happens on Win95a (sometimes), and has 
on previous versions.  I now have Pegasus Mail set under Tools/Options in User 
interface:Reporting/logging "Place an icon in the system tray"  all sub-items 
are checked there except "Only display the icon when Pegasus Mail is minimized".  
With that one item unchecked, I can doubleclick the icon to bring up Pegasus 
Mail(sometimes in background and sometimes to front), and if in background, 
another doubleclick on the icon will bring it to front.  Not a perfect solution.

	I'm not at all sure what combination of windows(programs) being open 
causes the inconsistent problem with Win95a, and I've tried to isolate the 
problem.


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John
12/28/2003 7:13:35 PM
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:33:13 GMT, Fred Viles
<fv+abuse@nospam.usen.epitools.com> wrote:

>"RobertS" <userinsignaturebutdomainok@o2.pl> wrote in
>news:bsm058$rbn$1@topaz.icpnet.pl: 
>
>>...
>> Double-click is sufficient on my system Win98SE PL, PM 4.12a
>
>The problem is specific to W2K/XP(/NT?).  It doesn't happen on 9x/ME.

Odd, becuase on Win92SE it happens with Mercury/32, but not PMail...

I can't remember about NT, but I think the same happens with
Mercury/32 on W2K (opens up in background with a flashing taskbar
button).

Laters

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in search of something cool.
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Nomad
12/28/2003 8:39:47 PM
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:33:13 GMT in article 
<0d6a843bdca981295c1f8e84a95169ef@news.teranews.com>, Fred Viles wrote...
>
>
>The problem is specific to W2K/XP(/NT?).

Not NT.  With NT4 SP6, one double-click on the tray icon brings PM to the 
foreground and gives it the focus.  This with:

 * "Place an icon in the Windows System Tray" checked
 * "Animate the icon when new mail arrives" checked
 * "Only display the icon when Pegasus Mail is minimized" checked
 * "Hide the Pegasus Mail taskbar entry when minimized" unchecked

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J
12/29/2003 12:08:11 AM
"J. David Bryan" <wqoelna@npz.bet> wrote in
news:NfKHb.448$ft2.181297@news.abs.net: 

> On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:33:13 GMT in article 
> <0d6a843bdca981295c1f8e84a95169ef@news.teranews.com>, Fred Viles
> wrote... 
>>
>>
>>The problem is specific to W2K/XP(/NT?).
> 
> Not NT.  With NT4 SP6, one double-click on the tray icon brings
> PM to the foreground and gives it the focus.  This with:
> 
>  * "Place an icon in the Windows System Tray" checked

By definition, yes.

>  * "Animate the icon when new mail arrives" checked

I don't have that enabled, don't think it matters.

>  * "Only display the icon when Pegasus Mail is minimized" checked

Really?  Interesting, I found that option unusable.  IIRC, there 
seemed to be a race condition with the icon disappearing causing 
the adjacent icon to receive an unintended click event.

> * "Hide the Pegasus Mail taskbar entry when minimized"
>  unchecked 

AFAIK the problem does not occur unless that option is checked.

- Fred
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Fred
12/29/2003 4:38:33 AM
John Gray <nospam@invalid.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1a58f4d376d28ecf9897db@news-server.woh.rr.com: 

>...
>      I hate to bust that bubble, but it happens on Win95a
>      (sometimes), and has on previous versions.

All I can say is it never happened to me on Win95 or Win98, but I now 
longer remember what version Pegasus Mail was at when I switched from 
95 to 98.  I never saw it until the day I replaced my Win98 box with 
W2K, with whatever version I was using at the time.  And my W2K 
system the symptom is 100% repeatable, not intermittent.  Double-
click on the systray icon opens a minimized Pegasus Mail to the 
foreground the very first time after start up (I have PM set to start 
up minimized), never again.

FWIW, I have only the "Hide Pegasus Mail taskbar entry when 
minimized" sub-option enabled (and that option is necessary to see 
the symptom).

- Fred
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Fred
12/29/2003 4:47:17 AM
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 04:38:33 GMT, Fred Viles
<fv+abuse@nospam.usen.epitools.com> wrote:

>>  * "Only display the icon when Pegasus Mail is minimized" checked
>
>Really?  Interesting, I found that option unusable.  IIRC, there 
>seemed to be a race condition with the icon disappearing causing 
>the adjacent icon to receive an unintended click event.

I believe this happens because Pegasus activates on the second
WM_LBUTTONDOWN, removes its icon, and whatever icon moves over to replace it
gets the subsequent WM_LBUTTONUP.  For this reason, it's a good idea to
remove tay icons only as a result of WM_LBUTTONUP (or a menu selection) or
(if you're processing WM_LBUTTONDBLCLK) to wait for the WM_LBUTTONUP before
removing the icon.
-- 
 - Vince
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Vincent
12/29/2003 5:15:57 AM
Vincent Fatica <abuse@lucky.syr.edu> wrote in
news:3fefb88d$1@localhost: 

> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 04:38:33 GMT, Fred Viles
> <fv+abuse@nospam.usen.epitools.com> wrote:
> 
>>>  * "Only display the icon when Pegasus Mail is minimized"
>>>  checked 
>>
>>Really?  Interesting, I found that option unusable.  IIRC, there
>>seemed to be a race condition with the icon disappearing causing
>>the adjacent icon to receive an unintended click event.
> 
> I believe this happens because Pegasus activates on the second
> WM_LBUTTONDOWN, removes its icon, and whatever icon moves over
> to replace it gets the subsequent WM_LBUTTONUP.

Yes, that's it exactly.  Thanks.

- Fred
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Fred
12/29/2003 5:50:22 PM
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 04:38:33 GMT in article 
<08264eed9c4bdf03758b8628f76f323c@news.teranews.com>, Fred Viles wrote...
>
>
>"J. David Bryan" <wqoelna@npz.bet> wrote in
>news:NfKHb.448$ft2.181297@news.abs.net: 
>
>>  * "Only display the icon when Pegasus Mail is minimized" checked
>
>Really?

Yep.


>Interesting, I found that option unusable.  IIRC, there 
>seemed to be a race condition with the icon disappearing causing 
>the adjacent icon to receive an unintended click event.

Could be dependent on what the adjacent icon is.  I keep practically nothing 
in the tray by choice (because I keep the task bar hidden).  The adjacent icon 
in this case is the "Dial-up Networking Monitor," and it doesn't appear to do 
anything if I send it button-up events (e.g., by clicking down on the taskbar 
and then moving the cursor over the icon and releasing).


>> * "Hide the Pegasus Mail taskbar entry when minimized"
>>  unchecked 
>
>AFAIK the problem does not occur unless that option is checked.

OK, with:

 * "Place an icon in the Windows System Tray" checked
 * "Animate the icon when new mail arrives" checked or unchecked
 * "Only display the icon when Pegasus Mail is minimized" checked or unchecked
 * "Hide the Pegasus Mail taskbar entry when minimized" checked or unchecked

....I still have no problem; a double-click brings PM to the fore.

(That said, I never use this method in practice, preferring ALT+TAB, so my 
experience is limited to a few minutes of testing.)

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J
12/29/2003 7:10:50 PM
In article <1ab05dd7d2b1db672dfb921e68337e14@news.teranews.com>, Fred Viles 
fv+abuse@nospam.usen.epitools.comsays...
> John Gray <nospam@invalid.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.1a58f4d376d28ecf9897db@news-server.woh.rr.com: 
> 
> >...
> >      I hate to bust that bubble, but it happens on Win95a
> >      (sometimes), and has on previous versions.
> 
> All I can say is it never happened to me on Win95 or Win98, but I now 
> longer remember what version Pegasus Mail was at when I switched from 
> 95 to 98.  I never saw it until the day I replaced my Win98 box with 
> W2K, with whatever version I was using at the time.  And my W2K 
> system the symptom is 100% repeatable, not intermittent.  Double-
> click on the systray icon opens a minimized Pegasus Mail to the 
> foreground the very first time after start up (I have PM set to start 
> up minimized), never again.
> 
> FWIW, I have only the "Hide Pegasus Mail taskbar entry when 
> minimized" sub-option enabled (and that option is necessary to see 
> the symptom).
> 
> - Fred
> 

Fred,
	Like you, I can't remember when I first noticed it.  Since I've upgraded 
Pegasus Mail every step from V2.54 or so, the memory clouds fairly quickly as to 
which version did exactly what, unless one loses a certain functionality he 
depended on.  It is intermittent on Win95a, and I couldn't reproduce yesterday 
while responding to your message.  The day before, it was constant.  I guess 
I'll have to take notes to pin it down, but it's not a major problem at any 
rate.  On the PM-WIN mailing list, the blame was placed on Windows window 
handling.


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John
12/29/2003 9:21:15 PM
"J. David Bryan" <wqoelna@npz.bet> wrote in
news:%__Hb.11$p_3.25577@news.abs.net: 

>...
> OK, with:
> 
>  * "Place an icon in the Windows System Tray" checked
>  * "Animate the icon when new mail arrives" checked or unchecked
>  * "Only display the icon when Pegasus Mail is minimized"
>  checked or unchecked
>  * "Hide the Pegasus Mail taskbar entry
>  when minimized" checked or unchecked 
> 
> ...I still have no problem; a double-click brings PM to the
> fore. 

Did you perhaps close and restart Pegasus Mail for each experiment?  
It does correctly open to the forground the *first* time after 
starting up.

If that's not it, that's very interesting.  What patches have been 
applied to your W2K?  I'm at SP2 plus selected hotfixes.

- Fred
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Fred
12/29/2003 10:22:57 PM
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:22:57 GMT in article 
<7ac65d6a1e417c0f0b0de33d9a6da8e1@news.teranews.com>, Fred Viles wrote...
>
>
>Did you perhaps close and restart Pegasus Mail for each experiment?

No, I just reset the options and retested, all within the context of a single 
PM execution.

  
>What patches have been applied to your W2K?

As I originally reported in response to your "/NT?" comment, my tests reflect 
NT4 (SP6a), not Win2K.  I don't have a Win2K system available any longer (and 
I wouldn't have noticed anyway when I did, as I don't use the tray icon to 
restore PM).
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J
12/30/2003 6:48:16 PM
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:21:15 GMT, John Gray <nospam@invalid.com>
wrote:

>In article <1ab05dd7d2b1db672dfb921e68337e14@news.teranews.com>, Fred Viles 
>fv+abuse@nospam.usen.epitools.comsays...
>> John Gray <nospam@invalid.com> wrote in
>> news:MPG.1a58f4d376d28ecf9897db@news-server.woh.rr.com: 
>> 
>> >...
>> >      I hate to bust that bubble, but it happens on Win95a
>> >      (sometimes), and has on previous versions.
>> 
>> All I can say is it never happened to me on Win95 or Win98, but I now 
>> longer remember what version Pegasus Mail was at when I switched from 
>> 95 to 98.  I never saw it until the day I replaced my Win98 box with 
>> W2K, with whatever version I was using at the time.  And my W2K 
>> system the symptom is 100% repeatable, not intermittent.  Double-
>> click on the systray icon opens a minimized Pegasus Mail to the 
>> foreground the very first time after start up (I have PM set to start 
>> up minimized), never again.
>> 
>> FWIW, I have only the "Hide Pegasus Mail taskbar entry when 
>> minimized" sub-option enabled (and that option is necessary to see 
>> the symptom).
>> 
>> - Fred
>> 
>
>Fred,
>	Like you, I can't remember when I first noticed it.  Since I've upgraded 
>Pegasus Mail every step from V2.54 or so, the memory clouds fairly quickly as to 
>which version did exactly what, unless one loses a certain functionality he 
>depended on.  It is intermittent on Win95a, and I couldn't reproduce yesterday 
>while responding to your message.  The day before, it was constant.  I guess 
>I'll have to take notes to pin it down, but it's not a major problem at any 
>rate.  On the PM-WIN mailing list, the blame was placed on Windows window 
>handling.

Does it's intermittence have anything to do with the applet next to
PMail in the system tray?  Just wondering if there's a pattern hidden
in there somewhere...

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Nomad
12/30/2003 7:08:47 PM
In article <qv81vvc4gdpan1g0pplu3bdhtckube47il@4ax.com>, Nomad 
nomad***@***absamail.co.zasays...
> 
> Does it's intermittence have anything to do with the applet next to
> PMail in the system tray?  Just wondering if there's a pattern hidden
> in there somewhere...
> 
> -- 
> Nomad
> 
> 
> 

Nomad,
	Could be, as I sometimes run various apps that have a system tray icon.  
However, I couldn't reproduce it with WebWasher, K9, ZoneAlarm, and Norton 
System Tray running.  The last two are a constant on my machine, the other three 
intermittent.  One I will add and try later is CyberKit 2.5, which has a system 
tray icon.  I can't think of others.  It does seem to be related to the load 
order of the intermittent programs and not to the constant ones that run on 
startup.  In a few days when I have no houseguests, I'll try to isolate it and 
report back if I find it.



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John
12/30/2003 9:39:04 PM
"J. David Bryan" <wqoelna@npz.bet> wrote in
news:SLjIb.6$4M5.108113@news.abs.net: 

>...
> As I originally reported in response to your "/NT?" comment, my
> tests reflect NT4 (SP6a), not Win2K.

Whup, sorry I lost track of that.  OK, so it works on NT as well as 
9x/ME.  Good to know, thanks.

- Fred
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Fred
12/31/2003 8:11:39 AM
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How preventing external mail from using internal 'mailing list'
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