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Ink cartridges with old dates?

Hello.

Is it a bad idea to be using old, un(us/open)ed ink cartridges, that 
were dated years ago, in old printers like HP Photosmart 8450?

Thank you in advance.
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In article <CK-dnbOvuoMq3mnOnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@earthlink.com>, 
ant@zimage.comANT says...
> Is it a bad idea to be using old, un(us/open)ed ink cartridges, that 
> were dated years ago, in old printers like HP Photosmart 8450?

If the heads are built into the cartridge, go ahead and try it. The 
worst that can happen is that it won't work well, if at all. Just have a 
spare good cartridge to use if the old one is unusable.

I tried an HP96 cartridge that was old. It sort-of worked, and the 
diagnostics page showed all the nozzles firing, but the ink must have 
been gummy as it was more gray than black. 

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8/20/2014 9:13:33 PM
> > Is it a bad idea to be using old, un(us/open)ed ink cartridges, that 
> > were dated years ago, in old printers like HP Photosmart 8450?

> If the heads are built into the cartridge, go ahead and try it. The 
> worst that can happen is that it won't work well, if at all. Just have a 
> spare good cartridge to use if the old one is unusable.

> I tried an HP96 cartridge that was old. It sort-of worked, and the 
> diagnostics page showed all the nozzles firing, but the ink must have 
> been gummy as it was more gray than black. 

Ah, I am trying to decide to buy cheaper older unopened ones or pay more 
for the new ones. 
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ANTant
8/21/2014 1:24:40 AM
ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) wrote:
>Ah, I am trying to decide to buy cheaper older unopened ones or pay more
>for the new ones.

How old?

I've seen HP inks for wide format printers that were
still perfectly good after sitting on the shelf for 6
years.  I've used 2 or 3 year old Epson carts with no
problem.  I've heard of many others with the same
experience.

Still, it boils down to how critical your prints are.
If you are making posters, brochures, menus, and the
like, that bascially are short term... try it and see
if it works.

For printing archival photographs for an exhibition, I'd
stick with current OEM inks.

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floyd
8/21/2014 2:58:43 AM
On 8/20/2014 7:58 PM PT, Floyd L. Davidson typed:

>> Ah, I am trying to decide to buy cheaper older unopened ones or pay more
>> for the new ones.
>
> How old?

Like a couple years old.


> I've seen HP inks for wide format printers that were
> still perfectly good after sitting on the shelf for 6
> years.  I've used 2 or 3 year old Epson carts with no
> problem.  I've heard of many others with the same
> experience.
>
> Still, it boils down to how critical your prints are.
> If you are making posters, brochures, menus, and the
> like, that bascially are short term... try it and see
> if it works.
>
> For printing archival photographs for an exhibition, I'd
> stick with current OEM inks.

I got a HP's e-mail about this when I asked:

I finally got a HP to e-mail me about this:

"... You need to know that the expiration date is related to an unopened 
cartridge, but after that, I would like to know when did you open it, 
also be aware that this cartridge is almost two years old in your 
possession, we do not advice tothe customers to have cartridge storage 
for more than 6 months, even this could be not advisable, but some 
customers do that.

Regarding the RMA, well, it will not be possible for me to offer you 
that, it is not an option..."

Is this true? :( Thank you in advance. :)
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8/22/2014 2:25:09 PM
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>On 8/20/2014 7:58 PM PT, Floyd L. Davidson typed:
>
>>> Ah, I am trying to decide to buy cheaper older unopened ones or pay more
>>> for the new ones.
>>
>> How old?
>
>Like a couple years old.
>
>> I've seen HP inks for wide format printers that were
>> still perfectly good after sitting on the shelf for 6
>> years.  I've used 2 or 3 year old Epson carts with no
>> problem.  I've heard of many others with the same
>> experience.
>>
>> Still, it boils down to how critical your prints are.
>> If you are making posters, brochures, menus, and the
>> like, that bascially are short term... try it and see
>> if it works.
>>
>> For printing archival photographs for an exhibition, I'd
>> stick with current OEM inks.
>
>I got a HP's e-mail about this when I asked:
>
>I finally got a HP to e-mail me about this:
>
>"... You need to know that the expiration date is
>related to an unopened cartridge, but after that, I
>would like to know when did you open it, also be aware
>that this cartridge is almost two years old in your
>possession, we do not advice tothe customers to have
>cartridge storage for more than 6 months, even this
>could be not advisable, but some customers do that.
>
>Regarding the RMA, well, it will not be possible for me
>to offer you that, it is not an option..."
>
>Is this true? :( Thank you in advance. :)

That is all true. Just be aware that they do NOT say
anything about whether the ink is good for 2 years or 10
years.  They say they don't advise keeping it that
long... mostly because they are in the business of
selling ink.  If you throw away any ink that is 2 years
old and buy new ink, it's good for HP.  Not so good for
you...

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floyd
8/22/2014 5:44:18 PM
On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.periphs.printers, in article
<87vbpkwhal.fld@barrow.com>, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

>Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

>> Floyd L. Davidson typed:

>>>> Ah, I am trying to decide to buy cheaper older unopened ones or
>>>> pay more for the new ones.

>>> How old?

>>Like a couple years old.

It varies - I've got two double boxes of HP60 Blacks with a "warranty
expires" date of "June 2012" bought about 2 years ago and stored in
the same place. Both cartridges in one box were DOA when I tried them
last month - one from the other box is working fine.

>>"... You need to know that the expiration date is
>>related to an unopened cartridge, but after that, I
>>would like to know when did you open it, also be aware
>>that this cartridge is almost two years old in your
>>possession, we do not advice tothe customers to have
>>cartridge storage for more than 6 months,

>That is all true. Just be aware that they do NOT say
>anything about whether the ink is good for 2 years or 10
>years.  They say they don't advise keeping it that
>long... mostly because they are in the business of
>selling ink.

BINGO!

>If you throw away any ink that is 2 years
>old and buy new ink, it's good for HP

or the other vendor you buy from.  I've had good luck with
"remanufactured" (meaning refilled) cartridges from both OfficeMax
and Staples.   Both will "buy" old/empty original, which further
reduces the costs.

>Not so good for you...

Phil, depending on the amount of ink you use, you may want to compare
prices at Frys Electronics as well as the office supply and
department stores (typical 2 pack retail) verses a "bulk" package (I've
seen packages of 10) at a warehouse type stores like Costco.

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Moe
8/23/2014 1:35:22 AM
On 8/22/2014 9:35 PM, Moe Trin wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.periphs.printers, in article
> <87vbpkwhal.fld@barrow.com>, Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>
>> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>
>>> Floyd L. Davidson typed:
>
>>>>> Ah, I am trying to decide to buy cheaper older unopened ones or
>>>>> pay more for the new ones.
>
>>>> How old?
>
>>> Like a couple years old.
>
> It varies - I've got two double boxes of HP60 Blacks with a "warranty
> expires" date of "June 2012" bought about 2 years ago and stored in
> the same place. Both cartridges in one box were DOA when I tried them
> last month - one from the other box is working fine.
>
>>> "... You need to know that the expiration date is
>>> related to an unopened cartridge, but after that, I
>>> would like to know when did you open it, also be aware
>>> that this cartridge is almost two years old in your
>>> possession, we do not advice tothe customers to have
>>> cartridge storage for more than 6 months,
>
>> That is all true. Just be aware that they do NOT say
>> anything about whether the ink is good for 2 years or 10
>> years.  They say they don't advise keeping it that
>> long... mostly because they are in the business of
>> selling ink.
>
> BINGO!
>
>> If you throw away any ink that is 2 years
>> old and buy new ink, it's good for HP
>
> or the other vendor you buy from.  I've had good luck with
> "remanufactured" (meaning refilled) cartridges from both OfficeMax
> and Staples.   Both will "buy" old/empty original, which further
> reduces the costs.
>
>> Not so good for you...
>
> Phil, depending on the amount of ink you use, you may want to compare
> prices at Frys Electronics as well as the office supply and
> department stores (typical 2 pack retail) verses a "bulk" package (I've
> seen packages of 10) at a warehouse type stores like Costco.
>
>          Old guy
>
Now here's an advantage of laser printers over inkjets. The toner 
doesn't wear out for years and years and years.

riserman
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riserman
8/23/2014 8:19:09 PM
I rarely print. Maybe a few pages per month. Hence, why I had this 
almost two/2 years old ink cartridge. I managed to get HP to mail me a 
replacement for free. :)
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8/23/2014 11:28:53 PM
On 8/23/2014 1:19 PM PT, riserman typed:
> Now here's an advantage of laser printers over inkjets. The toner
> doesn't wear out for years and years and years.

That will be my next printer when this one finally dies fully. Maybe its 
color cartridge holder is broken? We'll see when I get another color 
cartridge in about a week.
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8/23/2014 11:30:03 PM
In article <iuadnYh1pKUovmTOnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Ant  <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> I rarely print. Maybe a few pages per month. Hence, why I had this 
> almost two/2 years old ink cartridge. I managed to get HP to mail me a 
> replacement for free. :)

My last inkjet (HP Deskjet 1200C) used separate cartridges, and they
would crust over if you didn't print at least a few pages per month.
The last time, I couldn't get the cartridges to come back.  I made a file
with full-sheet grids in C, M, Y, and K (offset so I could see them
individually), and printed that a bunch of times.  No dice.

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8/24/2014 3:34:21 PM
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.periphs.printers, in article
<iuadnYh1pKUovmTOnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant wrote:

(I wrote):

]I've had good luck with "remanufactured" (meaning refilled) cartridges
]from both OfficeMax and Staples.   Both will "buy" old/empty original,
]which further reduces the costs.

]Phil, depending on the amount of ink you use, you may want to compare
]prices at Frys Electronics as well as the office supply and
]department stores (typical 2 pack retail) verses a "bulk" package
](I've seen packages of 10) at a warehouse type stores like Costco.

>I rarely print. Maybe a few pages per month. Hence, why I had this 
>almost two/2 years old ink cartridge.

Yeah, your best bet is probably to wait four or five months AFTER you
replace the cartridge before buying a 2-pack replacement (but check the
dates on the package when you do so).  As above, I'd suggest looking at
the refilled versions.  I'm retired now, and my monthly printing page
count has dropped dramatically, so I know where you're coming from.

In your reply to riserman, you mention a color cartridge and think
about buying a laser printer as a replacement.  Black/white lasers are
"relatively" inexpensive, and toner costs CAN be low (especially if
you buy bulk toner and refill your own).  Color lasers on the other
hand are substantially more expensive than color ink-jets, even when
you factor in the costs of toner vs. cartridges.  If your color use is
relatively low, it's going to take a long time to recoup the purchase
of a laser printer price compared to the extortionist price for the
ink-jet cartridges.  This is a good example of the "cost of an electric
razor verses the cost of razor blades" business model developed from
King Gillette's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_C._Gillette) idea.

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Moe
8/24/2014 4:32:55 PM
On 8/24/2014 8:34 AM PT, Hactar typed:

>> I rarely print. Maybe a few pages per month. Hence, why I had this
>> almost two/2 years old ink cartridge. I managed to get HP to mail me a
>> replacement for free. :)
>
> My last inkjet (HP Deskjet 1200C) used separate cartridges, and they
> would crust over if you didn't print at least a few pages per month.
> The last time, I couldn't get the cartridges to come back.  I made a file
> with full-sheet grids in C, M, Y, and K (offset so I could see them
> individually), and printed that a bunch of times.  No dice.

Wow. I print more black than colors for my printings. :( For me, my 
printer just refuses to use the cartridge and told me to re(place/move) 
it. :(
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8/24/2014 7:11:51 PM
On 8/22/2014 6:35 PM PT, Moe Trin typed:

> or the other vendor you buy from.  I've had good luck with
> "remanufactured" (meaning refilled) cartridges from both OfficeMax
> and Staples.   Both will "buy" old/empty original, which further
> reduces the costs.

So if I sell my ink cartridges to Staples/OfficeMax, will they refill 
them right away?
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8/24/2014 7:14:51 PM
On 8/24/2014 9:32 AM PT, Moe Trin typed:
> Yeah, your best bet is probably to wait four or five months AFTER you
> replace the cartridge before buying a 2-pack replacement (but check the
> dates on the package when you do so).  As above, I'd suggest looking at
> the refilled versions.  I'm retired now, and my monthly printing page
> count has dropped dramatically, so I know where you're coming from.

Hmm, any good sellers with refilled cartridges from Amazon? I think I 
tried one before, but its color outputs weren't good (color losses).


> In your reply to riserman, you mention a color cartridge and think
> about buying a laser printer as a replacement.  Black/white lasers are
> "relatively" inexpensive, and toner costs CAN be low (especially if
> you buy bulk toner and refill your own).  Color lasers on the other
> hand are substantially more expensive than color ink-jets, even when
> you factor in the costs of toner vs. cartridges.  If your color use is
> relatively low, it's going to take a long time to recoup the purchase
> of a laser printer price compared to the extortionist price for the
> ink-jet cartridges.  This is a good example of the "cost of an electric
> razor verses the cost of razor blades" business model developed from
> King Gillette's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_C._Gillette) idea.

I will check out laser printers when this old inkjet finally dies. :) 
For now, I will keep using it since it can still print B&W. I am waiting 
for my tri-color 97 replacement from HP in about a week. :/
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8/24/2014 7:17:03 PM
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.periphs.printers, in article
<ANKdnVxdCeQ2pGfOnZ2dnUVZ_o6XnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant wrote:

>Moe Trin typed:

>> I've had good luck with "remanufactured" (meaning refilled)
>> cartridges from both OfficeMax and Staples.   Both will "buy"
>> old/empty original, which further reduces the costs.

>So if I sell my ink cartridges to Staples/OfficeMax, will they refill 
>them right away?

You mean "refill while you wait"?  No - While refilling isn't all that
complicated/messy, it's not something they're set up to do.  You turn
in the old ones - they give you a "store credit" coupon, which you can
then use to purchase stuff in the store.  (I must admit that I have not
paid close attention to the coupon, and don't know if it's only good at
"this" store, or all stores in the chain, much less how long the coupon
is good for.  I redeem it on the same store visit, most commonly for
replacement cartridges.  I know of someone who apparently discovered a
"used inkjet cartridges" mine, and had accumulated enough store credits
that he then used to buy a low end ASUS laptop.)   The old cartridges
are put in a bin or box and then sent to some central facility where
they are cleaned/refilled/tested/repackaged and then distributed back
to the stores like normal merchandise.

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8/25/2014 5:43:54 PM
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Gray Photo Print HP 100 Cartridge versus/vs. Black Print Cartridge (HP 94/96) for an old HP Photosmart 4850 printer
Hello. I have an old HP Photosmart 4850 printer. I noticed it can have a Gray Photo Print HP 100 Cartridge or Black Print Cartridge (HP 94/96) for black. Do I assume HP 100 is only for grey scale printouts with images like photographs/photos.? And I would want to buy and use black print cartridge (HP 94/96) for printouts with mostly black texts (e.g., documents, web pages)? Thank you in advance. :) -- "..., you ready for a little dumpster diving?" "Um... okay." "You know I don't mind getting my hands dirty." "I mean, maggots, wet tras...

Date, date date date....
Date is driving me crazy. I simply need to calculate the age of a person: this is what doesn't work: public int getAge(Person person) { long d = new java.util.Date().getTime(); long m =person.dateOfBirth().getTime(); long l=d-m; SimpleDateFormat formatter = new SimpleDateFormat("yy"); return (new Integer(formatter.format(age))).intValue(); } I'm getting 91 for a person who's born in 1983 Since getYear() is depreciated I don't like to use that I found that Calender could do the job, but how do I cast Date into Calender in an easy way? hin...

Ink cartridges
Ink cartridges - for various printers: Hewlett-Packard Black Ink Cartridge, Part #514645A Brand new, unopened, unused, for use in these printers:H.P Deskjet 710, 712, 720, 722, 820, 830, 832, 850, 855, 870, 880, 882, 885, 887, 890, 895, 930, 932, 935, 950, 952, 960, 970, 990, 1000, 1120, 1220, 1600.Also for us in H.P. Designjets: Model 700, 750, 750C, 755CM. Also for us in H.P. Color Copiers, Model: 110, 120, 140, 145, 150, 155, 160, 170, 180, 190, 210, 21olx, 260, 270, 280, 290. Also fo use in H.P Officejets: Model r40, r60, r80, f45, f65, g55, g85, g95, k60, k80, 1150c, 1170c, 1...

Some use for old cartridges with ink
I was refilling my black cartridge and the needle came out. That made a big mess including black spots on the new T shirt I was wearing. So I decide to use the left over ink from an old cartridge and tint the T shirt black. It is now on the sink with black ink and very hot water. After this I wouldn't put it on the washer with other cloths. It may destroy all other pieces of clothing. John Hi John, Innovative... But you need to indicate which type of ink and which printer type. There are inks which are dye colorant based, some which are hybrid mixes, and some whic...

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