I am trying to back up my hard drive to DVD-RW disks using PowerQuest
Drive Image 7.  For some reason, Drive Image keeps telling me "the media is
not ready....".  These disks have been FULLY formatted by Roxio Easy Media
Creator to allow compression, and to be played on other computers, and are
brand new, never before used (except to format) disks.  Does anyone have any
ideas?  PowerQuest has not answered.
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                  >>>>>>>>>> jetjock <<<<<<<<<<

jetjock wrote:
>   I am trying to back up my hard drive to DVD-RW disks using PowerQuest
> Drive Image 7.  For some reason, Drive Image keeps telling me "the media is
> not ready....".  These disks have been FULLY formatted by Roxio Easy Media
> Creator to allow compression, and to be played on other computers, and are
> brand new, never before used (except to format) disks.  Does anyone have any
> ideas?  PowerQuest has not answered.
> --
> 
> 
> 
>                   >>>>>>>>>> jetjock <<<<<<<<<<
> 
I believe that Drive Image has to format the disks itself. It uses a 
form of packet writing that is a little different than Roxio uses. The 
disks are still readable on other computers after the install of Drive 
image.

mark24951 wrote:

> jetjock wrote:
> 
>>   I am trying to back up my hard drive to DVD-RW disks using PowerQuest
>> Drive Image 7.  For some reason, Drive Image keeps telling me "the 
>> media is
>> not ready....".  These disks have been FULLY formatted by Roxio Easy 
>> Media
>> Creator to allow compression, and to be played on other computers, and 
>> are
>> brand new, never before used (except to format) disks.  Does anyone 
>> have any
>> ideas?  PowerQuest has not answered.
>> -- 
>>
>>
>>
>>                   >>>>>>>>>> jetjock <<<<<<<<<<
>>
> I believe that Drive Image has to format the disks itself. It uses a 
> form of packet writing that is a little different than Roxio uses. The 
> disks are still readable on other computers after the install of Drive 
> image.

Backup software will generally accept any conforming formatting for 
variable-length packets, but not for fixed-length. jetjock appears to 
have compounded the problem by formatting with compression; DI 
compresses on backup in its own way.

In order to be read in DOS, the disc must be close to ISO 9660 Level 2 
format. Level 3 is close enough under the reading software because only 
a single file has been written, so there cannot be any interleaving. But 
an erasable formatted for fixed-length packets strongly violates Level 3 
and would require very elaborate software - essentially, a DOS UDF 
reader - to digest a disc formatted for fixed-length packets.

Note that results so far suggest that DVD-RW and DVD+RW are no more 
reliable than CD-RW. I strongly recommend using write-once discs if 
jetjock hopes to have the backup readable later. I also recommend 
writing to hard drive, then copying the backup(s) to optical disc as 
conventional DVD-ROM. One reason is that a failed disc late in the 
process requires all discs to be rewritten.

Mike
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    Mike Richter (Friggin Shit) splattered (6/21/04):
    > 
    > Recent versions of DCD saved the user one step
    > when closing a variable-length packet session without
    > closing the disc: they format for the (presumed) next session
    > when closing the last.

    "Save" one step!  But the supposed benefit of the "save" is this:

        ===================
        From:   "Bob M"
        Subject: Re: Roxio Easy CD Creator & Direct CD 5.0
        Date:    3/12/01

        DCD 5.0 does not temporarily close CD's
        so the session is always open, and most times,
        unreadable on ANY CD drive.

        They [cRoxio] hope to have a fix very soon
        ===================

    Wow!  The DirectCD bug is a "save" feature!

    > 
    > As I understand the spec, that's legal

    And the DirectCD bug is even sanctioned by the spec, no less!

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:16:42 -0700, Mike Richter <mrichter@cpl.net> wrote:

>mark24951 wrote:
>
>> jetjock wrote:
>> 
>>>   I am trying to back up my hard drive to DVD-RW disks using PowerQuest
>>> Drive Image 7.  For some reason, Drive Image keeps telling me "the 
>>> media is
>>> not ready....".  These disks have been FULLY formatted by Roxio Easy 
>>> Media
>>> Creator to allow compression, and to be played on other computers, and 
>>> are
>>> brand new, never before used (except to format) disks.  Does anyone 
>>> have any
>>> ideas?  PowerQuest has not answered.
>>> -- 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                   >>>>>>>>>> jetjock <<<<<<<<<<
>>>
>> I believe that Drive Image has to format the disks itself. It uses a 
>> form of packet writing that is a little different than Roxio uses. The 
>> disks are still readable on other computers after the install of Drive 
>> image.
>
>Backup software will generally accept any conforming formatting for 
>variable-length packets, but not for fixed-length. jetjock appears to 
>have compounded the problem by formatting with compression; DI 
>compresses on backup in its own way.
>
>In order to be read in DOS, the disc must be close to ISO 9660 Level 2 
>format. Level 3 is close enough under the reading software because only 
>a single file has been written, so there cannot be any interleaving. But 
>an erasable formatted for fixed-length packets strongly violates Level 3 
>and would require very elaborate software - essentially, a DOS UDF 
>reader - to digest a disc formatted for fixed-length packets.
>
>Note that results so far suggest that DVD-RW and DVD+RW are no more 
>reliable than CD-RW. I strongly recommend using write-once discs if 
>jetjock hopes to have the backup readable later. I also recommend 
>writing to hard drive, then copying the backup(s) to optical disc as 
>conventional DVD-ROM. One reason is that a failed disc late in the 
>process requires all discs to be rewritten.
>
>Mike

Thanks Mike & Mark for the replys.  They bring up a couple more questions
though.

 First, if DI formats the disk, why is there no option for that and why did
I get the following message the first time I used a new, blank, unformatted
disk:  "The media is not ready. It may be write protected. Make sure the
media is inserted into drive E: and is formatted and writeable."?  It was
after getting that message that I formatted the disks.

Second, is there anything I can do with the disks to correct the problem?

Third, I don't understand what you mean by "formatting WITH compression"
Roxio asks "Enable compression on this disk".  I thought that would allow
writing software such as DI to use compression when writing to the disk.  If
not, what does it do?

Writing to a hard drive and then copying to optical disk seems like the way
to go.  Thanks for the tip about a failed disk late in the process.  I
hadn't thought about that.

--



                  >>>>>>>>>> jetjock <<<<<<<<<<

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Mike Richter (Friggin' Shit) splattered:
> 
> I also recommend writing to hard drive, then copying the backup(s)
> to optical disc as conventional DVD-ROM.

Why then were you touting writing directly to DirectCD disk, while
belittling Ghost and Drive Image for lacking the very functionality?

    =====================
    From:    Mike Richter (Acraptec Shill)
    Subject: Re: Backups 
    Date:    9/24/99

    Ghost and Drive Image require another partition to which
    to write the image which you can then write to CD-R.

    Take Two writes directly to drives supported by Direct CD
    =====================

> One reason is that a failed disc late in the process
> requires all discs to be rewritten.

No doubt based on the Take Two horror shows?

    ========================
    From:    zman99
    Subject: Take Two
    Date:    7/24/00

    When backing up my hard drives, I get the following message:
    internal error, aborting backup (x:0001x) Or something like this.

    This occurs on the fourth disc of six.
    =============================

    (There are many other horror shows like the above and those are
     "luckier" ones.  There are many others who never even got the
     backup started.)

And with Take Two, backing up to hard disk is no guarantee:

    ========================
    From:   "Peter Jones"
    Subject: Take Two Backup Problems
    Date:    11/28/00

    When I use Take Two backup software it always fails with
    internal error at about 90% to 95% through the backup.
    It has never completed a backup.

    To take the CDR out the equation I have also tried backing up
    to another hard drive.  Always with compression on.

    I still get the same error.
    ========================

And there are many more Take Two horror shows!

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Mike Richter (Friggin' Shit) splattered:
> 
> Note that results so far suggest that DVD-RW and DVD+RW are no more
> reliable than CD-RW.

Thus, DVD-+RW is unreliable, I presume?

Anyhow, what results are those?  What's the source?  Isn't it funny that
there's no report of DVD-+RW losing data in dvd newsgroups?  Did you
just pull that out of your ass?

Is CD-RW unreliable, Mikey?

Once upon a time the supposedly *inherently* flaky, fragile, forgetful,
unreliable CD-RW media was good enough for BACKUP, of all things, even
when combined with the supposedly *inherently* flaky, fragile, faulty,
unreliable packet "format" -- according to none other than Mike Richter:

        =====================
        From:    Mike Richter (Acraptec Shill)
        Subject: A note on Take Two
        Date:    9/1/99

        You may  back up ...to a DCD-formatted erasable.
        =====================

> I strongly recommend using write-once discs if
> jetjock hopes to have the backup readable later.

Why is that Mikey?  Have you established that DVD-+RW are unreliable,
Mikey?  All you presented -- without substantiation, only on your say so
-- is that DVD-+RW are no more reliable than CD-RW.

If DVD-+RW are indeed unreliable -- as you slimily intimate here -- why
don't you pull it out of your ass and explicitly say so?

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Mike Richter (Friggin Shit) splattered:
> 
> I also recommend writing to hard drive, then copying the backup(s)
> to optical disc as conventional DVD-ROM.

But with Take Two, it must write directly to optical disc for it to work
IDEALLY:

        =======================
        From:     Mike Richter (Acraptec Shill)
        Subject:  A note on Take Two
        Date:     9/1/99

        For Take Two to work ideally, your drive must support
        packet writing and you must have DCD installed...to do it.
        =======================

Again, for Take Two to work IDEALLY, no less, it must write directly to
optical disc!!

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:16:42 -0700, Mike Richter <mrichter@cpl.net> wrote:

>mark24951 wrote:
>
>> jetjock wrote:
>> 
>>>   I am trying to back up my hard drive to DVD-RW disks using PowerQuest
>>> Drive Image 7.  For some reason, Drive Image keeps telling me "the 
>>> media is
>>> not ready....".  These disks have been FULLY formatted by Roxio Easy 
>>> Media
>>> Creator to allow compression, and to be played on other computers, and 
>>> are
>>> brand new, never before used (except to format) disks.  Does anyone 
>>> have any
>>> ideas?  PowerQuest has not answered.
>>> -- 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                   >>>>>>>>>> jetjock <<<<<<<<<<
>>>
>> I believe that Drive Image has to format the disks itself. It uses a 
>> form of packet writing that is a little different than Roxio uses. The 
>> disks are still readable on other computers after the install of Drive 
>> image.
>
>Backup software will generally accept any conforming formatting for 
>variable-length packets, but not for fixed-length. jetjock appears to 
>have compounded the problem by formatting with compression; DI 
>compresses on backup in its own way.
>
>In order to be read in DOS, the disc must be close to ISO 9660 Level 2 
>format. Level 3 is close enough under the reading software because only 
>a single file has been written, so there cannot be any interleaving. But 
>an erasable formatted for fixed-length packets strongly violates Level 3 
>and would require very elaborate software - essentially, a DOS UDF 
>reader - to digest a disc formatted for fixed-length packets.
>
>Note that results so far suggest that DVD-RW and DVD+RW are no more 
>reliable than CD-RW. I strongly recommend using write-once discs if 
>jetjock hopes to have the backup readable later. I also recommend 
>writing to hard drive, then copying the backup(s) to optical disc as 
>conventional DVD-ROM. One reason is that a failed disc late in the 
>process requires all discs to be rewritten.
>
>Mike

Thanks Mike & Mark for the replys.  They bring up a couple more questions
though.

 First, if DI formats the disk, why is there no option for that and why did
I get the following message the first time I used a new, blank, unformatted
disk:  "The media is not ready. It may be write protected. Make sure the
media is inserted into drive E: and is formatted and writeable."?  It was
after getting that message that I formatted the disks.

Second, is there anything I can do with the disks to correct the problem?

Third, I don't understand what you mean by "formatting WITH compression"
Roxio asks "Enable compression on this disk".  I thought that would allow
writing software such as DI to use compression when writing to the disk.  If
not, what does it do?

Writing to a hard drive and then copying to optical disk seems like the way
to go.  Thanks for the tip about a failed disk late in the process.  I
hadn't thought about that.

--



                  >>>>>>>>>> jetjock <<<<<<<<<<

jetjock wrote:

>  First, if DI formats the disk, why is there no option for that and why did
> I get the following message the first time I used a new, blank, unformatted
> disk:  "The media is not ready. It may be write protected. Make sure the
> media is inserted into drive E: and is formatted and writeable."?  It was
> after getting that message that I formatted the disks.
> 
> Second, is there anything I can do with the disks to correct the problem?
> 
> Third, I don't understand what you mean by "formatting WITH compression"
> Roxio asks "Enable compression on this disk".  I thought that would allow
> writing software such as DI to use compression when writing to the disk.  If
> not, what does it do?
> 
> Writing to a hard drive and then copying to optical disk seems like the way
> to go.  Thanks for the tip about a failed disk late in the process.  I
> hadn't thought about that.

First, I don't write directly to optical disc so I cannot answer; I 
don't write about what I don't know.

Second, you can try formatting without compression outside of DI. 
Someone who uses your version of DI as you want to may be able to be of 
more help.

Third, Roxio offers a general sort of compression of files which is 
decompressed by its (Windows) software. DI compresses data whether or 
not in proper files (e.g., protection mechanisms) and decompresses with 
its software - in Windows for file recovery, in DOS for partition 
recovery. DI can't interpret Roxio's compression and the Roxio program 
doesn't run in DOS. So *turn off* Roxio's compression when formatting 
for DI.

Finally, you're welcome for the tip. I strongly recommend using erasable 
media - CD and DVD except DVD-RAM - for test purposes only.

Mike
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http://www.mrichter.com/

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:38:21 -0700, Mike Richter <mrichter@cpl.net> wrote:

>jetjock wrote:
>
>>  First, if DI formats the disk, why is there no option for that and why did
>> I get the following message the first time I used a new, blank, unformatted
>> disk:  "The media is not ready. It may be write protected. Make sure the
>> media is inserted into drive E: and is formatted and writeable."?  It was
>> after getting that message that I formatted the disks.
>> 
>> Second, is there anything I can do with the disks to correct the problem?
>> 
>> Third, I don't understand what you mean by "formatting WITH compression"
>> Roxio asks "Enable compression on this disk".  I thought that would allow
>> writing software such as DI to use compression when writing to the disk.  If
>> not, what does it do?
>> 
>> Writing to a hard drive and then copying to optical disk seems like the way
>> to go.  Thanks for the tip about a failed disk late in the process.  I
>> hadn't thought about that.
>
>First, I don't write directly to optical disc so I cannot answer; I 
>don't write about what I don't know.
>
>Second, you can try formatting without compression outside of DI. 
>Someone who uses your version of DI as you want to may be able to be of 
>more help.
>
>Third, Roxio offers a general sort of compression of files which is 
>decompressed by its (Windows) software. DI compresses data whether or 
>not in proper files (e.g., protection mechanisms) and decompresses with 
>its software - in Windows for file recovery, in DOS for partition 
>recovery. DI can't interpret Roxio's compression and the Roxio program 
>doesn't run in DOS. So *turn off* Roxio's compression when formatting 
>for DI.
>
>Finally, you're welcome for the tip. I strongly recommend using erasable 
>media - CD and DVD except DVD-RAM - for test purposes only.
>
>Mike

Thanks again for all the help.
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Mike Richter (Friggin' Shit) splattered:
> 
> I don't write about what I don't know.

No kidding!

How about piping in under the slimiest, flimsiest pretext?

Do you know BurnAtOnce?

      =================================
      Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) spewed:

      > ... BurnAtOnce which 
      > does multisession data with cdrDAO using this xa method.

      DAO is not capable of multisession. 
    
      [ Wow!  What wise words! ]
      =================================

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Mike Richter (Friggin' Shit) splattered:
> 
> First, I don't write directly to optical disc

Why then were you touting writing directly to DirectCD disk, while
belittling Ghost and Drive Image for lacking the very functionality?

    =====================
    From:    Mike Richter (Friggin' Scum)
    Subject: Re: Backups 
    Date:    9/24/99

    Ghost and Drive Image require another partition to which
    to write the image which you can then write to CD-R.

    Take Two writes directly to drives supported by Direct CD
    =====================

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