> Making Data Talk
> Communicating Public Health Data to the Public, Policy Makers, and the
Press
> a book by NCI authors Drs. David Nelson, Brad Hesse, and Bob Croyle.

http://www.amazon.com/Making-Data-Talk-Communicating-Public/dp/019538153
X

> Presenters will provide practical suggestions
> on how scientists and other public health practitioners
> can better communicate data to the public, policy makers,
> and the press in typical real-world situations.

Hmmm,

MAKING it talk has the connotations of a Water-Boarding. When you
torture the data you get Over-Fitting =96 it tells you what you want to
hear. I prefer to sit down with my data to a nice dinner and maybe
invite it up later for =91Coffee=92. Advanced techniques work better than
crude force and allow to coax and tease out those shy correlation,
interactions and trends.

Nerds Rule.


On 6 Jan, 21:54, r...@CDC.GOV ("Fehd, Ronald J. (CDC/CCHIS/NCPHI)")
wrote:
> > Making Data Talk
> > Communicating Public Health Data to the Public, Policy Makers, and the
> Press
> > a book by NCI authors Drs. David Nelson, Brad Hesse, and Bob Croyle.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Making-Data-Talk-Communicating-Public/dp/019538153
> X
>
>
>
> > Presenters will provide practical suggestions
> > on how scientists and other public health practitioners
> > can better communicate data to the public, policy makers,
> > and the press in typical real-world situations.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Jan 7, 4:55=A0am, "Eli Y. Kling" <eli.kl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm,
>
> MAKING it talk has the connotations of a Water-Boarding. When you
> torture the data you get Over-Fitting =96 it tells you what you want to
> hear. I prefer to sit down with my data to a nice dinner and maybe
> invite it up later for =91Coffee=92. Advanced techniques work better than
> crude force and allow to coax and tease out those shy correlation,
> interactions and trends.
>
> Nerds Rule.

Maybe so, but I prefer the "24" approach, with Jack Bauer holding a
hot iron close to the face of the dataset, screaming "TELL ME NOW!
WHERE IS THE CORRELATION?! AND WHY THE F*** ARE MY TABLES SPARSE?
WHERE DID YOU PUT THE MISSING VALUES?"  Dinner and afterglow are fine,
but when you need results in a hurry, I'd go for the Bauer method.
I'd also respectfully add that the "coaxing and teasing" methods are
manipulative, and are not unlike getting a drunken prom queen to do
your bidding.

Nerds do, indeed, rule (or maybe we watch too much TV)

We just apply PROC FISH, followed by PROC SIGNIFICANT
and

VOILA!

Peter


-----Original Message-----
>From: "Eli Y. Kling" <eli.kling@GMAIL.COM>
>Sent: Jan 7, 2010 4:55 AM
>To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: book: Making Data Talk
>
>Hmmm,
>
>MAKING it talk has the connotations of a Water-Boarding. When you
>torture the data you get Over-Fitting – it tells you what you want to
>hear. I prefer to sit down with my data to a nice dinner and maybe
>invite it up later for ‘Coffee’. Advanced techniques work better than
>crude force and allow to coax and tease out those shy correlation,
>interactions and trends.
>
>Nerds Rule.
>
>
>On 6 Jan, 21:54, r...@CDC.GOV ("Fehd, Ronald J. (CDC/CCHIS/NCPHI)")
>wrote:
>> > Making Data Talk
>> > Communicating Public Health Data to the Public, Policy Makers, and the
>> Press
>> > a book by NCI authors Drs. David Nelson, Brad Hesse, and Bob Croyle.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Making-Data-Talk-Communicating-Public/dp/019538153
>> X
>>
>>
>>
>> > Presenters will provide practical suggestions
>> > on how scientists and other public health practitioners
>> > can better communicate data to the public, policy makers,
>> > and the press in typical real-world situations.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -


Peter L. Flom, PhD
Statistical Consultant
Website: http://www DOT statisticalanalysisconsulting DOT com/
Writing; http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/582880/peter_flom.html
Twitter:   @peterflom

PROC FISH,  PROC SIGNIFICANT?

HAH! That's old hat. No book on using SAS to make data talk is complete without coverage of

  PROC FABRICATE;

with a review of such options as

    FUDGE=asneeded
and
    SOURCE=wholecloth


And of course, to be really up-to-date, there should be some discussion of relevant new procedures in 9.2 such as

 PROC GETGRANT / fund=stimulus_pack   status=shovelready  ;





Regards,
Mark


> -----Original Message-----
> From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Peter Flom
> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:35 AM
> To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Subject: Re: book: Making Data Talk
>
> We just apply PROC FISH, followed by PROC SIGNIFICANT
> and
>
> VOILA!
>
> Peter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "Eli Y. Kling" <eli.kling@GMAIL.COM>
> >Sent: Jan 7, 2010 4:55 AM
> >To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: book: Making Data Talk
> >
> >Hmmm,
> >
> >MAKING it talk has the connotations of a Water-Boarding. When you
> >torture the data you get Over-Fitting – it tells you what you want to
> >hear. I prefer to sit down with my data to a nice dinner and maybe
> >invite it up later for ‘Coffee’. Advanced techniques work better than
> >crude force and allow to coax and tease out those shy correlation,
> >interactions and trends.
> >
> >Nerds Rule.
> >
> >
> >On 6 Jan, 21:54, r...@CDC.GOV ("Fehd, Ronald J. (CDC/CCHIS/NCPHI)")
> >wrote:
> >> > Making Data Talk
> >> > Communicating Public Health Data to the Public, Policy Makers, and
> the
> >> Press
> >> > a book by NCI authors Drs. David Nelson, Brad Hesse, and Bob
> Croyle.
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/Making-Data-Talk-Communicating-
> Public/dp/019538153
> >> X
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Presenters will provide practical suggestions
> >> > on how scientists and other public health practitioners
> >> > can better communicate data to the public, policy makers,
> >> > and the press in typical real-world situations.- Hide quoted text
> -
> >>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> Peter L. Flom, PhD
> Statistical Consultant
> Website: http://www DOT statisticalanalysisconsulting DOT com/
> Writing; http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/582880/peter_flom.html
> Twitter:   @peterflom