Re: R vs. SAS (was Replacement for SAS (SPSS vs. SAS, redux)) #2

Sounds like R is the SAS equivalent of Linux .. who are incidentally in all
sorts of a copy left/right mess at the moment.

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:39:37 -0500, Peter Flom <flom@NDRI.ORG> wrote:

>I use both SAS and R; I"ve used SAS for 10 or 15 years, R for about 6
>months - 1 year.
>Each has strengths and weaknesses; I'd not like to give up either.
>Strengths of SAS (esp. compared to R)
>Tech support - I have SAS tech support's phone number and our license
>number memorized.  They're great.
>SAS-L - There's also an R-help list, and it's also great, but the mood
>is different; r-help is less welcoming to newbie questions, silly
>questions, badly worded questions, not directly on topic questions, and
>so on.
>Dealing with large data sets - I don't do this much, but SAS is clearly
>faster for large data sets, on which R sometimes bogs down completely.
>Dealing with 'unusual' data - SAS clearly shines in terms of ability to
>input almost anything.  R is more limited in this regard, and harder to
>work with.
>Strengths of R
>It's free
>It's extendable - You can write programs as complex as you wish, and
>many people have contributed many programs to R.
>It's open source - You can see the actual code that it uses; if you
>like, you can modify the code.
>Graphics - R produces amazing graphics, of (almost) any type.  Even
>with SAS GRAPH, I don't think SAS can match it.  Without SAS GRAPH,
>well......  Also, from the little I've seen, SAS GRAPH is harder to use
>than R graphics to produce equal-quality stuff.
>Cutting edge statistics - Many are developed in R (or in its commercial
>cousin - S Plus).  It takes a while for them to make it into SAS.
>Just MHO
>>>> bogdan romocea <br44092@GAWAB.COM> 2/5/2004 9:29:29 AM >>>
>I think there is a software package around which is a worthy
>replacement for SAS. The bean counters should be very happy to
>find out that it can be obtained for free - it's Free Software
>(released under the terms of the Free Software Foundation's GNU
>General Public License in source code form). Naturally, I'm not
>talking about SPSS.
>The possible replacement for SAS is R, http://www.r-project.org/
>There are some very notable differences between SAS and R. One
>is a proprietary, very expensive, mature, well-supported
>software with lots of features and a big user community. The
>other is fairly young and not that well supported, but anyone
>can improve it (want to fix a bug or add a new feature? - you
>can do it yourself, the source code is available). And of
>course, you can get it for $0.
>Depending on your situation you may find that a transition from
>SAS to R is something of interest to you now. Here are a couple
>of excerpts from R's web site:
>R is an integrated suite of software facilities for data
>manipulation, calculation and graphical display. It includes
>* an effective data handling and storage facility,
>* a suite of operators for calculations on arrays, in particular
>* a large, coherent, integrated collection of intermediate tools
>for data analysis,
>* graphical facilities for data analysis and display either
>on-screen or on hardcopy, and
>* a well-developed, simple and effective programming language
>which includes conditionals, loops, user-defined recursive
>functions and input and output facilities.
>R provides a wide variety of statistical (linear and nonlinear
>modelling, classical statistical tests, time-series analysis,
>classification, clustering, ...) and graphical techniques, and
>is highly extensible. The S language is often the vehicle of
>choice for research in statistical methodology, and R provides
>an Open Source route to participation in that activity.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Talbot Michael Katz [mailto:topkatz@MSN.COM]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:26 PM
>Subject: SPSS vs. SAS, redux
>Hey, gang!
>I thought now would be as good a time as any to dust off the
>periodic SPSS
>comparison thread, and see what the current thinking is among my
>fellow SAS
>users.  (By the way, does SPSS have a list-serve comparable to
>SAS-L?  Or
>user groups like SUGI?)  Naturally, I have an ulterior motive --
>the bean
>counters have once again recoiled in horror at the annual $A$
>and they want to do some comparison shopping.  I've been
>appointed the SAS
>defense counsel.  The problem is, I know less than nothing about
>opponent.  I haven't used SPSS in more than ten years; I've
>forgotten the
>little that I knew, and I have no experience with the wealth of
>they've made in the past decade.  Here's the marketing pitch
>they hit me
>15 Mbytes Free Web-based and  POP3
>Sign up now: http://www.gawab.com
ben.powell1 (971)
2/5/2004 3:36:32 PM
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