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Re: SAS-L Panel / SAS-L Archives #4

If someone follows a thread all the way to the end, then yes, the
correct answer(s) will usually be found.  But the Text Miner would have
to be able to find "the answer you just gave was wrong, and here's why"
messages, and not report the original wrong answers.  That's what I
think would be hard.

And David's joking, of course: sometimes there are clearly and
unarguably wrong answers on SAS-L.  I've given them myself
occasionally.





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JackHamilton@FirstHealth.com
Manager, Technical Development
Metrics Department, First Health
West Sacramento, California USA

>>> "Peter Flom" <flom@NDRI.ORG> 12/23/2003 2:17 PM >>>
I think, actually, this is one of the great strengths of mailing
lists;
SAS-L in particular:  Mistakes don't survive.

If you ask an "expert", he or she may get it wrong.  Everyone makes
mistakes (except Ian :-).  People can also misunderstand questions.

But, if you post a question here, and someone posts a wrong response,
or if a question is confusing, things get straightened out, usually
quickly.


Peter

>>> "David L. Cassell" <cassell.david@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV> 12/23/2003
4:29:34 PM >>>
Jack Hamilton <JackHamilton@FIRSTHEALTH.COM> replied:
> An interesting problem with running text miner against SAS-L: how do
you
> avoid returning incorrect answers?

Come now.  Surely you don't mean to imply that anyone ever gives a
*wrong* answer on SAS-L?  There may be sub-optimal answers, or
not-well-worded answers on occasion, but none of the posters on SAS-L
ever makes a *mistake* ...

:-)  :-)
David
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mathematical statistician
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