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Floppy Disc Drive Woes

Hello all,

It's been such a long time since I needed my floppy drive that I was 
surprised it didn't work.

Nevermind, I thought, I have a spare one in an old RPC. I tested it 
and it works in the old machine.

So I put the the old floppy drive into my Kinetic Risc PC and it 
didn't work either. Gives lots of disc errors and is not reliable.

In fact, both floppy drives work in the old RPC and neither works in 
the Kinetic Risc PC! Both computers use RO 4, the Kinetic RO4.03.

I even swapped the ribbon cable from the working computer.

All advice gratefully accepted.

All the best,

Art


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On 5 Dec 2006 Art Robb <art@art-robb.co.uk> wrote:
> It's been such a long time since I needed my floppy drive that I was 
> surprised it didn't work.
> 
> Nevermind, I thought, I have a spare one in an old RPC. I tested it 
> and it works in the old machine.
> 
> So I put the the old floppy drive into my Kinetic Risc PC and it 
> didn't work either. Gives lots of disc errors and is not reliable.
> 
> In fact, both floppy drives work in the old RPC and neither works in 
> the Kinetic Risc PC! Both computers use RO 4, the Kinetic RO4.03.

Do both drives work in the other RPC?

Check the floppy drive power connector, as its a small plug and wires can
come lose after many insersions and removals.

The floppy disc is driven by the IDE controller, so if the HD is working, it
only really leaves a fault in the FD socket or tracks to the chip.

---druck

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news5843 (7461)
12/5/2006 6:00:21 PM
[Posted and mailed]

[Posted and mailed]

In message <fb9c93904e.druck@druck.freeuk.net>
          druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:

> On 5 Dec 2006 Art Robb <art@art-robb.co.uk> wrote:
>> It's been such a long time since I needed my floppy drive that I was
>> surprised it didn't work.
>> 
>> Nevermind, I thought, I have a spare one in an old RPC. I tested it
>> and it works in the old machine.
>> 
>> So I put the the old floppy drive into my Kinetic Risc PC and it
>> didn't work either. Gives lots of disc errors and is not reliable.
>> 
>> In fact, both floppy drives work in the old RPC and neither works in
>> the Kinetic Risc PC! Both computers use RO 4, the Kinetic RO4.03.
> 
> Do both drives work in the other RPC?
> 
> Check the floppy drive power connector, as its a small plug and wires can
> come lose after many insersions and removals.
> 
> The floppy disc is driven by the IDE controller, so if the HD is working, it
> only really leaves a fault in the FD socket or tracks to the chip.
> 
> ---druck

Yes, both drives work in the other RPC. Not only that, but I swopped 
PSUs - one was noisy - so both drives worked with both PSUs in the 
other RPC. So I suspect it's not the FD socket.

I wonder if I'm doing some thing silly. From the main board I have one 
HD, the FD and a CD burner. Is that too many?

I have another HD connected to a UniPod. Could I try running the FD 
from the Unipod?

Many thanks,

Art


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art2014 (12)
12/6/2006 8:44:18 AM
On  6-Dec-2006, Art Robb <art@art-robb.co.uk> wrote:

> Yes, both drives work in the other RPC. Not only that, but I swopped
> PSUs - one was noisy - so both drives worked with both PSUs in the
> other RPC. So I suspect it's not the FD socket.
>
> I wonder if I'm doing some thing silly. From the main board I have one
> HD, the FD and a CD burner. Is that too many?
>
> I have another HD connected to a UniPod. Could I try running the FD
> from the Unipod?

You can't run a floppy drive from a HD IDE interface.

The PSU thing was a bit of a waste of time. If you got a drive icon then the
drive was being detected which meant it was getting 5v.

Since you seem to be saying that both floppy drives and cables work
perfectly on another computer by process of elimination it must be a
motherboard fault. One possibility (which I've seen with the HD socket but
not the FD - yet) is bad solder joints. If the socket isn't pushed tightly
against the PCB when it's soldered in then downward pressure on it can be
transmitted through the pCB by the pins and fracture the tracks.
Alternatively it could just be a dry joint.

Although the same IC is used for the HD and FD (amongst other things) the FD
part *can* fail leaving everything else working.

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black_hole (774)
12/6/2006 2:03:18 PM
druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> The floppy disc is driven by the IDE controller, so if the HD is working, it
> only really leaves a fault in the FD socket or tracks to the chip.

Well, not really.  The floppy drive is driven by the FDC37C665GT I/O chip.
Most of the IDE signals don't go near this device - it only provides address
decoding for the two IDE chip selects.  It's quite conceivable that a clock
failure wouldn't affect this simple address decoding circuit but would
render the floppy interface inactive.  Similarly the floppy drive INDEX pin
(triggered by a hole in the disc once per rotation) is connected to an IOMD
interrupt input - if it doesn't see this interrupt you'll get 'Drive Empty'
errors.

A better check of the I/O chip would be if the serial port was working,
since that makes use of both the timing functions and the interrupts.  But a
dead serial port doesn't mean a dead I/O chip - it's probably a fried serial
line driver chip instead.

But druck's right, the most likely problem is a break somewhere between the
floppy pins on the FDC37C665GT and the drive.  Though knowing what the disc
errors were might help diagnose this.

Theo
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news539 (2440)
12/6/2006 2:20:02 PM
In message <Qlq*KrBxr@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
          Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>> The floppy disc is driven by the IDE controller, so if the HD is working, it
>> only really leaves a fault in the FD socket or tracks to the chip.
> 
> Well, not really.  The floppy drive is driven by the FDC37C665GT I/O chip.
> Most of the IDE signals don't go near this device - it only provides address
> decoding for the two IDE chip selects.  It's quite conceivable that a clock
> failure wouldn't affect this simple address decoding circuit but would
> render the floppy interface inactive.  Similarly the floppy drive INDEX pin
> (triggered by a hole in the disc once per rotation) is connected to an IOMD
> interrupt input - if it doesn't see this interrupt you'll get 'Drive Empty'
> errors.
> 
> A better check of the I/O chip would be if the serial port was working,
> since that makes use of both the timing functions and the interrupts.  But a
> dead serial port doesn't mean a dead I/O chip - it's probably a fried serial
> line driver chip instead.
> 
> But druck's right, the most likely problem is a break somewhere between the
> floppy pins on the FDC37C665GT and the drive.  Though knowing what the disc
> errors were might help diagnose this.
> 
> Theo

Theo,

Clicking on the FD icon on the icon bar brings up a window showing 
various files. Some act normally - !Edit files that can be read and 
copied. Other files cause errors:

Disc Error 24 at :0/0012C800
Disc Error 22 at :0/0012C800

This is with a floppy disc that worked perfectly well in another 
machine.

Does that help?

Art

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art2014 (12)
12/7/2006 9:35:56 AM
In article <841a6d914e.artlute@freeuk.com>, Art Robb
<URL:mailto:art@art-robb.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <Qlq*KrBxr@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
>           Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> >> The floppy disc is driven by the IDE controller, so if the HD is working, it
> >> only really leaves a fault in the FD socket or tracks to the chip.
> > 
> > Well, not really.  The floppy drive is driven by the FDC37C665GT I/O chip.
> > Most of the IDE signals don't go near this device - it only provides address
> > decoding for the two IDE chip selects.  It's quite conceivable that a clock
> > failure wouldn't affect this simple address decoding circuit but would
> > render the floppy interface inactive.  Similarly the floppy drive INDEX pin
> > (triggered by a hole in the disc once per rotation) is connected to an IOMD
> > interrupt input - if it doesn't see this interrupt you'll get 'Drive Empty'
> > errors.
> > 
> > A better check of the I/O chip would be if the serial port was working,
> > since that makes use of both the timing functions and the interrupts.  But a
> > dead serial port doesn't mean a dead I/O chip - it's probably a fried serial
> > line driver chip instead.
> > 
> > But druck's right, the most likely problem is a break somewhere between the
> > floppy pins on the FDC37C665GT and the drive.  Though knowing what the disc
> > errors were might help diagnose this.
> > 
> > Theo
> 
> Theo,
> 
> Clicking on the FD icon on the icon bar brings up a window showing 
> various files. Some act normally - !Edit files that can be read and 
> copied. Other files cause errors:
> 
> Disc Error 24 at :0/0012C800
> Disc Error 22 at :0/0012C800
> 
> This is with a floppy disc that worked perfectly well in another 
> machine.

It may be rare but I think Theo is correct either your I/O chip is faulty or
the tracking to the socket is faulty.
You have eliminated all the more common problems and that leaves only the
above or an extremely rare problem that no one has yet mentioned.

Chris Evans

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chris8168 (2937)
12/8/2006 10:40:25 AM
In article <9d8ae4904e.artlute@freeuk.com>,
   Art Robb <art@art-robb.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes, both drives work in the other RPC. Not only that, but I swopped 
> PSUs - one was noisy - so both drives worked with both PSUs in the 
> other RPC. So I suspect it's not the FD socket.

> I wonder if I'm doing some thing silly. From the main board I have one 
> HD, the FD and a CD burner. Is that too many?

> I have another HD connected to a UniPod. Could I try running the FD 
> from the Unipod?

FDs have their own dedicated bus - it's not the same as the IDE one for HD
and CD - even on new PCs.

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dave137 (3026)
12/8/2006 11:28:59 AM
Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <841a6d914e.artlute@freeuk.com>, Art Robb
> <URL:mailto:art@art-robb.co.uk> wrote:
>> Clicking on the FD icon on the icon bar brings up a window showing 
>> various files. Some act normally - !Edit files that can be read and 
>> copied. Other files cause errors:
>> 
>> Disc Error 24 at :0/0012C800
>> Disc Error 22 at :0/0012C800
> 
> It may be rare but I think Theo is correct either your I/O chip is faulty or
> the tracking to the socket is faulty.
> You have eliminated all the more common problems and that leaves only the
> above or an extremely rare problem that no one has yet mentioned.

I think the faulty chip or board problem is most likely.  Error 22 is 'Data
CRC error' and 24 is 'Missing address mark', both of which are due to
failing to read data from the disc.  As you've swapped everything (drive,
cable, disc) that just leaves the motherboard.  I can't see why you'd have
only errors in some places if there was a broken track or similar.  I
suspect something is wrong with your controller chip, for which the easiest
fix is a board swap.

Theo
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news539 (2440)
12/8/2006 1:16:11 PM
In message <841a6d914e.artlute@freeuk.com>
          Art Robb <art@art-robb.co.uk> wrote:

> Clicking on the FD icon on the icon bar brings up a window showing 
> various files. Some act normally - !Edit files that can be read and 
> copied. Other files cause errors:
> 
> Disc Error 24 at :0/0012C800
> Disc Error 22 at :0/0012C800
> 
> This is with a floppy disc that worked perfectly well in another 
> machine.

Have we ruled out simple misalignment between the drive on which the
disc was formatted/written, and the drive on which it is now being
read?

When I got my Iyonix, I was most surprised to discover that the floppy
that I keep my accounts on was not readable in the Iyonix.  Further
investigation proved that each drive would read discs that it had
formatted and written, but that discs were not interchangeable between
my Iyonix and my Risc PC.

Dave
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davehigton (2157)
12/9/2006 7:12:31 PM
On  9-Dec-2006, Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> Have we ruled out simple misalignment between the drive on which the
> disc was formatted/written, and the drive on which it is now being
> read?

Yes, because earlier in this thread the OP said that the drive worked
perfectly in another machine.

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black_hole (774)
12/10/2006 7:40:45 AM
David Holden <black_hole@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes, because earlier in this thread the OP said that the drive worked
> perfectly in another machine.

....presumably with the same disc too?  Otherwise there could still be
misalignment.

Dave's right, I hadn't thought about misalignment - the error numbers are
the sort of thing that would happen if it were misaligned.

Theo
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news539 (2440)
12/10/2006 11:49:57 AM
In message <XUq*z0Vxr@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
          Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> David Holden <black_hole@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
>> Yes, because earlier in this thread the OP said that the drive worked
>> perfectly in another machine.
> 
> ...presumably with the same disc too?  Otherwise there could still be
> misalignment.
> 
> Dave's right, I hadn't thought about misalignment - the error numbers are
> the sort of thing that would happen if it were misaligned.
> 
> Theo


Thanks for all the thoughtful suggestions. When the FDD works, it 
works very well and with any disc I've tried it on.

I've put one computer away now. Just the Kinetic RPC left and I have 
hesitated to let you know what I've found as it seems so absurd.

I have taken to working on the computer on my wooden workbench in the 
middle of the room. It's much easier. On the bench, the Floppy Disc 
Drive works. When I put the computer back in it's normal place, the 
FDD does not work.

For testing, the only thing plugged in at each location is the mouse 
and monitor. I'll try moving the computer one more time before I post 
this.......same result.

The two surfaces upon which the computer rests are slightly different. 
Could the main board be flexing?

Actually, this is getting a bit academic as the small amount of work I 
needed to do with the FDD I did while it was working and I may never 
need it again!!

Many thanks,

Art




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art2014 (12)
12/15/2006 4:47:40 PM
Art Robb <art@art-robb.co.uk> wrote:
> For testing, the only thing plugged in at each location is the mouse 
> and monitor. I'll try moving the computer one more time before I post 
> this.......same result.
> 
> The two surfaces upon which the computer rests are slightly different. 
> Could the main board be flexing?

Perhaps, though I'd be surprised unless there was significant weight on the
case.  Is it a CRT monitor?  They generate quite strong magnetic fields,
which might possibly be disturbing the unscreened floppy cable.  You could
try shielding the cable with grounded baking foil (/very/carefully/ ensuring
it doesn't short anything) as a rough test of this.  What happens if you
take the floppy drive out of the machine and wave it in the air - does it
vary with position?  What about with the lid on and the lid off?

> Actually, this is getting a bit academic as the small amount of work I 
> needed to do with the FDD I did while it was working and I may never 
> need it again!!

But then you'd never learn about electronics voodoo :-)

Theo
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news539 (2440)
12/17/2006 12:00:34 AM
Theo Markettos wrote:
> Art Robb <art@art-robb.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Perhaps, though I'd be surprised unless there was significant weight on the
> case.  Is it a CRT monitor?  They generate quite strong magnetic fields,
> which might possibly be disturbing the unscreened floppy cable.  You could
> try shielding the cable with grounded baking foil (/very/carefully/ ensuring

I once made a monitor stand (MDF and sawn up broom handle - nice!) to
go over my A3000.  Used it for ages, no problem.  Then moved to another
desk and started getting floppy errors - the new desk had less space to
pull the A3K forward so the FDD stayed under the monitor and in its
field.  Sorted by taping some foil to the underside of the stand. _But_
that was an A3000 with a thin plastic casing and no metallic paint
inside - one would hope the RPC might be a little more resistant!

Rgds,
Andrew

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ajw99uk (550)
12/18/2006 11:33:04 PM
Andrew Wickham <ajw99uk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I once made a monitor stand (MDF and sawn up broom handle - nice!) to
> go over my A3000.  Used it for ages, no problem.  Then moved to another
> desk and started getting floppy errors - the new desk had less space to
> pull the A3K forward so the FDD stayed under the monitor and in its
> field.  Sorted by taping some foil to the underside of the stand. _But_
> that was an A3000 with a thin plastic casing and no metallic paint
> inside - one would hope the RPC might be a little more resistant!

Not really... the screening paint is probably fairly high resistance, so
it'll be OK for electric fields but not for magnetic ones.  Thus it'll block
those at far-field (about > 1/6 wavelength, the higher frequencies) but not
those in near-field.  Monitor deflection frequencies are of the order of KHz
and mostly have a magnetic component in the near-field (which is their
intended purpose, to deflect the CRT electrons) so will not be significantly
blocked by such shielding.  

Your foil worked because it was low resistance and so the magnetic fields
could induce a significant opposing current into it.  This doesn't happen in
the screening paint.

The screening paint was to get below the high-frequency emission tests - for
the same reason the RPC motherboard mk3 has its VGA output filtered to
remove the high frequencies (and thus blurred the video).  Incidentally,
monitors and monitor cables are quite a good source of EM emissions - to
the extent that it's possible to reconstruct the image on someone's screen
by recording the emissions many metres away.

Theo
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news539 (2440)
12/20/2006 7:04:58 PM
<Snip>

> I have taken to working on the computer on my wooden workbench in the 
> middle of the room. It's much easier. On the bench, the Floppy Disc 
> Drive works. When I put the computer back in it's normal place, the 
> FDD does not work.
<Snip>

Although you have detected this problem, I have noticed one problem with 
floppies from one machine to another.

This was the 'step' value, if this was too high, at certain time the 
Floppy Drive would return a disc error!

might help some but not many I guess :@)
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2/12/2007 10:31:12 PM
"Chris Evans (CJE/4D)"  wrote:
> > I am now confused ! Does this mean that if I buy a Pi2 Model B
> > v1.2 it will require the same Arm command set as the Pi3 ?

> Correct. You need a Pi2 Model B v1.0 from he who 'has it in stock':
> http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/products/RPI-PI2-MODELB-1GB

So where does the RPi2 B v1.1 come in?

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SG
12/8/2016 3:33:57 PM
In article <mpro.ohvhwl000704e07x4.nwsgrp@ntlworld.com>, SG nws
<URL:mailto:nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Chris Evans (CJE/4D)"  wrote:
> > > I am now confused ! Does this mean that if I buy a Pi2 Model B
> > > v1.2 it will require the same Arm command set as the Pi3 ?
> 
> > Correct. You need a Pi2 Model B v1.0 from he who 'has it in stock':
> > http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/products/RPI-PI2-MODELB-1GB
> 
> So where does the RPi2 B v1.1 come in?

You are quite correct I should have said:
"You need a Pi2 Model B v1.1"

I'm not sure if any v1.0 were ever sold. 


Chris Evans

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Chris
12/23/2016 2:52:43 PM
Chris Evans wrote:
> SG nws wrote:
> > "Chris Evans (CJE/4D)"  wrote:
> > > > I am now confused ! Does this mean that if I buy a Pi2 Model B
> > > > v1.2 it will require the same Arm command set as the Pi3 ?

> > > Correct. You need a Pi2 Model B v1.0 from he who 'has it in
> > > stock': http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/products/RPI-PI2-MODELB-1GB

> > So where does the RPi2 B v1.1 come in?

> You are quite correct I should have said:
> "You need a Pi2 Model B v1.1"

> I'm not sure if any v1.0 were ever sold.

Better late than never! :-)
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12/23/2016 8:10:10 PM
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Hi There Just wondered if anyone can tell me if there is any other way of formatting an un-partitioned drive on my Compaq laptop without the use of a floppy drive. The machine I have does not have a floppy fitted as standard, any I want to be able to load a different operating system on. I know that XP will just go over the top and boot from CD, but I could do with any tips on formatting the drive anyway. Thanx in advance. Mark Mark Porter wrote: > Hi There > Just wondered if anyone can tell me if there is any other way of formatting > an un-partitioned drive on my Compaq laptop without the use of a floppy > drive. The machine I have does not have a floppy fitted as standard, any I > want to be able to load a different operating system on. > I know that XP will just go over the top and boot from CD, but I could do > with any tips on formatting the drive anyway. > > Thanx in advance. > > Mark > > www.ebcd.i-am.ru is all you need... -- -- ���� ~ http://www.31337.pl/ I found it hard, it was hard to find, oh well, whatever, nevermind... You shouldn't have a problem, most OSs will boot off the CD. In the Microsoft world, anything newer than and including NT 4.0. If you're looking for the traditional FDISK/FORMAT route, try the Windows 98 CD. ...

2GS ROM1 doesn't see 3.5" floppy disc drives.
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Removable CD drive / floppy drive not recognised
This is on a Panasonic toughbook CF29. When you insert the removable CD drive it doesnt recognise it - running Windows 2000. Any ideas what would be the first thing to check? On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:20:28 -0700, "BertieBigBollox@gmail.com" <BertieBigBollox@gmail.com> wrote: >This is on a Panasonic toughbook CF29. When you insert the removable >CD drive it doesnt recognise it - running Windows 2000. > >Any ideas what would be the first thing to check? Are you saying that neither CD nor floppy drive are recognised? Insert a bootable CD/Floppy and see if you can boot to Dos. I had a similar problem with a Thinkpad T23 some time ago. Windows XP would not recognise the CD player, but Dos did. Then at least I knew it was not a hardware problem. Re-installing windows on top did not fix it. Fortunately I had a Ghost image of the Windows partition so I could restore it. It works fine now, but it is a bit frustrating I never really found out what was wrong with it. Lars Stockholm BertieBigBollox@gmail.com wrote: > This is on a Panasonic toughbook CF29. When you insert the removable > CD drive it doesnt recognise it - running Windows 2000. > > Any ideas what would be the first thing to check? Tried rebooting it? I know mine requires a reboot when changing the drives or even just inserting the CD/DVD drive. On 4 Sep, 21:14, "Kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote: > BertieBigBol...@gmail.com wrote: > >...

FS: Misc Acorn (and non-Acorn) hardware
Like Peter Naulls yesterday, I'm trying to get rid of my remaining Risc PC and the related hardware. I've put them on eBay. The Acorn-specific items are: Acorn Risc PC StrongARM 233 MHz + Power-tec SCSI http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5202188067 i-cubed EtherLan600 for Acorn Risc PC/A7000 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5202186713 Acorn Risc PC power supply, backplane and screws http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5202185817 RISC OS Select http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5202184767 STD PS2Mouse for Acorn Risc PC http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5202183392 Acorn MEU + Plextor PlexWriter RW 4220 internal SCSI http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5202182624 Graphic tablet PaintPal Deluxe http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5202181086 The rest is not Acorn-specific but was connected to either a Risc PC or a Iyonix and therefore may be of interest here as well: Mitsumi FA402M 3.5" Floppy and 7in1 Media Drive http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5202179719 Sony 3.5" Floppy MPF 920 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5202177159 ELSA MicroLink ISDN 4U Router/Hub http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5777800061 Iomega ZIP 100 Drive external SCSI http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5202173954 HP ScanJet 3c SCSI http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...

drive to drive
if you plan to be your own manual raid, drive to drive copy, then is there any advantage to pairing drive manufacturer & model? webwalker@68z28.com wrote: > if you plan to be your own manual raid, drive to drive copy, then is > there any advantage to pairing drive manufacturer & model? No. However there is the usual disadvantage, namely a higher probability of simultaneous failure. Arno -- Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: arno@wagner.name GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F ---- Cuddly UI...

External Hard Drive (USB) recognizes hardware but not drives
I pulled a IBM Travelstar disk from a T21 (I know it works fine, the problem on the laptop was with the motherboard). I connected it to a Argosy HD260 external hard disk case (USB connection). On connecting to an XP box, the system recognizes an IBM-DJSA-220 USB Device, but no drive letter appear (the disk was used on Win2K, so I assume it is NTFS, and has two partitions). How can I see the two volumes on the disk to access the data? Thanks <aribloch@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1164540238.912622.152430@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > I pulled a IBM Travelstar disk from a T21 (I know it works fine, the > problem on the laptop was with the motherboard). I connected it to a > Argosy HD260 external hard disk case (USB connection). On connecting to > an XP box, the system recognizes an IBM-DJSA-220 USB Device, but no > drive letter appear (the disk was used on Win2K, so I assume it is > NTFS, and has two partitions). > > How can I see the two volumes on the disk to access the data? > > Thanks aribloch: These USB external HDD non-recognition problems in the XP environment have been a source of continuing irritation (not to say aggravation) to many of us. For what it's worth we've put together a kind of checklist for troubleshooting this kind of problem which I've listed below. But before getting to them you might want to try the following... I'm assuming your reference ...

Floppy Drive
Is there a way to detect if a disk has been put in the floppy drive? Thank You! Sandy Try to read the floppy and trap the error that gets returned. If there is no disk in the drive you will get Error 71 Disk not ready. -- Wayne Morgan MS Access MVP "Sandy" <smillin@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:v8cOb.12052$i4.8934@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Is there a way to detect if a disk has been put in the floppy drive? > > Thank You! > > Sandy > > ...

Floppy drives
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Linux users have to install by pushing floppy after floppy into drive says MICROS~1
EV1Servers.net Leading Hosted Service Provider Deploys Windows-based Hosting Solutions Faster than Linux-based Solutions case study Posted: September 15, 2003 "Automated Deployment Services (ADS)�a powerful new server purposing tool in Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition" "Business managers at EV1 Servers.net knew that there was a demand for a Microsoft Windows-based hosted service offering" "Executives at the company were well aware that customers were making inquiries about purchasing dedicated hosting services built on the Microsoft� Windows� operating system" "EV1 Servers.net personnel knew how to deploy a Linux-based server quickly. They had script-filled floppies ready to go, and on a moment's notice they could slip a floppy into a bare Dell PowerEdge 1600SC and walk away" "By pushing floppy after floppy into the drive of a bare metal server, EV1 Servers.net's data center team could easily meet the demand for 1,000 new servers per week" "Unless they could find a way to bring that level of automation to the deployment of a Windows-based server, they saw no way to meet a similar level of demand for Windows-based hosting services" "With the Microsoft Solution for Windows-based Hosting, EV1 Servers.net personnel would not even have to go from machine to machine inserting floppies" "ADS made it possible to deploy a server running Microsoft Windows Server 2003 with Interne...

Linux users have to install by pushing floppy after floppy into drive says MICROS~1
EV1Servers.net Leading Hosted Service Provider Deploys Windows-based Hosting Solutions Faster than Linux-based Solutions case study Posted: September 15, 2003 "Automated Deployment Services (ADS)�a powerful new server purposing tool in Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition" "Business managers at EV1 Servers.net knew that there was a demand for a Microsoft Windows-based hosted service offering" "Executives at the company were well aware that customers were making inquiries about purchasing dedicated hosting services built on the Microsoft� Windows� operating system" "EV1 Servers.net personnel knew how to deploy a Linux-based server quickly. They had script-filled floppies ready to go, and on a moment's notice they could slip a floppy into a bare Dell PowerEdge 1600SC and walk away" "By pushing floppy after floppy into the drive of a bare metal server, EV1 Servers.net's data center team could easily meet the demand for 1,000 new servers per week" "Unless they could find a way to bring that level of automation to the deployment of a Windows-based server, they saw no way to meet a similar level of demand for Windows-based hosting services" "With the Microsoft Solution for Windows-based Hosting, EV1 Servers.net personnel would not even have to go from machine to machine inserting floppies" "ADS made it possible to deploy a server running Microsoft Windows Server 2003 with Interne...

Linux users have to install by pushing floppy after floppy into drive says MICROS~1 #2
EV1Servers.net Leading Hosted Service Provider Deploys Windows-based Hosting Solutions Faster than Linux-based Solutions case study Posted: September 15, 2003 "Automated Deployment Services (ADS)�a powerful new server purposing tool in Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition" "Business managers at EV1 Servers.net knew that there was a demand for a Microsoft Windows-based hosted service offering" "Executives at the company were well aware that customers were making inquiries about purchasing dedicated hosting services built on the Microsoft� Windows� operat...

Creating a hard drive image
Hi, I have never seen this sort of hardware setup before (setup sun and ia servers before, worked with old hardware before, but never saw this setup). What this site has is a rack of boards, that sort of look like old mainframe multiplexer controller boards ... but htis one rack has a SPARC board that connects to a box above it, which holds an enclosed hard drive, about 20 gb. It reportedly (couldnt connect to it one day to run commands to see exactly what it has hardware and software wise) is running 5.7 SunOS under a WinXP OS. It reportedly has five 4gb partitions, one or more of which m...

FS: Apple II Super Drive (1.44 MB Floppy Drive) Controller NOT eBay
FS: Apple II Super Drive Controller, $200 or best offer. complete (box, docs, driver diskette, etc.) Also available - 1.44 Super Drives (converted from 800k drive) best offer. Guarantee against DOA, but otherwise sold AS-IS. Inquiry to dchiu23 'at' h0tmai1.c0m (address altered avoid address harvesters) In article <h0kh9q0og8@news1.newsguy.com>, David Chiu says... > >FS: Apple II Super Drive Controller, $200 or best offer. complete (box, >docs, driver diskette, etc.) > >Also available - 1.44 Super Drives (converted from 800k drive) best offer. > >Guarantee against DOA, but otherwise sold AS-IS. > >Inquiry to dchiu23 'at' h0tmai1.c0m >(address altered avoid address harvesters) SOLD. Thank you for reading. ...

Clicking Floppy Drive
All my ST class machines keep an active floppy drive when booting from the hard drive...an endless click till a floppy is shoved in its clicking jaws. Is there per chance an auto folder utility that'll put drive A: to sleep till it's needed? Know where I might find it if does happen to exist? Thanks, Brian On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:53:09 -0800, Tim wrote: > Sounds like the Amiga problem. I don't have that problem with my ST > machines. I know on my Mega 2 and 4 the lights stays on until I insert a > floppy. > > Tim Actually, that was a design feature on the Amiga - it was supposed to constantly poll the drive, AFAIK. "Brian J. Roland" <bjr@localink4.com> wrote in message news:1108253814.175142.154350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > All my ST class machines keep an active floppy drive when booting from > the hard drive...an endless click till a floppy is shoved in its > clicking jaws. > > Is there per chance an auto folder utility that'll put drive A: to > sleep till it's needed? Know where I might find it if does happen to > exist? > > Thanks, > Brian > Sounds like the Amiga problem. I don't have that problem with my ST machines. I know on my Mega 2 and 4 the lights stays on until I insert a floppy. Tim in article 110t97kbusf6td6@corp.supernews.com, Tim wrote on 2/12/2005 7:53 PM: > > "Brian J. Roland"...

floppy disk drive
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XEGS floppy drive??
I am looking for a floppy drive for my Atari XEGS. I would like to find one that matched the "style" of the XEGS but any model that worked would be fine. So, if you have any model numbers so I can look on eBay or maybe a place that still sells them, please let me know. email: cbmeeks AT gmail DOT com Thanks!~ "cbmeeks" <cbm at s i g n a l d e v d o t k o m> wrote in message news:<10ni5mba8n5ou22@corp.supernews.com>... > I am looking for a floppy drive for my Atari XEGS. > > I would like to find one that matched the "style" of the XEGS but any model > that worked would be fine. > > So, if you have any model numbers so I can look on eBay or maybe a place > that still sells them, please let me know. > > email: cbmeeks AT gmail DOT com > > Thanks!~ 3 Models to be aware of: the 810 SS,SD, the 1050 SS,SD,ED(1050) Density and the XF551 DS,DD, this would match your XEGS, other drives that pup up on ebay from time to time are: Indus GT SS,DD,ED great looking black case, RANA, TRACK, PERCOM... My recomendation go for the XF551,this drive does not writes side b of a floppy even if it is notched but you can trade disks with a PC using Util and a 5.25 drive. If you don't care about trading with pc go for a 1050 with Happy or buy the plain 1050 and get the Happy latter. "cbmeeks" <cbm at ...

Floppy Drive Tester
I have recently posted the following item to eBay. I bought it used from another user several years ago but never got to playing with it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130159303612 ...

Floppy drive: not dead?
I didn't mind when they said the floppy drive was dead. I didn't mind when my new P25 came without a floppy drive - I rather use a 256 mb USB "key" for quick transfers anyway. I didn't mind not having a floppy drive - Windows XP, Partition Magic, Drive Image et al come with bootable CD's that work fine. BUT many, many software utilities demand boot floppies: 1 Windows Emergency Recovery disks - won't burn a cd, won't even write to a hard drive so you can transfer them to a boot cd later. 2 Hitachi Travelstar disk utilities and tests - all want to make boot floppies. 3 EZ-Gig transfer comes with a boot floppy (they have a CD-version with a USB connector, but apparently no CD-boot disk for use with their IDE PC-Card). So, I am starting to think that the floppy is FAR from dead, and in fact it is absolutely essential to have a floppy. This implies that the TRUE price of any laptop that has no floppy must be viewed as the cost of the laptop plus the cost of an external USB floppy drive. Richard Grossman wrote: > I didn't mind when they said the floppy drive was dead. > > I didn't mind when my new P25 came without a floppy drive - I rather > use a 256 mb USB "key" for quick transfers anyway. > > I didn't mind not having a floppy drive - Windows XP, Partition Magic, > Drive Image et al come with bootable CD's that work fine. > > BUT many, many software utilities demand bo...

Thinkpads with floppy drives.
Hello, Does anyone know the latest manufactured Thinkpads equipped with both floppy drives and cdroms at the same time? I have a 390E, 333 mhz, and like the feature. Anyone know the latest before they stopped? Thanks, Bill Many Thinkpads have external floppy drives available that plug in (either to a "select bay" or with a cable). This gives you the functionality that you are seeking, although it means carrying around an extra item. On some later models, the same effect can be acheived with an external USB floppy drive. Or do you truly require both an internal floppy drive and an internal CD-ROM drive? That's called a "3-spindle machine". Not sure what the last such machine was that IBM made, but Toshiba was making some as late at 2003 (the 1415, a [Pentium 4]Celeron was one of the last such Toshiba machines). Bill wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know the latest manufactured Thinkpads equipped with both > floppy drives and cdroms at the same time? I have a 390E, 333 mhz, and > like the feature. Anyone know the latest before they stopped? > > Thanks, > > Bill Thanks Barry for the reply. I have a couple of Toshibas which I am most familiar with, but had this one Thinkpad laptop. I thought it pretty cool that both drives were internal simultaneously. I'm not really forced to have them both inside, but was curious what Thinkpads were last produced like this, as I thought it unique. Bill On Thu, 07 De...

Floppy drive tester
Saw on another NG, no affiliation http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130159303612 Work on PS2 drives ??? Only available in USA Basil On Oct 2, 5:39 am, "Basil Holloway" <farl7F...@bigpond.com> wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130159303612 > > Work on PS2 drives ??? Sure, it would work with the "Battlefloppy" or the internal 5.25-inch drive for the PS/2. It won't work with the 3.5-inch drives. If the alignment diskettes are damaged, it's suitable as a paperweight. Rick Hi! > http://search.ebay.com/130159303612 > Work on PS2 drives ??? > Only available in USA If you have a PS/2 with a 5.25" drive, yes it could. PS/2s with internal 5.25" floppies are refreshingly rare. (I've seen two systems set up that way that I remember.) The drive itself appears to use a conventional (read "standard clone type") connection and adapter. I have a Model 57 with such a drive. It's a Citizen drive (IIRC) and has "soft touch" electronic eject. I don't think the electronic eject is available from software, however. William hi Basil In article <0loMi.4355$H22.3156@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, farl7FAKE@bigpond.com says... > Saw on another NG, no affiliation > > http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130159303612 > > Work on PS2 drives ??? >...

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