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Hard disc dying?

Today the hard disc on the A5000 at the Wandle Industrial Museum (which
is, not, I may add, an exhibit!) displayed worrying behaviour,
spontaneously spinning down in the middle of print spooling and then
failing to spin up at all when the computer was re-started, causing it
to hang for a long time mid-boot and when the hard disc icon was clicked
upon.

I took the top off the machine and tried unplugging and reseating the
power supply lead to the hard disc, which was all I could think of, and
the machine did then start up properly the next time I tried it, but I
don't know if this was a coincidence or not.   The computer is due to be
'upgraded' to a Windows machine in the next few months and I was relying
on being able to process the data into a lowest-common-denominator form
for transfer, e.g. CSV, HTML, plain text etc.

I have a spare hard disc of suitable size (albeit of similar age to the
original).   Is the defect likely to be in the power supply from the
motherboard or in the disc mechanism? i.e. will replacing the hard disc
improve reliability or not?   There is only 58Mb used space on the disc
at present, some of which is unnecessary software -- for example,
DigitalCD on a machine where the sound doesn't work -- and I am hoping
that I can probably keep the old hard disc running for long enough to
copy the data across if required.

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

We prefer to speak evil of ourselves than not speak of ourselves at all.
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Harriet Bazley wrote:
> Today the hard disc on the A5000 at the Wandle Industrial Museum (which
> is, not, I may add, an exhibit!) displayed worrying behaviour,
> spontaneously spinning down in the middle of print spooling and then
> failing to spin up at all when the computer was re-started, causing it
> to hang for a long time mid-boot and when the hard disc icon was clicked
> upon.

What usually affects elderly hard drives is stiction, but this doesn't
sound like it. That usually prevents drives from starting up, but once
running they're fine.

It's probably just some joint working loose --- vibration and heat.
Whether this is the power cable or the drive controller it's impossible
to tell. Since you now have it running, at least in the short term, I'd
be inclined to do a backup *now* --- 58MB isn't much --- and replace;
you say you have a spare drive.

(The drive power cable comes straight from the computer's PSU and
doesn't involve the motherboard; so it's unlikely to be a problem with
the motherboard. If the problem's with the PSU, then in emergencies, you
can always get a spare AT power supply and hot-wire that in to the hard
drive.)

-- 
┌─── dg@cowlark.com ───── http://www.cowlark.com ─────
│
│ "All power corrupts, but we need electricity." --- Diana Wynne Jones,
│ _Archer's Goon_
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dg (326)
9/11/2008 12:11:45 AM
On 10-Sep-2008, Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:

> Today the hard disc on the A5000 at the Wandle Industrial Museum (which
> is, not, I may add, an exhibit!) displayed worrying behaviour,
> spontaneously spinning down in the middle of print spooling and then
> failing to spin up at all when the computer was re-started, causing it
> to hang for a long time mid-boot and when the hard disc icon was clicked
> upon.

This sounds like a completely worn out drive. When the bearings get badly
worn the extra friction means it can't maintain its proper speed. The speed
sensor detects this and shut the drive down to avoid damage. The same thing
happens at start up. If the drive doesn't spin up to speed after a short
time it's shut down. You can often hear this in action as the drive
repeatedly tries to spin up and then shuts down again when it can't reach
its proper speed.

If it's on an A5000 it's probably rather ancient so not really surprising.
As it's not yet completely dead you can probably get the old drive to run
long enough to transfer the data. One trick is to put the drive in the
freezer overnight - this can let it run a bit longer before it shuts down.

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>
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SpamBin5339 (850)
9/11/2008 5:39:08 AM
In article <002acbdc4f.harriet@freeuk.com>, Harriet Bazley
<URL:mailto:bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> Today the hard disc on the A5000 at the Wandle Industrial Museum (which
> is, not, I may add, an exhibit!) displayed worrying behaviour,
> spontaneously spinning down in the middle of print spooling and then
> failing to spin up at all when the computer was re-started, causing it
> to hang for a long time mid-boot and when the hard disc icon was clicked
> upon.
> 
> I took the top off the machine and tried unplugging and reseating the
> power supply lead to the hard disc, which was all I could think of, and
> the machine did then start up properly the next time I tried it, but I
> don't know if this was a coincidence or not.   The computer is due to be
> 'upgraded' to a Windows machine in the next few months and I was relying
> on being able to process the data into a lowest-common-denominator form
> for transfer, e.g. CSV, HTML, plain text etc.
> 
> I have a spare hard disc of suitable size (albeit of similar age to the
> original).   Is the defect likely to be in the power supply from the
> motherboard or in the disc mechanism? i.e. will replacing the hard disc
> improve reliability or not?   There is only 58Mb used space on the disc
> at present, some of which is unnecessary software -- for example,
> DigitalCD on a machine where the sound doesn't work -- and I am hoping
> that I can probably keep the old hard disc running for long enough to
> copy the data across if required.

An outside possibility would be failure of the 12V output from the PSU, test
this with any hard drive you can lay your hand on, you only need to plug the
power lead in. If it spins up and when the original drive is plugged back in
it doesn't then it's the drive.

The data on the drive may be recoverable, dependant on where within the drive
the fault is. We offer a data recovery service!


Chris Evans

-- 
CJE Micro's / 4D                'RISC OS Specialists'
Telephone: 01903 523222             Fax: 01903 523679
chris@cjemicros.co.uk     http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/
78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex,     BN11 2EN
The most beautiful thing anyone can wear, is a smile!

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chris8168 (2937)
9/11/2008 8:31:15 AM
On 11 Sep 2008 as I do recall,
          David Holden wrote:

> 
> On 10-Sep-2008, Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Today the hard disc on the A5000 at the Wandle Industrial Museum (which
> > is, not, I may add, an exhibit!) displayed worrying behaviour,
> > spontaneously spinning down in the middle of print spooling and then
> > failing to spin up at all when the computer was re-started, causing it
> > to hang for a long time mid-boot and when the hard disc icon was clicked
> > upon.
> 
> This sounds like a completely worn out drive.

[snip]
> 
> 
> If it's on an A5000 it's probably rather ancient so not really surprising.
> As it's not yet completely dead you can probably get the old drive to run
> long enough to transfer the data. One trick is to put the drive in the
> freezer overnight - this can let it run a bit longer before it shuts down.
> 
OK - sounds as if it's worth swapping the drives, then.   Thanks to all.

(Assuming the 'new' one works - it's the spare I got from Hedley
Hunnisett a number of years ago!   But I believe it's larger than the
120Mb drive currently in the machine, ergo probably newer....)

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

We are the knights who say "NI!"
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bazley (1305)
9/11/2008 9:42:28 PM
In article <def655dd4f.harriet@freeuk.com> Harriet Bazley wrote:
 
> (Assuming the 'new' one works - it's the spare I got from Hedley
> Hunnisett a number of years ago!   
 
Interesting!  I hope it still works.  It was fine when it left here.
 
-- 
Hedley Hunnisett of Wigston Magna, Leicestershire.
Sent from a StrongARM RiscPC running RISC OS 4.39.
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hedleyh (352)
9/13/2008 11:17:52 PM
On 14 Sep 2008 as I do recall,
          Hedley Hunnisett wrote:

> In article <def655dd4f.harriet@freeuk.com> Harriet Bazley wrote:
>  
> > (Assuming the 'new' one works - it's the spare I got from Hedley
> > Hunnisett a number of years ago!   
>  
> Interesting!  I hope it still works.  It was fine when it left here.
>  
I'm not sure if it was working or not;  at any rate I couldn't get
access to it as a second drive.   :-(

I managed to get the disc plugged in to the spare power and data cables
and could feel it spin up when the A5000 was switched on.   It
was already set to 'slave'.   However, when I configured the machine
with IDEdiscs 2, I got a second drive appearing on the iconbar labelled
:5 but an 'is this disc formatted?' error when I tried to access it in
any way.   Not having a copy of !HForm on that computer (or, I rather
suspect, having one anywhere at all) I was unable to test further.

I don't know if I went about fitting the second hard drive wrongly or if
the spare drive wasn't actually functional, but in any case as I found
myself unable to remove the original hard drive from its position even
after extracting the backplane it wouldn't have helped much as a
replacement. (The hard disc seems to be fastened down with star-headed
screws of some variety, but none of the likely-looking screwdriver heads
fitted them.)

The good news is that the original drive still seems to be holding up -
for the moment.   I have suggested that the Committee get a move on and
take some kind of definite decision over the replacement, which said
decision has been endlessly postponed to date for about eighteen
months....

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Some people cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.
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bazley (1305)
9/17/2008 5:20:25 PM
Harriet Bazley wrote:
[...]
> I managed to get the disc plugged in to the spare power and data cables
> and could feel it spin up when the A5000 was switched on.   It
> was already set to 'slave'.   However, when I configured the machine
> with IDEdiscs 2, I got a second drive appearing on the iconbar labelled
> :5 but an 'is this disc formatted?' error when I tried to access it in
> any way.   Not having a copy of !HForm on that computer (or, I rather
> suspect, having one anywhere at all) I was unable to test further.

That sounds correct. Your machine appears able to see the hard disk but
can't access it because it doesn't have a filesystem. You'll need to
make one, but I've no idea how --- does !HForm work on IDE hard disks or
is it intended to low level format ST506 disks? If so, then one of the
messages in this forum thread claims to have a copy attached:

http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=10821

(Make sure you format the *right drive*...)

> (The hard disc seems to be fastened down with star-headed
> screws of some variety, but none of the likely-looking screwdriver heads
> fitted them.)

This may seem like a silly question, but are you sure that you're
disconnecting the hard drive from the chassis, rather than trying to
take the lid off the hard drive itself? I've never seen security screws
used for the chassis mount. And if you do succeed in taking the lid off,
you'll kill the hard drive.

-- 
┌─── dg@cowlark.com ───── http://www.cowlark.com ─────
│
│ "All power corrupts, but we need electricity." --- Diana Wynne Jones,
│ _Archer's Goon_
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dg (326)
9/17/2008 8:21:49 PM
In message <48d166dd$0$515$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>
          David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:

> Harriet Bazley wrote:
> [...]
>> I managed to get the disc plugged in to the spare power and data cables
>> and could feel it spin up when the A5000 was switched on.   It
>> was already set to 'slave'.   However, when I configured the machine
>> with IDEdiscs 2, I got a second drive appearing on the iconbar labelled
>> :5 but an 'is this disc formatted?' error when I tried to access it in
>> any way.   Not having a copy of !HForm on that computer (or, I rather
>> suspect, having one anywhere at all) I was unable to test further.

> That sounds correct. Your machine appears able to see the hard disk but
> can't access it because it doesn't have a filesystem. You'll need to
> make one, but I've no idea how --- does !HForm work on IDE hard disks or
> is it intended to low level format ST506 disks? If so, then one of the
> messages in this forum thread claims to have a copy attached:

> http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=10821

> (Make sure you format the *right drive*...)

>> (The hard disc seems to be fastened down with star-headed
>> screws of some variety, but none of the likely-looking screwdriver heads
>> fitted them.)

> This may seem like a silly question, but are you sure that you're
> disconnecting the hard drive from the chassis, rather than trying to
> take the lid off the hard drive itself? I've never seen security screws
> used for the chassis mount. And if you do succeed in taking the lid off,
> you'll kill the hard drive.

In an A5000 the drive is usually held in by a springy strip of metal, 
silver in colour, a centimetre wide. You release one end by pushing it 
towards the disc drive.


-- 
Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire
alan@adamshome.org.uk
http://www.nckc.org.uk/
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alan280 (264)
9/17/2008 9:30:47 PM
On 17 Sep 2008 as I do recall,
          Alan Adams  wrote:

> In message <48d166dd$0$515$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>
>           David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:
> 
> > Harriet Bazley wrote:

[snip]

> >> (The hard disc seems to be fastened down with star-headed
> >> screws of some variety, but none of the likely-looking screwdriver heads
> >> fitted them.)
> 
> > This may seem like a silly question, but are you sure that you're
> > disconnecting the hard drive from the chassis, rather than trying to
> > take the lid off the hard drive itself? I've never seen security screws
> > used for the chassis mount. And if you do succeed in taking the lid off,
> > you'll kill the hard drive.
> 
> In an A5000 the drive is usually held in by a springy strip of metal, 
> silver in colour, a centimetre wide. You release one end by pushing it 
> towards the disc drive.
> 
Ah.   In that case, I strongly suspect that I was attempting to remove
the top of the hard drive!

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

If your feet smell and your nose runs - you're built upside down.
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bazley (1305)
9/18/2008 12:42:58 AM
On 17-Sep-2008, David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:

> Harriet Bazley wrote:
> [...]
> > I managed to get the disc plugged in to the spare power and data cables
> > and could feel it spin up when the A5000 was switched on.   It
> > was already set to 'slave'.   However, when I configured the machine
> > with IDEdiscs 2, I got a second drive appearing on the iconbar labelled
> > :5 but an 'is this disc formatted?' error when I tried to access it in
> > any way.   Not having a copy of !HForm on that computer (or, I rather
> > suspect, having one anywhere at all) I was unable to test further.

The first question has to be what make and model are the drives? Some older
drives (in particular many Seagates and the 40 and 80 MB Conners fitted to
A5000s) require a link to be set when a slave is present. Also most of the
Conner 210As used by Acorn weren't the standard model but were purchased
from Olivetti and a lot of these found their way into A5000s from RiscPCs.
They had custom firmware and were _very_ fussy about working with other
drives and often wouldn't work as master/slave with the same model.

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>
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SpamBin5339 (850)
9/18/2008 7:26:20 AM
On 17-Sep-2008, Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> wrote:

> In an A5000 the drive is usually held in by a springy strip of metal,
> silver in colour, a centimetre wide. You release one end by pushing it
> towards the disc drive.

No, it's not. That would be a DIY mod. I have something similar in my own
machine for reasons which will be obvious.

The drive in the A5000 is held by 4 screws which are underneath the drive.
To get to them you have to remove the entire mounting frame. To do this -

  Remove all podules.
  Remove the backplane completely
  Unplug all the leads from the floppy and hard drive
  Remove the single small screw you'll find between the hard drive and the
  front of the chassis in the centre.
  Remove the frame complete with hard and floppy drives.

Re-fitting is the reverse but note that there are a couple of 'tounges' on
the frame which fit into slots in the chassis. Also the backplane can be a
bit fiddly to fit. Don't use force, it does (just) go.

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>
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SpamBin5339 (850)
9/18/2008 7:36:28 AM
In article <6jeenuF2rs3cU1@mid.individual.net>, David Holden
<URL:mailto:SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> On 17-Sep-2008, Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In an A5000 the drive is usually held in by a springy strip of metal,
> > silver in colour, a centimetre wide. You release one end by pushing it
> > towards the disc drive.

I think you might be thinking of the RiscPC it has a strip of metal sprung
into place across the top, the drive is also screwed in from underneath!
I think they had a change of design when they found during testing that the
sprung strip wouldn't always be enough to hold it in place during transit.
Why they still fitted the strip I don't know.

 
Chris Evans

-- 
CJE Micro's / 4D                'RISC OS Specialists'
Telephone: 01903 523222             Fax: 01903 523679
chris@cjemicros.co.uk     http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/
78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex,     BN11 2EN
The most beautiful thing anyone can wear, is a smile!

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chris8168 (2937)
9/18/2008 10:04:44 AM
In message <6jeenuF2rs3cU1@mid.individual.net>
          "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:


> On 17-Sep-2008, Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> wrote:

>> In an A5000 the drive is usually held in by a springy strip of metal,
>> silver in colour, a centimetre wide. You release one end by pushing it
>> towards the disc drive.

> No, it's not. That would be a DIY mod. I have something similar in my own
> machine for reasons which will be obvious.

> The drive in the A5000 is held by 4 screws which are underneath the drive.
> To get to them you have to remove the entire mounting frame. To do this -

>   Remove all podules.
>   Remove the backplane completely
>   Unplug all the leads from the floppy and hard drive
>   Remove the single small screw you'll find between the hard drive and the
>   front of the chassis in the centre.
>   Remove the frame complete with hard and floppy drives.

> Re-fitting is the reverse but note that there are a couple of 'tounges' on
> the frame which fit into slots in the chassis. Also the backplane can be a
> bit fiddly to fit. Don't use force, it does (just) go.

Apologies - I realised about 1 am that I had described the RPC 
arrangement.

-- 
Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire
alan@adamshome.org.uk
http://www.nckc.org.uk/
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alan280 (264)
9/18/2008 4:17:01 PM
In article <def655dd4f.harriet@freeuk.com>,
   Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> OK - sounds as if it's worth swapping the drives, then.   Thanks to all.

> (Assuming the 'new' one works - it's the spare I got from Hedley
> Hunnisett a number of years ago!   But I believe it's larger than the
> 120Mb drive currently in the machine, ergo probably newer....)

Bearing in mind the small size requirement, I believe you can adaptors to
fit a CF card to an IDE interface. Would one of these work?

-- 
Stuart Winsor

For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
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Spambin (1454)
9/18/2008 7:08:12 PM
On 18 Sep 2008 as I do recall,
          David Holden wrote:

> 
> On 17-Sep-2008, David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:
> 
> > Harriet Bazley wrote:
> > [...]
> > > I managed to get the disc plugged in to the spare power and data cables
> > > and could feel it spin up when the A5000 was switched on.   It
> > > was already set to 'slave'.   However, when I configured the machine
> > > with IDEdiscs 2, I got a second drive appearing on the iconbar labelled
> > > :5 but an 'is this disc formatted?' error when I tried to access it in
> > > any way.   Not having a copy of !HForm on that computer (or, I rather
> > > suspect, having one anywhere at all) I was unable to test further.
> 
> The first question has to be what make and model are the drives? Some older
> drives (in particular many Seagates and the 40 and 80 MB Conners fitted to
> A5000s) require a link to be set when a slave is present. Also most of the
> Conner 210As used by Acorn weren't the standard model but were purchased
> from Olivetti and a lot of these found their way into A5000s from RiscPCs.
> They had custom firmware and were _very_ fussy about working with other
> drives and often wouldn't work as master/slave with the same model.
> 
Unfortunately I have no means of telling what the original drive is,
save that it seems to be 160Mb (suggesting that it is not, in fact, the
*original*?) and looked plain black from what I could see of it.

I seem to recall that the replacement was sent to me as a 480Mb drive,
which would have been why I was interested in the first place;  it says
'CONNER' on the top but I don't know where to look for a model number in
amongst all the cylinder/heads/sector/cable select data listed beneath.

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Flee at once, all is discovered.
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bazley (1305)
9/18/2008 7:45:26 PM
On 18 Sep 2008 as I do recall,
          David Holden wrote:

> 
> On 17-Sep-2008, Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In an A5000 the drive is usually held in by a springy strip of metal,
> > silver in colour, a centimetre wide. You release one end by pushing it
> > towards the disc drive.
> 
> No, it's not. That would be a DIY mod. I have something similar in my own
> machine for reasons which will be obvious.
> 
> The drive in the A5000 is held by 4 screws which are underneath the drive.
> To get to them you have to remove the entire mounting frame. To do this -
> 
>   Remove all podules.
>   Remove the backplane completely
>   Unplug all the leads from the floppy and hard drive

I got stuck at this stage.   :-(

I physically couldn't unplug the data lead which was crammed up against
the power supply;  that was why I was trying to 'unscrew' the hard drive
in the first place.

>   Remove the single small screw you'll find between the hard drive and the
>   front of the chassis in the centre.
>   Remove the frame complete with hard and floppy drives.
> 
> Re-fitting is the reverse but note that there are a couple of 'tounges' on
> the frame which fit into slots in the chassis.

That sounds as if I did get the 'frame' out; I remember undoing a single
screw and struggling with tongues.   Unless the backplane has them as
well.


> Also the backplane can be a
> bit fiddly to fit. Don't use force, it does (just) go.
> 
Yes, I had quite a job fitting that back in without crushing any
motherboard components.   :-(

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.
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bazley (1305)
9/18/2008 7:48:17 PM
On 18-Sep-2008, Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <def655dd4f.harriet@freeuk.com>,
>    Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> > OK - sounds as if it's worth swapping the drives, then.   Thanks to all.
>
> > (Assuming the 'new' one works - it's the spare I got from Hedley
> > Hunnisett a number of years ago!   But I believe it's larger than the
> > 120Mb drive currently in the machine, ergo probably newer....)
>
> Bearing in mind the small size requirement, I believe you can adaptors to
> fit a CF card to an IDE interface. Would one of these work?

We actually supply these 'ready to go' for the A5000, see
<http://www.apdl.co.uk/ifaces.htm#sstate>. They're slightly slower than a
normal hard drive on a RiscPC but no noticeable difference on an A5000. In
both cases the main difference is they're noticeably slower writing single
bytes to large random access files, presumably because there's no cache.

The one we normally supply for the A5000 plugs directly into the
motherboard. No need even to remove the old drive, so very quick and easy.

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>
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SpamBin5339 (850)
9/19/2008 6:09:53 AM
In article <6jgu1kF39mkbU1@mid.individual.net>,
   David Holden <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> We actually supply these 'ready to go' for the A5000, see
> <http://www.apdl.co.uk/ifaces.htm#sstate>. They're slightly slower than
> a normal hard drive on a RiscPC but no noticeable difference on an
> A5000. In both cases the main difference is they're noticeably slower
> writing single bytes to large random access files, presumably because
> there's no cache.

I would be interested in one to fit an A4 if that was possible, its hard
drive is suffering from "stiction" - at least that is what I think the
problem is.

If I turn it on it appears to start and then gets stuck. Left on its own
for a while it then seems to continue to a normal desktop and works ok.

Stuart

-- 
Stuart Winsor

For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
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Spambin (1454)
9/19/2008 8:31:26 AM
On 19-Sep-2008, Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <6jgu1kF39mkbU1@mid.individual.net>,
>    David Holden <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> > We actually supply these 'ready to go' for the A5000, see
> > <http://www.apdl.co.uk/ifaces.htm#sstate>. They're slightly slower than
> > a normal hard drive on a RiscPC but no noticeable difference on an
> > A5000. In both cases the main difference is they're noticeably slower
> > writing single bytes to large random access files, presumably because
> > there's no cache.
>
> I would be interested in one to fit an A4 if that was possible, its hard
> drive is suffering from "stiction" - at least that is what I think the
> problem is.
>
> If I turn it on it appears to start and then gets stuck. Left on its own
> for a while it then seems to continue to a normal desktop and works ok.

Yes, no problem. Same as for the A3020. Max size would appear as 512MB for
RO 3.1.

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>
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SpamBin5339 (850)
9/19/2008 9:47:41 AM
In article <6jgu1kF39mkbU1@mid.individual.net>, David Holden
   <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> We actually supply these 'ready to go' for the A5000, see
> <http://www.apdl.co.uk/ifaces.htm#sstate>. They're slightly slower
> than a normal hard drive on a RiscPC but no noticeable difference on
> an A5000. In both cases the main difference is they're noticeably
> slower writing single bytes to large random access files, presumably
> because there's no cache.

A question if I may Mr H.
How do these drives stand up to write/read/rewrite wear, what kind of life
do you expect from a card like this?

Cheers
Dave S

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dave128 (1212)
9/19/2008 11:27:33 AM
In article <4fe13c5aabdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
<URL:mailto:dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> In article <6jgu1kF39mkbU1@mid.individual.net>, David Holden
>    <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> > We actually supply these 'ready to go' for the A5000, see
> > <http://www.apdl.co.uk/ifaces.htm#sstate>. They're slightly slower
> > than a normal hard drive on a RiscPC but no noticeable difference on
> > an A5000. In both cases the main difference is they're noticeably
> > slower writing single bytes to large random access files, presumably
> > because there's no cache.
> 
> A question if I may Mr H.
> How do these drives stand up to write/read/rewrite wear, what kind of life
> do you expect from a card like this?

It all depends...

RISC OS 3 machines can't realistically have !Scrap in RAM so are more
limited than >RO3.5 computers.

Most of the IDE/Compact Flash units we have supplied have been to RiscPC or
A7000 users I've not heard of anyone's CF wearing out.

Modern Compact Flash units have in built 'Wear Leveling' but there are too
many variables to be able to say X years. Even X writes would be missleading
as it is almost impossible to know how many writes you are doing in a particular
session of computer useage.
Some people even run Windows on CF, I'd say if it lasts long enough for them
then RISC OS users are more than likely to be o.k. for years!



Chris Evans

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chris8168 (2937)
9/19/2008 4:49:04 PM
In article <ant191604bc8pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
   Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> > Dave asked: A question if I may Mr H. How do these drives stand up to
> > write/read/rewrite wear, what kind of life do you expect from a card
> > like this?

> It all depends...

> RISC OS 3 machines can't realistically have !Scrap in RAM so are more
> limited than >RO3.5 computers.

> Most of the IDE/Compact Flash units we have supplied have been to RiscPC
> or A7000 users I've not heard of anyone's CF wearing out.

> Modern Compact Flash units have in built 'Wear Leveling' but there are
> too many variables to be able to say X years. Even X writes would be
> missleading as it is almost impossible to know how many writes you are
> doing in a particular session of computer useage. Some people even run
> Windows on CF, I'd say if it lasts long enough for them then RISC OS
> users are more than likely to be o.k. for years.

> Chris Evans

Thanks for that useful bit 'o info Mr E.

Cheers
Dave S

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dave128 (1212)
9/19/2008 5:50:55 PM
In article <6jhaq1F3c11tU1@mid.individual.net>,
   David Holden <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:
> > I would be interested in one to fit an A4 if that was possible, its
> > hard drive is suffering from "stiction" - at least that is what I
> > think the problem is.
> >
> > If I turn it on it appears to start and then gets stuck. Left on its
> > own for a while it then seems to continue to a normal desktop and
> > works ok.

> Yes, no problem. Same as for the A3020. Max size would appear as 512MB
> for RO 3.1.

Well, I looked on your website but before committing myself to the
purchase decided I had better get the A4 out - it's not been turned on for
at least a year.

After a fair bit of "faffing about" involving "delete-power up", "R-power
up" and other tricks I finally got a display on an external monitor. The
hard drive now seems to be completely stuffed and there is no display. I
might have another look later in the week and I have another faulty A4
which I was given (I don't know what the fault is) but whether it's really
worth bothering with and spending money on now that I have just bought an
EeePC to run VA I don't know.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

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9/19/2008 8:19:08 PM
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If anyone is interested, I've got hold of a bunch of hard discs. They're Fujitsu units, MPD3043AT, 4.3GB capacity. Ideal to give yourself a bit more space. Offers to the return address on here. Note that my mailbox is filtering quite hard at the moment, so mails headed Technical anything, among a lot of other words, will get binned. I've got pukka boxes too, so mailing is no problem. Cheers Mike -- Michael Gilbert: in his own write OK, so there's the Trident in Bangor In article <ant2019271cb9GWx@riscpc.local>, Michael Gilbert <URL:mailto:mgilbert@eclipse.co.uk> wrote: > .... Note > that my mailbox is filtering quite hard at the moment, so mails > headed Technical anything, among a lot of other words, will get binned. I quite understand, but I did smile, I thought you worked in Technical support:-) That would be one of reducing your workload;-) Chris Evans -- CJE Micro's / NCS / Fourth Dimension 'RISC OS Specialists' Telephone: (01903) 523222 Fax: (01903) 523679 chris@cjemicros.co.uk http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/ 78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex, BN11 2EN, UK. In article <ant221229b49pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>, Chris Evans <URL:mailto:chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote: > In article <ant2019271cb9GWx@riscpc.local>, Michael Gilbert > <URL:mailto:mgilbert@eclipse.co.uk> wrote: > > > .... Note > > that my mailbox is filtering quite hard...

XML::Parse dies hard
Can anybody tell me why the following does not work as I expect it? It is supposed to call the die function, because of the incorrect XML it is parsing: #!/usr/bin/perl use XML::Parser; $p1 = new XML::Parser; if($p1->parse('<foo id="me">Hello World/foo>')){print 'xml is ok';} else {die 'Error found - please check your xml';} Instead it gives: no element found at line 1, column 29, byte 29 at /usr/lib/perl5/ vendor_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux/XML/Parser.pm line 187 If I correct the xml by inserting a "<" after Hello World it prints out &#...

Old bugs are hard to die
Hi, I have (had) a function called uiEditPolygon that is used to set buttondown properties that allow editing of lines "a la Windows". It works well. However, when I compile the application that uses it I get an error saying that uieditpolygon doesn't find uieditpolygon (it is a recursive function). To be more precise, this error occurs when the application is runned from a directory that doesn't know about the Matlab path. If it is run from the directory where I compiled it and knows the Matlab path, everything works well. Now, if I rename it to ui_edit_polygon (tha...

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