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Interface to connect a USB printer to a parallel port

USB to Parallel port adaptors are two a penny, but with few Printers now
having parallel ports it is getting difficult for us to offer printers to
many RISC OS users.

Does anyone know of a Parallel port to USB adaptor i.e. a computers parallel
port to a printers USB port.

I realise that as the adaptor would have to run a USB stack it's not an
inconsequential design.

I know we can recommend UniPods but for some such as a Siblius user running
an A5000 there are a few downsides: cost, memory loss & not a very straight
forward setup. We will often try and suggest an upgrade to a RiscPC but for
quite a few users if they do a significant upgrade it will be to a PC:-(
i.e. we need to keep it simple for them.

p.s. We do still have good stocks of parallel port laser printers but only a
few parallel port inkjet printers left and when they have gone the've gone!



Chris Evans

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In article <ant2914430b0pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
   Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> USB to Parallel port adaptors are two a penny, but with few Printers now
> having parallel ports it is getting difficult for us to offer printers to
> many RISC OS users.

> Does anyone know of a Parallel port to USB adaptor i.e. a computers
> parallel port to a printers USB port.

One way round the problem would be to use a network>USB adaptor - of which
there are a few about.

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charles7889 (2007)
6/29/2006 3:59:47 PM
Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a Parallel port to USB adaptor i.e. a computers parallel
> port to a printers USB port.

Not quite what you want, but you can get printer server boxes that connect
to USB printers.  Maybe one of those has a parallel input too?  Or, failing
that, they could use a network card to connect to it if they don't already
have one.  They get control back faster after printing too.

Theo
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news539 (2440)
6/29/2006 4:16:16 PM
In article <4e3ea6a8f6charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
   charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> > Does anyone know of a Parallel port to USB adaptor i.e. a computers
> > parallel port to a printers USB port.

> One way round the problem would be to use a network>USB adaptor - of which
> there are a few about.

Would they actually work in that direction?

A quick Google suggests that they are intended to provide network access
from a computer's USB port.

Could one actually drive a USB printer as a network device using one?

John

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UCEbin (2771)
6/29/2006 4:35:17 PM
In article <4e3ea9b2a8UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
   John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4e3ea6a8f6charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
>    charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> > > Does anyone know of a Parallel port to USB adaptor i.e. a computers
> > > parallel port to a printers USB port.

> > One way round the problem would be to use a network>USB adaptor - of
> > which there are a few about.

> Would they actually work in that direction?

> A quick Google suggests that they are intended to provide network access
> from a computer's USB port.

> Could one actually drive a USB printer as a network device using one?

certainly one on ebay - even now - saying it does exactly what I suggested:
"
your network for shared printing. This Netgear is compatible with most USB
printers including bi-directional printers it also supports multiple print
jobs simultaneously.

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charles7889 (2007)
6/29/2006 4:57:42 PM
Quoting from message <4e3ea9b2a8UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
 posted on 29 Jun 2006 by John Williams (News)
 I would like to add:

> In article <4e3ea6a8f6charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
>    charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> > Does anyone know of a Parallel port to USB adaptor i.e. a computers
>> > parallel port to a printers USB port.
> 
>> One way round the problem would be to use a network>USB adaptor - of which
>> there are a few about.
> 
> Would they actually work in that direction?
> 
> A quick Google suggests that they are intended to provide network access
> from a computer's USB port.
> 
> Could one actually drive a USB printer as a network device using one?

My printer has a USB socket and a one which takes a network cable 
(can't think of the proper term) - so I've used the network one to the 
4 port router and have no problems printing from RISC PC with 
postscript over the network. Because this works I've never tried  the 
USB to router connection.


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ejnews (45)
6/29/2006 5:01:42 PM
In message <ant2914430b0pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
          Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> USB to Parallel port adaptors are two a penny, but with few Printers now
> having parallel ports it is getting difficult for us to offer printers to
> many RISC OS users.
> 
> Does anyone know of a Parallel port to USB adaptor i.e. a computers
> parallel port to a printers USB port.
> 
> I realise that as the adaptor would have to run a USB stack it's not an
> inconsequential design.

They don't exist as far as I have been able to research.  The thing
would have to be a USB host.  I have thought of designing one for
use with an A4, but I don't think it's practical even as a hobby
project, and certainly not one to make any money from.

A NIC and a print server seems the most practical option.  It would
also give automatic sharing of the printer(s) between all computers
on the network.

Dave
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davehigton (2157)
6/29/2006 7:26:23 PM
In article <4e3ea9b2a8UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>, John Williams (News)
<URL:mailto:UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4e3ea6a8f6charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
>    charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > Does anyone know of a Parallel port to USB adaptor i.e. a computers
> > > parallel port to a printers USB port.
> 
> > One way round the problem would be to use a network>USB adaptor - of which
> > there are a few about.
> 
> Would they actually work in that direction?
> 
> A quick Google suggests that they are intended to provide network access
> from a computer's USB port.

I've not come across one of these but I'm sure they are made.
 
> Could one actually drive a USB printer as a network device using one?

Yes we stock them, in fact we currently have a Belkin unit that connects to
the computer via Ethernet or wirelessly on 54g and has two USB ports
dedicated to printers.

Printing protocols supported:
Raw TCP/IP, LPR/LPD & FTP

For RISC OS users network printer drivers use the LPR protocol.

http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/individual/prodpages/BEL-F1UP0001.shtml

Chris Evans

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chris8168 (2937)
6/30/2006 11:31:58 AM
In article <7093b93e4e.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>, Dave Higton
<URL:mailto:davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> In message <ant2914430b0pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>
>           Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > USB to Parallel port adaptors are two a penny, but with few Printers now
> > having parallel ports it is getting difficult for us to offer printers to
> > many RISC OS users.
> > 
> > Does anyone know of a Parallel port to USB adaptor i.e. a computers
> > parallel port to a printers USB port.
> > 
> > I realise that as the adaptor would have to run a USB stack it's not an
> > inconsequential design.
> 
> They don't exist as far as I have been able to research.  The thing
> would have to be a USB host.  I have thought of designing one for
> use with an A4, but I don't think it's practical even as a hobby
> project, and certainly not one to make any money from.

I'm sure there is a market but as its a lot more than the standard chipset
used by USB to parallel it will push the price up considerably which then
shrinks the market pushing the price even higher.
Also thinking of the general legacy PC market such as industrial machines
running DOS/Win3.1 etc they would also suffer the same problem of RISC OS in
getting a suitable software driver for a current printer, PCL or PostScript
being the only realistic option, for which fortunatly a number of printers
still have parallel ports.
 
> A NIC and a print server seems the most practical option.

I'm sure you'r correct unfortunatly there is a significant loss on a 4MB
machine of 400K for the ethernet software plus the network printer driver
along with a fair bit of setup for non computer savvy users:-(
And a not inconsequential cost!

>  It would
> also give automatic sharing of the printer(s) between all computers
> on the network.

Yes, I can't remember when at work here I last printed to a local printer
except for test purposes!

Chris Evans

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chris8168 (2937)
6/30/2006 11:44:08 AM
In article <iwB*08pkr@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo Markettos
<URL:mailto:theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> > Does anyone know of a Parallel port to USB adaptor i.e. a computers parallel
> > port to a printers USB port.
> 
> Not quite what you want, but you can get printer server boxes that connect
> to USB printers.

Yes, we stock them!

>  Maybe one of those has a parallel input too?

Not heard of one, if anyone else has please let me know!

>  Or, failing
> that, they could use a network card to connect to it if they don't already
> have one.  They get control back faster after printing too.

:-)

Chris Evans

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chris8168 (2937)
6/30/2006 11:46:11 AM
Hello Everyone,
               I've just been given an Epson D88 printer to replace my old
Epson IIs which died recently.

        I want a local connection from my Strongarm RiscPC  4.02. to the
new box.

The printer has a Centronics port and also a USB connector.

The Risc PC has a Unipod with a printer port and USB also.

Can some kind person please tell me the best/easiest way to connect these
up.

I have a copy of !Printers 1.53 available and I've also got !GemPrint.

I've been using !Printers 1.52 up 'til now.


                                                TIA  Bob.

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boblith (35)
7/3/2006 10:03:58 AM
Hi every one,
We have develop a device that is connecting a PC parallel port to USB
Printer, from more information see www.lpt2usb.com
Thanks
Belal Lehwany

Bob on Waitrose wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>                I've just been given an Epson D88 printer to replace my old
> Epson IIs which died recently.
>
>         I want a local connection from my Strongarm RiscPC  4.02. to the
> new box.
>
> The printer has a Centronics port and also a USB connector.
>
> The Risc PC has a Unipod with a printer port and USB also.
>
> Can some kind person please tell me the best/easiest way to connect these
> up.
>
> I have a copy of !Printers 1.53 available and I've also got !GemPrint.
>
> I've been using !Printers 1.52 up 'til now.
>
>
>                                                 TIA  Bob.
>
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blehwany (2)
8/1/2006 12:42:09 PM
In message of 1 Aug, "Belal lehwany" <blehwany@ePaperSign.com> wrote:

> We have develop a device that is connecting a PC parallel port to USB
> Printer, from more information see www.lpt2usb.com

That site does not work on either of these browsers: oregano and
NetSurf.

Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?

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tim222 (1366)
8/1/2006 3:28:43 PM
In message <1a67a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>
          Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote:

> In message of 1 Aug, "Belal lehwany" <blehwany@ePaperSign.com> wrote:
> 
> > We have develop a device that is connecting a PC parallel port to USB
> > Printer, from more information see www.lpt2usb.com
> 
> That site does not work on either of these browsers: oregano and
> NetSurf.
> 
> Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
> 

It half works with Fresco - but no visible prices - a pity as
I'm interested.

Richard
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beamendsltd (507)
8/1/2006 3:51:51 PM
In article <1a67a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>,
   Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote:
> In message of 1 Aug, "Belal lehwany" <blehwany@ePaperSign.com> wrote:

> > We have develop a device that is connecting a PC parallel port to USB
> > Printer, from more information see www.lpt2usb.com

> That site does not work on either of these browsers: oregano and
> NetSurf.

Seems to work OK for me with Oregano 1 and even !Browse though I doubt it
looks like the designer intended!

> Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?

Unlikely :-)  Can't see any reason why it shouldn't work though on the face
of it.

Not best pleased with Israel at the moment so probably won't get any trade
from me and since no price is suggested and you can get these sort of
things elsehwhere for not very much...

Cheers

Alan

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alan_calder (665)
8/1/2006 5:05:34 PM
In message <5e85a44f4e%beamendsltd@btconnect.com>
          beamendsltd <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> wrote:

> In message <1a67a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>
>           Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote:
> 
>> In message of 1 Aug, "Belal lehwany" <blehwany@ePaperSign.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > We have develop a device that is connecting a PC parallel port to USB
>> > Printer, from more information see www.lpt2usb.com
>> 
>> That site does not work on either of these browsers: oregano and
>> NetSurf.
>> 
>> Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
>> 
> 
> It half works with Fresco - but no visible prices - a pity as
> I'm interested.
> 
> Richard

No problem accessing the site via Firefox: prices are indeed absent, 
but there is a data sheet and contact details for the supplier, as 
follows:

ePaperSign
Teradyon Industrial Park
Misgav 20179
PO BOX 49
Israel
Phone +972-9990-493
Mob +972-52-3793434
Fax +972-4-9990173
Email Info@PaperSign.com

I assume the price is dependent on the volume ordered.

Hope this helps

George


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8/1/2006 6:13:34 PM
In message <da7eb14f4e.acld75@tiscali.co.uk>
          george <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <5e85a44f4e%beamendsltd@btconnect.com>
>           beamendsltd <beamendsltd@btconnect.com> wrote:
> 
>> In message <1a67a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>
>>           Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> In message of 1 Aug, "Belal lehwany" <blehwany@ePaperSign.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > We have develop a device that is connecting a PC parallel port to USB
>>> > Printer, from more information see www.lpt2usb.com
>>> 
>>> That site does not work on either of these browsers: oregano and
>>> NetSurf.
>>> 
>>> Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
>>> 
>> 
>> It half works with Fresco - but no visible prices - a pity as
>> I'm interested.
>> 
>> Richard
> 
> No problem accessing the site via Firefox: prices are indeed absent,
> but there is a data sheet and contact details for the supplier, as
> follows:
> 
> ePaperSign
> Teradyon Industrial Park
> Misgav 20179
> PO BOX 49
> Israel
> Phone +972-9990-493
> Mob +972-52-3793434
> Fax +972-4-9990173
> Email Info@PaperSign.com
> 
> I assume the price is dependent on the volume ordered.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> George
> 
> 

That email address should be: Info@ePaperSign.com - sorry.


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8/1/2006 6:15:26 PM
In message <4e4fab4514alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>
          Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> you can get these sort of things elsehwhere for not very much...

Where?

Dave
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davehigton (2157)
8/1/2006 7:10:22 PM
In article <fab1b64f4e.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>,
   Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> In message <4e4fab4514alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>
>           Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> > you can get these sort of things elsehwhere for not very much...

> Where?

Maybe I've misunderstood the specs of the device but these look pretty
similar...
http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/NEWlink_193.php

http://www.tronisoft.com/cat_usbtoprinter.php?gclid=CKDC5tapv4YCFUVvEAodRmVjUg

http://www.lindy.com/uk/productfolder/04/42862/index.php

http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=1631

and lots more

Cheers

Alan

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alan_calder (665)
8/1/2006 8:30:29 PM
In message <4e4fbe07d0alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>
          Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <fab1b64f4e.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>,
>    Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> > In message <4e4fab4514alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>
> >           Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > you can get these sort of things elsehwhere for not very much...
> 
> > Where?
> 
> Maybe I've misunderstood the specs of the device but these look pretty
> similar...
> http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/NEWlink_193.php
> 
> http://www.tronisoft.com/cat_usbtoprinter.php?gclid=CKDC5tapv4YCFUVvEAodRmVjUg
> 
> http://www.lindy.com/uk/productfolder/04/42862/index.php
> 
> http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=1631
> 
> and lots more

They all convert in the other direction.  Those are common, I agree.

The device originally posted was the first and still the only one I've
ever seen that claims to drive a USB printer from a parallel port on
the computer.

Dave
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davehigton (2157)
8/1/2006 9:30:08 PM
In article <a27dc34f4e.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>,
   Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> In message <4e4fbe07d0alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>
>           Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <fab1b64f4e.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>,
> >    Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> > > In message <4e4fab4514alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>
> > >           Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > > you can get these sort of things elsehwhere for not very much...
> > 
> > > Where?
> > 
> > Maybe I've misunderstood the specs of the device but these look pretty
> > similar...
> > http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/NEWlink_193.php
> > 
> > http://www.tronisoft.com/cat_usbtoprinter.php?gclid=CKDC5tapv4YCFUVvEAodRmVjUg
> > 
> > http://www.lindy.com/uk/productfolder/04/42862/index.php
> > 
> > http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=1631
> > 
> > and lots more

> They all convert in the other direction.  Those are common, I agree.

> The device originally posted was the first and still the only one I've
> ever seen that claims to drive a USB printer from a parallel port on
> the computer.

another way - done here - is to use a network print server with a parallel
port.  ebay seems to have some.

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charles7889 (2007)
8/1/2006 9:59:59 PM
In article <1a67a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe
<URL:mailto:tim@powys.org> wrote:
> In message of 1 Aug, "Belal lehwany" <blehwany@ePaperSign.com> wrote:
> 
> > We have develop a device that is connecting a PC parallel port to USB
> > Printer, from more information see www.lpt2usb.com
> 
> That site does not work on either of these browsers: oregano and
> NetSurf.

I viewed it o.k. on Fresco I think!
 
> Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?

The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it for a
printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone version is
available.
We are talking to them about importing them. I hope to have a sample in the
near future. 


Chris Evans

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chris8168 (2937)
8/2/2006 8:32:40 AM
In article <a27dc34f4e.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>,
   Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> In message <4e4fbe07d0alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>
>           Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <fab1b64f4e.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>,
> >    Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> > > In message <4e4fab4514alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>
> > >           Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > > you can get these sort of things elsehwhere for not very much...
> > 
> > > Where?
> > 
> > Maybe I've misunderstood the specs of the device but these look pretty
> > similar...
> > http://www.cabling4less.co.uk/NEWlink_193.php

[Snip]

> > http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=1631
> > 
> > and lots more

> They all convert in the other direction.  Those are common, I agree.

> The device originally posted was the first and still the only one I've
> ever seen that claims to drive a USB printer from a parallel port on
> the computer.

You are of course absolutely right!  I wasn't reading carefully enough.

However thinking back to the original poster's request it all seems a bit
pointless as he had a RPC (with a parallel port) and a printer (with
parallel port) so I'm not really clear why he wasking for help in the first
place!

Cheers

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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alan_calder (665)
8/2/2006 9:03:29 AM
Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> > Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
> 
> The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it for a
> printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone version
> is available. We are talking to them about importing them. I hope to
> have a sample in the near future.
> 
To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would cease to
buy anything from you. 

I don't believe in supporting those who massacre innocent women and
children and commit other war crimes and atrocities.

Ray D
0
Ray6068 (3130)
8/2/2006 1:39:16 PM
In article <gemini.j3dhxf00bgck202pc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> > > Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
> > 
> > The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it for a
> > printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone version
> > is available. We are talking to them about importing them. I hope to
> > have a sample in the near future.
> > 
> To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would cease to
> buy anything from you. 

> I don't believe in supporting those who massacre innocent women and
> children and commit other war crimes and atrocities.

At least you'll never defect to Windows then ...

-- 
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	Qercus magazine	FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527		www.finnybank.com
	Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing
                                                      
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john233 (5650)
8/2/2006 1:54:10 PM
In article <gemini.j3dhxf00bgck202pc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> > > Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
> > 
> > The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it for a
> > printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone version
> > is available. We are talking to them about importing them. I hope to
> > have a sample in the near future.
> > 
> To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would cease to
> buy anything from you. 

whereas those who provoke them by deliberately firing rockets into civilian
areas, setting of bombs in buses, restaurants, etc, are completely innocent?

-- 
From KT24 - in drought-ridden Surrey

Using a RISC OS5 computer

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charles7889 (2007)
8/2/2006 1:57:42 PM
In article <4e501de7cccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
<charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <gemini.j3dhxf00bgck202pc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>, Ray
>    Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> > > > Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
> > > 
> > > The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it
> > > for a printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone
> > > version is available. We are talking to them about importing them. I
> > > hope to have a sample in the near future.
> > > 
> > To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would cease
> > to buy anything from you. 

> whereas those who provoke them by deliberately firing rockets into
> civilian areas, setting of bombs in buses, restaurants, etc, are
> completely innocent?

Enough now, please!  The situation is horrendous and not helped by by our
arguing in this forum.  I will hold my hands up and admit to being unable
to stop myself from commenting in one of my earlier posts but we should
stop now - both sides in the area have large faults as do those of us
outside whose forbears were largely the cause of this conflict.

Perhaps we could agree on the simultaneous implementation of UN Resolutions
242 and 1559 as a means of settling the conflict?

Cheers

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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alan_calder (665)
8/2/2006 2:11:41 PM
In message <4e501de7cccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>
          charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <gemini.j3dhxf00bgck202pc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > > Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
> > > 
> > > The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it for a
> > > printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone version
> > > is available. We are talking to them about importing them. I hope to
> > > have a sample in the near future.
> > > 
> > To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would cease to
> > buy anything from you. 
> 
> whereas those who provoke them by deliberately firing rockets into civilian
> areas, setting of bombs in buses, restaurants, etc, are completely innocent?
> 

You mean like Israel?

If you had been kicked off your land without care or compensation,
denied fair access to water etc etc etc you'd just say "That's fine"?

Richard 
-- 
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beamendsltd (507)
8/2/2006 2:17:37 PM
charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <gemini.j3dhxf00bgck202pc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > > Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
> > > 
> > > The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it
> > > for a printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone
> > > version is available. We are talking to them about importing them. I
> > > hope to have a sample in the near future.
> > > 
> > To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would cease
> > to buy anything from you.
> 
> whereas those who provoke them by deliberately firing rockets into
> civilian areas, setting of bombs in buses, restaurants, etc, are
> completely innocent?
> 
No, but it is a question of degree.

Israel has deliberately targetted civilians in built up areas and killed
several hundred. They have also told them to leave the towns and then
bombed them on the roads.

Hezbollah, although not innocent, have been firing rockets back into
Israel in retaliation.

The atrocities are Israeli - not Hezbollah - which is why most of Europe
is against their warmongering.

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
8/2/2006 2:42:33 PM
In article <gemini.j3dkuw00dpqnl02pc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <gemini.j3dhxf00bgck202pc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
> >    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:

> > > > > Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?

> > > > The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it
> > > > for a printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone
> > > > version is available. We are talking to them about importing them. I
> > > > hope to have a sample in the near future.

> > > To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would cease
> > > to buy anything from you.

> > whereas those who provoke them by deliberately firing rockets into
> > civilian areas, setting of bombs in buses, restaurants, etc, are
> > completely innocent?

> No, but it is a question of degree.

Ray - please go to a Windows newsgroup and complain there. As an ex-RISC OS
user you haven't even got a flimsy excuse for off-topic comments here.

-- 
	John Cartmell	john@ followed by finnybank.com	  0845 006 8822
	Qercus magazine	FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527		www.finnybank.com
	Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing
                                                      
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john233 (5650)
8/2/2006 3:08:19 PM
In article <gemini.j3dhxf00bgck202pc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>, Ray Dawson
<URL:mailto:ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
> > 
> > The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it for a
> > printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone version
> > is available. We are talking to them about importing them. I hope to
> > have a sample in the near future.
> > 
> To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would cease to
> buy anything from you. 
> 
> I don't believe in supporting those who massacre innocent women and
> children and commit other war crimes and atrocities.

I must admit that the Israeli government has not for quite a few years been
one that I can comprehend, I just hope and pray that the killing will end
soon.  

Just because a company is Israeli or based in any particular country doesn't
mean I tar them with the same brush as their government.

I certainly don't agree with many actions of our government but I havn't
started boycotting Advantage6 and Castle yet!


Chris Evans

-- 
CJE Micro's / 4D                'RISC OS Specialists'
Telephone: 01903 523222             Fax: 01903 523679
chris@cjemicros.co.uk     http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/
78 Brighton Road, Worthing, West Sussex,     BN11 2EN
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chris8168 (2937)
8/2/2006 3:10:46 PM
In message <gemini.j3dhxf00bgck202pc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
          Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> > Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
>> 
>> The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it for a
>> printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone version
>> is available. We are talking to them about importing them. I hope to
>> have a sample in the near future.
>> 
> To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would cease to
> buy anything from you.
> 
> I don't believe in supporting those who massacre innocent women and
> children and commit other war crimes and atrocities.
> 
> Ray D

I suppose you don't support the right of those who have those things 
done to them every day to self defence either?

-- 
JayCee
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jaygcee (217)
8/2/2006 3:55:11 PM
In message <4e501d9502john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>
          John Cartmell <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <gemini.j3dhxf00bgck202pc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > > Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
> > > 
> > > The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it for a
> > > printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone version
> > > is available. We are talking to them about importing them. I hope to
> > > have a sample in the near future.
> > > 
> > To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would cease to
> > buy anything from you. 
> 
> > I don't believe in supporting those who massacre innocent women and
> > children and commit other war crimes and atrocities.
> 
> At least you'll never defect to Windows then ...
> 

Chanced upon this thread because I'm trying to find out information on
possible replacement printers, or more specifically a multi-device
printer copier fax, for use with a mixed network of RISC OS and Windows
XP based machines at home. However I see it's drifted off topic from the
OP's question.

However commenting on the above what I note with some irony is that Bill
and Melinda Gates through their charitable foundation do more to support
education and medical research, particularly for 3rd world countries and
associated health problems, than most other charities, and more than
some national governments including our own.

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/GlobalHealth/

Mike
-- 
M.R. Clark, PhD. Division of Immunology
Cambridge University, Dept. Pathology
Tennis Court Rd., Cambridge CB2 1QP
Tel.+44 1223 333705  Fax.+44 1223 333875
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mrc75541 (85)
8/2/2006 4:19:28 PM
In article <4e501f2f71alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Alan Calder
<alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Perhaps we could agree on the simultaneous implementation of UN
> Resolutions 242 and 1559 as a means of settling the conflict?

242, by, that is an old one. Round about 1967 was it?

-- 
Barry A.
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evanallen (387)
8/2/2006 5:01:15 PM
In article <4e502eb5ccevanallen@onetel.net.uk>,
   Barry Allen (news) <evanallen@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> In article <4e501f2f71alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Alan Calder
> <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > Perhaps we could agree on the simultaneous implementation of UN
> > Resolutions 242 and 1559 as a means of settling the conflict?

> 242, by, that is an old one. Round about 1967 was it?

Indeed it was, as I suspect you know :-)  If only it had been obeyed.

The last UN Resolution passed that required Israel to do something it
didn't want before the US began the policy from 1972 of vetoing any such
resolutions.

You could of course go back to 181 of 1947 which began the whole dreadful
business. Votes were 33 for, 13 against, 10 abstentions.  The UK abstained
but you could guess that the againsts were the Middle East and Arab states
plus some far seeing places such as India, Greece, Afghanistan and Cuba. 
It was never clear what gave the UN the authority to dispossess one people
in favour of another and here we are with this mess.

Cheers

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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alan_calder (665)
8/2/2006 5:28:16 PM
On 2 Aug 2006  Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <4e502eb5ccevanallen@onetel.net.uk>,
>    Barry Allen (news) <evanallen@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>> In article <4e501f2f71alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Alan Calder
>> <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Perhaps we could agree on the simultaneous implementation of UN
>> > Resolutions 242 and 1559 as a means of settling the conflict?
> 
>> 242, by, that is an old one. Round about 1967 was it?
> 
> Indeed it was, as I suspect you know :-)  If only it had been obeyed.

How OT is all this? :-)

Where is druck when we need him? >;-)>

With best wishes,

Peter.

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pnyoung1 (1656)
8/2/2006 5:48:00 PM
In article <4e50312ef6alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
   Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4e502eb5ccevanallen@onetel.net.uk>,
>    Barry Allen (news) <evanallen@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> > In article <4e501f2f71alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Alan Calder
> > <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Perhaps we could agree on the simultaneous implementation of UN
> > > Resolutions 242 and 1559 as a means of settling the conflict?

> > 242, by, that is an old one. Round about 1967 was it?

> Indeed it was, as I suspect you know :-)  If only it had been obeyed.

You mean the bit where the other states had to respect the territorial
integrity of Israel in return for Israel's withdrawal from conquered lands.
Given the still-held views of some neighbouring countries, it isn't
suprising Israel refused to withdraw.


> The last UN Resolution passed that required Israel to do something it
> didn't want before the US began the policy from 1972 of vetoing any such
> resolutions.

> You could of course go back to 181 of 1947 which began the whole dreadful
> business. Votes were 33 for, 13 against, 10 abstentions. 

That was a General Assembly Resolution, rather than a Security Council one.

> The UK abstained

Probably because it was the caretaker of Palestine under the League of
Nations mandate.

> but you could guess that the againsts were the Middle East and Arab states
> plus some far seeing places such as India, Greece, Afghanistan and Cuba. 
> It was never clear what gave the UN the authority to dispossess one people
> in favour of another 

probably guilt at the Nazi treament of the Jews.

> and here we are with this mess.

yes.  It follows from the 1947 attempt by the Arab states to crush the
Jewish state which resulted in a much larger Jewish state than originally
envisaged by the UN.

-- 
From KT24 - in drought-ridden Surrey

Using a RISC OS5 computer

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charles7889 (2007)
8/2/2006 6:04:54 PM
"Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk> wrote:

> In article <4e501f2f71alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Alan Calder
> <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > Perhaps we could agree on the simultaneous implementation of UN
> > Resolutions 242 and 1559 as a means of settling the conflict?
> 
> 242, by, that is an old one. Round about 1967 was it?
> 
Yes, but one the Israelis never kept to. Their interpretation of 'borders'
was different to the understanding of the rest of the world.

"Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the
recent conflict; 

Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and
acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political
independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace
within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of
force; 

Affirms further the necessity 

For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in
the area; 

For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem; 

For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence
of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment
of demilitarized zones;"

Resolution 1559 starts

"By a vote of 9 in favour (Angola, Benin, Chile, France, Germany, Romania,
Spain, United Kingdom, United States) to none against, with 6 abstentions
(Algeria, Brazil, China, Pakistan, Philippines, Russian Federation), the
Council adopted resolution 1559 (2004), reaffirming its call for the
strict respect of Lebanon�s sovereignty, territorial integrity, unity, and
political independence under the sole and exclusive authority of the
Government of Lebanon throughout the country."

Again, Israel refused to hand back an area of Lebanon and Hezbollah
decided to try and get it bak themselves. Israel also held onto Lebanese
prisoners who should have been returned under the resolution.

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
8/2/2006 6:11:37 PM
Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> You could of course go back to 181 of 1947 which began the whole
> dreadful business. Votes were 33 for, 13 against, 10 abstentions.  The
> UK abstained but you could guess that the againsts were the Middle East
> and Arab states plus some far seeing places such as India, Greece,
> Afghanistan and Cuba. It was never clear what gave the UN the authority
> to dispossess one people in favour of another and here we are with this
> mess.
> 
And again, the Israelis have repeatedly broken. The area bordering onto
South Lebanon was actually given to the Palestinians, but Israel grabbed
it for themselves.

They are actually attacking Lebanon from a bit of Palestine, but they
would never admit it.

Cheers,

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
8/2/2006 6:21:06 PM
In article <4e5034897echarles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
<charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> It follows from the 1947 attempt by the Arab states to crush the
> Jewish state which resulted in a much larger Jewish state than
> originally envisaged by the UN.

If you have time and wish to understand much of the background to the
recent and current conflict read Michener's "The Source".

-- 
A T (Sandy) Morton
on the Bicycle Island
In the Global Village
http://www.millport.net
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sandy5822 (221)
8/2/2006 6:22:29 PM
Dr Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 2 Aug 2006  Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In article <4e502eb5ccevanallen@onetel.net.uk>,
> >    Barry Allen (news) <evanallen@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <4e501f2f71alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Alan Calder
> > > <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > Perhaps we could agree on the simultaneous implementation of UN
> > > > Resolutions 242 and 1559 as a means of settling the conflict?
> > 
> > > 242, by, that is an old one. Round about 1967 was it?
> > 
> > Indeed it was, as I suspect you know :-)  If only it had been obeyed.
> 
> How OT is all this? :-)
> 
> Where is druck when we need him? >;-)>
> 
Using his GPS to find his way in his Mazda :-)

Cheers,

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
8/2/2006 6:22:41 PM
In article <46e22a504e.mrc7offline@mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk>,
   Mike Clark <mrc7@nospam.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> However commenting on the above what I note with some irony is that Bill
> and Melinda Gates through their charitable foundation do more to support
> education and medical research, particularly for 3rd world countries and
> associated health problems, than most other charities, and more than
> some national governments including our own.

I could take a leaf from Ray's book and mention the widow's mite. ;-)

-- 
	John Cartmell	john@ followed by finnybank.com	  0845 006 8822
	Qercus magazine	FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527		www.finnybank.com
	Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing
                                                      
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john233 (5650)
8/2/2006 6:36:35 PM
In article <gemini.j3duz600litc502pc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

> > 
> > You could of course go back to 181 of 1947 which began the whole
> > dreadful business. Votes were 33 for, 13 against, 10 abstentions.  The
> > UK abstained but you could guess that the againsts were the Middle East
> > and Arab states plus some far seeing places such as India, Greece,
> > Afghanistan and Cuba. It was never clear what gave the UN the authority
> > to dispossess one people in favour of another and here we are with this
> > mess.
> > 
> And again, the Israelis have repeatedly broken. The area bordering onto
> South Lebanon was actually given to the Palestinians, but Israel grabbed
> it for themselves.

Yes, they "grabbed it" as a result of attacks by Arab states on the infant
state of Israel.  If you start a war and lose it there can be adverse
results.

Israel was perfectly happy with the "West Bank" as part of Jordan. 
unfortunately for Jordan they joined in a massed Arab attack on Israel
(1967) and lost.

An interesting point, often forgotten, is that the new state of Israel was
mainly supported by the USSR since most of "The West" favoured "The Arabs".

-- 
From KT24 - in drought-ridden Surrey

Using a RISC OS5 computer

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charles7889 (2007)
8/2/2006 6:57:56 PM
In article <4e5039647dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
<charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> An interesting point, often forgotten, is that the new state of Israel
> was mainly supported by the USSR since most of "The West" favoured "The
> Arabs".

Trying to stop myself but such flagrant untruth!

Actual voting figures for Resolution 181 were: 
Yes: 
Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussia, Canada, Costa Rica,
Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala,
Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua,
Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukraine, Union
of South Africa, USSR, USA, Uruguay, Venezuela

No:
Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan,
Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen

Abstained:
Argentina, Chile, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico,
United Kingdom, Yugoslavia. 

Do some reading before pontificating!

Cheers

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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alan_calder (665)
8/2/2006 7:43:52 PM
In article <4e503d98e4alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
   Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4e5039647dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
> <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> [Snip]

> > An interesting point, often forgotten, is that the new state of Israel
> > was mainly supported by the USSR since most of "The West" favoured "The
> > Arabs".

> Trying to stop myself but such flagrant untruth!

> Actual voting figures for Resolution 181 were: Yes: Australia, Belgium,
> Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussia, Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia,
> Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland,
> Liberia, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama,
> Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukraine, Union of South
> Africa, USSR, USA, Uruguay, Venezuela

USSR is in this list.  They supplied the arms needed by Israel.


> Do some reading before pontificating!

I do a lot of it. but I don't behave like the Pope.

-- 
From KT24 - in drought-ridden Surrey

Using a RISC OS5 computer

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charles7889 (2007)
8/2/2006 8:23:01 PM
John Cartmell <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <46e22a504e.mrc7offline@mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk>,
>    Mike Clark <mrc7@nospam.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> > However commenting on the above what I note with some irony is that
> > Bill and Melinda Gates through their charitable foundation do more to
> > support education and medical research, particularly for 3rd world
> > countries and associated health problems, than most other charities,
> > and more than some national governments including our own.
> 
> I could take a leaf from Ray's book and mention the widow's mite. ;-)
> 
And RISC OS Ltd do ...

Oh dear - not a mite in sight.

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
8/2/2006 10:12:07 PM
In article <4e50377009john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>,
   John Cartmell <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <46e22a504e.mrc7offline@mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk>,
>    Mike Clark <mrc7@nospam.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> > However commenting on the above what I note with some irony is
> > that Bill and Melinda Gates through their charitable foundation
> > do more to support education and medical research, particularly
> > for 3rd world countries and associated health problems, than most
> > other charities, and more than some national governments
> > including our own.

> I could take a leaf from Ray's book and mention the widow's mite.
> ;-)

Nice irony. Isn't he richer than our government? 

(Actually it isn't our government, it's Her Majesty's government. As I
keep reminding myself, gratefully, whichever party's been in power for
a long time.)

By the way, this IS zfc-chat following the scenic route, isn't it?

Michael Harding

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mdharding (385)
8/3/2006 8:00:57 PM
In article <4e503d98e4alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
   Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4e5039647dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
> <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> [Snip]

> > An interesting point, often forgotten, is that the new state of
> > Israel was mainly supported by the USSR since most of "The West"
> > favoured "The Arabs".

> Trying to stop myself but such flagrant untruth!

Relax! The USSR supported Israel because the gulags of Siberia had
became overcrowded with dissidents.

Michael Harding

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mdharding (385)
8/3/2006 8:04:47 PM
Michael Harding <mdharding@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <4e503d98e4alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
>    Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <4e5039647dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
> > <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > [Snip]
> 
> > > An interesting point, often forgotten, is that the new state of
> > > Israel was mainly supported by the USSR since most of "The West"
> > > favoured "The Arabs".
> 
> > Trying to stop myself but such flagrant untruth!
> 
> Relax! The USSR supported Israel because the gulags of Siberia had
> became overcrowded with dissidents.

And the UK abstained because they made use of the Palestinians during the
war.

Cheers,

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
8/3/2006 9:36:49 PM
In article <gemini.j3fypc00b5ym901nc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Michael Harding <mdharding@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <4e503d98e4alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
> >    Alan Calder <alan_calder@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <4e5039647dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
> > > <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > [Snip]
> > 
> > > > An interesting point, often forgotten, is that the new state of
> > > > Israel was mainly supported by the USSR since most of "The West"
> > > > favoured "The Arabs".
> > 
> > > Trying to stop myself but such flagrant untruth!
> > 
> > Relax! The USSR supported Israel because the gulags of Siberia had
> > became overcrowded with dissidents.

> And the UK abstained because they made use of the Palestinians during the
> war.

"made use of" meaning precisely what?

Britain was appointed to administer Palestine, Transjordan and Iraq by the
League of Nations following the 'collapse' of the Turkish/Ottoman Empire at
the end of WW1. France similarly adminstered Lebanon and Syria.

-- 
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charles7889 (2007)
8/4/2006 12:39:47 PM
In article <gemini.j3dhxf00bgck202pc.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would
> cease to buy anything from you. 

> I don't believe in supporting those who massacre innocent women and
> children and commit other war crimes and atrocities.

Isn't that a bit like saying you'd never buy anything from a British
company because the British govt helped invade Iraq?

If you had evidence that the people in that Israeli company were
themselves warmongers, that might be different.

-- 
Jeremy C B Nicoll, Edinburgh, Scotland - my opinions are my own.
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Jeremy1 (1807)
8/6/2006 2:28:45 PM
Ray,

I wish you study the matter better before blaming Israel. During the
second WW GB was under the V1, then the V2 missiles for a very long
period, many citizens were killed. Then GB bombed civilians in Berlin.

Today - 2 million (out of about 5 million Israeli citizens -
Israeli and Arabs) live under DAILY missiles attacks that are aimed to
kill civilians in Israel.

The Hezbollah people are using the civilians as a shield. IDF always
notify the civil population before air or ground attacks.

Israel is trying to target these people, who intestinally want to kill
as many Jews as possible, and declare for the last 10 year that they
will not rest until Israel will "Disappear".  We have nothing
against Lebanon - we just want to live our life.

Did you know that after Israel left all the occupied territories in
Gaza, the Israeli towns that are located up to 20 kilometers from Gaza
are bombed DAILY by Kassam missiles that are sent from Gaza?

We are having a lot of casualties just because we try to find the
actual terrorist and we try to avoid casualties among civilians.

Ray, read some history books. Try to find an army that under a war
condition sent a commando group to an apartment inside a city to kill
the 3 people that were responsible to send a 150 Kilograms bomb missile
on a city in order to kill civilians, instead of bombing the whole
building. The IDF did it a week ago.

I'm sorry you digest the propaganda w/o putting some thought. I hope
that the radical Islamic organization will not put GB in a bad
situation in the future.

About business - we are not willing to sell to those who call us
women and kids killers.

And, by the way - Belal is a Muslim Arab (and a good friend, and a
good business associate).

Izzy Gal






Ray Dawson wrote:
> Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
> >
> > The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it for a
> > printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone version
> > is available. We are talking to them about importing them. I hope to
> > have a sample in the near future.
> >
> To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would cease to
> buy anything from you.
>
> I don't believe in supporting those who massacre innocent women and
> children and commit other war crimes and atrocities.
> 
> Ray D

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gal.izzy (1)
8/8/2006 3:17:39 PM
gal.izzy@gmail.com wrote:

> Ray,
> 
> I wish you study the matter better before blaming Israel. During the
> second WW GB was under the V1, then the V2 missiles for a very long
> period, many citizens were killed. Then GB bombed civilians in Berlin.

I never said I was proud of what the UK did. Bombing Dresden was a war
crime in my view, but the perpetrators were never taken to trial.

The sinking of the Belgrano - an Argentinian ship which was fleeing - was
also unforgiveable.

> Today - 2 million (out of about 5 million Israeli citizens - Israeli and
> Arabs) live under DAILY missiles attacks that are aimed to kill
> civilians in Israel.

Which is nothing compared to the constant barrages and air strikes Lebanon
civilians suffer from the Israelis. Get real. Israel have murdered over
1000 Lebanese civilians in the last four weeks. Hezbollah have killed 100
Israelis in reciprocal attacks - mainly soldiers. We don't have a count of
the Hezbollah fighters killed by Israel, but they would obviously claim a
high figure to justify what they are doing.

> The Hezbollah people are using the civilians as a shield. IDF always
> notify the civil population before air or ground attacks.

Big Deal. "Get out or we'll kill you". And then kill them in their
vehicles on the roads as they flee - together with UN observers,
ambulances and Red Cross vehicles.

Today the Israelis massacred Lebanese families attending the funeral of
those murdered yesterday by Isreali air strikes.

> Israel is trying to target these people, who intestinally want to kill
> as many Jews as possible, and declare for the last 10 year that they
> will not rest until Israel will "Disappear".  We have nothing against
> Lebanon - we just want to live our life.

As do the Lebanes - without Israel constantly crossing their border.

It appears from their actions that Israel wants to kill as many Arabs as
possible, irrespective of which Arab state they come from. It's called
ethnic cleansing.

Israel is at the heart of every unrest in the middle east and I honestly
believe that it is time the Israel state was either taken to task by the
UN security council, or disbanded.

> Did you know that after Israel left all the occupied territories in
> Gaza, the Israeli towns that are located up to 20 kilometers from Gaza
> are bombed DAILY by Kassam missiles that are sent from Gaza?

But Israel didn't leave all the occupied territories in Gaza - just the
bits they wanted to give back. Palestinians have every right to try and
evict the invaders.

> We are having a lot of casualties just because we try to find the actual
> terrorist and we try to avoid casualties among civilians.

You are having a few casualties which are nothing compared to those
civilians killed in daily Israeli atrocities.

The real terrorists are the Israelis who have invaded and taken over Arab
lands for nearly 40 years. OK, Hezbollah should show a bit more restraint,
but they are only fighting for land stolen from lebanon by Israel.

> Ray, read some history books. Try to find an army that under a war
> condition sent a commando group to an apartment inside a city to kill
> the 3 people that were responsible to send a 150 Kilograms bomb missile
> on a city in order to kill civilians, instead of bombing the whole
> building. The IDF did it a week ago.

Do you mind if I come into Tel Aviv and do the same thing? What right do
Israel have to make an incursion into another country. It is just Israeli
arrogance that they think they are above the rules and laws of the global
community.

> I'm sorry you digest the propaganda w/o putting some thought. I hope
> that the radical Islamic organization will not put GB in a bad situation
> in the future.

The UK have suffered from being allied to the US in the pursuit of
so-called 'terrorists'. In fact it has only been an excuse for a US
witchhunt and revenge for 9/11. The US has never asked itself WHY 9/11
happened - they just assume everyone else is to blame and that they are
sovereign throughout the world. Unfortunately, it happened because of the
US tampering with middle eastern politics in support of Israel and the US
greed for oil revenue.

> About business - we are not willing to sell to those who call us women
> and kids killers.

You may not be personally, but Israel is. I don't know whereabouts in the
world you are located but, in the UK, we have full uncensored coverage of
all the happenings in lebanon. We see daily atrocities committed by Israel
against Lebanese women and children.

This includes the massacre of 50 people - 30+ of them children - just over
a week ago. maybe your country doesn't report the news it doesn't want you
to see and hear.

Israel dropped leaflets on a town warning the civilians to flee. When they
fled in their vehicles, the Israeli airforce bombed them - including the
women and children on board. We saw pictures of what remained of the
children's bodies in the road.

Last night they bombed ambulances trying to rescue civilians from a block
of flats they had just bombed. Again, we saw the pictures - you may not
have.

I would not like to own the concience that can justify these atrocities.

> And, by the way - Belal is a Muslim Arab (and a good friend, and a good
> business associate).

I sorry, but I don't know who Belal is.

Regards,

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
8/8/2006 4:22:31 PM
In article <gemini.j3othi003wr2500yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> so-called 'terrorists'. In fact it has only been an excuse for a US
> witchhunt and revenge for 9/11. The US has never asked itself WHY 9/11
> happened - they just assume everyone else is to blame and that they are
> sovereign throughout the world. Unfortunately, it happened because of the
> US tampering with middle eastern politics in support of Israel and the US
> greed for oil revenue.

The US know full well why 9/11 happened - because they allowed it to happen
and, guess what, Israel warned them about it in July 2001. Indeed, there
were loads of Israeli mossad agents posing as students in the USA in the
months up to Sept 11th.
And guess what, despite 1000's of Israeli people working in the twin
towers, not a single Israeli casualty occurred in the attack (re CNN
official death toll) - because they all took Sept 11th off work, having
been forwarned. Coincidence or conspiracy? I'll let the reader decide.

Just like the Israeli foreign ministor visiting London in July 2005 was
warned not to travel on the morning on July 7th - because they knew full
well what was going to happen, but allowed it too in order to further
propagate their "War on Terror".

If you get the chance, watch "Loose Change II" which I defy anyone to watch
and still think Al Qaida had anything whatsoever to do with 9/11.
http://www.loosechange911.com/
So convinced am I that I'll send a free DVD of it to anyone who asks.

> You may not be personally, but Israel is. I don't know whereabouts in the
> world you are located but, in the UK, we have full uncensored coverage of
> all the happenings in lebanon. We see daily atrocities committed by
> Israel against Lebanese women and children.

Izzy Gal is located in Rosh Ha'ayin, Israel 48091, so is no doubt
understandibly defensive of Israeli actions.

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invalid51 (164)
8/8/2006 4:43:33 PM
In article <gemini.j3othi003wr2500yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> I would not like to own the concience that can justify these atrocities.

I would not like to own your conscience - that can justify inflaming such
matters from a position of ignorance. It's comments like yours that gave
support to those that carried bombs to London last year. You think the matter
is simple and that there is one side in the wrong. Your simplicity is
murderous.

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john233 (5650)
8/8/2006 4:55:35 PM
Paul Vigay <invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> > You may not be personally, but Israel is. I don't know whereabouts in
> > the world you are located but, in the UK, we have full uncensored
> > coverage of all the happenings in lebanon. We see daily atrocities
> > committed by Israel against Lebanese women and children.
> 
> Izzy Gal is located in Rosh Ha'ayin, Israel 48091, so is no doubt
> understandibly defensive of Israeli actions.
> 
And presumably Israel TV don't show details of Israeli atrocities in
Lebanon. We see it uncensored in graphic detail.

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
8/8/2006 5:08:02 PM
John Cartmell <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <gemini.j3othi003wr2500yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > I would not like to own the concience that can justify these
> > atrocities.
> 
> I would not like to own your conscience - that can justify inflaming
> such matters from a position of ignorance. It's comments like yours that
> gave support to those that carried bombs to London last year. You think
> the matter is simple and that there is one side in the wrong. Your
> simplicity is murderous.
> 
I don't believe you ever read articles which you reply to.

I've never said that only one side is in the wrong. What I am saying is
that Israel is more in the wrong than the Palestinians or Hezbollah.

The bombings in London were carried out because the UK is seen as a puppet
of the US, a supporter of Israel and a soft target.

The perpetrators of the bombings in London and New York were murderers
(they didn't survive).

The perpetrators of the bombings in Lebanon and Palestine are murderers.

How is that taking sides?

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
8/8/2006 5:13:29 PM
In article <4e534534f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>,
   John Cartmell <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> support to those that carried bombs to London last year. You think the
> matter is simple and that there is one side in the wrong. Your simplicity
> is murderous.

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/

Don't believe Tony Bliar.

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invalid51 (164)
8/8/2006 5:24:43 PM
In article <gemini.j3ovld005jaq000yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Paul Vigay <invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:

> > 
> > > You may not be personally, but Israel is. I don't know whereabouts in
> > > the world you are located but, in the UK, we have full uncensored
> > > coverage of all the happenings in lebanon. We see daily atrocities
> > > committed by Israel against Lebanese women and children.
> > 
> > Izzy Gal is located in Rosh Ha'ayin, Israel 48091, so is no doubt
> > understandibly defensive of Israeli actions.
> > 
> And presumably Israel TV don't show details of Israeli atrocities in
> Lebanon. We see it uncensored in graphic detail.

If we did see it uncensored we'd see more made for propaganda film. Thankfully
the BBC (and Sky to a lesser extent) filter out many bogus news films.

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john233 (5650)
8/8/2006 5:25:28 PM
In message <gemini.j3ovld005jaq000yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
          Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> Paul Vigay <invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> > You may not be personally, but Israel is. I don't know whereabouts in
>> > the world you are located but, in the UK, we have full uncensored
>> > coverage of all the happenings in lebanon. We see daily atrocities
>> > committed by Israel against Lebanese women and children.
>> 
>> Izzy Gal is located in Rosh Ha'ayin, Israel 48091, so is no doubt
>> understandibly defensive of Israeli actions.
>> 
> And presumably Israel TV don't show details of Israeli atrocities in
> Lebanon. We see it uncensored in graphic detail.
> 
We see what the television producers want us to see so as to support 
whichever view they want to support at the time.

Reading some of these comments I can only thank God that none of you 
were around about 70 years ago - the whole world would be speaking a 
mixture of german and japanese by now.

Let the Israelis do what their people want them to do - defend them 
against the small amount of terrorist orientated Arabs that want to 
see them extinct.

If all the other Arab states really were so concerned they could 
easily overrun Israel just by force of numbers - thinking Arabs know 
that it is Hizbollah that caused this war and they also want to see 
them wiped out as they do nothing to enhance the responsible Arab 
viewpoint.

I apologise for my OT comments but this thread is too far gone to be 
salvaged, I shall not say anything further to encourage the 
anti-Israelis on here to respond just that I am glad I am now too old 
to be called upon to defend them against outside enemies should it 
become necessary.

-- 
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jaygcee (217)
8/8/2006 5:27:49 PM
JayCee <jaygcee@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> 
> Reading some of these comments I can only thank God that none of you
> were around about 70 years ago - the whole world would be speaking a
> mixture of german and japanese by now.
> 
And we would be regarded as terrorists for trying to get them out.

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
8/8/2006 5:58:35 PM
On 8 Aug 2006  Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> JayCee <jaygcee@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Reading some of these comments I can only thank God that none of you
>> were around about 70 years ago - the whole world would be speaking a
>> mixture of german and japanese by now.
>> 
> And we would be regarded as terrorists for trying to get them out.

<spoilsport> Maybe, but you'd be regraded as being OT </spoilsport>

With best wishes,

Peter.

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pnyoung1 (1656)
8/8/2006 6:06:28 PM
On 8 Aug 2006 gal.izzy@gmail.com wrote:
[Snip]

Ray Dawson wrote:

[Snip]

This subject is not appropriate for this newsgroup.

If you wish to discus such things take it to email.
 
---druck

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news5843 (7461)
8/8/2006 7:30:39 PM
In article <gemini.j3ovuh005qbhf00yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> John Cartmell <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <gemini.j3othi003wr2500yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
> >    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > > I would not like to own the concience that can justify these
> > > atrocities.
> > 
> > I would not like to own your conscience - that can justify inflaming
> > such matters from a position of ignorance. It's comments like yours that
> > gave support to those that carried bombs to London last year. You think
> > the matter is simple and that there is one side in the wrong. Your
> > simplicity is murderous.
> > 
> I don't believe you ever read articles which you reply to.

> I've never said that only one side is in the wrong. What I am saying is
> that Israel is more in the wrong than the Palestinians or Hezbollah.

Your comments came out as a one-sided rant. I certainly didn't notice any
balance and doubt there was even a smidgen of one.

> The bombings in London were carried out because the UK is seen as a puppet
> of the US, a supporter of Israel and a soft target.

And against a background of people condemning the war in Iraq as anti-Muslim -
orchestrated as partly by people who were simply against all war (most of us
are) and partly by people wishing to take party-political advantage. I
wouldn't suggest that the stance taken by the Lib Dems caused the bombing -
but it helped convince people not to co-operate with the 'authorities'. You
meddle with things beyond your understanding and you whip up a whirlwind
beyond your control.

> The perpetrators of the bombings in London and New York were murderers
> (they didn't survive).

> The perpetrators of the bombings in Lebanon and Palestine are murderers.

> How is that taking sides?

At least you've now stopped throwing out unsubstantiated charges of genocide.
What I don't understand is how you support real genocide c1400 BCE and yet
oppose it today - or hadn't you appreciated how the Israelites took over the
'promised land' under the direction and with the support of your god?

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john233 (5650)
8/8/2006 7:35:51 PM
In article <4e5347dfb2invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk>,
   Paul Vigay <invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4e534534f8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>,
>    John Cartmell <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > support to those that carried bombs to London last year. You think the
> > matter is simple and that there is one side in the wrong. Your simplicity
> > is murderous.

> http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/

> Don't believe Tony Bliar.

Come off it! What makes you think I believe him? His support for Gates,
Murdoch, and Creationist schools quite obviously makes it impossible for me to
accept uncritically anything he says or does.

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john233 (5650)
8/8/2006 7:38:28 PM
In article <gemini.j3othi003wr2500yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>  or disbanded.

You're begining to sound like an Iranian

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SW_NOSPAM (1409)
8/8/2006 9:33:09 PM
druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:

> On 8 Aug 2006 gal.izzy@gmail.com wrote: [Snip]
> 
> Ray Dawson wrote:
> 
> [Snip]
> 
> This subject is not appropriate for this newsgroup.

That is not your decision to make.

> If you wish to discus such things take it to email.

Get back into your hole.

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
8/8/2006 9:44:04 PM
On 8 Aug 2006 Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 8 Aug 2006 gal.izzy@gmail.com wrote: [Snip]
> > 
> > Ray Dawson wrote:
> > 
> > [Snip]
> > 
> > This subject is not appropriate for this newsgroup.
> 
> That is not your decision to make.

No its the decision of the founders of this group, and specified very clearly
in the charter, and in the FAQ which is posted regularly - as you know very
well after a huge number of previous transgressions throughout the csa
hierarchy.
 
> > If you wish to discus such things take it to email.
> 
> Get back into your hole.

No Ray its you that is hiding in a hole, you insist on airing your ill
informed views and weak arguments in an inappropriate group, where only one
or two other equally ill informed people will respond. You are obvious too
afraid of the derision you would suffer if you tried this in an appropriate
group where people have real knowledge of the subject matter.

This is comp.sys.acorn.hardware, demonstrate your ignorance and self inflated
ego elsewhere.

---druck

-- 
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news5843 (7461)
8/8/2006 10:22:59 PM
In article <gemini.j3p8df00fe9y300yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:

> > On 8 Aug 2006 gal.izzy@gmail.com wrote: [Snip]

> > Ray Dawson wrote:

> > [Snip]

> > This subject is not appropriate for this newsgroup.
> That is not your decision to make.
You're right. But druck merely made a reasonable and entirely correct comment.
Your only appropriate resonse here would have been "Sorry".

> > If you wish to discuss such things take it to email.
> Get back into your hole.
That's where you are. You're kill-filed.

-- 
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	Qercus magazine	FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527		www.finnybank.com
	Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing
                                                      
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john233 (5650)
8/8/2006 10:37:14 PM
On 8 Aug, John Cartmell wrote in message
  <4e53647c7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>:

> In article <gemini.j3p8df00fe9y300yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > This subject is not appropriate for this newsgroup.
> > 
> > That is not your decision to make.

You're right, it's not.  It was made a long time ago, when the group's
charter was agreed democratically.  Druck's merely pointing out your
ignorance of that decision.

> You're right. But druck merely made a reasonable and entirely correct
> comment. Your only appropriate resonse here would have been "Sorry".

You're as guilty as Ray, John, as you've been contributing to this thread
too.  Perhaps anyone who feels the need to continue could move to
somewhere like ZFC (or, at a push, aab, which seems to have been hijacked
for this kind of thread).

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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news1571 (3486)
8/8/2006 10:50:52 PM
In article <edbb65534e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>,
   Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> You're as guilty as Ray, John, as you've been contributing to this thread
> too.  Perhaps anyone who feels the need to continue could move to
> somewhere like ZFC 

Oh, it's already being vehemently discussed by John and Ray (and others)
in zfc

-- 
Stuart Winsor

From is valid but subject to change without notice if it gets spammed.

For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
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SW_NOSPAM (1409)
8/8/2006 11:27:43 PM
It will aork with any opration system, and any hardware, it take the
data from the LPT port and pass it to the USB printer port
Belal Lehwany
blehwany@epapersign.com
+972-505505893
Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
> In message of 1 Aug, "Belal lehwany" <blehwany@ePaperSign.com> wrote:
>
> > We have develop a device that is connecting a PC parallel port to USB
> > Printer, from more information see www.lpt2usb.com
>
> That site does not work on either of these browsers: oregano and
> NetSurf.
>
> Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
>
> --
> Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org
>              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

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blehwany (2)
8/9/2006 7:34:26 AM
In article <4e53647c7djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>,
   John Cartmell <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <gemini.j3p8df00fe9y300yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:

> > > On 8 Aug 2006 gal.izzy@gmail.com wrote: [Snip]

> > > Ray Dawson wrote:

> > > [Snip]

> > > This subject is not appropriate for this newsgroup.
> > That is not your decision to make.
> You're right. But druck merely made a reasonable and entirely
> correct comment. Your only appropriate resonse here would have been
> "Sorry".

> > > If you wish to discuss such things take it to email.
> > Get back into your hole.
> That's where you are. You're kill-filed.

It's already on email. This is a pincer movement, apparently.

Michael Harding

-- 
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mdharding (385)
8/9/2006 10:09:45 AM
In message <1155050259.185071.106670@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
          gal.izzy@gmail.com wrote:

> Ray,
> 
> I wish you study the matter better before blaming Israel. During the
> second WW GB was under the V1, then the V2 missiles for a very long
> period, many citizens were killed. Then GB bombed civilians in Berlin.
> 

If you are going to quote examples from history, get your chronolology right,
the RAF was bombing Berlin long before the V1 attacks.  The former started in
late 1940[1], the latter in June 1944.  In terms of casualties inflicted the
V1 and V2 were much less effective than conventional aerial attacks, much as
in Lebanon now.  By that stage of the war the Luftwaffe no longer had the
ability to attack London.

[1] As reprisal for the Luftwaffe bombing London.

-- 
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website:  
<http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html>
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Graeme (792)
8/9/2006 12:33:50 PM
In message <gemini.j3othi003wr2500yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
          Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> 
> The sinking of the Belgrano - an Argentinian ship which was fleeing - was
> also unforgiveable.
> 

Ray please, not that old canard. It's totally untrue.  The ship wasn't
'fleeing',  was in a war zone, belonged to a belligerent nation and was part
of a projected coordinated attack on the task force.  By anybody's reckoning
it was a legitimate target.  What was unforgiveable was the Belgrano's
captain operating in a war zone without being closed up for action.  If she
had been at proper action stations the death tole would have been a fraction
of what it was.  Also the Argentine Naval High Command was culpable for
allowing the ship to sail on a war mission with 300 intrained conscripts
above complement on board.

-- 
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website:  
<http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html>
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Graeme (792)
8/9/2006 12:41:58 PM
Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <gemini.j3othi003wr2500yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
>           Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> [snip]
> > 
> > The sinking of the Belgrano - an Argentinian ship which was fleeing -
> > was also unforgiveable.
> > 
> 
> Ray please, not that old canard. It's totally untrue.  The ship wasn't
> 'fleeing',  was in a war zone, belonged to a belligerent nation and was
> part of a projected coordinated attack on the task force.  

I'm sorry Graham but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200 mile
exclusion zone and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the time.

The commander of Conqueror initially wouldn't engage as he knew he would
be breaking international rules of engagement. However, he was ordered to
by Thatcher.

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
8/9/2006 2:33:05 PM
Ray Dawson wrote:
> druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8 Aug 2006 gal.izzy@gmail.com wrote: [Snip]
>> 
>> Ray Dawson wrote:
>> 
>> [Snip]
>> 
>> This subject is not appropriate for this newsgroup.
>
> That is not your decision to make.

It's not a decision. It's just a statement of fact. The current situation 
in the middle east has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this 
newsgroup.

>> If you wish to discus such things take it to email.
>
> Get back into your hole.

Go and discuss this somewhere appropriate, please.
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usenet5050 (306)
8/9/2006 2:44:42 PM
On 9 Aug 2006  Ollie Clark <usenet@ollieclark.com> wrote:

> Ray Dawson wrote:
>> druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 Aug 2006 gal.izzy@gmail.com wrote: [Snip]
>>> 
>>> Ray Dawson wrote:
>>> 
>>> [Snip]
>>> 
>>> This subject is not appropriate for this newsgroup.
>>
>> That is not your decision to make.
> 
> It's not a decision. It's just a statement of fact. The current situation
> in the middle east has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this
> newsgroup.
> 
>>> If you wish to discus such things take it to email.
>>
>> Get back into your hole.
> 
> Go and discuss this somewhere appropriate, please.

Three of us have now said this. There's nowt as deaf as them as won't 
hear. :-(

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
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Anne     \ / __            __  \                              England.
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pnyoung1 (1656)
8/9/2006 2:49:13 PM
In article <gemini.j3qj3400ebvp502xw.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> > In message <gemini.j3othi003wr2500yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
> >           Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > 
> > > The sinking of the Belgrano - an Argentinian ship which was fleeing -
> > > was also unforgiveable.
> > > 
> > 
> > Ray please, not that old canard. It's totally untrue.  The ship wasn't
> > 'fleeing',  was in a war zone, belonged to a belligerent nation and was
> > part of a projected coordinated attack on the task force.  

> I'm sorry Graham but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200
> mile exclusion zone and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the
> time.

She was a warship of the other side and could have changed course at any
time. Warships of the other side get sunk in a war - that's what it is all
about.

Jochen

-- 

 ------------------------------------ 
 If you want to learn about Limavady 
 and the Roe Valley, why not try
 
 http://www.benevenagh.freeuk.com
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jl9842 (299)
8/9/2006 3:25:26 PM
In article <gemini.j3qj3400ebvp502xw.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm sorry Graham but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200
> mile exclusion zone and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the
> time.

> The commander of Conqueror initially wouldn't engage as he knew he would
> be breaking international rules of engagement. However, he was ordered to
> by Thatcher.

Correct.

See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/2/newsid_2480000/2480241.stm for one account, confirming it was outside the exclusion zone.

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invalid51 (164)
8/9/2006 4:00:30 PM
In message <gemini.j3qj3400ebvp502xw.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
          Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In message <gemini.j3othi003wr2500yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
> >           Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > 
> > > The sinking of the Belgrano - an Argentinian ship which was fleeing -
> > > was also unforgiveable.
> > > 
> > 
> > Ray please, not that old canard. It's totally untrue.  The ship wasn't
> > 'fleeing',  was in a war zone, belonged to a belligerent nation and was
> > part of a projected coordinated attack on the task force.  
> 
> I'm sorry Graham

Who? 

> but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200 mile exclusion zone
> and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the time.

Wrong I'm afraid.  The TEZ merely defined the limits where commanders had a
free hand in attacking enemy vessels[1].  At the time of the sinking the
Belgrano was actually sailing roughly parallel to the southern edge of the
Falklands.  As has been pointed out by many less biased observers, her actual
course at the time was immaterial, she was still only a few hours sailing
from a position where she would be able to launch her exocet missiles at the
task force.

The fuss was all started because Thatcher didn't understand this point either
and tried to bluster when she didn't understand a question that was put to
her.

> 
> The commander of Conqueror initially wouldn't engage as he knew he would
> be breaking international rules of engagement. 

There are no 'international rules of engagement'.  You are inventing
something that didn't, and doesn't, exist.  The commander of the Conqueror
didn't initially engage as he had to get higher permission to engage a target
outside the TEZ.

> However, he was ordered to by Thatcher.
> 

Who was so advised by the commander of the task force, Admiral Woodward, and
by the First Sea Lord, Admiral Leach.

[1] To the best of my knowlege and after discussion with several ex-naval
officers, there was no accurate definition of the TEZ anyway.  The newspaper
maps picked a convenient point in the middle of the Falkland Sound and drew a
200 mile circle from there.  If you defined the TEZ as being 200 miles from
the shores of the islands it would have covered a much larger area.

-- 
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website:  
<http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html>
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Graeme (792)
8/9/2006 4:05:21 PM
In article <4e53c40016invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk>,
   Paul Vigay <invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <gemini.j3qj3400ebvp502xw.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > I'm sorry Graham but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200
> > mile exclusion zone and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the
> > time.

> > The commander of Conqueror initially wouldn't engage as he knew he
> > would be breaking international rules of engagement. However, he was
> > ordered to by Thatcher.

> Correct.

> See
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/2/newsid_2480000/2480241.stm for one account, confirming it was outside the exclusion zone.

Has anyone evr denied the Belgrano was outside the exclusion zone?
However, that report is a bit odd.  It refers to the "bombing" of the
Belgrano in one bit.  It also says the Argentinians sank HMS Shefield in
retaliation, where as they had already been attacking our ships and
continued to do so - eg the 2 landing ships.

-- 
From KT24 - in drought-ridden Surrey

Using a RISC OS5 computer

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charles7889 (2007)
8/9/2006 4:42:25 PM
Tried taking this to email to avoid damage to Druck's blood-pressure but
Ray's email address bounced

In message <gemini.j3qj3400ebvp502xw.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
          Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In message <gemini.j3othi003wr2500yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
> >           Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > 
> > > The sinking of the Belgrano - an Argentinian ship which was fleeing -
> > > was also unforgiveable.
> > > 
> > 
> > Ray please, not that old canard. It's totally untrue.  The ship wasn't
> > 'fleeing',  was in a war zone, belonged to a belligerent nation and was
> > part of a projected coordinated attack on the task force.  
> 
> I'm sorry Graham but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200 mile
> exclusion zone and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the time.

Wrong I'm afraid.  The TEZ merely defined the limits where commanders had a
free hand in attacking enemy vessels[1].  At the time of the sinking the
Belgrano was actually sailing roughly parallel to the southern edge of the
Falklands.  As has been pointed out by many less biased observers, her actual
course at the time was immaterial, she was still only a few hours sailing
from a position where she would be able to launch her exocet missiles at the
task force.  Furthermore at the point that Admiral Woodward signalled London
for permission to engage, the Belgrano was still on a westerly course.

The fuss was all started because Thatcher didn't understand this point either
and tried to bluster when she didn't understand a question that was put to
her.

> 
> The commander of Conqueror initially wouldn't engage as he knew he would
> be breaking international rules of engagement. 

There are no 'international rules of engagement'.  You are inventing
something that didn't, and doesn't, exist.  The commander of the Conqueror
didn't initially engage as he had to get higher permission to engage a target
outside the TEZ. If the shadowing ship had been a surface ship, rather than a
submarine[2], Woodward could have given permission to engage on his own
authority and doubtless would have done, after all he was the target of the
Belgrano.

> However, he was ordered to by Thatcher.
> 

Who was so advised by the commander of the task force, Admiral Woodward, and
by Admiral Lewin in London.

[1] To the best of my knowlege and after discussion with several ex-naval
officers, there was no accurate definition of the TEZ anyway.  The newspaper
maps picked a convenient point in the middle of the Falkland Sound and drew a
200 mile circle from there.  If you defined the TEZ as being 200 miles from
the shores of the islands it would have covered a much larger area.

[2] Retention of command of nuclear submarines by London was a hangover from
the cold war and wouldn't have applied to diesel boats.  However, as far as I
know, no diesel boats were deployed to the South Atlantic.

-- 
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website:  
<http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html>

-- 
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website:  
<http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html>
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Graeme (792)
8/9/2006 4:46:26 PM
In message <4e53c40016invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk>
          Paul Vigay <invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <gemini.j3qj3400ebvp502xw.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > I'm sorry Graham but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200
> > mile exclusion zone and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the
> > time.
> 
> > The commander of Conqueror initially wouldn't engage as he knew he would
> > be breaking international rules of engagement. However, he was ordered to
> > by Thatcher.
> 
> Correct.
> 
> See
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/2/newsid_2480000/2480241.stm for one account, confirming it was outside the exclusion zone.
> 

If you bother to read the article properly, it doesn't actually say that.

-- 
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website:  
<http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html>
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Graeme (792)
8/9/2006 4:58:25 PM
In message <4e53c7d673charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>
          charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <4e53c40016invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk>,
>    Paul Vigay <invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <gemini.j3qj3400ebvp502xw.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
> >    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > > I'm sorry Graham but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200
> > > mile exclusion zone and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the
> > > time.
> 
> > > The commander of Conqueror initially wouldn't engage as he knew he
> > > would be breaking international rules of engagement. However, he was
> > > ordered to by Thatcher.
> 
> > Correct.
> 
> > See
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/2/newsid_2480000/2480241.stm for one account, confirming it was outside the exclusion zone.
> 
> Has anyone evr denied the Belgrano was outside the exclusion zone?
> However, that report is a bit odd.  It refers to the "bombing" of the
> Belgrano in one bit.  It also says the Argentinians sank HMS Shefield in
> retaliation, where as they had already been attacking our ships and
> continued to do so - eg the 2 landing ships.
> 

To get the chronology right, the Sheffield was the first British ship
attacked by the Argentines and that was after the sinking of the Belgrano. 


-- 
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website:  
<http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html>
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Graeme (792)
8/9/2006 5:00:46 PM
Graeme Wall wrote:
> Tried taking this to email to avoid damage to Druck's blood-pressure but
> Ray's email address bounced

That doesn't excuse you continuing to post it here.  Take it to zfc
or something.

[snip nonsense]


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peter4500 (2516)
8/9/2006 5:01:01 PM
On 9 Aug 2006  Peter Naulls <peter@chocky.org> wrote:

> Graeme Wall wrote:
>> Tried taking this to email to avoid damage to Druck's blood-pressure but
>> Ray's email address bounced
> 
> That doesn't excuse you continuing to post it here.  Take it to zfc
> or something.
> 
> [snip nonsense]

They aren't listening. This is the fourth attempt to try to make them 
desist. <sigh>.

With best wishes,

Peter.

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pnyoung1 (1656)
8/9/2006 5:21:07 PM
In article <9384c9534e%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk>,
   Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:


> To get the chronology right, the Sheffield was the first British ship
> attacked by the Argentines and that was after the sinking of the
> Belgrano. 

what about the ships in Falkland Sound?  I thought the attacks on them
happened first.       Not necessarily successfully, though.

-- 
From KT24 - in drought-ridden Surrey

Using a RISC OS5 computer

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charles7889 (2007)
8/9/2006 5:39:11 PM
In message <gemini.j3qj3400ebvp502xw.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
          Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:


> I'm sorry Graham but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200 mile
> exclusion zone and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the time.
> 
> The commander of Conqueror initially wouldn't engage as he knew he would
> be breaking international rules of engagement. However, he was ordered to
> by Thatcher.
> 
> Ray D


As an ex member of the Armed forces, It is installed in you that you DO NOT 
have to Obey an order if you believe it to unlawful under international laws,
Queens Reg's (the armed forces law book) or the Geneva 
Convention.


-- 
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         Risc PC, RISC OS Adjust, 236.2 MHz Strong ARM, 3 Slice, 64+2Meg, 
         40 Gig IDE + 40 Gig IDE, 48 Sony CD RW, 52 Speed CD 
     ====================================================================
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Nick7354 (42)
8/9/2006 5:58:49 PM
In message <dad4ce534e.nickgill@harrysrock.freeserve.co.uk>
          Nick Gill <Nick@noSpam.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <gemini.j3qj3400ebvp502xw.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
>           Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
>> I'm sorry Graham but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200 mile
>> exclusion zone and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the time.
>> 
>> The commander of Conqueror initially wouldn't engage as he knew he would
>> be breaking international rules of engagement. However, he was ordered to
>> by Thatcher.
>> 
>> Ray D
> 
> 
> As an ex member of the Armed forces, It is installed in you that you DO NOT
> have to Obey an order if you believe it to unlawful under international laws,
> Queens Reg's (the armed forces law book) or the Geneva
> Convention.
> 
Pity it's only our side that seems to know about the Geneva convention 
- at least in those days when our peolpe were attacked we had a leader 
who was willing to defend them - wouldn't happen now - and probably 
never again mores the pity.

-- 
JayCee
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jaygcee (217)
8/9/2006 6:23:15 PM
In article <a471c4534e%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk>,
   Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]

> The fuss was all started because Thatcher didn't understand this point
> either and tried to bluster when she didn't understand a question that
> was put to her.

I think she understood the situation very well. In fact the Peruvian
government had just brokered a peace agreement between Britain and
Argentina, but on the day the ambassadors of both countries were due to
sign it, an order was sent to a British submarine to sink the Belgrano.
There is much evidence to suggest that Thatcher wanted to continue the war,
regardless of the willingness of the Argentinians to compromise.

The same documents also disclose how the Thatcher government was arming the
Argentinian junta.

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invalid51 (164)
8/9/2006 7:40:23 PM
On the 8 Aug 2006, Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>

> The sinking of the Belgrano - an Argentinian ship which was fleeing - was
> also unforgiveable.

Bollocks. The Argentine Government were warned that, in addition to 
the Total Exclusion Zone around the Falklands, any of their forces 
found to be operating out of Argentine territorial waters would be 
liable to attack. The direction their naval units were heading at the 
time Belgrano was sunk is irrelevant as they were undoubtedly inside 
the declared war zone.

A senior Argentine naval officer later said that if the positions had 
been reversed he would've given the exact same order.

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NOSPAM5589 (512)
8/9/2006 7:53:13 PM
In article <4e53d82178invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk>,
   Paul Vigay <invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <a471c4534e%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk>,
>    Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> [Snip]

> > The fuss was all started because Thatcher didn't understand this point
> > either and tried to bluster when she didn't understand a question that
> > was put to her.

> I think she understood the situation very well. In fact the Peruvian
> government had just brokered a peace agreement between Britain and
> Argentina, but on the day the ambassadors of both countries were due to
> sign it, an order was sent to a British submarine to sink the Belgrano.

which, just by chance happened to be within range. A likely tale.

> The same documents also disclose how the Thatcher government was arming
> the Argentinian junta.

and English cobblers provided boots for Napoleon's armies.  We are a
"nation of shopkeepers"/

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Using a RISC OS5 computer

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charles7889 (2007)
8/9/2006 8:22:58 PM
In article <4e53cd08c4charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
   charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <9384c9534e%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk>,
>    Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:


> > To get the chronology right, the Sheffield was the first British ship
> > attacked by the Argentines and that was after the sinking of the
> > Belgrano. 

> what about the ships in Falkland Sound?  I thought the attacks on them
> happened first.       Not necessarily successfully, though.

Your memory is at fault, the Belgrano was sunk by a British submarine that
had been operating in the area of the Falklands before the main fleet was
much past Ascension Island and was providing a lead cover for the fleet.

The sinking caused the Argentinian Naval top brass to put all vessels into
port and leave them there for the duration.
The Argentinian Air Force did the bombing but could only do so on the
absolute limit of their flight range and only when the British vessels
arrived in the area (some time after the sinking of the Belgrano)

0
8/9/2006 8:39:25 PM
In article <4e53dc0798charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
<charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4e53d82178invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk>, Paul Vigay
>    <invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <a471c4534e%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk>, Graeme Wall
> > <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: [Snip]

> > > The fuss was all started because Thatcher didn't understand this
> > > point either and tried to bluster when she didn't understand a
> > > question that was put to her.

> > I think she understood the situation very well. In fact the Peruvian
> > government had just brokered a peace agreement between Britain and
> > Argentina, but on the day the ambassadors of both countries were due
> > to sign it, an order was sent to a British submarine to sink the
> > Belgrano.

> which, just by chance happened to be within range. A likely tale.

Just happened? The submarine had been playing cat and mouse with the
Belgrano for quite a while.
The only real "chance" was the direction the Belgrano was sailing when the
torpedo hit.

0
8/9/2006 8:42:21 PM
In message <4e53cd08c4charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>
          charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <9384c9534e%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk>,
>    Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> > To get the chronology right, the Sheffield was the first British ship
> > attacked by the Argentines and that was after the sinking of the
> > Belgrano. 
> 
> what about the ships in Falkland Sound?  I thought the attacks on them
> happened first.       Not necessarily successfully, though.
> 

That was later, once the invasion started taking place, the attacks on the
Belgrano and Sheffield were in the initial stages of the war when we were
interdicting the Argentine ability to resupply their garrison.  The first
naval casualty was the Argentine submarine San Luis, disabled and captured at
South Georgia.

-- 
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website:  
<http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html>
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Graeme (792)
8/9/2006 9:24:44 PM
In message <4e53dd891fsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>
          Steven Pampling <steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> In article <4e53cd08c4charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
>    charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <9384c9534e%Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk>,
>>    Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
>> > To get the chronology right, the Sheffield was the first British ship
>> > attacked by the Argentines and that was after the sinking of the
>> > Belgrano.
> 
>> what about the ships in Falkland Sound?  I thought the attacks on them
>> happened first.       Not necessarily successfully, though.
> 
> Your memory is at fault, the Belgrano was sunk by a British submarine that
> had been operating in the area of the Falklands before the main fleet was
> much past Ascension Island and was providing a lead cover for the fleet.
> 
> The sinking caused the Argentinian Naval top brass to put all vessels into
> port and leave them there for the duration.
> The Argentinian Air Force did the bombing but could only do so on the
> absolute limit of their flight range and only when the British vessels
> arrived in the area (some time after the sinking of the Belgrano)
>
Steve Pampling:

I know that this whole thread is off topic and rather pointless 
really, since no opinions will be changed. I had, however, taken the 
trouble to write a modest comment on your posting. Nothing of real 
significance but requiring a modicum of effort. When I tried to post 
it I hadn't noticed that you had set follow ups to 127.0.0.1 
effectively short circuiting any replies. Do you really want to be 
considered a twerp?


Arthur

-- 
                                                  Arthur Quinn
real-email arthur at bellacat dot com
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arthur2058 (277)
8/9/2006 11:23:47 PM
On 10 Aug 2006, arthur@invalid.co.uk.invalid wrote:
> In message <4e53dd891fsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>
>           Steven Pampling <steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

[...]

> I know that this whole thread is off topic and rather pointless
> really, since no opinions will be changed. I had, however, taken
> the trouble to write a modest comment on your posting. Nothing
> of real significance but requiring a modicum of effort. When I
> tried to post it I hadn't noticed that you had set follow ups to
> 127.0.0.1 effectively short circuiting any replies. Do you
> really want to be considered a twerp?

I think it's more likely that he wanted to make a very valid point
to anyone attempting to reply to his post: That this discussion is
off-topic, and has been from the start, so it should end. Now. Not
when you (generic) have added your comments... or the next person
after you... or the next one after them... (wash, rinse, repeat)
but here and now.

As such, I agree with him. The only thing I disagree with was that
- at face value - he added to the off-topic discussion himself in
the process. But, perhaps...

The most annoying thing about it is people who know that it is
off-topic and pointless, but carry on regardless - which the first
few lines above suggest *would* have been the case for you, but
Steve's efforts have effectively curtailed that, and instead
you've commented on what he did rather than what he said.

....his method was a clever way of getting the point across.

-- 
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spam5752 (1717)
8/10/2006 7:21:00 AM
In message <1155050259.185071.106670@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
          gal.izzy@gmail.com wrote:

> Ray,
> 
> I wish you study the matter better before blaming Israel. During the
> second WW GB was under the V1, then the V2 missiles for a very long
> period, many citizens were killed. Then GB bombed civilians in Berlin.
> 

Your history is very dodgy - the bombing of cities by both sides
started in 1940 - several years before the V weapons. There was
an ex Israeli Prime Minister making a fool of hiself trying that
line on UK TV last week.

> Today - 2 million (out of about 5 million Israeli citizens -
> Israeli and Arabs) live under DAILY missiles attacks that are aimed to
> kill civilians in Israel.
> 

So give them thier land back and stop treating them like scum. 

> The Hezbollah people are using the civilians as a shield. IDF always
> notify the civil population before air or ground attacks.

And bomb the roads to stop them getting away - nice!

> 
> Israel is trying to target these people, who intestinally want to kill
> as many Jews as possible, and declare for the last 10 year that they
> will not rest until Israel will "Disappear".  We have nothing
> against Lebanon - we just want to live our life.

I'd imagine the Lebanese feel exactly the same.

> 
> Did you know that after Israel left all the occupied territories in
> Gaza, the Israeli towns that are located up to 20 kilometers from Gaza
> are bombed DAILY by Kassam missiles that are sent from Gaza?
> 
> We are having a lot of casualties just because we try to find the
> actual terrorist and we try to avoid casualties among civilians.
> 

Hang on! Just remind us where Israel came from - Israeli terrorists
killed a whole load of Britsh troops and civilians. And they were
proud of it! Or have you conveneintly forgotten that?

> Ray, read some history books. Try to find an army that under a war
> condition sent a commando group to an apartment inside a city to kill
> the 3 people that were responsible to send a 150 Kilograms bomb missile
> on a city in order to kill civilians, instead of bombing the whole
> building. The IDF did it a week ago.
> 

And killed 37 children...... so that makes it ok?

> I'm sorry you digest the propaganda w/o putting some thought. I hope
> that the radical Islamic organization will not put GB in a bad
> situation in the future.

It has - there's a place called London that was bombed a while back
I seem to recall. We also had "the troubles" in Northern Ireland for
40 years - did we demolish the place, no. Because it wouldn't have
worked.

> 
> About business - we are not willing to sell to those who call us
> women and kids killers.
> 
> And, by the way - Belal is a Muslim Arab (and a good friend, and a
> good business associate).
> 
> Izzy Gal
> 
> 

Richard

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ray Dawson wrote:
> > Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > > Is this device developed for an Acorn or RISC OS machine?
> > >
> > > The unit is from an Israeli company, they apparently developed it for a
> > > printer manufacturer to go inside a printer, but a stand alone version
> > > is available. We are talking to them about importing them. I hope to
> > > have a sample in the near future.
> > >
> > To be honest Chris, if you started importing from Israel I would cease to
> > buy anything from you.
> >
> > I don't believe in supporting those who massacre innocent women and
> > children and commit other war crimes and atrocities.
> > 
> > Ray D
> 

-- 
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beamendsltd (507)
8/10/2006 8:19:07 AM
Jochen Lueg wrote:
> In article <gemini.j3qj3400ebvp502xw.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <Graeme@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> > In message <gemini.j3othi003wr2500yg.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
>> >           Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> > [snip]
>> > > 
>> > > The sinking of the Belgrano - an Argentinian ship which was fleeing -
>> > > was also unforgiveable.
>> > > 
>> > 
>> > Ray please, not that old canard. It's totally untrue.  The ship wasn't
>> > 'fleeing',  was in a war zone, belonged to a belligerent nation and was
>> > part of a projected coordinated attack on the task force.  
>
>> I'm sorry Graham but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200
>> mile exclusion zone and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the
>> time.
>
> She was a warship of the other side and could have changed course at any
> time. Warships of the other side get sunk in a war - that's what it is all
> about.

Please take this to email, it's off-topic.
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usenet5050 (306)
8/10/2006 11:03:55 AM
Paul Vigay wrote:
> In article <gemini.j3qj3400ebvp502xw.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> I'm sorry Graham but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200
>> mile exclusion zone and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the
>> time.
>
>> The commander of Conqueror initially wouldn't engage as he knew he would
>> be breaking international rules of engagement. However, he was ordered to
>> by Thatcher.
>
> Correct.

Please take this to email. It's off-topic.
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usenet5050 (306)
8/10/2006 11:04:33 AM
charles wrote:
> In article <4e53c40016invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk>,
>    Paul Vigay <invalid@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <gemini.j3qj3400ebvp502xw.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>>    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> > I'm sorry Graham but the Belgrano was well outside the UK imposed 200
>> > mile exclusion zone and was also sailing away from the Falklands at the
>> > time.
>
>> > The commander of Conqueror initially wouldn't engage as he knew he
>> > would be breaking international rules of engagement. However, he was
>> > ordered to by Thatcher.
>
>> Correct.
>
>> See
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/2/newsid_2480000/2480241.stm for one account, confirming it was outside the exclusion zone.
>
> Has anyone evr denied the Belgrano was outside the exclusion zone?
> However, that report is a bit odd.  It refers to the "bombing" of the
> Belgrano in one bit.  It also says the Argentinians sank HMS Shefield in
> retaliation, where as they had already been attacking our ships and
> continued to do so - eg the 2 landing ships.

Please take this to email, it's off-topic.
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usenet5050 (306)
8/10/2006 11:04:59 AM
On 10 Aug, arthur@invalid.co.uk.invalid wrote in message
  <3d95ec534e.arthur@aquinaudio.iyo.net>:

> I know that this whole thread is off topic [...]. When I tried to post 
> it I hadn't noticed that you had set follow ups to 127.0.0.1 
> effectively short circuiting any replies.

Indeed.  Which part of "THIS THREAD IS OFF TOPIC" do you not get?

> Do you really want to be  considered a twerp?

Take the hint: this thread is OFF TOPIC for this group.  Get over it.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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news1571 (3486)
8/10/2006 5:30:14 PM
In article <gemini.j3rtqz001eth4005w.spam@softrock.co.uk>,
   VinceH <spam@softrock.co.uk> wrote:
> On 10 Aug 2006, arthur@invalid.co.uk.invalid wrote:
> > In message <4e53dd891fsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>
> >           Steven Pampling <steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> [...]

> > I know that this whole thread is off topic and rather pointless
> > really, since no opinions will be changed. 

[snipped]

I've been subscribing to zfc,  but dutifully removed myself from that
group when needing to ask about Netsurf, since computer talk is a
taboo subject in zfc emails.

I agree therefore with those who have stated many times that this
subject ought to be continued on zfc-chat and not here. Since it's
already being discussed there anyway, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE.

Michael Harding

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mdharding (385)
8/10/2006 6:28:37 PM
In article <1155050259.185071.106670@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<URL:mailto:gal.izzy@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I wish you study the matter better before blaming Israel. During the
> second WW GB was under the V1, then the V2 missiles for a very long
> period, many citizens were killed. Then GB bombed civilians in Berlin.
> 
> Izzy Gal

Wahey, what is the above message doing in the Hardware section of c.s.a.h ???
Keep your politic stuff on another forum and talk here about your hardware
of Acorn or Risc PC or other RISC OS Computers.

Better give me a solutions on the next problems on this hardware forum :


Help Needed for reading SCSI-II drives on RiscPC with RISC OS 4.39 Select 3i4

1st i had RISC OS 3.70 installed with Cumana SCSI 2 - Media reading Perfectly 

2nd i updated to RISC OS 4.02 also with Cumana SCSI 2 - Media reading perfect

3td i updated to RISC OS 4.39 Select 3i4 - I could NOT reading my scsi media
anymore - Error window says: SCSI Filer went wrong, i press on description, it
then says : Illegal task handle, does not say WHICH task handle.

Clicked cancel, then the name under the scsi drive says the name, i have given
to it at the time i partitioned the scsi drive, clicked on menu and all text in 
it is Black, NOT greyed out and when i do a *free, it shows me the size of this
scsi drive media, which is in that scsi drive.

When i click on 2nd scsi drive which is empty it says that it's empty and that's 
correct, when i do then on the empty drive a configure mapping, it recognises 
all scsi devices, when i do in the task window *dev., it also show all devices.

Is there anyone, who knows the solution for this, because it is outragious, that
i cannot read my scsi media anymore, i cannot backup my HD's anymore.

I press on 'z' to abort softloading RISC OS 4.39, loading RISC OS 4.02, then it 
still cannot read my scsi media.

Does someone has RISC OS 4.39 Select 3 issue 4 running with Cumana SCSI-2 cards
and read those scsi drive media perfectly ? - I am using v2.09 from the software

Its very weird this matter, there adfs and idefs are working perfectly under both
RISC OS systems.


Second problem : Some dirs i cannot access anymore on RISC OS 4.39, when i switch
to RISC OS 4.02, i have no troubles at all with accessing those dirs, switch back
to RISC OS 4.39, again it cannot access those dirs anymore, they actually should
work, because all other dirs are working well - counting all files in this dir.
is working perfectly - has anyone the working solution for this here ?


Third problem : Under RISC OS 4.02 no problems with the ANT (RISC OS) Inet Suite,
under RISC OS 4.39, it says that it cannot find InetDBase:InetNews~ file, while
the real name for it is InetNews, i see no mention of the other file somewhere.
Has anyone solved this problem or do i have to go to the last version 1.32 ?


Simon






If you like Virusses, Worms, Security Flaws, CHOOSE for MICROSOFT PRODUCTS.

If you like to get rid of ALL those Virusses, choose for RISC OS 4.39 ONLY !!!


        URGENTLY WANTED VIRUS WRITERS FOR JAVASCRIPT AND EXTENSIONS

-- 
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Running BEST on FRESCO 2.13 - THE Super Fastest RISC OS Browser around atm

Running on a SA Risc PC with 258 Mb of RAM, 100x speed Kenwood CD-rom drive 
250 Gb Seagate, 120 Gb Seagate, 2.2 Gb Orb, 1.5 Gb SyJet, 2 Syquests 270 Mb
2 x FDD, Unipod Podule including USB 2, Cumana SCSI-2 Podule, 5 Case Slices

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riscos1 (83)
8/18/2006 1:37:44 AM
In message <ant180144b49zokP@riscpc.stargate>
          Simon Elzinga <riscos@datawave.nl> wrote:

> Does someone has RISC OS 4.39 Select 3 issue 4 running with Cumana
> SCSI-2 cards
> and read those scsi drive media perfectly ? - I am using v2.09 from
> the software

I have RO 4.39 and a SCSI hard drive connected to a Cumana SCSI 2 card 
(SCSIFiler v 2.08) and I have not had any problems at all since I 
upgraded to 4.39 earlier this year. I can read all the partitions on 
my drive perfectly.

Alan

-- 
RISC OS - you know it makes cents
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spamhater1 (1060)
8/18/2006 8:55:21 AM
In article <8e993f584e.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>,
Alan Wrigley <URL:mailto:spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <ant180144b49zokP@riscpc.stargate>
>           Simon Elzinga <riscos@datawave.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Does someone has RISC OS 4.39 Select 3 issue 4 running with Cumana
> > SCSI-2 cards
> > and read those scsi drive media perfectly ? - I am using v2.09 from
> > the software
> 
> I have RO 4.39 and a SCSI hard drive connected to a Cumana SCSI 2 card 
> (SCSIFiler v 2.08) and I have not had any problems at all since I 
> upgraded to 4.39 earlier this year. I can read all the partitions on 
> my drive perfectly.
> 
> Alan
> 

Hi Alan,

Hmm.....??????

Weird, mine is not working, i had no troubles with 3.70 or 3.71, upgraded to
4.02, did not working, upgraded with the latest cumana scsi software 2.09,
it reads my scsi media perfectly, no problems at all, now i have upgraded to
4.39, it will not read my scsi media anymore, what is wrong now ???

Is it the kernel or is it the changed boot sequence in 4.39 ???

If i try to read my scsi media in my first rpc with sharefs on my second rpc
then i can read that perfectly, but i will try to read it from my first rpc.

I use at this moment :
  
ScsiFiler  2.09      - 23 Oct 1999
ScsiRes    2.09      - 25 Oct 1999
ScsiFS     2.09      - 23 Oct 1999
ScsiDriver 2.08 beta -  7 May 1998

Simon

-- 
RISC OS 4.39 - The BEST Operating System on This Planet - 100 % VirusProof
Running BEST on FRESCO 2.13 - THE Super Fastest RISC OS Browser around atm

Running on a SA Risc PC with 258 Mb of RAM, 100x speed Kenwood CD-rom drive 
250 Gb Seagate, 120 Gb Seagate, 2.2 Gb Orb, 1.5 Gb SyJet, 2 Syquests 270 Mb
2 x FDD, Unipod Podule including USB 2, Cumana SCSI-2 Podule, 5 Case Slices

0
riscos1 (83)
9/4/2006 7:15:32 PM
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I have purchased a new laptop which does not have a parallel printer port. Can I connect my old parallel scanner to the usb port via a usb/parallel cable converter? I have purchased on in the hope that I could do this but it appears that there is no suitable cable for scanners? Is this correct? PS - I know I should go out and buy a new scanner, but I have spent so much on things I didn't really need I was trying to pull my budget back into line!!! "dmck" <dougmckean@iinet.net.au> wrote in message news:4472d5f3$0$3646$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.ne...

parallel vs. usb cable printer connection
I have a inkjet printer connected by a parallel cable (printer cable) and usually upon printing the first page, there is some hesitation before the printed page processes at the printer. If I should eliminate the parallel cable and switch the printer to a usb cable, will the same thing occur? Probably not. If it's an HP inkjet, it uses your CPU to do its print processing -the lag is normal. <dbtexas@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:rohqgv0vvof1np299nm4r7jjmuko9mjdcp@4ax.com... > I have a inkjet printer connected by a parallel cable (printer cable) > and usually upon printing the first page, there is some hesitation > before the printed page processes at the printer. If I should > eliminate the parallel cable and switch the printer to a usb cable, > will the same thing occur? Didn't you mean "Yes, the lag will probably remain"? =>Roddy<= "Edward J. Neth" wrote: > Probably not. If it's an HP inkjet, it uses your CPU to do its print > processing -the lag is normal. > > > <dbtexas@earthlink.net> wrote: > > If I should eliminate the parallel cable and switch > > the printer to a usb cable, will the same thing occur? I switched my HP 880c to USB from parallel and have noticed no difference in printing behavior. "Roderick Samuels" <Roderick@JacqWeb.com> wrote in message news:W7hPa.40071$C83.3164759@newsread1.prod.it...

Laptop USB to parallel port printer conversion question.
Laptops today do not come with parallel ports but I was wondering how troublesome it would be to use some kind of converter. The printer is an HP Rx 80 multifunction printer. The parallel port printer cable is missing but I'm willing to spring for one if conversion to USB is not to pricey or complicated. What do you recommend? On 2010-11-05 23:09, ghelf wrote: > Laptops today do not come with parallel ports but I was wondering how > troublesome it would be to use some kind of converter. > The printer is an HP Rx 80 multifunction printer. The parallel port > printer cable is missing but I'm willing to spring for one if > conversion to USB is not to pricey or complicated. > What do you recommend? I don't know the brand, but I have a USB to Centronics cable working beautifully with my HP LJ-6. Got it MicroCenter. Carl In news:ib2ht3$s00$1@news.eternal-september.org, Carl Kaufmann typed on Fri, 05 Nov 2010 23:25:40 -0400: > On 2010-11-05 23:09, ghelf wrote: >> Laptops today do not come with parallel ports but I was wondering how >> troublesome it would be to use some kind of converter. >> The printer is an HP Rx 80 multifunction printer. The parallel port >> printer cable is missing but I'm willing to spring for one if >> conversion to USB is not to pricey or complicated. >> What do you recommend? > > I don't know the brand, but I have a USB to Centronics cable working > beautifully w...

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Connecting a USB printer to a laptop's serial port
Is it possible to connect a USB printer to a laptop via the serial port using a serial/usb adapter? Most adapters I've seen are serial /usb not usb/ serial. I don't think you can go the other way. Terry "Tom" <thall91739@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1df688cb.0310171132.544eecf9@posting.google.com... > Is it possible to connect a USB printer to a laptop via the serial > port using a serial/usb adapter? As far as I know there is no adapter to convert a serial port to USB. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Tom"...

Possibility to connect parallel port (HP T45) with USB printerserver
Hello, I use a HP T45 All-in-one printer with a parallel port. Is there possibility to connect this printer with a parallel-to-usb adapter to a USB printserver ? Has anybody any experience with this ? Thanks in advance Regards Bernd ...

Connecting a USB printer to an old laptop via the serial port
Is it possible to connect a USB printer to a computer's serial port using a USB/serial adapter? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1 66835&Sku=B133-1012&SRCCODE=SHOPPINGDF "Tom" <thall91739@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1df688cb.0310171128.14cdc780@posting.google.com... > Is it possible to connect a USB printer to a computer's serial port > using a USB/serial adapter? Whereas On 17 Oct 2003 12:28:41 -0700, thall91739@yahoo.com (Tom) scribbled: , I thus relpy: >Is it possible to connect a USB printer to a computer's serial port >using a USB/serial adapter? No. USB is too complex to replicate from the legacy ports. You might be able to get a USB PC-card adaptor, if you have Win98. -- Gary J. Tait . Email is at yahoo.com ; ID:classicsat Whereas On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:36:59 +0100, "Clanger" <D231@mygoatfseltd.freeserve.co.uk> scribbled: , I thus relpy: >http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1 >66835&Sku=B133-1012&SRCCODE=SHOPPINGDF > > The OP wants the other way round, which is impossible. > >"Tom" <thall91739@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1df688cb.0310171128.14cdc780@posting.google.com... >> Is it possible to connect a USB printer to a computer's serial port >> using a USB/serial adapter? > -- Gary J. Tait . Em...

Any hardware board available supporting USB hub, serial,parallel,ethernet,audio ports?
Hello, I am looking for a hardware board consisting of - 5 or more USB ports (acting like USB hub) - 1*Serial port [9-pin D-Sub] - 1*Parallel port [25-pin D-Sub] - 1*6-pin PS/2 Keyboard - 1*6-pin PS/2 Mouse - 1*10/100Base Ethernet LAN port [RJ-45] - 1*Mono Audio In [3.5mm for microphone] - 1*Stereo Audio Out [3.5mm for headphone or speakers] Is there any readymade "board" available in market (at least with most of the above mentioned ports)? Thanks S45 wrote: > Hello, > I am looking for a hardware board consisting of > - 5 or more USB ports (acting like USB hub) > ...

new laptop with parallel port for a parallel dot matrix printer?
Hi, I have to help a friend of mine to move from an old desktop (with win95 and a legacy program that have to print multiple-copy chemical forms with condensed ascii cha on an old dot-matrix 136-columns Brothers printer) to a new laptop (he doesn't want to buy an used one). The legacy program works in any environment from DOS to winXP - the only issue is that it pretend to access the printer on LPT1. Implementing the trick of the usb-to-centronic adapter and automapping the shared printer as LPT1 worked for simple instraction like dir > LPT1 but result in error when I tried to access it with the legacy program (I tested it on my own laptop). I found out that HP still sells NC6320 with the parallel port. The pre-sale assistant that I called from one side confirmed me that the system is certified even with freedos, but on the other side could not guarantee me that the printer will be accessible as LPT1 (even though I think there will be no issue in that) my questions are: 1) that system is quite expensive... and for more than 1100 euros is shipped only with a shared-memory intel graphic 950 chipset is there any cheap alternative 2) the obsolete legacy program can also print to file. Could be more easy to write my own "printer driver" that could detect print-to-file document and send them to the printer after instructing it to use condensed ascii chars? 3) Can a docking station for a parallelport-less laptop provide LPT1 facility to the old program?...

USB Port on HP PhotoSmart 8450 printer... Only USB 1.1?
Hello. I have a HP PhotoSmart 8450 printer. I used its USB port, on the bottom left of the printer, to connect USB 2.0 Flash Sticks/Drives/... It seems to access files very slow. It feels like USB 1.1 speed. Does anyone know if this is supposed to be 2.0 speed? Is there a way to check? I was not able to find this information in my printer manual and on HP's Web site. I tried disconnecting the printer from the computer motherboard's USB port WITH its 2'(?) USB extension cord (printer is on my bookshelf and not close enough to the computer) and connecting the same USB s...

Parallel Port interface
Hi Cananyone help with this I got a usb to parallel port lead but i cant send data to the pins using the normal methods, can any one suggest how to access . Thanks Roger wrote: > I got a usb to parallel port lead but i cant send data to the pins using the > normal methods, can any one suggest how to access . What operating system on the PC? (I assume you mean you have a PC.) Do you have an appropriate driver loaded? If you're using Linux, you may need to load a kernel module suited to the chipset of the adapter. I guess that Windows drivers would hav...

interface for printer-port
Hi! I want to build an inteface that I can programme by smalltalk. The problem is I can�t find a Class that I can use for. Who can help? many thanks Stuff I'm no help to you but this is the same problem I have been trying to solve. I have resorted to using DOS, batch files and a little C code with a smidgeon of basic. Newsey "Stefan G." <punkundercover@gmx.de> wrote in message news:f27644dc.0311221524.16cd01d5@posting.google.com... > Hi! > > I want to build an inteface that I can programme by smalltalk. > The problem...

USB or Parallel Connection
I bought a HP 6122. It has provision for either USB or parallel connectivity. I would like to conserve one of my two USB connectors (at my computer) for other purposes. Is there any disadvantage to using the parallel connector instead of the USB connector? -- Walter The Happy Iconoclast www.rationality.net - >I bought a HP 6122. It has provision for either USB or parallel connectivity. >....[snip].... >Is there any disadvantage to using the parallel connector instead of the USB >connector? I don't KNOW, but I've heard the parallel path actually prints faster than the USB path. --Myron. -- Five boxes preserve our freedoms: soap, ballot, witness, jury, and cartridge PhD EE (retired). "Barbershop" tenor. CDL(PTXS). W0PBV. (785) 539-4448 NRA Life Member and Certified Instructor (Home Firearm Safety, Rifle, Pistol) "Walter R." <wer25@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:JpUYb.10814$jf.6224@twister.socal.rr.com... > I bought a HP 6122. It has provision for either USB or parallel > connectivity. > > I would like to conserve one of my two USB connectors (at my computer) for > other purposes. > > Is there any disadvantage to using the parallel connector instead of the USB > connector? > Max cable length is the disadvantage for parallel, and you can't hot-swap as you can with USB. Further, I believe you only have 3 LPT ports supported in most Windows s...

USB to Parallel Port?
I just recently purchased a HP laserjet 1012 for a client, and did not pay attention to the fact that the printer comes with USB connectivity only...that would be fine, but the client uses NT4, and NT4 does not support USB..so I was wondering if anyone knows of an adapter which plugs a usb cable into a parallel port slot adapter? or of any other options or solutions? I appreciate your help. Archi3 archi3@spamthisARCHIVENTURE.NET Archi3 wrote: > I just recently purchased a HP laserjet 1012 for a client, and did not pay > attention to the fact that the printer comes with USB connectivity > only...that would be fine, but the client uses NT4, and NT4 does not support > USB..so I was wondering if anyone knows of an adapter which plugs a usb > cable into a parallel port slot adapter? or of any other options or > solutions? I appreciate your help. There are adapters that will allow you to connect a parallel port printer into a USB port, but not vice-versa. -WD On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:36:29 GMT, Will Dormann <wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: >Archi3 wrote: > >> I just recently purchased a HP laserjet 1012 for a client, and did not pay >> attention to the fact that the printer comes with USB connectivity >> only...that would be fine, but the client uses NT4, and NT4 does not support >> USB..so I was wondering if anyone knows of an adapter which plugs a usb >> cable into a parallel...

parallel port interfacing
hello, i want to know about books form where i can read a lot of parallel port interfacing. i m doing a project on the same and i m trying to produce waveforms on pc monitor like sine,square etc, i m using turbo basic for that. ...

Parallel ports and printers
Hi. I'm going to upgrade my notebook soon from one with a parallel port to (likely) one without a parallel port. Here's what I'd like to find out; if anyone has experience with it. I print wirelessly to my printers: | notebook | >> | wireless access point | >> | print server, connected w/cat-5 to the above WAP | >> | my three printer(s), connected via parallel cables to the print server | Two of my three printers are parallel port (only) printers. The way I make the above setup work is to simply install their drivers while physically connected via parallel cable first. Then, I can use the print server (over WiFi) to connect to them wirelessly. But if my next notebook doesn't have a parallel port, can I even install the printers' drivers first? My guess is that without the actual parallel port on the notebook, Windows won't let the driver talk to the printer any other way. So, it sounds like a stupid question, but will Windows XP let me install a printer's driver (a printer that uses a parallel port connection) without physically having a parallel port? Anyone have any guidance here? Thanks. Fr@nk My laptop sends to my printer on the home network via wireless. When you install the printer driver pick the printer on the network and all should be ok. -- Don Vancouver, USA "Fr@nk" <Fr@nkATwizardDOT.net> wrote in message news:nI8Ne.20738$Ie.18887@lakeread03... > Hi. I'm going to upgrade my noteb...

interfacing parallel port
undefined On Thursday, July 6, 2006 2:39:49 PM UTC+5:30, Mazen El Aasser wrote: > undefined can someone please help me out in writing a MATLAB code for interfacing par= allel port of PC. th coding will be to check the control register 037a and= check if its direction pin is high. if no, then configure it in the EPP mo= de and check gain or else open files corresponding to each 8 input channels= .. ...

Interfacing the parallel port
I'm working on a project that requires the outputting of data via the parallel port. Basically I want to set certain lines high and low with ruby. However, I can't seem to find any example where ruby is used to communicate with the parallel port. This project is for a windows machine. In the past I've successfully managed to communicate with the port using inpout32.dll and VB6. Inpout32.dll would come in handy again, but I don't know how to add a dll file to a ruby script. Any help would be appreciated! Thx! -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > Any help would be a...

Interfacing the printer port
Hi all, My client has a device that prints to an Epson LX300+II printer. It is not a computer, but an electronic measuring device. I need to capture the data coming from the device. The device output to the printer is using 11 wires, they are D0 to D7, GND, Busy and Strobe, going into a regular centronics type connector into the printer. I have mapped all pins to their identical on the PC. I was initially thinking a crossover like laplink, but realised that laplink uses 4 data bits rather than 8, so was not suitable. I am writing in C# and using inpout32.dll on Windows...

problem with LPT Device (none printing) on virtual usb parallel port via port replicator
I just recently bought a laptop and it came without a LPT port so I got a USB replicator dock (it includes serial, parralel, etc.). However, it was designed to only allow for printers to connect to it and then in the printing software I would have to select a USB virtual port for the printer. I have other applications (old special CCD Camera) and devices that I want to connect to the parrallel port but the applications do not have the option to connect via Virtual USB port, only LPT1,LPT2,LPT3 or port addresses. So basically my question is: is there any application that will allow me to ...

i have wireless phone with serial port ,connected to USB port of computer.How can I read data from phone?
I want to read text data from a wirless phone having 9 pin serial port connecter,other end is connected with USB port of computer for internet connectivity.I have LabVIEW 8.2 and want to read text messages from phone set.How&nbsp; can I use device address string in VISA Resource Name Control? That really isn't enough information to go on.:smileysurprised:&nbsp; First you'll have to figure out how the device shows up in your PC.&nbsp; When you connect the cable, does it show up as a COM port or something else.&nbsp; Look in Windows Device Manager. &nbsp; Once you figure out how it connects, you will have to look at what kind of command set the phone uses.&nbsp; Does the phone provide an advanced manual or communications manual that lists the commands? Thanks for reply When the device is connected to the computer USB port the following devices are displayed in Windows device manager a.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Multi Port Serial Adapter b.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TIUMP USB Serial Port (COM3) &nbsp; In properties their details are, a.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Multi Port Serial Adapter &nbsp; Device type &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Multi Port Seri...

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