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Laptop

I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be installed 
in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with me on hols. I 
don't want VRPC.

Dave.


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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:51:24 +0100
Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> wrote:

> I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be
> installed in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with me
> on hols. I don't want VRPC.

Sure.  Just find somebody willing to sell your 20 laptop cases for each
of the RISC OS people left who'd buy a native laptop, then find somebody
willing to design and build 20 PCBs to go in it, and then hope that
your 20 customers will be willing to pay 2 grand for one.

B.

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nntp550 (4244)
9/11/2008 5:07:41 PM
In article <20080911180741.104e879e@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>,
   Rob Kendrick <nntp@rjek.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:51:24 +0100
> Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> wrote:

> > I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be
> > installed in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with me
> > on hols. I don't want VRPC.

> Sure.  Just find somebody willing to sell your 20 laptop cases for each
> of the RISC OS people left who'd buy a native laptop, then find somebody
> willing to design and build 20 PCBs to go in it, and then hope that
> your 20 customers will be willing to pay 2 grand for one.


as cheap as that?

-- 
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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 

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charles7889 (2007)
9/11/2008 5:17:32 PM
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:17:32 +0100
charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <20080911180741.104e879e@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>,
>    Rob Kendrick <nntp@rjek.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:51:24 +0100
> > Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> > > I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be
> > > installed in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with
> > > me on hols. I don't want VRPC.
> 
> > Sure.  Just find somebody willing to sell your 20 laptop cases for
> > each of the RISC OS people left who'd buy a native laptop, then
> > find somebody willing to design and build 20 PCBs to go in it, and
> > then hope that your 20 customers will be willing to pay 2 grand for
> > one.
>
> as cheap as that?

Assuming the person designing and building it is willing to not make a
profit, provide no packaging or documentation, no support, no
warranty, etc, yes.

B.

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nntp550 (4244)
9/11/2008 5:28:56 PM
In article <d0503bdd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>,
   Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> wrote:
> I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be installed 
> in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with me on hols. I 
> don't want VRPC.

> Dave.

Any particular reason why you don't want VRPC on a Laptop?

I have VRPC AdjustSA installed on my Laptop, and aside from the fact it's
a bit power hungry, it works a treat.
Particularly coupled with UniPrint, which means I can click up a URL in
VRPC and have is working in Firefox.
Dave S

-- 

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dave128 (1212)
9/11/2008 6:54:16 PM
On 11 Sep 2008 Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> wrote:

> I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be installed
> in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with me on hols. I
> don't want VRPC.

No. For portability get an A9 and a small LCD monitor.

---druck

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news5843 (7461)
9/11/2008 9:46:39 PM
In message <b75856dd4f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>
          druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:

> On 11 Sep 2008 Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be installed
>> in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with me on hols. I
>> don't want VRPC.

snip. all answers.

I'll take that as a no then :-(

Dave

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mail7935 (573)
9/11/2008 10:13:37 PM
In a dim and distant universe
<efd058dd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>,
   Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> enlightened us thusly:

> I'll take that as a no then :-(

There are a number of people who have managed to fit a Risc PC into a
smallish laptop type enclosure, with battery and monitor to make a
'luggable Risc PC'.

Paul

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9/12/2008 6:54:26 AM
In article <d0503bdd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>,
   Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> wrote:
> I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be installed 
> in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with me on hols. I 
> don't want VRPC.

Have you looked inside your RPC?

-- 
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    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
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dave137 (3026)
9/12/2008 7:19:37 AM
In article <4fdd887f67invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk>,
   Paul Vigay <invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> In a dim and distant universe
> <efd058dd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>,
>    Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> enlightened us thusly:

> > I'll take that as a no then :-(

> There are a number of people who have managed to fit a Risc PC into a
> smallish laptop type enclosure, with battery and monitor to make a
> 'luggable Risc PC'.

Might have been worth the effort 10 years ago, but now? And I'd imagine
finding a suitable PS to run off a battery wouldn't be easy or cheap.

> Paul

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    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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dave137 (3026)
9/12/2008 7:24:08 AM
Paul Vigay <invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:

> In a dim and distant universe
> <efd058dd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>,
>    Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> enlightened us thusly:
> 
> > I'll take that as a no then :-(
> 
> There are a number of people who have managed to fit a Risc PC into a
> smallish laptop type enclosure, with battery and monitor to make a
> 'luggable Risc PC'.

How did they manage to provide the several supply rails necessary from one
battery? Inverter?

Cheers,

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
9/12/2008 9:25:37 AM
In article <gemini.k72suo001fgxv01p0.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
   Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Paul Vigay <invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:

> > In a dim and distant universe
> > <efd058dd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>,
> >    Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> enlightened us thusly:
> > 
> > > I'll take that as a no then :-(
> > 
> > There are a number of people who have managed to fit a Risc PC into a
> > smallish laptop type enclosure, with battery and monitor to make a
> > 'luggable Risc PC'.

> How did they manage to provide the several supply rails necessary from
> one battery? Inverter?

Indeed - and then you've got the problem of finding a VGA monitor that
runs off batteries. A RPC has no provision for composite out.

-- 
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    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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dave137 (3026)
9/12/2008 9:50:28 AM
In article <4fdd989d69dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
<URL:mailto:dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <gemini.k72suo001fgxv01p0.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>,
>    Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > Paul Vigay <invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > In a dim and distant universe
> > > <efd058dd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>,
> > >    Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> enlightened us thusly:
> > > 
> > > > I'll take that as a no then :-(
> > > 
> > > There are a number of people who have managed to fit a Risc PC into a
> > > smallish laptop type enclosure, with battery and monitor to make a
> > > 'luggable Risc PC'.
> 
> > How did they manage to provide the several supply rails necessary from
> > one battery? Inverter?
> 
> Indeed - and then you've got the problem of finding a VGA monitor that
> runs off batteries. A RPC has no provision for composite out.

I'm not sure about the RiscPC but according to the A5000 and A3010 Welcome
Guides (So presumably A3020 & A4000 as well) they can output 1V Composite
Video by using 'Cable Type F' in fact we have some in stock:-)

As the RiscPC can output TV type modes e.g. MODES 0 to 17 then I suspect the
RiscPC could also use such an adaptor!

Chris Evans

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chris8168 (2937)
9/12/2008 10:41:26 AM
Dave wrote:
> I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be installed 
> in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with me on hols. I 
> don't want VRPC.

http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact2162.html

That is about the closest you'll get.

The insides of a RPC won't fit in a laptop case. I guess you could buy 
a flight case and an LCD monitor and stick the RPC and monitor in the 
suitcase. Wouldn't run on batteries but it would be vaguely portable. 
If you really wanted, you could take all the insides of the RPC out and 
put them directly in the flight case to save a little bit of space.

I'd install VRPC if it was me.
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usenet5050 (306)
9/12/2008 10:50:52 AM
In article <ant121026fc4pErr@client.cjemicros.co.uk>,
   Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
> > Indeed - and then you've got the problem of finding a VGA monitor that
> > runs off batteries. A RPC has no provision for composite out.

> I'm not sure about the RiscPC but according to the A5000 and A3010
> Welcome Guides (So presumably A3020 & A4000 as well) they can output 1V
> Composite Video by using 'Cable Type F' in fact we have some in stock:-)

> As the RiscPC can output TV type modes e.g. MODES 0 to 17 then I suspect
> the RiscPC could also use such an adaptor!

It may well if you don't mind monochrome. No colour burst. ;-)

Might make more sense to try cable E which is 15 pin to SCART if you have
a monitor which accepts RGB - you might be lucky and fine it works on
better than TV modes.

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dave137 (3026)
9/12/2008 12:20:17 PM
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Indeed - and then you've got the problem of finding a VGA monitor that
> runs off batteries. A RPC has no provision for composite out.

There are converters out there that convert nearly any VGA-type
signal into Composite and S-Video. I have a cheap and simple
one, and it works surprisingly well for resolutions up to
1024x768 on an old CRT.

Steffen

-- 
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spam9600 (698)
9/12/2008 12:51:05 PM
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:50:28 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Indeed - and then you've got the problem of finding a VGA monitor that
> runs off batteries.

Although it wouldn't surprise me if at a certain point in time PC laptops
didn't have separate circuitry for producing VGA graphics and then
'downstream' for taking a VGA input and driving the LCD - nowadays they
all seem to have custom "designed for laptops" graphics controllers, but
I'm not sure that was always the case.


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9/12/2008 12:51:56 PM
In article <6iv6tpFn7llU1@mid.individual.net>,
   Steffen Huber <spam@huber-net.de> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > Indeed - and then you've got the problem of finding a VGA monitor that
> > runs off batteries. A RPC has no provision for composite out.

> There are converters out there that convert nearly any VGA-type
> signal into Composite and S-Video. I have a cheap and simple
> one, and it works surprisingly well for resolutions up to
> 1024x768 on an old CRT.

It's becoming less of a portable and more of a circus, though. ;-) And the
battery life is going down and down.

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    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
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dave137 (3026)
9/12/2008 12:56:44 PM
In message <d0503bdd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>
          Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> wrote:

> I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be installed
> in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with me on hols. I
> don't want VRPC.

> Dave.

Anything is possible is you either have money for to pay for someone 
to turn it into a makeshift laptop or you are will to have a ago and 
do it yourself.

Regards
-- 
Paul Stewart -  Far Bletchley, Milton Keynes, England.
(msn:sa110@hotmail.com)

If the answer is wrong, you have asked an incorrect question.

Dare To Be Different.  Use RISC OS (http://www.riscos.com).
It's blue and from outta town - 
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paulstewart (757)
9/12/2008 6:11:55 PM
In message <4fdd887f67invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk>
          Paul Vigay <invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk> 
wrote:

> In a dim and distant universe
> <efd058dd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>,
>    Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> enlightened us thusly:

>> I'll take that as a no then :-(

> There are a number of people who have managed to fit a Risc PC into a
> smallish laptop type enclosure, with battery and monitor to make a
> 'luggable Risc PC'.

I maybe wrong here Paul, I don't think anyone has actually turned a 
Risc PC into a luggable that  includes a battery.  All the ones I have 
read about are all mains powered.

Regards
-- 
Paul Stewart -  Far Bletchley, Milton Keynes, England.
(msn:sa110@hotmail.com)

If the answer is wrong, you have asked an incorrect question.

Dare To Be Different.  Use RISC OS (http://www.riscos.com).
It's blue and from outta town - 
(http://www.advantage6.co.uk/A9hsplash.html).
A9home Compatibility - 
(http://www.phawfaux.co.uk/a9home/compatibility.asp).

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paulstewart (757)
9/12/2008 6:13:22 PM
In a dim and distant universe <0ca8c6dd4f.Paul@phawfaux.co.uk>,
   Paul Stewart <paulstewart@phawfaux.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
> I maybe wrong here Paul, I don't think anyone has actually turned a Risc
> PC into a luggable that  includes a battery.  All the ones I have read
> about are all mains powered.

Yes they have. You should visit the Southampton RISC OS User Group
sometime. :-)

Or read RISC OS Now, issue 8, which has an article on it.

Paul

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9/12/2008 7:36:39 PM
In message <4fddce47c9invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk>
          Paul Vigay <invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk> 
wrote:

> In a dim and distant universe <0ca8c6dd4f.Paul@phawfaux.co.uk>,
>    Paul Stewart <paulstewart@phawfaux.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>> I maybe wrong here Paul, I don't think anyone has actually turned a Risc
>> PC into a luggable that  includes a battery.  All the ones I have read
>> about are all mains powered.

> Yes they have. You should visit the Southampton RISC OS User Group
> sometime. :-)

Bit to far for me I'm afraid.  I do manage to make the ROUGOL meeting 
now and again.

> Or read RISC OS Now, issue 8, which has an article on it.

When it arrives.  I will do.

Regards
-- 
Paul Stewart -  Far Bletchley, Milton Keynes, England.
(msn:sa110@hotmail.com)

If the answer is wrong, you have asked an incorrect question.

Dare To Be Different.  Use RISC OS (http://www.riscos.com).
It's blue and from outta town - 
(http://www.advantage6.co.uk/A9hsplash.html).
A9home Compatibility - 
(http://www.phawfaux.co.uk/a9home/compatibility.asp).

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paulstewart (757)
9/12/2008 7:49:55 PM
Paul Stewart wrote:
> In message <d0503bdd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>
>           Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be installed
>> in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with me on hols. I
>> don't want VRPC.
> 
>> Dave.
> 
> Anything is possible is you either have money for to pay for someone 
> to turn it into a makeshift laptop or you are will to have a ago and 
> do it yourself.

Although, TBH, it's probably far more cost effective to simply get one
of these:

http://beagleboard.org/

....outfit it into a laptop (because it'll actually fit, unlike an RPC
motherboard), and then pay someone to port RISC OS to it.

(Spec list: 600MHz ARM Cortex A8 --- best described as 'stonkingly
awesome but not as awesome as the A9 will be' --- with a 400MHz C64x
DSP, FPU, POWERVR 3D accelerator, 1280x1024 grapics, MMC/SD/SDIO reader,
USB2, audio, boot flash, and the whole thing is about 7cm square, costs
about 80 quid and runs on 2W. Only 128MB of RAM, which isn't upgradable
without a soldering iron and microscope, alas, but if ever anyone wants
a candidate target for porting ROOL to, here it is...)

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dg (326)
9/12/2008 9:10:28 PM
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:10:28 +0100
David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:

> http://beagleboard.org/
> 
> ...outfit it into a laptop (because it'll actually fit, unlike an RPC
> motherboard), and then pay someone to port RISC OS to it.
> 
> (Spec list: 600MHz ARM Cortex A8 --- best described as 'stonkingly
> awesome but not as awesome as the A9 will be' --- with a 400MHz C64x
> DSP, FPU, POWERVR 3D accelerator, 1280x1024 grapics, MMC/SD/SDIO
> reader, USB2, audio, boot flash, and the whole thing is about 7cm
> square, costs about 80 quid and runs on 2W. Only 128MB of RAM, which
> isn't upgradable without a soldering iron and microscope, alas, but
> if ever anyone wants a candidate target for porting ROOL to, here it
> is...)

Unfortunately, the new Cortex range are only very notionally ARM, and
almost every line of assembler in RISC OS (not an insignificant amount)
will need somebody to ponder over it in order to port to it.

I very much doubt the RAM is upgradable /at all/ as it's a
package-on-package BGA-and-glued hack.

What's more likely (but of course, not going to happen), is somebody to
rework a Simtec CPU module as used in the A9 home there.

B.

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nntp550 (4244)
9/12/2008 11:49:56 PM
Rob Kendrick wrote:
[...]
> Unfortunately, the new Cortex range are only very notionally ARM, and
> almost every line of assembler in RISC OS (not an insignificant amount)
> will need somebody to ponder over it in order to port to it.

Can you expand? The specs say it's a standard ARMv7. The only
fundamental change I can see is the switch from FPA to VFP floating
point architecture, but given that nobody's made an FPA unit for about a
decade now it's going to have to be done anyway at some point. Or else
just live with emulated FPA.

> I very much doubt the RAM is upgradable /at all/ as it's a
> package-on-package BGA-and-glued hack.

Yes, I was unaware that they'd actually glued all the ICs together.
Still, at least it's physically small.

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dg (326)
9/13/2008 11:15:06 AM
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:15:06 +0100
David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:

> Can you expand? The specs say it's a standard ARMv7. The only
> fundamental change I can see is the switch from FPA to VFP floating
> point architecture, but given that nobody's made an FPA unit for
> about a decade now it's going to have to be done anyway at some
> point. Or else just live with emulated FPA.

They'd moved to the VFP long ago (in fact, the ARM ARM 2nd Edition,
published many years ago (ten or so), doesn't document the FPA10 at
all.)

ARMv7, Thumb 2, etc are essentially different instruction sets with
similar register files.  Processor vectors, entry point conditions,
instruction side effects, etc are all quite different indeed.  EABI
tries to provide some sort of compatibility between old and new at the
user-mode level, but EABI will mean changing every RISC OS program (how
to use SWI has changed so you don't pollute your data cache by reading
the instruction back out) and because of its thumb interworking and use
of BX in function post-amble, won't work on CPUs even as recent as the
StrongARM.

ARM don't actually mention most of this in their marketing material.
I suspect this is because if you're using a bought-in OS and C for all
your own stuff, you won't notice.

B.

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nntp550 (4244)
9/13/2008 11:21:33 AM
On 12 Sep 2008 "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <4fdd887f67invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk>,
>    Paul Vigay <invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
>> In a dim and distant universe
>> <efd058dd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>,
>>    Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> enlightened us thusly:

>>> I'll take that as a no then :-(

>> There are a number of people who have managed to fit a Risc PC into a
>> smallish laptop type enclosure, with battery and monitor to make a
>> 'luggable Risc PC'.

> Might have been worth the effort 10 years ago, but now? And I'd imagine
> finding a suitable PS to run off a battery wouldn't be easy or cheap.

It strikes me as utterly pointless. Why drag around half a scrapyard 
of cobbled together old junk, when you can choose from any number of
self contained fully functional laptops, which will run RISC OS under 
emulation. Anything from a 9" sub note book to a 17" desktop 
replacement is going to be far better for job, and even the 17" will 
be lighter and more portable.

---druck

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news5843 (7461)
9/13/2008 12:48:12 PM
On 13 Sep 2008 David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:

> Rob Kendrick wrote:
> [...]
>> Unfortunately, the new Cortex range are only very notionally ARM, and
>> almost every line of assembler in RISC OS (not an insignificant amount)
>> will need somebody to ponder over it in order to port to it.

> Can you expand? The specs say it's a standard ARMv7.

ARMv7 not ARM7. The former is a new incompatible instruction set used 
by the Cortex series, the later is the ancient 7 series of processors.

---druck

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news5843 (7461)
9/13/2008 12:51:12 PM
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:49:56 +0100, Rob Kendrick wrote:
> I very much doubt the RAM is upgradable /at all/ as it's a
> package-on-package BGA-and-glued hack.

I think there was something about the option of adding more memory via
Flash or USB - I suppose if you write your own malloc family of routines
then you can add memory anywhere you like, although it might not give
optimal performance (or be available until after system boot & necessary
interface drivers are loaded)

I'm quite tempted to pick one up just to hack around with...


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9/13/2008 3:16:09 PM
Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> wrote:

> I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be installed 
> in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with me on hols. I 
> don't want VRPC.

Depends on how big your lap is :_)

Cheers,

Ray D
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Ray6068 (3130)
9/13/2008 3:16:34 PM
In article <0ab92cde4f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>,
   druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:

> It strikes me as utterly pointless. Why drag around half a scrapyard 
> of cobbled together old junk, when you can choose from any number of
> self contained fully functional laptops, which will run RISC OS under 
> emulation. Anything from a 9" sub note book to a 17" desktop 
> replacement is going to be far better for job, and even the 17" will 
> be lighter and more portable.

> ---druck

I Have to completely agree with that Mr D.

We waited and waited, and waited for years in the hope of native RO
laptop, and when it became obvious it was never going to happen, we got a
MS-Win laptop, stuck a copy of VRPC Adjust-SA on it, and not looked back.

Well, I guess one fly in the ointment being the underlying OS is Vista,
but that aside VRPC has been a great success and fast.

I really cannot get my head around folks who will not, for whatever reason
countenance VRPC as it solved so many of the RO problems folks moan on
about (including me, Guilty M'lud).
VRPC on a suitable laptop is very fast, and with Uniprint installed has
immediate linked access to any designated browser you have installed in/on
the underlying OS.

Even without UniPrint, a URL from within VRPC can be Ctrl-C then
Alt-Return to drop out of VRPC, Ctrl-V in the URL bar of your fav Win
browser on off y'go.

I really would encourage the doubters, to find a friend who has VRPC
installed and try it out.

Dave S

-- 

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dave128 (1212)
9/13/2008 5:58:14 PM
Rob Kendrick wrote:
[...]
> ARMv7, Thumb 2, etc are essentially different instruction sets with
> similar register files.  Processor vectors, entry point conditions,
> instruction side effects, etc are all quite different indeed.

How much of this actually applies to *user mode* applications, though?
You mention instruction side effects; what, specifically? Because
everything else only really affects the kernel and the SWI dispatch
layer, which well-written apps and modules don't care about. The code
that would care would be unlikely to work anyway because the only reason
for doing that stuff is talking to hardware, which would be different.

> ARM don't actually mention most of this in their marketing material.
> I suspect this is because if you're using a bought-in OS and C for all
> your own stuff, you won't notice.

I'm afraid this is probably a sign, then, that someone should start
reworking RISC OS so that people *don't* notice these changes, and
backwards compatibility be damned. I know from my old Geoworks
experience that nailing your OS to an obsolete CPU architecture is not a
wise move.

-- 
┌─── dg@cowlark.com ───── http://www.cowlark.com ─────
│
│ "All power corrupts, but we need electricity." --- Diana Wynne Jones,
│ _Archer's Goon_
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dg (326)
9/13/2008 6:08:15 PM
In article <4fde491b2edave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <0ab92cde4f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>,
>    druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:

> > It strikes me as utterly pointless. Why drag around half a scrapyard 
> > of cobbled together old junk, when you can choose from any number of
> > self contained fully functional laptops, which will run RISC OS under 
> > emulation. Anything from a 9" sub note book to a 17" desktop 
> > replacement is going to be far better for job, and even the 17" will 
> > be lighter and more portable.

> > ---druck

> I Have to completely agree with that Mr D.

> We waited and waited, and waited for years in the hope of native RO
> laptop, and when it became obvious it was never going to happen,

There were 2 promised, AFAIR; Peanut and RiscStation.

> we got a MS-Win laptop, stuck a copy of VRPC Adjust-SA on it, and not
> looked back.

I fell for the Alpha 1 from MicroDigital since it appeared, from false
information, to be the only way forward. 

> Well, I guess one fly in the ointment being the underlying OS is Vista,
> but that aside VRPC has been a great success and fast.

I had serious problems with Norton Antivirus on the underlying XP machine.
It slowed everything to a crawl - and then the hard drive died ;-(.

-- 
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 

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charles7889 (2007)
9/13/2008 6:28:09 PM
In article <4fde491b2edave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Even without UniPrint, a URL from within VRPC can be Ctrl-C then
> Alt-Return to drop out of VRPC, Ctrl-V in the URL bar of your fav Win
> browser on off y'go.

Not using VRPC-SA though  :o(

To be fair, that is the only thing I miss using VRPC and I think that it
works in all other versions of VRPC.

Michael

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chappell (302)
9/13/2008 6:46:05 PM
In article <4fde4bd87echarles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
   charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> > Well, I guess one fly in the ointment being the underlying OS is Vista,
> > but that aside VRPC has been a great success and fast.

> I had serious problems with Norton Antivirus on the underlying XP
> machine. It slowed everything to a crawl - and then the hard drive died
> ;-(.

Indeedy Charles.
'Wunce' upon a time I had Norton AV installed on my Win computer, and back
in the old days is was good, however in more recent times it has become a
PITA, and as you note slowed the machine down.

My desktop Win machine running XP was quite a nippy machine, then after a
particular NAV update, I think it was 2003 or maybe 2004 the machine began
to run like cold treacle, I uninstalled some mostly unused applications,
did a serious Registry edit and got rid of a load of defunct material,
then did a defrag, but it didn't help much, machine still running very
slow.
Enuff was enuff, I was already aware of Norton being a possible treacle
source, so I uninstalled it... Which in itself is almost another novel.
(after a legit Norton uninstal, then using their cleanup tool, I still
needed an hour of work on the Registry, manually excising every
Symantec/Norton reference.

Anyway, suddenly I had my nippy machine back, on which I also have a copy
of VRPC installed.

At this time in the RO world, while we don't have much native hardware
choice, we do at least, with VRPC have an extended choice with Win and MAC
versions. 
I guess if a Linux version ever became available then the set of choices
(Ex RO hardware) would be complete.

Dave S

-- 

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dave128 (1212)
9/13/2008 6:58:08 PM
In article <4fde4d7c9cchappell@anotherday.me.uk>,
   Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> In article <4fde491b2edave@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > Even without UniPrint, a URL from within VRPC can be Ctrl-C then
> > Alt-Return to drop out of VRPC, Ctrl-V in the URL bar of your fav Win
> > browser on off y'go.

> Not using VRPC-SA though  :o(

> To be fair, that is the only thing I miss using VRPC and I think that it
> works in all other versions of VRPC.

> Michael

I might be wrong.
I though, just replacing the supplied dodgy version of WinClip with the
later 0.22 version sorted that problem.

Dave S

-- 

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dave128 (1212)
9/13/2008 7:15:03 PM
In article <4fde5023bddave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4fde4d7c9cchappell@anotherday.me.uk>,
>    Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> > In article <4fde491b2edave@triffid.co.uk>,
> >    Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Even without UniPrint, a URL from within VRPC can be Ctrl-C then
> > > Alt-Return to drop out of VRPC, Ctrl-V in the URL bar of your fav Win
> > > browser on off y'go.

> > Not using VRPC-SA though  :o(

> > To be fair, that is the only thing I miss using VRPC and I think that it
> > works in all other versions of VRPC.

> > Michael

> I might be wrong.
> I though, just replacing the supplied dodgy version of WinClip with the
> later 0.22 version sorted that problem.

I have that version. I think (I could have remembered it wrong) that you
need to global cut and paste that was in later versions of RISC OS 4
(specifically Adjust or Select)(mine is 4.02).

Michael

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chappell (302)
9/13/2008 7:34:59 PM
In message <48cadac4$0$514$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>
          David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:
Big snip
> 
> (Spec list: 600MHz ARM Cortex A8 --- best described as 'stonkingly
> awesome but not as awesome as the A9 will be' ---..)
> 
When will the A9 be awesome then? And what will it achieve over my 
RPC?


-- 
D

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mail7935 (573)
9/13/2008 10:03:49 PM
In message <gemini.k72suo001fgxv01p0.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
          Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> Paul Vigay <invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:

>> In a dim and distant universe
>> <efd058dd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>,
>>    Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> enlightened us thusly:
>> 
>>> I'll take that as a no then :-(
>> 
>> There are a number of people who have managed to fit a Risc PC into a
>> smallish laptop type enclosure, with battery and monitor to make a
>> 'luggable Risc PC'.

> How did they manage to provide the several supply rails necessary from one
> battery? Inverter?

> Cheers,

With the A9home it is not too hard.  Read my article in Qercus issue 
287.  However to summarise, the following is how I did it: -

12v Ni-MH battery
1 to 2 power cable splitter
12v to 5v step down on one of the split feeds for the A9home
Other feed carrying 12v to the monitor (12v monitors are available 
second hand from around �25 on Ebay)


Regards
-- 
Paul Stewart -  Far Bletchley, Milton Keynes, England.
(msn:sa110@hotmail.com)

If the answer is wrong, you have asked an incorrect question.

Dare To Be Different.  Use RISC OS (http://www.riscos.com).
It's blue and from outta town - 
(http://www.advantage6.co.uk/A9hsplash.html).
A9home Compatibility - 
(http://www.phawfaux.co.uk/a9home/compatibility.asp).

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paulstewart (757)
9/13/2008 10:26:51 PM
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:08:15 +0100
David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:

> How much of this actually applies to *user mode* applications, though?
> You mention instruction side effects; what, specifically? Because
> everything else only really affects the kernel and the SWI dispatch
> layer, which well-written apps and modules don't care about. The code
> that would care would be unlikely to work anyway because the only
> reason for doing that stuff is talking to hardware, which would be
> different.

Calling SWIs relates to user mode, no?  Additionally, the layout of the
status registers has changed, certain instructions have been deprecated
or just removed, and other instructions now have restrictions on which
registers can be used.

Getting hold of this information is actually extraordinarily difficult
because ARM don't publish an ARM ARM covering them that's available
publicly.

B.

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nntp550 (4244)
9/13/2008 11:41:33 PM
Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <0ab92cde4f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>,
>    druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> 
> > It strikes me as utterly pointless. Why drag around half a scrapyard of
> > cobbled together old junk, when you can choose from any number of self
> > contained fully functional laptops, which will run RISC OS under
> > emulation. Anything from a 9" sub note book to a 17" desktop replacement
> > is going to be far better for job, and even the 17" will be lighter and
> > more portable.
> 
> > ---druck
> 
> I Have to completely agree with that Mr D.
> 
> We waited and waited, and waited for years in the hope of native RO
> laptop, and when it became obvious it was never going to happen, we got a
> MS-Win laptop, stuck a copy of VRPC Adjust-SA on it, and not looked back.
> 
> Well, I guess one fly in the ointment being the underlying OS is Vista,
> but that aside VRPC has been a great success and fast.

[snip]

> I really would encourage the doubters, to find a friend who has VRPC
> installed and try it out.

Well, almost. If I were to show VRPC on my Vista laptop I would show it
crashing on return from hibernation. There are now three of us with this
NVidia related hazard. It may be a small risk but it is there.

VRPC on Vista requires that User Account Control be disabled, there are
diverse strong views on that subject, but it is a layer of security denied. 

There is also the chore of keeping the host Windows updated and safe, a
chore indeed if one only wants to use RISC OS.

Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.

-- 
David Pitt
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news7066 (1533)
9/14/2008 6:52:36 AM
In article <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
   David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

> Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.

Without?

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject
for reliable contact! Who is John Williams? http://www.picindex.info/author/ 
Somewhere nice to stay in Brittany? http://petit.four.free.fr/visitors/locate
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UCEbin (2771)
9/14/2008 6:53:53 AM
"John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
>    David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.
> 
> Without?

That's me lost! (As usual.)

Without what?

-- 
David Pitt
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news7066 (1533)
9/14/2008 7:03:29 AM
In article <gemini.k76blt002834y03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
   David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.
> > 
> > Without?

> That's me lost! (As usual.)

> Without what?

One does without RISC OS on one's laptop?

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject
for reliable contact! Who is John Williams? http://www.picindex.info/author/ 
Somewhere nice to stay in Brittany? http://petit.four.free.fr/visitors/locate
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UCEbin (2771)
9/14/2008 7:14:27 AM
In message of 14 Sep, David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

<on Virtual Acorn>

> Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.

Buy a Mac, install VARPC_Mac and also install Linux under VMWare Fusion.

You can also have Windows running on the same machine, though it almost
certainly needs a bit of grunt.

(And explain to the bank who might lend you the dosh that as they aren't
lending cash to the house-buyers, they must be desparate for the likes
of you to give them some profits from lending from the cash in their
vaults.)

-- 
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�������������For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
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tim222 (1366)
9/14/2008 7:33:19 AM
"John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <gemini.k76blt002834y03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
>    David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.
> > > 
> > > Without?
> 
> > That's me lost! (As usual.)
> 
> > Without what?
> 
> One does without RISC OS on one's laptop?

Ah, got it. Slow brain start here this morning.

-- 
David Pitt
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news7066 (1533)
9/14/2008 7:39:28 AM
Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote:

> In message of 14 Sep, David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> <on Virtual Acorn>
> 
> > Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.
> 
> Buy a Mac, install VARPC_Mac and also install Linux under VMWare Fusion.

I have been tempted to jump ship during moments of Vista duress.

-- 
David Pitt
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news7066 (1533)
9/14/2008 7:49:34 AM
In article <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
   David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> > I Have to completely agree with that Mr D.
> > 
> > We waited and waited, and waited for years in the hope of native RO
> > laptop, and when it became obvious it was never going to happen, we
> > got a MS-Win laptop, stuck a copy of VRPC Adjust-SA on it, and not
> > looked back.
> > 
> > Well, I guess one fly in the ointment being the underlying OS is
> > Vista, but that aside VRPC has been a great success and fast.

> [snip]

> > I really would encourage the doubters, to find a friend who has VRPC
> > installed and try it out.

> Well, almost. If I were to show VRPC on my Vista laptop I would show it
> crashing on return from hibernation. There are now three of us with this
> NVidia related hazard. It may be a small risk but it is there.

Yes that did happen, but since installing the Vista SP1 update that
problem went away here.

> VRPC on Vista requires that User Account Control be disabled, there are
> diverse strong views on that subject, but it is a layer of security
> denied. 

It doesn't now, if UAC is on, then when you run VRPC the UAC monitor will
ask if it should be allowed or not.
Click Allow and of you go.

Personally, most of the time I have UAC switched off, I can't stand the
....king intrusion every time I want to do something.
I just switched it back on to check my memory of events, and it's now back
to OFF.

As for the security worry. Well each to their own. But I have other
measures in place.

> There is also the chore of keeping the host Windows updated and safe, a
> chore indeed if one only wants to use RISC OS.

Nah, nah! that does not wash.
Have you seen how many updates have to be installed to keep older versions
of VRPC running?
Keeping Windows itself updated and safe involves very little work if you
have the update process configured correctly.

AVG (Antivirus) is, once setup, mostly automatic.

> Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.

At present, and possibly you'll never have a version of VRPC for it, so
you are stuffed, therefore get yerself a proper *Users* computer rather
than a  Developers toy.  ;-)

Again each to their own.
I want computers that do the work I require of them, I no longer have the
time or to be honest inclination to play extensively with such things.

Dave S

-- 

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dave128 (1212)
9/14/2008 9:02:35 AM
Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
>    David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> > Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> 
[snip]
> 
> > > I really would encourage the doubters, to find a friend who has VRPC
> > > installed and try it out.
> 
> > Well, almost. If I were to show VRPC on my Vista laptop I would show it
> > crashing on return from hibernation. There are now three of us with this
> > NVidia related hazard. It may be a small risk but it is there.
> 
> Yes that did happen, but since installing the Vista SP1 update that
> problem went away here.

No such luck here, unfortunately.

-- 
David Pitt
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news7066 (1533)
9/14/2008 9:24:49 AM
On 13 Sep, Michael Chappell  wrote in message
  <4fde51f702chappell@anotherday.me.uk>:

> In article <4fde5023bddave@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > I might be wrong. I though, just replacing the supplied dodgy version
> > of WinClip with the later 0.22 version sorted that problem.
> 
> I have that version. I think (I could have remembered it wrong) that you
> need to global cut and paste that was in later versions of RISC OS 4
> (specifically Adjust or Select)(mine is 4.02).

Or as supplied by IcnClipBrd on other versions of the OS.

  http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/clipboard/

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

0
news1571 (3486)
9/14/2008 12:45:42 PM
On 14 Sep, John Williams (News) wrote in message
  <4fde901ea0UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>:

> In article <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
>    David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.
> 
> Without?

Or RPCemu?

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

0
news1571 (3486)
9/14/2008 12:47:21 PM
In a dim and distant universe <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
   David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
[Snippety snip]

> Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.

Use RPCemu - which I'm currently trying to get to work on the Eee PC.

Paul

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0
9/14/2008 2:04:39 PM
In article <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>, 
news@pittdj.co.uk says...
> Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> > I really would encourage the doubters, to find a friend who has VRPC
> > installed and try it out.
> 
> Well, almost. If I were to show VRPC on my Vista laptop I would show it
> crashing on return from hibernation. There are now three of us with this
> NVidia related hazard. It may be a small risk but it is there.

It's not just NVidia related. Type 'vista hibernate crash' into Google 
and have a trawl through.

> VRPC on Vista requires that User Account Control be disabled, there are
> diverse strong views on that subject, but it is a layer of security denied. 

UAC is a PITA and is usually the first thing to get switched off.

> There is also the chore of keeping the host Windows updated and safe, a
> chore indeed if one only wants to use RISC OS.

Hardly a chore now. If you /only/ use it for VRPC there are no updates 
needed apart from the virus definitions. If not then you would be 
prepared to do this anyway.

> Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.

W(h)ine? ;-)

-- 
Greg Harris (Norwich)
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greg1 (566)
9/14/2008 2:26:18 PM
Rob Kendrick wrote:
[...]
> Calling SWIs relates to user mode, no?

Yes, but that's only obligatory when, as you said, using EABI. Given
that RISC OS doesn't, and probably never well, that's irrelevant. The
old way of doing things still works --- it's just not the most efficient
way of doing it.

> Additionally, the layout of the
> status registers has changed, certain instructions have been deprecated
> or just removed, and other instructions now have restrictions on which
> registers can be used.

....all supervisor mode only, no?

ARM specifically *state* that the Cortex A series is backwards
compatible all the way to the ARM7TDMI, which is the oldest ARM still in
production. Given that it's a processor made by ARM, specified by ARM,
which will run ARM code, I do suspect that your statement that it's
'only notionally an ARM' is possibly *not entirely accurate*...

-- 
┌─── dg@cowlark.com ───── http://www.cowlark.com ─────
│
│ "All power corrupts, but we need electricity." --- Diana Wynne Jones,
│ _Archer's Goon_
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dg (326)
9/14/2008 2:37:59 PM
Greg <greg@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>, news@pittdj.co.uk
> says...

[snip]
 
> > Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.
> 
> W(h)ine? ;-)
 
Yes, but! Screen redraw was very slow here.

-- 
David Pitt
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news7066 (1533)
9/14/2008 2:46:28 PM
Paul Vigay <invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:

> In a dim and distant universe
> <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
>    David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
> [Snippety snip]
> 
> > Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.
> 
> Use RPCemu - which I'm currently trying to get to work on the Eee PC.

Yes, but!

RPCemu on Linux ran very slowly here and was profoundly unstable. VRPC on
Vista does run at a most satisfactory speed, until I close the laptop lid,
that is.  
-- 
David Pitt
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news7066 (1533)
9/14/2008 2:51:49 PM
In message <4fdeb78ed0invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk>
          Paul Vigay <invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk> 
wrote:

> In a dim and distant universe <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
>    David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
> [Snippety snip]

>> Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.

> Use RPCemu - which I'm currently trying to get to work on the Eee PC.

Once the network is working.  This would be ideal for use under Linux.

Regards
-- 
Paul Stewart -  Far Bletchley, Milton Keynes, England.
(msn:sa110@hotmail.com)

If the answer is wrong, you have asked an incorrect question.

Dare To Be Different.  Use RISC OS (http://www.riscos.com).
It's blue and from outta town - 
(http://www.advantage6.co.uk/A9hsplash.html).
A9home Compatibility - 
(http://www.phawfaux.co.uk/a9home/compatibility.asp).

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paulstewart (757)
9/14/2008 3:05:36 PM
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

> On 14 Sep, John Williams (News) wrote in message
>   <4fde901ea0UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>:
> 
> > In article <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
> >    David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.
> > 
> > Without?
> 
> Or RPCemu?
> 
RPCemu ran very slowly here, I gave up once it became apparent how much
slower it was than VRPC on Vista was on the same machine.

Entirely coincidentally WindowsXP has just seized up solid here, nothing to
do with VRPC but VRPC is not available on that machine for now.

-- 
David Pitt
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news7066 (1533)
9/14/2008 3:06:45 PM
In article <gemini.k76x1f000aaz302fo.news@pittdj.co.uk>, 
news@pittdj.co.uk says...
> Greg <greg@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In article <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>, news@pittdj.co.uk
> > says...
> 
> [snip]
>  
> > > Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.
> > 
> > W(h)ine? ;-)
>  
> Yes, but! Screen redraw was very slow here.

Did you try it with /and/ without h/ware acceleration.
-- 
Greg Harris (Norwich)
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greg1 (566)
9/14/2008 3:14:17 PM
In article <gemini.k76xad000h77302fo.news@pittdj.co.uk>, 
news@pittdj.co.uk says...
> Paul Vigay <invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In a dim and distant universe
> > <gemini.k76b3o001u32n03hc.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
> >    David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
> > [Snippety snip]
> > 
> > > Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.
> > 
> > Use RPCemu - which I'm currently trying to get to work on the Eee PC.
> 
> Yes, but!
> 
> RPCemu on Linux ran very slowly here and was profoundly unstable. VRPC on
> Vista does run at a most satisfactory speed, until I close the laptop lid,
> that is.  

Unless you sort the /Vista/ problem with Sleep and Hibernation, 
unfortunately, the only solution is to change the power settings (re: 
closing the lid) to stay powered up.

It's not a VRPC problem it's a Vista one.

-- 
Greg Harris (Norwich)
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greg1 (566)
9/14/2008 3:27:34 PM
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:05:36 +0100
Paul Stewart <paulstewart@phawfaux.co.uk> wrote:

> > Use RPCemu - which I'm currently trying to get to work on the Eee
> > PC.  
> 
> Once the network is working.  This would be ideal for use under Linux.

The networking does work.  It's not trivial to set up, but that's
because it's not the same sort of hack that VRPC employs - it does it
properly.

B.

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nntp550 (4244)
9/14/2008 4:23:11 PM
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:37:59 +0100
David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:

> > Additionally, the layout of the
> > status registers has changed, certain instructions have been
> > deprecated or just removed, and other instructions now have
> > restrictions on which registers can be used.  
> 
> ...all supervisor mode only, no?

Only if you avoid using LDR in user mode. :)

(And in any case, vast chunks of RISC OS *do* run in supervisor mode.)

> ARM specifically *state* that the Cortex A series is backwards
> compatible all the way to the ARM7TDMI, which is the oldest ARM still
> in production. Given that it's a processor made by ARM, specified by
> ARM, which will run ARM code, I do suspect that your statement that
> it's 'only notionally an ARM' is possibly *not entirely accurate*...

Try it.  ARM are known for being economical with the truth.  They
describe Thumb 2 as being a mixture of Thumb 16 bit and ARM 32 bit
instructions; it's nothing of the sort!

B.

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nntp550 (4244)
9/14/2008 4:25:02 PM
Rob Kendrick wrote:
[...]
> Only if you avoid using LDR in user mode. :)

You're talking about the various changes in meaning of the bottom two
bits of LDR r15, right? But given that RISC OS doesn't use Thumb, and
that we're not interested in 26-bit code, this should affect anyone;
correct code should always have those bits set to 00, which means it
should Just Work.

> (And in any case, vast chunks of RISC OS *do* run in supervisor mode.)

Yes, unfortunately. However, given that most of these don't actually do
anything that *needs* supervisor mode --- most modules just do
number-crunching and callouts to other modules, it ought to be
relatively straightforward to build a framework in the kernel that will
do the SWI hooking in supervisor mode and then pass them on to the
modules in user mode.

Given that the various ARMs *do* vary in behaviour in supervisor mode,
such a thing's probably going to be necessary anyway if RISC OS is going
to be portable; relying on specific behaviours of now elderly CPUs is
not good.

[...]
> Try it.  ARM are known for being economical with the truth.  They
> describe Thumb 2 as being a mixture of Thumb 16 bit and ARM 32 bit
> instructions; it's nothing of the sort!

Well, yeah, but I'm not talking about Thumb 2. The Cortex A series is
specced to run *real* 32 bit ARM code, as well as Thumb 2 and Jazelle.
You may be thinking of the Cortex M series, which *only* supports Thumb 2.

-- 
┌─── dg@cowlark.com ───── http://www.cowlark.com ─────
│
│ "All power corrupts, but we need electricity." --- Diana Wynne Jones,
│ _Archer's Goon_
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dg (326)
9/14/2008 6:25:54 PM
On 14 Sep 2008 David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:
> Rob Kendrick wrote:
>> (And in any case, vast chunks of RISC OS *do* run in supervisor mode.)

> Yes, unfortunately. However, given that most of these don't actually do
> anything that *needs* supervisor mode --- most modules just do
> number-crunching and callouts to other modules, it ought to be
> relatively straightforward to build a framework in the kernel that will
> do the SWI hooking in supervisor mode and then pass them on to the
> modules in user mode.

Moving module code away from supervisor mode has been discussed for 
years. It could be done, but its anything but straightforward. If
you want to avoid re-writing every single module in existence 
(essential as there is no one around to do that), you'd need a
massive hack many times the complexity of Aemulor, which would
squander a lot of the additional performance of the chip.

If there was still a viable RISC OS market, we'd go take on the
task of moving to Cortex, no matter what the difficulties. But
financial issues asside, do the ends justify the means? Would a
machine 3x-4x faster than an Iyonix solve any of the major problems 
facing the platform? Would it finally make the wingers upgrade their 
14 year old Risc PC's or would they just find some more excuses? Would 
it suddenly spur additional software development, or would we still
lack major applications considered essential to any viable platform?

---druck

-- 
The ARM Club Free Software - http://www.armclub.org.uk/free/
The 32bit Conversions Page - http://www.quantumsoft.co.uk/druck/
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news5843 (7461)
9/14/2008 7:04:08 PM
In article <d5f9d2de4f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>, news@druck.freeuk.com 
says...
 
> If there was still a viable RISC OS market, we'd go take on the
> task of moving to Cortex, no matter what the difficulties. But
> financial issues asside, do the ends justify the means? Would a
> machine 3x-4x faster than an Iyonix solve any of the major problems 
> facing the platform? Would it finally make the wingers upgrade their 
> 14 year old Risc PC's or would they just find some more excuses? Would 
> it suddenly spur additional software development, or would we still
> lack major applications considered essential to any viable platform?

I think that surmises the predicament of RICOS. The RPCs, Inyonixs and 
A9s will splutter and flat line but VRPC will live.

ARM have long given up any support for desktop machines. Their future is 
in the embedded market but 'old' RISCOS users seem to think that they 
are still wedded.

-- 
Greg Harris (Norwich)
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greg1 (566)
9/14/2008 7:50:42 PM
On 14 Sep 2008 Greg <greg@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I think that surmises the predicament of RICOS. The RPCs, Inyonixs and
> A9s will splutter and flat line but VRPC will live.

Its not really living though.

---druck

-- 
The ARM Club Free Software - http://www.armclub.org.uk/free/
The 32bit Conversions Page - http://www.quantumsoft.co.uk/druck/
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news5843 (7461)
9/14/2008 7:58:48 PM
In message <f0b261de4f.Paul@phawfaux.co.uk>
          Paul Stewart <paulstewart@phawfaux.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <gemini.k72suo001fgxv01p0.ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk>
>           Ray Dawson <ray@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>> Paul Vigay <invalid-email-address@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:

>>> In a dim and distant universe
>>> <efd058dd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>,
>>>    Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> enlightened us thusly:
>>> 
>>>> I'll take that as a no then :-(
>>> 
>>> There are a number of people who have managed to fit a Risc PC into a
>>> smallish laptop type enclosure, with battery and monitor to make a
>>> 'luggable Risc PC'.

>> How did they manage to provide the several supply rails necessary from one
>> battery? Inverter?

>> Cheers,

> With the A9home it is not too hard.  Read my article in Qercus issue
> 287.  However to summarise, the following is how I did it: -

> 12v Ni-MH battery
> 1 to 2 power cable splitter
> 12v to 5v step down on one of the split feeds for the A9home
> Other feed carrying 12v to the monitor (12v monitors are available
> second hand from around �25 on Ebay)

Don't forget how ridiculously cheap 12-240 volt invertors are now. 
Maplin have a useful range from 60 watt to 600. A 110 watt one runs my 
laptop with VRPC and an HP colour inkjet printer (strictly, if I start 
using the printer I have to unplug the laptop from the invertor, 
otherwise it shuts itself down. Once the printer is idle, I can plug 
in again and resume keeping the battery topped up.)

A 150 watt invertor handles the load without any problem.

It will also recharge my camera batteries - those chargers can't run 
off 12 volts.

-- 
Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire
alan@adamshome.org.uk
http://www.nckc.org.uk/
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alan280 (264)
9/14/2008 9:07:27 PM
druck wrote:
[...]
> Moving module code away from supervisor mode has been discussed for 
> years. It could be done, but its anything but straightforward. If
> you want to avoid re-writing every single module in existence 
> (essential as there is no one around to do that), you'd need a
> massive hack many times the complexity of Aemulor, which would
> squander a lot of the additional performance of the chip.

Well, not necessarily --- consider the experiment RISC OS user emulation
in qemu (at http://www.riscos.info/index.php/QEMU). This will run RISC
OS applications, with either emulated *or native* modules. All code is
run in more or less user mode. In essence, what it's doing is pretending
to be a supervisor mode kernel that handles SWI dispatch to user mode.

This leads me to believe that it should be perfectly possible to build a
microkernel-based RISC OS-alike based that will run normal 32-bit mode
applications and modules. Naturally, it would only run those modules
which are happy to run in user mode, but supervisor-mode only modules
are probably all hardware specific anyway, which means they wouldn't
work on any modern hardware.

(Said microkernel could be a special-purpose thing, or an off-the-shelf
executive like ECOS or FreeRTOS, or something like ARM Linux with the
RISC OS personality module. Which would be interesting, because it would
allow you to run essentially the same system on any of these devices.)

> If there was still a viable RISC OS market, we'd go take on the
> task of moving to Cortex, no matter what the difficulties. But
> financial issues asside, do the ends justify the means? Would a
> machine 3x-4x faster than an Iyonix solve any of the major problems 
> facing the platform? Would it finally make the wingers upgrade their 
> 14 year old Risc PC's or would they just find some more excuses? Would 
> it suddenly spur additional software development, or would we still
> lack major applications considered essential to any viable platform?

Well, speaking personally, I have no interest in RISC OS as a desktop
platform --- that boat hasn't just sailed, it's been passed from owner
to owner under flag of convenience, sold to the lowest bidder, run until
the hull started to rust through, driven onto a beach in India, been
dismantled by underpaid natives, recycled into lousy American cars,
abandoned in a front yard in South Carolina and is now gently rusting
while a family of chipmunks grows up under the front seat. However, I
*am* interested in it as a tiny OS for embedded devices. The modular
structure is nice, the environment is surprisingly subtle, and it's very
easy to extend. It would, for example, be ideal to get some real use out
of my Amstrad E3, which is really too small for Linux.

Interestingly enough, such a thing wouldn't actually need any RISC OS
source code --- all you'd need is the executive, some custom modules and
apps written in C, and a carefully vetted pile of binaries. It shouldn't
take much to get a system that will start up to the Supervisor prompt,
at which point it would start being useful.

....speaking of which, is there any easy way of getting a module out of
memory and on to disk? A sort of 'RMSave'?

-- 
┌─── dg@cowlark.com ───── http://www.cowlark.com ─────
│
│ "All power corrupts, but we need electricity." --- Diana Wynne Jones,
│ _Archer's Goon_
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dg (326)
9/14/2008 11:53:21 PM
In article <48cda3f2$0$3304$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
   David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:

> ...speaking of which, is there any easy way of getting a module out of
> memory and on to disk? A sort of 'RMSave'?

*modules gives the start address, and the start of the next-1 indicates its
finish.

*save saves a block of memory, and even allows you to filetype it with the
correct parameter.

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject
for reliable contact! Who is John Williams? http://www.picindex.info/author/ 
Somewhere nice to stay in Brittany? http://petit.four.free.fr/visitors/locate
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UCEbin (2771)
9/15/2008 6:59:49 AM
On 15-Sep-2008, David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:

> ...speaking of which, is there any easy way of getting a module out of
> memory and on to disk? A sort of 'RMSave'?

Just use Zap. Create -> Get Module and select the one you want. Then save
it.

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>
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SpamBin5339 (850)
9/15/2008 7:21:51 AM
In article <2cfbd7de4f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>, news@druck.freeuk.com 
says...
> On 14 Sep 2008 Greg <greg@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > I think that surmises the predicament of RICOS. The RPCs, Inyonixs and
> > A9s will splutter and flat line but VRPC will live.
> 
> Its not really living though.

I see it like the brain kept alive in a jar from an old Boris Karloff 
film.

-- 
Greg Harris (Norwich)
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greg1 (566)
9/15/2008 8:08:33 AM
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:53:21 +0100
David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:

> ...speaking of which, is there any easy way of getting a module out of
> memory and on to disk? A sort of 'RMSave'?

Install Zap.

B.

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nntp550 (4244)
9/15/2008 8:20:57 AM
In article <48cda3f2$0$3304$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>, David Given
<dg@cowlark.com> wrote:
> Well, speaking personally, I have no interest in RISC OS as a desktop
> platform --- that boat hasn't just sailed, it's been passed from
> owner to owner under flag of convenience, sold to the lowest bidder,
> run until the hull started to rust through, driven onto a beach in
> India, been dismantled by underpaid natives, recycled into lousy
> American cars, abandoned in a front yard in South Carolina and is now
> gently rusting while a family of chipmunks grows up under the front
> seat

All very positive, but speaking as a chipmunk I'm a bit worried about
what happens when the front seat collapses . . .

-- 
f r o m   C o l i n   M a t t h e w s
cmatt@dpmail.co.uk

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cmatt1 (79)
9/15/2008 9:05:51 AM
David Pitt wrote:

[VRPC]

> Lastly what does one do if one is a Linux user.

Install Windows in a small partition.
Install Wine (I believe you can run VRPC under Wine).
Use RPCEmu.
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usenet5050 (306)
9/15/2008 10:37:20 AM
On 15 Sep, John Williams (News) wrote:

> In article <48cda3f2$0$3304$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>, David Given
> <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:

>> ...speaking of which, is there any easy way of getting a module out of
>> memory and on to disk? A sort of 'RMSave'?

> *modules gives the start address, and the start of the next-1
> indicates its finish.

> *save saves a block of memory, and even allows you to filetype it with
> the correct parameter.

Or you could just extract the module using !Verma.

http://www.somascape.org/riscos/soft/index.html
-- 
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
------------------------------------------------------------------
Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. He was using a dotted
line. He caught every other fish.
0
9/15/2008 11:16:29 AM
In article <48cda3f2$0$3304$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
   David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:

> ...speaking of which, is there any easy way of getting a module out of
> memory and on to disk? A sort of 'RMSave'?

Or, of course, you could actually use RMSave <moduletitle> <filename>, a
command provided by the module RMSave 0.21 (23 Sep 2002) in the Iyonix ROM,
or the library utility RMSave available from:

        http://www-stu.cai.cam.ac.uk/~emn23/riscos/soft3.html

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject
for reliable contact! Who is John Williams? http://www.picindex.info/author/ 
Somewhere nice to stay in Brittany? http://petit.four.free.fr/visitors/locate
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UCEbin (2771)
9/15/2008 2:14:16 PM
On 15 Sep, UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

> RMSave <moduletitle> <filename>, a command provided by the module RMSave
> 0.21 (23 Sep 2002) in the Iyonix ROM,

Whoops - no it isn't in ROM - it's a Sprow offering - I just couldn't see
where it was loading from and made a false assumption!

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject
for reliable contact! Who is John Williams? http://www.picindex.info/author/ 
Somewhere nice to stay in Brittany? http://petit.four.free.fr/visitors/locate
0
UCEbin (2771)
9/15/2008 2:27:06 PM
In article <4354b0de4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>,
   Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 13 Sep, Michael Chappell  wrote in message
>   <4fde51f702chappell@anotherday.me.uk>:

> > In article <4fde5023bddave@triffid.co.uk>,
> >    Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > I might be wrong. I though, just replacing the supplied dodgy version
> > > of WinClip with the later 0.22 version sorted that problem.
> > 
> > I have that version. I think (I could have remembered it wrong) that you
> > need to global cut and paste that was in later versions of RISC OS 4
> > (specifically Adjust or Select)(mine is 4.02).

> Or as supplied by IcnClipBrd on other versions of the OS.

>   http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/clipboard/

I've downloaded the above but, unless I'm doing something wrong, it still
won't let me paste it into IE within Windows.

Michael

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chappell (302)
9/16/2008 11:28:51 PM
In article <d0503bdd4f.David@mail.daveandsylvia.plus.com>,
   Dave <mail@daveandsylvia.plus.com> wrote:
> I have a RPC. Could the same 'works' or something similar be installed 
> in a laptop configuration. Just so I can take 'it' with me on hols. I 
> don't want VRPC.

I have had a plan for sometime to do something like that.  Obviously it
would not be a laptop as such but something transportable non the less.

First requirements (I think) would be some sort of adaptor to turn the CPU
card into horizontal orientation, and a new "flat" PSU.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
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Spambin (1454)
9/18/2008 7:14:06 PM
In article <b75856dd4f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>,
   druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> No. For portability get an A9 and a small LCD monitor.

And copy Paul Stewart's ideas.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
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Spambin (1454)
9/18/2008 7:15:29 PM
In article <4fdd8b3765dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
   Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Might have been worth the effort 10 years ago, but now? And I'd imagine
> finding a suitable PS to run off a battery wouldn't be easy or cheap.

Taking on holiday doesn't neccessarily mean it has to run on batteries!

All the hotels, cottages and B&Bs I've stayed in have mains power.

I have often taken an ancient Dell laptop with me to view my photographs
and I invariably use the mains PSU.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
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Spambin (1454)
9/18/2008 7:54:38 PM
In article <4fdd989d69dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
   Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Indeed - and then you've got the problem of finding a VGA monitor that
> runs off batteries. A RPC has no provision for composite out.

Neither does an A9. Paul Stewart uses one that runs on 12V. These are
"standard" units that have 12V DC input, normally provided with a "wall
wart" or something similar"

-- 
Stuart Winsor

For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
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Spambin (1454)
9/18/2008 7:56:55 PM
On 17 Sep 2008 Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:

> In article <4354b0de4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>,
>    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 13 Sep, Michael Chappell  wrote in message
>>   <4fde51f702chappell@anotherday.me.uk>:

>>> In article <4fde5023bddave@triffid.co.uk>,
>>>    Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I might be wrong. I though, just replacing the supplied dodgy version
>>>> of WinClip with the later 0.22 version sorted that problem.
>>> 
>>> I have that version. I think (I could have remembered it wrong) that you
>>> need to global cut and paste that was in later versions of RISC OS 4
>>> (specifically Adjust or Select)(mine is 4.02).

>> Or as supplied by IcnClipBrd on other versions of the OS.

>>   http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/clipboard/

> I've downloaded the above but, unless I'm doing something wrong, it still
> won't let me paste it into IE within Windows.

The above is nothing to do with cutting and pasting between RISC OS 
and Windows. You need the CallAWin bridge code and the WinClip 
utility. Finding them is left as an excerise for the reader.

---druck

-- 
The ARM Club Free Software - http://www.armclub.org.uk/free/
The 32bit Conversions Page - http://www.quantumsoft.co.uk/druck/
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news5843 (7461)
9/24/2008 11:19:15 PM
In article <4fe0e6f188Spambin@argonet.co.uk>,
   Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4fdd8b3765dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
>    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > Might have been worth the effort 10 years ago, but now? And I'd imagine
> > finding a suitable PS to run off a battery wouldn't be easy or cheap.

> Taking on holiday doesn't neccessarily mean it has to run on batteries!

Can you name a laptop that can't?

> All the hotels, cottages and B&Bs I've stayed in have mains power.

> I have often taken an ancient Dell laptop with me to view my photographs
> and I invariably use the mains PSU.

Not a RISC OS one, then? ;-)

-- 
*Am I ambivalent? Well, yes and no.  

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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dave137 (3026)
9/25/2008 8:21:29 AM
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:21:29 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> > Taking on holiday doesn't neccessarily mean it has to run on
> > batteries!  
> 
> Can you name a laptop that can't?

Any laptop whose battery has snuffed it :)  Also, Tadpole laptops don't
have a battery per-se, but a 30 second UPS.  They're essentially
useless without mains.

B.

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nntp550 (4244)
9/25/2008 8:47:35 AM
In a dim and distant universe
<20080925094735.28f0788d@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>,
   Rob Kendrick <nntp@rjek.com> enlightened us thusly:

> Any laptop whose battery has snuffed it :)  Also, Tadpole laptops don't
> have a battery per-se, but a 30 second UPS.  They're essentially useless
> without mains.

Do you have a Tadpole you don't want then? If so, I'm sure I could find a
home for one.... ;-)


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9/25/2008 9:26:12 AM
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:26:12 +0100
Paul Vigay <invalid-email@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:

> In a dim and distant universe
> <20080925094735.28f0788d@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>,
>    Rob Kendrick <nntp@rjek.com> enlightened us thusly:
> 
> > Any laptop whose battery has snuffed it :)  Also, Tadpole laptops
> > don't have a battery per-se, but a 30 second UPS.  They're
> > essentially useless without mains.
> 
> Do you have a Tadpole you don't want then? If so, I'm sure I could
> find a home for one.... ;-)

I long ago disposed of mine and replaced it with something
significantly cheaper and better in every measurable way.

B.

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nntp550 (4244)
9/25/2008 9:48:25 AM
In a dim and distant universe
<20080925104825.70e2426e@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>,
   Rob Kendrick <nntp@rjek.com> enlightened us thusly:

> I long ago disposed of mine and replaced it with something significantly
> cheaper and better in every measurable way.

That's a pity. They're still fetching over 500 quid on eBay.

Paul
(who collects retro junk)


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9/25/2008 3:58:22 PM
In article <4fe44255e1dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
   Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> Not a RISC OS one, then? ;-)

Regretably, my A4 is faulty.  :-(

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Spambin (1454)
9/25/2008 4:00:20 PM
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:58:22 +0100
Paul Vigay <invalid-email@invalid-domain.co.uk> wrote:

> In a dim and distant universe
> <20080925104825.70e2426e@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>,
>    Rob Kendrick <nntp@rjek.com> enlightened us thusly:
> 
> > I long ago disposed of mine and replaced it with something
> > significantly cheaper and better in every measurable way.
> 
> That's a pity. They're still fetching over 500 quid on eBay.

It went to somebody who worked for Sun - I'm sure it's getting good use
for what it is.

> (who collects retro junk)

Like Iyonixes? >:)

B.

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nntp550 (4244)
9/25/2008 4:15:45 PM
In article <37b110e44f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>,
   druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> The above is nothing to do with cutting and pasting between RISC OS 
> and Windows. You need the CallAWin bridge code and the WinClip 
> utility. Finding them is left as an excerise for the reader.

> ---druck

You're telling me!

I have the Winclip utility but CAllaWin brings up exactly zilch on Google.

Michael

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chappell (302)
9/27/2008 9:45:13 AM
In message of 27 Sep, Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:

> In article <37b110e44f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>,
>    druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>> The above is nothing to do with cutting and pasting between RISC OS
>> and Windows. You need the CallAWin bridge code and the WinClip
>> utility. Finding them is left as an excerise for the reader.

>> ---druck

> You're telling me!

> I have the Winclip utility but CAllaWin brings up exactly zilch on Google.

Fundamentally I am jealous that you can even think of this.  I cannot 
find any such clip and paste facility between RISC OS and Mac.  
(Though I can run Win 98 under a virtual machine on the Mac, I wonder 
if that would work as I can certainly clip and paste between that 
machine and the Mac.)

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tim222 (1366)
9/27/2008 10:57:43 AM
Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> I have the Winclip utility but CAllaWin brings up exactly zilch on Google.

CallWin32 by Niall Douglas

Theo

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news539 (2440)
9/28/2008 4:15:05 PM
In article <5xt*IT+ns@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo Markettos
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> > I have the Winclip utility but CAllaWin brings up exactly zilch on
> > Google.

> CallWin32 by Niall Douglas

> Theo

Right I've found that but it is all a bit confusing as what needs to be
done.

Has anyone got this working on VRPC RISC OS 4.02?

Michael

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chappell (302)
10/5/2008 2:52:53 PM
On 5 Oct 2008 Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:

> In article <5xt*IT+ns@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo Markettos
> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:
>>> I have the Winclip utility but CAllaWin brings up exactly zilch on
>>> Google.

>> CallWin32 by Niall Douglas

>> Theo

> Right I've found that but it is all a bit confusing as what needs to be
> done.

> Has anyone got this working on VRPC RISC OS 4.02?

Yes, now ask a better question!

---druck

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news5843 (7461)
10/5/2008 3:51:03 PM
In article <94da91e94f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>,
   druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 5 Oct 2008 Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:

> > In article <5xt*IT+ns@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo Markettos
> > <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> >> Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> >>> I have the Winclip utility but CAllaWin brings up exactly zilch on
> >>> Google.

> >> CallWin32 by Niall Douglas

> >> Theo

> > Right I've found that but it is all a bit confusing as what needs to be
> > done.

> > Has anyone got this working on VRPC RISC OS 4.02?

> Yes, now ask a better question!

> ---druck

Okay then, what does a non-techie like myself need to do, step by step, to
get this to work?

Please.

Michael

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chappell (302)
10/6/2008 5:49:57 AM
On 6 Oct 2008 Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> In article <94da91e94f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>,
>    druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On 5 Oct 2008 Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:
>>> In article <5xt*IT+ns@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo Markettos
>>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> CallWin32 by Niall Douglas

>>> Right I've found that but it is all a bit confusing as what needs to be
>>> done.

>>> Has anyone got this working on VRPC RISC OS 4.02?

>> Yes, now ask a better question!

> Okay then, what does a non-techie like myself need to do, step by step, to
> get this to work?

Follow the instructions which it is provided with, or type
"callwin32 installation" in to google.

---druck

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news5843 (7461)
10/6/2008 8:42:44 PM
In article <ba6430ea4f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>, druck
<news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 6 Oct 2008 Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> > In article <94da91e94f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>, druck
> >    <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> >> On 5 Oct 2008 Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> >>> In article <5xt*IT+ns@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo Markettos
> >>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> >>>> CallWin32 by Niall Douglas

> >>> Right I've found that but it is all a bit confusing as what needs to
> >>> be done.

> >>> Has anyone got this working on VRPC RISC OS 4.02?

> >> Yes, now ask a better question!

> > Okay then, what does a non-techie like myself need to do, step by step,
> > to get this to work?

> Follow the instructions which it is provided with, or type "callwin32
> installation" in to google.

I've found the instructions at:

http://www.nedprod.com/programs/RISC-OS/CallWin32/Docs/index.html

but noticed the following comment halfway down the page:

"One very useful thing which I won't be doing is exposing the Win32
clipboard to RISC-OS. It's not difficult for basic things like text
(graphics are a bit harder), but someone else can do it. I suggest a little
window with an icon you can drag out (import clipboard) and drag into
(export clipboard)."

Does that mean I can't copy from Windows to VRPC?

Michael

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chappell (302)
10/11/2008 9:19:04 PM
Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:

> In article <ba6430ea4f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>, druck

> > Follow the instructions which it is provided with, or type "callwin32
> > installation" in to google.
> 
> I've found the instructions at:
> 
> http://www.nedprod.com/programs/RISC-OS/CallWin32/Docs/index.html
> 
> but noticed the following comment halfway down the page:
> 
> "One very useful thing which I won't be doing is exposing the Win32
> clipboard to RISC-OS. It's not difficult for basic things like text
> (graphics are a bit harder), but someone else can do it. I suggest a
> little window with an icon you can drag out (import clipboard) and drag
> into (export clipboard)."
> 
> Does that mean I can't copy from Windows to VRPC?

It means the author of CallWin32 was not going to write the code required
for clipboard operations, that is now done by !WinClip 0.22.    

http://www.borcherds.co.uk/murklesoft/riscos/winclip.html

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news7066 (1533)
10/12/2008 5:59:47 AM
In article <gemini.k8m3bn000uuz80170.news@pittdj.co.uk>,
   David Pitt <news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:

> > In article <ba6430ea4f.druck@druck.freeuk.net>, druck

> > > Follow the instructions which it is provided with, or type "callwin32
> > > installation" in to google.
> > 
> > I've found the instructions at:
> > 
> > http://www.nedprod.com/programs/RISC-OS/CallWin32/Docs/index.html
> > 
> > but noticed the following comment halfway down the page:
> > 
> > "One very useful thing which I won't be doing is exposing the Win32
> > clipboard to RISC-OS. It's not difficult for basic things like text
> > (graphics are a bit harder), but someone else can do it. I suggest a
> > little window with an icon you can drag out (import clipboard) and drag
> > into (export clipboard)."
> > 
> > Does that mean I can't copy from Windows to VRPC?

> It means the author of CallWin32 was not going to write the code required
> for clipboard operations, that is now done by !WinClip 0.22.    

> http://www.borcherds.co.uk/murklesoft/riscos/winclip.html

I think I'm back to my original query then  :o(

I have Winclip 0.22 which means I can copy from Windows to RISC OS but I
would like to do it the other way (RISC OS to Windows). Is this possible in
VRPC-SA?

Michael

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chappell (302)
10/12/2008 10:03:45 AM
Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:

[snip]

> > http://www.borcherds.co.uk/murklesoft/riscos/winclip.html
> 
> I think I'm back to my original query then  :o(
> 
> I have Winclip 0.22 which means I can copy from Windows to RISC OS but I
> would like to do it the other way (RISC OS to Windows). Is this possible
> in VRPC-SA?

Looking back through the thread, that is with OS4.02 on VRPC. It works here
in both directions using OS4.39 on VRPC.   

What happens on copying to the global clipboard on OS4.02, here on OS4.39,
on a copy from StrongED I see the WinClip icon change to text.
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news7066 (1533)
10/12/2008 10:29:41 AM
In article <gemini.k8mftg000o3kf0158.news@pittdj.co.uk>, David Pitt
<news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:

> [snip]

> > > http://www.borcherds.co.uk/murklesoft/riscos/winclip.html
> > 
> > I think I'm back to my original query then  :o(
> > 
> > I have Winclip 0.22 which means I can copy from Windows to RISC OS but
> > I would like to do it the other way (RISC OS to Windows). Is this
> > possible in VRPC-SA?

> Looking back through the thread, that is with OS4.02 on VRPC. It works
> here in both directions using OS4.39 on VRPC.  

I'm wondering whether it is to do with the global clipboard option within
RISC OS that was implemented after version 4.02 

> What happens on copying to the global clipboard on OS4.02, here on
> OS4.39, on a copy from StrongED I see the WinClip icon change to text.

I'm using Zap rather than StrongEd so I presume that should do the same
thing but the Win clip icon doesn't change (it appears on the icon bar as
an icon of a page with a question mark in it). If I copy something in
Windows then it does change to a text icon but not if I try and copy
something.

On your working model, when you have copied something via Winclip in VRPC,
does that put it into Window's global clipboard?

Michael

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chappell (302)
10/12/2008 10:52:28 AM
In article <4fed115e86chappell@anotherday.me.uk>,
   Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> I'm using Zap rather than StrongEd so I presume that should do the same
> thing but the Win clip icon doesn't change (it appears on the icon bar as
> an icon of a page with a question mark in it). If I copy something in
> Windows then it does change to a text icon but not if I try and copy
> something.

Sorry, that last sentence should end with 'copy something in VRPC'

Michael

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chappell (302)
10/12/2008 11:07:30 AM
Michael Chappell <chappell@ukgateway.net> wrote:

> In article <gemini.k8mftg000o3kf0158.news@pittdj.co.uk>, David Pitt
> <news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

[snip - VRPC, OS4.02 - WinClip - unable to copy from OS4.02 to Windows]

> I'm wondering whether it is to do with the global clipboard option within
> RISC OS that was implemented after version 4.02

OS4.04 does have a global clipboard, Select added support for copying from
and pasting to icons, and made !Edit use the global clipboard.
 
> > What happens on copying to the global clipboard on OS4.02, here on
> > OS4.39, on a copy from StrongED I see the WinClip icon change to text.
> 
> I'm using Zap rather than StrongEd so I presume that should do the same
> thing but the Win clip icon doesn't change (it appears on the icon bar as
> an icon of a page with a question mark in it). If I copy something in
> Windows then it does change to a text icon but not if I try and copy
> something.

I do not have Zap on my VRPC installations so will have to come back to that
later. I am not a Zap person but as far as I can see CTRL-E does copy to the
global clipboard, at least I could paste via the global clipboard into
StrongED. 
> 
> On your working model, when you have copied something via Winclip in VRPC,
> does that put it into Window's global clipboard?

Yes, the copy made it into Notepad.

Sorry, but I am timed out for today. I will delve further tomorrow.

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news7066 (1533)
10/12/2008 11:59:58 AM
In article <gemini.k8mjzy000tdlv02iw.news@pittdj.co.uk>, David Pitt
<news@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> > I'm using Zap rather than StrongEd so I presume that should do the same
> > thing but the Win clip icon doesn't change (it appears on the icon bar
> > as an icon of a page with a question mark in it). If I copy something
> > in Windows then it does change to a text icon but not if I try and copy
> > something.

> I do not have Zap on my VRPC installations so will have to come back to
> that later. I am not a Zap person but as far as I can see CTRL-E does
> copy to the global clipboard, at least I could paste via the global
> clipboard into StrongED. 
> > 
> > On your working model, when you have copied something via Winclip in
> > VRPC, does that put it into Window's global clipboard?

> Yes, the copy made it into Notepad.

> Sorry, but I am timed out for today. I will delve further tomorrow.

Thanks for your help David.

Reading what you put made me try another tack and I've got it to work! I'm
not sure if it is the only way so I'll put the steps down in case others
know a quicker way.

1. Copy text into a Zap window and save the Zap file onto the backdrop and
call it something like 'Selection'.

2. Drag 'Selection' from the desktop onto the Winclip icon on the icon bar.

3. Go to the Windows side and then just do Ctl-V and it pastes it!

I know it's a small thing but it was the only 'wish-list' thing I needed
from VRPC so I'm now a happy bunny  :o)

Thanks to everyone for their help, especially the two Davids

Best wishes,

Michael

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10/12/2008 1:56:17 PM
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i-cubed EtherLan 600: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5101336155 IBM 586 (100 MHz) card: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5101337088 RISC OS 3.50: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5101348173 RISC OS 4.02: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5101349126 Risc PC: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5101360766 StrongARM card: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5101361862 Texas Instruments 486-SLC (40 MHz): http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5101363515 Everything in good, near perfect condition unless stated otherwise. I'm selling from Germany, but I'll deliver to UK as well. Oversea on request. Please get in touch for shipping cost in those cases. -- Stefan Bellon On 10 Jun, I wrote: > StrongARM card: > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5101361862 I announced this offer without RISC OS 3.70 ROMs because I didn't find the ones belonging to the card. In the meantime I have found them. This offer will include the RISC OS 3.70 ROM set. -- Stefan Bellon ...

Hardware details 100$ laptop
http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Hardware_specification so 1200x900 TFT, 5 W consumption (1/2 A @ 10V, 22Ah battery, makes <4 hours on NiMH). AMD Geode 1.1 W processor, FLASH..... no harddisk. The flash is small. What will the kids do? Play DivX on it? 400MHz, should be possible in 352x288... wireless, audio, Linux OS. ...

FC5 on a Laptop --- disabling hardware
I wonder if there is a way I could have good control over the various hardware components, so that I can disable them selectively. In particular, on my Toshiba A100 Satellite Notebook (and in general on all notebooks), the mouse pad not only annoys me in a way that I don't believe words could ever describe, but in addition to annoy me, I have a strong suspicion that it's making my system unstable --- in the last week alone, I have had to PUSH THE POWER BUTTON to recover from a complete GUI freeze in three occasions --- in some of the cases, the USB mouse that I put froz...

Laptop to Laptop by Wireless
Hi Everyone I need some help with a question please? Me and a couple of mates have Wireless Laptops and wanna set up a LAN. Is it possible to do this without going thru a router, kinda like running a "Virtual Router" or something on one laptop and the others connect into it? If it helps we wanna play Civ 3 Conquests Multiplayer, I am pretty sure it either uses TCP/IP. I have set up normal cable networks before at home and have done a quick Google on it to no avail! I have ordered a Netger WGT634UK for the home ready, but this is just if we are at work and wanna have a quick go. ...

Acorn Electron hardware wanted
Folks Forgive what may be an intrusion but if anyone is prepared to sell any Acorn Electron hardware in particular an (original L-shaped) Acorn Plus 3, please reply to this. Cheers On 20 Jan 2006 as I do recall, JCC wrote: > Folks > > Forgive what may be an intrusion but if anyone is prepared to sell any Acorn > Electron hardware in particular an (original L-shaped) Acorn Plus 3, please > reply to this. > These are the correct groups, but comp.sys.acorn.hardware might be even better... :-) -- Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie == ...

laptop to laptop copy???
What is the best software (cable) etc to copy the contents of one laptop to another laptop?? I think it use to be "laplink" very expensive avenue!!! Or Bobs copier! Is there a cheaper way to do it. Will laplink actually copy contents of an older laptop such as Toshiba Satelite 20CDT to a newer laptops such as a P4 Notepad with a 20gig HDD in it ???? Joe ********************************************************** * Ham KH6JF AARS/MARS ABM6JF QCWA WW2 VET WD RADIO SYSTEM* * Army MARS PRECEDED by AARS (Army Amateur Radio System) * * Hi State ARMY MARS COORDINATOR * ********************************************************** Joseph Fenn <jfenn@lava.net> writes: > What is the best software (cable) etc to copy the contents of one > laptop to another laptop?? I think it use to be "laplink" very > expensive avenue!!! Or Bobs copier! Is there a cheaper way > to do it. Will laplink actually copy contents of an older laptop > such as Toshiba Satelite 20CDT to a newer laptops such as > a P4 Notepad with a 20gig HDD in it ???? Normally these days you'd use ethernet for something like that. Copying that much data through a serial port would take forever. On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:12:55 -1000, Joseph Fenn wrote: > What is the best software (cable) etc to copy the contents of one > laptop to another laptop?? I think it use to be "laplink" very > expensive avenue!!! Or Bobs...

Laptop to Laptop by Wireless
Hi Everyone I need some help with a question please? Me and a couple of mates have Wireless Laptops and wanna set up a LAN. Is it possible to do this without going thru a router, kinda like running a "Virtual Router" or something on one laptop and the others connect into it? If it helps we wanna play Civ 3 Conquests Multiplayer, I am pretty sure it either uses TCP/IP. I have set up normal cable networks before at home and have done a quick Google on it to no avail! I have ordered a Netger WGT634UK for the home ready, but this is just if we are at work and wanna have a quick go. ...

FS: All manner of Acorn Hardware
Hi all I'm loosing my room at my parents, which means my collection of Acorn stuff has to go! This includes but is not limited to some of the following; A5000, standard, old college machine A3000, with external hard drive and a 5 1/4" floppy disc (this machine i love, grew up with it but have no where to put it), also has a network card RISC PC 700, another ex college one, works, think i might have put a strong arm and PC card in it. Acorn electron, with tapes and two power supplies Star dot matrix printer for the acorn, includes at least one ink ribbon All kinds of miscellaneous hard ware for a BBC b/master including; CUB monitor, various tape decks and modems, floppy drives Pile of Acorn User magazines (about 30 of) Bigger pile of manuals, probably in the region of 20 manuals and software packs Miscellaneous boxes of software on low density floppies See the following for piccies, this is not everything, and not everything pictured is available http://s297.photobucket.com/albums/mm230/vannystick/ Would prefer for the whole lot to go in one go but don't expect it, and I would like to see token gestures of cash for them. Not able to post at the moment, located on the Wirral but can also be collected from Liverpool with sufficient warning. Needs to go in the next two weeks, so offered here, then eBay, then the tip! I'd have thought ebay would be best as there has not been that much Acorn/RISC OS stuff on there for a while, so prices should be good. Also, if ...

Free laptop or pc hardware
Just follow this link http://www.pctech4free.com/default.aspx?ref35560 This is what you can get Corsair XMX 1GB DDR (Refer 5 Friends) $300 Cashiers Check (Refer 6 Friends) PC Bundle (Refer 8 Friends) ATI Radeon X800PRO (Refer 9 Friends) Compaq Presario (Refer 17 Friends) -- Jay ...

WANTED: Acorn A4 laptop
Hello! Does anyone have one of these (preferably working, but most things considered - not fussed about battery condition) that they would like to part with? Thanks Ian Hawkins On Saturday, July 19, 2014 1:50:53 AM UTC+10, piem...@googlemail.com wrote: > Hello! > > > > Does anyone have one of these (preferably working, but most things considered - not fussed about battery condition) that they would like to part with? > > > > Thanks > > > > Ian Hawkins I do, it booted up with a bit of help from the 'R' key. Its got a 500M drive & 4M RAM. Atomwide parallel Ethernet (DCI2 only) Acorn Econet. It hasn't done much work since I repacked the batteries but that was 15 years ago. I think it has original packaging too. Its also in Australia. I am ajw at bigblue. net. au Its 01-AKB64-1011042 (hand picked for its serial number) Its pretty grubby. Alan Brilliant, sending you an email :-) ...

DLL errors: The hardware, the hardware, it's ALWAYS the hardware...
As John stated in the DLL Hell thread: "Really? How many of those links are cases of "DLL Hell'? Thats where a program replaces an existing Windows DLL with its version. All these are a bunch of links where a DLL is missing or corrupted. Its a pretty safe bet that 10.3 also will suffer from missing or corrupted files due to disk problems. As evidenced by the frequent need to trash certain programs preference files." This is the age-old "cheap unreliable hardware" argument that John always runs back to when cornered about Windows' shortcomings. Isn't it interesting that whenever Mac advocates bring up Apple's unique ability to integrate high-quality hardware and software, the Winidiots always blast Apple for not selling cheap commodity hardware? Yet whenever Windows has a problem, the Winidiots always seem to blame it on "cheap hardware." Some Winidiot always loudly trumpets the fact that "you can get PC system X down at Fry's for $499," but whenever Windows fucks up, the excuse is "well, what do you expect from a bargain basement PC?" You can't have it both ways, kids. Either cheap hardware is a benefit, or it's a curse. It's been proven that Apple's high end machines (Dual G5s) have a significant price/performance advantage over dual Xeon systems, yet Wintel lovers like to whine about how expensive Macs are. If you combine this with the fact that...

Migrating laptop linux to new hardware
Hi, I'm running a routeur at home on a laptop (broken screen) using RH9, and want to transfer that to a proper desktop computer. I don't think the hardware detection/reconfiguration is a problem. My main worry is how to transfer the actual system from the laptop disk to a normal disk. This is because I can't plug the new drive into the laptop or can't take out the laptop drive to plug it in to a desktop computer. The possibilities I can forsee are using my LAN on which I have another Linux box into which I can plugin the new harddrive. How do I do this? What kind of problems w...

Acorn A4 laptop
Hi, I've just bought two Acorn A4 laptops, one working and in good condition (allegedly), the other displaying some signs of extensive usage ("battle scars"). Unfortunately, the battle-scarred A4 has a dead CMOS battery (according to its former owner). Thankfully, the �25 display connector cable is (allegedly) in one piece (i.e. the display works). Does anyone know of a source for a replacement CMOS battery for an Acorn A4? What sort of battery does it need? Finally, what are the symptoms of a dead CMOS battery? Besides the obvious, are there any other little gotchas I should be aware of when using/repairing an Acorn A4? I know the battery packs are shot to heck, so they'll need rebuilding. Has anyone produced a step-by-step "How to rebuild Acorn A4 battery packs" guide, preferably with photos? BTW, I don't have the machines anywhere near me ATM. They're currently in the hands of the delivery company - they're supposed to arrive at some point tomorrow. I'd just like to know if there's anything I need to check (besides the usual "is it in one piece" stuff) when the machines arrive. Thanks, -- Phil. | Acorn RiscPC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, philpem@despammed.com (valid address)| ViewFinder, Ethernet (Acorn AEH62), http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 8xCD, framegrabber, Teletext Strike any user when ready. Philip Pemberton <philpem@despammed.com> wrote: > Hi, > Do...

REQ: Acorn A4 Laptop Manuals!!!!!
I recently got my hands on the Acorn A4 laptop, but i could realy do with some documentation on how to use the operating system. I used the A3000 about ten years ago, but I can only just about manage 2 load Draw. If you have any manuals in PDF format or know where i might get anything like this, it would be a great help, if you could e-mail me and let me know. Thanks gary.busey@virgin.net Hi, On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, skok wrote: > In nuus:aqftivcubvluotsh72ts7auue13lju11d5@4ax.com, > tik Supernaut1979 <gary.busey@virgin.net>: > > I recently got my hands on the Acorn A4 laptop...

Problem loading Oper Sys on reformatted laptop
I am a volunteer with AARP Tax-Aide. We do free tax prep for elderly We were given a couple of older laptops. These units had the dar drive reformatted to wipe out all data before we received them. Whe I turned on the machine I got a non-system disk error. I put in startup disk and I got the A drive prompt. So far so good. I have a Cd Drive. I put in the CD. I cannot get the prompt to chang to the CD Drive. I NEED HELP "PhilD" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message news:LMe5f.290$Hm3.106@fe09.news.easynews.com... >I am a volunteer with AARP Tax-Aide. We do free tax prep for elderly. > > We were given a couple of older laptops. These units had the dard > drive reformatted to wipe out all data before we received them. When > I turned on the machine I got a non-system disk error. I put in a > startup disk and I got the A drive prompt. So far so good. > > I have a Cd Drive. I put in the CD. I cannot get the prompt to change > to the CD Drive. I NEED HELP. > After pressing the power button, use F2, Del, Esc, F10, (depending on the computer) to access BIOS setup. Change the boot order to CD first, providing that the CD is bootable. Hopefully, the CD is an operating system installation CD. Q >I am a volunteer with AARP Tax-Aide. We do free tax prep for elderly. > >We were given a couple of older laptops. These units had the dard >drive reformatted to wipe out all data before we received them. When >I turned...

Misc Acorn/BBC Hardware/Software up for free.
Hi Guys, I have been a keen retro computing enthusiast for as long as I can remember however I have no come to a point where I can no longer store the stuff I have. I have been slowly but surely giving things away over the last few year. I still have quite a few bits which as I uncover them whilst sorting the loft/garage/cupboards etc, I am starting to list and wondered if you or people you know might be interested in any of it. So I guess comes the shameless plug as I am listing it on my 'free to a good home' site called AnyGoodToYou.com where we have specifically set up a section for Vintage / classic hardware. Hope you can help as I really don't want this stuff to end up at the local WEEE dump. Cheers Allan ...

kenel sets sys clock from hardware clock??
Can anybody confirm that the kernel, itself, updates the system clock from the hardware clock when loading? (Fedora Core 4, kernel 2.6.11) Even if I eliminate the entire boot process (no init process, no rc.sysinit, no init scripts, nothing beyond the kernel and shell), when I check the system clock ("date" command) it reflects the hardware clock value shown in bios/setup. (I bypass the boot process by passing "init=/bin/bash" to the kernel via the bootloader.) rc.sysinit script is usually viewed as holding the role of applying hardware time to the system clock but its e...

HP Pavilion laptop hardware problem
I have a 2 year old hp pavilion zt3000 laptop. Last week the LCD screen stopped working properly. All of the white space in all programs, internet, outlook, word, excel, windows - is all bright magenta pink. All jpeg files have bright green dots - which looks a little like heat sensors. I plugged a PC screen in to see if it was a driver problem, but the plugged in screen worked fine. So, it isolated the screen as the problem. Since then, I've spoken to HP who think the LCD screen needs replacing at a cost to me of $600 (which just isn't acceptable as it is only 2 years old) Yesterday, the screen went back to nornal for 4 hours, and then just flashed back to being pink (and pics green) with absolutely no rhyme or reason. My knowledge of computers doesn't go much further beyond installing programs and using this thing for internet and word processing. Can anyone diagnose in laymans terms - what might be wrong with this laptop, and what I can do to fix it?? I'm worried that if I send it away, the technician might just see that the screen isn't working and quote to replace the screen without really looking at what is causing the problem. Any advice would help! I really don't want to replace the computer - I'd really like to get to the bottom of the issue. Thanks!! Because the screen itself reverted back to correct operation for a while, I do not think the problem is in the screen itself, but instead in the inverter which takes the signal fr...

Laptop Lottery
www.urhookup.com is sponsoring a Laptop Lottery. One winner will walk away with a new Sony Vaio K14 Laptop. Check out the site for details. Officially starts Aug 1st, but selling tickets effective now. Each ticket is $1.00 - No limit on how many. Drawing held at Rgate Lutherin Church by Pastor Bradley & the winner (if not present) will be notified that afternoon. UrHookUp.com, Inc. "Come Get Hooked Up!" www.urhookup.com ...

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