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..Scoop!! Pc hardware runs amiga software faster than amiga hardware!!

its true..
heres the proof..
http://www.totalamiga.org/bts.html

Who can refute this evidence?




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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:40:30 +0800, "MrJumbles"
<fauxbrick1@hotmail.com> wrote:

>its true..
>heres the proof..
>http://www.totalamiga.org/bts.html
>
>Who can refute this evidence?

and yes, amithlon is great Amiga on PC :)
>
>
>

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tuxcam (2)
8/17/2003 10:05:11 AM
"Sam Smith" <sam@potionp.co.uk> wrote in news:bhvmoa$cle$1$8300dec7
@news.demon.co.uk:

> What a shame you can't get Amithlon anymore though :(

That's not entirely accurate.  Amithlon is no longer being *developed*, 
but H&P will happily sell it to you (even though their legal right to 
do so has been contested by Amiga Inc).

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/20/2003 2:44:08 PM
Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 222 340736 <Xns93DD58D1B40D2gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159> article retrieved - body follows
> "Sam Smith" <sam@potionp.co.uk> wrote in news:bhvmoa$cle$1$8300dec7
> @news.demon.co.uk:
> 
> > What a shame you can't get Amithlon anymore though :(
> 
> That's not entirely accurate.  Amithlon is no longer being *developed*, 
> but H&P will happily sell it to you (even though their legal right to 
> do so has been contested by Amiga Inc).

Ethical meter dead again? What about your support for Amiga
developers like "Bernd Meyer"?

Terry


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tpalfrey (1197)
8/20/2003 11:14:44 PM
tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote in
news:93629742203@a1a65803.sympatico.bconnected.net: 

> Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> 222 340736 <Xns93DD58D1B40D2gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159> article
>> retrieved - body follows "Sam Smith" <sam@potionp.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:bhvmoa$cle$1$8300dec7 @news.demon.co.uk:
>> 
>> > What a shame you can't get Amithlon anymore though :(
>> 
>> That's not entirely accurate.  Amithlon is no longer being
>> *developed*, but H&P will happily sell it to you (even though
>> their legal right to do so has been contested by Amiga Inc).
> 
> Ethical meter dead again? What about your support for Amiga
> developers like "Bernd Meyer"?

What are you blathering about now, TerryTroll?  If you would care to 
read what I said you would notice that I was very careful not to 
state my opinion or impart any judgement on the matter (for fear of 
awakening the troll) - i.e. I made a very simple statement of fact 
without taking sides.  (Granted, reporting that Amithlon is still 
available for sale *could* be construed as supporting H&P, but I 
sincerely doubt that you would be bright enough to make that 
connection.)  So tell us, TerryTroll, why did you choose this moment 
to soil c.s.a.a with your trolling?

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/22/2003 12:13:14 AM
On 20 Aug 03 16:14:44, tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote:

>Ethical meter dead again? What about your support for Amiga
>developers like "Bernd Meyer"?

Yes, Terry, what about it?  Do give us your take on this situation.
Perhaps you'll try not to chime in unison with your master and mentor.


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Noel
8/22/2003 12:24:29 AM
"Noel" writes:
 
> On 20 Aug 03 16:14:44, tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote:

> >Ethical meter dead again? What about your support for Amiga
> >developers like "Bernd Meyer"?

> Yes, Terry, what about it?  Do give us your take on this situation.
> Perhaps you'll try not to chime in unison with your master and mentor.

My position is on record.

Your tag team buddy seems to be ducking the question.

Terry

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tpalfrey (1197)
8/22/2003 9:56:49 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

> tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote in
> news:93629742203@a1a65803.sympatico.bconnected.net: 

> > Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> 222 340736 <Xns93DD58D1B40D2gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159> article
> >> retrieved - body follows "Sam Smith" <sam@potionp.co.uk> wrote in
> >> news:bhvmoa$cle$1$8300dec7 @news.demon.co.uk:

> >> > What a shame you can't get Amithlon anymore though :(
 
> >> That's not entirely accurate.  Amithlon is no longer being
> >> *developed*, but H&P will happily sell it to you (even though
> >> their legal right to do so has been contested by Amiga Inc).

> > Ethical meter dead again? What about your support for Amiga
> > developers like "Bernd Meyer"?
 
> What are you blathering about now, TerryTroll?  If you would care to 
> read what I said you would notice that I was very careful not to 
> state my opinion or impart any judgement on the matter (for fear of 
> awakening the troll) - i.e. I made a very simple statement of fact 
> without taking sides.  (Granted, reporting that Amithlon is still 
> available for sale *could* be construed as supporting H&P, but I 
> sincerely doubt that you would be bright enough to make that 
> connection.)  So tell us, TerryTroll, why did you choose this moment 
> to soil c.s.a.a with your trolling?

Ah, the `welcher' troll at his best. 

The question was about your ethical meter, is it dead?

You seem to be hypocritically blind to the position you were
so recently advancing as a foil to your nemesis `Steve, the
anti-Amigan troll'.

As for trolling, a simple e-mail would have avoided my attention
to your total about face and betrayal of loyalty to someone you
trumpeted as an example of what the Amiga community needs more
of.

What next? Will you accuse Dave Haynie of not doing enough?

No one cares what you say.

Terry
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tpalfrey (1197)
8/22/2003 10:05:13 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
news:w0.o0.1R2r2kJar4dFaGe.NR@zool.com: 

> "Noel" writes:
>  
>> On 20 Aug 03 16:14:44, tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote:
> 
>> >Ethical meter dead again? What about your support for Amiga
>> >developers like "Bernd Meyer"?
> 
>> Yes, Terry, what about it?  Do give us your take on this
>> situation. Perhaps you'll try not to chime in unison with your
>> master and mentor. 
> 
> My position is on record.

Is it now?!  Perhaps you could provide us with a link to this record 
you've made.  Every time I've asked for you opinion on the matter 
you've quickly changed the subject.

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/22/2003 2:31:00 PM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
news:51.z0.1R2u2ZWar4dnjLe.NR@zool.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>> What are you blathering about now, TerryTroll?  If you would care
>> to read what I said you would notice that I was very careful not
>> to state my opinion or impart any judgement on the matter (for
>> fear of awakening the troll) - i.e. I made a very simple
>> statement of fact without taking sides.  (Granted, reporting that
>> Amithlon is still available for sale *could* be construed as
>> supporting H&P, but I sincerely doubt that you would be bright
>> enough to make that connection.)  So tell us, TerryTroll, why did
>> you choose this moment to soil c.s.a.a with your trolling?
> 
> Ah, the `welcher' troll at his best. 

You are the one who ran away from the challenge, remember?

> The question was about your ethical meter, is it dead?

You questioning me about ethics?  Too funny!

> You seem to be hypocritically blind to the position you were
> so recently advancing as a foil to your nemesis `Steve, the
> anti-Amigan troll'.

My opinion hasn't changed.  Like I said, I simply didn't want to 
awaken the troll - a goal I failed to meet.

> As for trolling, a simple e-mail would have avoided my attention
> to your total about face and betrayal of loyalty to someone you
> trumpeted as an example of what the Amiga community needs more
> of.

You have the reading skills of a seven-year-old...

> What next? Will you accuse Dave Haynie of not doing enough?
> 
> No one cares what you say.

....and all the maturity of a spoiled rotten four-year-old.  So which 
is it, TerryTroll?  Are you a precocious four-year-old or a retarded 
seven-year-old?  In either case, why don't you come back when you're 
15 or so and I'll try to explain it to you.

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/22/2003 2:45:12 PM
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:56:49 -0000, "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com>
wrote:

>My position is on record.

Your position is more like a broken record.

>Your tag team buddy seems to be ducking the question.

What are you on about.  Try answering the question. What are YOUR
substantiated allegations with regard to Bernd, or are they the same
unsubstantiated nonsense SG trots out with depressing regularity?


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Noel
8/22/2003 9:32:32 PM
"Noel" writes:

> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:56:49 -0000, "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com>
> wrote:
 
> >My position is on record.
 
> Your position is more like a broken record.

> >Your tag team buddy seems to be ducking the question.
 
> What are you on about.  

Gary Beeton's `ethical meter' seems to be broken.

> Try answering the question. 

Which one? The one you are covering your tag team buddy
on or the one about Steve who actually is not part of my
observation at all? Your attempt at non sequitur.

>What are YOUR substantiated allegations with regard to Bernd, 
>or are they the same unsubstantiated nonsense SG trots out 
>with depressing regularity?

"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

Do you see the similarity at all between that unanswerable
nastiness and your attempt to divert attention from Gary's
previous high moral stance about the dirt done to Bernd,
a reputable Amiga developer and his new position of advising
people to buy from H&P?

Please pay attention to the actual content of the posts you
read and not to the little voices in your head or we'll have
to reactivate the `Reading for Comprehension' thread again. 


Terry

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tpalfrey (1197)
8/23/2003 12:42:24 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
>news:51.z0.1R2u2ZWar4dnjLe.NR@zool.com: 

>> "Gary Beeton" writes:

>>> What are you blathering about now, TerryTroll?  If you would care
>>> to read what I said you would notice that I was very careful not
>>> to state my opinion or impart any judgement on the matter (for
>>> fear of awakening the troll) - i.e. I made a very simple
>>> statement of fact without taking sides.  (Granted, reporting that
>>> Amithlon is still available for sale *could* be construed as
>>> supporting H&P, but I sincerely doubt that you would be bright
>>> enough to make that connection.)  So tell us, TerryTroll, why did
>>> you choose this moment to soil c.s.a.a with your trolling?

>> Ah, the `welcher' troll at his best. 

>You are the one who ran away from the challenge, remember?

You put up twenty bucks not me. There were no time limits,
set publication dates or such mentioned. I offered my opinion
on the various aspects of the issues and was not refuted by
any of the parties involved nor was there any challenge to 
the premise I held that there was not enough information 
provided by any of the parties to even begin to sort out
what happened.

You forgot what you said and were unable to google a reference
and switched to other inane tactics reminiscent of your infamous
`chicken little' tirades about fascist dictators in public 
newsgroups.

I simply `tuned' you out for a time. You call that, running
away, I call it, spam filtering.

>> The question was about your ethical meter, is it dead?

>You questioning me about ethics?  Too funny!

I guess you no longer support Bernd in his struggle with
H&P over his IP contribution to the Amiga community. What
changed?

>> You seem to be hypocritically blind to the position you were
>> so recently advancing as a foil to your nemesis `Steve, the
>> anti-Amigan troll'.

>My opinion hasn't changed.  Like I said, I simply didn't want to 
>awaken the troll - a goal I failed to meet.

Oh, now it is okay to let an Amiga developer get hung out to dry.

>> As for trolling, a simple e-mail would have avoided my attention
>> to your total about face and betrayal of loyalty to someone you
>> trumpeted as an example of what the Amiga community needs more
>> of.

>You have the reading skills of a seven-year-old...

At least I have reading skills. You can't seem to reply to the
simplest of questions. It seems almost pathalogical the way you
misdirect attention from yourself.

>> What next? Will you accuse Dave Haynie of not doing enough?

>> No one cares what you say.

>....and all the maturity of a spoiled rotten four-year-old.  So which 
>is it, TerryTroll?  Are you a precocious four-year-old or a retarded 
>seven-year-old?  In either case, why don't you come back when you're 
>5 or so and I'll try to explain it to you.

Right, nice dodge.

Say, Gary, tell us all again about your all powerful A4K that you left
the ram on the motherboard for for the bragging rights. The one that you
are too lazy to plug your cable in to prove you actually still have an A4K.

Terry
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tpalfrey (1197)
8/23/2003 12:59:06 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
news:K1.E1.1R22HaekdrcH39e.NR@zool.com: 

> "Noel" writes:
> 
>> What are you on about.  
> 
> Gary Beeton's `ethical meter' seems to be broken.

You would be the worst possible person to judge any 
question of
ethics. 

> "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"
> 
> Do you see the similarity at all between that 
unanswerable
> nastiness and your attempt to divert attention from 
Gary's
> previous high moral stance about the dirt done to Bernd,
> a reputable Amiga developer and his new position of 
advising
> people to buy from H&P?

I see you are back to your favourite sleazy trick of 
trying to
attribute me with things I did not say, intend, or imply 
in any way.
 Now, what was it you were saying about ethics, TrollBoy? 

> Please pay attention to the actual content of the posts 
you
> read and not to the little voices in your head

Please repeat that into a mirror 5000 times.

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/23/2003 6:16:25 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote in news:93631055415
>@a1a65803.sympatico.bconnected.net:

>> Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>222 340748 <Xns93DF5696B40E5gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159> 
>>>article retrieved - body follows
>>>"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
>>>news:w0.o0.1R2r2kJar4dFaGe.NR@zool.com: 
  
>>>>My position is on record.
 
>>> Is it now?!  
 
>> I believe, oh artful dodger, the question to you remains;
>> "is your ethical meter dead"?

>I answered that already.  Please do try to keep up.

Actually you didn't - you made a little ad hominem attack
and answered nothing.

>>>Perhaps you could provide us with a link to this record 
>>>you've made.  Every time I've asked for you opinion on 
>>>the matter  you've quickly changed the subject.
 
>> You've proven yourself to be a lost cause when it comes
>> to any statements, disavowing your own and twisting 
>> everyone else's.

>Another not-so-artfull dodge from the master!  Please just 
>answer the question, TerryTroll:  Where is this record of 
>your position on Amithlon's legality?

Unlike yours, which was declared and abandoned already, along
with your support for Bernd Meyer, mine remains at exactly the
spot it was before. I and most others on the net that might be
concerned about the issue do not have near enough information
with regards to the actual contracts, discussions and agreements
made by the parties. For you to maintain otherwise is simply
another example of your misdirection.

Terry



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tpalfrey (1197)
8/23/2003 6:36:16 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
news:e1.U1.1R2EHpCkdrc1rAe.NR@zool.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>>You are the one who ran away from the challenge, remember?
> 
> You put up twenty bucks not me.

Yes, TerryTroll, I know that.  The $20 was "put up" as incentive for 
you to state an opinion.  You ran away.

> There were no time limits, set publication dates or such mentioned.

Are you trying to tell me that you may yet develop a backbone???  I'm 
not holding my breath!

> I offered my opinion on the various aspects of the issues

You've been asked repeatedly to provide a URL or message ID to prove 
this claim.  You have repeatedly run away.  Put up or shut up, 
TrollBoy.

> I simply `tuned' you out for a time.

Please go tune out the real world again for a while.  It was quite 
pleasant here in c.s.a.a without your incessant lies and trolling.

>>You questioning me about ethics?  Too funny!
> 
> I guess you no longer support Bernd in his struggle with
> H&P over his IP contribution to the Amiga community.

You guessed wrong.  Perhaps you should try reading what I wrote 
instead of making more of your infamous wild assed guesses. 

> Oh, now it is okay to let an Amiga developer get hung out to dry.

Why would you think that???  What have you got against Amiga 
developers?

>>You have the reading skills of a seven-year-old...
> 
> At least I have reading skills.

No you don't.  If you had you would be embarrassing yourself like 
this.

>>....and all the maturity of a spoiled rotten four-year-old.  So
>>which is it, TerryTroll?  Are you a precocious four-year-old or a
>>retarded seven-year-old?  In either case, why don't you come back
>>when you're 5 or so and I'll try to explain it to you.
> 
> Right, nice dodge.

Please answer the question.

> Terry
>  
> The "From:" address has been ROT13d as an antiSPAM measure

Liar!

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/23/2003 7:00:14 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in 
news:g2.a2.2R2nMaakrvedm3g.NR@zool.com:

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>>tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote in news:93631055415
>>@a1a65803.sympatico.bconnected.net:
> 
>>> I believe, oh artful dodger, the question to you remains;
>>> "is your ethical meter dead"?
> 
>>I answered that already.  Please do try to keep up.
> 
> Actually you didn't

Sorry, I keep forgetting how utterly hopeless you are at 
comprehending what people say.  Please let me spell it out for you in 
terms that even you may possibly be able to understand (although I 
doubt it):  No.

>>Another not-so-artfull dodge from the master!  Please just 
>>answer the question, TerryTroll:  Where is this record of 
>>your position on Amithlon's legality?
> 
> Unlike yours, which was declared and abandoned already, along
> with your support for Bernd Meyer,

Your revisionary tactics won't help you here, TerryTroll.  You are a 
fucking liar and everybody knows it.

> mine remains at exactly the spot it was before.

La La Land doesn't count, TrollBoy.  Post a URL or message ID or shut 
the fuck up.


-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/23/2003 7:16:16 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in 
news:o2.j2.2R2tMHBkrveqs3g.NR@zool.com:

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>>You would be the worst possible person to judge any 
>>question of ethics. 
> 
> That would be a reference again to the answer you
> provided about the working condition of your ethical
> meter?

No, TrollBoy, that would be a reference to the fact that you are the 
lease ethical person I have ever encountered.  And that includes 
Steve!

>>I see you are back to your favourite sleazy trick of 
>>trying to attribute me with things I did not say, 
>>intend, or imply in any way.
> 
> Get a life, I can cut and paste
> the quotes from your posts until the cows come home.

Yes you can.  Please do!  Please quote and highlight any part of my 
post where I state or imply that I "no longer support Bernd in his 
struggle with H&P over his IP contribution to the Amiga community", 
or where I am guilty of "stab[bing Meyer] in the back by recommending 
that someone buy Amithlon from H&P".

You can't because I said nothing of the sort.  That was entirely your 
fabrication, done in a pathetic attempt to slander my character.  
You're too stupid to realize that it is your own character that you 
damage by contriving such obvious bullshit.  What a lowlife loser you 
are, TerryTroll!


-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/23/2003 7:37:08 AM
AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com (SG) wrote in
news:34577b4f.0308222302.53acc973@posting.google.com: 

> "MrJumbles" <fauxbrick1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<1061113223.868055@grimiore.conceptual.net.au>... 
>> its true..
>> heres the proof..
>> http://www.totalamiga.org/bts.html
>> 
>> Who can refute this evidence?
> 
> My Althlon 2400 runs at AF5.X general non-iterative tasks at about
> 020 speed, simple number crunching loops are somewhat faster with
> JIT accel, but then the emulation crashes like crazy instead of
> regularly--overall unusable for anything but contorted display
> legacy gaming.

The referenced article clearly states that Total Amiga uses Amithlon, 
not AF5.x.  Please come back once you have tried Amithlon.


-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/23/2003 7:41:33 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in message
news:o2.j2.2R2tMHBkrveqs3g.NR@zool.com...
> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> ---SNIP---<
> Fresh out of witty replies eh? Maybe Rayzor will write
> something funny for you.
>
> Terry

Terry, do you really want to be dealt another round of humiliation?  I think
you should have learned by now ....

Just stop revising history and get off SG's ass for a few minutes and see
where Gary makes sense and you don't.  I sit idly by most of the time.  I
see you are asked questions.  I then see you dodge them.  Then it goes into
Terry's revise mode.  I also see you make up words and acronyms that even
that SG must get confused over.

Maybe you should just try being straight for a change... answer the damn
questions, admit defeat, get on with it.

If this is impossible due to a such a strong attraction to SG that you
simply MUST agree with all his nonsense, keep the ass-sucking in private as
opposed to its flagrant display in here.

RaYzor



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no1418 (314)
8/23/2003 12:09:44 PM
"Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
message news:Xns93E0106C21EBFgbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

> "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
> news:o2.j2.2R2tMHBkrveqs3g.NR@zool.com:

> > "Gary Beeton" writes:

> >>You would be the worst possible person to judge any
> >>question of ethics.

> > That would be a reference again to the answer you
> > provided about the working condition of your ethical
> > meter?

> No, TrollBoy, that would be a reference to the fact that you are the
> lease ethical person I have ever encountered.  And that includes
> Steve!

I don't `lease' my ethics I live them, unlike you.

> >>I see you are back to your favourite sleazy trick of
> >>trying to attribute me with things I did not say,
> >>intend, or imply in any way.

> > Get a life, I can cut and paste
> > the quotes from your posts until the cows come home.

> Yes you can.  Please do!  Please quote and highlight any part of my
> post where I state or imply that I "no longer support Bernd in his
> struggle with H&P over his IP contribution to the Amiga community",
> or where I am guilty of "stab[bing Meyer] in the back by recommending
> that someone buy Amithlon from H&P".

You must not remember the part where someone lamented and
you immediately attempted a sale:

}> What a shame you can't get Amithlon anymore though :(
}
}That's not entirely accurate.  Amithlon is no longer being *developed*,
}but H&P will happily sell it to you (even though their legal right to
}do so has been contested by Amiga Inc).

Looks real supportive to me, Sam already understood the reason he
couldn't get Amithlon any more,as does everyone else that has
decided the issue on the pleadings by Bernd and company, but you
decided Judas was the better role model.

> You can't because I said nothing of the sort.  That was entirely your
> fabrication, done in a pathetic attempt to slander my character.
> You're too stupid to realize that it is your own character that you
> damage by contriving such obvious bullshit.  What a lowlife loser you
> are, TerryTroll!

Provide any alternative reasonable explanation for your betrayal of
an Amiga developer that you once championed that you would like
us to consider.

I guess you couldn't do enough to people that used Amigas now you
have to exploit the schism in the Amiga community in public which
brings us back to the more discreet method of using e-mail instead
of trolling .advocacy.

Terry


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tpalfrey1 (19)
8/23/2003 1:48:43 PM
"RaYzor" <no@no.no.net.org.tv.com.edu.welf> wrote in
message news:cQI1b.3283$7G2.1775@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

> "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in message
> news:o2.j2.2R2tMHBkrveqs3g.NR@zool.com...

> > "Gary Beeton" writes:
> > ---SNIP---<

> > Fresh out of witty replies eh? Maybe Rayzor will write
> > something funny for you.

> Terry, do you really want to be dealt another round of humiliation?
> I think you should have learned by now ....

Can't deal with the content and context eh? Typical.

> Just stop revising history and get off SG's ass for a few
> minutes and see where Gary makes sense and you don't.

Ooh, shades of the anonymous troll. Burgeoning homophobia
declared with a certain vehemence - whatever happened to
simple tolerance and possibly a proper upbringing?

> I sit idly by most of the time.

So?

> I see you are asked questions.

You must miss Beeton's non answers too then.

> I then see you dodge them.

Sure you do, like the pictures your fevered imagination
cooks up from your latent unrealised desires that you
project upon others around you.

> Then it goes into Terry's revise mode.

You must mean `corrective' mode.

> I also see you make up words and acronyms that even
> that SG must get confused over.

Oh yah, the boy needs a dictionary and a thesaurus.

> Maybe you should just try being straight for a change...
> answer the damn questions, admit defeat, get on with it.

Get on with what?

> If this is impossible due to a such a strong attraction
> to SG that you simply MUST agree with all his nonsense,
> keep the ass-sucking in private as opposed to its flagrant
> display in here.

The sharp edge of intellect you are not. Thanks for playing
but Noel makes a far better tag team partner for Gary.

Terry


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tpalfrey1 (19)
8/23/2003 2:00:41 PM
"Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
 news:Xns93E0A2AA20E0gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

> "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
> news:e1.U1.1R2EHpCkdrc1rAe.NR@zool.com:

> > "Gary Beeton" writes:

> >>You are the one who ran away from the challenge, remember?

> > You put up twenty bucks not me.

> Yes, TerryTroll, I know that.  The $20 was "put up" as incentive for
> you to state an opinion.  You ran away.

Actually I started to ignore you and my opinion is on the record.

> > There were no time limits, set publication dates or such mentioned.

> Are you trying to tell me that you may yet develop a backbone???  I'm
> not holding my breath!

Character assination aside (oops me shamelessly pandering to Rayzor's
fevered imagination by using a word that has a few buzz letters in it),
maybe you could point out what that has to do with my observation
that the public pleadings by the parties involved and their supporters
do not constitute enough information  to decide the issue one way or
another.

> > I offered my opinion on the various aspects of the issues

> You've been asked repeatedly to provide a URL or message
> ID to prove  this claim.  You have repeatedly run away.
> Put up or shut up, TrollBoy.

Let's just say that I am mirroring your tactics with regard to your
alleged `Amiga' postings. I've already proved I can google whilst
you don't have a clue.

> > I simply `tuned' you out for a time.

> Please go tune out the real world again for a while.  It was quite
> pleasant here in c.s.a.a without your incessant lies and trolling.

Right, talk about trolling, abandoning your former ethical stance
in public instead of using a private e-mail to at least hide your
malfeasance.

> >>You questioning me about ethics?  Too funny!

> > I guess you no longer support Bernd in his struggle with
> > H&P over his IP contribution to the Amiga community.

> You guessed wrong.  Perhaps you should try reading what I wrote
> instead of making more of your infamous wild assed guesses.

Sam seemed to understand all about the Amithlon situation, you
on the other hand suggested he contact H&P, in public too.

> > Oh, now it is okay to let an Amiga developer get hung out to dry.

> Why would you think that???  What have you got against Amiga
> developers?

See this cluestick (holds up six foot lead filled alder staff), the
question is what caused you to abandon your support for Bernd
and your moral outrage about H&P's actions.

> >>You have the reading skills of a seven-year-old...

> > At least I have reading skills.

> No you don't.  If you had you would be embarrassing yourself like
> this.

You're caught again Mr. Beeton. Squirm all you want.

> >>....and all the maturity of a spoiled rotten four-year-old.  So
> >>which is it, TerryTroll?  Are you a precocious four-year-old or a
> >>retarded seven-year-old?  In either case, why don't you come back
> >>when you're 5 or so and I'll try to explain it to you.

> > Right, nice dodge.

> Please answer the question.

You missed a part:

Right, nice dodge.

Say, Gary, tell us all again about your all powerful A4K that you left
the ram on the motherboard for for the bragging rights. The one that you
are too lazy to plug your cable in to prove you actually still have an A4K.

Seems that you are an answer light not me.

> > The "From:" address has been ROT13d as an antiSPAM measure

> Liar!

I guess you don't know what ROT13d means either.

Terry


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tpalfrey1 (19)
8/23/2003 2:17:38 PM
AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com (SG) wrote in
news:34577b4f.0308222302.53acc973@posting.google.com: 
> "MrJumbles" <fauxbrick1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<1061113223.868055@grimiore.conceptual.net.au>... 
>> its true..
>> heres the proof..
>> http://www.totalamiga.org/bts.html
>> 
>> Who can refute this evidence?
> 
> My Althlon 2400 runs at AF5.X general non-iterative tasks at
> about 020 speed, simple number crunching loops are somewhat
> faster with JIT accel,


 Ok, let's have the numbers? :^)



 Regards...
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bbolsoy (27)
8/23/2003 6:46:21 PM
"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
news:vkes6g17q63vf0@corp.supernews.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
> message news:Xns93E0106C21EBFgbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
> 
>> No, TrollBoy, that would be a reference to the fact that you are
>> the lease ethical person I have ever encountered.  And that
>> includes Steve!
> 
> I don't `lease' my ethics I live them, unlike you.

Too bad the "ethics" you live by are so corrupt!

>> Please quote and highlight any part of
>> my post where I state or imply that I "no longer support Bernd in
>> his struggle with H&P over his IP contribution to the Amiga
>> community", or where I am guilty of "stab[bing Meyer] in the back
>> by recommending that someone buy Amithlon from H&P".
> 
> You must not remember the part where someone lamented and
> you immediately attempted a sale:
> 
> }> What a shame you can't get Amithlon anymore though :(
> }
> }That's not entirely accurate.  Amithlon is no longer being
> *developed*, }but H&P will happily sell it to you (even though
> their legal right to }do so has been contested by Amiga Inc).

I take it back, TerryTroll, seven-year-olds have far, far better 
reading skills than you do.  In which part of that quote exactly did 
you think I was endorsing the illegal sale of Amithlon???  [Hint: 
Stating a fact != endorsement]

> Looks real supportive to me, Sam already understood the reason he
> couldn't get Amithlon any more

You and Sam are confused.  Amithlon *is* available for sale, legally 
or not.  Hence my posting stating the facts.

>> You can't because I said nothing of the sort.  That was entirely
>> your fabrication, done in a pathetic attempt to slander my
>> character. You're too stupid to realize that it is your own
>> character that you damage by contriving such obvious bullshit. 
>> What a lowlife loser you are, TerryTroll!
> 
> Provide any alternative reasonable explanation for your betrayal
> of an Amiga developer that you once championed that you would like
> us to consider.

I betrayed no one, no matter how badly you attempt to twist the 
truth.  What a pathetic cretin you are, TerryTroll!


-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/23/2003 8:07:18 PM
On 21 Aug 03 17:35:08, tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote:

>>>My position is on record.
>
>> Is it now?!  
>
>I believe, oh artful dodger, the question to you remains;
>"is your ethical meter dead"?

No, it is not, and your position is not on record.


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Noel
8/23/2003 10:06:09 PM
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:43:59 -0000, "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com>
wrote:

>I was wondering where yours actually went. Please feel
>free to get with the program here, on the one hand you
>used Bernd Meyer's plight to bolster your unsupportable
>position of being an Amiga advocate and now you stab him
>in the back by recommending that someone buy Amithlon from
>H&P. 

Saying that something is on sale, albeit illegally, is not the same
thing as recommending someone buy it.

>Seems pretty clear cut to me despite your efforts to
>deflect attention by calling troll, throwing ad hominem
>about ethics around and calling me sleazy.

That is the way you are coming across.


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Noel
8/23/2003 10:06:11 PM
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:48:43 -0700, "T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca>
wrote:

>I don't `lease' my ethics I live them, unlike you.

What ethics are those?  They are certainly not demonstrated here.

>You must not remember the part where someone lamented and
>you immediately attempted a sale:

Due to a malfunctioning of your own ethical circuits, or a repeat of
your inability to read for comprehension, you have this impression.
However, I do not see it as an attempt to sell anything, more just
pointing out that H&P still are still selling it.


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Noel
8/23/2003 10:09:51 PM
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:00:41 -0700, "T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca>
wrote:

>> Terry, do you really want to be dealt another round of humiliation?
>> I think you should have learned by now ....
>
>Can't deal with the content and context eh? Typical.

Yes, this is typical of your ducking, dodging and weaving.

>> Just stop revising history and get off SG's ass for a few
>> minutes and see where Gary makes sense and you don't.
>
>Ooh, shades of the anonymous troll. Burgeoning homophobia
>declared with a certain vehemence - whatever happened to
>simple tolerance 

Perhaps you are reading too much into what is a turn of phrase.

>and possibly a proper upbringing?

Yes, I do wonder about that in your case.

>> I see you are asked questions.
>
>You must miss Beeton's non answers too then.

Gary Beeton answers far more questions in a straightforward manner
than you do.

>> I then see you dodge them.
>
>Sure you do, like the pictures your fevered imagination
>cooks up from your latent unrealised desires that you
>project upon others around you.

I doubt if it is anything of the sort, more your misinterpretation of
a turn of phrase because you chime in harmony with SG.

>> Then it goes into Terry's revise mode.
>
>You must mean `corrective' mode.

ROTFLMAO.

>> I also see you make up words and acronyms that even
>> that SG must get confused over.
>
>Oh yah, the boy needs a dictionary and a thesaurus.

Coming from you, this is just precious.

>> Maybe you should just try being straight for a change...
>> answer the damn questions, admit defeat, get on with it.
>
>Get on with what?

In your case, the answer is 'being a troll'.

>> If this is impossible due to a such a strong attraction
>> to SG that you simply MUST agree with all his nonsense,
>> keep the ass-sucking in private as opposed to its flagrant
>> display in here.
>
>The sharp edge of intellect you are not. 

And you are? Please try to be realistic before attempting to answer
that!

>Thanks for playing but Noel makes a far better tag team partner for Gary.

RayZor displays a far better grasp of the facts than you have ever
evidenced.



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Noel
8/23/2003 10:15:06 PM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
>news:vkets216qm86ce@corp.supernews.com: 

>> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>  news:Xns93E0A2AA20E0gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

>>> Yes, TerryTroll, I know that.  The $20 was "put up" as incentive
>>> for you to state an opinion.  You ran away.

>> Actually I started to ignore you and my opinion is on the record.

>The record which you conveniently cannot find.  Face it, you ran 
>away, plain and simple.

The record that *you* cannot find.

>>> > There were no time limits, set publication dates or such
>>> > mentioned. 
 
>>> Are you trying to tell me that you may yet develop a backbone??? 
>>> I'm not holding my breath!

>> Character assination aside (oops me shamelessly pandering to
>> Rayzor's fevered imagination by using a word that has a few buzz
>> letters in it), maybe you could point out what that has to do with
>> my observation that the public pleadings by the parties involved
>> and their supporters do not constitute enough information  to
>> decide the issue one way or another.

>You were challenged to provide an opinion.  You ran away instead.

I've provided several, first that emulation further reduced
the possibility of hardware development for the classic Amiga.

Second that there was never enough information to make a valid
judgement of the issues in the dispute over Amithlon.

Only a fool or zealot would say there was. Which are you?

Steve expressed the opposing view in several ways and was
immediately set upon by the wannabe censurists of this
newsgroup ie. you and the other trolls.

>>> > I offered my opinion on the various aspects of the issues

>>> You've been asked repeatedly to provide a URL or message
>>> ID to prove  this claim.  You have repeatedly run away.
>>> Put up or shut up, TrollBoy.

>> Let's just say that I am mirroring your tactics with regard to
>> your alleged `Amiga' postings. I've already proved I can google
>> whilst you don't have a clue.

>You have neither put up nor shut up.  

And this bothers you, you miserable dictator wannabe?

>I therefore must conclude that you are incapable of either.

Once again you display your entirely too limited cognitive
abilities in a public forum.

>>> Please go tune out the real world again for a while.  It was
>>> quite pleasant here in c.s.a.a without your incessant lies and
>>> trolling. 

>> Right, talk about trolling, abandoning your former ethical stance
>> in public instead of using a private e-mail to at least hide your
>> malfeasance.

>What's with this "private e-mail" kick you're on, TrollBoy?  

If you were truly attempting to "not troll" then you would have
advised Sam about the condition of Amithlon via private mail.

>Are you too embarrassed to face public crucifixion these days?  

Okay, <whacks another nail into a Beeton hairy appendage>.

>There's a very simple solution to that problem - stop posting 
>TerryTrash [tm] and people will stop crucifying you in public.

Such a kidder, role reversal from a losing stance <whacks another
nail in the same hairy appendage>.

>>> > I guess you no longer support Bernd in his struggle with
>>> > H&P over his IP contribution to the Amiga community.

>>> You guessed wrong.  Perhaps you should try reading what I wrote
>>> instead of making more of your infamous wild assed guesses.

>> Sam seemed to understand all about the Amithlon situation,

>No he didn't.  He was not aware that H&P are still peddling Amithlon.

You perhaps misread, as if anyone isn't aware of the current state
of Amithlon and Amiga Inc for that matter, you remember the servers
and such that Amiga Inc abandoned in a place they hadn't rented in
a year.

Why insinuate that Same is braindead and uninformed? More of
your advocate bashing?

>> you
>> on the other hand suggested he contact H&P, in public too.

>Nice lie, TrollBoy!

You put words in public and they get interpreted as to what
was meant by them.

You meant to troll as I doubt you thought that Sam didn't
understand the situation.

>>> > Oh, now it is okay to let an Amiga developer get hung out to
>>> > dry. 

>>> Why would you think that???  What have you got against Amiga
>>> developers?
 
>> See this cluestick (holds up six foot lead filled alder staff),
>> the question is what caused you to abandon your support for Bernd
>> and your moral outrage about H&P's actions.

>Actually the question is:  What misled you to think that I had???

I don't know, your promotion of H&P as a current sales outlet of
Amithlon in a public advocacy forum?

>> You're caught again Mr. Beeton.

>Dream on, TerryTroll!

Ah, try this question on for size; what would be the reasonable
expectation of the outcome of undertaking such an action...?

So I guess you would plead innocent by reason of stupidity?

>> Squirm all you want.

>I don't have to, you're squirming enough for everybody.

LOL! Nice dodge.

>>> >>....and all the maturity of a spoiled rotten four-year-old.  So
>>> >>which is it, TerryTroll?  Are you a precocious four-year-old or
>>> >>a retarded seven-year-old?  In either case, why don't you come
>>> >>back when you're 5 or so and I'll try to explain it to you.
 
>>> > Right, nice dodge.
 
>>> Please answer the question.
 
>> You missed a part:
 
>> Right, nice dodge.

>I noticed you dodge the fist time.  Are you going to answer the 
>question or are you going to dodge it yet again?  (My bet is on the 
>latter)

Easy money if bets like that were covered. They're not and for
good reason.

>>> > The "From:" address has been ROT13d as an antiSPAM measure

>>> Liar!
 
>> I guess you don't know what ROT13d means either.

>Are you trying to say that your true email address is really 
>"gcnyserl@mbby.pbz" ???

Ha, use an Amiga.

Terry


-- 
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tpalfrey (1197)
8/23/2003 10:46:58 PM
"Noel" writes:

> On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:43:59 -0000, "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com>
> wrote:

> >I was wondering where yours actually went. Please feel
> >free to get with the program here, on the one hand you
> >used Bernd Meyer's plight to bolster your unsupportable
> >position of being an Amiga advocate and now you stab him
> >in the back by recommending that someone buy Amithlon from
> >H&P. 
 
> Saying that something is on sale, albeit illegally, is 
> not the same thing as recommending someone buy it.

He did not say *illegally* at all, he said there was
a dispute which is as close to a moral and ethical
reversal as you can get. Especially when he mounted
the high ground on principle in the first place.

> >Seems pretty clear cut to me despite your efforts to
> >deflect attention by calling troll, throwing ad hominem
> >about ethics around and calling me sleazy.
 
> That is the way you are coming across.

Exactly, but I am pointing out his gross fall from grace
in his changed position whilst I remain an Amiga advocate
who actually owns and uses Amigas a my primary machines.

Terry


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tpalfrey (1197)
8/23/2003 10:51:15 PM
"Noel" writes:

>On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:42:24 -0000, "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com>
>wrote:

>>> >My position is on record.

>>> Your position is more like a broken record.

>>> >Your tag team buddy seems to be ducking the question.
 
>>> What are you on about.  

>>Gary Beeton's `ethical meter' seems to be broken.

>If anyone's ethical meter is broken, it is yours.  You have ducked,
>dodged and weaved when asked to clearly stated your position, just as
>you are doing now.

What part of "not having enough information and access to
original documentation" do you not understand?

Only a troll bent on disinformation or a tag team buddy
would claim that that was an unreasonable position.

>>> Try answering the question. 

>>Which one? The one you are covering your tag team buddy
>>on or the one about Steve who actually is not part of my
>>observation at all? 

>I am asking what YOUR position on Bernd is, preferably backed up with
>factual material.

Bernd is a former participant of CSAA who is entirely too busy
now to add humour and spice to this forum.

>>Your attempt at non sequitur.

>If you say so, but it has a relevance, as far as I am concerned.

What is your position on Steve?

>>>What are YOUR substantiated allegations with regard to Bernd, 
>>>or are they the same unsubstantiated nonsense SG trots out 
>>>with depressing regularity?

>>"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

>No, I never started, and you?

Please answer the question.

>>Do you see the similarity at all between that unanswerable
>>nastiness and your attempt to divert attention from Gary's
>>previous high moral stance about the dirt done to Bernd,
>>a reputable Amiga developer and his new position of advising
>>people to buy from H&P.

>He pointed out that it is available from those assholes H&P, and
>pointed out the illegality of that sale.  He did not 'advise'
>anything.

He said *disputed*. Get out your dictionary and compare the
two definitions.

>>Please pay attention to the actual content of the posts you
>>read and not to the little voices in your head or we'll have
>>to reactivate the `Reading for Comprehension' thread again. 

>Yes, we will, but for your benefit, as you have proven yourself time
>and time again to be the one unable to read or write for
>comprehension.

Did one of the little voices tell you to type that?

Terry

-- 
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tpalfrey (1197)
8/23/2003 10:58:44 PM
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:46:58 -0000, "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com>
wrote:
>I've provided several, first that emulation further reduced
>the possibility of hardware development for the classic Amiga.

Would you also claim that C64 emulation further reduces the
possibility of hardware development of the C64, or Atari emulation
having the same effect on Atari hardware development?

>Steve expressed the opposing view in several ways 

Steve expressed the opposing view by spreading FUD and bullshit
claims unsubstantiated by facts and figures.

>>You have neither put up nor shut up.  
>
>And this bothers you, you miserable dictator wannabe?

You are in ironic mode this evening, are you not?

>>I therefore must conclude that you are incapable of either.
>
>Once again you display your entirely too limited cognitive
>abilities in a public forum.

People in glass houses should not throw stones.

>If you were truly attempting to "not troll" then you would have
>advised Sam about the condition of Amithlon via private mail.

Why? What difference does it make, and how come mentioning the sale
(albeit potentially illegal) of Amithlon by H&P count as trolling?

>>Are you too embarrassed to face public crucifixion these days?  
>
>Okay, <whacks another nail into a Beeton hairy appendage>.

In your dreams, perhaps.

>You put words in public and they get interpreted as to what
>was meant by them.

You appear to have a great difficulty interpreting even the simplest
of sentences.

>I don't know, your promotion of H&P as a current sales outlet of
>Amithlon in a public advocacy forum?

If you consider merely mentioning the fact that they are still selling
it to be 'promotion' then you have some weird concepts.


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Noel
8/23/2003 11:17:33 PM
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:51:15 -0000, "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com>
wrote:
>Exactly, but I am pointing out his gross fall from grace
>in his changed position whilst I remain an Amiga advocate
>who actually owns and uses Amigas a my primary machines.

So you own a legacy platform and  you still think it is the greatest
things since sliced bread.  So what?


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Noel
8/23/2003 11:18:25 PM
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:58:44 -0000, "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com>
wrote:
>>He pointed out that it is available from those assholes H&P, and
>>pointed out the illegality of that sale.  He did not 'advise'
>>anything.
>
>He said *disputed*. Get out your dictionary and compare the
>two definitions.

Ok, disputed.  He did not promote or advertise them, he merely pointed
out that they are still selling it, despite the dispute.

>>Yes, we will, but for your benefit, as you have proven yourself time
>>and time again to be the one unable to read or write for
>>comprehension.
>
>Did one of the little voices tell you to type that?

Terry, don't assume that others suffer from the same psychosis that
obviously hampers your perception of reality.


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Noel
8/23/2003 11:19:50 PM
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:58:44 -0000, "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com>
wrote:

>From: "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com>

>The "From:" address has been ROT13d as an antiSPAM measure

Really? I guess I'll fire an email off to gcnyserl@mbby.pbz then.


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Noel
8/23/2003 11:23:07 PM
In message <34577b4f.0308222302.53acc973@posting.google.com>,
AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com (SG) wrote:

>My Althlon 2400 runs at AF5.X general non-iterative tasks at about 020
>speed, simple number crunching loops are somewhat faster with JIT
>accel, but then the emulation crashes like crazy instead of
>regularly--overall unusable for anything but contorted display legacy
>gaming.

Funny; even WinUAE-JIT, which is slower than Amithlon, runs much faster
on my Celeron 1.2GB than my 040 A3000 at just about everything.  The
dual Athlon MP 2100+ machine is faster yet.


-- 

 <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<>
   John P Sheehy         <JPS@no.komm>
 ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>><
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JPS3767 (40)
8/24/2003 1:01:54 AM
"Noel" writes:
 
>On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:00:41 -0700, "T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca>
>wrote:

>>> Terry, do you really want to be dealt another round of humiliation?
>>> I think you should have learned by now ....

>>Can't deal with the content and context eh? Typical.

>Yes, this is typical of your ducking, dodging and weaving.

For someone who prides themselves over their ability to
read and write you remain remarkably dense when you are
engaged in your tag team efforts.

Please make an effort to respond to the same thing I am
talking about and not what the faeries in your monitor
are saying.

>>> Just stop revising history and get off SG's ass for a few
>>> minutes and see where Gary makes sense and you don't.

>>Ooh, shades of the anonymous troll. Burgeoning homophobia
>>declared with a certain vehemence - whatever happened to
>>simple tolerance 

>Perhaps you are reading too much into what is a turn of phrase.

I think not, in context, ie. his entire post - it is very clear
that he means exactly what I have commented on. It would take
someone in denial or a troll apologist to mistake that, which
one are you laying claim to?

>>and possibly a proper upbringing?

>Yes, I do wonder about that in your case.

Decorum be damned in other words.

>>> I see you are asked questions.

>>You must miss Beeton's non answers too then.

>Gary Beeton answers far more questions in a straightforward manner
>than you do.

Then my comments about reactivating the "Reading for Comprehension"
thread seem entirely appropriate in light of your deliberate 
misaprehension of the facts.

>>> I then see you dodge them.

>>Sure you do, like the pictures your fevered imagination
>>cooks up from your latent unrealised desires that you
>>project upon others around you.

>I doubt if it is anything of the sort, more your misinterpretation of
>a turn of phrase because you chime in harmony with SG.

Not when it is this consistent and directed.

>>> Then it goes into Terry's revise mode.

>>You must mean `corrective' mode.

>ROTFLMAO.

Finally clued in to one of the jokes?

>>> I also see you make up words and acronyms that even
>>> that SG must get confused over.

>>Oh yah, the boy needs a dictionary and a thesaurus.

>Coming from you, this is just precious.

Since you can't seem to deal with the issues then it
seems par for the course that you should react in this
manner.

>>> Maybe you should just try being straight for a change...
>>> answer the damn questions, admit defeat, get on with it.

>>Get on with what?

>In your case, the answer is 'being a troll'.

I'm not the one that abandoned a high moral stance
previously staked out over Amithlon.

>>> If this is impossible due to a such a strong attraction
>>> to SG that you simply MUST agree with all his nonsense,
>>> keep the ass-sucking in private as opposed to its flagrant
>>> display in here.

>>The sharp edge of intellect you are not. 

>And you are? Please try to be realistic before attempting to answer
>that!

Certainly, despite what you may attempt to insinuate on behalf
of your new homophobe friend and your tag team partner.

>>Thanks for playing but Noel makes a far better tag team partner for Gary.

>RayZor displays a far better grasp of the facts than you have ever
>evidenced.

And Rayzor is wittier than Gary but in the end <oops another stimulation
for TLH> you and Gary are a far better match.

Terry

 
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tpalfrey (1197)
8/24/2003 1:47:49 AM
"Noel" writes:
 
>On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:58:44 -0000, "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com>
>wrote:

>>>He pointed out that it is available from those assholes H&P, and
>>>pointed out the illegality of that sale.  He did not 'advise'
>>>anything.

>>He said *disputed*. Get out your dictionary and compare the
>>two definitions.

>Ok, disputed.  He did not promote or advertise them, he merely pointed
>out that they are still selling it, despite the dispute.

I'm sorry, we'll try this in monosyllabic form. Gary Beeton got
on his high horse over the illegal actions of H&P and cursed 
them down.

Now he says it is simply a dispute.

>>>Yes, we will, but for your benefit, as you have proven yourself time
>>>and time again to be the one unable to read or write for
>>>comprehension.

>>Did one of the little voices tell you to type that?

>Terry, don't assume that others suffer from the same psychosis that
>obviously hampers your perception of reality.

So it was one of your little voices.

Terry


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tpalfrey (1197)
8/24/2003 2:10:09 AM
"Noel" writes:

>On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:51:15 -0000, "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com>
>wrote:

>>Exactly, but I am pointing out his gross fall from grace
>>in his changed position whilst I remain an Amiga advocate
>>who actually owns and uses Amigas a my primary machines.

>So you own a legacy platform and  you still think it is the greatest
>things since sliced bread.  So what?

Now you are starting to get it.

Next week we will be working on the meaning and practise of advocacy.

Terry


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tpalfrey (1197)
8/24/2003 2:13:13 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:Xns93E0CE24FCD0gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
 
>>>Sorry, I keep forgetting how utterly hopeless you are at
>>>comprehending what people say.  Please let me spell it
>>>out for you in  terms that even you may possibly be able
>>>to understand (although I doubt it):  No.

>>Well how do you explain your very public reversal on
>>H&P by suggesting to Sam, who apprently understands the
>>issues and has made his stand, can still buy Amithlon from
>>them?

>Very simple, TrollBoy, I made no such reversal and made no such 
>suggestion.  The fairy tale that you are flogging was invented by 
>some amoral sleaze ball.

Ahh, don't be so hard on yourself.

>>> You are a fucking liar and everybody knows it.

>> Tsk, tsk, I suppose that anonymous poster has done more
>> damage to this group than appeared at first blush but I guess
>> it speaks to moral character when someone uses profanity
>> to bolster their untenable positions.

>You deserve much worse.  I'm being kind to you.

I just hope you are self employed.

Terry

 
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tpalfrey (1197)
8/24/2003 2:17:08 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
news:M2.I2.3R2XIcXHl2dXdFe.NR@zool.com: 

> Gary Beeton got
> on his high horse over the illegal actions of H&P and cursed 
> them down.
> 
> Now he says it is simply a dispute.

Yes?  And?  Illegal action is one form of dispute.  What is your point 
exactly?  You do have a point, do you not?


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gbeeton (1728)
8/24/2003 2:20:41 AM
Noel <no.thanks@I.dont.want.your.spam> wrote in 
news:1uofkvksf5c3ih9n7jp6dugohhffq31tes@4ax.com:

> Saying that something is on sale, albeit illegally, is not the same
> thing as recommending someone buy it.

I'm afraid that concept is way, way beyond Terry's pre-kindergarden 
intellect level.  You'll have better luck explaining it to a bowl of 
oatmeal.

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gbeeton (1728)
8/24/2003 2:27:23 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in 
>news:g1.a1.3R2OFqBHl2dm2Ee.NR@zool.com:

>> "Noel" writes:
 
>>>If anyone's ethical meter is broken, it is yours.  You have ducked,
>>>dodged and weaved when asked to clearly stated your position, just as
>>>you are doing now.
 
>> What part of "not having enough information and access to
>> original documentation" do you not understand?
 
>> Only a troll bent on disinformation or a tag team buddy
>> would claim that that was an unreasonable position.

>Why then do you support Steve's heavily biased and fact-devoid opinion 
>on the matter?

Oh, you mean over your heavily biased and fact-devoid opinion?
I don't, what I do support though is free speech. That's something
you are just going to have to live with.

Legal claims need substantial evidence to be accepted as fact
and given the force of law. At any point those grey areas or
misunderstood clauses can jump up and bite you. I am offended
by the program that was run in various places which never once
offered the actual written documentation of the contract entered
into between the parties, it was all, "trust me".

This is also part of the problem you have with me, I really
trust no one and go by results not stated intentions or
unproven claims.

Terry

 
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tpalfrey (1197)
8/24/2003 2:29:17 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in news:v1.p1.3R2EIxYHl2da6Ee.NR@zool.com:

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>>"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
>>news:vkes6g17q63vf0@corp.supernews.com: 
> 
>>> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
>>> message news:Xns93E0106C21EBFgbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
>  
>>>> No, TrollBoy, that would be a reference to the fact that 
>>>> you are the lease ethical person I have ever encountered.  
>>>> And that includes Steve!
> 
>>> I don't `lease' my ethics I live them, unlike you.
> 
>>Too bad the "ethics" you live by are so corrupt!
> 
> What, buying Amiga software? Using Amigas as my main
> machine?

No, TrollBoy.  I was referring specifically to your habit of intentionally 
misinterpreting simple statements with obvious meaning for the purpose of unjustly 
assassinating the character of people who call bullshit on you.

>>> }> What a shame you can't get Amithlon anymore though :(
> 
>>> }That's not entirely accurate.  Amithlon is no longer being
>>> *developed*, }but H&P will happily sell it to you (even though
>>> their legal right to }do so has been contested by Amiga Inc).
> 
>>I take it back, TerryTroll, seven-year-olds have far, far better 
>>reading skills than you do.  In which part of that quote exactly did 
>>you think I was endorsing the illegal sale of Amithlon???  [Hint: 
>>Stating a fact != endorsement]
> 
> You were trolling in a public newsgroup and you did not use the
> word illegal at all, which is either an admission that your 
> stance was overboard or that you lack ethics, which is it?

There is no point explaining it any further to you since you are far too stupid to 
comprehend.  Like I said earlier, come back when you reach 15 years of age or so 
and I'll try again.

>>> Looks real supportive to me, Sam already understood the reason he
>>> couldn't get Amithlon any more
> 
>>You and Sam are confused.  Amithlon *is* available for sale, legally 
>>or not.  Hence my posting stating the facts.
> 
> Whatever, interesting reversal.

That is what I said from the beginning.  The only "reversal" happenning here is 
your backpedalling.

>>>> You can't because I said nothing of the sort.  That was entirely
>>>> your fabrication, done in a pathetic attempt to slander my
>>>> character. You're too stupid to realize that it is your own
>>>> character that you damage by contriving such obvious bullshit. 
>>>> What a lowlife loser you are, TerryTroll!
> 
>>> Provide any alternative reasonable explanation for your betrayal
>>> of an Amiga developer that you once championed that you would like
>>> us to consider.
> 
>>I betrayed no one, no matter how badly you attempt to twist the 
>>truth.  What a pathetic cretin you are, TerryTroll!
> 
> I wasn't the one trolling

Of course you were/are.  You took one simple, informative, factual, on-topic 
statement relating to Amigas and turned it into a completely off-topic, unjust, 
attempted character assassination.  That, TerryTroll, is trolling at its finest!

> nor was I the one that compromised my
> previously staked out position on the high moral ground.

You would first have to *establish* some moral high ground, TerryTroll, before you 
could compromise it.  Not too fucking likely for a snake-in-the-grass sleazeball 
like you, TrollBoy!


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gbeeton (1728)
8/24/2003 3:57:59 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
news:13.w2.3R2oIcJHl2dfUAd.NR@zool.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>>Why then do you support Steve's heavily biased and fact-devoid
>>opinion on the matter?
> 
> Oh, you mean over your heavily biased and fact-devoid opinion?
> I don't, what I do support though is free speech.

.... so long as it's Steve's speech or your own.  You most certainly 
do *not* support free speech if it contradicts your own bullshit or 
the bullshit of your master and mentor.

> This is also part of the problem you have with me,

No, the problem I have with you is that you are an amoral scumbag who 
over-compensates for a severe inferiority complex by unjustly 
slandering Amiga users with your outlandish lies.

> I really
> trust no one and go by results not stated intentions or
> unproven claims.

.... unless those unproven claims come from your master and mentor.


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gbeeton (1728)
8/24/2003 4:13:48 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in 
news:h2.c2.3R2fIaiHl2dviIe.NR@zool.com:

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>>>Well how do you explain your very public reversal on
>>>H&P by suggesting to Sam, who apprently understands the
>>>issues and has made his stand, can still buy Amithlon from
>>>them?
> 
>>Very simple, TrollBoy, I made no such reversal and made no such 
>>suggestion.  The fairy tale that you are flogging was invented by 
>>some amoral sleaze ball.
> 
> Ahh, don't be so hard on yourself.

For the simpletons in the crowd:

 "Amoral sleaze ball" = "Terry Palfrey"

>>> Tsk, tsk, I suppose that anonymous poster has done more
>>> damage to this group than appeared at first blush but I guess
>>> it speaks to moral character when someone uses profanity
>>> to bolster their untenable positions.
> 
>>You deserve much worse.  I'm being kind to you.
> 
> I just hope you are self employed.

Fortunately I don't have to work with amoral sleaze ball assholes 
like you!


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gbeeton (1728)
8/24/2003 4:18:54 AM
Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote:

> 222 340797 <Xns93E0CEE8B1A39gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159> 


> "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
> news:M2.I2.3R2XIcXHl2dXdFe.NR@zool.com: 
 
> > Gary Beeton got
> > on his high horse over the illegal actions of H&P and cursed 
> > them down.
> > 
> > Now he says it is simply a dispute.
 
> Yes?  And?  Illegal action is one form of dispute.  What is your point 
> exactly?  You do have a point, do you not?

A dispute is to an illegal action as a shower is to a 
torrential downfall. When one entertains the high moral
ground one should always watch his feet in relation to
the cliff he hangs from.

You've been `schooled'.

Now you will do some more revisionism in an attempt to
back off the reef you have impaled your little vessel
on.

Terry



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tpalfrey (1197)
8/24/2003 4:21:39 AM
Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote:

> 222 340798 <Xns93E0D00B9A733gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159> 

> Noel <no.thanks@I.dont.want.your.spam> wrote in 
> news:1uofkvksf5c3ih9n7jp6dugohhffq31tes@4ax.com:
 
> > Saying that something is on sale, albeit illegally, is not the same
> > thing as recommending someone buy it.
 
> I'm afraid that concept is way, way beyond Terry's pre-kindergarden 
> intellect level.  You'll have better luck explaining it to a bowl of 
> oatmeal.

Hey, if it works for you guys you can talk to the plants
as well. It's amazing how dense you get when you are
cornered.

I'm waiting for some more snappy reparte over this one.

Terry

 

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tpalfrey (1197)
8/24/2003 4:24:21 AM
"Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
message news:Xns93E0E512D8320gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

> tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote in
> news:936512811973@a1a65803.sympatico.bconnected.net:

> > Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote:

> >> 222 340797 <Xns93E0CEE8B1A39gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159>

> >> "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
> >> news:M2.I2.3R2XIcXHl2dXdFe.NR@zool.com:

> >> > Gary Beeton got on his high horse over the
> >> >*illegal* actions of H&P and cursed
> >> > them down.

> >> > Now he says it is simply a dispute.

> >> Yes?  And?  Illegal action is one form of dispute.
> >> What is your point exactly?  You do have a point,
> >> do you not?

> > A dispute is to an illegal action as a shower is to a
> > torrential downfall. When one entertains the high moral
> > ground one should always watch his feet in relation to
> > the cliff he hangs from.

> Well said, Terry.  Unfortunately you've raised your snoot so high in
> the air that you completely failed to notice yourself falling off
> that cliff.

Actually it is you that had his hands firmly over his eyes at
this point and you fail to realise it because you are yelling
la la la la la la so loudly.

> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dispute
>   "dis�pute    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (d-spyt)
>       v. dis�put�ed, dis�put�ing, dis�putes
>       v. tr.

>       To question the truth or validity of"

What about this...

dispute
n 1: a disagreement or argument about something important;

"he had a dispute with his wife"; "there were irreconcilable

differences"; "the familiar conflict between Republicans and

Democrats" [syn: difference, difference of opinion, conflict]

2: coming into conflict with [syn: contravention] v 1: take

exception to; "She challenged his claims" [syn: challenge, gainsay]

2: have a disagreement over something; "We quarreled over the

question as to who discovered America" [syn: quarrel, argufy, altercate]



Seems a tad more encompassing doesn't it. Now back to my point;

illegal

\Il*le"gal\, a. [Pref. il- not + legal: cf. F. ill['e]gal.] Not according
to,

or authorized by, law; specif., contrary to, or in violation of, human

law; unlawful; illicit; hence, immoral; as, an illegal act; illegal trade;

illegal love. <ouch Rayzor>--Bp. Burnet.

And I don't see dispute anywhere in the various thesauri entries:

      Entry:   illegal
      Function:   adjective
      Definition:   lawless
      Synonyms:   actionable, banned, black-market, bootleg, contraband,
      criminal, crooked, extralegal, felonious, forbidden,
      heavy, hot, illegitimate, illicit, interdicted, irregular,
      lawless, not approved, not legal, outlawed, prohibited,
      proscribed, racket, shady, smuggled, sub-rosa, taboo,
      unauthorized, unconstitutional, unlawful, unlicensed,
      unofficial, unwarrantable, unwarranted, verboten,
      violating, wildcat, wrongful
      Concept:   lawlessness


Yup, seems `shower to torrential' to me. Oh look, they nailed
the moral thing too without ever mentioning `dispute'.

> > You've been `schooled'.

> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

> As if TerryTroll could "school" anybody.  What a hoot!

The laughing fool strikes again, oops that's three.

> > Now you will do some more revisionism in an attempt to
> > back off the reef you have impaled your little vessel
> > on.

> No, TerryTroll, that's your favourite ploy.  I wouldn't dream of
> muscling in on your turf.

Don't you think you should resort to another of your favourite
tactics, cutting the incriminating evidence from the post to
make yourself look better?

Terry


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tpalfrey1 (19)
8/24/2003 11:40:44 AM
"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
news:vkh92a5t6tbn88@corp.supernews.com: 

> What about this...

What about it indeed?  It's amusing that you've done a complete 180 by 
suddenly embracing dictionary definitions instead of shunning them as you 
have done in the past when those definitions made you look stupid.  But 
the definitions you provided are not relevant to your argument.  Why did 
you feel the need to quote things that are not applicable to the topic at 
hand?  Trying to dodge the fact that you've made a complete fool of 
yourself yet again perhaps? 

Here, let me help you identify the issue that you've spent so very much 
effort dodging:

THE ISSUE --> Terry Palfrey intentionally misinterpreted a VERY simple 
and clear statement for the sole purpose of trolling. <-- THE ISSUE

There.  Now lets see if you can address the real issue just this once.


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gbeeton (1728)
8/24/2003 9:17:53 PM
JPS@no.komm wrote in
news:m73gkvsll4fb4flu3t85sebenc03ef5dto@4ax.com: 
> In message <34577b4f.0308222302.53acc973@posting.google.com>,
> AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com (SG) wrote:
> 
>>My Althlon 2400 runs at AF5.X general non-iterative tasks at
>>about 020 speed, simple number crunching loops are somewhat
>>faster with JIT accel, but then the emulation crashes like crazy
>>instead of regularly--overall unusable for anything but
>>contorted display legacy gaming.
> 
> Funny; even WinUAE-JIT, which is slower than Amithlon, runs much
> faster on my Celeron 1.2GB than my 040 A3000 at just about
> everything.  The dual Athlon MP 2100+ machine is faster yet.

 Well, even Amiga magazines rated WinUAE around A3000 speeds
 on a P3-500 - and no JIT - years ago, didn't they? :)


 Apart from that, I'm still around 30fps in Quake on 
 my 640Mhz WinUAE box, which is about 3x an A4k/060. :)


 Regards...
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bbolsoy (27)
8/25/2003 12:07:07 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
>news:13.w2.3R2oIcJHl2dfUAd.NR@zool.com: 

>> "Gary Beeton" writes:
 
>>>Why then do you support Steve's heavily biased and fact-devoid
>>>opinion on the matter?
 
>> Oh, you mean over your heavily biased and fact-devoid opinion?
>> I don't, what I do support though is free speech.

>.... so long as it's Steve's speech or your own.  

Yes, and even yours and that other troll's.

>You most certainly do *not* support free speech if it contradicts 
>your own bullshit or the bullshit of your master and mentor.

Do you realise how shrill you sound? This is an open public forum.
I do support free speech and have a far greater depth of knowledge
about it than you do.

>> This is also part of the problem you have with me,

>No, the problem I have with you is that you are an amoral scumbag who 
>over-compensates for a severe inferiority complex by unjustly 
>slandering Amiga users with your outlandish lies.

Yah, okay, whatever, you posted from an "Amiga" once in recent memory
and made sure that was as covert as possible.

I still like your line about it being too much trouble to unplug
your cable connection and hook it up to your Amiga 4K.

>> I really trust no one and go by results not stated intentions or
>> unproven claims.

>.... unless those unproven claims come from your master and mentor.

Oh dear, you must have missed the part where I received an accelerated
and tuned CSPPC/CVPPC from Steve and had the opportunity to see what
he was talking about.

Your experience with an 060 or CSPPC based Amiga is....

Thought so.

Terry


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tpalfrey (1197)
8/25/2003 6:51:44 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
>news:vkh92a5t6tbn88@corp.supernews.com:=20

>> What about this...

>What about it indeed?=20=20

It seemed so relevant that you immediately cut it.

>It's amusing that you've done a complete 180 by=20
>suddenly embracing dictionary definitions instead of=20
>shunning them as you have done in the past when=20
>those definitions made you look stupid.=20=20

Oops, a little more revisionism from the master. I think
in the past I have said that the simplistic dictionary
definitions offered failed to encompass the topic at
hand.

You and the other trolls wanted to sit on the most
simplistic definition you could find. But now when the
shoe is on the other foot and I use simple definitions
to prove how utterly out to lunch you are with your
facetious dispute=3Dillegal nonsense you run away.


>But the definitions you provided are not relevant to your argument.=20=20

Sorry dude, that's plain wrong. You took the high moral ground and
blasted away, now it seems that you have reversed yourself. Don't
be ashamed just admit you are trolling.

>Why did you feel the need to quote things that are not applicable=20
>to the topic at hand?  Trying to dodge the fact that you've made=20
>a complete fool of yourself yet again perhaps?=20

Made a complete fool of *you* again, though goodness knows I
don't need to help you.

Here, let's review:
=20
>> >> > Gary Beeton got on his high horse over the
>> >> >*illegal* actions of H&P and cursed
>> >> > them down.
>
>> >> > Now he says it is simply a dispute.
>
>> >> Yes?  And?  Illegal action is one form of dispute.
>> >> What is your point exactly?  You do have a point,
>> >> do you not?
>
>> > A dispute is to an illegal action as a shower is to a
>> > torrential downfall. When one entertains the high moral
>> > ground one should always watch his feet in relation to
>> > the cliff he hangs from.
>
>> Well said, Terry.  Unfortunately you've raised your snoot=20
>> so high in the air that you completely failed to notice=20
>> yourself falling off that cliff.
>
>Actually it is you that had his hands firmly over his eyes at
>this point and you fail to realise it because you are yelling
>la la la la la la so loudly.
>
>> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=3Ddispute
>>   "dis=B7pute    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (d-spyt)
>>       v. dis=B7put=B7ed, dis=B7put=B7ing, dis=B7putes
>>       v. tr.
>
>>       To question the truth or validity of"
>
>What about this...
>
>dispute
>n 1: a disagreement or argument about something important;
>
>"he had a dispute with his wife"; "there were irreconcilable
>
>differences"; "the familiar conflict between Republicans and
>
>Democrats" [syn: difference, difference of opinion, conflict]
>
>2: coming into conflict with [syn: contravention] v 1: take
>
>exception to; "She challenged his claims" [syn: challenge, gainsay]
>
>2: have a disagreement over something; "We quarreled over the
>
>question as to who discovered America" [syn: quarrel, argufy, altercate]

>Seems a tad more encompassing doesn't it. Now back to my point;
>
>illegal
>
>\Il*le"gal\, a. [Pref. il- not + legal: cf. F. ill['e]gal.] Not=
 according
>to,
>
>or authorized by, law; specif., contrary to, or in violation of, human
>
>law; unlawful; illicit; hence, immoral; as, an illegal act; illegal=
 trade;
>
>illegal love. <ouch Rayzor>--Bp. Burnet.
>
>And I don't see dispute anywhere in the various thesauri entries:
>
>      Entry:   illegal
>      Function:   adjective
>      Definition:   lawless
>      Synonyms:   actionable, banned, black-market, bootleg, contraband,
>      criminal, crooked, extralegal, felonious, forbidden,
>      heavy, hot, illegitimate, illicit, interdicted, irregular,
>      lawless, not approved, not legal, outlawed, prohibited,
>      proscribed, racket, shady, smuggled, sub-rosa, taboo,
>      unauthorized, unconstitutional, unlawful, unlicensed,
>      unofficial, unwarrantable, unwarranted, verboten,
>      violating, wildcat, wrongful
>      Concept:   lawlessness
>
>
>Yup, seems `shower to torrential' to me. Oh look, they nailed
>the moral thing too without ever mentioning `dispute'.
>
>> > You've been `schooled'.
>
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
=20
>> As if TerryTroll could "school" anybody.  What a hoot!
=20
>The laughing fool strikes again, oops that's three.
=20
>> > Now you will do some more revisionism in an attempt to
>> > back off the reef you have impaled your little vessel
>> > on.

>> No, TerryTroll, that's your favourite ploy.  I wouldn't dream of
>> muscling in on your turf.
>
>Don't you think you should resort to another of your favourite
---------------------------------------------------------------
>tactics, cutting the incriminating evidence from the post to
-------------------------------------------------------------
>make yourself look better?
---------------------------
>

>Here, let me help you identify the issue that you've spent so very much=20
>effort dodging:
=20
>THE ISSUE --> Terry Palfrey intentionally misinterpreted a VERY simple=20
>and clear statement for the sole purpose of trolling. <-- THE ISSUE

> There.  Now lets see if you can address the real issue just this once.

The issue is that the Beeton Troll was trolling CSAA by advising someone=
 that=20
he could do something that the Beeton Troll had stood on soapbox and=20
decried long and hard as being totally illegal and immoral.

Go figure.=20

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tpalfrey (1197)
8/25/2003 7:10:12 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in 
news:v1.p1.3R2EIxYHl2da6Ee.NR@zool.com:

>> "Gary Beeton" writes:

>>>> I don't `lease' my ethics I live them, unlike you.
 
>>>Too bad the "ethics" you live by are so corrupt!
 
>> What, buying Amiga software? Using Amigas as my main
>> machine?

>No, TrollBoy.  I was referring specifically to your habit of 
>intentionally misinterpreting simple statements with obvious 
>meaning for the purpose of unjustly assassinating the 
>character of people who call bullshit on you.

Better than simply doing character assasination like you.

You were the one who got on your soapbox and now it looks
like you have become a turncoat.

>>>> }> What a shame you can't get Amithlon anymore though :(

>>>> }That's not entirely accurate.  Amithlon is no longer being
>>>> *developed*, }but H&P will happily sell it to you (even though
>>>> their legal right to }do so has been contested by Amiga Inc).
 
>>>I take it back, TerryTroll, seven-year-olds have far, far better 
>>>reading skills than you do.  In which part of that quote exactly 
>>>did you think I was endorsing the illegal sale of Amithlon???  
>>>[Hint: Stating a fact != endorsement]
 
>> You were trolling in a public newsgroup and you did not use the
>> word illegal at all, which is either an admission that your 
>> stance was overboard or that you lack ethics, which is it?

>There is no point explaining it any further to you since you are 
>far too stupid to comprehend.  Like I said earlier, come back 
>when you reach 15 years of age or so and I'll try again.

Hmm, I think I got it right on the first pass, it's you who has
been caught on that moral outrage of yours.

>>>> Looks real supportive to me, Sam already understood the reason 
>>>> he couldn't get Amithlon any more
 
>>>You and Sam are confused.  Amithlon *is* available for sale, 
>>>legally or not.  Hence my posting stating the facts.

>> Whatever, interesting reversal.

>That is what I said from the beginning.  The only "reversal" 
>happenning here is your backpedalling.

I think your actions are apalling. Either you hold a position
or you don't.

>>>>> You can't because I said nothing of the sort. That was entirely
>>>>> your fabrication, done in a pathetic attempt to slander my
>>>>> character. You're too stupid to realize that it is your own
>>>>> character that you damage by contriving such obvious bullshit. 
>>>>> What a lowlife loser you are, TerryTroll!

>>>> Provide any alternative reasonable explanation for your betrayal
>>>> of an Amiga developer that you once championed that you would like
>>>> us to consider.
 
>>>I betrayed no one, no matter how badly you attempt to twist the 
>>>truth.  What a pathetic cretin you are, TerryTroll!
 
>> I wasn't the one trolling

>Of course you were/are.  You took one simple, informative, factual, 
>on-topic statement relating to Amigas and turned it into a 
>completely off-topic, unjust, attempted character assassination.  
>That, TerryTroll, is trolling at its finest!

You should know "chicken Little", the sky is falling there are 
wannabe dictators trying to control this public newsgroup!!!!

>> nor was I the one that compromised my
>> previously staked out position on the high moral ground.

>You would first have to *establish* some moral high ground, 

You did, loud and proud <oops stimulating RayZor again>!!!

>TerryTroll, before you could compromise it.  

Exactly, just as I said you did.

>Not too fucking likely for a snake-in-the-grass sleazeball 
>like you, TrollBoy!

Don't be so hard on yourself, snakes don't have real backbones.

Terry

 
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tpalfrey (1197)
8/25/2003 7:26:13 AM
"Noel" writes:
 
>>I don't `lease' my ethics I live them, unlike you.

>What ethics are those?  They are certainly not demonstrated here.

>>You must not remember the part where someone lamented and
>>you immediately attempted a sale:

>Due to a malfunctioning of your own ethical circuits, or a repeat of
>your inability to read for comprehension, you have this impression.
>However, I do not see it as an attempt to sell anything, more just
>pointing out that H&P still are still selling it.

Right, wouldn't do to contradict your tag team partner.

Terry

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tpalfrey (1197)
8/25/2003 7:27:22 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
news:c4.W4.5R2J0y1Hl2dHM4e.NR@zool.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>>No, TrollBoy.  I was referring specifically to your habit of 
>>intentionally misinterpreting simple statements with obvious 
>>meaning for the purpose of unjustly assassinating the 
>>character of people who call bullshit on you.
> 
> Better than simply doing character assasination like you.

Confession #1:  Terry admits that he launched this entire thread as a 
character assassination against me. 

>>Of course you were/are.  You took one simple, informative,
>>factual, on-topic statement relating to Amigas and turned it into
>>a completely off-topic, unjust, attempted character assassination.
>> That, TerryTroll, is trolling at its finest!
> 
> You should know "chicken Little", the sky is falling there are 
> wannabe dictators trying to control this public newsgroup!!!!

Confession #2:  Terry admits that this entire thread is the result of 
his trolling endeavours.


-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/25/2003 2:52:42 PM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
news:O4.I4.5R200PkHl2d63Ee.NR@zool.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>>"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
>>news:vkh92a5t6tbn88@corp.supernews.com: 
> 
>>> What about this...
> 
>>What about it indeed?  
> 
> It seemed so relevant that you immediately cut it.
              
It seemed so IRrelevant that I immediately snipped it.  As I am about 
to do with most of the rest of your diversionary decoy nonsense.

[huge snip of Terry's previously posted irrelevancies]

>>Here, let me help you identify the issue that you've spent so very
>>much effort dodging:
>  
>>THE ISSUE --> Terry Palfrey intentionally misinterpreted a VERY
>>simple and clear statement for the sole purpose of trolling. <--
>>THE ISSUE 
> 
>> There.  Now lets see if you can address the real issue just this
>> once. 
> 
> The issue is that the Beeton Troll was trolling CSAA by advising
> someone that he could do something that the Beeton Troll had stood
> on soapbox and decried long and hard as being totally illegal and
> immoral. 

I'll take that as a resounding 'No'.  Come back when you are mature 
enough to deal with the issue, TerryTroll.

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/25/2003 3:01:40 PM
The story up til now without Gary's funny snipping, avoidance
and his friends all chiming in: Seems a guy named Sam lamented
the fact that Amithlon was no longer available <ie. legally> and
Gary Beeton started trolling in CSAA again by stating that
H&P still sold it despite there being a "dispute" between them
and Amiga Inc.

Why would Gary do this and not take the time to once again
exhort his position that the sale of Amithlon was totally
illegal and reafirm his support for Bernd Meyer one of
the programmers who has been sidelined by the
circumstances?

We can't say with utter certaincy but based on his exploits in
the past we can only conclude that Gary has slipped a screw
and now inhabits a different realm.
UnReality #1: Gary didn't participate in this thread as a
character assassination against me.


UnReality #2: The entire thread is not the result of
Gary's trolling endeavours.

UnReality #3: Gary denies that he is an amoral and that he
over-compensates for a severe inferiority complex by unjustly
slandering Amiga users with his outlandish lies.

Badda Boom. Thump.

Terry





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tpalfrey (1197)
8/25/2003 6:15:26 PM
"Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
message news:Xns93E25BC984514gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

> "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
> news:O4.I4.5R200PkHl2d63Ee.NR@zool.com:

> >>> What about this...

> >>What about it indeed?

> > It seemed so relevant that you immediately cut it.

> It seemed so IRrelevant that I immediately snipped it.  As I am about
> to do with most of the rest of your diversionary decoy nonsense.

> [huge snip of Terry's previously posted irrelevancies]

As predicted:

>Don't you think you should resort to another of your favourite
---------------------------------------------------------------
>tactics, cutting the incriminating evidence from the post to
-------------------------------------------------------------
>make yourself look better?
---------------------------

> > The issue is that the Beeton Troll was trolling CSAA by advising
> > someone that he could do something that the Beeton Troll had stood
> > on soapbox and decried long and hard as being totally illegal and
> > immoral.

> I'll take that as a resounding 'No'.

Take what? The question was directed at you. You broke the silence and
you abandoned your position that the sale of Amithlon was illegal, now
it is just in "dispute" and you let down Bernd Meyer who you had
previously held up as a wronged party in this "dispute".

It's a slippery slope you've embarked upon.

Terry



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tpalfrey (1197)
8/25/2003 6:20:27 PM
"Terry" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in message news:<vkkkre4g5cnfb@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
> message news:Xns93E25BC984514gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
> 
> > I'll take that as a resounding 'No'.
> 
> Take what?

The challenge (which you snipped) was:

  "Now lets see if you can address the real issue just this once."

The answer of course is:  No, you not mature enough to address the
real issue.

THE ISSUE --> Terry Palfrey intentionally misinterpreted a VERY simple
and clear statement for the sole purpose of trolling. <-- THE ISSUE

[No doubt you will now snip the real issue and go off on some
diversionary character assassination]

--
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/25/2003 9:17:12 PM
"Terry" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in message news:<vkkkhvrjo68c31@corp.supernews.com>...
> The story up til now ...

TerryTroll, you've already confessed a) that you launched this entire
thread as a
character assassination against me, b) that this entire thread is the
result of
your trolling endeavours, and c) to being an amoral scumbag who
over-compensates for a severe inferiority complex by unjustly
slandering Amiga users with your outlandish lies.  It's a little late
now to try to un-say what you've already said, don't you think?

--
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/25/2003 9:33:42 PM
"Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
message news:4c950c59.0308251317.2b90d86a@posting.google.com...

> "Terry" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in message
news:<vkkkre4g5cnfb@corp.supernews.com>...

> > "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
> > message news:Xns93E25BC984514gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

> > > I'll take that as a resounding 'No'.

> > Take what?

> The challenge (which you snipped) was:

Oh, the one where I dealt you a body blow of some incredible
substance and you wanted to revise history.

>   "Now lets see if you can address the real issue just this once."

> The answer of course is:  No, you not mature enough to address the
> real issue.

Maturity has nothing to do with addressing issues or you wouldn't
be in this pickle in the first place.

> THE ISSUE --> Terry Palfrey intentionally misinterpreted a VERY simple
> and clear statement for the sole purpose of trolling. <-- THE ISSUE

Terry Palfrey was astounded at Gary Beeton's reversal of his previous
stand and felt it necessary to comment on it because of the stridency
of Gary Beeton's previous behaviour.

"Dispute" is not equal to "Illegal" or "Immoral".


> [No doubt you will now snip the real issue and go off on some
> diversionary character assassination]

"Late breaking news: We will not be able to make the planned release
date, due to last-minute requests for further clarification of H&P's
role by one of our license providers."

IOW one of the license providers is concerned that H&P might fuck up the
works again.

I'm waiting for Amithlon 2.  i understand the current version does not
support my Dell (besides, buying Amithlon 1 would not send any revenue
to the author).

Then (correct me if I am wrong) baseless attacks on great Amiga products
and great Amiga developers could only considered the act of an
Amiga-bashing troll, no?  Such as the baseless attack you have launched
against Amithlon and it's developer?

I am also assuming, based on your statement above, that you would think
lowly of someone who pirated great Amiga products?

My but you ARE naive.  Don't you wonder why the "other side" hasn't
spoken up?  Don't you wonder why they continue to sell Amithlon
illegally when the prudent thing to do would be to stop sales until the
matter is resolved?  Don't you wonder why Amiga Inc. would stop the sale
of the biggest Amiga revival product in recent history?  Don't you
wonder why Amiga Inc have endorsed Bernie and not H&P?

Etc etc etc

Terry



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tpalfrey1 (19)
8/25/2003 11:38:40 PM
"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
news:vkl7g12oi1va82@corp.supernews.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
> message news:4c950c59.0308251317.2b90d86a@posting.google.com...
> 
>> The challenge (which you snipped) was:
> 
> Oh, the one where I dealt you a body blow of some incredible
> substance and you wanted to revise history.

No, the one you keep dodging.  As I'm certain you will below.

>>   "Now lets see if you can address the real issue just this
>>   once." 
> 
>> The answer of course is:  No, you not mature enough to address
>> the real issue.
> 
> Maturity has nothing to do with addressing issues or you wouldn't
> be in this pickle in the first place.

What then *is* your excuse for dodging the issue?

>> THE ISSUE --> Terry Palfrey intentionally misinterpreted a VERY
>> simple and clear statement for the sole purpose of trolling. <--
>> THE ISSUE 
> 
> Terry Palfrey was astounded at Gary Beeton's reversal of his
> previous stand and felt it necessary to comment on it because of
> the stridency of Gary Beeton's previous behaviour.

That would be the "reversal" that you invented, would it, TrollBoy?  
TerryTroll dodges the issue yet again.  How predictable!  

> "Dispute" is not equal to "Illegal" or "Immoral".

Brilliant!  But nobody ever said it was.  Your smokescreen is a 
little too transparent, TerryTroll.  Could you try a little harder 
please?

>> [No doubt you will now snip the real issue and go off on some
>> diversionary character assassination]
> 
> "Late breaking news: We will not be able to make the planned
> release date, due to last-minute requests for further
> clarification of H&P's role by one of our license providers."
> 
> IOW one of the license providers is concerned that H&P might fuck
> up the works again.
> 
> I'm waiting for Amithlon 2.  i understand the current version does
> not support my Dell (besides, buying Amithlon 1 would not send any
> revenue to the author).
> 
> Then (correct me if I am wrong) baseless attacks on great Amiga
> products and great Amiga developers could only considered the act
> of an Amiga-bashing troll, no?  Such as the baseless attack you
> have launched against Amithlon and it's developer?
> 
> I am also assuming, based on your statement above, that you would
> think lowly of someone who pirated great Amiga products?
> 
> My but you ARE naive.  Don't you wonder why the "other side"
> hasn't spoken up?  Don't you wonder why they continue to sell
> Amithlon illegally when the prudent thing to do would be to stop
> sales until the matter is resolved?  Don't you wonder why Amiga
> Inc. would stop the sale of the biggest Amiga revival product in
> recent history?  Don't you wonder why Amiga Inc have endorsed
> Bernie and not H&P? 

You're not fooling anybody, TerryTroll.  Those are *not* your words 
so stop pretending they are.  As for the point you are failing to 
make, please point out (if you can) where I contradicted myself in 
any way by stating the fact that H&P still sell Amithlon.  [Let me 
remind you that stating a fact != endorsement]

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/26/2003 12:33:37 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in 
news:z0.v0.5R2EDagzQPdGwfe.NR@zool.com:

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>>Confession #3:  Terry cannot deny that he is an amoral scumbag who 
>>over-compensates for a severe inferiority complex by unjustly 
>>slandering Amiga users with his outlandish lies.
> 
> Gary, Terry uses his Amiga as his main computer and maintains that
> it is more responsive than other computers he owns and uses and
> that WinUAe doesn't compare to the real thing.
> 
> You on the other hand don't.

Nice dodge, TerryTroll, but once again you have failed to deny that you 
are an amoral scumbag who over-compensates for a severe inferiority 
complex by unjustly slandering Amiga users with your outlandish lies.


-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/26/2003 12:40:54 AM
"Bj�rnar Bols�y" <bbolsoy@hotmail.nospam> wrote in 
news:Xns93E2158CD9935bbolsoy@212.83.64.229:
> JPS@no.komm wrote in
> news:m73gkvsll4fb4flu3t85sebenc03ef5dto@4ax.com: 
>> In message <34577b4f.0308222302.53acc973@posting.google.com>,
>> AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com (SG) wrote:
>> 
>>>My Althlon 2400 runs at AF5.X general non-iterative tasks at
>>>about 020 speed, simple number crunching loops are somewhat
>>>faster with JIT accel, but then the emulation crashes like 
>>>crazy
>>>instead of regularly--overall unusable for anything but
>>>contorted display legacy gaming.
>> 
>> Funny; even WinUAE-JIT, which is slower than Amithlon, runs 
>> much
>> faster on my Celeron 1.2GB than my 040 A3000 at just about
>> everything.  The dual Athlon MP 2100+ machine is faster yet.
> 
>  Well, even Amiga magazines rated WinUAE around A3000 speeds
>  on a P3-500 - and no JIT - years ago, didn't they? :)
> 
> 
>  Apart from that, I'm still around 30fps in Quake on 
>  my 640Mhz WinUAE box, which is about 3x an A4k/060. :)


 Recap of some old Quake figures posted here and there,
 just as a rough comparison.


   Quake
   -----
   320x200, CybGfx/P96
   viewsize 100
   Timedemo demo2

   A4k/604e-200            35 fps
   A4k/060-50              11 fps
   A1200/040-40            ~5 fps
   A1200/030-50            ~2 fps

   Cel640/WinUAE-JIT       35 fps
   Cel450/WinUAE-noJIT     ~3 fps


 

 Regards...
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bbolsoy (27)
8/26/2003 2:33:21 AM
hehehe, you wally, they are using amithlon,not af5. I await your
refutation(as well as your faws benchmarks).


"SG" <AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:34577b4f.0308222302.53acc973@posting.google.com...
> "MrJumbles" <fauxbrick1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<1061113223.868055@grimiore.conceptual.net.au>...
> > its true..
> > heres the proof..
> > http://www.totalamiga.org/bts.html
> >
> > Who can refute this evidence?
>
> My Althlon 2400 runs at AF5.X general non-iterative tasks at about 020
> speed, simple number crunching loops are somewhat faster with JIT
> accel, but then the emulation crashes like crazy instead of
> regularly--overall unusable for anything but contorted display legacy
> gaming.


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fauxbrick1 (13)
8/26/2003 12:10:36 PM
In article <vkl7g12oi1va82@corp.supernews.com>,
 "T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote:

> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
> message news:4c950c59.0308251317.2b90d86a@posting.google.com...
> 
> > The challenge (which you snipped) was:
> 
> Oh, the one where I dealt you a body blow of some incredible
> substance [...]

Just a hint, old chum: you may not be aware, having a permanent address 
in the TerrySteveUniverse, but here in reality it was an incredibly lame 
and puerile attempt at negative spin which fell flat on its face as soon 
as you posted it.

-- 
Tim
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tas (119)
8/26/2003 10:49:25 PM
"MrJumbles" <fauxbrick1@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1061899871.729757
@grimiore.conceptual.net.au:
> "SG" <AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:34577b4f.0308222302.53acc973@posting.google.com...

>> > http://www.totalamiga.org/bts.html
>> >
>> > Who can refute this evidence?
>>
>> My Althlon 2400 runs at AF5.X general non-iterative tasks at about 020
>> speed, simple number crunching loops are somewhat faster with JIT
>> accel, but then the emulation crashes like crazy instead of
>> regularly--overall unusable for anything but contorted display legacy
>> gaming.
>
> hehehe, you wally, they are using amithlon,not af5. I await your
> refutation(as well as your faws benchmarks).

 The guys behind AF5 do have some idea on how it performs:


  http://www.cloanto.com/kb/3-119.html

   The overall (subjective) feeling of the UAE and Fellow 
   emulators (without JIT technology) is that a Pentium CPU 
   running at 133 MHz compares well with an Amiga 500

   A Pentium Pro or Pentium II running at 200 MHz feels 
   like an Amiga 3000/030, 
 
   Newer versions of the emulation software include a 
   "just-in-time" (JIT) compiler, developed by Bernd Meyer, 
   which, when enabled, can make the emulation of the CPU 
   on average at least 10 times faster than without JIT.

   Benchmarks conducted with Personal Paint (color reduction 
   and image processing tasks) resulted in speeds more than 
   30 times faster than without JIT. [..] This makes 
   even an old and inexpensive 200 MHz PC faster at running 
   Amiga software than a 68060-based Amiga (benchmark: SAS/C 
   compiling Personal Paint).



 Regards...
   

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bbolsoy (27)
8/27/2003 11:50:46 AM
Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<Xns93E0DAE38366Dgbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159>...
> "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
> news:P1.L1.3R21FacHl2dKGCe.NR@zool.com: 
> 
> > The record that *you* cannot find.
> 
> That's because it does not exist.  I hereby challenge you to prove
> me wrong.  [snicker!] 

Terry?  Hello?  It's not like you to run away from a
challenge.<--Heavy sarcasm

Are you still searching for that record of yours so that you can prove
me wrong?  Gosh, I hope you haven't had another one of your cataleptic
seizures following your latest temper tantrum.

--
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/27/2003 3:39:04 PM
In article <Xns93E48C87B17C6Bolsy@193.216.69.37>, bbolsoy@hotmail.nospam 
says...
> "MrJumbles" <fauxbrick1@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1061899871.729757
> @grimiore.conceptual.net.au:
> > "SG" <AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:34577b4f.0308222302.53acc973@posting.google.com...
> 
> >> > http://www.totalamiga.org/bts.html
> >> >
> >> > Who can refute this evidence?
> >>
> >> My Althlon 2400 runs at AF5.X general non-iterative tasks at about 020
> >> speed, simple number crunching loops are somewhat faster with JIT
> >> accel, but then the emulation crashes like crazy instead of
> >> regularly--overall unusable for anything but contorted display legacy
> >> gaming.
> >
> > hehehe, you wally, they are using amithlon,not af5. I await your
> > refutation(as well as your faws benchmarks).
> 
>  The guys behind AF5 do have some idea on how it performs:
> 
> 
>   http://www.cloanto.com/kb/3-119.html
> 
-snip a quote from the site above-

(Only to add another quote from the site above... :)

The use of sound, custom chip logic and the type of frame refresh rates 
used in many games require more powerful machines and in extreme cases can 
push even an 800 MHz system to its limits.


The thing of it is, that using Workbench feels pretty fast on my PC (Athlon 
1800, about 1.5 Ghz) under WinUAE, but running some games can still be a 
little sluggish. That's not a problem for me, and I still play those games 
happily with the frameskip options on. :) While WinUAE can emulate some 
Amiga tasks at an excellent speed, (Faster than my A1200 PPC-60/50) it 
still has problems running custom chipset programs. Of course this can be 
got around by throwing enough power at the problem, and isn't that the way 
most PC software works anyway? :)
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8/27/2003 7:26:42 PM
"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in message news:<vkpt7vf8ome772@corp.supernews.com>...
> 
> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:4c950c59.0308270739.586cfbc3@posting.google.com...
> 
> > Are you still searching for that record of yours so that you can prove
> > me wrong?  Gosh, I hope you haven't had another one of your cataleptic
> > seizures following your latest temper tantrum.
> 
> Dude, give it a rest,

Can't find it huh?  Why not save yourself any further embarrassment by
simply admitting that you've been lying about this mythical "record"
of yours the entire time?!

> some people have real lives and can't instantly
> respond to every troll that is clamouring for attention...

LOL!  As if you would ever pass up an opportunity to troll!  Face it,
you got caught lying again but you're too big a weasel to admit it. 
Just admit it and we can put this behind us.

(BTW, that "real life" scenario obviously doesn't apply to you
considering how much time you spend trolling c.s.a.a!)

> work on figuring
> out how to plug your cable connection into your Amiga and we'll a duel
> when I get some spare time....

As you well know, my Amigas have been on-line for many, many years. 
But what on earth does that have to do with your inability to back up
your claims???  Just another TerryTroll smokescreen perchance?

> Think of it, you can out Amiga me on your Amiga...

As usual, you make no sense.  Care to try again in English?  And
preferably in-context for a change, if you think you can muster it.

--
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gbeeton (1728)
8/27/2003 11:22:20 PM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

> "T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in message 
> news:<vkpt7vf8ome772@corp.supernews.com>...
 
> > "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4c950c59.0308270739.586cfbc3@posting.google.com...

> > > Are you still searching for that record of yours so that you
> > > can prove me wrong?  Gosh, I hope you haven't had another 
> > > one of your cataleptic seizures following your latest 
> > > temper tantrum.

> > Dude, give it a rest,

> Can't find it huh?

I don't need to, you're the troll welcher, I don't need to 
prove anything to someone like you. You made a challenge,
couldn't remember doing so and had to be led by the hand
to find it.

>  Why not save yourself any further embarrassment by
> simply admitting that you've been lying about this mythical 
> "record" of yours the entire time?!

It's your embarrasment. The fact that you can't google either
is not my problem.

> > some people have real lives and can't instantly
> > respond to every troll that is clamouring for attention...
 
> LOL!  

A happy fool, how nice for you.

> As if you would ever pass up an opportunity to troll!  

Now that you have resorted to writing to yourself I think
the trolling issue has been resolved.

> Face it, you got caught lying again but you're too big 
> a weasel to admit it.

Heh, oooh, aren't we all definite. Who got caught welcher?
 
> Just admit it and we can put this behind us.

You put it behind you. I'm not going to forget how big a welcher
you are any more than I will forget your "more powerful" Amiga.

> (BTW, that "real life" scenario obviously doesn't apply to you
> considering how much time you spend trolling c.s.a.a!)

You are the one writing replies to yourself. Or are you going to 
blame X-News now?

> > work on figuring out how to plug your cable connection into 
> > your Amiga and we'll a duel when I get some spare time....

> As you well know, my Amigas have been on-line for many, many years.

No I don't, you are the one that was the pissante when asked for
proof of being online currently. How soon we forget all of your 
chicken little tantrums about fascist dictators....
 
> But what on earth does that have to do with your inability to back
>  up your claims???  Just another TerryTroll smokescreen perchance?

I gave my opinion, just because you can't figure out what they
were or how to read them that's not my problem.

> > Think of it, you can out Amiga me on your Amiga...

> As usual, you make no sense.  Care to try again in English?  And
> preferably in-context for a change, if you think you can muster it.

Of course I don't make any sense to you, you're a troll.

Terry


 
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tpalfrey (1197)
8/28/2003 9:09:45 AM
"Timothy A. Seufert" writes:

>In article <vkl7g12oi1va82@corp.supernews.com>,
> "T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote:

>> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
>> message news:4c950c59.0308251317.2b90d86a@posting.google.com...
 
>> > The challenge (which you snipped) was:
>> 
>> Oh, the one where I dealt you a body blow of some incredible
>> substance [...]

>Just a hint, old chum: you may not be aware, having a permanent 
>address in the TerrySteveUniverse, but here in reality it was 
>an incredibly lame and puerile attempt at negative spin which 
>fell flat on its face as soon as you posted it.

So Tim, are you taking up Gary's cause too? Noel for whatever
reasons has. As an Atari/Mac guy who has never used an Amiga
I can see where you just don't have a clue but you should at
least be able to discern a principled position when you see one.

Gary has abandoned his. It's a sad sight.

Say, how is macdumb now that you have a pre-emptive multitasking
operating system of your very own?

Terry
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tpalfrey (1197)
8/28/2003 9:24:35 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in 
>news:z0.v0.5R2EDagzQPdGwfe.NR@zool.com:

>> "Gary Beeton" writes:

>>>Confession #3:  Terry cannot deny that he is an amoral scumbag 
>>>who over-compensates for a severe inferiority complex by 
>>>unjustly slandering Amiga users with his outlandish lies.

>> Gary, Terry uses his Amiga as his main computer and maintains 
>> that it is more responsive than other computers he owns and 
>> uses and that WinUAe doesn't compare to the real thing.
 
>> You on the other hand don't.

>Nice dodge, TerryTroll, but once again you have failed to deny 
>that you are an amoral scumbag who over-compensates for a severe 
>inferiority complex by unjustly slandering Amiga users with your 
>outlandish lies.

Let's try this again, attributing to me what your sins are doesn't 
fly. Your horse didn't get out of the starting gate. You are the
one using the outlandish lies, garbage hyperbole and just about
any trick at all to divert attention from the fact that you don't
use an Amiga.

Terry

 
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tpalfrey (1197)
8/28/2003 9:29:05 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
news:L1.G1.8R2x1kAzQPd4AVe.NR@zool.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>> Can't find it huh?
> 
> I don't need to

You do if you want to gain any sort of credibility here.

> The fact that you can't google either
> is not my problem.

I cannot Google that which does not exist.  Obviously neither can
you or you wouldn't be ducking, dodging, and weaving so badly. 

>> Face it, you got caught lying again but you're too big 
>> a weasel to admit it.
> 
> Heh, oooh, aren't we all definite. Who got caught welcher?

You did, obviously.

>> As you well know, my Amigas have been on-line for many, many
>> years. 
> 
> No I don't

No, of course not, it wouldn't suit your agenda to notice all the
evidence that have been slapped in your face over the years. 

>> But what on earth does that have to do with your inability to
>> back 
>>  up your claims???  Just another TerryTroll smokescreen
>>  perchance? 
> 
> I gave my opinion, just because you can't figure out what they
> were or how to read them that's not my problem.

Smokescreen it is!


-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/28/2003 2:29:35 PM
In article <Z1.V1.8R2I2fhzQPdrUtf.NR@zool.com>,
 "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote:

> So Tim, are you taking up Gary's cause too? Noel for whatever
> reasons has. As an Atari/Mac guy who has never used an Amiga
> I can see where you just don't have a clue but you should at
> least be able to discern a principled position when you see one.
> 
> Gary has abandoned his. It's a sad sight.

The sad sight is watching you flounder around trying to justify your 
deliberate misinterpretation of Gary's words.  You used to do this sort 
of thing much better.  Disheartening to watch an old troll who's lost 
his fastball.

> Say, how is macdumb now that you have a pre-emptive multitasking
> operating system of your very own?

See, there you go and do it again.  That's got to be one of the most 
obvious troll attempts since, well, your recent attack on Gary.

-- 
Tim
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tas (119)
8/29/2003 6:48:33 AM
In article <Xns93E574512C59Bolsy@193.216.69.37>, bbolsoy@hotmail.nospam 
says...


>  Probably a bug rather than a performance issue per se, even my 
>  modest 640Mhz Celeron I can run 2-4 heavy customchip games or 
>  demos side-by-side at +25 fps. What game games are they?

AB3D, Napalm, (it crawls on AGA emulation), SWOS (When it gets crowded) and 
a few others, mainly massed sprites seem to be a killer. WinUAE is a very 
good piece of software, no argument, but it isn't perfect. (What is? The 
only problem I really have with WinUAE is stability.)



> 
>  WinUAE is still a bit buggy and unstable now and then, but its
>  speed can't be denied.
> 
> 
>  Regards...

It is fast, running some apps is clearly faster than on my real Amiga. 
(Which is unfortunately 4,500 miles away...) and many games perform 
wonderfully. Tweaking the options gets good performance in most stuff and I 
can live with it happily, but it does demand some serious power from the PC 
hardware. That's fine, I wouldn't expect anything else from it, I don't 
expect a PSX emulator to run fast on slower hardware either and an Amiga 
was (and still is) a complicated piece of hardware. The excess power on my 
PC is put to good use playing some games that were made when gameplay 
wasn't something that the accountants decided wasn't necessary. 
0
8/29/2003 7:25:42 AM
"Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com> wrote in
message news:tas-2E7B53.23483328082003@corp.supernews.com...

> In article <Z1.V1.8R2I2fhzQPdrUtf.NR@zool.com>,
>  "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote:

> > So Tim, are you taking up Gary's cause too? Noel for whatever
> > reasons has. As an Atari/Mac guy who has never used an Amiga
> > I can see where you just don't have a clue but you should at
> > least be able to discern a principled position when you see one.

> > Gary has abandoned his. It's a sad sight.

> The sad sight is watching you flounder around trying to justify your
> deliberate misinterpretation of Gary's words.  You used to do this sort
> of thing much better.  Disheartening to watch an old troll who's lost
> his fastball.

So, you are taking up Gary's cause.

The words by themselves are indeed innocuous but there is no
misinterpretation. The context of those words was CSAA not
private e-mail. Gary has already stood on his soapbox and
roundly condemned those who would not take the same
position he held. Now those innocuous words seem at extreme
odds with his prior self righteous actions and he is being called
on it.

> > Say, how is macdumb now that you have a pre-emptive multitasking
> > operating system of your very own?

> See, there you go and do it again.  That's got to be one of the most
> obvious troll attempts since, well, your recent attack on Gary.

Opps, that should have been "MacDom".

Terry




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tpalfrey1 (19)
8/29/2003 8:59:12 AM
"Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
message news:Xns93E5527B75EA9gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

> "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
> news:Z1.V1.8R2I2fhzQPdrUtf.NR@zool.com:

> > "Timothy A. Seufert" writes:

> >>Just a hint, old chum: you may not be aware, having a permanent
> >>address in the TerrySteveUniverse, but here in reality it was
> >>an incredibly lame and puerile attempt at negative spin which
> >>fell flat on its face as soon as you posted it.

> > So Tim, are you taking up Gary's cause too? Noel for whatever
> > reasons has. As an Atari/Mac guy who has never used an Amiga
> > I can see where you just don't have a clue but you should at
> > least be able to discern a principled position when you see one.

> Obviously he can.  That's why he so elequently slammed your pathetic
> unprincipled adhominem attack upon me.

Eloquently? Not likely, what's with you taking any bone as some sort
of endorsement of your silliness?

My attack was neither pathetic or ad hominem, please try and figure
this out on your own. My *observation* cuts to the bone, you stood on
your high horse declaring that there was only *one* interpretation
of the Amithlon/H&P ugliness and now you've posted watered down
pulchritude.

Got it.

Terry



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tpalfrey1 (19)
8/29/2003 9:06:36 AM
"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
news:vku5ss5ndsab6@corp.supernews.com: 

> 
> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
> message news:Xns93E5527B75EA9gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
> 
>> "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
>> news:Z1.V1.8R2I2fhzQPdrUtf.NR@zool.com:
> 
>> > "Timothy A. Seufert" writes:
> 
>> >>Just a hint, old chum: you may not be aware, having a permanent
>> >>address in the TerrySteveUniverse, but here in reality it was
>> >>an incredibly lame and puerile attempt at negative spin which
>> >>fell flat on its face as soon as you posted it.
> 
>> > So Tim, are you taking up Gary's cause too? Noel for whatever
>> > reasons has. As an Atari/Mac guy who has never used an Amiga
>> > I can see where you just don't have a clue but you should at
>> > least be able to discern a principled position when you see
>> > one. 
> 
>> Obviously he can.  That's why he so elequently slammed your
>> pathetic unprincipled adhominem attack upon me.
> 
> Eloquently? Not likely

Would you prefer the word "accurately"?

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gbeeton (1728)
8/29/2003 2:00:54 PM
Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<Xns93E0112C1ED44gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159>...
> AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com (SG) wrote in
> news:34577b4f.0308222302.53acc973@posting.google.com: 
> 
> > "MrJumbles" <fauxbrick1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:<1061113223.868055@grimiore.conceptual.net.au>... 
> >> its true..
> >> heres the proof..
> >> http://www.totalamiga.org/bts.html
> >> 
> >> Who can refute this evidence?
> > 
> > My Althlon 2400 runs at AF5.X general non-iterative tasks at about
> > 020 speed, simple number crunching loops are somewhat faster with
> > JIT accel, but then the emulation crashes like crazy instead of
> > regularly--overall unusable for anything but contorted display
> > legacy gaming.
> 
> The referenced article clearly states that Total Amiga uses Amithlon, 
> not AF5.x.  Please come back once you have tried Amithlon.

AF5 uses the legal version of the Amithlon engine, parts of Amithlon
of course were stolen and it is thus illegal and abondoned.  At any
rate, it runs about the same speed, unbelievably slow.
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8/29/2003 3:18:13 PM
"Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
message news:Xns93E650E6A1BBBgbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

> "T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
> news:vku5evqnp71b6d@corp.supernews.com:

> > So, you are taking up Gary's cause.

> The only "cause" I have is the public humiliation of
> the malicious troll who attacked me without cause.

Uh Gary, that would be my story, you attacked me over my
simple  `show me' test - you do remember going `kookoo
for coco puffs' because for some reason or other I wanted
proof of your currency with your A4K.

Time to cut and snip again, you've been caught.

>You, OTOH, seem to have your own
> nefarious agenda for doing so.

Maybe I'll pull a few of your posts from your chicken little
days when you roamed the barnyard with your *more
powerful* Amiga declaring freedom for one and all with
your writings on the side of the barn.

Your friends will certainly help you in trying to yell
more loudly to cover up all that behaviour.

Terry



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tpalfrey1 (19)
8/29/2003 4:39:20 PM
On 29 Aug 2003 08:18:13 -0700, AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com (SG) wrote:


> > The referenced article clearly states that Total Amiga uses Amithlon, 
> > not AF5.x.  Please come back once you have tried Amithlon.
> 
> AF5 uses the legal version of the Amithlon engine, parts of Amithlon
> of course were stolen and it is thus illegal and abondoned.  At any
> rate, it runs about the same speed, unbelievably slow.


Incorrect as usual. There is no Amithlon 'engine' in UAE. It does not
run unbelievably slow - either UAE or Amithlon, unless you are once
again referring to your joke of a review that you did on your stupid
mis-configured Compaq laptop. What kind of idiot would set UAE ram to
more ram than you physically had. Someone who was trying to defend the
amazinly slow performance of a 15 year old Amiga? 

Which parts of Amithlon were stolen? H&P continue to sell a pirated
product. They are the ones who are the theives, you know. I don't
recommend buying any product from H&P ever.


-- 
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Rockin!!!

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dslcc (23)
8/29/2003 11:40:16 PM
"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in 
news:vkv0dpn4gmop1c@corp.supernews.com:

> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
> message news:Xns93E650E6A1BBBgbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
> 
>> The only "cause" I have is the public humiliation of
>> the malicious troll who attacked me without cause.
> 
> Uh Gary, that would be my story

Terry says being a malicious troll is the story of his life.  You heard 
it here first, folks!


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gbeeton (1728)
8/30/2003 12:10:39 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in 
>news:vkv0dpn4gmop1c@corp.supernews.com:

>> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
>> message news:Xns93E650E6A1BBBgbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
 
>>> The only "cause" I have is the public humiliation of
>>> the malicious troll who attacked me without cause.
 
>> Uh Gary, that would be my story

>Terry says being a malicious troll is the story of his life.  
>You heard it here first, folks!

That is perhaps the saddest admission that you have made to
date. Now you have to cut mid sentence to even *score*, even
in your own little world that must be humiliating.

Terry

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tpalfrey (1197)
8/30/2003 1:51:25 AM
In article <vku5evqnp71b6d@corp.supernews.com>,
 "T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote:

> "Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com> wrote in
> message news:tas-2E7B53.23483328082003@corp.supernews.com...
> 
> > In article <Z1.V1.8R2I2fhzQPdrUtf.NR@zool.com>,
> >  "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote:
> 
> > > So Tim, are you taking up Gary's cause too? Noel for whatever
> > > reasons has. As an Atari/Mac guy who has never used an Amiga
> > > I can see where you just don't have a clue but you should at
> > > least be able to discern a principled position when you see one.
> 
> > > Gary has abandoned his. It's a sad sight.
> 
> > The sad sight is watching you flounder around trying to justify your
> > deliberate misinterpretation of Gary's words.  You used to do this sort
> > of thing much better.  Disheartening to watch an old troll who's lost
> > his fastball.
> 
> So, you are taking up Gary's cause.

No, I'm just pointing out that you haven't got a leg to stand on.

> The words by themselves are indeed innocuous but there is no
> misinterpretation. The context of those words was CSAA not
> private e-mail.

Who said anything about private email?

> Gary has already stood on his soapbox and
> roundly condemned those who would not take the same
> position he held. Now those innocuous words seem at extreme
> odds with his prior self righteous actions and he is being called
> on it.

Oddly enough, you seem to be the only person who has interpreted Gary's 
comment as a reversal of his previous position.  I wonder why that is?


> > > Say, how is macdumb now that you have a pre-emptive multitasking
> > > operating system of your very own?
> 
> > See, there you go and do it again.  That's got to be one of the most
> > obvious troll attempts since, well, your recent attack on Gary.
> 
> Opps, that should have been "MacDom".

Even had you written it that way to begin with it would still have been 
a rather pathetic troll.

-- 
Tim
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tas (119)
8/30/2003 2:44:38 AM
"Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:tas-CF1107.19443629082003@corp.supernews.com...

> In article <vku5evqnp71b6d@corp.supernews.com>,
>  "T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote:

> > "Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com> wrote in
> > message news:tas-2E7B53.23483328082003@corp.supernews.com...

> > > In article <Z1.V1.8R2I2fhzQPdrUtf.NR@zool.com>,
> > >  "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote:

> > > > So Tim, are you taking up Gary's cause too? Noel for whatever
> > > > reasons has. As an Atari/Mac guy who has never used an Amiga
> > > > I can see where you just don't have a clue but you should at
> > > > least be able to discern a principled position when you see one.

> > > > Gary has abandoned his. It's a sad sight.

> > > The sad sight is watching you flounder around trying to justify your
> > > deliberate misinterpretation of Gary's words.  You used to do this
sort
> > > of thing much better.  Disheartening to watch an old troll who's lost
> > > his fastball.

> > So, you are taking up Gary's cause.

> No, I'm just pointing out that you haven't got a leg to stand on.

What, you can't express your direct support for Gary?

As a sometimes poster here, that mirrors the likes
of Mad Dog when it comes to your Amiga experience,
I suppose that's okay but never having been on the receiving end
of Gary's vitriol filled diatribes you probably aren't sensitized to
such an extreme reversal of position.

> > The words by themselves are indeed innocuous but there is no
> > misinterpretation. The context of those words was CSAA not
> > private e-mail.

> Who said anything about private email?

Instead of using private e-mail to "inform" Sam, who already
knew about Amithlon's status and appeared to be honouring the ethical
position adopted by a great many people, Gary chose to reverse his
moral stand about the illegality of any such sales in this group where
he ranted long and hard about Steve's "othere side" views.

> > Gary has already stood on his soapbox and
> > roundly condemned those who would not take the same
> > position he held. Now those innocuous words seem at extreme
> > odds with his prior self righteous actions and he is being called
> > on it.

> Oddly enough, you seem to be the only person who has interpreted Gary's
> comment as a reversal of his previous position.  I wonder why that is?

Aside from his tag team partner and you,  name a few people who would care
to stand in the line of fire for the spew that originates from the Beeton
troll
when disagreed with.

> > > > Say, how is macdumb now that you have a pre-emptive multitasking
> > > > operating system of your very own?

> > > See, there you go and do it again.  That's got to be one of the most
> > > obvious troll attempts since, well, your recent attack on Gary.

> > Opps, that should have been "MacDom".

> Even had you written it that way to begin with it would still have been
> a rather pathetic troll.

As Gary would say, answer the question :^)

Improvement or not?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Terry


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tpalfrey1 (19)
8/30/2003 2:03:03 PM
"Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
message news:Xns93E76606A8102gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

> "T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
> news:vl1bkmn4tsoh4b@corp.supernews.com:

> > What, you can't express your direct support for Gary?

> Funny, I don't see anybody supporting TerryTroll.  Far, far from it.

I don't think I need anybody to do that. You however do.

> > I suppose that's okay but never having been on the receiving end
> > of Gary's vitriol filled diatribes you probably aren't sensitized
> > to such an extreme reversal of position.

> Tim hasn't earned my retribution.  You most certainly have.

Hell's fire and damnation. You are a wanker who has never put
up but tells everyone to shut up.

> > Instead of using private e-mail to "inform" Sam, who already
> > knew about Amithlon's status

> You have no evidence to support that rather unlikely hypothesis.
> You are putting words in Sam's mouth to further your own nefarious
> agenda.

Multifarious, determined to advocate despite what the trolls do.

Two things, one, why not private e-mail? Two, I sense intonation
and tone far better than you are capable of doing and I felt that
Sam was writing in lament because of the very public and well
known "dispute" that has rendered the buying of Amithlon from
H&P less than PC if you agree in any part with Bernd's camp
and not because there was a lack of availability for purchase.

Aside from that, you posted a direct reversal of your opinion
as rendered long and loudly over Steve's position by referring
to the situation as a "mere" dispute and citing where it could
be purchased.

> > and appeared to be honouring the
> > ethical position adopted by a great many people,

> Ah, so now it's an "ethical position" to boycott H&P because of their
> illegal sale of Amithlon.

ETHICAL:

adhering to ethical and moral principles; "it seems ethical and right";
"followed the only honorable course of action"; "had the moral courage
to stand alone"; being in accordance with the accepted principles of
right and wrong [syn: honourable, moral]

OR:

1. conforming to accepted standards: consistent with agreed
principles of correct moral conduct
While such activities are not strictly illegal,
they are certainly not ethical.


     Antonyms:
      corrupt, dishonest, dishonorable, immoral, unethical, unrighteous


> So much for your neutrality, huh, TrollBoy?

Being practical
Practical and applied ethics is often thought of as a process of

de-escalating moral conflicts to the point of non-violent resolution,

reducing harm, and educating as required so that each participant

in a conflict can effectively see the other's point of view.

Without this, we fall back to the simplistic view, which is

"I am right and you are wrong and you do what I say."

(This is usually called moral absolutism). This kind of assertion,

backed by force, is the basis of much authority and it leads to

violence very often. So much so that it turns out not to be the

simplest way to live among humans in the long run, even if it is

accepted by small groups (say a whole family) in the short run.


Ethics balancing rights
A simple, practical view, as advanced by Rushworth Kidder, is that

ethics balances "right versus right": if there's a dispute we care to hear,

then each side must have some right on it. However, this presupposes

some instinctive moral core of the individual that must recognize

right and wrong, else we do not have two individuals asserting "right"

and requiring ethical help: if either in fact secretly believes themselves

"wrong" then they are engaging in tactics to reduce the change of

getting caught or alerting others to it, neither of which is studied by

ethics. Ethics can thus be viewed as a lever but one that rests on a

moral fulcrum of pre-existing assumptions, like the bodies of the

beings in conflict, placed there by circumstances, environments,

situations, mostly out of their control - only the choice of resolution

is under their own control

> You seem content to change your tune whenever it suits you
> agenda.  So which one are you then, TerryTroll, the "fool" or the
> "zealot"?

Seems that you hit most of that in your rants. My position remains
the same, there is a lack of information to form a proper opinion.

> > Gary chose to
> > reverse his moral stand about the illegality of any such sales in
> > this group where he ranted long and hard about Steve's "othere
> > side" views.

> Your bullshit runneth over.

You took the moral high ground, the only place from there is down.

> > Aside from his tag team partner and you,  name a few people who
> > would care to stand in the line of fire for the spew that
> > originates from the Beeton troll
> > when disagreed with.

> Aside from your master/mentor and yourself, name one person who
> deserves being spewed upon.  [Consider that to be a challenge.  You
> may, therefore, run away from it.]

Troll spew, eeyuck.

Mr. Anonymous.

But again, despite the expertise claimed in this group I doubt anyone
can penetrate his shields via analysis or tracking, I harken back to
Lawana.


Terry



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tpalfrey1 (19)
8/31/2003 2:43:23 AM
> >
> > > > So Tim, are you taking up Gary's cause too? Noel for whatever
> > > > reasons has. As an Atari/Mac guy who has never used an Amiga
> > > > I can see where you just don't have a clue but you should at
> > > > least be able to discern a principled position when you see one.
> > 
> > > > Gary has abandoned his. It's a sad sight.
> > 
> > > The sad sight is watching you flounder around trying to justify your
> > > deliberate misinterpretation of Gary's words.  You used to do this sort
> > > of thing much better.  Disheartening to watch an old troll who's lost
> > > his fastball.
> > 
> > So, you are taking up Gary's cause.
> 
> No, I'm just pointing out that you haven't got a leg to stand on.
> 
> > The words by themselves are indeed innocuous but there is no
> > misinterpretation. The context of those words was CSAA not
> > private e-mail.
> 
> Who said anything about private email?
> 
> > Gary has already stood on his soapbox and
> > roundly condemned those who would not take the same
> > position he held. Now those innocuous words seem at extreme
> > odds with his prior self righteous actions and he is being called
> > on it.
> 
> Oddly enough, you seem to be the only person who has interpreted Gary's 
> comment as a reversal of his previous position.  I wonder why that is?
> 
> 
> > > > Say, how is macdumb now that you have a pre-emptive multitasking
> > > > operating system of your very own?
> > 
> > > See, there you go and do it again.  That's got to be one of the most
> > > obvious troll attempts since, well, your recent attack on Gary.
> > 
> > Opps, that should have been "MacDom".
> 
> Even had you written it that way to begin with it would still have been 
> a rather pathetic troll.
> 
> -- 
> Tim
>
> >
> > > > So Tim, are you taking up Gary's cause too? Noel for whatever
> > > > reasons has. As an Atari/Mac guy who has never used an Amiga
> > > > I can see where you just don't have a clue but you should at
> > > > least be able to discern a principled position when you see one.
> > 
> > > > Gary has abandoned his. It's a sad sight.
> > 
> > > The sad sight is watching you flounder around trying to justify your
> > > deliberate misinterpretation of Gary's words.  You used to do this sort
> > > of thing much better.  Disheartening to watch an old troll who's lost
> > > his fastball.
> > 
> > So, you are taking up Gary's cause.
> 
> No, I'm just pointing out that you haven't got a leg to stand on.
> 
> > The words by themselves are indeed innocuous but there is no
> > misinterpretation. The context of those words was CSAA not
> > private e-mail.
> 
> Who said anything about private email?
> 
> > Gary has already stood on his soapbox and
> > roundly condemned those who would not take the same
> > position he held. Now those innocuous words seem at extreme
> > odds with his prior self righteous actions and he is being called
> > on it.
> 
> Oddly enough, you seem to be the only person who has interpreted Gary's 
> comment as a reversal of his previous position.  I wonder why that is?
> 
> 
> > > > Say, how is macdumb now that you have a pre-emptive multitasking
> > > > operating system of your very own?
> > 
> > > See, there you go and do it again.  That's got to be one of the most
> > > obvious troll attempts since, well, your recent attack on Gary.
> > 
> > Opps, that should have been "MacDom".
> 
> Even had you written it that way to begin with it would still have been 
> a rather pathetic troll.
> 
> -- 
> Tim
>"Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 222 340893 <tas-CF1107.19443629082003@corp.supernews.com> article retrieved - body follows
> In article <vku5evqnp71b6d@corp.supernews.com>,
>  "T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote:
> 
> > "Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com> wrote in
> > message news:tas-2E7B53.23483328082003@corp.supernews.com...
> > 
> > > In article <Z1.V1.8R2I2fhzQPdrUtf.NR@zool.com>,
> > >  "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > > So Tim, are you taking up Gary's cause too? Noel for whatever
> > > > reasons has. As an Atari/Mac guy who has never used an Amiga
> > > > I can see where you just don't have a clue but you should at
> > > > least be able to discern a principled position when you see one.
> > 
> > > > Gary has abandoned his. It's a sad sight.
> > 
> > > The sad sight is watching you flounder around trying to justify your
> > > deliberate misinterpretation of Gary's words.  You used to do this sort
> > > of thing much better.  Disheartening to watch an old troll who's lost
> > > his fastball.
> > 
> > So, you are taking up Gary's cause.
> 
> No, I'm just pointing out that you haven't got a leg to stand on.
> 
> > The words by themselves are indeed innocuous but there is no
> > misinterpretation. The context of those words was CSAA not
> > private e-mail.
> 
> Who said anything about private email?
> 
> > Gary has already stood on his soapbox and
> > roundly condemned those who would not take the same
> > position he held. Now those innocuous words seem at extreme
> > odds with his prior self righteous actions and he is being called
> > on it.
> 
> Oddly enough, you seem to be the only person who has interpreted Gary's 
> comment as a reversal of his previous position.  I wonder why that is?
> 
> 
> > > > Say, how is macdumb now that you have a pre-emptive multitasking
> > > > operating system of your very own?
> > 
> > > See, there you go and do it again.  That's got to be one of the most
> > > obvious troll attempts since, well, your recent attack on Gary.
> > 
> > Opps, that should have been "MacDom".
> 
> Even had you written it that way to begin with it would still have been 
> a rather pathetic troll.
> 
> -- 
> Tim
> 

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tpalfrey (1197)
8/31/2003 3:55:18 AM
"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
news:vl2o6bf33abo49@corp.supernews.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
> message news:Xns93E76606A8102gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
> 
>> Funny, I don't see anybody supporting TerryTroll.  Far, far from
>> it. 
> 
> I don't think I need anybody to do that.

Well, it's good that you don't care that nobody believes any of the 
shit you post, because it doubt you could live with yourself if you 
*had* any self-respect.

>> Tim hasn't earned my retribution.  You most certainly have.
> 
> Hell's fire and damnation. You are a wanker who has never put
> up but tells everyone to shut up.

You prove my point for me!

>> > Instead of using private e-mail to "inform" Sam, who already
>> > knew about Amithlon's status
> 
>> You have no evidence to support that rather unlikely hypothesis.
>> You are putting words in Sam's mouth to further your own
>> nefarious agenda.
> 
> Multifarious, determined to advocate despite what the trolls do.

Your dyslexia is showing.  Obviously you meant to say "determined to 
troll despite what the advocates do".

> Two things, one, why not private e-mail?

I've already explained that to you.  Please pay attention.

> Two, I sense intonation
> and tone far better than you are capable of doing and I felt that
> Sam was writing in lament because of the very public and well
> known "dispute" that has rendered the buying of Amithlon from
> H&P less than PC if you agree in any part with Bernd's camp
> and not because there was a lack of availability for purchase.

Don't give up your day job, TrollBoy!  Unlike you and Steve, most 
people here say what they mean and mean what they say.  I have no 
reason to believe that Sam was lying when he said that Amithlon 
wasn't available.  The most obvious and logical conclusion is that he 
was simply uninformed of the facts.  I informed him.  But that most 
obvious and simple conclusion doesn't suit your nefarious agenda very 
well, does it TerryTroll?

> Aside from that, you posted a direct reversal of your opinion

Bullshit!  Pure TerryTroll fabrication at its stinkiest.  You would 
be ashamed of yourself if you had any self-respect!

>> Ah, so now it's an "ethical position" to boycott H&P because of
>> their illegal sale of Amithlon.
> 
> ETHICAL:
> 
> adhering to ethical and moral principles; "it seems ethical and
> right"; "followed the only honorable course of action"; "had the
> moral courage to stand alone"; being in accordance with the
> accepted principles of right and wrong [syn: honourable, moral]

You are exceptionally good at parroting other people's words without 
the slightest little bit of comprehension of what they were trying to 
say.  It is plainly obvious that you have no concept whatsoever of 
the meaning of the word "ethical"!!!

>      Antonyms:
>       corrupt, dishonest, dishonorable, immoral, unethical,
>       unrighteous 

Now *those* words you are intimately familiar with - TerryTroll's 
mantra.

>> So much for your neutrality, huh, TrollBoy?
> 
[yet more of TerryTroll's parroted smokescreen snipped]

No answer, huh, TerryTroll?

>> You seem content to change your tune whenever it suits you
>> agenda.  So which one are you then, TerryTroll, the "fool" or the
>> "zealot"?
> 
> Seems that you hit most of that in your rants.

"Fool" it is then.

> My position remains
> the same, there is a lack of information to form a proper opinion.

That is not a position, TrollBoy, that is a NON-position.  And, just 
for the record, I originally challenged you for your opinion on 
whether Steve's bullshit on the matter was good or bad for the Amiga 
community.  I don't suppose you'll ever stop dodging that challenge, 
will you?

> You took the moral high ground, the only place from there is down.

Your bullshit sticks to you, TrollBoy.

>> Aside from your master/mentor and yourself, name one person who
>> deserves being spewed upon.  [Consider that to be a challenge. 
>> You may, therefore, run away from it.]
> 
> Mr. Anonymous.

I said ASIDE from Steve and yourself.  Give up?

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Binaries are not welcome in c.s.a.a.  Please, TerryTroll, show a 
little respect for the users of this newsgroup by not posting them.  
(Then again, if you had any respect for the users of c.s.a.a you 
would not be polluting it with all your infantile adhominem attacks, 
would you!)

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/31/2003 6:47:35 AM
Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<Xns93E8802EEECEgbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159>...

> Don't give up your day job, TrollBoy!  Unlike you and Steve, most 
> people here say what they mean and mean what they say.  I have no 
> reason to believe that Sam was lying when he said that Amithlon 
> wasn't available.  

Meyer said long ago he has pulled all Amithlon main .exe licenses to
limit futher legal damages--but no refunds.
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8/31/2003 11:00:15 AM
On 31 Aug 2003 04:00:15 -0700, AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com (SG) ranted and
raved about <34577b4f.0308310300.3717be2a@posting.google.com> in :

> Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:<Xns93E8802EEECEgbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159>...
> 
> > Don't give up your day job, TrollBoy!  Unlike you and Steve, most 
> > people here say what they mean and mean what they say.  I have no 
> > reason to believe that Sam was lying when he said that Amithlon 
> > wasn't available.  
> 
> Meyer said long ago he has pulled all Amithlon main .exe licenses to
> limit futher legal damages--but no refunds.

Oh, Jeez!  Are we back to this shit again?

-- 
Brian     Team *AMIGA*        NewsCoaster v1.57
Member "I Am Amiga" Fan Club
"La Amiga est morte.  Viva la Amiga!"

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8/31/2003 5:25:25 PM
On 24 Aug 2003 14:19:42 -0600, "David S Lund" ranted and raved about
<93668591527921.NC-1.58.dslcc@news.charter.net> in :

> 50 factor. A very impressive speed indeed. The crashing like crazy part
> is due to intentional mis-configuration on Steve's part. :)

Oh, I don't know about intentional...  I mean, the man has made it so
painfully obvious that he doesn't have a clue whatsoever about Windows (pick a
version), nor about how to buy a decent PC.

I blame ignorance.

-- 
Brian     Team *AMIGA*        NewsCoaster v1.57
Member "I Am Amiga" Fan Club
"La Amiga est morte.  Viva la Amiga!"

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8/31/2003 6:22:15 PM
On 29 Aug 2003 17:40:16 -0600, "David S Lund" ranted and raved about
<937110601123423.NC-1.58.dslcc@news.charter.net> in :

> Incorrect as usual. There is no Amithlon 'engine' in UAE. It does not
> run unbelievably slow - either UAE or Amithlon, unless you are once
> again referring to your joke of a review that you did on your stupid
> mis-configured Compaq laptop. What kind of idiot would set UAE ram to
> more ram than you physically had. Someone who was trying to defend the
> amazinly slow performance of a 15 year old Amiga? 

HEY NOW, don't knock Compaq laptops!  Mine runs WinUAE quite nicely!  =:)

-- 
Brian     Team *AMIGA*        NewsCoaster v1.57
Member "I Am Amiga" Fan Club
"La Amiga est morte.  Viva la Amiga!"

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8/31/2003 6:31:37 PM
"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
news:vl3nfsbn0nhk56@corp.supernews.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:Xns93E8802EEECEgbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
> 
>> Well, it's good that you don't care that nobody believes any of
>> the shit you post, because it doubt you could live with yourself
>> if you *had* any self-respect.
> 
> You should try taking your meds on a regular basis.

And if you had followed your own advice you would not now be in this 
mess you've made for yourself.

>> >> Tim hasn't earned my retribution.  You most certainly have.
> 
>> > Hell's fire and damnation. You are a wanker who has never put
>> > up but tells everyone to shut up.
> 
>> You prove my point for me!
> 
> Hmm, don't see any denial.

For the dimwits in the crowd (that would be you, Terry), TrollBoy has 
earned my retribution due in large part to the numerous outrageous 
lies he spews about me.  For example, the statement above where 
TrollBoy says that I am "a wanker who has never put up but tells 
everyone to shut up" is an outrageous and rather obvious lie.  For 
this and TerryTroll's numerous other slimy indiscretions, he has 
earned himself every single bit of abuse that has been thrust his way 
by myself and the many, many others he has shit upon over the years.

>> Your dyslexia is showing.  Obviously you meant to say "determined
>> to troll despite what the advocates do".
> 
> As one person already said, how come in an advocacy group the
> guy who uses the machine and promotes it is called a troll. D'uh.

If you actually did promote the Amiga instead of spending all your 
time trolling then you wouldn't be in the pickle you find youself in 
today.  BTW, did you happen to notice how quickly that person 
disappeared when that fact was pointed out to him?!

>> > Two things, one, why not private e-mail?
> 
>> I've already explained that to you.  Please pay attention.
> 
> Yes, you were trolling.

Nice dodge, but no.  Go back read it again.  Then when still can't 
understand simple English, have somebody explain it to you.  When 
that too fails, have somebody slap you silly (shouldn't take too 
long).

>> Don't give up your day job, TrollBoy!  Unlike you and Steve, most
>> people here say what they mean and mean what they say.  I have no
>> reason to believe that Sam was lying when he said that Amithlon
>> wasn't available.  The most obvious and logical conclusion is
>> that he was simply uninformed of the facts.  I informed him.  But
>> that most obvious and simple conclusion doesn't suit your
>> nefarious agenda very well, does it TerryTroll?
> 
> Why didn't you sell him your copy which won't run on your non
> AMD system.

See?  I told you you don't understand "ethics"!

(Oh, and BTW, you should refresh your knowledge of Amithlon before 
you make too many more silly comments - Amithlon would run fine on my 
system if I were to install the existing upgrades)

>> > Aside from that, you posted a direct reversal of your opinion
> 
>> Bullshit!  Pure TerryTroll fabrication at its stinkiest.  You
>> would be ashamed of yourself if you had any self-respect!
> 
> Look in the mirror, the issues you have are with yourself.

YOU, TerryTroll, are the one I have issues with as it is YOU who is 
spewing bullshit about me.  Please explain your agenda for spreading 
lies about me.

>> You are exceptionally good at parroting other people's words
>> without the slightest little bit of comprehension of what they
>> were trying to say.  It is plainly obvious that you have no
>> concept whatsoever of the meaning of the word "ethical"!!!
> 
> Caught you.

Laughing at you?  Yes, you did!  I should be ashamed at myself for 
laughing at someone as pathetic as you but I just can't help myself.

>> >      Antonyms:
>> >       corrupt, dishonest, dishonorable, immoral, unethical,
>> >       unrighteous
> 
>> Now *those* words you are intimately familiar with - TerryTroll's
>> mantra.
> 
> Okay chicken little.

Confession #4:  Terry admits that "corrupt, dishonest, dishonorable, 
immoral, unethical, unrighteous" is his mantra.

>> >> So much for your neutrality, huh, TrollBoy?
> 
>> [yet more of TerryTroll's parroted smokescreen snipped]
> 
>> No answer, huh, TerryTroll?
> 
> You snipped it.

No, I snipped your smokescreen.  Please answer the question.

>> >> You seem content to change your tune whenever it suits you
>> >> agenda.  So which one are you then, TerryTroll, the "fool" or
>> >> the "zealot"?
> 
>> > Seems that you hit most of that in your rants.
> 
>> "Fool" it is then.
> 
> See, put up or shut up.

Que???  Your brain appears to be on the wrong page again.  Put *what* 
up?

>> That is not a position, TrollBoy, that is a NON-position.  And,
>> just for the record, I originally challenged you for your opinion
>> on whether Steve's bullshit on the matter was good or bad for the
>> Amiga community.  I don't suppose you'll ever stop dodging that
>> challenge, will you?
> 
> And if you could actually read for understanding you'd see what I
> said. If Steve is guilty of something you are equally as guilty
> for repressing free speech, allowing all sides to be examined and
> trolling in CSAA.

Yup, another classic dodge from TerryTroll!  Terry, is Steve's 
position on Amithlon:

  a)  Good for the Amiga community, or
  b)  Bad for the Amiga community?

>> Your bullshit sticks to you, TrollBoy.
> 
> I didn't get on my high horse and rant all over the place.

Oh?  What, prey tell, are you doing right now then???

>> >> Aside from your master/mentor and yourself, name one person
>> >> who deserves being spewed upon.  [Consider that to be a
>> >> challenge. You may, therefore, run away from it.]
> 
>> > Mr. Anonymous.
> 
>> I said ASIDE from Steve and yourself.  Give up?
> 
> That would be a popular notion that remains unproven, so
> we know that you would never knowingly slander, libel or defame
> anyone:
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------- Gary places irrefutable proof of his charge - here.

Mr. Anonymous matches your M.O. and mantra perfectly.  His victim 
list is exactly the same as yours.  You remain one of the very few 
people who has never been his victim.  That's proof enough for me.

> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------- 
> 
>> Binaries are not welcome in c.s.a.a.
> 
> A moderator....how nice to show your face finally.

More of TerryTroll's fabrications.  How endearing, NOT.

>> Please, TerryTroll, show a  little respect for the users of this
>> newsgroup by not posting them.
> 
> Imagine my reply.

I imagine your standard "Fuck all Amigans who will not bow down to 
worship me" would fit quite nicely.

>> (Then again, if you had any respect for the users of c.s.a.a you
>> would not be polluting it with all your infantile adhominem
>> attacks, would you!)
> 
> Show us proof of your Amiga use, purchase of Amithlon and
> how you pierced Mr. Anonymous's veil and we'll see who
> is polluting CSAA.

Another not-so-clever dodge from TerryTroll, master of not-so-clever 
dodges!


-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
8/31/2003 10:12:18 PM
these guys are producing a magazine running amithlon on a pc.They
categorically state thate imagefx runs faster under amithlon
on a pc than on a cs-ppc a3000..what part of that dont you understand.

"SG" <AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:34577b4f.0308290718.100c86f1@posting.google.com...
> Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:<Xns93E0112C1ED44gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159>...
> > AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com (SG) wrote in
> > news:34577b4f.0308222302.53acc973@posting.google.com:
> >
> > > "MrJumbles" <fauxbrick1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<1061113223.868055@grimiore.conceptual.net.au>...
> > >> its true..
> > >> heres the proof..
> > >> http://www.totalamiga.org/bts.html
> > >>
> > >> Who can refute this evidence?
> > >
> > > My Althlon 2400 runs at AF5.X general non-iterative tasks at about
> > > 020 speed, simple number crunching loops are somewhat faster with
> > > JIT accel, but then the emulation crashes like crazy instead of
> > > regularly--overall unusable for anything but contorted display
> > > legacy gaming.
> >
> > The referenced article clearly states that Total Amiga uses Amithlon,
> > not AF5.x.  Please come back once you have tried Amithlon.
>
> AF5 uses the legal version of the Amithlon engine, parts of Amithlon
> of course were stolen and it is thus illegal and abondoned.  At any
> rate, it runs about the same speed, unbelievably slow.


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fauxbrick1 (13)
9/1/2003 12:51:57 AM
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:51:57 +0800, "MrJumbles" ranted and raved about
<1062377516.151017@grimiore.conceptual.net.au> in :

> these guys are producing a magazine running amithlon on a pc.They
> categorically state thate imagefx runs faster under amithlon
> on a pc than on a cs-ppc a3000..what part of that dont you understand.

Oh, but you see, Steve has a MAGIC Amiga, that is always one million times
faster and more responsive than any other computer in existence, no matter
what!  By a factor of 50!
 

-- 
Brian     Team *AMIGA*        NewsCoaster v1.57
Member "I Am Amiga" Fan Club
"La Amiga est morte.  Viva la Amiga!"

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9/1/2003 3:19:45 AM
"Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com> wrote in
message news:tas-E220CE.02041801092003@corp.supernews.com...

> In article <93721255920@a1a65803.sympatico.bconnected.net>,
>  tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote:

> [two complete copies of one of my posts, no new content]

> Was that supposed to be a response to something I wrote?

"There be many a slip between cup and lip".

Terry



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tpalfrey1 (19)
9/1/2003 3:03:26 PM
On 31 Aug 2003 04:00:15 -0700, AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com (SG) wrote:

> Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:<Xns93E8802EEECEgbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159>...
> 
> > Don't give up your day job, TrollBoy!  Unlike you and Steve, most 
> > people here say what they mean and mean what they say.  I have no 
> > reason to believe that Sam was lying when he said that Amithlon 
> > wasn't available.  
> 
> Meyer said long ago he has pulled all Amithlon main .exe licenses to
> limit futher legal damages--but no refunds.

Incorrect. There is no main.exe. He pulled out of the contract because
as you well know from listening to Bernie and Amiga, Inc. that HP did
not obtain the proper licensing and are theives. If the assholes at H&P
didn't pay for OS3.9, Genisis (amitcp), and numerous other products that
they stole, why do we think they are on the level now???

Did you ask H&P for a refund - you do know that Bernie didn't sell the
product - H&P did - go to them for a refund. Oh - you didn't buy the
product - you probalbly just pirated it like you did turboprint.
-- 
Pegasos1 * 256 MB Ram * Morphos 1.4 * 60 GB HD * Catweasel MKIII *
Rockin!!!

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dslcc (23)
9/1/2003 4:44:07 PM
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:22:15 GMT, "Brian E. Doe" wrote:


> Oh, I don't know about intentional...  I mean, the man has made it so
> painfully obvious that he doesn't have a clue whatsoever about Windows (pick a
> version), nor about how to buy a decent PC.
> 
> I blame ignorance.
> 

Could be ignorance - willful ignornace.

-- 
Pegasos1 * 256 MB Ram * Morphos 1.4 * 60 GB HD * Catweasel MKIII *
Rockin!!!

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dslcc (23)
9/1/2003 4:51:19 PM
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:31:37 GMT, "Brian E. Doe" wrote:

> On 29 Aug 2003 17:40:16 -0600, "David S Lund" ranted and raved about
> <937110601123423.NC-1.58.dslcc@news.charter.net> in :
> 
> > Incorrect as usual. There is no Amithlon 'engine' in UAE. It does not
> > run unbelievably slow - either UAE or Amithlon, unless you are once
> > again referring to your joke of a review that you did on your stupid
> > mis-configured Compaq laptop. What kind of idiot would set UAE ram to
> > more ram than you physically had. Someone who was trying to defend the
> > amazinly slow performance of a 15 year old Amiga? 
> 
> HEY NOW, don't knock Compaq laptops!  Mine runs WinUAE quite nicely!  =:)
> 

My Presario 1692 runs it good also - 433 mhz. But reading Steve's review
sure is good for a laugh anyways. :)

-- 
Pegasos1 * 256 MB Ram * Morphos 1.4 * 60 GB HD * Catweasel MKIII *
Rockin!!!

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dslcc (23)
9/1/2003 4:52:36 PM
"Brian E. Doe" <bdoe.spamsucks@nozirev.net> wrote in
news:9373139990081447.NC-1.57.bdoe.spamsucks@news.verizon.net: 
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:51:57 +0800, "MrJumbles" ranted and raved
> about 
><1062377516.151017@grimiore.conceptual.net.au> in :
> 
>> these guys are producing a magazine running amithlon on a
>> pc.They categorically state thate imagefx runs faster under
>> amithlon on a pc than on a cs-ppc a3000..what part of that dont
>> you understand. 
> 
> Oh, but you see, Steve has a MAGIC Amiga, that is always one
> million times faster and more responsive than any other computer
> in existence, no matter what!  By a factor of 50!

 Steve is not entirely out too lunch, you know. :) Today I
 visited a customer with a couple of pretty ordinary
 Celeron 2Ghz boxes and XP Home. If I didn't know better
 I'd suspect them to be p100s running NT on 32MB of ram, 
 because they were painfully slow to react sometimes.


 Regards...
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bbolsoy (27)
9/1/2003 6:34:27 PM
"Bj�rnar Bols�y" <bbolsoy@hotmail.nospam> wrote in message news:<Xns93E9D14AB3D85bbolsoy@212.83.64.229>...
> "Brian E. Doe" <bdoe.spamsucks@nozirev.net> wrote in
> news:9373139990081447.NC-1.57.bdoe.spamsucks@news.verizon.net: 
> > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:51:57 +0800, "MrJumbles" ranted and raved
> > about 
> ><1062377516.151017@grimiore.conceptual.net.au> in :
> > 
> >> these guys are producing a magazine running amithlon on a
> >> pc.They categorically state thate imagefx runs faster under
> >> amithlon on a pc than on a cs-ppc a3000..what part of that dont
> >> you understand. 
> > 
> > Oh, but you see, Steve has a MAGIC Amiga, that is always one
> > million times faster and more responsive than any other computer
> > in existence, no matter what!  By a factor of 50!
> 
>  Steve is not entirely out too lunch, you know. :) Today I
>  visited a customer with a couple of pretty ordinary
>  Celeron 2Ghz boxes and XP Home. If I didn't know better
>  I'd suspect them to be p100s running NT on 32MB of ram, 
>  because they were painfully slow to react sometimes.

Will an NT box even run with 32MB?  Even if it would, it wouldn't,
really, at least not using the original-1000-defined notion of
"running" (instant response at all times).  Problem is, adding RAM is
only a Windows fix on slimmest of margins.  XP needs a total redesign
before it will be competitive with a modern OS that was designed from
the ground up for a RAM rich system, like AOS.

Residency is the name of the game in the modern world (always was...
but until recently it was hopeless for Windows to even try to fathom
such a reality).  Any OS that doesn't keep all executable OS and
application code 100% resident 100% of the time, will continue to
fail, at least until hard drives are faster than RAM and without seek
time.

There is simply no way to get XP off total hard drive dependency, its
hopelessly hooked; an incurable addict that unfortunately will have to
be written off rather than saved.
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9/2/2003 12:24:03 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
>news:vl3nfsbn0nhk56@corp.supernews.com: 

>> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:Xns93E8802EEECEgbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

>>>Well, it's good that you don't care that nobody believes any of
>>>the shit you post, because it doubt you could live with yourself
>>>if you *had* any self-respect.

>>You should try taking your meds on a regular basis.

>And if you had followed your own advice you would not now be in 
>this  mess you've made for yourself.

Ooops, now I am to believe I am in a mess when your very public 
record is available for recall? I think not. You keep trying
to project your values onto me and thinking that it means 
something. It doesn't. Somehow you have parlayed a simple
challenge to put up or shut up over your current Amiga use
into some sort of holy war. The sad fact is that it only
exists in your head.

>>>>> Tim hasn't earned my retribution.  You most certainly have.

>>>>Hell's fire and damnation. You are a wanker who has never put
>>>>up but tells everyone to shut up.

>>> You prove my point for me!

>> Hmm, don't see any denial.

>For the dimwits in the crowd (that would be you, Terry), TrollBoy 
>has earned my retribution due in large part to the numerous 
>outrageous lies he spews about me.  For example, the statement 
>above where TrollBoy says that I am "a wanker who has never put 
>up but tells everyone to shut up" is an outrageous and rather 
>obvious lie.  For this and TerryTroll's numerous other slimy 
>indiscretions, he has earned himself every single bit of abuse 
>that has been thrust his way by myself and the many, many others 
>he has shit upon over the years.

Seems a little bit like meglomania setting in. RETRIBUTION!!!
Outrageous lies, like when I asked how your "more powerful"
Amiga was more powerful with an A4K still running MB ram.

Admitting to abuse without prompting is so demeaning. Proved my
point again. Gary, pull yourself together, put the cable
connection back into your Amiga and post from it like a man.

>>>Your dyslexia is showing.  Obviously you meant to say 
>>>"determined to troll despite what the advocates do".

>>As one person already said, how come in an advocacy group the
>>guy who uses the machine and promotes it is called a troll. D'uh.

>If you actually did promote the Amiga instead of spending all your 
>time trolling then you wouldn't be in the pickle you find youself 
>in today.  BTW, did you happen to notice how quickly that person 
>disappeared when that fact was pointed out to him?!

You keep saying I am in a pickle today when there isn't a single
shred of proof that you have any affect on me at all with all
your outrageous tactics. Now you are admitting to driving people
off from an Amiga group, that's sick, can you hear yourself?

>>> > Two things, one, why not private e-mail?
 
>>> I've already explained that to you.  Please pay attention.
 
>> Yes, you were trolling.

>Nice dodge, but no.  Go back read it again.  Then when still can't 
>understand simple English, have somebody explain it to you.  When 
>that too fails, have somebody slap you silly (shouldn't take too 
>long).

What should I read again, the post where you reversed yourself
or the post where you started with your pathetic excuses about
not trolling by writing that stuff to a public newsgroup where
you had already stated your position and went on a jihad against
Steve because he entertained another side of the issue?

>>>Don't give up your day job, TrollBoy!  Unlike you and Steve, most
>>>people here say what they mean and mean what they say.  I have no
>>>reason to believe that Sam was lying when he said that Amithlon
>>>wasn't available.  The most obvious and logical conclusion is
>>>that he was simply uninformed of the facts.  I informed him.  But
>>>that most obvious and simple conclusion doesn't suit your
>>>nefarious agenda very well, does it TerryTroll?

>>Why didn't you sell him your copy which won't run on your non
>>AMD system.

>See?  I told you you don't understand "ethics"!

Well?

>(Oh, and BTW, you should refresh your knowledge of Amithlon before 
>you make too many more silly comments - Amithlon would run fine on my 
>system if I were to install the existing upgrades)

Heh, and when did that occur? You are reversed. Let me puncture
one of your other little balloons: 

--------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: YATT again, another troll thread
Date:2002-07-02 19:04:17 PST

> Why aren't you running Amithlon?

I am waiting for Amithlon 2. i understand the current version
does not support my Dell (besides, buying Amithlon 1 would not
send any revenue to the author).

--------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re:Amiga classic:the fat lady has sung...
Date:2003-08-31 00:32:57 PST

> > or that he even purchased Amithlon.
> 
>I hereby "make out" that I did purchase Amithlon.  However, 
>although I was unaware of it at the time and I purchased 
>Amithlon in good faith, the sale happened a matter of hours 
>after Meyer issued the cease and desist notice. So I have 
>never considered my copy to be  legal and I have never used 
>it (that would be an ETHICAL decision on  my part, Terry 
>- you wouldn't understand).

--------------------------------------------------------------

Key dates: 

March 8th, 2002 - Licence cancelled
March 9th, 2002 - Amiga Inc. attacks
March 9th, 2002 - Bernd opts out
March 15th, 2002 - H&P's Monster System
April 3rd, 2002 - Quo vadis, Amithlon
June 23rd, 2002 - Cross Licencing of Amithlon 2.0
June 29th, 2002 - Spanner in the works
July 2nd, 2002 - Waiting for Amithlon 2.0
December 1st, 2002 - All development ceased.

>>> > Aside from that, you posted a direct reversal of your opinion

>>> Bullshit!  Pure TerryTroll fabrication at its stinkiest.  You
>>> would be ashamed of yourself if you had any self-respect!
 
>> Look in the mirror, the issues you have are with yourself.

>YOU, TerryTroll, are the one I have issues with as it is YOU who is 
>spewing bullshit about me.  Please explain your agenda for spreading 
>lies about me.

You keep making me ask questions, when I receive your responses
more questions arise from the spew you post.

>>> You are exceptionally good at parroting other people's words
>>> without the slightest little bit of comprehension of what they
>>> were trying to say.  It is plainly obvious that you have no
>>> concept whatsoever of the meaning of the word "ethical"!!!

>> Caught you.

>Laughing at you?  Yes, you did!  I should be ashamed at myself for 
>laughing at someone as pathetic as you but I just can't help myself.

A matter of hours, heh heh. Who'd you buy it from? Amiga Inc?
Yukk yukk, time to cut and paste and when you do it gets its own
thread so we can explore the ethics of someone like you being
unable to explain their story in a convincing manner.

>>> >      Antonyms:
>>> >       corrupt, dishonest, dishonorable, immoral, unethical,
>>> >       unrighteous

>>> Now *those* words you are intimately familiar with - TerryTroll's
>>> mantra.
 
>> Okay chicken little.

>Confession #4:  Terry admits that "corrupt, dishonest, dishonorable, 
>immoral, unethical, unrighteous" is his mantra.

Look in the mirror, then calmly read your speech about how you
bought Amithlon 2 and not 1 which wouldn't work on your Dell...
Want to expand your story? Fill in a few details, the lists make
absolutely fascinating reading but I went with the web stuff
first.

>>> >> So much for your neutrality, huh, TrollBoy?

>>> [yet more of TerryTroll's parroted smokescreen snipped]
 
>>> No answer, huh, TerryTroll?
 
>> You snipped it.

>No, I snipped your smokescreen.  Please answer the question.

Did I say I was neutral? I don't think so, I said I was for free
speech and that I wanted more of the documentation of the
contracts and agreements made before I could begin to judge.

>>> >> You seem content to change your tune whenever it suits you
>>> >> agenda.  So which one are you then, TerryTroll, the "fool" or
>>> >> the "zealot"?

>>> > Seems that you hit most of that in your rants.
 
>>> "Fool" it is then.
 
>> See, put up or shut up.

>Que???  Your brain appears to be on the wrong page again.  Put *what* 
>up?

That's your modus operandi. You prove it time and again.

>>> That is not a position, TrollBoy, that is a NON-position.  And,
>>> just for the record, I originally challenged you for your opinion
>>> on whether Steve's bullshit on the matter was good or bad for the
>>> Amiga community.  I don't suppose you'll ever stop dodging that
>>> challenge, will you?
 
>> And if you could actually read for understanding you'd see what I
>> said. If Steve is guilty of something you are equally as guilty
>> for repressing free speech, allowing all sides to be examined and
>> trolling in CSAA.

>Yup, another classic dodge from TerryTroll!  Terry, is Steve's 
>position on Amithlon:

>  a)  Good for the Amiga community, or
>  b)  Bad for the Amiga community?

I think it is a totally relative concept. Amiga Inc.'s actions
right out the door of shouldering QNX aside was pretty good
for the community wasn't it? Who wrote 3.5? How was all this
paid for? Hyperion is making a major effort. What about the
Pegasos and MorphOS? Where's the Amiga community in all of this?

Are you speaking for some part of it or only yourself?

Just because you have issues with Steve don't be trying to use that
as leverage with me. Amithlon remains on sale. And contrary to your
statements it seems to be "supported" as new drivers are available.

There seems to be a lot more Amithlon "owners" and "users" out 
there than are represented by the number of posters in this group.

Bernd himself said Amithlon appeared to be generating a lot of
downloads. Which half of the Amiga community are you in? Backing
an emulator developer, going to the next generation or jumping
camps to something like the Pegasos?

>>> Your bullshit sticks to you, TrollBoy.
 
>> I didn't get on my high horse and rant all over the place.

>Oh?  What, prey tell, are you doing right now then???

Pray? Another little Freudian slip?

>>>>> Aside from your master/mentor and yourself, name one person
>>>>> who deserves being spewed upon.  [Consider that to be a
>>>>> challenge. You may, therefore, run away from it.]

>>> > Mr. Anonymous.

>>>I said ASIDE from Steve and yourself.  Give up?

>> That would be a popular notion that remains unproven, so
>> we know that you would never knowingly slander, libel or defame
>> anyone:

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Gary places irrefutable proof of his charge - here.
>
> Mr. Anonymous matches your M.O. and mantra perfectly. His victim 
> list is exactly the same as yours. You remain one of the very few 
> people who has never been his victim. That's proof enough for me.
>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------

Wow, you are so good at this stuff, I bet the RCMP use you to
track the old virus writers and figure out online frauds.

>>> Please, TerryTroll, show a  little respect for the users of this
>>> newsgroup by not posting them.

>> Imagine my reply.

>I imagine your standard "Fuck all Amigans who will not bow down to 
>worship me" would fit quite nicely.

Wow, did I ever leave myself open to a little projection on your
part. You seem to need help. 

>>> (Then again, if you had any respect for the users of c.s.a.a you
>>> would not be polluting it with all your infantile adhominem
>>> attacks, would you!)
 
>> Show us proof of your Amiga use, purchase of Amithlon and
>> how you pierced Mr. Anonymous's veil and we'll see who
>> is polluting CSAA.

>Another not-so-clever dodge from TerryTroll, master of not-so-clever 
>dodges!

Imagine, isn't that how this whole thing started? Sure it is, Gary 
goes bananas over being asked for proof of his current Amiga use 
which he turns into, variously, personal martyrdom, an insult to
his person and an assault on his wide and varied Amiga experience.

Talk about a not-so-clever-mastery-of-dodges. 


Terry
-- 
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tpalfrey (1197)
9/2/2003 3:28:26 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in message news:<l0.T0.CR2II1U5eLddcTe.NR@zool.com>...
> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
> >And if you had followed your own advice you would not now be in 
> >this  mess you've made for yourself.
> 
> Ooops, now I am to believe I am in a mess when your very public 
> record is available for recall?

Given Mr. Meyer's recent comments on the matter, it would seem your
only hope to save a little face would be to make a public apology to
the patrons of c.s.a.a for the lies and off-topic bullshit you have
inflicted upon them.

--
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
9/2/2003 5:38:32 PM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in message news:<l0.T0.CR2II1U5eLddcTe.NR@zool.com>...
> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
> >For the dimwits in the crowd (that would be you, Terry), TrollBoy 
> >has earned my retribution due in large part to the numerous 
> >outrageous lies he spews about me.  For example, the statement 
> >above where TrollBoy says that I am "a wanker who has never put 
> >up but tells everyone to shut up" is an outrageous and rather 
> >obvious lie.  For this and TerryTroll's numerous other slimy 
> >indiscretions, he has earned himself every single bit of abuse 
> >that has been thrust his way by myself and the many, many others 
> >he has shit upon over the years.
> 
> Seems a little bit like meglomania setting in. RETRIBUTION!!!
> 
> Admitting to abuse without prompting is so demeaning.

Get yourself a dictionary, TrollBoy, and look up the word
'retribution'.  Take special note of the part that says "something
justly deserved".

> >If you actually did promote the Amiga instead of spending all your 
> >time trolling then you wouldn't be in the pickle you find youself 
> >in today.  BTW, did you happen to notice how quickly that person 
> >disappeared when that fact was pointed out to him?!
> 
> You keep saying I am in a pickle today when there isn't a single
> shred of proof that you have any affect on me at all with all
> your outrageous tactics.

Ah, so in your opinion, pointing out your moral and ethical flaws is
an "outrageous tactic", is it?  I guess it was hoping for too much to
think you could possibly understand anything having to do with the
concept of right vs wrong!

> >>Why didn't you sell him your copy which won't run on your non
> >>AMD system.
>  
> >See?  I told you you don't understand "ethics"!
> 
> Well?

See what I mean!

> >(Oh, and BTW, you should refresh your knowledge of Amithlon before 
> >you make too many more silly comments - Amithlon would run fine on my 
> >system if I were to install the existing upgrades)
> 
> Heh, and when did that occur? You are reversed. Let me puncture
> one of your other little balloons: 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: Re: YATT again, another troll thread
> Date:2002-07-02 19:04:17 PST
> 
> > Why aren't you running Amithlon?
> 
> I am waiting for Amithlon 2. i understand the current version
> does not support my Dell

Ancient history.  Things change.

> (besides, buying Amithlon 1 would not
> send any revenue to the author).

Sadly, some things do *not* change  :(

> >YOU, TerryTroll, are the one I have issues with as it is YOU who is 
> >spewing bullshit about me.  Please explain your agenda for spreading 
> >lies about me.
> 
> You keep making me ask questions, when I receive your responses
> more questions arise from the spew you post.

That's it???  THAT is your explanation for why you spread lies about
me???  Because I "make you ask questions"???  Goodness only knows what
sort of abuse you'd heap upon me if I ever made you *answer* one!

> A matter of hours, heh heh.

That's what I said, yes.

> Who'd you buy it from? Amiga Inc?

AFAIK Amiga Inc. do not sell Amithlon and never did.  No, I bought it
from Software Hut.  Why do you ask?  Of what relevance is that to this
discussion?

> >Confession #4:  Terry admits that "corrupt, dishonest, dishonorable, 
> >immoral, unethical, unrighteous" is his mantra.
> 
> Look in the mirror, then calmly read your speech about how you
> bought Amithlon 2 and not 1 which wouldn't work on your Dell...

I made no such speech.  "Amithlon 2" does not exist (you should really
try to read up on these things before you stick your foot in it),
therefore I cannot have bought it.

But what does that have to do with your confession???

> Want to expand your story?

You already know the whole story - I bought Amithlon in good faith, I
got screwed by H&P, I refused to use a product that H&P have no rights
to sell.  What more do you need to know?

> Did I say I was neutral?

Very well then, what *is* your opinion on the legality of Amithlon?

> >> See, put up or shut up.
>  
> >Que???  Your brain appears to be on the wrong page again.  Put *what* 
> >up?
> 
> That's your modus operandi. You prove it time and again.

Yes, it is my modus operandi to question what the hell you are talking
about whenever you emit one of your brain farts.  I repeat:  Put
*what* up?  WTF are you talking about??

> >Yup, another classic dodge from TerryTroll!  Terry, is Steve's 
> >position on Amithlon:
>  
> >  a)  Good for the Amiga community, or
> >  b)  Bad for the Amiga community?
> 
> I think it is a totally relative concept. Amiga Inc.'s actions
> right out the door of shouldering QNX aside was pretty good
> for the community wasn't it? Who wrote 3.5? How was all this
> paid for? Hyperion is making a major effort. What about the
> Pegasos and MorphOS? Where's the Amiga community in all of this?

Those are all totally irrelevant dodges.  Please answer the question:

Terry, is Steve's position on Amithlon:
  a)  Good for the Amiga community, or
  b)  Bad for the Amiga community?

a) or b)?

> Are you speaking for some part of it or only yourself?

Yes and yes.  I am speaking for myself and I am some small part of the
Amiga community.

> Just because you have issues with Steve don't be trying to use that
> as leverage with me.

Steve doesn't enter into this.  I am asking only for *your* opinion.

> Amithlon remains on sale.

Ah, so now (using TerryTroll logik) Terry is supporting H&P's illegal
sale of Amithlon?

> Which half of the Amiga community are you in? Backing
> an emulator developer, going to the next generation or jumping
> camps to something like the Pegasos?

My own personal opinion is that, sadly, it is way too late for any of
those options to succeed.

But we digress.  You were about to tell us your opinion on Steve's
abuse toward an Amiga developer...

> >> I didn't get on my high horse and rant all over the place.
>  
> >Oh?  What, prey tell, are you doing right now then???
> 
> Pray? Another little Freudian slip?

See what I mean!

> > Mr. Anonymous matches your M.O. and mantra perfectly. His victim 
> > list is exactly the same as yours. You remain one of the very few 
> > people who has never been his victim. That's proof enough for me.
> 
> Wow, you are so good at this stuff, I bet the RCMP use you to
> track the old virus writers and figure out online frauds.

Confession #5:  Terry does not deny that he is Mr. Anonymous Flamer.

> Wow, did I ever leave myself open.

Yes, that's what happens when you endeavour to spread FUD, bullshit,
and lies.  For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. 
All of your abuse gets thrown right back in your face.  Cause and
effect.  If ever you grow up, you may come to understand this.  (I'm
not holding my breath)

--
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
9/2/2003 7:06:31 PM
AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com (SG) wrote in
news:34577b4f.0309011624.600d4b2c@posting.google.com: 
> "Bj�rnar Bols�y" <bbolsoy@hotmail.nospam> wrote in message
> news:<Xns93E9D14AB3D85bbolsoy@212.83.64.229>... 
>> "Brian E. Doe" <bdoe.spamsucks@nozirev.net> wrote in

>> >> these guys are producing a magazine running amithlon on a
>> >> pc.They categorically state thate imagefx runs faster under
>> >> amithlon on a pc than on a cs-ppc a3000..what part of that
>> >> dont you understand. 
>> > 
>> > Oh, but you see, Steve has a MAGIC Amiga, that is always one
>> > million times faster and more responsive than any other
>> > computer in existence, no matter what!  By a factor of 50!
>> 
>>  Steve is not entirely out too lunch, you know. :) Today I
>>  visited a customer with a couple of pretty ordinary
>>  Celeron 2Ghz boxes and XP Home. If I didn't know better
>>  I'd suspect them to be p100s running NT on 32MB of ram, 
>>  because they were painfully slow to react sometimes.
> 
> Will an NT box even run with 32MB?  

 Sure, 16 even, I think.
 
> Even if it would, it
> wouldn't, really, at least not using the original-1000-defined
> notion of "running" (instant response at all times). 

 "A1000-defined" was also the 10 seconds it took 
 to launch a small exe from some floppy.

> Problem
> is, adding RAM is only a Windows fix on slimmest of margins.  XP
> needs a total redesign before it will be competitive with a
> modern OS that was designed from the ground up for a RAM rich
> system, like AOS.

 What use is lots of ram when one can't even watch a basic 
 DVD on your system, almost 7 years after Windows did. :^)

 

 Regards...
 
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bbolsoy (27)
9/2/2003 9:52:24 PM
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:21:14 +0800, "MrJumbles" ranted and raved about
<1062402792.931776@grimiore.conceptual.net.au> in :

> oh i see,he has a kangaroo loose in the top paddock,one snagger short of a
> barbie ;)

Something like that, yes.  =:)
-- 
Brian     Team *AMIGA*        NewsCoaster v1.57
Member "I Am Amiga" Fan Club
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9/2/2003 10:35:46 PM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
news:L1.G1.DR2uGHm5eLduv4c.NR@zool.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>>Get yourself a dictionary, TrollBoy, and look up the word
>>'retribution'.  Take special note of the part that says "something
>>justly deserved".
> 
> It also encompasses "judgement". You admit to simply abusing me
> and yet I think you would be hard pressed to point out exactly
> what I said and did to offend you other than asking for proof of
> your claims.

You are joking, right??  How about (just for starters) your latest infantile ad 
hominem attack upon me based solely on your fabrication lies regarding my support 
for Amithlon?  You would be hard pressed to find anybody who would not agree that 
you "justly deserve" to be publicly castrated for that sleazy behavior (I'm 
letting you off easy with only a public flogging and humiliation).

> You appear to have a problem with certain issues. They are not
> my issues nor my problem.

You are a confessed troll.  Exactly whose issue is that if not yours??  Grow up 
and face the consequences of your actions for once.

>>Yes, that's what happens when you endeavour to spread FUD,
>>bullshit, and lies.  For every action, there is an equal and
>>opposite reaction. All of your abuse gets thrown right back in
>>your face.  Cause and effect.  If ever you grow up, you may come
>>to understand this.  (I'm not holding my breath)
> 
> I guess you can prove this because you wouldn't make a libelous
> and slanderous charge like this in a public forum using your
> real name.

Yes, of course I can.  You see, TrollBoy, unlike you, I have scruples.  Unlike 
you, I mean what I say and say what I mean.  Unlike you, I am honest.  Unlike you, 
I am not scum of the earth.

> If you can't, merely raising the spectre condemns you
> to troll hell.

Please do tell us what it's like there...

> Prove it or lose it. Simple request.

That's not hard to do.  I made the following straight-forward, factual, 
informative, on-topic statement:

"That's not entirely accurate.  Amithlon is no longer being *developed*, but H&P 
will happily sell it to you (even though their legal right to do so has been 
contested by Amiga Inc)."

In response to which you invented and vomitted forth the following lies, bullshit, 
and FUD about me:

"betrayal of loyalty to someone you trumpeted as an example of what the Amiga 
community needs more of",

"no longer support Bernd in his struggle with H&P over his IP contribution to the 
Amiga community",

"abandoning your former ethical stance in public",

"abandon your support for Bernd and your moral outrage about H&P's actions",

"how do you explain your very public reversal on H&P",

"you used Bernd Meyer's plight to bolster your unsupportable
position of being an Amiga advocate and now you stab him
in the back by recommending that someone buy Amithlon from
H&P",

"now you have to exploit the schism in the Amiga community in public",

"You were the one who got on your soapbox and now it looks
like you have become a turncoat",

"Beeton Troll was trolling CSAA by advising someone that 
he could do something that the Beeton Troll had stood on soapbox and 
decried long and hard as being totally illegal and immoral",

"you abandoned your position that the sale of Amithlon was illegal",

"you let down Bernd Meyer who you had previously held up as a wronged party in 
this 'dispute'",

"you stood on your high horse declaring that there was only *one* interpretation 
of the Amithlon/H&P ugliness and now you've posted watered down pulchritude",

"Gary chose to reverse his moral stand about the illegality of any such sales in 
this group where he ranted long and hard about Steve's 'othere side' views",

"You are a wanker who has never put up but tells everyone to shut up",

"you posted a direct reversal of your opinion",

"the post where you reversed yourself or the post where you started with your 
pathetic excuses about not trolling by writing that stuff to a public newsgroup 
where you had already stated your position and went on a jihad against Steve 
because he entertained another side of the issue",

"You are the one using the outlandish lies, garbage hyperbole and just about any 
trick at all",

"Gary Beeton started trolling in CSAA again".

[As if there was ever any question that TerryTroll is a sleazy scumbag who loves 
to spread FUD, bullshit, and lies.  He is and everybody know it!]


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gbeeton (1728)
9/3/2003 6:02:56 AM
"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
news:vlbkg7jk0lkfd0@corp.supernews.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
> message news:Xns93EB7F62DE0gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
> 
>> Yes, of course I can.  You see, TrollBoy, unlike you, I have
>> scruples. 
> Unlike
>> you, I mean what I say and say what I mean.  Unlike you, I am
>> honest. 
> Unlike you,
>> I am not scum of the earth.

Once again I see you are unable to deny the truth about yourself.

> Except when you snip the real subject of that passage:

What part of: "Mr. Anonymous matches your M.O. and mantra perfectly. 
His victim list is exactly the same as yours. You remain one of the 
very few people who has never been his victim. That's proof enough 
for me" did you not understand?  As for undeniable proof, your 
inability to deny the charge pretty much says it all.

Oh, and BTW, the real subject relates to you spreading FUD, bullshit, 
and lies, remember?  As you can see below, it is THAT charge that you 
asked me to prove:

---------------------------------
>>Yes, that's what happens when you endeavour to spread FUD,
>>bullshit, and lies.  For every action, there is an equal and
>>opposite reaction. All of your abuse gets thrown right back in
>>your face.  Cause and effect.  If ever you grow up, you may come
>>to understand this.  (I'm not holding my breath)
> 
> I guess you can prove this because you wouldn't make a libelous
> and slanderous charge like this in a public forum using your
> real name. If you can't, merely raising the spectre condemns you
> to troll hell.
> 
> Prove it or lose it. Simple request.
----------------------------------

I proved it, you dodged the issue by snipping the proof and changing 
the subject.  Typical Palfrey weaselry!

>> That's not hard to do.  I made the following straight-forward,
>> factual, informative, on-topic statement:
> 
> <snip of Gary's completely different topic quotes>

What's the matter, TrollBoy?  Are so embarrassed by your own lies 
that you had to snip them?  And where is that public apology you owe 
the group?

>> [As if there was ever any question that TerryTroll is a sleazy
>> scumbag who 
> loves
>> to spread FUD, bullshit, and lies.  He is and everybody know it!]

Yet another non-denial followed quickly by a complete change of 
subject...

> Actually Gary I was wondering why you snipped the Amithlon
> datelines, need time to think about it?

Mr. Meyer beat me to the punch by pointing out that you have no clue 
what you're talking about.

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gbeeton (1728)
9/3/2003 2:53:14 PM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in message 
>news:<l0.T0.CR2II1U5eLddcTe.NR@zool.com>...

>>>>Why didn't you sell him your copy which won't run 
>>>>on your non AMD system.

>>>See?  I told you you don't understand "ethics"!
 
>>Well?

>See what I mean!

Gary's Ethically Shelved Copy of Amithlon <GESCA>

Nope. I'm still stuck on you buying Amithlon from Software Hut,
or more properly H&P because they distribute it, despite your
sophistry about that, when you don't have a machine to run it
on.

>>>(Oh, and BTW, you should refresh your knowledge of Amithlon 
>>>before you make too many more silly comments - Amithlon 
>>>would run fine on my system if I were to install the 
>>>existing upgrades)

Bernd Meyer didn't mention an upgrade to allow Amithlon
to run on a pentium based system. Your Dell is a pentium
based system is it not? Or did you buy an AMD machine
spec'd for Amithlon?

>>Heh, and when did that occur? You are reversed. Let me puncture
>>one of your other little balloons: 

>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>Subject: Re: YATT again, another troll thread
>>Date:2002-07-02 19:04:17 PST

>>> Why aren't you running Amithlon?

>>I am waiting for Amithlon 2. i understand the current version
>>does not support my Dell

>Ancient history.  Things change.

Hmm, how would that be?

>> (besides, buying Amithlon 1 would not
>> send any revenue to the author).

> Sadly, some things do *not* change  :(

Uhm, you did though, buy it.

>> A matter of hours, heh heh.

>That's what I said, yes.

Gee, exactly when did you buy it?

>> Who'd you buy it from? Amiga Inc?

>AFAIK Amiga Inc. do not sell Amithlon and never did.  
>No, I bought it from Software Hut.  Why do you ask?  
>Of what relevance is that to this discussion?

I'm stuck on the several hours deal

>> Look in the mirror, then calmly read your speech about how you
>> bought Amithlon 2 and not 1 which wouldn't work on your Dell...
>
>I made no such speech.  "Amithlon 2" does not exist (you should really
>try to read up on these things before you stick your foot in it),
>therefore I cannot have bought it.

Hmmm, I believe it exists and was about to be released when
certain niggling legal matters kiboshed it. Feel free to correct
me if I am wrong in the details.

But back to the part about you buying Amithlon when you said you
had a pentium based Dell machine. Why did you buy it if it
wouldn't work on your machine?

>> Want to expand your story?

>You already know the whole story - I bought Amithlon in 
>good faith, I got screwed by H&P, I refused to use a 
>product that H&P have no rights to sell.  What more do 
>you need to know?

Date of purchase. That's all.

>> Did I say I was neutral?

>Very well then, what *is* your opinion on the legality of Amithlon?

It doesn't really matter to me as I use a hardware Amiga. One of
the authors has publicly stated that he has withdrawn his
association with it. But he remains unable to release Amithlon 2
and has junked the entire project. It seems to me that there are
portions of the story that haven't been released.

>>>Yup, another classic dodge from TerryTroll!  Terry, is Steve's 
>>>position on Amithlon:
  
>>>  a)  Good for the Amiga community, or
>>>  b)  Bad for the Amiga community?

>> I think it is a totally relative concept. Amiga Inc.'s actions
>> right out the door of shouldering QNX aside was pretty good
>> for the community wasn't it? Who wrote 3.5? How was all this
>> paid for? Hyperion is making a major effort. What about the
>> Pegasos and MorphOS? Where's the Amiga community in all of this?

>Those are all totally irrelevant dodges.  Please answer the question:

Those are part of the landscape. You act all high and mighty
about the Amiga community but calmly ignore some of the most
important issues that are ongoing in favour of your jihad on
Steve.

>> Are you speaking for some part of it or only yourself?

>Yes and yes.  I am speaking for myself and I am some small part of the
>Amiga community.

Okay.

>> Just because you have issues with Steve don't be trying to use that
>> as leverage with me.

>Steve doesn't enter into this.  I am asking only for *your* opinion.

What would you like me to say, you've said almost everything for
me already despite your high moral and ethical character.

>> Amithlon remains on sale.

>Ah, so now (using TerryTroll logik) Terry is supporting H&P's 
>illegal sale of Amithlon?

>> Which half of the Amiga community are you in? Backing
>> an emulator developer, going to the next generation or jumping
>> camps to something like the Pegasos?

>My own personal opinion is that, sadly, it is way too late for any of
>those options to succeed.

Okay, so what is it that you advocate again?

Terry


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tpalfrey (1197)
9/4/2003 12:02:11 AM
On 1 Sep 2003 17:24:03 -0700, AmigaFreeRadio@hotmail.com (SG) wrote:


> 
> Residency is the name of the game in the modern world (always was...
> but until recently it was hopeless for Windows to even try to fathom
> such a reality).  Any OS that doesn't keep all executable OS and
> application code 100% resident 100% of the time, will continue to
> fail, at least until hard drives are faster than RAM and without seek
> time.
> 

Well you could probably FIT all executabe OS code and application code
in you old set of 72 pin slow ram simms 100% of the time. And you're
right - it has failed.

> There is simply no way to get XP off total hard drive dependency, its
> hopelessly hooked; an incurable addict that unfortunately will have to
> be written off rather than saved.

And you run OS 3.9 from a floppy? Try removing your hard drive and then
respond to this post using your OS3.9 emergency boot disk. 
You should have kept your A1000.


-- 
Pegasos1 * 256 MB Ram * Morphos 1.4 * 60 GB HD * Catweasel MKIII *
Rockin!!!

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dslcc (23)
9/4/2003 2:25:41 AM
gbeeton@shaw.ca (Gary Beeton) wrote in message news:<4c950c59.0309020938.72b4222c@posting.google.com>...

> Given Mr. Meyer's recent comments on the matter, it would seem your
> only hope to save a little face would be to make a public apology to
> the patrons of c.s.a.a for the lies and off-topic bullshit you have
> inflicted upon them.

What's the hold-up, Terry?  You don't need to write an epic, you only
need to be sincere  ...   Oh...  Now I see the problem!

--
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
9/4/2003 3:25:58 PM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
>news:e1.N1.DR2DH3Q5eLdiz4c.NR@zool.com: 

>> "Gary Beeton" writes:
 
>>>"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in message
>>>news:<l0.T0.CR2II1U5eLddcTe.NR@zool.com>...

>>>>>>Why didn't you sell him your copy which won't run  on your
>>>>>>non AMD system.

>>>>>See?  I told you you don't understand "ethics"!
  
>>>>Well?
 
>>>See what I mean!
 
>> Nope.

>I am quite certain this will go straight over your head as it
>contains matters of  ethics, but here goes anyway:  It is illegal
>to sell contraband goods.

Ahh, I guess it would be unethical to point to the retailer of said
contraband goods as well eh?

>> I'm still stuck on you buying Amithlon from Software Hut, or
>> more properly H&P because they distribute it,

>Indirectly, true.

>> despite your sophistry about that,

>Sophistry???  What sophistry would that be?

H&P - sole suppliers to the retailers such as SH.

>> when you don't have a machine to run it on.

>But I do.  [Warning: matters of ethics follow - viewer discretion
>is advised]  At  the time I bought it, Amithlon did not run on my
>system, but I knew that updates  were forthcoming to correct that.
>And what better way to encourage the developer  than to buy his
>product?!  Little did I know at the time that H&P were weaseling
>the developer and Amiga Inc out of their fair shares.

Uhm, okay, if I had a date that you purchased on it would be ever
so much clearer to me.

>What is it exactly that you don't understand?  Or are you just
>bottom-feeding  again?

It's like this, some guy named Sam posted a lament about the
availability of Amithlon in tones that sounded to me like he knew
of the situation, as does most of Amigadom, and was just wallowing
a bit in the `might have been'.

Suddenly, out of the blue, Gary Beeton posts, in
comp.sys.amiga.advocacy of all places, about it still being
available from H&P despite the "dispute". Somehow I missed the
explanation of the illegality of those sales when you made your
comment to Sam whom you seem to think should be led to buying
software that he cannot use legally from a party that you have
roundly condemned as well as the only person to speak to the issue
here and shed some light on the possibilities of what was  actually
happening.

>> Bernd Meyer didn't mention an upgrade to allow Amithlon to run
>> on a pentium based system.

>There are probably a lot of things he hasn't bothered telling you.
>More likey,  there are a lot of things you simply don't want to
>hear because it spoils your  trolling fun.

Probably. But, then again, I didn't start trolling with a little
about face totally unethical post like you did.

>>>Ancient history.  Things change.

>> Hmm, how would that be?

>Time moves on.  Get with the '80s, Terry.

Whatever, the translation must run something like I don't want to
get caught up any more in my web of fictions.

>>>> (besides, buying Amithlon 1 would not send any revenue to the
>>>> author).

>>> Sadly, some things do *not* change  :(
 
>> Uhm, you did though, buy it.

>In good faith, yes.  We've been over this.  Do you have a point in
>here anywhere?

Yup, just want a date.

>>>> A matter of hours, heh heh.

>>>That's what I said, yes.
 
>> Gee, exactly when did you buy it?

>Shortly after Mr. Meyer's cease and desist statement, like I said.

Ah, so right away you went out and supported H&P over Bernd.

>> I'm stuck on the several hours deal

>Tough shit.  Get over it.

I just have this nagging feeling that I am missing something.

>>>I made no such speech.  "Amithlon 2" does not exist (you should
>>>really try to read up on these things before you stick your
>>>in it), therefore I cannot have bought it.

>> Hmmm, I believe it exists and was about to be released when
>> certain niggling legal matters kiboshed it.

>Therefore, from a consumer POV, it does not exist.

Ahh, just like recommending that Sam could pick up Amithlon from
H&P would just be a niggling ethical issue that you failed to
address in the manner you had up until that particular reversal,
which I don't believe for a moment, you were just trolling again.

>>>> Want to expand your story?

>>>You already know the whole story - I bought Amithlon in  good
>>>faith, I got screwed by H&P, I refused to use a  product that
>>>H&P have no rights to sell.  What more do  you need to know?
 
>> Date of purchase. That's all.

>You're bottom-feeding again, TerryTroll.  Go fuck yourself.

Hiding something?

>>>> Did I say I was neutral?

>>>Very well then, what *is* your opinion on the legality of
>>>Amithlon? 
 
>> It doesn't really matter to me as I use a hardware Amiga.

>No spine!

Snipped a bit didn't you?

"It doesn't really matter to me as I use a hardware Amiga. One of
the authors has publicly stated that he has withdrawn his
association with it. But he remains unable to release Amithlon 2
and has junked the entire project. It seems to me that there are
portions of the story that haven't been released."

It would be prudent for you to hold both your tongue and judgement
until the facts are in. Taking extreme positions forces the parties
away from any possibility of accomodation and possible partnering.
The usual suspect is the "money". H&P obviously feel they have a
right to something and played hardball and Amiga Inc. switched
gears, adopted Bernd and then got slammed over Amithlon 2. Makes
you wonder about all of this IP stuff, why can H&P sell and not be
stopped and  Amiga Inc. is stopped cold. A case of little guy/big
guy? Or is  there a lot more to the story. Sales of Amithlon 2
would fund  a cogent legal reply if I am not mistaken.

>>>>>Yup, another classic dodge from TerryTroll!  Terry, is Steve's
>>>>>position on Amithlon:
  
>>>>>  a)  Good for the Amiga community, or b)  Bad for the Amiga
>>>>>  community?
 
>>>> I think it is a totally relative concept. Amiga Inc.'s actions
>>>> right out the door of shouldering QNX aside was pretty good
>>>> for the community wasn't it? Who wrote 3.5? How was all this
>>>> paid for? Hyperion is making a major effort. What about the
>>>> Pegasos and MorphOS? Where's the Amiga community in all of
>>>> this?
 
>>>Those are all totally irrelevant dodges.  Please answer the
>>>question: 
 
>> Those are part of the landscape.

>Another dodge.  Just answer the question:

No, I've gone as far aas I am going, Steve's opinions represent the
side that isn't being heard here in this forum. I believe I
explained all of this to you before, about how many sides there are
to an issue and that you cannot jump one way or the  other until
all the evidence is presented and weighed by a  judge and possibly
appealed.

>Is Steve's position on Amithlon:

>  a)  Good for the Amiga community, or b)  Bad for the Amiga
>  community?

>A) or B), Terry?  Hint: There is no C)

I don't know, is Gary's position on Amithlon good for the community
or just the ravings of an ignorant troll?

>>>Steve doesn't enter into this.  I am asking only for *your*
>>>opinion. 

>> What would you like me to say

>I want your opinion.

I've given it over a dozen times and still it is not good enough
for you. I will not say what you want me to say I will only say
what I want to say and that is based on my understanding of how
these things work.

>>>> Amithlon remains on sale.

>>>Ah, so now (using TerryTroll logik) Terry is supporting H&P's
>>>illegal sale of Amithlon?

>No answer to that, Mr. Hypocrite?

I could deny the things you make up all day long and it would not
stop your libel and defamation. You are exactly what you accuse
Steve of being. You have to live with that, not me.

>>>> Which half of the Amiga community are you in? Backing an
>>>> emulator developer, going to the next generation or jumping
>>>> camps to something like the Pegasos?
 
>>>My own personal opinion is that, sadly, it is way too late for
>>>any of those options to succeed.
 
>> Okay, so what is it that you advocate again?

>I advocate that you stop trolling.

You first.

Terry

 
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tpalfrey (1197)
9/5/2003 2:25:02 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
>news:vlbkg7jk0lkfd0@corp.supernews.com: 

>> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:Xns93EB7F62DE0gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

>>> Yes, of course I can.  You see, TrollBoy, unlike you, I have
>>> scruples. Unlike you, I mean what I say and say what I mean.
>>> Unlike you, I am honest.  Unlike you, I am not scum of the
>>> earth.

So. knowing that H&P are now "illegally" selling Amithlon you tell
Sam in a publci newsgroup that he can still buy it from  them
despite a "dispute" with Amiga Inc.

>Once again I see you are unable to deny the truth about yourself.

I don't need to respond to your mealy mouthed spew. Go ahead knock
yourself out. You'll be in Mr. Anonymous's class in no time at all,
just add in a little more expletive.

>> Except when you snip the real subject of that passage:

>What part of: "Mr. Anonymous matches your M.O. and mantra
>perfectly.  His victim list is exactly the same as yours. You
>remain one of the  very few people who has never been his victim.
>That's proof enough  for me" did you not understand?  As for
>undeniable proof, your  inability to deny the charge pretty much
>says it all.

Excellent, see you in court. You make a baseless charge based on
some derivative of Vulcan TV Logic and expect to remain a credible
voice.

>Oh, and BTW, the real subject relates to you spreading FUD,
>bullshit,  and lies, remember?  As you can see below, it is THAT
>charge that you  asked me to prove:

I dunno, you make a public post and it sort of smells. I comment
and you go "kookoo" again.

>---------------------------------
>>>Yes, that's what happens when you endeavour to spread FUD,
>>>bullshit, and lies.  For every action, there is an equal and
>>>opposite reaction. All of your abuse gets thrown right back in
>>>your face.  Cause and effect.  If ever you grow up, you may
>>>to understand this.  (I'm not holding my breath)
>> 
>> I guess you can prove this because you wouldn't make a libelous
>> and slanderous charge like this in a public forum using your
>> real name. If you can't, merely raising the spectre condemns you
>> to troll hell.
>> 
>> Prove it or lose it. Simple request.
>----------------------------------

>I proved it, you dodged the issue by snipping the proof and
>changing  the subject.  Typical Palfrey weaselry!

You actually proved squat but being a troll you cannot reach that
end of the stick.

>>> That's not hard to do.  I made the following straight-forward,
>>> factual, informative, on-topic statement:

>> <snip of Gary's completely different topic quotes>

>What's the matter, TrollBoy?  Are so embarrassed by your own lies
>that you had to snip them?  And where is that public apology you
>owe  the group?

You were trolling or else you were being unethical, which was it?

>>> [As if there was ever any question that TerryTroll is a sleazy
>>> scumbag who loves to spread FUD, bullshit, and lies.  He is and
>>> everybody know it!]

>Yet another non-denial followed quickly by a complete change of
>subject...

If you stuck to the facts you'd be lost.

>> Actually Gary I was wondering why you snipped the Amithlon
>> datelines, need time to think about it?

>Mr. Meyer beat me to the punch by pointing out that you  have no
>clue what you're talking about.

Oh right, haha, he posts a note about some drivers and the fact
that there is no Amithlon support out there and that has a lot  to
do with my question about the exact date you purchased  Amithlon
from H&P via Software Hut.

It ranks right up there with you knowing of impending updates that
supported your Dell but not knowing anything about the "problem"
that Bernd found himself facing, Amiga Inc going after him and H&P
washing their hands of him.

Terry


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tpalfrey (1197)
9/5/2003 2:45:22 AM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

> gbeeton@shaw.ca (Gary Beeton) wrote in message
> news:<4c950c59.0309020938.72b4222c@posting.google.com>...
 
>> Given Mr. Meyer's recent comments on the matter, it would seem
>> your only hope to save a little face would be to make a public
>> apology to the patrons of c.s.a.a for the lies and off-topic
>> bullshit you have inflicted upon them.

>What's the hold-up, Terry?  You don't need to write an epic, you
>only need to be sincere  ...   Oh...  Now I see the problem!

I see you are posting from your "Amiga" again, lol!

Terry

 
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tpalfrey (1197)
9/5/2003 2:46:38 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in 
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> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>> gbeeton@shaw.ca (Gary Beeton) wrote in message
>> news:<4c950c59.0309020938.72b4222c@posting.google.com>...
>  
>>> Given Mr. Meyer's recent comments on the matter, it would seem
>>> your only hope to save a little face would be to make a public
>>> apology to the patrons of c.s.a.a for the lies and off-topic
>>> bullshit you have inflicted upon them.
> 
>>What's the hold-up, Terry?  You don't need to write an epic, you
>>only need to be sincere  ...   Oh...  Now I see the problem!
> 
> I see you are posting from your "Amiga" again, lol!

Nice dodge, TerryTroll.  Where is that apology you owe us?


-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
9/5/2003 4:20:15 AM
"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
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> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:Xns93ECE432CC402gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

>> You'll feel much better after you post that apology to the
>> participants of c.s.a.a.
> 
> You seem to have missed the rest of the post Gary:

You really hate it when I cut out all your diversionary bullshit and 
force you to deal with the real issue, don't you, TerryTroll?

Speaking of which:  When are we going to see that apology you owe us?

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
9/5/2003 2:32:05 PM
Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 222 341005 <Xns93ED56D0FDF22gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159> 

> "T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
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> > "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:Xns93ECE432CC402gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
 
> >> You'll feel much better after you post that apology to the
> >> participants of c.s.a.a.
 
> > You seem to have missed the rest of the post Gary:
 
> You really hate it when I cut out all your diversionary bullshit and 
> force you to deal with the real issue, don't you, TerryTroll?

I guess that's what you have to do when you get caught Gary.
 
> Speaking of which:  When are we going to see that apology you owe us?

You can apologise for your trolling all by yourself.

Terry




 

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tpalfrey (1197)
9/5/2003 11:08:35 PM
tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote in
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> Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Speaking of which:  When are we going to see that apology you owe
>> us? 
> 
> You can apologise for your trolling all by yourself.

Now, now, little boy.  Let's have none of your childish little 
tantrums.  The person that you claimed I had betrayed spoke up and said 
that he didn't interpret my words to be a betrayal.  It's time for you 
to grow up and admit that you were wrong.  That would be the grown-up 
thing to do.

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
9/6/2003 6:26:42 AM
"Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
message news:Xns93EE4862A00Agbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

> tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote in
> news:93789681752@a1a65803.sympatico.bconnected.net:

> > Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote:

> >> Speaking of which:  When are we going to see that
> >> apology you owe us?

> > You can apologise for your trolling all by yourself.

> Now, now, little boy.

More patronizing twaddle, of course it only works if
someone believes that you are an adult yourself.

Let's look at your initial admission:

>(Granted, reporting that Amithlon is still available for
>sale *could* be construed as supporting H&P, but I
>sincerely doubt that you would be bright enough to make that
>connection.)

Hmmm, so everything that follows after that post is either
trolling or backpeddaling.

> Let's have none of your childish little tantrums.

Talk about childish tantrums:

>I see you are back to your favourite sleazy trick of
>trying to attribute me with things I did not say,
>intend, or imply in any way.

By your own admission you realised what you had
said but didn't apologise in any way for having said it.

> The person that you claimed I had betrayed spoke up and said
> that he didn't interpret my words to be a betrayal.
:>Now you have posted publicly an extreme reversal.

:Just in case it matters to you, Terry --- *I* didn't see any such
:reversal.

That's right, Bernd with all of his problems and an ongoing
feud with Steve isn't likely to be as sensitive to your out
of character "factual posts" as I am having been the
focal point of your spew for over a year for asking for
simple proof of current Amiga use and ownership.

But he has also said:

Considering there will be no "next generation", and there will be
no "development", that would be a rather non-sensical question.
Unless, of course, you believe in a certain "Developer and Founder",
who surprisingly enough hasn't developed anything in almost 2 years....

So, in light of your public declarations, your admission above stands
as a reversal in my eyes, a glaring and blatant reversal even though
Bernd doesn't see it that way.

Bernd is on about you, I am on about your previous high and
mighty moral stance.

Ah, so what about my question:

>You were trolling in a public newsgroup and you did not use the
>word illegal at all, which is either an admission that your
>stance was overboard or that you lack ethics, which is it?

>It's time for you  to grow up and admit that you were wrong.
>That would be the grown-up thing to do.

Time to take your own advice?

Terry



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tpalfrey1 (19)
9/6/2003 3:22:18 PM
"Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
message news:Xns93ECF10A66326gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...

> "tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in
> news:V1.R1.FR2QIaIPVEen4Qf.NR@zool.com:

> > "Gary Beeton" writes:

> >>I am quite certain this will go straight over your head as it
> >>contains matters of  ethics, but here goes anyway:  It is illegal
> >>to sell contraband goods.

> > Ahh, I guess it would be unethical to point to the retailer of said
> > contraband goods as well eh?

> "Pointing to them", no.  Recommending them, yes.  It seems you can't
> tell the difference.

On Amithlon 2 you were very clear:

> Hmmm, I believe it exists and was about to be released when
> certain niggling legal matters kiboshed it.

Therefore, from a consumer POV, it does not exist.

Let's look at "pointing to" and "recommending":

To bring (something) to notice, To direct or aim, To turn the mind
or thought in a particular direction or to a particular conclusion,
To direct the attention or notice of,

As in H&P will sell it to you....

VS

To give advice or counsel,

Synonyms:

displaying, highlighting, pointing out, presenting, promoting,
pushing, recommending, showing,

> >>> I'm still stuck on you buying Amithlon from Software Hut, or
> >>> more properly H&P because they distribute it,
> >>> despite your sophistry about that,

> >>Sophistry???  What sophistry would that be?

> > H&P - sole suppliers to the retailers such as SH.

> And where does your "sophistry" fit into this picture?

"I just pointed out that it was available despite the fact that
I have spoken against them as unprincipled and unethical
but I did not recommend them to someone who was looking
to buy Amithlon I just pointed out that it was available
without giving any opinion beyond mentioning a dispute."

Ouch.

> >>But I do.  [Warning: matters of ethics follow - viewer discretion
> >>is advised]  At  the time I bought it, Amithlon did not run on my
> >>system, but I knew that updates  were forthcoming to correct that.
> >>And what better way to encourage the developer  than to buy his
> >>product?!  Little did I know at the time that H&P were weaseling
> >>the developer and Amiga Inc out of their fair shares.

> > Uhm, okay, if I had a date that you purchased on it would be ever
> > so much clearer to me.

> Shortly after Bernie's cease and desist statement.  Is your short-
> term memory going on you?

Must be, that's why I included a timeline that could be used
to check back against.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: YATT again, another troll thread
Date:2002-07-02 19:04:17 PST

> Why aren't you running Amithlon?

I am waiting for Amithlon 2. i understand the current version
does not support my Dell (besides, buying Amithlon 1 would not
send any revenue to the author).

--------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re:Amiga classic:the fat lady has sung...
Date:2003-08-31 00:32:57 PST

> > or that he even purchased Amithlon.
>
>I hereby "make out" that I did purchase Amithlon.  However,
>although I was unaware of it at the time and I purchased
>Amithlon in good faith, the sale happened a matter of hours
>after Meyer issued the cease and desist notice. So I have
>never considered my copy to be  legal and I have never used
>it (that would be an ETHICAL decision on  my part, Terry
>- you wouldn't understand).

--------------------------------------------------------------

Key dates:

March 8th, 2002 - Licence cancelled
March 9th, 2002 - Amiga Inc. attacks
March 9th, 2002 - Bernd opts out
March 15th, 2002 - H&P's Monster System
April 3rd, 2002 - Quo vadis, Amithlon
June 23rd, 2002 - Cross Licencing of Amithlon 2.0
June 29th, 2002 - Spanner in the works
July 2nd, 2002 - Waiting for Amithlon 2.0
December 1st, 2002 - All development ceased.

> >>What is it exactly that you don't understand?  Or are you just
> >>bottom-feeding  again?

> > It's like this, some guy named Sam posted a lament about the
> > availability of Amithlon in tones that sounded to me like he knew
> > of the situation, as does most of Amigadom, and was just wallowing
> > a bit in the `might have been'.

> Bottom-feeding!  You are reading far more into Sam's simple statement
> than he actually said.  What is your agenda in doing so, TrollBoy?

I guess it is time to go back to the beginning and run through
it all again. Remember, you were offended when asked to pony up
your "current" Amiganess with a little proof. Others did, you
went on a rampage about your self esteem being trampled on
because I wouldn't take your word that you still had and used an
Amiga. No one ever said that you didn't use one for a long time
or that you had accomplished many things with it or that you had
been involved in the newsgroups for years. That was all in your
head and it got so bloody loud in there it came out in all sorts
of rants about fascism and dictatorship in CSAA.

> > Suddenly, out of the blue,

> IOW, in response to Sam's false statement...

Now Sam's a liar? I read it as a lament, ie. he
fully understood the condition of Amithlon because
he said it was "no longer available".

> > Gary Beeton posts, in
> > comp.sys.amiga.advocacy of all places,

> Imagine, following-up to the same newsgroup that the post was sent
> to.  What is the world coming to!

Where Gary Beeton has staked out the high moral ground
where his belief is based on a system of proofs that couldn't
and wouldn't make it into a courtroom.

> > about it still being
> > available from H&P despite the "dispute".

> And you have a problem with facts being posted to c.s.a.a, do you?

No probelm with facts, the problem exists with a certain troll
and his actions, that troll being you.

> > Somehow I missed the
> > explanation of the illegality of those sales when you made your
> > comment to Sam

> That does not surprise me in the least, considering how poor your
> reading skills are.

Heh, better than your writing skills and memory it seems.

> > whom you seem to think should be led to buying
> > software that he cannot use legally

> Pure PalfreyWeasel invention.  I ask again:  What is your
> agenda in doing so?

De-trolling CSAA.

> > I didn't start trolling with a little
> > about face totally unethical post like you did.

> Again:  What is your agenda in spewing these lies about me?

Lies? Gee Gary, that's rather strong, I saw a reversal of your
high and mighty ethical stance based on your sense of morality
that motivated you to forget things like the rule of law, free
speech and your ability to see more than one side of things
and I called you on it. You admitted that my take was a
possible interpretation is I had any brains.

> >>We've been over this.  Do you have a point in
> >>here anywhere?

> > Yup,

> Well?  What is it??

Yup, reread and replace in context.

> > just want a date.

> You have it.

Nope, I've got a description of the date, for the record
will you state the date and time.

> > Ah, so right away you went out and supported H&P over Bernd.

> You're bottom-feeding again, TrollBoy.  And when you can't find any
> muck from the bottom of your cesspool to sling at me, you go and
> invented some lies to spew.  What a pathetic little slimeball you
> are, WeaselBoy!

Sorry, if you bought it after the Quo vadis statement that is the
only proper interpretation. Since you are not local to SH you
could also have cancelled the order.

> > I just have this nagging feeling that I am missing something.

> Ethics?  Morals?  A conscience?  A clue?  All of the above?

Yah, where did yours go?

> > Ahh, just like recommending that Sam could pick up Amithlon from
> > H&P would just be a niggling ethical issue that you failed to
> > address in the manner you had up until that particular reversal,
> > which I don't believe for a moment, you were just trolling again.

> More sliminess from the PalfreyWeasel.  Give it a rest, pinhead,
> nobody is buying this shit you're peddling.

Private e-mail if you were trying to help and public posting in a
forum where you have declared yourself long and hard if you
were trolling.

> >>You're bottom-feeding again, TerryTroll.  Go fuck yourself.

> > Hiding something?

> No, and neither are you, sleasebag.  Your lies are completely
> transparent.

Questions.

> >>>>Very well then, what *is* your opinion on the legality of
> >>>>Amithlon?

> >>> It doesn't really matter to me as I use a hardware Amiga.

> >>No spine!

> > Snipped a bit didn't you?

> Only your usual dodging attempts.  WHAT IS YOUR  O P I N I O N ?

Being an under the bridge living troll we've come to expect this
type of tactic when you are cornered.

> >>Another dodge.  Just answer the question:

> > No, I've gone as far aas I am going, Steve's opinions represent the
> > side that isn't being heard here in this forum.

> IOW, you are standing behind Steve no matter what he spews, on the
> grounds that you support "free speech".  Too bad you don't extend
> that righteous attitude to those who don't share his (or your)
> opinion.

But I do you silly troll. Get off your high horse and look!
I have said time and again that no one has provided sufficient
evidence to judge one way or the other and that Amiga Inc.
is prevented from plying Amithlon 2 while H&P still sells
Amithlon in AmigaXL. Something is not right in this picture
and no one is saying what that is.

> > is Gary's position on Amithlon good for the community
> > or just the ravings of an ignorant troll?

> If you think that my opinion is just the other end of the stick to
> Steve's opinion, then obviously you think that Steve too is an
> ignorant troll for posting his unimformed ravings on the subject.
> Right, Terry?

Gary just confessed he is an ignorant troll. The case is still out
on Steve. He however posts from an Amiga, uses an Amiga
and boosts the Amiga while you don't.

Case closed.

Terry


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tpalfrey1 (19)
9/6/2003 5:08:38 PM
"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
news:vljutadabp7le3@corp.supernews.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
> message news:Xns93EE4862A00Agbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
> 
>> tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote in
>> news:93789681752@a1a65803.sympatico.bconnected.net:
> 
>> > Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> >> Speaking of which:  When are we going to see that
>> >> apology you owe us?
> 
>> > You can apologise for your trolling all by yourself.
> 
>> Now, now, little boy.
> 
> More patronizing twaddle, of course it only works if
> someone believes that you are an adult yourself.

If you wish me to treat you with respect you must first start acting 
respectable.  [I won't be holding my breath]

> Let's look at your initial admission:
> 
>>(Granted, reporting that Amithlon is still available for
>>sale *could* be construed as supporting H&P, but I
>>sincerely doubt that you would be bright enough to make that
>>connection.)
> 
> Hmmm, so everything that follows after that post is either
> trolling or backpeddaling.

It's not my fault that you are too dim to comprehend what I was 
saying (in response to YOUR trolling, I might add).  Why is it nobody 
else had any trouble understanding it?

>>I see you are back to your favourite sleazy trick of
>>trying to attribute me with things I did not say,
>>intend, or imply in any way.
> 
> By your own admission you realised what you had
> said but didn't apologise in any way for having said it.

By my own admission, you are a sleazy prick who is back to his 
favourite sleazy trick of trying to attribute me with things I did 
not say, intend, or imply in any way.    Take your pathetic twisted 
conniving infantile claptrap above as an example.

>> The person that you claimed I had betrayed spoke up and said
>> that he didn't interpret my words to be a betrayal.
>:>Now you have posted publicly an extreme reversal.
> 
>:Just in case it matters to you, Terry --- *I* didn't see any such
>:reversal.
> 
> That's right

Yes, TerryTroll, that *IS* right.  Obviously that means that you are 
wrong.  So why don't you attempt to save a little face by apologizing 
to c.s.a.a for being such a childish little prick about it.

> So, in light of your public declarations, your admission above
> stands as a reversal in my eyes, a glaring and blatant reversal
> even though Bernd doesn't see it that way.

Why should anybody give a shit what a pathetic weaselly little troll 
like you thinks!  The "victim" doesn't feel that he's been victimized 
by me because he hasn't been.  Your toothless vendetta against me 
won't change that fact.

>>It's time for you  to grow up and admit that you were wrong.
>>That would be the grown-up thing to do.
> 
> Time to take your own advice?

TerryTroll chooses the infantile approach!

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
9/6/2003 6:01:58 PM
"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
news:vlk54lais98hc7@corp.supernews.com: 

> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in
> message news:Xns93ECF10A66326gbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
> 
>> "Pointing to them", no.  Recommending them, yes.  It seems you
>> can't tell the difference.
> 
> On Amithlon 2 you were very clear:
> 
>> Hmmm, I believe it exists and was about to be released when
>> certain niggling legal matters kiboshed it.
> 
> Therefore, from a consumer POV, it does not exist.

And?  Your point?

> Let's look at "pointing to" and "recommending":

"Pointing to" and "recommending" are two completely different things, 
no matter what you'd like them to mean.

>> And where does your "sophistry" fit into this picture?
> 
> "I just pointed out that it was available despite the fact that
> I have spoken against them as unprincipled and unethical
> but I did not recommend them to someone who was looking
> to buy Amithlon I just pointed out that it was available
> without giving any opinion beyond mentioning a dispute."

Who are you quoting here?  And please answer the question:  Where 
does your "sophistry" fit into this picture?

> Ouch.

Is your head hurting you?

>> > Uhm, okay, if I had a date that you purchased on it would be
>> > ever so much clearer to me.
> 
>> Shortly after Bernie's cease and desist statement.  Is your
>> short- term memory going on you?
> 
> Must be,

Maybe that has something to do with your headaches.

> that's why I included a timeline that could be used
> to check back against.

That's nice.  And where exactly did that get you?  Are you any wiser 
now?

>> Bottom-feeding!  You are reading far more into Sam's simple
>> statement than he actually said.  What is your agenda in doing
>> so, TrollBoy? 
> 
> I guess it is time to go back to the beginning and run through
> it all again.

You do that.  If and when you ever figure it out be sure to come back 
and apologize, okay TerryTroll?

>> > Suddenly, out of the blue,
> 
>> IOW, in response to Sam's false statement...
> 
> Now Sam's a liar?

You seemed to think so, considering you stated that he didn't mean 
what he said.  I think he believed what said but simply didn't know 
all the facts.  Either way, what he said was not true and I corrected 
him.  Why do you hate it so much when people state facts in c.s.a.a??

> I read it as a lament

That's your problem.

>> > Gary Beeton posts, in
>> > comp.sys.amiga.advocacy of all places,
> 
>> Imagine, following-up to the same newsgroup that the post was
>> sent to.  What is the world coming to!
> 
> Where Gary Beeton has staked out the high moral ground
> where his belief is based on a system of proofs that couldn't
> and wouldn't make it into a courtroom.

Nice dodge!  BTW, what courtroom would that be?

>> And you have a problem with facts being posted to c.s.a.a, do
>> you? 
> 
> No probelm with facts

Then please do apologize for making a prick of yourself over nothing.

>> Pure PalfreyWeasel invention.  I ask again:  What is your
>> agenda in doing so?
> 
> De-trolling CSAA.

You're still here.  It's not working.

>> Again:  What is your agenda in spewing these lies about me?
> 
> Lies? Gee Gary, that's rather strong,

If you can't stand the heat then drag your lying ass back under your 
rock and shut the fuck up.

> I saw a reversal of your
> high and mighty ethical stance

Get your eyes fixed.

>> >>We've been over this.  Do you have a point in
>> >>here anywhere?
> 
>> > Yup,
> 
>> Well?  What is it??
> 
> Yup, reread and replace in context.

Your point is that you are a troll!  Thanks but we already knew that.

>> > just want a date.
> 
>> You have it.
> 
> Nope, I've got a description of the date, for the record
> will you state the date and time.

Nope, you would just invent some new lies to suit your agenda anyway, 
so what's the point?  Besides, it's much more fun watching you crawl 
through the muck groping for something to sling.

>> You're bottom-feeding again, TrollBoy.  And when you can't find
>> any muck from the bottom of your cesspool to sling at me, you go
>> and invented some lies to spew.  What a pathetic little slimeball
>> you are, WeaselBoy!
> 
> Sorry, if you bought it after the Quo vadis statement that is the
> only proper interpretation.

You keep overlooking the fact that I bought it in good faith.  Why is 
that, TrollBoy?

> Since you are not local to SH you
> could also have cancelled the order.

Had I been expecting H&P to turn this into a long-drawn vendetta, I 
would have.  Unfortunately I don't have 20-20 clairvoyance.

>> > I just have this nagging feeling that I am missing something.
> 
>> Ethics?  Morals?  A conscience?  A clue?  All of the above?
> 
> Yah, where did yours go?

They are right here in front of you where they have always been.  
It's a pitty you are so incapable of recognizing such things!

>> > Ahh, just like recommending that Sam could pick up Amithlon
>> > from H&P would just be a niggling ethical issue that you failed
>> > to address in the manner you had up until that particular
>> > reversal, which I don't believe for a moment, you were just
>> > trolling again. 
> 
>> More sliminess from the PalfreyWeasel.  Give it a rest, pinhead,
>> nobody is buying this shit you're peddling.
> 
> Private e-mail if you were trying to help and public posting in a
> forum where you have declared yourself long and hard if you
> were trolling.

Like I said, nobody is buying this shit you're peddling, so why 
bother??

>> >>You're bottom-feeding again, TerryTroll.  Go fuck yourself.
> 
>> > Hiding something?
> 
>> No, and neither are you, sleasebag.  Your lies are completely
>> transparent.
> 
> Questions.

You are hiding questions???  Okay, whatever.

>> Only your usual dodging attempts.  WHAT IS YOUR  O P I N I O N ?
> 
> Being an under the bridge living troll

Still don't know what "trolling" means, huh, Terry?  Maybe you could 
get your granddad to take you fishing some day and explain it to you.

> we've come to expect this type of tactic when you are cornered.

When *I* am cornered???  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Good one, 
TerryTroll!  Absolutely priceless!

Anyway, back to the question you keep inexplicably dodging:  What is 
your opinion regarding Steve's slander against Amithlon's developer?

>> IOW, you are standing behind Steve no matter what he spews, on
>> the grounds that you support "free speech".  Too bad you don't
>> extend that righteous attitude to those who don't share his (or
>> your) opinion.
> 
> But I do you silly troll.

Your actions speak louder than your lies.

>> If you think that my opinion is just the other end of the stick
>> to Steve's opinion, then obviously you think that Steve too is an
>> ignorant troll for posting his unimformed ravings on the subject.
>> Right, Terry?
> 
> Gary just confessed he is an ignorant troll. The case is still out
> on Steve.

TerryTroll just confessed that he is a major-league hypocrite.  
Thanks, that's what I've been goading you into admitting.

-- 
Gary Beeton
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gbeeton (1728)
9/6/2003 11:51:56 PM
"Gary Beeton" writes:

>"T Palfrey" <tpalfrey@istar.ca> wrote in
>news:vljutadabp7le3@corp.supernews.com: 

>> "Gary Beeton" <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:Xns93EE4862A00Agbeetonshawca@24.66.94.159...
 
>>>tpalfrey@zool.com (Terry) wrote in
>>>news:93789681752@a1a65803.sympatico.bconnected.net:
 
>>>> Gary Beeton <gbeeton@shaw.ca> wrote:
 
>>>>> Speaking of which:  When are we going to see that apology you
>>>>> owe us?

>>>> You can apologise for your trolling all by yourself.
 
>>> Now, now, little boy.

>> More patronizing twaddle, of course it only works if someone
>> believes that you are an adult yourself.

>If you wish me to treat you with respect you must first start
>acting  respectable.  [I won't be holding my breath]

No Gary that's not it at all, first you need to grow a thicker skin
and lose the martyr complex you've developed because  someone asked
you to prove what you were on about, specifically running and using
an Amiga currently.

>> Let's look at your initial admission:

>>>(Granted, reporting that Amithlon is still available for sale
>>>*could* be construed as supporting H&P, but I sincerely doubt
>>>that you would be bright enough to make that connection.)
 
>> Hmmm, so everything that follows after that post is either
>> trolling or backpeddaling.

>It's not my fault that you are too dim to comprehend what I was
>saying (in response to YOUR trolling, I might add).  Why is it
>nobody  else had any trouble understanding it?

I have no trouble seeing that you reversed a position you held by
declaring the high moral ground despite the lack of information and
facts.

You can dodge <screaming about fascist dictators>, bob  <reverse
any good shot at your pathetic front> and weave <snip the hard
parts> all you want.

You aren't fooling anybody, where's your tag team buddy Noel? Your
comic relief RaYzor? Even Lund isn't dropping in to support your
position. You have something against Steve, I'm not part of that
except where I know that Steve produces and where I defend free
speech, especially in the face of the blatant manipulation of
public opinion about what is really going on with Amithlon.

>>>I see you are back to your favourite sleazy trick of trying to
>>>attribute me with things I did not say, intend, or imply in any
>>>way.

>> By your own admission you realised what you had said but didn't
>> apologise in any way for having said it.

>By my own admission, you are a sleazy prick who is back to his
>favourite sleazy trick of trying to attribute me with things I did
>not say, intend, or imply in any way. Take your pathetic twisted
>conniving infantile claptrap above as an example.

Heh, oh, attack the messenger because you cannot attack the content
in context. Your admission, not mine. You make mine up for me and
expect them to stand but when you condemn yourself by your own
hand...well that's diiferent.

>>> The person that you claimed I had betrayed spoke up and said
>>> that he didn't interpret my words to be a betrayal.
>>:>Now you have posted publicly an extreme reversal.
 
>>:Just in case it matters to you, Terry --- *I* didn't see any
>>:such reversal.
 
>> That's right

>Yes, TerryTroll, that *IS* right.  Obviously that means that you
>are  wrong.  So why don't you attempt to save a little face by
>apologizing  to c.s.a.a for being such a childish little prick
>about it.

You snipped something my little troll:

> That's right, Bernd with all of his problems and an ongoing feud
> with Steve isn't likely to be as sensitive to your out of
> character "factual posts" as I am having been the focal point of
> your spew for over a year for asking for simple proof of current
> Amiga use and ownership.
> 
> But he has also said:
> 
> Considering there will be no "next generation", and there will be
> no "development", that would be a rather non-sensical question.
> Unless, of course, you believe in a certain "Developer and
> Founder", who surprisingly enough hasn't developed anything in
> almost 2 years....

>> So, in light of your public declarations, your admission above
>> stands as a reversal in my eyes, a glaring and blatant reversal
>> even though Bernd doesn't see it that way.

>Why should anybody give a shit what a pathetic weaselly little
>troll  like you thinks!  The "victim" doesn't feel that he's been
>victimized  by me because he hasn't been.  Your toothless vendetta
>against me  won't change that fact.

Ahh, Bernd isn't really the victim is he? I was on about your high
and mighty moralizing against Steve for his position. And I another
of your "victims" am quite sensitive to your tactics.

>>>It's time for you  to grow up and admit that you were wrong.
>>>That would be the grown-up thing to do.

>> Time to take your own advice?

>TerryTroll chooses the infantile approach!
 
More snippage you refuse to deal with:

> Bernd is on about you, I am on about your previous high and
> mighty moral stance.
> 
> Ah, so what about my question:
> 
> >You were trolling in a public newsgroup and you did not use the
> >>word illegal at all, which is either an admission that your
> >>stance was overboard or that you lack ethics, which is it?

Terry

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tpalfrey (1197)
9/7/2003 3:46:21 AM
"tpalfrey" <tpalfrey@zool.com> wrote in 
news:z2.u2.HR2tJIkPVEeGj1g.NR@zool.com:

> "Gary Beeton" writes:
> 
>>If you wish me to treat you with respect you must first start
>>acting  respectable.  [I won't be holding my breath]
> 
> No Gary that's not it at all

You don't want any respect?  Fine by me.  Just keep doing your slimy 
little troll act and you will receive none whatsoever.

>>It's not my fault that you are too dim to comprehend what I was
>>saying (in response to YOUR trolling, I might add).  Why is it
>>nobody  else had any trouble understanding it?
> 
> I have no trouble seeing that you reversed a position you held by
> declaring the high moral ground despite the lack of information and
> facts.

What you see when you're stoned bares no similarity to reality.

> You aren't fooling anybody,

Unlike you, I'm not trying to.

> where's your tag team buddy Noel? Your
> comic relief RaYzor? Even Lund isn't dropping in to support your
> position.

And *your* support??  There has been precisely zero, nada, zilch 
people jumping to your defense.  Even Steve isn't THAT stupid!

> You have something against Steve, I'm not part of that
> except where I know that Steve produces and where I defend free
> speech, especially in the face of the blatant manipulation of
> public opinion about what is really going on with Amithlon.

A good deal of which comes from Steve's poison pen.

>>By my own admission, you are a sleazy prick who is back to his
>>favourite sleazy trick of trying to attribute me with things I did
>>not say, intend, or imply in any way. Take your pathetic twisted
>>conniving infantile claptrap above as an example.
> 
> Heh, oh, attack the messenger

I haven't attacked any messenger.  I attacked the pathetic, sleazy 
prick named Terry "The Weasel" Palfrey who keeps spreading lies about 
me.

>>Yes, TerryTroll, that *IS* right.  Obviously that means that you
>>are  wrong.  So why don't you attempt to save a little face by
>>apologizing  to c.s.a.a for being such a childish little prick
>>about it.
> 
> You snipped something my little troll:

Yes, more of your irrelevant diversionary drivel.  You can't dodge 
reality by acting childish.  Reality: You were wrong.  Reality: You 
invented malicious lies about me.  Reality: You owe c.s.a.a an 
apology.  Deal with it.

>>Why should anybody give a shit what a pathetic weaselly little
>>troll  like you thinks!  The "victim" doesn't feel that he's been
>>victimized  by me because he hasn't been.  Your toothless vendetta
>>against me  won't change that fact.
> 
> Ahh, Bernd isn't really the victim is he?

Not by my hand, no.  He has been victimized by Steve.  He has been 
victimized by H&P.  But he has NOT been victimized by me.  He said so 
himself.  You seem to want to make him a victim though.  Why is that, 
WeaselBoy??

> And I another
> of your "victims" am quite sensitive to your tactics.

You, TerryTroll, are a victim of your own malicious stupidity.  
Nothing else.

>>TerryTroll chooses the infantile approach!
>  
> More snippage you refuse to deal with:

Say something resembling the truth and I'll deal with it.

-- 
Gary Beeton
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The new campaign features its friendly, stick-in-your-head jingle "Ace is the place with the helpful hardware folks," and includes real Ace store ...

DARPA to host killer “Improv” performances with hacked hardware
... Defense Science Office is preparing for an alternative sort of "improv" performance. DARPA is inviting researchers, developers, and hardware-hacking ...

Xbox One hardware upgrades could extend the life of Microsoft’s console
For decades, the video game console has been a transient purchase. From the moment you set up an Atari or an NES or a PlayStation in your living ...

Why hardware vendors need to sell Google and Facebook lousier products if they want to survive
Last month, Google's VP of Infrastructure made an unusual request to computer hardware manufacturers: build hard drives that are less reliable. ...

How to use Apple Diagnostics to identify Mac hardware problems
... are usually pretty reliable, but when they do go wrong the Apple Diagnostics tool should help you figure out if you have a software or a hardware ...

Xbox One could be getting hardware upgrades
... Showcase and the head of Xbox, Phil Spencer, dropped some hints about the Xbox One's future. "You'll actually see us come out with new hardware ...

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