if anyone is interested in adding their cpm website(s):

http://i.webring.com/hub?ring=cpm

i couldn't find a webring dedicated to CP/M or MP/M so out of wanting
to learn more about the "grandpappy" of operating systems I thought
I'd create a webring to "consolidate" information and websites that
are centered around CP/M

any objections or comments ?

I hope to have my own page on CP/M on my own site up but not sure
when....

os65000@yahoo.com (* ProteanThread *) wrote in message news:<de4e2e00.0408111200.5bdf65b6@posting.google.com>...
> if anyone is interested in adding their cpm website(s):
> 
> http://i.webring.com/hub?ring=cpm
> 
> i couldn't find a webring dedicated to CP/M or MP/M so out of wanting
> to learn more about the "grandpappy" of operating systems I thought
> I'd create a webring to "consolidate" information and websites that
> are centered around CP/M
> 
> any objections or comments ?
> 
> I hope to have my own page on CP/M on my own site up but not sure
> when....

Great, but you forgot a newsgroup. I'm guessing there are more Apple
CP/M users than commodore.

On the other hand, What if you have a Spartan?

"Leon Howell" <puritan_2076@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:ae64f04a.0408120934.45e336a9@posting.google.com...
>
> Great, but you forgot a newsgroup. I'm guessing there are more Apple
> CP/M users than commodore.
>
> On the other hand, What if you have a Spartan?


Don't forget TI and Tandy newsgroups.  :o)

But what's a spartan ?  (see another reason for the webring)


-- 
Woodzy

http://www.rtdos.com   (alt OS for games based on the classics)
http://rtdos.com/chat
  Chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
  every Sunday @ 1PM MDT (1900 GMT)

Leon Howell wrote:

> > On the other hand, What if you have a Spartan?

ProteanThread wrote:

> But what's a spartan ?

     A Spartan is an Apple II+ in a specially-made box which hooks up
to the rear ports of the C64.  Using the C64 keyboard, you can run in
C64 mode or switch to Apple II+.  You can use Apple II disk drives
with the Spartan, or with a special daughterboard inserted into the
1541, you can use the 1541 to use Commodore disks or Apple disks.
     At last year's Vintage Computer Festival 6.0, we had a Spartan on
display at our table.  I think Larry Anderson has VCF 6.0 photos of
Hans Franke trying to abscond the Spartan out of my hands.  ;-)  Go to
 http://www.portcommodore.com

                                          Truly,
                                          Robert Bernardo
                                          Fresno Commodore User Group
                                          http://videocam.net.au/fcug

"* ProteanThread *" wrote:

> (...) I thought
> I'd create a webring to "consolidate" information and websites that
> are centered around CP/M
>
> any objections or comments ?

Consolidate yourself first. (You think too much...)
Do something useful, instead of wasting our time and money!

> I hope to have my own page on CP/M on my own site up but not sure
> when....

Answer: Never! Vade Retro, Satanas!! Go (back) to hell!!!

"French Luser"

"French Luser" <Bill.Gates@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:<cfi6nh$bq4$1@news-reader3.wanadoo.fr>...
> "* ProteanThread *" wrote:
> 
> > (...) I thought
> > I'd create a webring to "consolidate" information and websites that
> > are centered around CP/M
> >
> > any objections or comments ?
> 
> Consolidate yourself first. (You think too much...)
> Do something useful, instead of wasting our time and money!
> 
> > I hope to have my own page on CP/M on my own site up but not sure
> > when....
> 
> Answer: Never! Vade Retro, Satanas!! Go (back) to hell!!!
> 
> "French Luser"

Hey, now, Woodzy is just trying to make a better online presence for
older machines. Nothing wrong with that. You should see his websites.
He even has these nifty logos in the background. Wonder where he got
them? ;-)


Ralph Glatt

"French Luser" <Bill.Gates@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:<cfi6nh$bq4$1@news-reader3.wanadoo.fr>...

> > (...) I thought
> > I'd create a webring to "consolidate" information and websites that
> > are centered around CP/M
> >
> > any objections or comments ?
> 
> Consolidate yourself first. (You think too much...)
> Do something useful, instead of wasting our time and money!

 So you think that you have done something useful by pissing off a
person who at least tries to do something positive for the retro
communities?
 You are wasting money and time by posting messages like this on the
usenet (And not only yours obviously).

> > I hope to have my own page on CP/M on my own site up but not sure
> > when....
> 
> Answer: Never! Vade Retro, Satanas!! Go (back) to hell!!!

If someone like you blames me for my retropages, I will reconsider the
answers and never will come as option too.

-- 
http://drhirudo.hit.bg

French Luser is someone you read with amusement, learn from, or ignore as 
his individual posts merit. This one falls into the ignore category.

Regards,
Tom 

Hallo drhirudo,


> If someone like you blames me for my retropages, I will reconsider the
> answers and never will come as option too.

I already gave my opinion about mr. * ProteanThread *. And his ring
only confirmed it: the only site listed for the moment is his one. At
least I excpected Gaby's site there as well as most of consider this
THE CP/M site.

I normally wouldn't have answered at all but it is YOUR site that made
me angry. When arriving at your site I was invited by means of a
pop-up to another Dutch site to download ant-virus programs at a rate
of � 0.80/minute. Clicking 'No' I was confronted with another pop-up
showing girls licking cocks. I have nothing against sex, proof: I have
children. But these have interest in Commodres as well. And they visit
the internet. And the oldest one knows what comp.sys.cbm is. So he
could click your site and 9 is too young for this kind of stuff......

OK, you may say that it isn't your fault but the fault of your
provider. But that is a small excuse IMHO. Do me a favour, find
yourself another provider.


--
    ___
   / __|__
  / /  |_/     Groetjes, Ruud
  \ \__|_\
   \___|       URL: Ruud.C64.org

"Ruud Baltissen" <Ruud.Baltissen@abp.nl> wrote in message >
> I already gave my opinion about mr. * ProteanThread *. And his ring
> only confirmed it: the only site listed for the moment is his one. At
> least I excpected Gaby's site there as well as most of consider this
> THE CP/M site.


I've not invited Gaby or anyone else *YET* as I placed an open invitation
here first.


> OK, you may say that it isn't your fault but the fault of your
> provider. But that is a small excuse IMHO. Do me a favour, find
> yourself another provider.


If he's using a free webhost, then i can understand where both he'e coming
from (can't really complain 'cause its free; i.e. beggers can't be choosers)
and where you're coming from (no one likes pop up ads except the illiterate
who just like to point and click).  But, yes, there are some good free
webhosts with great packages but tons of pop up ads and some with small
packages with little or no pop up ads; if you have to go free only choose
what services you really need and be careful what or who you choose.


>
>
> --
>     ___
>    / __|__
>   / /  |_/     Groetjes, Ruud
>   \ \__|_\
>    \___|       URL: Ruud.C64.org

<j.bielak(AT)comcast.net> wrote in message
news:JL-dnV6f664HpoHcRVn-ig@comcast.com...
>
>  "Leon Howell" <puritan_2076@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>  news:ae64f04a.0408120934.45e336a9@posting.google.com...
> >
> > Great, but you forgot a newsgroup. I'm guessing there are more Apple
> > CP/M users than commodore.
> >
> > On the other hand, What if you have a Spartan?
>
> or a C-128....
>


doesn't matter.  anything that is CP/M (or even MP/M) related.

Ruud Baltissen wrote:

> 
> OK, you may say that it isn't your fault but the fault of your
> provider. But that is a small excuse IMHO. Do me a favour, find
> yourself another provider.
> 

I think you're right, but I would also consider using a browser which
can let you avoid pop-ups, like mozilla or firefox. Just to protect
your kids.

Igor

Thomas Martin wrote:
> French Luser is someone you read with amusement, learn from, or ignore as 
> his individual posts merit. This one falls into the ignore category.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom 
> 
> 

It is his opinion, and you should have to respect all opinions, or ?
Sometimes his kind of answers are a bit more "direct", but he has his 
reasons. Protean Thread never shows a real interest nor a enthusiastic 
style of writing, he do not really went into detail, I never had the 
feeling he was seriously interested in the matter.
If he is really interested, he should start to talk about technical 
details instead of flavours or general facts.
And btw, choosing such a web provider for his own site shows he don't 
care about sex adverts and other annoying stuff.

Regards
  Peter

(P.S.: Happy I got a rare (working) serial/parallel interface for my 
Amstrad PCW 8256, already had transferred a lot of files successful with 
Kermit-80 and a null modem cable, only with 4800 baud, but it works...)

Jeff,

though you e-mailed me personally, I send you my answer through this
newsgroup, because I think that my answer might be interesting to others,
too.

> if anyone is interested in adding their cpm website(s):
>
> http://i.webring.com/hub?ring=cpm
>

<completely personal opinion>
Webrings are out. Some years ago, when there were only non-working search
engines and picky web directories, webrings were of some use to promote
similar sites, that otherwise would have gone lost in the WWW. Nowadays,
with Google and ODP, all important sites can be found with (most of the
times) one click. Only unimportant sites will still need to promote in some
other way (banners, webrings and the like).
All my sites are top-positioned at Google and listed on ODP, so for me
there's no need to deform my sites with ugly navigation bars.
</completely personal opinion>

Bye, Gaby

-- 
Mrs. Gaby Chaudry
http://www.gaby.de/
mailto:gaby@gaby.de

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:58:13 +0200
"Gaby Chaudry" <chaudry@gaby.de> wrote:

> <completely personal opinion>
> Webrings are out. 

Gaby is not alone in her personal opinion.  FWIW, I completely agree
with her.

Hal

Hallo Gaby,


> All my sites are top-positioned at Google and listed on ODP, so for me
> there's no need to deform my sites with ugly navigation bars.

I just did Google on 'commodore hardware'. And I must admit that I was
more then pleased with the result :)


--
    ___
   / __|__
  / /  |_/     Groetjes, Ruud
  \ \__|_\
   \___|       URL: Ruud.C64.org

"Peter Smith" <peter.smith@programmer.net> wrote in message
>
> It is his opinion, and you should have to respect all opinions, or ?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  I just ignore french lusers. 
Seems more trollish than anything.

> Sometimes his kind of answers are a bit more "direct", but he has his 
> reasons. Protean Thread never shows a real interest nor a enthusiastic 
> style of writing, he do not really went into detail, I never had the 
> feeling he was seriously interested in the matter.
> If he is really interested, he should start to talk about technical 
> details instead of flavours or general facts.

Just because I do not talk about CP/M machines specifically does *NOT* mean 
I don't care about 'em.  To me, talking about retro machines in general is 
just as important.  I am trying to learn as much as possible about CP/M so 
that I *CAN* talk about CP/M machines in specifics.  :-)

> And btw, choosing such a web provider for his own site shows he don't care 
> about sex adverts and other annoying stuff.

Me ?  My website http://www.rtdos.com has *NO* pop up or banner ads of any 
type.  It all comes out of my own pocket for the benefit of the retro 
community.  In other words its free to you 'cause I pay the fee.

> Regards
>  Peter
>
> (P.S.: Happy I got a rare (working) serial/parallel interface for my 
> Amstrad PCW 8256, already had transferred a lot of files successful with 
> Kermit-80 and a null modem cable, only with 4800 baud, but it works...)

That's cool, is there a site with pics ?

"Gaby Chaudry" <chaudry@gaby.de> wrote in message
news:cfsaaf$kvj$03$1@news.t-online.com...
> Jeff,
>
> though you e-mailed me personally, I send you my answer through this
> newsgroup, because I think that my answer might be interesting to others,
> too.
>
> > if anyone is interested in adding their cpm website(s):
> >
> > http://i.webring.com/hub?ring=cpm
> >
>
> <completely personal opinion>
> Webrings are out. Some years ago, when there were only non-working search
> engines and picky web directories, webrings were of some use to promote
> similar sites, that otherwise would have gone lost in the WWW. Nowadays,
> with Google and ODP, all important sites can be found with (most of the
> times) one click. Only unimportant sites will still need to promote in
some
> other way (banners, webrings and the like).
> All my sites are top-positioned at Google and listed on ODP, so for me
> there's no need to deform my sites with ugly navigation bars.
> </completely personal opinion>
>
> Bye, Gaby
>
> -- 
> Mrs. Gaby Chaudry
> http://www.gaby.de/
> mailto:gaby@gaby.de
>
>


I respect you position but still see a benefit to webrings.  I think
webrings still help newer or fresh sites to at least get somewhat noticed.
Remember, Google (and other search engines) rankings are based on hits and
newer websites do not have this advantage so they may not get noticed and
therefore if the webmaster or webmistress realizes that not many people are
visiting their site then they may abandon their well thought out well put
together website and give up on any forth coming project or idea.  Your site
is listed at the top of Google because, obviously, it is a popular website
in the CP/M community but what about newer CP/M websites that may come along
down the road ?  Don't they deserve a chance to be seen ? Being in a webring
may not be the greatest idea in the world but its not a bad idea either.  At
least in a webring someone's site might get noticed and then more hits
genereated thereby increasing the rankings for the page and also increasing
the chance of the website getting noticed not only by web surfers but also
by web search engines.  This is a way to do it for *FREE* without banner
ads, pop up ads, or anyother type of annoying ad (which I don't have on my
own site btw)..

I agree, I don't like the web ring nav code either, but if there was a way
that I could make it smaller, I would (not much into html code).


-- 

Woodzy
http://www.rtdos.com   (alternate OS for games based on the classics)
http://rtdos.com/debate  (politically charged discussions)
http://rtdos.com/guestbook   (submit your links here)
http://rtdos.com/forum   (rtdos message boards)
http://rtdos.com/rtdos   (rtdos active developer chat)

http://rtdos.com/chat
retro themed chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
every Sunday @ 1PM MDT (1900 GMT)

"*ProteanThread*" <rtdos@rtdos.com> wrote in message news:<VmrUc.38762$865.23084@hydra.nntpserver.com>...

> I respect you position but still see a benefit to webrings.  I think
> webrings still help newer or fresh sites to at least get somewhat noticed.
> Remember, Google (and other search engines) rankings are based on hits and
> newer websites do not have this advantage so they may not get noticed and
> therefore if the webmaster or webmistress realizes that not many people are
> visiting their site then they may abandon their well thought out well put
> together website and give up on any forth coming project or idea.  Your site
> is listed at the top of Google because, obviously, it is a popular website
> in the CP/M community but what about newer CP/M websites that may come along
> down the road ?  Don't they deserve a chance to be seen ? Being in a webring
> may not be the greatest idea in the world but its not a bad idea either.  At
> least in a webring someone's site might get noticed and then more hits
> genereated thereby increasing the rankings for the page and also increasing
> the chance of the website getting noticed not only by web surfers but also
> by web search engines.  This is a way to do it for *FREE* without banner
> ads, pop up ads, or anyother type of annoying ad (which I don't have on my
> own site btw)..

Don't be so logical to these selfelected netcops, as they look to slam
and rant everything which doesn't fit in their frontiers. Usenet is
open place for everyone, but after seeing such insults I think why
someone should bother at all?

-- 
http://drhirudo.hit.bg

Hi,

> Remember, Google (and other search engines) rankings are based on hits and

Not exactly. Google ranking is based on the number of links pointing to a
site. The more links point to a site, the more important it is (according to
the Google system). And of course a link from an important site is estimated
higher than a link from an isolated site.
So if you want to promote a new site, the best way to get it "googled" is to
ask others with high-ranked sites to link to it.
And of course send it to the ODP (dmoz.org). ODP editors don't care about
how established a site is, nor how popular, but just about the contents.
Many other web directories are nowadays based on Dmoz (e.g. yahoo, aol,
a.s.o.)

Unfortunately I didn't find any content on your CP/M page... :-((

Btw, you should read
http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

Best wishes
Gaby

-- 
Mrs. Gaby Chaudry
http://www.gaby.de/
mailto:gaby@gaby.de

Hi,

> Don't be so logical to these selfelected netcops, as they look to slam
> and rant everything which doesn't fit in their frontiers. Usenet is
> open place for everyone, but after seeing such insults I think why
> someone should bother at all?

I'm not quite sure what you are talking about. If you are talking about me,
I must say that *you* are the person who is insulting.
I never said anything against Woodzy's project. On the contrary, I like the
idea of building kind of retro portal. I only wanted to let him (and all
others) know why I won't join the webring. That's my personal decision. It's
up to you to dislike that or not. But Woodzy at least respected it.
As he is relatively new to the subject, it's important to discuss with him
the best means to promote his site. I'm already in the progress to add a
link to it (just looking for the best place to put it).

Now, what is your benefit to this thread?

Gaby
-- 
Mrs. Gaby Chaudry
http://www.gaby.de/
mailto:gaby@gaby.de

"Gaby Chaudry" <chaudry@gaby.de> wrote in message
news:cfvc1f$gkr$06$1@news.t-online.com...
> Hi,
>
>
> Not exactly. Google ranking is based on the number of links pointing to a
> site. The more links point to a site, the more important it is (according
to
> the Google system). And of course a link from an important site is
estimated
> higher than a link from an isolated site.

Then I'm confused.  When I type in 'rtdos' in google, my site is the 1st
listed.  Are you telling me that there are a lot of links to my website ?

> So if you want to promote a new site, the best way to get it "googled" is
to
> ask others with high-ranked sites to link to it.
> And of course send it to the ODP (dmoz.org). ODP editors don't care about
> how established a site is, nor how popular, but just about the contents.
> Many other web directories are nowadays based on Dmoz (e.g. yahoo, aol,
> a.s.o.)
>
> Unfortunately I didn't find any content on your CP/M page... :-((
>
> Btw, you should read
> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

I read it once before.  :o)
Theres been quite a bit of discussion about this on alt.comp.freeware (one
of my normal groups that I frequent) so I guess its really a matter of
choice versus netiquitte.

> Best wishes
> Gaby

Thanks again for your input.

"Gaby Chaudry" <chaudry@gaby.de> wrote in message
news:cfvf27$tpl$00$1@news.t-online.com...
> Hi,
>
> As he is relatively new to the subject, it's important to discuss with him
> the best means to promote his site. I'm already in the progress to add a
> link to it (just looking for the best place to put it).


Thanks, I appreciate that.  I'm working on getting some CP/M info on my site
as soon as possible (because of the broad retro theme of the site that may
take some time)


> Now, what is your benefit to this thread?
>
> Gaby
> -- 
> Mrs. Gaby Chaudry
> http://www.gaby.de/
> mailto:gaby@gaby.de
>
>

Hi,

> Then I'm confused.  When I type in 'rtdos' in google, my site is the 1st
> listed.  Are you telling me that there are a lot of links to my website ?

No, this is one of the exceptions to the general rule I mentioned ;)
Your url's name is identical to the subject, therefore it's automatically
ranked higher.
E.g. if you're looking for "cats", a site with the url cats.org will be
ranked higher than allaboutnothing.com, even if the contents are identical.
Google is indeed a very sophisticated system.

[quoting]
> Theres been quite a bit of discussion about this on alt.comp.freeware (one
> of my normal groups that I frequent) so I guess its really a matter of
> choice versus netiquitte.

But please don't quote signatures..... That's *bad*, *bad*, *bad* ...

> Thanks again for your input.

You're welcome.

All the best
Gaby

-- 
Mrs. Gaby Chaudry
http://www.gaby.de/
mailto:gaby@gaby.de

Seen these?

http://home.tiscali.se/pausch/apple2/Apple.CPM.ref.txt

http://home.tiscali.se/pausch/apple2/CPM.ref.txt

Well, this has been the incentive to start updating
my CP/M pages. Might even be useful to somebody ;)

-- 
JGH

"J.G.Harston" <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:73210e4c.0408241818.31b422bc@posting.google.com...
: Well, this has been the incentive to start updating
: my CP/M pages. Might even be useful to somebody ;)

LINK ??????  Please ??????

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
Email - willy46pa @ comcast DOT net
Change DOT to a dot to contact me



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"Bill Garber" wrote:
> "J.G.Harston" wrote:
> : Well, this has been the incentive to start updating
> : my CP/M pages. Might even be useful to somebody ;)
> 
> LINK ??????  Please ??????

Follow the webring? ;)
http://www.mdfs.net/Software/CPM
Abit unsorted and scrappy at the moment

-- 
JGH


> 
> Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
> Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
> Email - willy46pa @ comcast DOT net
> Change DOT to a dot to contact me
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> This email ain't infected, dude!
> 
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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"J.G.Harston" <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:73210e4c.0408280755.6457a273@posting.google.com...
> "Bill Garber" wrote:
> > "J.G.Harston" wrote:
> > : Well, this has been the incentive to start updating
> > : my CP/M pages. Might even be useful to somebody ;)
> >
> > LINK ??????  Please ??????
>
> Follow the webring? ;)
> http://www.mdfs.net/Software/CPM
> Abit unsorted and scrappy at the moment
>
> -- 
> JGH
>
>



There is already a CP/M webring ???

"*ProteanThread*" <rtdos@rtdos.com> wrote in message
news:C8nZc.68923$JG7.55347@hydra.nntpserver.com...
> "J.G.Harston" <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:73210e4c.0408280755.6457a273@posting.google.com...
> > "Bill Garber" wrote:
> > > "J.G.Harston" wrote:
> > > : Well, this has been the incentive to start updating
> > > : my CP/M pages. Might even be useful to somebody ;)
> > >
> > > LINK ??????  Please ??????
> >
> > Follow the webring? ;)
> > http://www.mdfs.net/Software/CPM
> > Abit unsorted and scrappy at the moment
> >
> > -- 
> > JGH
> >
> >
>
>
>
> There is already a CP/M webring ???
>
>
>



OOOPPPSSS!!!  Tha'ts my webring.  I liked what you've done with the nav
code, looks nice.