I am sure that most people know that if you continually spam a
channel, you will get kicked.  Then if you come back asking "What did
I do?? Gimme a chance", you will likely get kicked again.

If you come into a channel pretending to know people and dropping
names, you get? Kicked, thats right.

If someone says they don't want to talk to you, puts you on ignore and
you continually PM them? ding ding, you get kicked

The bottom line is simple, don't SPAM, don't always say the EXACT SAME
THING every time you are in the channel, and don't pm or "Warn" the
ops.  Is that reasonable?  If you are not an op does it matter if you
think it is? well, yes, you can choose to go to another channel in
protest, just pick one where the ops aren't the same.  If you want to
start a scrwdrgos and post insults about me in there, have at it!

On Apr 14, 12:09 pm, "Dragos" <mglad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am sure that most people know that if you continually spam a
> channel, you will get kicked.  Then if you come back asking "What did
> I do?? Gimme a chance", you will likely get kicked again.
>
> If you come into a channel pretending to know people and dropping
> names, you get? Kicked, thats right.
>
> If someone says they don't want to talk to you, puts you on ignore and
> you continually PM them? ding ding, you get kicked
>
> The bottom line is simple, don't SPAM, don't always say the EXACT SAME
> THING every time you are in the channel, and don't pm or "Warn" the
> ops.  Is that reasonable?  If you are not an op does it matter if you
> think it is? well, yes, you can choose to go to another channel in
> protest, just pick one where the ops aren't the same.  If you want to
> start a scrwdrgos and post insults about me in there, have at it!

I regret that the post that I originally wrote in anger was not
deleted when I tried to delete it.
In any case, I was unbanned, and the issue somewhat resolved.
But I still want to say that there are some pretty childish politics
in that channel
But I guess that is IRC and you have to take what you get.

Oh well

<Kimmyland@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1176571913.327819.258010@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> I regret that the post that I originally wrote in anger was not
> deleted when I tried to delete it.

Once you post a message to a Usenet newsgroup, it's permanent.

-Andrew

"Andrew Wiskow" <wiskow@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:hU8Uh.870$jR5.92@trnddc08...
>
> <Kimmyland@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:1176571913.327819.258010@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> I regret that the post that I originally wrote in anger was not
>> deleted when I tried to delete it.
>
> Once you post a message to a Usenet newsgroup, it's permanent.

There are Usenet servers that will allow deletions if you do it before the
message is propagated to other servers.

Tom Lake 

"Andrew Wiskow" <wiskow@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:hU8Uh.870$jR5.92@trnddc08...
>
> <Kimmyland@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:1176571913.327819.258010@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> I regret that the post that I originally wrote in anger was not
>> deleted when I tried to delete it.
>
> Once you post a message to a Usenet newsgroup, it's permanent.
>

No it isn't.

You can delete a message but only off the original server and not ones the 
message has propogated to.

That means that unless you virtually delete a message straight after posting 
it, it is too late.

Clockmeister <whowhere@andwhy.com> wrote:
>You can delete a message but only off the original server and not ones the 
>message has propogated to.

Do you mean a Google delete?  If so, that isn't permanent.  I don't know if
Google would even honor something that USENET tsars respected (for the most
part) years before the google droids had their first pubes.  But anyway,
now that they apparently own USENET I'd say its more than likely a google
delete, which means it might be unavailable but its for sure 'archived'
somewhere within google.

>>You can delete a message but only off the original server and not ones the
>>message has propogated to.
>
> Do you mean a Google delete?  If so, that isn't permanent.  I don't know 
> if
> Google would even honor something that USENET tsars respected (for the 
> most
> part) years before the google droids had their first pubes.  But anyway,
> now that they apparently own USENET I'd say its more than likely a google
> delete, which means it might be unavailable but its for sure 'archived'
> somewhere within google.

No, not a Google delete.  There's a command to the Usenet server to delete 
the message
directly.  MS has this command in Outlook Express (not sure about Windows 
Mail)
but a lot of Usenet servers have the capability turned off.

Tom Lake 

"RED MARTIAN" <martians@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message 
news:evrj5b$3or$1@chessie.cirr.com...
> Clockmeister <whowhere@andwhy.com> wrote:
>>You can delete a message but only off the original server and not ones the
>>message has propogated to.
>
> Do you mean a Google delete?  If so, that isn't permanent.  I don't know 
> if
> Google would even honor something that USENET tsars respected (for the 
> most
> part) years before the google droids had their first pubes.  But anyway,
> now that they apparently own USENET I'd say its more than likely a google
> delete, which means it might be unavailable but its for sure 'archived'
> somewhere within google.
>

No, not Google. I'm talking about Usenet servers. 

Clockmeister wrote:

> Andrew Wiskow wrote:

>> Once you post a message to a Usenet newsgroup, it's permanent.
>
> No it isn't.
>
> You can delete a message but only off the original server and not 
> one the message has propogated to.

Yes and no. One could send out a cancel message. Whether the cancel will 
be respected or not is another matter. Google ignores them and since they 
have now archived the article, the original poster's lack of clue is now 
a part of the permanent record.

-- 
Golan Klinger 
Dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.

"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> writes:

>No, not a Google delete.  There's a command to the Usenet server to delete 
>the message directly.

You're thinking of a cancel control message. 

As you state, not all servers will honour them, and some will not pass them
along either.

--
      Cameron Kaiser * ckaiser@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128
                 personal page: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/
  ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! **
                  ** http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/ **

On Apr 14, 4:38 pm, Cameron Kaiser <ckai...@floodgap.com> wrote:
> "Tom Lake" <t...@twcny.rr.com> writes:
> >No, not a Google delete.  There's a command to the Usenet server to delete
> >the message directly.
>
> You're thinking of a cancel control message.
>
> As you state, not all servers will honour them, and some will not pass them
> along either.
>
> --
>       Cameron Kaiser * ckai...@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128
>                  personal page:http://www.cameronkaiser.com/
>   ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! **
>                   **http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/**

Yep..  Was the original reason from way back for them usenet servers
not answering usenet cancel requests was that people were masquerading
themselves and trying to get other people's posts deleted?

There is probably more reasons then just this one. *bad memory*

Jeremy supercommodoreatmaildotcom

On Apr 15, 1:32 am, supercommod...@mail.com wrote:
> On Apr 14, 4:38 pm, Cameron Kaiser <ckai...@floodgap.com> wrote:
>
> > "Tom Lake" <t...@twcny.rr.com> writes:
> > >No, not a Google delete.  There's a command to the Usenet server to delete
> > >the message directly.
>
> > You're thinking of a cancel control message.
>
> > As you state, not all servers will honour them, and some will not pass them
> > along either.
>
> > --
> >       Cameron Kaiser * ckai...@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128
> >                  personal page:http://www.cameronkaiser.com/
> >   ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! **
> >                   **http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/**
>
> Yep..  Was the original reason from way back for them usenet servers
> not answering usenet cancel requests was that people were masquerading
> themselves and trying to get other people's posts deleted?
>
> There is probably more reasons then just this one. *bad memory*
>
> Jeremy supercommodoreatmaildotcom

Well anyways, I deleted the original post....guess it was propagated
before I deleted it.
But that channel can be nasty at times.
It would be nice to find an IRC channel where there are no childish
games and politics

On Apr 14, 10:36 pm, Kimmyl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 15, 1:32 am, supercommod...@mail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 4:38 pm, Cameron Kaiser <ckai...@floodgap.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Tom Lake" <t...@twcny.rr.com> writes:
> > > >No, not a Google delete.  There's a command to the Usenet server to delete
> > > >the message directly.
>
> > > You're thinking of a cancel control message.
>
> > > As you state, not all servers will honour them, and some will not pass them
> > > along either.
>
> > > --
> > >       Cameron Kaiser * ckai...@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128
> > >                  personal page:http://www.cameronkaiser.com/
> > >   ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! **
> > >                   **http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/**
>
> > Yep..  Was the original reason from way back for them usenet servers
> > not answering usenet cancel requests was that people were masquerading
> > themselves and trying to get other people's posts deleted?
>
> > There is probably more reasons then just this one. *bad memory*
>
> > Jeremy supercommodoreatmaildotcom
>
> Well anyways, I deleted the original post....guess it was propagated
> before I deleted it.
> But that channel can be nasty at times.
> It would be nice to find an IRC channel where there are no childish
> games and politics

Kimmyland, you have been in irc for awhile and should know the game by
now?

Not going to go into here what happened.

Jeremy supercommodoreatmaildotcom

On Apr 15, 2:07 am, supercommod...@mail.com wrote:
> On Apr 14, 10:36 pm, Kimmyl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 1:32 am, supercommod...@mail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 14, 4:38 pm, Cameron Kaiser <ckai...@floodgap.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Tom Lake" <t...@twcny.rr.com> writes:
> > > > >No, not a Google delete.  There's a command to the Usenet server to delete
> > > > >the message directly.
>
> > > > You're thinking of a cancel control message.
>
> > > > As you state, not all servers will honour them, and some will not pass them
> > > > along either.
>
> > > > --
> > > >       Cameron Kaiser * ckai...@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128
> > > >                  personal page:http://www.cameronkaiser.com/
> > > >   ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! **
> > > >                   **http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/**
>
> > > Yep..  Was the original reason from way back for them usenet servers
> > > not answering usenet cancel requests was that people were masquerading
> > > themselves and trying to get other people's posts deleted?
>
> > > There is probably more reasons then just this one. *bad memory*
>
> > > Jeremy supercommodoreatmaildotcom
>
> > Well anyways, I deleted the original post....guess it was propagated
> > before I deleted it.
> > But that channel can be nasty at times.
> > It would be nice to find an IRC channel where there are no childish
> > games and politics
>
> Kimmyland, you have been in irc for awhile and should know the game by
> now?
>
> Not going to go into here what happened.
>
> Jeremy supercommodoreatmaildotcom- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Jeremy, it sure sounds like you are excusing that sort of behaviour.
Yes, I have been on IRC for a while now, so what?
and if we are not going to go into it here, then where?

Kimmyland@gmail.com wrote in news:1176571913.327819.258010
@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> But I still want to say that there are some pretty childish politics
> in that channel
> But I guess that is IRC and you have to take what you get.

Why is it that whenever someone acts like a complete douche in 
#c64friends and gets kb'd for their trouble, they always come in here 
crying about how it's the CHANOPS who are childish?

WTF, seriously, WTF?

There are ~70 people who regularly visit #c64friends, ~20 of them hanging 
in the channel at any given time, with a huge peak on Saturday nights.  

There are ~2 people who regularly get kicked.  You, and Garth.  

Occasionally someone else will act like a tool and get booted for it, but 
that's pretty infrequent, maybe once every few weeks or months.  

Consider those numbers, they'll tell you where the REAL problem lies.

namgnob

>
> Why is it that whenever someone acts like a complete douche in
> #c64friends and gets kb'd for their trouble, they always come in here
> crying about how it's the CHANOPS who are childish?
>

How do you know what transpired in that channel?
Why are the Ops always right?
And did it ever occur to you that if some users (and there are more
than one) are insulted, mocked, baited and generally 'abused' in a
channel and then come here to try to resolve the situation they are
being childish?
LEARN about what happened before you take sides.

> WTF, seriously, WTF?
>
> There are ~70 people who regularly visit #c64friends, ~20 of them hanging
> in the channel at any given time, with a huge peak on Saturday nights.  
>
> There are ~2 people who regularly get kicked.  You, and Garth.  
>
> Occasionally someone else will act like a tool and get booted for it, but
> that's pretty infrequent, maybe once every few weeks or months.  
>
> Consider those numbers, they'll tell you where the REAL problem lies.
>
> namgnob

Did not realize you had to be POPULAR to be in the channel
:(

Kimmyland@gmail.com wrote in
news:1176665026.489926.80670@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: 

> How do you know what transpired in that channel?
Everything in #c64friends is logged.

> Why are the Ops always right?
I never claimed that the ops were ALWAYS being right.  You're trying to 
misrepresent the issue to make your position seem more reasonable.

> And did it ever occur to you that if some users (and there are more
> than one) are insulted, mocked, baited and generally 'abused' in a
> channel and then come here to try to resolve the situation they are
> being childish?
You were warned over and over for quite some time to stop acting like a 
dick, yet you continued to bait the ops and generally make a nuisance of 
yourself in the channel.  "abuse" you received was a direct response to 
your own actions.

> LEARN about what happened before you take sides.
I already know what happened.  Had you gotten kicked without reason, I'd 
be in here defending you instead of telling you to piss off.

>> There are ~70 people who regularly visit #c64friends, ~20 of them
>> hanging in the channel at any given time, with a huge peak on
>> Saturday nights.  
>>
>> There are ~2 people who regularly get kicked.  You, and Garth.  
>>
>> Occasionally someone else will act like a tool and get booted for it,
>> but that's pretty infrequent, maybe once every few weeks or months.  
>>
>> Consider those numbers, they'll tell you where the REAL problem lies.
>>
>> namgnob
> 
> Did not realize you had to be POPULAR to be in the channel
POPULAR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR HAS BROUGHT THIS BAN UPON YOU, the same way that your 
behavior has caused you problems in other forums.

namgnob

>
> > Why are the Ops always right?
>
> I never claimed that the ops were ALWAYS being right.  You're trying to
> misrepresent the issue to make your position seem more reasonable.
>

No, I am trying to say that there are two sides to every story, and
you only seem to have gotten one side.
My position has YET to be discussed between you and I.

 >
> You were warned over and over for quite some time to stop acting like a
> dick, yet you continued to bait the ops and generally make a nuisance of
> yourself in the channel.  "abuse" you received was a direct response to
> your own actions.

Total nonsense.  And untrue.  I was insulted continuously by some of
the ops (Why do you see that as me baiting the ops...I have NO idea
where you get that from).   Making a nuisance of myself?  That is your
opinion.   Me and others happen to disagree.   Being called a 'dumb
fuck' among other things is not very mature, wouldn't you say?


>
> > LEARN about what happened before you take sides.
>
> I already know what happened.  Had you gotten kicked without reason, I'd
> be in here defending you instead of telling you to piss off.

YOu know ONE side of the story.  You did not even bother to ask ME
what happened and what MY position was, you prematurely took the one
side that you heard without knowing all the details.

> > Did not realize you had to be POPULAR to be in the channel
>
> POPULAR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
>
> YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR HAS BROUGHT THIS BAN UPON YOU, the same way that your
> behavior has caused you problems in other forums.
>
> namgnob

Your opinion.   Ops insulting and baiting users is not acceptable
behaviour, is it?
Why do you keep avoiding considering that question?

"Bongman" <bongman@darklordsofchaos.com> wrote in message 
news:Xns99139B2666ECCbongmandarklordsofch@208.49.80.253...
> Kimmyland@gmail.com wrote in news:1176571913.327819.258010
> @w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
>> But I still want to say that there are some pretty childish politics
>> in that channel
>> But I guess that is IRC and you have to take what you get.
>
> Why is it that whenever someone acts like a complete douche in
> #c64friends and gets kb'd for their trouble, they always come in here
> crying about how it's the CHANOPS who are childish?
>
> WTF, seriously, WTF?
>
> There are ~70 people who regularly visit #c64friends, ~20 of them hanging
> in the channel at any given time, with a huge peak on Saturday nights.
>
> There are ~2 people who regularly get kicked.  You, and Garth.

and me, and Slarti and...

All for no particular reason except for not staying within ultra 
conservative boundaries of the channel. 

On Apr 15, 8:51 pm, "Dragos" <mglad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Slarti is a tool. not welcome there ever again. I don't care if feed
> all the orphans in the world and resurrects whatever Deity it is you
> may put all your hope into.  He is Done.  And now, so is Kimmy.
>
> The bottom line is, if the ops decide you are not welcome, you are not
> welcome. plain and simple.  Kimmys threat of physical violence crossed
> a line that he can never retreat from. Mistake? Most certainly, but
> sometimes people pay for their mistakes.  I find it odd that he has
> such a fascination for our little channel anyway.  Start your own, Let
> me know how that works out for you.

Dragos....STOP it.   You are misrepresenting everything.  You have
your own opinions but that is all they are opinions.
You don't know what my intentions are or were as you never asked.   I
said specifically that if golan wanted a fight, he could have
one...that meant I was not going to be pushed around by him and back
down.  You want to read physical violence into that you are more than
entitled to but it is WAY more complicated than that.   You are not
being fair, and you are basically gossipping and spreading rumors
around.   Golan was insulting me, mocking me and making veiled threats
of banishment, etc.  Finally after 30 minutes I lost my temper and
said things that I now regret.   Shit happens.   But you make it sound
like I basically for no reason threatened the guys safety and
health.   That is TOTALLY untrue.  Stop making stuff up.

>
> As for your side of the story, we don't HAVE to see it.  We don't have
> to tolerate your differences.  We are free thinking adults and we are
> bound by no code of ethics that require us to recognize your right to
> be an ass.

Well, if you are going to make shit up about me and spread rumors and
gossip, then you are NOT acting like an adult.
I tried to be friendly and tolerant of people in there but
continuously for months you have been rude and abrasive towards me as
well as a few other people.   I am certainly entitled to defend myself
and respond in kind without having to bow down to you and kiss your
ass.   And as far as my side of the story goes, if you don't have it,
all you have is rumor and you are making stuff up.   That is really
childish.

>
> If you are asked repeatedly not to do something and your reply is Why
> are you picking on me or what did i do?  then you are too stupid to
> have social interaction with us.  Don't spam the channel with graphics
> chars. Do you understand that??? apparently not, since you did this
> continuously AFTER being told to quit spamming:

That is untrue.   That one paragraph of characters was done once.   I
was bored.   It was 3am and NOBODY was talking, there was NO activity
in the channel.  Stop overexaggerating and making it sound like I
committed a cardinal sin.
As for the other single characters I explained that my cat was
sleeping on the keyboard as he sometimes does.
I was afk....get it?  I was watching TV.

The bottom line is this....you have been rude, intolerant, impatient
and you have mocked me, insulted me and spread rumors about me for the
past 2 months.   God forbid I lose my temper and yell and scream and
throw a little bit of a tantrum.
That's all it was and it is over.   But apparently you are the type
who holds grudges.   How sad.

Please don't spread rumors about me anymore and please stop attacking
me and my character.
And the issue of golan and me WAS resolved the night before with
Destined acting as a go-between.  But apparently you missed that.

Gil

Well, I am done.

I have logs, and others pm logs of everything, and the people you say
have forgave and forgot don;t seem to remember doing so.

and if this isn't a threat, I don't know what is:

03:43:14| <Kimmyland> I am going to say this to you only once
03:43:20| <Kimmyland> STOP trying to pick a fight with me
03:43:28| <Kimmyland> or you will HAVE one at the next TPUG meeting
03:43:30| <Kimmyland> GOT IT?

Post away, my point is made.  Rational people understand.  If someone
who's opinion I value thinks otherwise, please let me know (those who
don't, dont bother)

On Apr 16, 12:18 am, "Dragos" <mglad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I am done.
>
> I have logs, and others pm logs of everything, and the people you say
> have forgave and forgot don;t seem to remember doing so.

Who did you speak to and what did they say?
You are being very vague in all your accusations.
I mentioned Destined....did you speak to him?

>
> and if this isn't a threat, I don't know what is:
>
> 03:43:14| <Kimmyland> I am going to say this to you only once
> 03:43:20| <Kimmyland> STOP trying to pick a fight with me
> 03:43:28| <Kimmyland> or you will HAVE one at the next TPUG meeting
> 03:43:30| <Kimmyland> GOT IT?

It's simple really. .... golan was insulting me over and over again.
So I tell him IF you are trying to pick a fight with me, I am NOT
going to back down in cowardice and do nothing, I am going to STAND up
to you....therefore if you want a fight, you can have one, I am not
scared.
That is not an overt threat Dragos.....it is a warning to someone who,
if they WANT a fight, they can have one, that I am not going to be
afraid of them.  It is quite different from me saying....

"I am going to beat you up at the next TPUG meeting"

I trust you can see the difference between the two, the context in
which they were said, and the environment at the time.
You can make things up if you want, but you have no right to claim to
know what my intentions are.   I am stating here that I was warning
him to STOP picking on me.....I have that right, don't I?


> Post away, my point is made.  Rational people understand.  If someone
> who's opinion I value thinks otherwise, please let me know (those who
> don't, dont bother)

Well, a few people mentioned to me that they see my side of the story
and have asked me to just let it go.
If they give me permission or they feel free to speak up here, they
can do so.

On Apr 16, 12:24 am, Kimmyl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 16, 12:18 am, "Dragos" <mglad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, I am done.
>
> > I have logs, and others pm logs of everything, and the people you say
> > have forgave and forgot don;t seem to remember doing so.
>
> Who did you speak to and what did they say?
> You are being very vague in all your accusations.
> I mentioned Destined....did you speak to him?
>
>
>
> > and if this isn't a threat, I don't know what is:
>
> > 03:43:14| <Kimmyland> I am going to say this to you only once
> > 03:43:20| <Kimmyland> STOP trying to pick a fight with me
> > 03:43:28| <Kimmyland> or you will HAVE one at the next TPUG meeting
> > 03:43:30| <Kimmyland> GOT IT?
>
> It's simple really. .... golan was insulting me over and over again.
> So I tell him IF you are trying to pick a fight with me, I am NOT
> going to back down in cowardice and do nothing, I am going to STAND up
> to you....therefore if you want a fight, you can have one, I am not
> scared.
> That is not an overt threat Dragos.....it is a warning to someone who,
> if they WANT a fight, they can have one, that I am not going to be
> afraid of them.  It is quite different from me saying....
>
> "I am going to beat you up at the next TPUG meeting"
>
> I trust you can see the difference between the two, the context in
> which they were said, and the environment at the time.
> You can make things up if you want, but you have no right to claim to
> know what my intentions are.   I am stating here that I was warning
> him to STOP picking on me.....I have that right, don't I?
>
> > Post away, my point is made.  Rational people understand.  If someone
> > who's opinion I value thinks otherwise, please let me know (those who
> > don't, dont bother)
>
> Well, a few people mentioned to me that they see my side of the story
> and have asked me to just let it go.
> If they give me permission or they feel free to speak up here, they
> can do so.

Bottom Line to all of this is that it was all one big Misunderstanding
and politics played a big part in it.
I am no devil and neither are the ops.   Shit just happens.
Question is, can you be adults and work thru the problems or be
children and hold grudges, gossip and generally be immature.   I chose
the former.

Gil

On Apr 16, 11:48 am, Kimmyl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 16, 12:24 am, Kimmyl...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > On Apr 16, 12:18 am, "Dragos" <mglad...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Well, I am done.
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> > > I have logs, and others pm logs of everything, and the people you say
> > > have forgave and forgot don;t seem to remember doing so.
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> > Who did you speak to and what did they say?
> > You are being very vague in all your accusations.
> > I mentioned Destined....did you speak to him?
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> > > and if this isn't a threat, I don't know what is:
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> > > 03:43:14| <Kimmyland> I am going to say this to you only once
> > > 03:43:20| <Kimmyland> STOP trying to pick a fight with me
> > > 03:43:28| <Kimmyland> or you will HAVE one at the next TPUG meeting
> > > 03:43:30| <Kimmyland> GOT IT?
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> > It's simple really. .... golan was insulting me over and over again.
> > So I tell him IF you are trying to pick a fight with me, I am NOT
> > going to back down in cowardice and do nothing, I am going to STAND up
> > to you....therefore if you want a fight, you can have one, I am not
> > scared.
> > That is not an overt threat Dragos.....it is a warning to someone who,
> > if they WANT a fight, they can have one, that I am not going to be
> > afraid of them.  It is quite different from me saying....
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> > "I am going to beat you up at the next TPUG meeting"
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> > I trust you can see the difference between the two, the context in
> > which they were said, and the environment at the time.
> > You can make things up if you want, but you have no right to claim to
> > know what my intentions are.   I am stating here that I was warning
> > him to STOP picking on me.....I have that right, don't I?
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> > > Post away, my point is made.  Rational people understand.  If someone
> > > who's opinion I value thinks otherwise, please let me know (those who
> > > don't, dont bother)
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> > Well, a few people mentioned to me that they see my side of the story
> > and have asked me to just let it go.
> > If they give me permission or they feel free to speak up here, they
> > can do so.
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> Bottom Line to all of this is that it was all one big Misunderstanding
> and politics played a big part in it.
> I am no devil and neither are the ops.   Shit just happens.
> Question is, can you be adults and work thru the problems or be
> children and hold grudges, gossip and generally be immature.   I chose
> the former.
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So? No response?
God forbid there should be a discussion in here that makes some sense
:O

>>>>> "K" == Kimmyland  <Kimmyland@gmail.com> writes:

K> Question is, can you be adults and work thru the problems or be
K> children and hold grudges, gossip and generally be immature. I
K> chose the former.

Actually, you chose throwing a tantrum in an unrelated forum.

You're banned from an IRC channel, no big deal, just move on.

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On Apr 17, 7:56 am, MagerValp <MagerV...@cling.gu.se> wrote:
> >>>>> "K" == Kimmyland  <Kimmyl...@gmail.com> writes:
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> K> Question is, can you be adults and work thru the problems or be
> K> children and hold grudges, gossip and generally be immature. I
> K> chose the former.
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> Actually, you chose throwing a tantrum in an unrelated forum.
>
> You're banned from an IRC channel, no big deal, just move on.
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I know....I am not perfect.
did not mean to cause trouble.
Just blowing off some steam

Thanks