I've posted a personal blog entry about the C-One and the mailing list
and why this community needs to take a hard look at itself and decide
what's important and why some sacred cows need to be dealt with.  Go
read it at <http://blog.paytonbyrd.com/?p=11>.

Hi Payton,

> I've posted a personal blog entry about the C-One and the mailing list

Why not just post it here on c.s.c where no one is going to "moderate"
it and let the battle begin. I'm sure a number of people would love to
comment.

MikeC

Hi,

As a c-1 owner I find  too, the moderation of that list(on yahoo)
annoying..

It could be nice to see a comp.sys.c-one

I agree. I had tried to post messages that were really not that bad.
Even a compliment to the devs including Jens and commented on how the C-One 
development is finally making progress from what would be a doorstop (for 
me, that is) to something functional. I could not see using and paying the 
money for it, just for some CPC clone. I have no CPC software and nor do any 
development for CPC. I could handle it being used for an initial boot mode.

This was not intended to be an insult to the devs but it finally reaching a 
point in which I could possibly look into it. Though quite a roundabout way 
but it is moving forward (in my eyes).

However, Bo (not list owner) moderation methods are a bit - well, 
unproductive or at least not helpful in getting the C-One development and 
developments around the C-One to be more lively and active.



"xc8/bRONx" <csynt8bit@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1154772655.283023.173130@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> As a c-1 owner I find  too, the moderation of that list(on yahoo)
> annoying..
>
> It could be nice to see a comp.sys.c-one
> 

I stand by every decision, especially the ones on Rick.  That group is
not for C1 discussions, debates, or idle chatter.  It is for
announcements and questions only.  If you aren't posting a C1
annoucement or a question (or an answer (1 per question is best)),
don't bother.

Several hundred subscribers were lost over a year ago due to the
open-posting policy, which necessitated this change.

Having said all that, I'd give my left arm to be replaced as moderator.
  It's an utterly thankless task.  I'd much rather be spending my time
coding than playing diplomat, mediator, conselor, or jurist.

Submitted with regret,
- Bo Zimmerman
(Texas geoJunky)

Bo wrote:

> I stand by every decision, especially the ones on Rick.

     For those who don't like the CommodoreOne mailing list, there is
the C-One Peripherals mailing list (moderated by Rick Balkins!).

> That group is not for C1 discussions, debates, or idle chatter.  It is for
> announcements and questions only.  If you aren't posting a C1
> annoucement or a question (or an answer (1 per question is best)),
> don't bother.

     I too have been slapped on the hand by Bo, and I will try to do
better in the future.  :-)

                                                             Truly,
                                                             Robert
Bernardo
                                                             Fresno
Commodore User Group

http://videocam.net.au/fcug

I do have the Yahoo SpamGuard activated and Post moderation. However, it is 
mainly to check if the post is from a spammer that got pass the SpamGuard. I 
will also moderate if the posts begins to become hostile.

If either side or both sides, initially takes hostile debates privately and 
continues to conclude the debate privately, all the better. I welcome on the 
C-One Peripherals ANY C-One related conversations such as C-One discussions, 
debates, and some idle chatter. However, it would not be welcomed to have 
the obvious arguments and flames. They tend to piss everyone off. Those 
types of posts would likely be filtered out. I will filter the posting when 
I notice it going out of hand.

If you are patient and willing to wait for me to filter the messages as they 
come through, when I have time ( I would entertain the idea of having 
another moderator that is trustworthy - but with some limits ), great, this 
would be a good group to discuss things pertaining to the C-One without as 
much blocking.

However, for function purposes, Q&A that are specific of the C-One that 
would be targetted directly to the dev team or by nature of the question is 
targetted to the dev team, should be posted on the main CommodoreOne (C-One) 
list. I may on occassion re-post onto the C-One mainlist a question of this 
nature that is posted to C-One Peripherals, but don't expect it. It depends 
on my mood and likely if I am also interested in the answer to that same 
question.

Time to mark down the list info:

C-One Peripherals
-----------------------------

Related Link: http://c64upgra.de/c-one/
Post message: C-OnePeripherals@yahoogroups.com
Subscribe: C-OnePeripherals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe: C-OnePeripherals-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
List owner: C-OnePeripherals-owner@yahoogroups.com



<rbernardo@value.net> wrote in message 
news:1154798810.237383.40180@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Bo wrote:
>
>> I stand by every decision, especially the ones on Rick.
>
>     For those who don't like the CommodoreOne mailing list, there is
> the C-One Peripherals mailing list (moderated by Rick Balkins!).
>
>> That group is not for C1 discussions, debates, or idle chatter.  It is 
>> for
>> announcements and questions only.  If you aren't posting a C1
>> annoucement or a question (or an answer (1 per question is best)),
>> don't bother.
>
>     I too have been slapped on the hand by Bo, and I will try to do
> better in the future.  :-)
>
>                                                             Truly,
>                                                             Robert
> Bernardo
>                                                             Fresno
> Commodore User Group
>
> http://videocam.net.au/fcug
> 

"commie" <bo@zimmers.net> wrote in message 
news:1154795763.232678.148740@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>I stand by every decision, especially the ones on Rick.  That group is
> not for C1 discussions, debates, or idle chatter.  It is for
> announcements and questions only.  If you aren't posting a C1
> annoucement or a question (or an answer (1 per question is best)),
> don't bother.

Send me your reasons for decisions, privately. That's all.
The stated paragraph above should fit in as a good reason.

> Several hundred subscribers were lost over a year ago due to the
> open-posting policy, which necessitated this change.

Yes and I can't say that I helped the matters.

> Having said all that, I'd give my left arm to be replaced as moderator.
>  It's an utterly thankless task.  I'd much rather be spending my time
> coding than playing diplomat, mediator, conselor, or jurist.

Is your left arm a good arm or a cruddy arm?

> Submitted with regret,
> - Bo Zimmerman
> (Texas geoJunky)
> 

"Rick Balkins" <nospam.rickbalkins@nospam.wavestarinteractive.com> wrote in 
message news:Gj5Bg.90$zK3.30@fe03.lga...

>I do have the Yahoo SpamGuard activated and Post moderation. However, it is 
>mainly to check if the post is from a spammer that got pass the SpamGuard. 
>I > will also moderate if the posts begins to become hostile.
<<< Snip >>>

Correction,

The Post moderation is on new members. This would be a key technique used to 
deal with Spammers.... 

<rbernardo@value.net> wrote ...

> Bo wrote:
>
>> I stand by every decision, especially the ones on Rick.
>
[snip]
>
>     I too have been slapped on the hand by Bo, and I will try to do
> better in the future.  :-)

If I can comment without being on any of the C=One lists (just don't have the
time for them), Bo gets my vote as being OK.  No one is perfect, but Bo is an
asset to the Commodore community.

Both Jeri and Jens are also assets to the community.  I may not have the
whole story, and Jeri may be partly to blame for the lack of a C64 core for
the C=One.  However, from what I have heard, Jens must shoulder at least half
the blame for the lack of a core.

And on top of that, I saw Elvis making crop circles behind a MacDonald's last
night.  Don't know what it is, but there is something about those Golden 
Arches that just draws UFO's!
-- 
Best regards,

Sam Gillett

Out of my mind.  Back in 5 minutes!

"Sam Gillett" <samgillettnospam@diespammermsn.com> wrote in message 
news:Kn6Bg.1706$rd1.1246@trnddc01...

> If I can comment without being on any of the C=One lists (just don't have 
> the
> time for them), Bo gets my vote as being OK.  No one is perfect, but Bo is 
> an
> asset to the Commodore community.

True, he is alright but there are some things that he needs to work on a 
little in his moderation in order for it to help be more productive.

Bo, lots of people don't join another list like the C-One Peripherals simply 
because they don't find joining two lists for the same project to be helpful 
or they find it to be too much trouble and too much bandwidth on their 
email.

However, neither list is much of bandwidth anyway. The key is to allow a 
variety of chatter and light personal comments and feelings but nip them (by 
filtering) when the posts become more hostile and stopping fights before 
they get to the public. I could block all people post until moderator's 
approval but for one moderator, that can be a pain in the arse if your list 
is wide in scope of topics.

Keep in mind that I did not start the C-One peripheral list. I became list 
owner when the list founder left. One of the big issue with the C-One 
Peripherals list not having the activity that a list of its nature deserves 
is BECAUSE there is such a closed development community and this list became 
essentially obsolete but until the C-One really becomes public and out of 
Beta, this list would become more feasible and suitable for the nature of 
the list.

However, I would find a PHP forum to be more functional and probably more 
useful but that is something that I feel. It is more centralized and all. I 
like a C-One site that is more like Lemon64 and some other sites.

One comment in the past (IIRC) from someone, was that the C-One Peripherals 
list doesn't have much activity because there is nothing really to talk 
about pertaining the C-One. Most of them are simply waiting.

I'm pretty sure that once there are reasons for chatter, then there would be 
more activity.

Most of those who had subscribed since Post Moderation on New members was 
established (those in the last year to 1.5 years) who have not been able to 
post, I elevated your posting priviledges. I recommend for any new members, 
to PLEASE contact me to verify you are who you are and use the email address 
that you subscribed with. This would be more helpful for me to modify. I 
apologize for such BELATED elevating of the posting priviledges to above 
moderation status so you may post freely.

The reason that I put Post Moderation on New Members and leaving it as such 
is because of spammers that somehow subscribe to the list and post spam. So 
it is a filtration method that works in case the SpamGuard doesn't catch it.

> Both Jeri and Jens are also assets to the community.  I may not have the
> whole story, and Jeri may be partly to blame for the lack of a C64 core 
> for
> the C=One.  However, from what I have heard, Jens must shoulder at least 
> half
> the blame for the lack of a core.

I have no comment on that. I just want to see a C64 core on the C-One soon.

Sam Gillett wrote:

> And on top of that, I saw Elvis making crop circles behind a MacDonald's last
> night.

     Well, there was the Elvis at Fitzgerald's Hotel & Casino, just
down the way from our CommVEx hotel.  His performances were free!  :-)

                                        And we listened to his music on
the all-Elvis
                                        channel on Sirius Satellite
Radio while on
                                        the way to Las Vegas!
                                        Robert Bernardo
                                        Fresno Commodore User Group
                                        http://videocam.net.au/fcug

Rick Balkins wrote:

> I just want to see a C64 core on the C-One soon.

     Uh, the NTSC C64 core is already there and so is a
partially-working PAL core.

                    Remembering that Rick has no C-1
                    nor will get one in the future,
                    Robert Bernardo
                    Fresno Commodore User Group
                    http://videocam.net.au/fcug

That depends, money is all that matters and not getting it directly from 
Jens.... I don't have one yet, but still. Your right. There is an NTSC core 
but I'm waiting for the cores to be accurate and full and finish on both PAL 
and NTSC.

As for getting one in the future. I had been straight out and honest in my 
feelings. Given that it is finally moving forward in a direction that is may 
become usable. I can see buying one in the future. Right now, the money is 
there. Buying one is not the problem. Having the money is not the problem.

Getting one from Jeri, I can handle nicely. Getting one from Jens, well... 
I'll see how he is.

<rbernardo@value.net> wrote in message 
news:1154822467.298599.218100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Rick Balkins wrote:
>
>> I just want to see a C64 core on the C-One soon.
>
>     Uh, the NTSC C64 core is already there and so is a
> partially-working PAL core.
>
>                    Remembering that Rick has no C-1
>                    nor will get one in the future,
>                    Robert Bernardo
>                    Fresno Commodore User Group
>                    http://videocam.net.au/fcug
> 

Who the hell cares??!!??

even if the C1 had a full, every possible issue fixed core, i still
wouldn't have one, my 128d and stockpile of spare parts will be running
long after all these posts are lost in time.

its time for "the community" to unstick their noses from BOTH sides of
this argument.  and saying thousands of dollars spent???  well, i guess
the 5 boards that have been sold *might* add up to aver a thousand
dollars.......

grow up, shut up, and move on.......

"Dragos" <mgladson@gmail.com> writes:

> even if the C1 had a full, every possible issue fixed core, i still
> wouldn't have one, my 128d and stockpile of spare parts will be running
> long after all these posts are lost in time.

Agreed. The C1 is the world's most expensive C64 emulator, and it
doesn't even emulate it properly, at least not PAL. I thought the
potential lay in its ability to be reconfigured, but from what I
understand, everyone focus the make-or-break on whether it can
emulate a Commodore 64 or not. As it happens, right now it mainly
is an Amstrad CPC emulator, which probably is good as those tend
to be more uncommon and perhaps more expensive to get than a real
C64.

-- 
Anders Carlsson

Well... true. I think by now, Jens doesn't give a f*** about the arguments 
in the past. If I'm willing to pay him for a board, he should be willing to 
sell it and ship it when he receives the money.

Beyond that, Who the F*** care?



"Dragos" <mgladson@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1154829167.487821.51430@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Who the hell cares??!!??
>
> even if the C1 had a full, every possible issue fixed core, i still
> wouldn't have one, my 128d and stockpile of spare parts will be running
> long after all these posts are lost in time.
>
> its time for "the community" to unstick their noses from BOTH sides of
> this argument.  and saying thousands of dollars spent???  well, i guess
> the 5 boards that have been sold *might* add up to aver a thousand
> dollars.......
>
> grow up, shut up, and move on.......
> 

rbernardo@value.net wrote:
> Rick Balkins wrote:
> 
>> I just want to see a C64 core on the C-One soon.
> 
>      Uh, the NTSC C64 core is already there and so is a
> partially-working PAL core.
> 
>                     Remembering that Rick has no C-1
>                     nor will get one in the future,
>                     Robert Bernardo
>                     Fresno Commodore User Group
>                     http://videocam.net.au/fcug
> 

The NTSC C64 core is useless.  It doesn't work for just about anything. 
  There's no cartridge, no user port, and just about every game fails. 
Just because some BASIC stuff works ok doesn't mean it's worth a damn at 
this point.

-- 
Payton Byrd
<telnet://paytonbyrd.dyndns.org:6400>
<http://www.paytonbyrd.com>
<http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/visualbasic/dotnet>

Mark wrote:

> the 5 boards that have been sold...

     About 100 boards sold.

                                 Truly,
                                 Robert Bernardo
                                 Fresno Commodore User Group
                                 http://videocam.net.au/fcug

Rick Balkins wrote:

> As for getting one in the future. I had been straight out and honest in my
> feelings. Given that it is finally moving forward in a direction that is may
> become usable. I can see buying one in the future. Right now, the money is
> there. Buying one is not the problem. Having the money is not the problem.

     Uh, Rick, you have flip-flopped on this matter several times.  For
right now, I will take the "doubting Robert" approach.

                                Truly,
                                Robert Bernardo
                                Fresno Commodore User Group
                                http://videocam.net.au/fcug

<rbernardo@value.net> wrote in message 
news:1154857230.601724.229650@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>     Uh, Rick, you have flip-flopped on this matter several times.  For
> right now, I will take the "doubting Robert" approach.
>

Ok, no prob. The issue will depend on factors. I am not going to say that I 
will or will not. If progress moves forward and continues to, then the 
chances are going to increase.

The issue is simply put. If Jens remains professional and not be an 
(censored), I'd be more supportive of him. So far, he hasn't been an 
(censored) to me.

At this point, I'm waiting for things to progress.

I don't consider a core that is substantially incomplete to be developed.
Developed implies past tense and implies completeness. Right now, it is 
merely in development and has thus not been developed but is in the process 
of being developed but is not developed yet. If most programs do not work, 
it is useless so I am waiting for that to be complete.

My feelings on the project is dependent on how the project is progressing. I 
have an ideal set of specifications that I would want in this project and 
once it reaches that point then I'm going to entertain the option. If it 
doesn't reach that point, then I'm not going to buy it until it reaches that 
stage.

I want 3 cores, all the others are bonuses to me. I want a working C64 PAL 
and C64 NTSC core and a C-One core that promises the 65,536 colors SuperVIC, 
MonsterSID and all that and uses the 65c816. What we called "C-One Native 
Core" in the past. The last one, I can omit worrying about having complete 
if I have the PAL and NTSC c64 cores with full functionality.

I can handle the CPC thinggy being there for initial boot. If there becomes 
a C128 core, I'll be even happier (with NTSC and PAL support and already 64K 
VDC RAM support built in.)

Is this unreasonable? Is it unreasonable for me to not want to spend money 
on it until it has these cores? Is it unreasonable for me to consider it a 
doorstop until it has these cores? For me, a doorstop is when a computer is 
useless to the user (which in this case would be me). If it is useless to 
me, it is a doorstop. The positive development, is what I been waiting for 
and look forward to see happen and would be more willing to buy each step 
forward in this direction.

I'm taking a general approach on the project and basing my feelings and 
revising them as time moves on with the project.

Hello Rick,

Every one of your posts, without exception, is conversational or
analytical in nature.  As mentioned previously, open discussion, even
of issues tangent to the C1, is considered off-limits.  Jeri requires a
quiet group with an extremely narrow focus.  I have decided that the
best way to do that is to limit posts to announcements related to the
C1, or questions from people who don't understand something about the
C1 and want to know more about it (in other words, real questions ar
good,  rhetorical questions are bad).

- Bo

Rick Balkins wrote:
> "commie" <bo@zimmers.net> wrote in message
> news:1154795763.232678.148740@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I stand by every decision, especially the ones on Rick.  That group is
> > not for C1 discussions, debates, or idle chatter.  It is for
> > announcements and questions only.  If you aren't posting a C1
> > annoucement or a question (or an answer (1 per question is best)),
> > don't bother.
>
> Send me your reasons for decisions, privately. That's all.
> The stated paragraph above should fit in as a good reason.
>
> > Several hundred subscribers were lost over a year ago due to the
> > open-posting policy, which necessitated this change.
>
> Yes and I can't say that I helped the matters.
>
> > Having said all that, I'd give my left arm to be replaced as moderator.
> >  It's an utterly thankless task.  I'd much rather be spending my time
> > coding than playing diplomat, mediator, conselor, or jurist.
>
> Is your left arm a good arm or a cruddy arm?
>
> > Submitted with regret,
> > - Bo Zimmerman
> > (Texas geoJunky)
> >

"commie" <bo@zimmers.net> wrote in message 
news:1154894401.505399.182480@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Hello Rick,
>
> Every one of your posts, without exception, is conversational or
> analytical in nature.  As mentioned previously, open discussion, even
> of issues tangent to the C1, is considered off-limits.  Jeri requires a
> quiet group with an extremely narrow focus.  I have decided that the
> best way to do that is to limit posts to announcements related to the
> C1, or questions from people who don't understand something about the
> C1 and want to know more about it (in other words, real questions ar
> good,  rhetorical questions are bad).
>


Ok, that sounds good. There is at least the C-One Peripherals list for open 
discussions with C-1 premise. It sounds fair.

It would be good to see some members of the C-One dev team to be partially 
active on the C-One Peripherals list, (not too active, as they also need to 
do their work) because with the lack of any contribution or activity of the 
C-1 development team there, why would someone use this list?

It is sort of the issue at hand in that particular list. My hypothesis: 
People would not want to post there simply because of the lacking connection 
to the C-1 developers and lack of any of them posting anything there.

This lack of activity is sort of beyond me.