poppop2000 (8267)  Feedback: 100 % Positive    (HOW CAN THIS
BE??!?!?!??!)

Is all of your Commodore software BOGUS COPIES ?
looks like inkjet printed labels , Your Defender of the crown the
label is supposed to be on the back side, and Below the Root was never
published by Electronic Arts, TOO BAD you are
trying to DECEIVE people with your NON-ORIGINAL softwares. Nice touch
no-where do you say anything about original or factory made.


Below the Root

http://cgi.ebay.com/Commodore-64-128-Below-the-Root-Disk_W0QQitemZ110347453207QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Software?hash=item110347453207&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Defender of the Crown

http://cgi.ebay.com/Commodore-64-128-Defender-of-the-Crown-Disk_W0QQitemZ110319860428QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Software?hash=item110319860428&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A4%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Watch out people what a total SLAM-JOB I wonder if this is
Marchesse ?? that bogus seller that listed hundreds of items with free
shipping, and crazy info in the listings from years past.

-BBP

OMG... you're right.

Comparing the labels of Ghostbusters to The Hulk, they're the same
stock number (bottom right corner of disk label).

Ghostbusters: http://cgi.ebay.com/Commodore-64-128-Ghostbusters-Disk_W0QQitemZ110330486214
(also missing the Columbia Pictures copyright notice)

The Hulk: http://cgi.ebay.com/Commodore-64-128-The-Hulk-Disk_W0QQitemZ370136736027
(also missing the Scott Adams copyright notice)

I'm also reasonably sure that Suspect's disk label was perfectly
rectangular: http://cgi.ebay.com/Commodore-64-128-Suspect-Disk_W0QQitemZ370136009867

-James

I guess the thing that amazes me more than anything is that people
still buy this stuff.  I mean, it is pretty much all available over
the internet now.  And I'd be too afraid to buy any magnetic media of
that age, being that it might not work anymore.   Now, I'm all for
buying ROM cartridges on ebay, but I guess I just can't justify old
floppy disks.

adric22 <adric22@yahoo.com> wrote in news:

> I guess the thing that amazes me more than anything is that people
> still buy this stuff.  I mean, it is pretty much all available over
> the internet now.  And I'd be too afraid to buy any magnetic media of
> that age, being that it might not work anymore.   Now, I'm all for
> buying ROM cartridges on ebay, but I guess I just can't justify old
> floppy disks.

Oh yeah, the guy with the phony disks. This was discussed on Lemon64. His 
labels look authentic at first glance, but upon closer inspection you'll 
see that they use printing techniques that weren't used in the '80s.

I'd be afraid to use originals too (especially since most of them have 
gruesome copy protections), but collectors will always want the boxes and 
whatnot.

On 2/20/09 4:48 PM, in article Xns9BB8AAE3664A8nem@216.196.97.142, "nem"
<nem@nospam> wrote:

> adric22 <adric22@yahoo.com> wrote in news:
> 
>> I guess the thing that amazes me more than anything is that people
>> still buy this stuff.  I mean, it is pretty much all available over
>> the internet now.  And I'd be too afraid to buy any magnetic media of
>> that age, being that it might not work anymore.   Now, I'm all for
>> buying ROM cartridges on ebay, but I guess I just can't justify old
>> floppy disks.
> 
> Oh yeah, the guy with the phony disks. This was discussed on Lemon64. His
> labels look authentic at first glance, but upon closer inspection you'll
> see that they use printing techniques that weren't used in the '80s.
> 
> I'd be afraid to use originals too (especially since most of them have
> gruesome copy protections), but collectors will always want the boxes and
> whatnot.

Yeah, I picked up a *crapload* of PC game disks, (including a lot of Sierra
titles). They all use some copy protection, and when I tried booting them or
installing them on a PC that had a 5.25" drive and hard drive, many of them
were not even readable.

Remember, many of these took *several* 5.25" disks to install a game, and
odds are that one of them will be bad...

Thought about auctioning them when I bought them, but with the failure rate
I saw a short while later, good thing I didn't waste my time...

"adric22" <adric22@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:07ecd87b-35d0-4f06-a8f9-572112c2938c@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>I guess the thing that amazes me more than anything is that people
> still buy this stuff.  I mean, it is pretty much all available over
> the internet now.  And I'd be too afraid to buy any magnetic media of
> that age, being that it might not work anymore.   Now, I'm all for
> buying ROM cartridges on ebay, but I guess I just can't justify old
> floppy disks.

Some people waste their money on cigarettes and booze, other buying these 
shitty, used floppy disks - just to have that rare label none else has. They 
don't buy it for using it in any form or manner, dude, it's just for the 
label or the packaging that comes along the floppy.

When you're dealing with collectors, there's always the hardcore Simpsons 
Comic Book Guy kind of jerk, with too much money and time on his hand. The 
label has to be perfectly square and the fried chicken finger stains of the 
author have still to be there, with full KFC flavour attached to them...And 
what they do next? Watch it gather dust sitting on a fucking shelve.

I've always hated this excess. I understand buying new old stock because, 
hey, you can't match the pleasure of unshrinking something that has been 
waiting just for you to do it for over 20 years; also it's nice when the 
floppy disks doesn't have the write protect hole sealed with a green snot. 
Buying something that is unusable, dirty or doesn't retain its original use 
make no sense to me.

Some of these collectors are also so damn picky and crazed about their rare 
floppies, whose D64 images are all over the web anyway, that you see some 
truly sick and overblown prices showing up on eBay. Think of the Ultima 
III/3 game, selling for something like 200$. Oh come on, you can get 
yourself a PET 2001 for that money.  Plus I've always thought Ultima III was 
one of most piece of shit games ever. I'd actually give a grand to see some 
sweaty fat guy at a Commodore gaming convention, picking a sealed Ultima 
III/3 box, unshrinking it and rudely wiping his ass with the pristine floppy 
and manuals in front of these jerks.

Riccardo

On Feb 21, 11:14=A0am, "Riccardo Rubini" <rub...@despammed.com> wrote:
> Some people waste their money on cigarettes and booze, other buying these
> shitty, used floppy disks - just to have that rare label none else has.

> When you're dealing with collectors, there's always the hardcore Simpsons
> Comic Book Guy kind of jerk, with too much money and time on his hand. Th=
e
> label has to be perfectly square and the fried chicken finger stains of t=
he
> author have still to be there, with full KFC flavour attached to them...

I don't get it. You hate collectors who buy used disks and collectors
who buy unused disks.
Oh, wait, I do get it. You hate collectors.
So is collecting C=3D hardware "OK" then, as you can emulate instead?

daniel.otoole@ucd.ie wrote:

> I don't get it. You hate collectors who buy used disks and collectors
> who buy unused disks.
> Oh, wait, I do get it. You hate collectors.

Hilarious! I'm always greatly amused by those people that get their knickers 
in a knot over other people's interests/hobbies/habits that could not 
possibly cause any detriment to themselves or others. And to be outwardly 
hostile like that - well that indicates one thing to me... jealousy! LOL! ;)

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"

winston19842005 <bjjlyates@NOSPAMbellsouth.net> wrote in news:

> Yeah, I picked up a *crapload* of PC game disks, (including a lot of
> Sierra titles). They all use some copy protection, and when I tried
> booting them or installing them on a PC that had a 5.25" drive and
> hard drive, many of them were not even readable.

Sounds like you have Sierra AGI games. Those all had key disk protection 
(ie. a bad sector the game would look for on startup).

On 2/21/09 6:42 PM, in article Xns9BB9BE429DD9Fnem@216.196.97.142, "nem"
<nem@nospam> wrote:

> winston19842005 <bjjlyates@NOSPAMbellsouth.net> wrote in news:
> 
>> Yeah, I picked up a *crapload* of PC game disks, (including a lot of
>> Sierra titles). They all use some copy protection, and when I tried
>> booting them or installing them on a PC that had a 5.25" drive and
>> hard drive, many of them were not even readable.
> 
> Sounds like you have Sierra AGI games. Those all had key disk protection
> (ie. a bad sector the game would look for on startup).


Yes, they probably did, but usually they would not install either, due to a
disk read error - not the intentional one from the copy protection.

Riccardo Rubini wrote:
> "adric22" <adric22@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:07ecd87b-35d0-4f06-a8f9-572112c2938c@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>> I guess the thing that amazes me more than anything is that people
>> still buy this stuff.  I mean, it is pretty much all available over
>> the internet now.  And I'd be too afraid to buy any magnetic media of
>> that age, being that it might not work anymore.   Now, I'm all for
>> buying ROM cartridges on ebay, but I guess I just can't justify old
>> floppy disks.
>
> Some people waste their money on cigarettes and booze, other buying
> these shitty, used floppy disks - just to have that rare label none
> else has. They don't buy it for using it in any form or manner, dude,
> it's just for the label or the packaging that comes along the floppy.
>
> When you're dealing with collectors, there's always the hardcore
> Simpsons Comic Book Guy kind of jerk, with too much money and time on
> his hand. The label has to be perfectly square and the fried chicken
> finger stains of the author have still to be there, with full KFC
> flavour attached to them...And what they do next? Watch it gather
> dust sitting on a fucking shelve.
> I've always hated this excess. I understand buying new old stock
> because, hey, you can't match the pleasure of unshrinking something
> that has been waiting just for you to do it for over 20 years; also
> it's nice when the floppy disks doesn't have the write protect hole
> sealed with a green snot. Buying something that is unusable, dirty or
> doesn't retain its original use make no sense to me.
>
> Some of these collectors are also so damn picky and crazed about
> their rare floppies, whose D64 images are all over the web anyway,
> that you see some truly sick and overblown prices showing up on eBay.
> Think of the Ultima III/3 game, selling for something like 200$. Oh
> come on, you can get yourself a PET 2001 for that money.  Plus I've
> always thought Ultima III was one of most piece of shit games ever.
> I'd actually give a grand to see some sweaty fat guy at a Commodore
> gaming convention, picking a sealed Ultima III/3 box, unshrinking it
> and rudely wiping his ass with the pristine floppy and manuals in
> front of these jerks.

Some people pay thousands for a useless unreleased piece of silicon that 
doesn't work properly... to each their own ;-)

<daniel.otoole@ucd.ie> wrote in message 
news:941e0a2f-4893-4911-9a30-277bb6572294@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

> I don't get it. You hate collectors who buy used disks and collectors
> who buy unused disks.

You don't get it. That sums it all. I find obsessive, picky hardcore 
collectors a little bit itchy and laughable per se, hence most of the post 
was actually meant to be a joke ala George Carlin. Unfortunately, dimwits 
like you and Mark McDougall had to project their own mediocrity in my words, 
finding jealousy, anger and other sentiments that do not belong to my 
persona, expecially in regards of collectors.

> So is collecting C= hardware "OK" then, as you can emulate instead?

You should be grown up enough to make up your mind on your own. You are 
asking the wrong guy to be your father figure.

Riccardo 

"Mark McDougall" <msmcdoug@no.spam.iinet> wrote in message 
news:49a0769d$0$649$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> daniel.otoole@ucd.ie wrote:
>
>> I don't get it. You hate collectors who buy used disks and collectors
>> who buy unused disks.
>> Oh, wait, I do get it. You hate collectors.
>
> Hilarious! I'm always greatly amused by those people that get their 
> knickers in a knot over other people's interests/hobbies/habits that could 
> not possibly cause any detriment to themselves or others.

Well, son, being a collector myself, I am not that sure this kind of hobby 
isn't really detrimental to themselves or others. I have been lucky enough 
to spend literally thousand dollars on extremely rare hardware and software, 
but that made me a little more poor. And, also, collecting is all about 
greed, leisure and egoism - you know, those kinds of habits that none really 
admires in a person.  Do greed, leisure and egoism affect others? Guess so, 
son.

> And to be outwardly hostile like that - well that indicates one thing to 
> me... jealousy! LOL! ;)

Jealous? I have never been jealous about other collectors, that's such a 
useless waste of time and unproductive behaviour...What goes around comes 
around in this kind of "business", and sooner or later everything comes at 
the reach of your hand - depending also on your stubborness to get 
something. As I already said to little Daniel, the whole post was actually 
meant to be a vicious joke about the bad habits of hardcore collectors.

Unfortunately you simpletons can't get out of your microscopic mindframe - 
let alone be grown men enough to laugh about yourselves. Wanna a candy?

Riccardo 

On Feb 22, 9:35=A0am, "Riccardo Rubini" <rub...@despammed.com> wrote:
> You don't get it. That sums it all. I find obsessive, picky hardcore
> collectors a little bit itchy and laughable per se, hence most of the pos=
t
> was actually meant to be a joke ala George Carlin.

Oh no, he used the "it was only a joke" excuse. Do you think no-one's
heard that one before? And you are aware that "jokes" have, um, funny
bits in them?

> Unfortunately, dimwits
> like you and Mark McDougall had to project their own mediocrity in my wor=
ds,
> finding jealousy, anger and other sentiments that do not belong to my
> persona, expecially in regards of collectors.

Yes, us "dimwits" should have recognised that "anger doesn't belong in
your persona".
"project their own mediocrity in my words" doesn't mean anything
either. This is pretty empty bluster.

> > So is collecting C=3D hardware "OK" then, as you can emulate instead?
>
> You should be grown up enough to make up your mind on your own. You are
> asking the wrong guy to be your father figure.

Look, we can all see straight away that you don't want to answer that
as it puts your whole theory about collectors in the bowl and pulls
the chain. Another absolutely pathetic "debating 101" technique.
Just answer it and put me in my place: Is collecting hardware OK where
collecting software isn't?

daniel.otoole@ucd.ie wrote:

> Just answer it and put me in my place: Is collecting hardware OK where
> collecting software isn't?

sorry to jump into the discussion but... you make it sound like people who
buy old floppies on ebay dont collect hardware (and only that). if it'd be 
about the software, they could simply copy it and spare their money for
something else.

-- 

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http://www.pokefinder.org        http://ftp.pokefinder.org

A fanatic is a man who does what he thinks the Lord would do if He knew the
facts of the case. 
<Finley Peter Dunne>

On Feb 22, 9:51=A0am, "Riccardo Rubini" <rub...@despammed.com> wrote:
> As I already said to little Daniel, the whole post was actually
> meant to be a vicious joke about the bad habits of hardcore collectors.

It was probably meant to be lots of things, but funny, informative, or
even vicious weren't part of what you typed.

> Unfortunately you simpletons can't get out of your microscopic mindframe =
-
> let alone be grown men enough to laugh about yourselves.

I'd rather laugh at you actually, thanks.

On Feb 22, 11:09=A0am, Groepaz <groe...@gmx.net> wrote:
> sorry to jump into the discussion but... you make it sound like people wh=
o
> buy old floppies on ebay dont collect hardware (and only that). if it'd b=
e
> about the software, they could simply copy it and spare their money for
> something else.

It's reductio ad absurdum groepaz. Riccardo has some problem with
people buying old disks as you can just get a .d64, but he can't and
won't answer whether hardware collecting is "OK" since we have
emulators for everything.
I have no problem, and indeed quite like, collecting both hardware and
software.

Riccardo Rubini wrote:

> Do greed, leisure and egoism affect others? Guess so, 
> son.

You let others' egoism affect you? That's pretty sad...

> As I already said to little Daniel, the whole post was actually 
> meant to be a vicious joke about the bad habits of hardcore collectors.

Well, even if that is true (which, like Daniel, I sincerely doubt) you 
should just give up trying to make jokes, because you're pretty darn sh*t at 
it. Here's a hint, others are supposed to find humor in it.

> Unfortunately you simpletons can't get out of your microscopic mindframe - 
> let alone be grown men enough to laugh about yourselves. Wanna a candy?

Hmmm... personal attacks because we didn't get your "joke"!?! Nice. Or was 
it really because we caught you and your hypocrisies out?

P.S. I'm not your son. But thanks for the offer.

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"

"Mark McDougall" <msmcdoug@no.spam.iinet> wrote in message 
news:49a1455b$0$19165$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Riccardo Rubini wrote:
>
>> Do greed, leisure and egoism affect others? Guess so, son.
>
> You let others' egoism affect you? That's pretty sad...

Definitely. Egoism is behind collectionism, and if you're competing to win 
something, a guy with a bigger ego, greed and leisure - and bigger pocket 
obviously - is probably going to get what you want. See how egoism does 
affect you and me? I never heard of people collecting stuff by letting it 
go. Sounds quite an oxymoron, doesn't it?

>> As I already said to little Daniel, the whole post was actually meant to 
>> be a vicious joke about the bad habits of hardcore collectors.
>
> Well, even if that is true (which, like Daniel, I sincerely doubt) you 
> should just give up trying to make jokes, because you're pretty darn sh*t 
> at it. Here's a hint, others are supposed to find humor in it.

The fact you don't doesn't mean others don't as well. It's not my fault if 
you all you can get is five years old jokes. It's not my fault if we have a 
different humour. It's your fault you believe all the people are alike, 
which, thank God for that, it's not the case.

>> Unfortunately you simpletons can't get out of your microscopic 
>> mindframe - let alone be grown men enough to laugh about yourselves. 
>> Wanna a candy?
>
> Hmmm... personal attacks because we didn't get your "joke"!?! Nice. Or was 
> it really because we caught you and your hypocrisies out?

Nope, these "personal attacks" came because you accused me of jealousy quite 
out of the blue - I didn't start it, little Mark. You felt compelled to 
reply to my  original post maybe because you're one of those fat sod who 
lives for the sole purpose of collecting crap and hence you felt offended by 
my mean and nasty words? Seems quite reasonable.

> P.S. I'm not your son. But thanks for the offer.

That was definitely not an offer, son. In such circumstances, I am pro 
abortion.

Riccardo

<daniel.otoole@ucd.ie> wrote in message 
news:5dea099b-66b6-4464-bbe3-2e96a7b99053@l1g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

> It was probably meant to be lots of things, but funny, informative, or
> even vicious weren't part of what you typed.

This is your opinion. I still do find it pretty funny, expecially if I 
imagine you playing the main role of the jerk who collects snotty floppy 
disks measuring each label's size with a ruler...

>> Unfortunately you simpletons can't get out of your microscopic 
>> mindframe -
>> let alone be grown men enough to laugh about yourselves.
>
> I'd rather laugh at you actually, thanks.

I thought you said I wasn't funny. Have you made up your mind yet? The fact 
you supposedly are able to laugh at others but not about your own habits and 
problems just shows what an arrogant loser you are.

Get a life, simpleton.

Riccardo 

<daniel.otoole@ucd.ie> wrote in message 
news:0357dbc2-30d3-49f5-a951-3d75821dd4b2@e18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...

> Oh no, he used the "it was only a joke" excuse. Do you think no-one's 
> heard that one before?

So what? I feel no urge to be original when I am telling the truth.

>And you are aware that "jokes" have, um, funny bits in them?

Certainly. Are you aware there are also people who made it to third-grade, 
tool ?

> Yes, us "dimwits" should have recognised that "anger doesn't belong in 
> your persona".
> "project their own mediocrity in my words" doesn't mean anything either. 
> This is pretty empty bluster.

If you have a reading problem I can help you with that, but not for free. 
Otherwise call a friend and ask him to make a sketch for you. It's 
unimaginable what you can do with a pack of crayons, you know that? Sky is 
the limit.

> Look, we can all see straight away that you don't want to answer that as 
> it puts your whole theory about collectors in the bowl and pulls the 
> chain. >Another absolutely pathetic "debating 101" technique.

I don't have a theory about collectors. It would be ludicrous to have a 
theory on such an empirical and random subject. I believe there are many 
losers in that group, though and, guess what, I do believe you're one of 
those losers.

> Just answer it and put me in my place: Is collecting hardware OK where 
> collecting software isn't?

I will never manage to put you in your place: they don't make bowls that 
wide. Both things are okay, of course, dimwit. It's the excess and the 
exaggeration that could make them both laughable or not. And what is an 
exaggeration is, of course, pretty much subjective, and varies from person 
to person...Something that people with a very limited IQ, just like yours, 
truly do not get...

Riccardo 

>Riccardo Rubini
>This is your opinion. I still do find it pretty funny, expecially if I
>imagine you playing the main role of the jerk who collects snotty floppy
>disks measuring each label's size with a ruler...

So it's funny to you when you imagine I'm a pernickity vintage games
collector? Sorry, but that isn't a particularly wide audience you've
garnered for your brand of humour there.

>I thought you said I wasn't funny.

No, I said your jokes aren't funny. Do you even know the difference?

>Have you made up your mind yet? The fact
>you supposedly are able to laugh at others but not about your own habits and
>problems just shows what an arrogant loser you are.

And now you're back to saying I'm laughing AT you. The fact that I am
laughing at you and not at myself is perfectly logical here.

>Get a life, simpleton.

Says some random poster on usenet? What's next, calling me a nerd?

>So what? I feel no urge to be original when I am telling the truth.

You can't even understand simple English, nevermind write a joke. I
said we've seen attempts to portray aggressive BS as jokes before when
the logic's been annihilated, not that we've heard your "joke" before.
Again, you probably don't know the difference so pointing this out to
you is a waste of time.

>Certainly. Are you aware there are also people who made it to third-grade,
<tool ?

Actually, I never made it to third grade, but then again neither did
Newton, Darwin or Einstein as none of us have "third grade" in our
countries.

>If you have a reading problem I can help you with that, but not for free.
>Otherwise call a friend and ask him to make a sketch for you. It's
>unimaginable what you can do with a pack of crayons, you know that? Sky is
>the limit.

Who would've guessed you'd talk BS instead of attempting to explain
what that random string of unrelated words meant. Answer: everybody.
Go on then, you wrote it: tell us what "project their own mediocrity
in my words" means. YOU WON'T. YOU'LL TALK SH1T INSTEAD. And we'll
keep laughing *at* you it's so obvious.

>I don't have a theory about collectors.

No theory about collectors...

>It would be ludicrous to have a
>theory on such an empirical and random subject. I believe there are many
>losers in that group

A theory about collectors... nice...

>, though and, guess what, I do believe you're one of
>those losers.

Well I suppose you can "believe" it, as since you have no evidence you
can't know it.

>I will never manage to put you in your place: they don't make bowls that
>wide. Both things are okay, of course, dimwit. It's the excess and the
>exaggeration that could make them both laughable or not. And what is an
>exaggeration is, of course, pretty much subjective, and varies from person
>to person...Something that people with a very limited IQ, just like yours,
>truly do not get...

Translation from gibberese: I WON'T AND CAN'T ANSWER.

Sorry, while I find your invective slightly addictive, you're really
so bad at this (blatant question dodging, self-contradictions over the
space of a few words, jokes a drunk 12 year old wouldn't laugh at)
that you're just not very entertaining.
Bye.

Riccardo Rubini wrote:

> Sounds quite an oxymoron, doesn't it?

Like much of the incoherent drivel you post here...

> Nope, these "personal attacks" came because you accused me of jealousy quite 
> out of the blue - I didn't start it, little Mark. You felt compelled to 
> reply to my  original post maybe because you're one of those fat sod who 
> lives for the sole purpose of collecting crap and hence you felt offended by 
> my mean and nasty words? Seems quite reasonable.

ROTFL! Yeah, you got me - down to a 'T'! (hint: that's sarcasm, dad!) It's 
amusing (yes, I'm laughing at you) that my one little word has triggered 
such a hostile response! I would've thought that someone who _isn't_ jealous 
would perhaps smile to themselves and politely point out that the post was 
meant as a joke. However, your tirade once again confirms my original 
suspicion...

Anyway, like most trolls, your foot-in-mouth started out mildly amusing, but 
you're starting to bore me now. I think I'll put this thread to rest, as I'm 
sure others are tiring of the flame-throwing. No doubt you'll want the last 
word, so I'll say goodbye now and hand it over to you...

....please don't make me cry with your rapier wit, dad! :(

Apologies to everyone else on this list.
Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"

"Mark McDougall" <msmcdoug@no.spam.iinet> wrote in message 
news:49a1c2b9$0$19181$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Riccardo Rubini wrote:
>
>> Sounds quite an oxymoron, doesn't it?
>
> Like much of the incoherent drivel you post here...

It seems like you have no clue what an oxymoron is. Nevermind, I gave that 
for granted, although you should be familiar with that sound, since you are 
yourself one special kind of oxymoron - you know, the one that starts 
without the "oxy" ;-)

>> Nope, these "personal attacks" came because you accused me of jealousy 
>> quite out of the blue - I didn't start it, little Mark. You felt 
>> compelled to reply to my  original post maybe because you're one of those 
>> fat sod who lives for the sole purpose of collecting crap and hence you 
>> felt offended by my mean and nasty words? Seems quite reasonable.
>
> ROTFL! Yeah, you got me - down to a 'T'! (hint: that's sarcasm, dad!) It's 
> amusing (yes, I'm laughing at you) that my one little word has triggered 
> such a hostile response!

My response was hostile? Geez, if you call that hostile, what you'd call a 
curse? A weapon of mass destruction? I don't know why you love so much to 
play the sissy part, but you know what, I find your hysteria quite funny. 
Also, the "T" joke...Nice! Now, if you also come with a red nose and can do 
a capriole, you'd make a perfect jester for a child's birthday. Is that what 
you do for a living, huh?

> I would've thought that someone who _isn't_ jealous would perhaps smile to 
> themselves and politely point out that the post was meant as a joke. 
> However, your tirade once again confirms my original suspicion...

Oh yeah! Your famous suspicion: me being jealous. But in order to be 
jealous, I have to be jealous of someone over something - and whom am I 
supposed to be jealous of and over what?- Pity, you don't say. Unfortunately 
the lack of those two elements makes your suspicion awfully biased. Now, if 
Sherlock Holmes were born a retard, he could have been proud of you, but the 
story goes a little bit different, you know... ;-))

> Anyway, like most trolls, your foot-in-mouth started out mildly amusing, 
> but you're starting to bore me now.

Speaking of feet, how does it feel to shoot yourslef in your own foot over 
and over again? Sorry, but I always wondered that, and now that I have found 
a professional in you, well, I feel the urge to ask.

> I think I'll put this thread to rest, as I'm sure others are tiring of the 
> flame-throwing. No doubt you'll want the last word, so I'll say goodbye 
> now and hand it over to you...

Aw, another loser heading to the showers, whining and bitching and moaning 
down the corridor. You were doing such a good job making an ass out of 
yourself, coming up with your moronic j'accuse, why quit  so early? Are you 
out of verbal diarrhea already?

> ...please don't make me cry with your rapier wit, dad! :(

You definitely had one troubled and messed up childhood, dude...

Riccardo

Simpleton (O') Tool:

<daniel.otoole@ucd.ie> wrote in message 
news:afac8ddc-2322-4cb4-9c96-1a83cf861b23@r4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

> So it's funny to you when you imagine I'm a pernickity vintage games
> collector?

Definitely!

> Sorry, but that isn't a particularly wide audience you've garnered for 
> your brand of humour there.

Who said I was looking for a wide audience? "Few, but good" has always been 
my motto. Big audiences smell too much of pop corn and cheap soda. And when 
there's an over abudance of pop-corn and gaseous beverages, you know what's 
next? Farts, man. Farts...Hence the big question: is that a coincidence you 
came along?

>>I thought you said I wasn't funny.
>
> No, I said your jokes aren't funny. Do you even know the difference?

Oh, so you are actually saying I am funny but my jokes aren't. Well, I am 
half way done, then: indeed I never met anyone who gives good jokes while 
being unfunny. Seems like I stand a chance of being a good comedian in the 
future.

>>Have you made up your mind yet? The fact
>>you supposedly are able to laugh at others but not about your own habits 
>>and
>>problems just shows what an arrogant loser you are.
>
> And now you're back to saying I'm laughing AT you. The fact that I am
> laughing at you and not at myself is perfectly logical here.

Oh yeah, your famous infallible logic, the same logic you pulled out of your 
ass replying in the first place pretending not to be hurt by my words. You 
don't seem to me like laughing, you actually seem bitter to me, like a 
little whiny child.

I don't know why you had to make a personal case out of my original post 
clamping fun at dumb, fat collectors, unless it touched a sensitive 
nerve...Come on, maybe I exaggerated a bit about your kind and maybe you're 
not fat, it's that you just got big bones.

>>Get a life, simpleton.
>
> Says some random poster on usenet? What's next, calling me a nerd?

Calling you a nerd ? I was thinking of  "sorry fuck who is losing an 
argument with a random poster on usenet and got itchy because of it" but 
nerd? No, I guess butthead came to my mind first, actually.

>>So what? I feel no urge to be original when I am telling the truth.
>
> You can't even understand simple English, nevermind write a joke. I
> said we've seen attempts to portray aggressive BS as jokes before when
> the logic's been annihilated, not that we've heard your "joke" before.
> Again, you probably don't know the difference so pointing this out to
> you is a waste of time.

What a sad fuck... There's nothing actually I can do about it, you will keep 
pretending my post was an aggressive, violent rant against something or 
someone...A shrink would say that's because you are projecting your sick, 
sad persona into it, here we have what is called a "projection bias".

>>Certainly. Are you aware there are also people who made it to third-grade,
> <tool ?
>
> Actually, I never made it to third grade, but then again neither did
> Newton, Darwin or Einstein as none of us have "third grade" in our
> countries.

Oh, no "third grade", huh? You should have found this one on your famous 
"debating 101" book you mentioned before. Unfortunately, you got perfectly 
what I meant:: your very low IQ and prepubertal mentality is not, thank God, 
a widely distributed condition among grown up people. There are just a few 
like you and we use to call you "people challenged by a developmental 
disability" ;-)

>>If you have a reading problem I can help you with that, but not for free.
>>Otherwise call a friend and ask him to make a sketch for you. It's
>>unimaginable what you can do with a pack of crayons, you know that? Sky is
>>the limit.
>
> Who would've guessed you'd talk BS instead of attempting to explain
> what that random string of unrelated words meant. Answer: everybody.
> Go on then, you wrote it: tell us what "project their own mediocrity
> in my words" means. YOU WON'T. YOU'LL TALK SH1T INSTEAD. And we'll
> keep laughing *at* you it's so obvious.

What is obvious here is you're losing your temper, Danny boy...

5-5-5-CALL-A-SHRINK. Say "projection bias" to the doc, he'll tell you you're 
not alone and you are worthy of love and care. Maybe you'll find the root of 
your frustrations and also the root of your C64 floppy disk fetish as well.

Anyway, to better understand ""project their own mediocrity in my words" 
check this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

This is the last time I am doing your homeworks, though. Ok?

>>I don't have a theory about collectors.
>
> No theory about collectors...

That's right.

>>It would be ludicrous to have a
>>theory on such an empirical and random subject. I believe there are many
>>losers in that group
>
> A theory about collectors... nice...

 No! That is called a *belief*. A theory is a "unifying principle that 
explains a body of facts and the laws based on them". A belief is not 
scientifical, it is not immediately susceptible to rigorous 
proof...Basically, it is an act of faith. Check your English dictionary next 
time. See what happens when you miss third grade, Danny?

>>, though and, guess what, I do believe you're one of
>>those losers.
>
> Well I suppose you can "believe" it, as since you have no evidence you
> can't know it.

I don't need proof, I have faith in my sixth sense! :-) See, that's the 
beauty of simple beliefs vs rgourous theories.

>>I will never manage to put you in your place: they don't make bowls that
>>wide. Both things are okay, of course, dimwit. It's the excess and the
>>exaggeration that could make them both laughable or not. And what is an
>>exaggeration is, of course, pretty much subjective, and varies from person
>>to person...Something that people with a very limited IQ, just like yours,
>>truly do not get...
>
> Translation from gibberese: I WON'T AND CAN'T ANSWER.

Wrong! I can and I did answer, and I will cut/copy here again for your 
pleasure:

---------------------------

> Just answer it and put me in my place: Is collecting hardware OK where
> collecting software isn't?

I will never manage to put you in your place: they don't make bowls that
wide. Both things are okay, of course, dimwit. It's the excess and the
exaggeration that could make them both laughable or not. And what is an
exaggeration is, of course, pretty much subjective, and varies from person
to person...Something that people with a very limited IQ, just like yours,
truly do not get...

-------------------------

So I will repeat myself, since you have a reading dysfunciton, it seems, and 
you are so adamant about my opinion on the subject of collecting software 
and hardware.

Collecting hardware, software and dog turds are all OK to me. People can do 
whatever they please, as much as I can do whatever pleases me like, for 
example, laughing at the picky collector of dog shit measuring each a turd 
with a ruler. Why would I laugh at such actions? It's just shit, for God's 
sake. But, hey, to each his own.

The same applies - in my very own opinion - to collecting old floppy 
disks...It's the data itself that is valuable, not the fucking label! And 
the data can be provided in any shape or form, but that's "the shit". Do you 
want to deprive me of the freedom of laughing at those dimwits who pay 
outrageously high amounts of money just to have the right label? Like, the 
data itself is less of an asset than a stupid label?

If having the right label sounds so important to you, fine, but don't 
pretend it's important to me...To me, it's just bloody ridicoulous and I can 
and will joke about it whenever I feel the desire to.

Regarding hardware, there can be a lot of laughable exaggeration as well, of 
course. Whatever is taken with a grain of salt, it's okay. The problem is: 
"the grain of salt" is subjective matter and what is normal for a group of 
people is fucked up for another group of people.

> Sorry, while I find your invective slightly addictive, you're really
> so bad at this (blatant question dodging, self-contradictions over the
> space of a few words, jokes a drunk 12 year old wouldn't laugh at)
> that you're just not very entertaining.
> Bye.

Since you seem to know a little bit of latin, as you were parading it to 
groepaz ( btw, translate this: mentula mea tam longa est, quam Cicero 
orationem supra scripsit ), you might also have heard about Aesop and his 
fable, "The Fox and the Grapes". Sour grapes, indeed.

Riccardo

> > Just answer it and put me in my place: Is collecting hardware OK where
> > collecting software isn't?


Geez you people dont get it, this post was to inform the buyer,
whether or not you
are a casual retro-gamer, or collector WHO CARES !   That was not the
point of this
post.


> > The same applies - in my very own opinion - to collecting old floppy
> > disks...It's the data itself that is valuable, not the fucking label! And
> > the data can be provided in any shape or form,

I totally disagree to this stupid statement, If one was trying to save
their
own collection using MNIB, and make image files, and thought that they
purchased original factory made software, and found out that they got
took, then I hope they read this and have information needed to be a
little
more informed as to who not to purchase disks from. I guess we should
be happy that Pete Rittwage started the preservation project years ago
to save the valuable data itself. With copy protection intact, As Pete
has
mentioned many a time, nobody knows what a crack or patch may have
done to a original protected program. Look at Karateka with its multi-
levels
of protection, I think the crack had to be re-written about three
times to get
past all the code tamper checking routines. I wonder if the guy is
using
Parameter copied software, or is he using MNIB to re-write the
originals
back to his bogus copies.

Some people dont mind hacked commodore software, but I still prefer a
factory made original, or a exact duplicated copy with protection
intact,
Most hacked software has the fastloaders removed and who knows what
else is missing.

-BBP

"bluebirdpod" <bluebirdpod@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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>> > The same applies - in my very own opinion - to collecting old floppy
>> > disks...It's the data itself that is valuable, not the fucking label! 
>> > And
>> > the data can be provided in any shape or form,
>
> I totally disagree to this stupid statement,
[snip - verbal diarrhea removed]

What is stupid, exactly, the fact data is the only thing that matters when 
speaking of software? So are you saying data is not important, Einstein? Are 
you saying the media itself is more important than the data contained on it? 
Now, THIS is a stupid statement. The media is nothing but a vehicle to 
deliver informations. D64, G64, floppy disk or whatever, if the data is 
fully accessible, that's all it truly matters. Unless you are into 
collecting stickers first, using software later...

> Some people dont mind hacked commodore software, but I still prefer a
> factory made original, or a exact duplicated copy with protection
> intact,

This is your own preference, that someone else might find ludicrous or 
useless. Personally, I prefer hacked programs, expecially when many 
protections are known to cause alignment problems on older drives, and/or 
hardware malfunctions. If the program works as it should - and there are 
many examples of good cracks - that's all it matters to me.

> Most hacked software has the fastloaders removed and who knows what
> else is missing.

Nothing a sane, healthy man would loose his sleep about.

Riccardo 

Riccardo Rubini wrote:

(some crap)

People, before this goes too much further, a few notes about our "friend" 
Rubini...

I took the time to peruse a few newsgroup archives to learn more about what 
makes Mr Rubini tick. Alas, it seems his abusive rants aren't limited to 
comp.sys.cbm. He's quite well known for flame-throwing in other newsgroups 
concerning OS/2, for example. And you'll be happy to know that we're not the 
only ones who are of the opinion that he has some serious mental issues.

It's pointless trying to engage Mr Rubini in any sort of discussion or 
debate. His trademark seems to be a rapid descension into hostility and 
abuse whenever he can't get his point across or someone doesn't agree. 
Google for examples. His favourite retorts include "moron" and "simpleton", 
which I've taken the liberty of translating below:

moron: someone who doesn't agree with me
simpleton: someone who doesn't follow my irrational, nonsensical argument 
(or get my irrational, nonsensical "joke")

What's that saying - violence is the last recourse of the incompetent? Well, 
hidden behind the anonymity of the internet (and a few thousand miles away) 
our very brave Mr Rubini has no option but to hurl insults rather than punches.

He also has a rather disturbing habit of imagining his detractors as "son", 
"little boy" and "5-year old". Quite frankly, this bothers me and it sickens 
me to think what may lay just a few cylinders away from my postings on his 
hard drive.

It's clear that his single-mindedness cannot be swayed. He clings to his 
beliefs (his conspiracy theory about the downfall of his beloved OS/2 is a 
particularly amusing read) and steadfastly refuses to acknowledge that 
anyone else could possibly be right, let-alone know more than he does.

IOW, you're wasting your breath.

And for a prime example of his behaviour, just read his follow-up to this!

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"

"Mark McDougall" <msmcdoug@no.spam.iinet> wrote in message 
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> I took the time to peruse a few newsgroup archives to learn more about 
> what makes Mr Rubini tick.

Idiots make me tick. You know, those of your kind. I don't think I am all 
that special in this.

> Alas, it seems his abusive rants aren't limited to comp.sys.cbm. He's 
> quite well known for flame-throwing in other newsgroups concerning OS/2, 
> for example. And you'll be happy to know that we're not the only ones who 
> are of the opinion that he has some serious mental issues.

I am surprised you can write down OS/2 correctly. Actually the last flame I 
took part in an OS/2 newsgroup was against a troll the whole newsgroup had 
been trying to get rid of for years and we ( we were three ) partly 
succeeded. And, guess what I actually managed to nail him down to his home 
address, we did contact his job manager, we had his abusive and remakrs 
known to his manager and so he backed off and returned trolling in another 
group, where he abuses Vietnam veterans still today. This is the kind of 
shmuk pieces of shit I fight on the usenet.

Then there is you. The average loser who wastes his life collecting 
stickers. I want to make clear I am not actually "fighting" against you, 
it's like shooting an ant with a cannonball.. And I don't even know why you 
are still here when you said you wouldn't reply to this thread anymore and 
apologised like a sissy.

> It's pointless trying to engage Mr Rubini in any sort of discussion or 
> debate.

Expecially when you know you can't win an argument, huh? Expecially when you 
don't have a clue. You were doomed to make an ass out of yourself from the 
start, coming out of the closet as the wounded collector of floppy disks, 
and you succeeded to get spanked... Now you're so bitter and hurt by my 
words you waste your lonely afternoons looking up my name on Google, while I 
don't even remember yours if I don't look it up on this thread. It seems 
like you have a lot of time on your hands, fan boy. What's next, you want me 
to sign you a T-Shirt?

> His trademark seems to be a rapid descension into hostility and abuse 
> whenever he can't get his point across or someone doesn't agree.

There is indeed a rapid descension into hostility when people want to shove 
*their* truth as *the* truth. This is a concept you won't grasp, because you 
are clearly one mental challenged and troubled man,

> Google for examples. His favourite retorts include "moron" and 
> "simpleton", which I've taken the liberty of translating below:
>
> moron: someone who doesn't agree with me
> simpleton: someone who doesn't follow my irrational, nonsensical argument 
> (or get my irrational, nonsensical "joke")

You got it all wrong. Let's clear this mess:

Moron = Mark McDougall.
Simpleton = Mark McDougall when he feels smart.

> What's that saying - violence is the last recourse of the incompetent? 
> Well, hidden behind the anonymity of the internet (and a few thousand 
> miles away) our very brave Mr Rubini has no option but to hurl insults 
> rather than punches.

And here we come, the usual Markie McDougall breaking into tears because 
someone on the internet has called him a "simpleton". Can't you just see how 
pathetic you are, Mark?

> He also has a rather disturbing habit of imagining his detractors as 
> "son", "little boy" and "5-year old".  Quite frankly, this bothers me and 
> it sickens me to think what may lay just a few cylinders away from my 
> postings on his hard drive.

It bothers you that I compare your behaviour to a kid who cries "mommy" 
whenever things go wrong? It bothers you that I point out your place is 
Kindergarten, not here?

I don't really know what you are precisely hinting at with your "what may 
lay a few cylinders away from my postings on his hard drive", but it truly 
scares me to think what kind of mentally disturbed individual you are, if 
all you can think of, when joking about childish behaviour, is something 
that probably relates to harming kids. You are one sick individual, and the 
sole idea of going further in any kind of discussion with a bastard like you 
makes me want to puke. I hope those of your dirty kind get jailed and have 
the key thrown away for good.

> It's clear that his single-mindedness cannot be swayed. He clings to his 
> beliefs (his conspiracy theory about the downfall of his beloved OS/2 is a 
> particularly amusing read)

There is not much of a conspiracy between the downfall of OS/2. Everything 
is public nowadays, even the 800$ million deal between Microsoft and IBM to 
stop the operating system competition. It might sound a conspiracy to you, 
because of course you didn't bother to verify a single information of what I 
might have written, but it was published all over the Internet and it's been 
under the sun for years.

> and steadfastly refuses to acknowledge that  anyone else could possibly be 
> right, let-alone know more than he does.

RIght. Indeed, you're still here flaming because you instead are the one who 
ackowledges others to be right and know more than himself, huh?

> And for a prime example of his behaviour, just read his follow-up to this!

Get lost loser. Rather than wasting our time with your pathetic attempts to 
reverse the outcome of your "flaming", get yourself a job, an education and, 
first and foremost, some mental medication.

Riccardo 

>
> > It's pointless trying to engage Mr Rubini in any sort of discussion or
> > debate.
>


I guess I been having too much fun playing with commodore stuff for
over 25 years.
I did not say that the label was more valuable, If you cant figure it
out, you
wont let anyone tell you. (If you know it all then dont ask or have
converstations with
people in here, stop trying to find all the negative points of a
discussion, and bring
some nice ideas, stop trying to overpower a subject) I can only
imagine how it would
be impossible to have a true 1on1 converstation, it would be a 1way
converstation.
I guess if you are going to be good at something, well ya got it.

 A original master from the factory can not be duplicated
correctly using 1541's or the like, a special bulk disk duplicator
that is more
precise at writing disks, along with verify routines is better adapted
to making
copies, as we all know copies of copies of copies eventually degrade
beyond
being able to be read by a 1541 type drive. The main point is this A
factory original
is released to the public as a printed artwork, by the publisher or
artist, A hacked
copy by a hacker/cracker is not the original peice of work, it is
"MODIFIED" if you
like the latter so be it, but The Original "ARTWORK" is what is being
discussed here.

Thank, Pete and the wonderful project to save those "ARTWORKS" the
hacked
copies will live in .D64's forever.

Geez, I wonder how long this rant is going to go. Your Turn
Dickheads . . . . . . . .

> beliefs (his conspiracy theory about the downfall of his beloved OS/2 is a
> particularly amusing read)


Thank god the OH-SHIT Number two operating system is but a memory !
HALLLALULJA !!


> There is indeed a rapid descension into hostility when people want to shove
> *their* truth as *the* truth. This is a concept you won't grasp, because you
> are clearly one mental challenged and troubled man,

Must be one of those idiots that thinks just because someone said it,
it must be
factual and truth, Or the exact opposite, maybe it was, who cares.
Dont
you think it would be easier on all the poor sob's that are reading
this to just
make a simple judgement "to yourself" and move on ?? (Would make a
hell of
a politician) BTW most all are assholes, with their own agenda.

"bluebirdpod" <bluebirdpod@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:28f1b83e-ab9a-4ccf-94d8-c0d98b23c0f2@e18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>> beliefs (his conspiracy theory about the downfall of his beloved OS/2 is 
>> a
>> particularly amusing read)
>
>
> Thank god the OH-SHIT Number two operating system is but a memory !
> HALLLALULJA !!

And is this supposed to offend me? Of course I love OS/2 and have very good 
memories of using the system in the early days and still today. Such 
operating system is far from being dead and is still developed under another 
brand name - sorry if breaking this news might hurt you. Bottom line is I 
don't really need yours or anyone else's approval to like or dislike a 
particular product and your judgement doesn't affect me in any way. So your 
point here is?

>> There is indeed a rapid descension into hostility when people want to 
>> shove
>> *their* truth as *the* truth. This is a concept you won't grasp, because 
>> you
>> are clearly one mental challenged and troubled man,
>
> Must be one of those idiots that thinks just because someone said it,
> it must be
> factual and truth, Or the exact opposite, maybe it was, who cares.

I don't know whom you're talking with here, me or Markie Mark, although you 
are clearly replying to me. Anyway, it's very difficult to understand what 
do you really mean here. Would you mind rephrasing your... a-ehm... theory 
here?

> Dont
> you think it would be easier on all the poor sob's that are reading
> this to just
> make a simple judgement "to yourself" and move on ?? (Would make a
> hell of
> a politician) BTW most all are assholes, with their own agenda.

Move on, huh?  If you keep talking to me, throwing insults at me or even 
accusing me of something, what do you expect me to do? Ignore you? Where 
would be my fun then ? :-))

Riccardo 

> Move on, huh? =A0If you keep talking to me, throwing insults at me or eve=
n
> accusing me of something, what do you expect me to do? Ignore you? Where
> would be my fun then ? :-))
>
> Riccardo


The only thing to say about any of this is, this, at least you are
using your own brain. That is your only strong position in anything I
have read so far. Nobody would be stupid enough to retype or reprint,
or god forbid read-aloud any of your ranted thoughts, and confess to
being said or typed by yourself. YOU WIN., what did you win, again
whocares!

Strange how, one nice little info-post about bogus sw's could be
twisted and hammered out into such a wreck,.
You can have the last word, your one of those types. so have it. Bye.

I wrote:

"jealousy!"

Riccardo Rubini wrote:

Unfortunately you simpletons can't get out of your microscopic mindframe -
let alone be grown men enough to laugh about yourselves. Wanna a candy?

It's not my fault if you all you can get is five years old jokes.

you're one of those fat sod who
lives for the sole purpose of collecting crap and hence you felt offended by
my mean and nasty words?

since you are yourself one special kind of oxymoron - you know, the one that 
starts without the "oxy

I don't know why you love so much to play the sissy part,

if Sherlock Holmes were born a retard, he could have been proud of you,

Aw, another loser heading to the showers, whining and bitching and moaning
down the corridor. You were doing such a good job making an ass out of
yourself, coming up with your moronic j'accuse, why quit  so early? Are you
out of verbal diarrhea already?

You definitely had one troubled and messed up childhood, dude...

dimwits like you and Mark McDougall

Idiots make me tick. You know, those of your kind.

Then there is you. The average loser who wastes his life collecting
stickers.

You were doomed to make an ass out of yourself from the
start, coming out of the closet as the wounded collector of floppy disks,
and you succeeded to get spanked...

because you
are clearly one mental challenged and troubled man,

Moron = Mark McDougall.
Simpleton = Mark McDougall when he feels smart.

Can't you just see how
pathetic you are, Mark?

It bothers you that I compare your behaviour to a kid who cries "mommy"
whenever things go wrong? It bothers you that I point out your place is
Kindergarten, not here?

but it truly scares me to think what kind of mentally disturbed individual 
you are,

You are one sick individual, and the sole idea of going further in any kind 
of discussion with a bastard like you makes me want to puke

Get lost loser. Rather than wasting our time with your pathetic attempts to
reverse the outcome of your "flaming", get yourself a job, an education and,
first and foremost, some mental medication.

> Where would be my fun then ? :-))

You having "fun" yet?

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"

"Mark McDougall" <msmcdoug@no.spam.iinet> wrote in message 
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>I wrote:
>
> "jealousy!"
>
> Riccardo Rubini wrote:
[snip]

McDougall, there's really no need to post lenghty collages of text from this 
very same thread, copying and pasting pieces of what I wrote you and your 
pal, possibly taken out of context to make it suit better your lame agenda 
of playing the victim. Men looking for compassion and playing the victim 
role are pathetic and usually receive no sympathy - not to mention they 
hardly get laid.

Keep in mind you are not fooling anyone: your remarks were as offensive and 
as provocative as mine allegedly were, and they are all available in Google 
for posterity. So keep on playing the victim, all you have managed with this 
strategy, so far, is to look like an utter loser and make an ass out of 
yourself.

Also, anyone here knows how to use a usenet client and you aren't showing 
off any particular sought after skill copying/pasting text either, since 
anyone and his sister knows how to do that. The same applies to Google. If 
you have some ability that is really valuable, such as making us a toast or 
something, go on, otherwise, please refrain and spare us from these inane 
tactics of yours. You aren't really going anywhere.

>> Where would be my fun then ? :-))
>
> You having "fun" yet?

Certainly not. But if you keep on going, I will, all at your expense, no 
doubt about it. Are you tired yet? Because I can go on forever and get great 
satisfaction. So be smart: simply shut yourself up, take a capriole and 
disappear up your own asshole.

Riccardo 

Riccardo Rubini wrote:

> Certainly not. But if you keep on going, I will, all at your expense, no 
> doubt about it. Are you tired yet? Because I can go on forever and get great 
> satisfaction. So be smart: simply shut yourself up, take a capriole and 
> disappear up your own asshole.

No doubt you can, as can I - words are cheap after all, especially those 
typed on a keyboard behind the anonymity of the net and some thousands of 
miles away. It would, however, be at the detriment of all involved, not the 
least of all the few remaining readers of this newsgroup who haven't put us 
both in their killfiles by now.

And I can assure you that it would certainly not be "at [my] expense". If 
you think that there's _anything_ that you could possibly type, that would 
evoke any sort of response from me other than total bemusement and perhaps a 
fleeting moment of pity, then you're sadly mistaken.

I'm still not quite sure what effect you're striving for - anger? outrage? 
self-doubt? shame? Perhaps even fear??? I can freely admit that I was never 
naive enough to expect (perhaps hope, but not expect) to evoke any similar 
emotive response in you - although given your own admissions, perhaps I 
underestimated myself. Or you.

That aside, something else I freely admit I don't understand...

You post what you later describe as a "vicious joke" aimed, with not 
inconsiderable venom, at a particular stereotype of collector.

I then respond with an inference that such an outburst indicates an 
underlying jealousy on the part of the OP.

You then explain that it was all a joke - one that we obviously didn't 
"get". You claim that you were (in my words) projecting a certain persona in 
order to (presumably) poke fun at above-mentioned collectors.

Surely then, my comment - directed at the outburst - should have been 
attributed to the fictional persona in your post? Didn't it merely validate 
the success of your portrayal? Does an actor take offense when people take a 
dislike to a particularly vile character that they play?

Shouldn't you have politely pointed out the "joke"? Instead you, with your 
superior intellect, took it as a personal "attack" and, with direct 
reference to my supposed limited mental capacity, lit the flame!?!

Am I wrong?

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"

"Mark McDougall" <msmcdoug@no.spam.iinet> wrote in message 
news:49a4bd41$0$19134$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Riccardo Rubini wrote:
>
>> Certainly not. But if you keep on going, I will, all at your expense, no 
>> doubt about it. Are you tired yet? Because I can go on forever and get 
>> great satisfaction. So be smart: simply shut yourself up, take a capriole 
>> and disappear up your own asshole.
>
> No doubt you can, as can I - words are cheap after all, especially those 
> typed on a keyboard behind the anonymity of the net and some thousands of 
> miles away.

If we were standing close to each other it wouldn't be different, at least, 
not on my side. And since you were hinting at me using physical violence, 
gee, that might happen as well, but only as the last resource and as a 
defense. Words are stronger than any punch you can throw at an opponent, and 
I prefer to stick to that - it's more elegant.

> It would, however, be at the detriment of all involved, not the least of 
> all the few remaining readers of this newsgroup who haven't put us both in 
> their killfiles by now.

It seems you're really worried about having people putting you in the 
killfile. Why is that so important to you? Your friends won't, only those 
who don't know you. Do you care about those who don't know about you? Is 
this the reason you became mild and reasonable all of a sudden with this 
post?

> And I can assure you that it would certainly not be "at [my] expense". If 
> you think that there's _anything_ that you could possibly type, that would 
> evoke any sort of response from me other than total bemusement and perhaps 
> a fleeting moment of pity, then you're sadly mistaken.

Oh, never underestimate your opponent, there's more than anything I can 
possibly write. Also if my words, if this "flame throwing" fest, as you 
called it, are not affecting you personally in any way, why are you still 
here replying? So be honest, please.

> I'm still not quite sure what effect you're striving for - anger? outrage? 
> self-doubt? shame? Perhaps even fear??? I can freely admit that I was 
> never naive enough to expect (perhaps hope, but not expect) to evoke any 
> similar emotive response in you - although given your own admissions, 
> perhaps I underestimated myself. Or you.

You were right in first instance, when you thought you could have not evoked 
any emotive response in me, on the likes of anger, outrage, shame, etc. It's 
you the one on low self esteem here, Mark. To me, you are a random guy on 
the Internet who thinks he knows me, but he doesn't.

> You post what you later describe as a "vicious joke" aimed, with not 
> inconsiderable venom, at a particular stereotype of collector.

There was no venom, Mark, this is what you don't understand. And when you 
will finally understand that, you will understand there was no jealousy 
either. There was no venom because it was no personal attack directed at 
anyone specifically. It was just clamping fun on a specific niche of 
collectors, who are, in my opinion, laughable human beings. I find them 
laughable, and many others too, but it might be as well that you don't.

> I then respond with an inference that such an outburst indicates an 
> underlying jealousy on the part of the OP.

I still don't understand why you had to say I am jealous. Whom am I supposed 
to be jealous and what for? Do you really believe I am jealous of the guy 
who spends his money on the grounds of a wrong or right label on a floppy 
disk? Come on, give me a fucking break.

> You then explain that it was all a joke - one that we obviously didn't 
> "get". You claim that you were (in my words) projecting a certain persona 
> in order to (presumably) poke fun at above-mentioned collectors.

I never said such thing. Read again what I wrote.

> Surely then, my comment - directed at the outburst - should have been 
> attributed to the fictional persona in your post? Didn't it merely 
> validate the success of your portrayal? Does an actor take offense when 
> people take a dislike to a particularly vile character that they play?

> Shouldn't you have politely pointed out the "joke"?

I did ( read the whole thread again ). But the smartass I pointed it out 
didn't quite believe it...

> Instead you, with your  superior intellect, took it as a personal "attack" 
> and, with direct reference to my supposed limited mental capacity, lit the 
> flame!?!
>
> Am I wrong?

Read the whole thread again and make up your mind, you don't need my 
judgement on that.

Riccardo

"Clocky" <nicetry@migo.com> wrote in message 
news:01b0e0e4$0$6988$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

> Some people pay thousands for a useless unreleased piece of silicon that 
> doesn't work properly... to each their own ;-)

Thanks for reminding me that, Clocky :-)