Years ago, there were a few attempts, to write a BBs program, to be
run on a PC, that emulated the C= 64 grafix charaters and colors. (and
ftp protocall  aka  Punter  ect. and filenaming routines.)

this was in the days of DOS, and filenames were only 8 charaters,
instead of the "long filenames" C= used. (sidenote--isn't it funny now
that long filenames are the standard...was C= ahead of its time ??  U-
tell-me ;-)

At any rate, does anyone know if any of the early projects ever got
finished ??  or have any copies of some of the beta test P-grams.

I remember trying out one program, probably 15 or 18 years ago or so,
and it "kinda worked", but back then, I was just getting my feet wet,
with DOS, and gave up trying to figgure out how to fix-n-tweak the
program.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any old copies of the early attempts
of a " C="  BBs "emulator"  program for the PC.  It might be an
interesting project to re-kindle..... seeing how I still have a few
386 machines here Im using for door stops.

Rick

"Rick Youngman" <wlbbs@commspeed.net> wrote in message
news:1182906998.288548.307560@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Years ago, there were a few attempts, to write a BBs program, to be
> run on a PC, that emulated the C= 64 grafix charaters and colors. (and
> ftp protocall  aka  Punter  ect. and filenaming routines.)

I don't know about specific early efforts, but I'm sure several PC BBS
programs back in the DOS days let you pick Commodore graphics as an option.
It wouldn't be that complicated, just send the bytes for PETSCII values
instead of ANSI etc.

More recently, Jeff Ledger wrote his "Terminal Vortex" PETSCII BBS in Perl
under Linux [1], and Pete Rittwage wrote the PETSCII playground BBS [2],
also Linux-based.

[1] bbs.petscii.com:6400  (probably down)
[2] http://commodore64.net/petscii.html

-Leif



-- 
Leif Bloomquist
leif(at)schemafactor(dot)com
http://home.ica.net/~leifb/

"Time flies like an arrow, just not towards me."

On 2007-06-27, Rick Youngman <wlbbs@commspeed.net> wrote:
> Years ago, there were a few attempts, to write a BBs program, to be
> run on a PC, that emulated the C= 64 grafix charaters and colors. (and
> ftp protocall  aka  Punter  ect. and filenaming routines.)
>
> this was in the days of DOS, and filenames were only 8 charaters,
> instead of the "long filenames" C= used. (sidenote--isn't it funny now
> that long filenames are the standard...was C= ahead of its time ??  U-
> tell-me ;-)

I'm almost positive they weren't. Unix predates Commodore products by
several years and I'm pretty sure they weren't bound to the silly 8.3
filename structure even in the early days.


-- 
Ian Colquhoun

On Jun 28, 12:48 pm, Ian Colquhoun <i...@nospam.ca> wrote:
> On 2007-06-27, Rick Youngman <w...@commspeed.net> wrote:
>
> > Years ago, there were a few attempts, to write a BBs program, to be
> > run on a PC, that emulated the C= 64 grafix charaters and colors. (and
> > ftp protocall  aka  Punter  ect. and filenaming routines.)
>
> > this was in the days of DOS, and filenames were only 8 charaters,
> > instead of the "long filenames" C= used. (sidenote--isn't it funny now
> > that long filenames are the standard...was C= ahead of its time ??  U-
> > tell-me ;-)
>
> I'm almost positive they weren't. Unix predates Commodore products by
> several years and I'm pretty sure they weren't bound to the silly 8.3
> filename structure even in the early days.
>
> --
> Ian Colquhoun

You could be right... I wasn't using Unix back then. It would be
interesting to know if indeed early Unix systems, had/could use longer
file names than Microsofts DOS... which (I hate to say it) responsible
for the computer revolution)

If Unix did indeed, allow more charaters than 8 for a filename, I
wonder why Billy and the boys only used 8 characters (unless that poor
guy in Seatle, the MS team ripped off, in my opinion,  had written DOS
that way.

Rick Youngman <wlbbs@commspeed.net> writes:

> You could be right... I wasn't using Unix back then. It would be
> interesting to know if indeed early Unix systems, had/could use longer
> file names than Microsofts DOS... which (I hate to say it) responsible
> for the computer revolution)

Well, it seems from Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems) and other
web sites that old Unix systems from 1972 or thereabouts had 14
character filenames. On the other hand, the first edition "Unix
Programmer's Manual November 3, 1971"
(http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/1stEdman.html) says filenames
in the first edition were 8 characters.

> If Unix did indeed, allow more charaters than 8 for a filename, I
> wonder why Billy and the boys only used 8 characters (unless that poor
> guy in Seatle, the MS team ripped off, in my opinion,  had written DOS
> that way.

That 8.3 thing was in CP/M already. I always thought that's where
Gates (or whoever) got the idea. I suppose 8.3 filenames weren't so
bad in the 70's, but the real problem was that Microsoft kept it as
the only choice in the mainstream until 1995 when Windows 95 finally
came out...

"Anssi Saari" wrote ...
>
> Well, it seems from Wikipedia
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems) and other
> web sites that old Unix systems from 1972 or thereabouts had 14
> character filenames. On the other hand, the first edition "Unix
> Programmer's Manual November 3, 1971"
> (http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/1stEdman.html) says filenames
> in the first edition were 8 characters.

My memory could be wrong, but I seem to remember a Unix server allowing 20 
character filenames in the late 1980's.

> That 8.3 thing was in CP/M already. I always thought that's where
> Gates (or whoever) got the idea. I suppose 8.3 filenames weren't so
> bad in the 70's, but the real problem was that Microsoft kept it as
> the only choice in the mainstream until 1995 when Windows 95 finally
> came out...

I wonder if it was Unix or Mac that prompted Microsoft to allow long 
filenames?  Maybe some of the Mac crowd can jump in and remind us how many 
characters Mac allowed in the filename in the early 90's.

Anyway, I was glad to see long filenames in Windows.  It meant that I could 
store Commodore files on my PC's hard drive without making some of the 
filenames shorter.    :-)
-- 
Best regards,

Sam Gillett

Change is inevitable,
except from vending machines! 

Rick Youngman <wlbbs@commspeed.net> wrote in news:1182906998.288548.307560
@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> At any rate, does anyone know if any of the early projects ever got
> finished ??  or have any copies of some of the beta test P-grams.
> 
Dunno, but one of my groupmates (Six) has a project called RetroBBS that 
does multiple nodes telnettable with full Commodore C/G support.  Even has 
Empire.

namgnob