http://www.commodoreusa.net

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                  -----------------------------------------
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On Sep 9, 9:55=A0pm, "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-T...@FVI.Net> wrote:
> http://www.commodoreusa.net
>
> -- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0>>>>> "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-T...@FVI.Net> <<<=
<<
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -------------------------------------=
----
> =A0 =A0"Memoria tene hanc esse Fabulam et omnino per Iocum et per Simulat=
ionem,
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0itaque tibi esse non credere verbum solum sit etiam ve=
rum."
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0[Infantes Aqua=
rum]
>
> :: Take Note Of The Spam Block On My E-Mail Address! ::

All iterations of "Commodore" except the original and the c64dtv, have
been shit cheap rip offs of existing technology, most likely sourced
from asia.

This will now change...

Introducing the prototype of, the SIDVICious6510 -
http://174.120.106.254/~inspired/SIDVICious6510.jpg

It would run a Cortext A8 ARM processor (now around 720Mhz, a newer
model than the Pandora), DSP,  256Mb mobile DDr, 512Mb Flash disk, two
3.5" 480x640 touchscreens, graphics controller supporting STN and TFT
panels with 1400x1050 max resolution, all modern video codecs, PowerVR
SGX GPU for 2D/3D graphics acceleration with OpenGL-ES and OpenVG
support, WiFi, Bluetooth, two microSD slots, touchscreen keypad and
game controls, integrated speaker and mic, high speed powered USB
ports, Lithium-ion battery (approx 10 hours), very low standby and
active power consumption...

We don't have permission from any officially licensed Commodore brand
as yet, and I've yet to hear from Jeri Ellsworth whom I hope will come
on board as lead engineer.

Feedback? :D

Cheers,

Damian
Inspired Digital Entertainment & Technology Studios

On Sep 10, 5:49=A0pm, Slartibartfast <idigi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 9, 9:55=A0pm, "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-T...@FVI.Net> wrote:
>
> >http://www.commodoreusa.net
>
> > -- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0>>>>> "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-T...@FVI.Net> <=
<<<<
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -----------------------------------=
------
> > =A0 =A0"Memoria tene hanc esse Fabulam et omnino per Iocum et per Simul=
ationem,
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0itaque tibi esse non credere verbum solum sit etiam =
verum."
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0[Infantes Aq=
uarum]
>
> > :: Take Note Of The Spam Block On My E-Mail Address! ::
>
> All iterations of "Commodore" except the original and the c64dtv, have
> been shit cheap rip offs of existing technology, most likely sourced
> from asia.
>
> This will now change...
>
> Introducing the prototype of, the SIDVICious6510 -http://174.120.106.254/=
~inspired/SIDVICious6510.jpg
>
> It would run a Cortext A8 ARM processor (now around 720Mhz, a newer
> model than the Pandora), DSP, =A0256Mb mobile DDr, 512Mb Flash disk, two
> 3.5" 480x640 touchscreens, graphics controller supporting STN and TFT
> panels with 1400x1050 max resolution, all modern video codecs, PowerVR
> SGX GPU for 2D/3D graphics acceleration with OpenGL-ES and OpenVG
> support, WiFi, Bluetooth, two microSD slots, touchscreen keypad and
> game controls, integrated speaker and mic, high speed powered USB
> ports, Lithium-ion battery (approx 10 hours), very low standby and
> active power consumption...
>
> We don't have permission from any officially licensed Commodore brand
> as yet, and I've yet to hear from Jeri Ellsworth whom I hope will come
> on board as lead engineer.
>
> Feedback? :D
>
> Cheers,
>
> Damian
> Inspired Digital Entertainment & Technology Studios

Oh I take my comment back about Commodore USA, the new C64 looks
amazing! I've contacted them about the SV6510, lets see if they'd like
to branch into a handheld platform :)

Glenn P., wrote:
> http://www.commodoreusa.net

Old news, but http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Select.aspx

Ouch... 

On Sep 10, 6:30=A0pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> Glenn P., wrote:
> >http://www.commodoreusa.net
>
> Old news, buthttp://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Select.aspx
>
> Ouch...

Well worth it,  the SV6510 would go on sale from just under $500 to
just over $600, these are enthusiast devices with specialist purposes,
you can't expect them to be as cheap as a mass marketed in the
millions c64 from the 80's.

Slartibartfast wrote:
> On Sep 10, 6:30 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
>> Glenn P., wrote:
>>> http://www.commodoreusa.net
>>
>> Old news, buthttp://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Select.aspx
>>
>> Ouch...
>
> Well worth it,  the SV6510 would go on sale from just under $500 to
> just over $600, these are enthusiast devices with specialist purposes,
> you can't expect them to be as cheap as a mass marketed in the
> millions c64 from the 80's.

Sorry, but a Linux PC shoved into a retro looking case just isn`t worth that 
much.

Slartibartfast schrieb:

>I've contacted them about the SV6510, lets see if they'd like
>to branch into a handheld platform :)

I'd like to have a phone with Commodore Basic.

If you switch it on you can use it in less then 2 seconds. And you can
run Commodore Basic programs. :)

On Sep 10, 8:42=A0pm, Rudolf Harras <rudi...@temporaryforwarding.com>
wrote:
> Slartibartfast schrieb:
>
> >I've contacted them about the SV6510, lets see if they'd like
> >to branch into a handheld platform :)
>
> I'd like to have a phone with Commodore Basic.
>
> If you switch it on you can use it in less then 2 seconds. And you can
> run Commodore Basic programs. :)

I already have quite a few ideas for an enhanced c=3Dbasic ;) Also, I'm
retooling the SEUCK as a game dev SDK, it will have vertical and
horizontal levels, multiload, sinus generator, full featured intro
creator with advanced gfx mode pictures for intro art, a physics
engine, and new level modes like plasma, fire, starfield and parallax
stars! :D

Welcome to the future \o/

On Sep 10, 7:51=A0pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> Slartibartfast wrote:
> > On Sep 10, 6:30 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> >> Glenn P., wrote:
> >>>http://www.commodoreusa.net
>
> >> Old news, buthttp://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Select.aspx
>
> >> Ouch...
>
> > Well worth it, =A0the SV6510 would go on sale from just under $500 to
> > just over $600, these are enthusiast devices with specialist purposes,
> > you can't expect them to be as cheap as a mass marketed in the
> > millions c64 from the 80's.
>
> Sorry, but a Linux PC shoved into a retro looking case just isn`t worth t=
hat
> much.

The Pandora is a Linux based handheld, is that not worth it's cost? Re-
evaluate your principles.

Slartibartfast wrote:
> On Sep 10, 7:51 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
>> Slartibartfast wrote:
>>> On Sep 10, 6:30 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
>>>> Glenn P., wrote:
>>>>> http://www.commodoreusa.net
>>
>>>> Old news, buthttp://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Select.aspx
>>
>>>> Ouch...
>>
>>> Well worth it, the SV6510 would go on sale from just under $500 to
>>> just over $600, these are enthusiast devices with specialist
>>> purposes, you can't expect them to be as cheap as a mass marketed
>>> in the millions c64 from the 80's.
>>
>> Sorry, but a Linux PC shoved into a retro looking case just isn`t
>> worth that much.
>
> The Pandora is a Linux based handheld, is that not worth it's cost?

Who knows, it`s not like you can actually buy one. The Pandora isn`t just an 
existing board shoved in a plastic box designed to look like a specific 
retro computer that doesn`t even ship with the ability to emulate what it 
looks like!

Seems laughable at that price.

Slartibartfast wrote:
> On Sep 10, 8:42 pm, Rudolf Harras <rudi...@temporaryforwarding.com>
> wrote:
>> Slartibartfast schrieb:
>>
>>> I've contacted them about the SV6510, lets see if they'd like
>>> to branch into a handheld platform :)
>>
>> I'd like to have a phone with Commodore Basic.
>>
>> If you switch it on you can use it in less then 2 seconds. And you
>> can run Commodore Basic programs. :)
>
> I already have quite a few ideas for an enhanced c=basic ;) Also, I'm
> retooling the SEUCK as a game dev SDK, it will have vertical and
> horizontal levels, multiload, sinus generator, full featured intro
> creator with advanced gfx mode pictures for intro art, a physics
> engine, and new level modes like plasma, fire, starfield and parallax
> stars! :D
>
> Welcome to the future \o/

You must be Harry Potter! 

On Sep 11, 1:21=A0am, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> Slartibartfast wrote:
> > On Sep 10, 8:42 pm, Rudolf Harras <rudi...@temporaryforwarding.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Slartibartfast schrieb:
>
> >>> I've contacted them about the SV6510, lets see if they'd like
> >>> to branch into a handheld platform :)
>
> >> I'd like to have a phone with Commodore Basic.
>
> >> If you switch it on you can use it in less then 2 seconds. And you
> >> can run Commodore Basic programs. :)
>
> > I already have quite a few ideas for an enhanced c=3Dbasic ;) Also, I'm
> > retooling the SEUCK as a game dev SDK, it will have vertical and
> > horizontal levels, multiload, sinus generator, full featured intro
> > creator with advanced gfx mode pictures for intro art, a physics
> > engine, and new level modes like plasma, fire, starfield and parallax
> > stars! :D
>
> > Welcome to the future \o/
>
> You must be Harry Potter!

You must be a bloody idiot, Oh that's right, you are! Well done!

On Sep 11, 3:47=A0am, Slartibartfast <idigi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 1:21=A0am, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Slartibartfast wrote:
> > > On Sep 10, 8:42 pm, Rudolf Harras <rudi...@temporaryforwarding.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Slartibartfast schrieb:
>
> > >>> I've contacted them about the SV6510, lets see if they'd like
> > >>> to branch into a handheld platform :)
>
> > >> I'd like to have a phone with Commodore Basic.
>
> > >> If you switch it on you can use it in less then 2 seconds. And you
> > >> can run Commodore Basic programs. :)
>
> > > I already have quite a few ideas for an enhanced c=3Dbasic ;) Also, I=
'm
> > > retooling the SEUCK as a game dev SDK, it will have vertical and
> > > horizontal levels, multiload, sinus generator, full featured intro
> > > creator with advanced gfx mode pictures for intro art, a physics
> > > engine, and new level modes like plasma, fire, starfield and parallax
> > > stars! :D
>
> > > Welcome to the future \o/
>
> > You must be Harry Potter!
>
> You must be a bloody idiot, Oh that's right, you are! Well done!

I'm proposing a real solid and well thought out evolution of the c64
into a multimedia handheld, and all you can do is act like a complete
fool without a comment on it. Same old Clocky.

Clocky wrote:
> Slartibartfast wrote:
>> On Sep 10, 6:30 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
>>> Glenn P., wrote:
>>>> http://www.commodoreusa.net
>>>
>>> Old news, buthttp://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Select.aspx
>>>
>>> Ouch...
>>
>> Well worth it,  the SV6510 would go on sale from just under $500 to
>> just over $600, these are enthusiast devices with specialist
>> purposes, you can't expect them to be as cheap as a mass marketed in
>> the millions c64 from the 80's.
>
> Sorry, but a Linux PC shoved into a retro looking case just isn`t
> worth that much.

I think I going to use one of my dead C64 cases and stick some 
http://www.raspberrypi.org/ in it.   $25 for the computer, and a free C64 
case,  the only thing I have to do is get the keyboard to work with USB, 
but I have a few ideas how to do that.... 

On Sep 11, 3:49=A0am, Slartibartfast <idigi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 3:47=A0am, Slartibartfast <idigi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 11, 1:21=A0am, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
>
> > > Slartibartfast wrote:
> > > > On Sep 10, 8:42 pm, Rudolf Harras <rudi...@temporaryforwarding.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> Slartibartfast schrieb:
>
> > > >>> I've contacted them about the SV6510, lets see if they'd like
> > > >>> to branch into a handheld platform :)
>
> > > >> I'd like to have a phone with Commodore Basic.
>
> > > >> If you switch it on you can use it in less then 2 seconds. And you
> > > >> can run Commodore Basic programs. :)
>
> > > > I already have quite a few ideas for an enhanced c=3Dbasic ;) Also,=
 I'm
> > > > retooling the SEUCK as a game dev SDK, it will have vertical and
> > > > horizontal levels, multiload, sinus generator, full featured intro
> > > > creator with advanced gfx mode pictures for intro art, a physics
> > > > engine, and new level modes like plasma, fire, starfield and parall=
ax
> > > > stars! :D
>
> > > > Welcome to the future \o/
>
> > > You must be Harry Potter!
>
> > You must be a bloody idiot, Oh that's right, you are! Well done!
>
> I'm proposing a real solid and well thought out evolution of the c64
> into a multimedia handheld, and all you can do is act like a complete
> fool without a comment on it. Same old Clocky.

And FYI, anyone in their right mind can build their very own
multimedia handheld like the Pandora, just like anyone can whack h/w
in a case and stick Linux on it. What's the difference?

Listen to the interview with the Commodore USA Chief Technology
Officer on their website, you'll find that they have the same dreams
as the rest of the Commodore enthusiasts of the world. Except yourself
perhaps.

On Sep 11, 3:51=A0am, "Quantum Leaper" <lea...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Clocky wrote:
> > Slartibartfast wrote:
> >> On Sep 10, 6:30 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> >>> Glenn P., wrote:
> >>>>http://www.commodoreusa.net
>
> >>> Old news, buthttp://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Select.aspx
>
> >>> Ouch...
>
> >> Well worth it, =A0the SV6510 would go on sale from just under $500 to
> >> just over $600, these are enthusiast devices with specialist
> >> purposes, you can't expect them to be as cheap as a mass marketed in
> >> the millions c64 from the 80's.
>
> > Sorry, but a Linux PC shoved into a retro looking case just isn`t
> > worth that much.
>
> I think I going to use one of my dead C64 cases and stick somehttp://www.=
raspberrypi.org/in it. =A0 $25 for the computer, and a free C64
> case, =A0the only thing I have to do is get the keyboard to work with USB=
,
> but I have a few ideas how to do that....

See that's how it's done. Buy Commodore USA's gadget, or just simply
DIY, your DIY device will still run the upcoming Commodore O/S.
Although I assume some of us don't have the mental capacity to build
our own technology, eh Clocky?

On Sep 11, 3:54=A0am, Slartibartfast <idigi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 3:51=A0am, "Quantum Leaper" <lea...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Clocky wrote:
> > > Slartibartfast wrote:
> > >> On Sep 10, 6:30 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> > >>> Glenn P., wrote:
> > >>>>http://www.commodoreusa.net
>
> > >>> Old news, buthttp://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Select.aspx
>
> > >>> Ouch...
>
> > >> Well worth it, =A0the SV6510 would go on sale from just under $500 t=
o
> > >> just over $600, these are enthusiast devices with specialist
> > >> purposes, you can't expect them to be as cheap as a mass marketed in
> > >> the millions c64 from the 80's.
>
> > > Sorry, but a Linux PC shoved into a retro looking case just isn`t
> > > worth that much.
>
> > I think I going to use one of my dead C64 cases and stick somehttp://ww=
w.raspberrypi.org/init. =A0 $25 for the computer, and a free C64
> > case, =A0the only thing I have to do is get the keyboard to work with U=
SB,
> > but I have a few ideas how to do that....
>
> See that's how it's done. Buy Commodore USA's gadget, or just simply
> DIY, your DIY device will still run the upcoming Commodore O/S.
> Although I assume some of us don't have the mental capacity to build
> our own technology, eh Clocky?

Oh and FYI for the doubters of the community, I already have sourced
the guts of the sv6510, started work on the operating system,
discovered a javascript based applesoft BASIC interpreter that I will
expand upon, as well as a ML monitor/assembler/compiler. The project
will be fully developed within six months, with or without the support
of well anyone at all. I'm doing this for the honour of the commodore
brand and the memory of the c64, just like Commodore USA (if you
listen to their interview).

Anyone who wants to be a doubter should doubt just why they are
doubting something so potentially awesome that could revive the c64
name. What, just because I'm not a hot lesbian? :P

On Sep 11, 3:54=A0am, Slartibartfast <idigi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 3:51=A0am, "Quantum Leaper" <lea...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Clocky wrote:
> > > Slartibartfast wrote:
> > >> On Sep 10, 6:30 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> > >>> Glenn P., wrote:
> > >>>>http://www.commodoreusa.net
>
> > >>> Old news, buthttp://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Select.aspx
>
> > >>> Ouch...
>
> > >> Well worth it, =A0the SV6510 would go on sale from just under $500 t=
o
> > >> just over $600, these are enthusiast devices with specialist
> > >> purposes, you can't expect them to be as cheap as a mass marketed in
> > >> the millions c64 from the 80's.
>
> > > Sorry, but a Linux PC shoved into a retro looking case just isn`t
> > > worth that much.
>
> > I think I going to use one of my dead C64 cases and stick somehttp://ww=
w.raspberrypi.org/init. =A0 $25 for the computer, and a free C64
> > case, =A0the only thing I have to do is get the keyboard to work with U=
SB,
> > but I have a few ideas how to do that....
>
> See that's how it's done. Buy Commodore USA's gadget, or just simply
> DIY, your DIY device will still run the upcoming Commodore O/S.
> Although I assume some of us don't have the mental capacity to build
> our own technology, eh Clocky?

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/3-suggestion-box/8275-proposing-the=
-sv6510-handheld-multimedia-device

Let's take this discussion to the official Commodore forums, because
it seems the creeping idiot vote here is just too high :P

Android has at least three C64 emulators. At least two of those, Frodo and Vice, will let you type and run basic programs. Plus with some effort you'd probably be able to save your programs to d64 diskfile.

We can only dream of fully native C64 mobile phones. ;)

On Sep 11, 5:08=A0am, Rami <rami.saari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Android has at least three C64 emulators. At least two of those, Frodo an=
d Vice, will let you type and run basic programs. Plus with some effort you=
'd probably be able to save your programs to d64 diskfile.
>
> We can only dream of fully native C64 mobile phones. ;)

No need to dream ;)

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/3-suggestion-box/8275-proposing-the=
-sv6510-handheld-multimedia-device#8275

Now I am outta here before these idiots accuse me of spamming their
purist usenet group.

<nitpick>
Well it will not be native unless it executes 6510 instructions directly.=
=20
</nitpick>

So, as lazy as I am, I don't bother to look this any further, but gathering=
 from your posts, the selling point is the DSP chip that will allow good SI=
D emulation?=20

The processor has IMO nothing special. The memory etc. configurations are n=
ormal. Dual touchscreen has been introduced by at least two or three (lapto=
p / tablet) manufacturers. And the OS is good old Linux.=20

It may have market somewhere, but for me the C64 represents a low level ret=
ro gadget. I dig up my C64 to play some old games or to test some program t=
hat I have developed on my Linux desktop computer using either a cross-asse=
mbler or a basic tokenizer.=20

What I would like to have is an *exact* copy of C64 in more compact package=
 with proper power supply and more modern output modes (like s-video, vga e=
tc.). And the price should be low enough to allow all kinds of silly experi=
mentation (user and module ports are a must). 

On 10-Sep-11 at 1:39pm -0700, <rami.saarinen@gmail.com> wrote:

 > What I would like to have is an *exact* copy of C64 in more compact
 > package with proper power supply and more modern output modes (like
 > s-video, vga etc.). And the price should be low enough to allow all
 > kinds of silly experimentation (user and module ports are a must).

I'll say triple-"Amen!" to that!!!   :)

--          >>>>> "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net> <<<<<
                  -----------------------------------------
   "Memoria tene hanc esse Fabulam et omnino per Iocum et per Simulationem,
         itaque tibi esse non credere verbum solum sit etiam verum."
                             [Infantes Aquarum]

:: Take Note Of The Spam Block On My E-Mail Address! ::

On Sep 11, 6:39=A0am, Rami <rami.saari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <nitpick>
> Well it will not be native unless it executes 6510 instructions directly.
> </nitpick>
>
> So, as lazy as I am, I don't bother to look this any further, but gatheri=
ng from your posts, the selling point is the DSP chip that will allow good =
SID emulation?
>
> The processor has IMO nothing special. The memory etc. configurations are=
 normal. Dual touchscreen has been introduced by at least two or three (lap=
top / tablet) manufacturers. And the OS is good old Linux.
>
> It may have market somewhere, but for me the C64 represents a low level r=
etro gadget. I dig up my C64 to play some old games or to test some program=
 that I have developed on my Linux desktop computer using either a cross-as=
sembler or a basic tokenizer.
>
> What I would like to have is an *exact* copy of C64 in more compact packa=
ge with proper power supply and more modern output modes (like s-video, vga=
 etc.). And the price should be low enough to allow all kinds of silly expe=
rimentation (user and module ports are a must).

This will be my last post here, if you want to continue the
conversation, head over to the official commodore forums I linked to
earlier.

The selling point is that it is not only an enthusiast device with
unlimited possibilites (for instance the robotic chassis option), it
is a handheld game device killer, it is an iphone killer, it is a
super enhanced c64, it runs on 6510 onto top of javascript, it has
super enhanced BASIC, I could go on but it's wasted on these people.

No matter what the purists think, a pure real c64 device just could
not be marketed to the masses, and it would need to be to manufacture
the real chips that it would need, most of the manufacturing
technology doesn't even exist anymore. So just get over it and join us
in the future.

I really can't be bothered to move my stuff to other forum. :) I am happy t=
hat you have a vision and product idea and I wish all the best for it.=20

I gather that what drives you is the Commodore brand and perhaps the image =
it has/had. And here we differ. When I hear word Commodore, I think old com=
puters. I think all the fun stuff I had with it as a kid (and later on as a=
n adult). But "in real world" the brand does not mean anything to me anymor=
e. Sure, they made a killer computer in 80's (ok, Amiga too :) ) but now it=
 is dead. I do not wish to buy anything new with "Commodore" stamped on it =
as I do no see the point. If I want new stuff, I compare the prices and get=
 the one with the best price/quality rate.=20

What I love in C64 is its' simplicity and openness (for a developer). As a =
single user and (in a way) single process machine it is easy to understand.=
 I like the extendability. I like the memory map model. In a way I even lik=
e the 8-bitness (even though it can be real pita for pampered developer lik=
e me). I see C64 as one fine and very functional "embedded" development boa=
rd with some extras stuck on it. And I think that every first year CS stude=
nt should start their studies with it. ;)

And yes, it is true that the manufacturing exact copy of 64 would be diffic=
ult and pricey and it really would not have a market, so I guess we just ha=
ve to move on when the last C64 dies. There are plenty of other items of in=
terest out there.=20

On Sep 11, 9:32=A0am, Rami <rami.saari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I really can't be bothered to move my stuff to other forum. :) I am happy=
 that you have a vision and product idea and I wish all the best for it.
>
> I gather that what drives you is the Commodore brand and perhaps the imag=
e it has/had. And here we differ. When I hear word Commodore, I think old c=
omputers. I think all the fun stuff I had with it as a kid (and later on as=
 an adult). But "in real world" the brand does not mean anything to me anym=
ore. Sure, they made a killer computer in 80's (ok, Amiga too :) ) but now =
it is dead. I do not wish to buy anything new with "Commodore" stamped on i=
t as I do no see the point. If I want new stuff, I compare the prices and g=
et the one with the best price/quality rate.
>
> What I love in C64 is its' simplicity and openness (for a developer). As =
a single user and (in a way) single process machine it is easy to understan=
d. I like the extendability. I like the memory map model. In a way I even l=
ike the 8-bitness (even though it can be real pita for pampered developer l=
ike me). I see C64 as one fine and very functional "embedded" development b=
oard with some extras stuck on it. And I think that every first year CS stu=
dent should start their studies with it. ;)
>
> And yes, it is true that the manufacturing exact copy of 64 would be diff=
icult and pricey and it really would not have a market, so I guess we just =
have to move on when the last C64 dies. There are plenty of other items of =
interest out there.

Again, as I've tried to explain, the sv6510 could be coded with pue
6510, enhanched BASIC (backwards compatible *and* compatible with some
other BASIC languages), or Javascript and CSS3. It has all the
external ports you need for extensibility and more. You could even
code desktop apps using BASIC!

I am first and foremost a DEMO CODER. I loved the style and ease of
development on the c64, and I want to bring that back. I've recieved
no response from C=3DUSA yet, and Jeri Ellsworth is not interested,
she'd rather work on her new successful contracting career.

If C=3D are for some reason not interested, I will start my own brand,
most likely C* with the slogan "Only Further.".

I will produce this technology and a tablet and mobile phone based
upon it, with or without the Commodore brand or the nerdified c.s.c
community (it seems few of my old demo scene friends frequent this
group anymore).

I have recieved some good feedback and input from a few scene friends,
and that is all the support that I need. After all, it is they who
would be coding the software for it, not the insular and rather
pointless project nerds found here.

I can understand it may be difficult to realise the potential of this
device, but believe me, it would be 100% C64, just superpowered and
marketed at tech enthusiasts and people who want an alternative to the
usual so/so brands of handheld devices with their shit design and
software.

I believe the sv6510 could carve a solid niche in the IT industry
worldwide, and you are going to be surprised just how fast this will
happen. It's not just marketed at tech savvy nerds like the Pandora
and it's ilk, but it will be more powerful for any IT hobbyist,
without the need to pick up a soldering iron.

That is all I have to say here, anyone else with input please either
email me or move the conversation to the official Commodore forums.

Cheers,

Damian Caynes
Inspired Digital Entertainment & Technology Studios

Slartibartfast wrote:
> On Sep 11, 9:32 am, Rami <rami.saari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I really can't be bothered to move my stuff to other forum. :) I am
>> happy that you have a vision and product idea and I wish all the
>> best for it.
>>
>> I gather that what drives you is the Commodore brand and perhaps the
>> image it has/had. And here we differ. When I hear word Commodore, I
>> think old computers. I think all the fun stuff I had with it as a
>> kid (and later on as an adult). But "in real world" the brand does
>> not mean anything to me anymore. Sure, they made a killer computer
>> in 80's (ok, Amiga too :) ) but now it is dead. I do not wish to buy
>> anything new with "Commodore" stamped on it as I do no see the
>> point. If I want new stuff, I compare the prices and get the one
>> with the best price/quality rate.
>>
>> What I love in C64 is its' simplicity and openness (for a
>> developer). As a single user and (in a way) single process machine
>> it is easy to understand. I like the extendability. I like the
>> memory map model. In a way I even like the 8-bitness (even though it
>> can be real pita for pampered developer like me). I see C64 as one
>> fine and very functional "embedded" development board with some
>> extras stuck on it. And I think that every first year CS student
>> should start their studies with it. ;)
>>
>> And yes, it is true that the manufacturing exact copy of 64 would be
>> difficult and pricey and it really would not have a market, so I
>> guess we just have to move on when the last C64 dies. There are
>> plenty of other items of interest out there.
>
> Again, as I've tried to explain, the sv6510 could be coded with pue
> 6510, enhanched BASIC (backwards compatible *and* compatible with some
> other BASIC languages), or Javascript and CSS3. It has all the
> external ports you need for extensibility and more. You could even
> code desktop apps using BASIC!
>
> I am first and foremost a DEMO CODER. I loved the style and ease of
> development on the c64, and I want to bring that back. I've recieved
> no response from C=USA yet, and Jeri Ellsworth is not interested,
> she'd rather work on her new successful contracting career.
>
> If C= are for some reason not interested, I will start my own brand,
> most likely C* with the slogan "Only Further.".
>
> I will produce this technology and a tablet and mobile phone based
> upon it, with or without the Commodore brand or the nerdified c.s.c
> community (it seems few of my old demo scene friends frequent this
> group anymore).
>
> I have recieved some good feedback and input from a few scene friends,
> and that is all the support that I need. After all, it is they who
> would be coding the software for it, not the insular and rather
> pointless project nerds found here.
>
> I can understand it may be difficult to realise the potential of this
> device, but believe me, it would be 100% C64, just superpowered and
> marketed at tech enthusiasts and people who want an alternative to the
> usual so/so brands of handheld devices with their shit design and
> software.
>
> I believe the sv6510 could carve a solid niche in the IT industry
> worldwide, and you are going to be surprised just how fast this will
> happen. It's not just marketed at tech savvy nerds like the Pandora
> and it's ilk, but it will be more powerful for any IT hobbyist,
> without the need to pick up a soldering iron.
>
> That is all I have to say here, anyone else with input please either
> email me or move the conversation to the official Commodore forums.
>

So it`s a project supposedly aimed at people like me, but marketed by a 
buffoon with zero people skills.

Good luck with that. 

Slartibartfast wrote:
> On Sep 11, 3:49 am, Slartibartfast <idigi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 11, 3:47 am, Slartibartfast <idigi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 11, 1:21 am, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Slartibartfast wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 10, 8:42 pm, Rudolf Harras
>>>>> <rudi...@temporaryforwarding.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Slartibartfast schrieb:
>>
>>>>>>> I've contacted them about the SV6510, lets see if they'd like
>>>>>>> to branch into a handheld platform :)
>>
>>>>>> I'd like to have a phone with Commodore Basic.
>>
>>>>>> If you switch it on you can use it in less then 2 seconds. And
>>>>>> you can run Commodore Basic programs. :)
>>
>>>>> I already have quite a few ideas for an enhanced c=basic ;) Also,
>>>>> I'm retooling the SEUCK as a game dev SDK, it will have vertical
>>>>> and horizontal levels, multiload, sinus generator, full featured
>>>>> intro creator with advanced gfx mode pictures for intro art, a
>>>>> physics engine, and new level modes like plasma, fire, starfield
>>>>> and parallax stars! :D
>>
>>>>> Welcome to the future \o/
>>
>>>> You must be Harry Potter!
>>
>>> You must be a bloody idiot, Oh that's right, you are! Well done!
>>
>> I'm proposing a real solid and well thought out evolution of the c64
>> into a multimedia handheld, and all you can do is act like a complete
>> fool without a comment on it. Same old Clocky.
>
> And FYI, anyone in their right mind can build their very own
> multimedia handheld like the Pandora, just like anyone can whack h/w
> in a case and stick Linux on it. What's the difference?
>
> Listen to the interview with the Commodore USA Chief Technology
> Officer on their website, you'll find that they have the same dreams
> as the rest of the Commodore enthusiasts of the world. Except yourself
> perhaps.

Bill McEwen style marketing hype and vapourware doesn`t inspire me, 
impressive products do.
When your SV6510 thing is ready for sale, do let us know so we can all  be 
impressed.

Good luck with it. 

Slartibartfast wrote:
> On Sep 11, 3:54 am, Slartibartfast <idigi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 11, 3:51 am, "Quantum Leaper" <lea...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>> Slartibartfast wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 10, 6:30 pm, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Glenn P., wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.commodoreusa.net
>>
>>>>>> Old news, buthttp://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Select.aspx
>>
>>>>>> Ouch...
>>
>>>>> Well worth it, the SV6510 would go on sale from just under $500 to
>>>>> just over $600, these are enthusiast devices with specialist
>>>>> purposes, you can't expect them to be as cheap as a mass marketed
>>>>> in the millions c64 from the 80's.
>>
>>>> Sorry, but a Linux PC shoved into a retro looking case just isn`t
>>>> worth that much.
>>
>>> I think I going to use one of my dead C64 cases and stick
>>> somehttp://www.raspberrypi.org/init. $25 for the computer, and a
>>> free C64 case, the only thing I have to do is get the keyboard to
>>> work with USB,
>>> but I have a few ideas how to do that....
>>
>> See that's how it's done. Buy Commodore USA's gadget, or just simply
>> DIY, your DIY device will still run the upcoming Commodore O/S.
>> Although I assume some of us don't have the mental capacity to build
>> our own technology, eh Clocky?
>
> http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/3-suggestion-box/8275-proposing-the-sv6510-handheld-multimedia-device
>
> Let's take this discussion to the official Commodore forums, because
> it seems the creeping idiot vote here is just too high :P

No response there either... 

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Slartibartfast schrieb:

>I've contacted them about the SV6510, lets see if they'd like
>to branch into a handheld platform :)

I'd like to have a phone with Commodore Basic.

If you switch it on you can use it in less then 2 seconds. And you can
run Commodore Basic programs. :)

There's a Commodore Basic app for iOS (iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch)
I've used it and it's amazing. It's NOT a C64 emulator so it won't run
M/L programs, just BASIC.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hand-basic-cbm-flavor/id394924289?mt=8

Tom Lake