In case you don't know, Fields is a cc65 library to handle dialog box-
like functionality for computers such as the CBM and Apple 2 series.
In my last related posting,it was demonstrated to me that Fields is
useless.  I think it would be useful for special-purpose databases and
data entry tasks, such as the organization of libraries and other
collections, an address book, company contacts and costomer and
product lists.  If somebody sees anything in it now, I'd appreciate a
response.  If not, then Fields was a waste of my time.

  To: Harry Potter
Harry Potter wrote:
> In case you don't know, Fields is a cc65 library to handle dialog box-
> like functionality for computers such as the CBM and Apple 2 series.
> In my last related posting,it was demonstrated to me that Fields is
> useless.  I think it would be useful for special-purpose databases and
> data entry tasks, such as the organization of libraries and other
> collections, an address book, company contacts and costomer and
> product lists.  If somebody sees anything in it now, I'd appreciate a
> response.  If not, then Fields was a waste of my time.

Honing your developer skills and refining routines and algorithms is 
never a waste of time. IMHO, the real waste would result from you 
tossing the whole thing aside as a failure.

Since I don't program with CC65 I can't help much however you should 
remember the user base of Apple II CC65 developers is probably small. 
It's doubtful there will be many programmers who can take advantage of 
your library. It is possible, I suppose, if you keep expanding your 
library that you will attract more developers to Apple2/CC65.

Cheers,
Mike T.

I'm encouraged by your pessimism. It's good to be critical of your own
work - - but don't throw the baby out with the bath water, okay?

I think you should convert it to pure assembly language.

There was a similar application called Menu Toolbox that came out a
while back by Jeff Jones. Issue 14:

http://www.ffd2.com/fridge/chacking/

This was incorporated into Dot Basic a few years ago. Maybe someone
can fill in the gaps about what happened to that. I have a copy around
here if you're interested.

A database application is a wonderful idea, especially with the uIEC
nearly ready. You've got a front end, now it's time to design the back
end.

Keep going if you want to, stop when you're ready to stop. It's
difficult working for yourself, huh?

:)

BluPhoenyx ha scritto:
>  To: Harry Potter
> Harry Potter wrote:
>> In case you don't know, Fields is a cc65 library to handle dialog box-
>> like functionality for computers such as the CBM and Apple 2 series.
>> In my last related posting,it was demonstrated to me that Fields is
>> useless.  I think it would be useful for special-purpose databases and
>> data entry tasks, such as the organization of libraries and other
>> collections, an address book, company contacts and costomer and
>> product lists.  If somebody sees anything in it now, I'd appreciate a
>> response.  If not, then Fields was a waste of my time.
> 
> Honing your developer skills and refining routines and algorithms is 
> never a waste of time. IMHO, the real waste would result from you 
> tossing the whole thing aside as a failure.

I guess that a menuing system can be useful in some 8-bit context; for 
example, a good improvement will be porting it for an tiled graphics 
environment, because can be useful in games like RPG or 
wargame/strategy. (if someone has played games like the NES Final 
Fantasies, or apple ][ wizardries known what I mean for menuing in 
RPG/WG environment)

BTW, I have DL'd the library and is archived in my huge archive of 
useful sources :)

Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.

"BluPhoenyx" <bluphoenyx@a2central.com.remove-7a4-this> wrote in message 
news:48651D77.2945.usenet_csa2@a2central.com...
  To: Harry Potter

> Honing your developer skills and refining routines and algorithms is
never a waste of time. IMHO, the real waste would result from you
tossing the whole thing aside as a failure.

That depends on Harry's motives of course. I still program for the fun of 
it. That's for me. I also get a real kick when someone uses my programs. 
That's also for me, but I'm sure glad about the first reason because user 
feedback is usually pretty rare.

Programming for the sheer joy of polishing and refining and challenging 
yourself is never a waste of time as you have pointed-out Mike. Showing-off 
to ther programmers and also appreciating their work is part of the game too 
though, and I feel a little sad that Harry seems to be missing that 
connection.

> Since I don't program with CC65 I can't help much however you should
remember the user base of Apple II CC65 developers is probably small.

That's for sure. And I for one don't understand why I am still kibitzing 
with the old stuff. But it probably has something to do with a variegated 
diet. I code for Windows and Linux and build ECommerce websites and Windows 
Mobile Inventory Systems as well, and have a gay old time with myself when 
not doing something physical like fishing commercially or traveling.

I downloaded and ran Harry's demo a couple of months back. It's true that I 
haven't any use for it. That doesn't mean it's useless.

> It's doubtful there will be many programmers who can take advantage of
your library. It is possible, I suppose, if you keep expanding your
library that you will attract more developers to Apple2/CC65.

That is a honourable goal to pursue. I think.

To me, there are many givens in this usenet group. It is a given that there 
is no lack of brilliance. It is also a given that most of us would rather 
write our own code than use someone else's. It is also a given I think that 
this is just for fun.

That little thing I did with Minipix was great sport and I would not get all 
depressed if in the grand scheme of things it gets lost in the immenisty of 
all the good work that has gone before it. It is in good compnay and so be 
it.

Harry, you seem to want to do something of notability. Perhaps you will, but 
in the meantime you absolutely must ahve fun with your algorithms and bits 
and bytes because at the end of the day like so many of us, nothing notable 
may emerge. Not sure if that makes you feel better but there's lots worse 
things than "hanging" with a bunch of smart people who enjoy old technology.

Bill

On Jun 27, 11:30=A0am, Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> wrote:
> In case you don't know, Fields is a cc65 library to handle dialog box-
> like functionality for computers such as the CBM and Apple 2 series.
> In my last related posting,it was demonstrated to me that Fields is
> useless. =A0I think it would be useful for special-purpose databases and
> data entry tasks, such as the organization of libraries and other
> collections, an address book, company contacts and costomer and
> product lists. =A0If somebody sees anything in it now, I'd appreciate a
> response. =A0If not, then Fields was a waste of my time.

I appreciate your comments, all of you.  I like playing with the
computer, but, as I'm an egotist, although a pessimistic egotist, I
like my works to be appreciated.  However, I really don't want to
convert the library to assembler.  I think it deserves C.  Assembler
would probably be good, though.

On Jul 4, 8:32 am, Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 27, 11:30 am, Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > In case you don't know, Fields is a cc65 library to handle dialog box-
> > like functionality for computers such as the CBM and Apple 2 series.
> > In my last related posting,it was demonstrated to me that Fields is
> > useless.  I think it would be useful for special-purpose databases and
> > data entry tasks, such as the organization of libraries and other
> > collections, an address book, company contacts and costomer and
> > product lists.  If somebody sees anything in it now, I'd appreciate a
> > response.  If not, then Fields was a waste of my time.
>
> I appreciate your comments, all of you.  I like playing with the
> computer, but, as I'm an egotist, although a pessimistic egotist, I
> like my works to be appreciated.  However, I really don't want to
> convert the library to assembler.  I think it deserves C.  Assembler
> would probably be good, though.


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On Jul 4, 8:32 am, Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 27, 11:30 am, Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > In case you don't know, Fields is a cc65 library to handle dialog box-
> > like functionality for computers such as the CBM and Apple 2 series.
> > In my last related posting,it was demonstrated to me that Fields is
> > useless.  I think it would be useful for special-purpose databases and
> > data entry tasks, such as the organization of libraries and other
> > collections, an address book, company contacts and costomer and
> > product lists.  If somebody sees anything in it now, I'd appreciate a
> > response.  If not, then Fields was a waste of my time.
>
> I appreciate your comments, all of you.  I like playing with the
> computer, but, as I'm an egotist, although a pessimistic egotist, I
> like my works to be appreciated.  However, I really don't want to
> convert the library to assembler.  I think it deserves C.  Assembler
> would probably be good, though.


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On Jul 4, 8:32 am, Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 27, 11:30 am, Harry Potter <maspethro...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > In case you don't know, Fields is a cc65 library to handle dialog box-
> > like functionality for computers such as the CBM and Apple 2 series.
> > In my last related posting,it was demonstrated to me that Fields is
> > useless.  I think it would be useful for special-purpose databases and
> > data entry tasks, such as the organization of libraries and other
> > collections, an address book, company contacts and costomer and
> > product lists.  If somebody sees anything in it now, I'd appreciate a
> > response.  If not, then Fields was a waste of my time.
>
> I appreciate your comments, all of you.  I like playing with the
> computer, but, as I'm an egotist, although a pessimistic egotist, I
> like my works to be appreciated.  However, I really don't want to
> convert the library to assembler.  I think it deserves C.  Assembler
> would probably be good, though.


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