Anyone out there got a 1581 laying around???  I will pay a good price
for one (no pwr brick needed) already have several of those.
                    Joe  (email addr is valid  jfenn@lava.net)


**************************************************************************
* Ham since 1937 HiSchool Sophomore ex W9ZUU, KP4EX, W4FAG, KH6ARG KH6JF *
* WW2 Vet since Sep 1940 to just After VJ day. US Signal Corps AACS      *
**************************************************************************

On Mar 27, 3:22 pm, Joseph Fenn <j...@lava.net> wrote:
> Anyone out there got a 1581 laying around???  I will pay a good price
> for one (no pwr brick needed) already have several of those.
>                     Joe  (email addr is valid  j...@lava.net)
>
> **************************************************************************
> * Ham since 1937 HiSchool Sophomore ex W9ZUU, KP4EX, W4FAG, KH6ARG KH6JF *
> * WW2 Vet since Sep 1940 to just After VJ day. US Signal Corps AACS      *
> **************************************************************************




 YEP! I got 1. Would like $150.00 for it though. It works GREAT!  If
you want it just let me know..... :):):):)

Charles>-8-Bit Designs

http://www.8bitprodserv.spaces.live.com

On Mar 27, 3:22 pm, Joseph Fenn <j...@lava.net> wrote:
> Anyone out there got a 1581 laying around???  I will pay a good price
> for one (no pwr brick needed) already have several of those.
>                     Joe  (email addr is valid  j...@lava.net)
>
> **************************************************************************
> * Ham since 1937 HiSchool Sophomore ex W9ZUU, KP4EX, W4FAG, KH6ARG KH6JF *
> * WW2 Vet since Sep 1940 to just After VJ day. US Signal Corps AACS      *
> **************************************************************************



 Oh yeah.... LOLOL

 It HELPS to leave an email address and a phone number for contact
too! Heheheheh


 shifty_butch@hotmail.com

 (909) 350-9987


 Please consider...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, ramswell wrote:

> On Mar 27, 3:22 pm, Joseph Fenn <j...@lava.net> wrote:
>> Anyone out there got a 1581 laying around???  I will pay a good price
>> for one (no pwr brick needed) already have several of those.
>>                     Joe  (email addr is valid  j...@lava.net)
>>
> YEP! I got 1. Would like $150.00 for it though. It works GREAT!  If
> you want it just let me know..... :):):):)
>
> Charles>-8-Bit Designs
>
> http://www.8bitprodserv.spaces.live.com
>
>
>
>
Okay need few details.  Does it have the upgrade rom chip in it
and does the $150 cover USPS shipping to Hawaii??
                 Joe (email to jfenn@lava.net)

On Mar 28, 11:31 am, Joseph Fenn <j...@lava.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, ramswell wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 3:22 pm, Joseph Fenn <j...@lava.net> wrote:
> >> Anyone out there got a 1581 laying around???  I will pay a good price
> >> for one (no pwr brick needed) already have several of those.
> >>                     Joe  (email addr is valid  j...@lava.net)
>
> > YEP! I got 1. Would like $150.00 for it though. It works GREAT!  If
> > you want it just let me know..... :):):):)
>
> > Charles>-8-Bit Designs
>
> >http://www.8bitprodserv.spaces.live.com
>
> Okay need few details.  Does it have the upgrade rom chip in it
> and does the $150 cover USPS shipping to Hawaii??
>                  Joe (email to j...@lava.net)


 Ummmm, upgrade ROM?? I'll have to see what's in it, but I do know for
sure that it DON'T HAVE JIFFY DOS! I already checked it for that and
got a CBM DOS message of some sort. Which chip do you need in it so I
can check it out and let you know.

 The S&H charge is $15.00 for CONTINENTAL US, so I am "assuming" that
it would be an extra $10 on top of that for "Priority Mail." This is
to ENSURE good and safe packaging so as to not damage the drive when
flying over there.


 Feel free to drop me a line and let me know what else you would like
to know and I'll try to answer it to the best of my ability.


 Thanks,

 Charles

"ramswell" <shifty_butch@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1175045205.467043.147030@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 27, 3:22 pm, Joseph Fenn <j...@lava.net> wrote:
>> Anyone out there got a 1581 laying around???  I will pay a good price
>> for one (no pwr brick needed) already have several of those.
>>                     Joe  (email addr is valid  j...@lava.net)
>>
>> **************************************************************************
>> * Ham since 1937 HiSchool Sophomore ex W9ZUU, KP4EX, W4FAG, KH6ARG KH6JF 
>> *
>> * WW2 Vet since Sep 1940 to just After VJ day. US Signal Corps AACS 
>> *
>> **************************************************************************
>
>
>
> Oh yeah.... LOLOL
>
> It HELPS to leave an email address and a phone number for contact
> too! Heheheheh
>
>
> shifty_butch@hotmail.com
>
> (909) 350-9987
>
>
> Please consider...
>

I would never consider buying anything from someone with "shifty butch" in 
the e-mail addy, much less a hot mail account.
Not to mention $150 for a 1581.
Good luck with that Joe. 

>  Ummmm, upgrade ROM?? I'll have to see what's in it, but I do know for
> sure that it DON'T HAVE JIFFY DOS! I already checked it for that and
> got a CBM DOS message of some sort. Which chip do you need in it so I
> can check it out and let you know.

Charles,

The 1581 has had two ROM offical (released) versions:
http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/firmware/drives/new/1581/

It is a simple matter to open the 1581 and check the ROM marking on
the particular chip.

While you have it open, look at the WDC controller chip and note if
it's a WD1770 or WD1772. A WD1770 is preferable.

I would ***very strongly suggest*** that you consider "free shipping"
if you're asking $150. One, you're selling to a fellow comp.sys.cbm
member, not some flake on Ebay (with the associated selling fees,
collection headaches, etc). Two, what few 1581s that sell on Ebay,
that manage to go over $125, are either JiffyDOS equipped or are sold
by a known reputable Commodore collector (with manual, box, demo disk,
transit protector, etc). Three, Joe is a long-time comp.sys.cbm
associate, and he would bend over backward to do something for another
person for "cost of shipping only" or as cheaply as he could. I know,
he did for me when I was a newbie to this group. Four, there IS such a
thing as an "Instant 1581", where one only needs the floppy drive
mechanism, everything else is in the kit, and Joe can obtain that for
well under the $150 you're asking. It's from http://www.jppbm.com/ The
same website offers a 1581, refurbished, for CAN$75 (approx US$68.25)
plus shipping -- less than half the price that you're asking.

James
www.cbm264.com

"James @ cbm264" wrote ...

>>  Ummmm, upgrade ROM?? I'll have to see what's in it, but I do know for
>> sure that it DON'T HAVE JIFFY DOS! I already checked it for that and
>> got a CBM DOS message of some sort. Which chip do you need in it so I
>> can check it out and let you know.
>
> Charles,
>
> The 1581 has had two ROM offical (released) versions:
> http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/firmware/drives/new/1581/
>
> It is a simple matter to open the 1581 and check the ROM marking on
> the particular chip.
>
> While you have it open, look at the WDC controller chip and note if
> it's a WD1770 or WD1772. A WD1770 is preferable.

Several years ago, someone posted a short BASIC program that could be run to
query a 1581 drive and return the DOS version, controller type, and if a
jumper that needed to be added was present.  It worked quite nicely with my
1581 drives.  I would repost it, but unfortunately I have misplaced it.
:-(
-- 
Best regards,

Sam Gillett

Change is inevitable,
except from vending machines!

On Mar 28, 9:41 pm, "Sam Gillett" <samgillettnos...@diespammermsn.com>
wrote:
>
> > While you have it open, look at the WDC controller chip and
> > note if it's a WD1770 or WD1772. A WD1770 is preferable.

I thought that the WD1770 is the one with problems.

>
> Several years ago, someone posted a short BASIC program that
> could be run to query a 1581 drive and return the DOS version,
> controller type, and if a jumper that needed to be added
> was present.  It worked quite nicely with my 1581 drives.
> I would repost it, but unfortunately I have misplaced it.

I have a drive with an old WD1770 and an open J1 umper.
Occasionally, I had to suspend a lengthy session to allow the
drive to cool.  Otherwise, I have had no difficulty with it.

Here is a public domain program from the 1581 TOOL KIT.  It
doesn't provide the DOS version but will tell you the WD177X
and also tells if the J1 jumper is open or closed.   The
program was probably written before there were two 1581 DOSs.

100 rem   check 1581 disk for controller type & j1 jumper
110 rem   12/09/87  fred bowen
115 :
120 print"insert any formatted disk in drive."
121 input"check which unit";u: print
125 :
130 open 1,u,15      :l=218 : h=1
140 open 2,u,2,"#"
145 print#1,"m-r"chr$(0)chr$(192)chr$(1): get#1,a$
150 if asc(a$)<>192 then print"device"u"is not a 1581.": goto360
155 :
160 print#1,"m-r"chr$(l)chr$(h)chr$(5):rem  modify controller cmds
170 fori=1to5:get#1,a$:b$=b$+chr$(asc(a$)or3):c$=c$+a$:next
180 print#1,"m-w"chr$(l)chr$(h)chr$(5)b$
190 :
200 print#1,"u1";2;0;1;0       :gosub500:rem  seek track 1&reset timer
210 print#1,"u1";2;0;80;0      :gosub600:rem seek track 80&read timer
220 :
230 print#1,"m-w"chr$(8)chr$(64)chr$(1)chr$(0): rem  test jumper j1
240 print#1,"m-r"chr$(8)chr$(64)chr$(1): get#1,j$
250 :
260 print#1,"m-w"chr$(l)chr$(h)chr$(5)c$:rem restore controller cmds
270 if val(f$)>0 then print"seek error- check diskette.": print: run
285 :
290 print"unit"u"contains a ";:rem  report
300 if t>20 then print"wd1770";
310 if t<20 then print"wd1772";
320 print" and j1 is ";
330 if j$="" then print"open"
340 if j$>"" then print"closed"
360 :
370 close2: close1: end
380 :
390 :
474 -256
500 fori=11to8step-1: poke56320+i,0: next: return
600 input#1,f$,r$,e$,d$: t=peek(56329)*10+peek(56328): return

On Mar 28, 4:42 pm, "C64ER" <m...@home.com> wrote:
> I would never consider buying anything from someone with "shifty butch" in
> the e-mail addy, much less a hot mail account.
> Not to mention $150 for a 1581.
> Good luck with that Joe.

Mr. C64ER,

Charles Gutman (aka Ramswell) is the owner of 8-Bit Designs, and is a
very trustworthy person.  Everything he sells comes with a 30-day
warranty.  Try getting that from someone on eBay...

-Andrew

> > While you have it open, look at the WDC controller chip and
> > note if it's a WD1770 or WD1772. A WD1770 is preferable.
>
> I thought that the WD1770 is the one with problems.

Paul, you're right.... the WD1772 is the preferred controller. I was
up way past my bedtime last night. :(

James

I would buy one of the kits from JPPBM and then buy an old amiga
floppy drive for about $5 and be done with it. they all have the later
rev wd controller chip, and jiffydos is only a few dollars away if you
have a burner.

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, rusure wrote:

> On Mar 28, 9:41 pm, "Sam Gillett" <samgillettnos...@diespammermsn.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> While you have it open, look at the WDC controller chip and
>>> note if it's a WD1770 or WD1772. A WD1770 is preferable.
>
> I thought that the WD1770 is the one with problems.
>
>>
>> Several years ago, someone posted a short BASIC program that
>> could be run to query a 1581 drive and return the DOS version,
>> controller type, and if a jumper that needed to be added
>> was present.  It worked quite nicely with my 1581 drives.
>> I would repost it, but unfortunately I have misplaced it.
>
> I have a drive with an old WD1770 and an open J1 umper.
> Occasionally, I had to suspend a lengthy session to allow the
> drive to cool.  Otherwise, I have had no difficulty with it.
>
> Here is a public domain program from the 1581 TOOL KIT.  It
> doesn't provide the DOS version but will tell you the WD177X
> and also tells if the J1 jumper is open or closed.   The
> program was probably written before there were two 1581 DOSs.
>
No the WD1772 is the preferable upgrade rom chip.  No jumpering
required.  I have the ROM upgrade checker program.
I have received sereral responses thus far, but all kinds
of "conditions involved".   Like overheats, requires jumper
change, et al ad infinitum!   And yes the $150 price without
includeing shipping via ups is way out of line.  I never deal
with EBAY on anything.  So still am looking.
                      Joe

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, James @ cbm264 wrote:

>>> While you have it open, look at the WDC controller chip and
>>> note if it's a WD1770 or WD1772. A WD1770 is preferable.
>>
>> I thought that the WD1770 is the one with problems.
>
> Paul, you're right.... the WD1772 is the preferred controller. I was
> up way past my bedtime last night. :(
>
> James
>
>
Yep its the WD1772 that is the upgrade chip and I have the
"checker" program.
                  Joe

"Andrew Wiskow" <wiskow@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:1175147197.028686.212470@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 28, 4:42 pm, "C64ER" <m...@home.com> wrote:
>> I would never consider buying anything from someone with "shifty butch" 
>> in
>> the e-mail addy, much less a hot mail account.
>> Not to mention $150 for a 1581.
>> Good luck with that Joe.
>
> Mr. C64ER,
>
> Charles Gutman (aka Ramswell) is the owner of 8-Bit Designs, and is a
> very trustworthy person.  Everything he sells comes with a 30-day
> warranty.  Try getting that from someone on eBay...
>
> -Andrew
>
Mr. Andrew,

I'm sure Charles is an outstanding citizen and child of God.
BUT, If I have a budding business (of any kind) I would not use the word 
"shifty" in my business e-mail address.

And while we are on the subject of helping our fellow man out, Mr. Charles 
might I suggest you explore setting up shop with MS Officelive, 
(www.officelive.com) it's geared to small business and free. I use it for 
www.c64er.com (shameless plug).

Man, I feel so good now, I have helped my fellow man. Think I'll celebrate 
by playing Stealth Fighter and kill a few commies!

On Mar 29, 2:52 pm, "C64ER" <m...@home.com> wrote:
> "Andrew Wiskow" <wis...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1175147197.028686.212470@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...> On Mar 28, 4:42 pm, "C64ER" <m...@home.com> wrote:
> >> I would never consider buying anything from someone with "shifty butch"
> >> in
> >> the e-mail addy, much less a hot mail account.
> >> Not to mention $150 for a 1581.
> >> Good luck with that Joe.
>
> > Mr. C64ER,
>
> > Charles Gutman (aka Ramswell) is the owner of 8-Bit Designs, and is a
> > very trustworthy person.  Everything he sells comes with a 30-day
> > warranty.  Try getting that from someone on eBay...
>
> > -Andrew
>
> Mr. Andrew,
>
> I'm sure Charles is an outstanding citizen and child of God.
> BUT, If I have a budding business (of any kind) I would not use the word
> "shifty" in my business e-mail address.
>
> And while we are on the subject of helping our fellow man out, Mr. Charles
> might I suggest you explore setting up shop with MS Officelive,
> (www.officelive.com) it's geared to small business and free. I use it forwww.c64er.com(shameless plug).
>
> Man, I feel so good now, I have helped my fellow man. Think I'll celebrate
> by playing Stealth Fighter and kill a few commies!



 Well nevertheless, anyone that is TRULY interested in it will get the
following:

 The 1581 Drive itself, a free serial drive cable, the free original
power supply, the free 1581 toolkit original disk, and, finally the 30
GUARANTEE on workmanship and defects. All in all it seems to me that
no one else out there is doing anything even close to this in
value. :):):):):) So I think that $175.00 GUARANTEED to Hawaii is a
great offer!



 Oh and by the way, I ALREADY USE MS LIVE for my website! See
below.......
 Have a great week and Happy Easter!!!

 Charles>8-Bit Designs

 http://www.8bitprodserv.spaces.live.com

 shifty_butch@hotmail.com


---------named for a "nervous condition where I shift around a lot in
my seat" NOT for being  a "SHIFTY PERSON!" Thanks for the advise
though. Lolololol

"ramswell" <shifty_butch@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1175205912.258233.228250@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Oh and by the way, I ALREADY USE MS LIVE for my website! See
> below.......
> Have a great week and Happy Easter!!!
>
> Charles>8-Bit Designs
>
> http://www.8bitprodserv.spaces.live.com
>

Charles,
What your using is not the same as Officelive, for starters it does not have 
that annoying "Myspace" look. It's for people who are serious about setting 
up a professional looking webpage to attract potential customers.
Go to the link and check it out.