Hi all,

please don�t laugh! But I like the System! :-)

Because the 1GB HDD is full - what a suprise - I want to upgrade the 
system with a new HDD. I thing my inventory of (old used) parts would be 
  give a 4 or 9 Gig HDD SCSI Disk.

Now comes the Problem - how to do this without to make a new 
installation? The System is running fine and I�m not a HP/UX expert so 
looking for any good suggestions :-).

Er, the system has 384MB Memory and is running under 10.20. I have 
another (Intel) System with SCSI Controller running, is there a chance 
to easyly copy the System? Ha ha ... okay - of course not, but there 
must be a nice way?

For any tips thanks a lot!

Bye
Carsten Bliessen

I forget - were the HDD's on that large enough that only one fit into
the chassis, or can you add another HDD to the chassis?

Ignite recovery tape.  Ignite/UX would allow one to create a recovery
tape (assuming your E35 has a DAT) to be used in the unlikely event of
a catastrophic system failure.  IIRC, it could be used to do what you
would like.  The only question I would have is the current availablity
of the software for 10.20.  Still, try software.hp.com and/or your
DART CDs.

rick jones
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Rick Jones wrote:
> I forget - were the HDD's on that large enough that only one fit into
> the chassis, or can you add another HDD to the chassis?
I think there is enough room for a additional HDD, perhaps only a 
different cable (with another connecter) is nessescary. I must check this.

> Ignite recovery tape.  Ignite/UX would allow one to create a recovery
Oh yeah - i was think about something like this. I know that under aix / 
smit there is a similar option ...

> tape (assuming your E35 has a DAT) to be used in the unlikely event of
Er, there is something wich looks like a DAT ... ;-) I don�t belive that 
  I can to persuade any tape to work with ;-). But thats no Problem, 
anywhere here must be an DDS3...

Is it a option under sam or a command?

> The only question I would have is the current availablity
> of the software for 10.20.  Still, try software.hp.com and/or your
> DART CDs.
Do I need the CD�s for such a restore? Under Aix you can create a 
bootable dat with all nessecary tools and scripts so you only insert the 
tape and boot from and answer the question if you woul restore the full 
system with 'y'.

The CD�s I have given away together with another system, but if there is 
no other chance I will hire it back :-)

Carsten Bliessen wrote:
> Rick Jones wrote:
> 
>> I forget - were the HDD's on that large enough that only one fit into
>> the chassis, or can you add another HDD to the chassis?
> 
> I think there is enough room for a additional HDD, perhaps only a 
> different cable (with another connecter) is nessescary. I must check this.
> 
>> Ignite recovery tape.  Ignite/UX would allow one to create a recovery
> 
> Oh yeah - i was think about something like this. I know that under aix / 
> smit there is a similar option ...
> 
>> tape (assuming your E35 has a DAT) to be used in the unlikely event of
> 
> Er, there is something wich looks like a DAT ... ;-) I don�t belive that 
>  I can to persuade any tape to work with ;-). But thats no Problem, 
> anywhere here must be an DDS3...
> 
> Is it a option under sam or a command?
> 
>> The only question I would have is the current availablity
>> of the software for 10.20.  Still, try software.hp.com and/or your
>> DART CDs.
> 
> Do I need the CD�s for such a restore? Under Aix you can create a 
> bootable dat with all nessecary tools and scripts so you only insert the 
> tape and boot from and answer the question if you woul restore the full 
> system with 'y'.
> 
> The CD�s I have given away together with another system, but if there is 
> no other chance I will hire it back :-)
Don't use a DDS3 drive, find a DDS1/2 drive, the Nova's didnt know about 
DDS3 so it probably wont recognize it. Did you try a 60/90 meter tape in 
the existing drive?, if its DDS1 thats all that will work.

Carsten Bliessen <bliessen@gmx.de> wrote:
[btw, tin on my system keeps complaining about 8 bit character sets -
not sure if that is a problem with tin or elsewhere...]

> Is it a option under sam or a command?

make_sys_recovery (iirc) a command that comes along with ignite bits.
not sure if there is an option under sam.

> Do I need the CD's for such a restore? Under Aix you can create a
> bootable dat with all nessecary tools and scripts so you only insert
> the tape and boot from and answer the question if you woul restore
> the full system with 'y'.

It should not be necessary to have the CDs.  I'm not sure about
codewords - never having had to deal with them myself.  There may be a
little more to it than just saying 'y' - like options to change the
filesystem sizes and the like.

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In article <u1GCd.5096$%D6.4953@news.cpqcorp.net>, Rick Jones wrote:
> Carsten Bliessen <bliessen@gmx.de> wrote:
> [btw, tin on my system keeps complaining about 8 bit character sets -
> not sure if that is a problem with tin or elsewhere...]
> 
>> Is it a option under sam or a command?
> 
> make_sys_recovery (iirc) a command that comes along with ignite bits.
> not sure if there is an option under sam.

I can't remember if 10.20 had make_tape_recovery or not - if not, its just
make_recovery.

>> Do I need the CD's for such a restore? Under Aix you can create a
>> bootable dat with all nessecary tools and scripts so you only insert
>> the tape and boot from and answer the question if you woul restore
>> the full system with 'y'.
> 
> It should not be necessary to have the CDs.  I'm not sure about
> codewords - never having had to deal with them myself.  There may be a
> little more to it than just saying 'y' - like options to change the
> filesystem sizes and the like.

Another option is just adding a second disk and extending it into your root VG,
assuming its running LVM. Then you just have to extend the appropriate LVs as
needed.

Kevin

Kevin Collins wrote:
> In article <u1GCd.5096$%D6.4953@news.cpqcorp.net>, Rick Jones wrote:
> 
>>Carsten Bliessen <bliessen@gmx.de> wrote:
>>[btw, tin on my system keeps complaining about 8 bit character sets -
>>not sure if that is a problem with tin or elsewhere...]
>>
>>
>>>Is it a option under sam or a command?
>>
>>make_sys_recovery (iirc) a command that comes along with ignite bits.
>>not sure if there is an option under sam.
> 
> 
> I can't remember if 10.20 had make_tape_recovery or not - if not, its just
> make_recovery.
> 
> 
>>>Do I need the CD's for such a restore? Under Aix you can create a
>>>bootable dat with all nessecary tools and scripts so you only insert
>>>the tape and boot from and answer the question if you woul restore
>>>the full system with 'y'.
>>
>>It should not be necessary to have the CDs.  I'm not sure about
>>codewords - never having had to deal with them myself.  There may be a
>>little more to it than just saying 'y' - like options to change the
>>filesystem sizes and the like.
> 
> 
> Another option is just adding a second disk and extending it into your root VG,
> assuming its running LVM. Then you just have to extend the appropriate LVs as
> needed.
> 
> Kevin
I have some 10.20 apps CD's, I will look thru and see what the package 
has, I know that the 10.20 ver of Ignite is not readily available from 
HP now.

Alan D Johnson wrote:
> Kevin Collins wrote:
>> Another option is just adding a second disk and extending it into your 
>> root VG,
>> assuming its running LVM. Then you just have to extend the appropriate 
>> LVs as
>> needed.
But look at "Max PE per PV" and the PE size. Max HD_Size in the VG = 
Max_PE_Size * PE_size ! You can't change thease values without  recreate 
the whole vg.

  > I have some 10.20 apps CD's, I will look thru and see what the package
> has, I know that the 10.20 ver of Ignite is not readily available from 
> HP now.
I think the fileset for 10.20 is on the 11.0 and 11i application cds too.

Lars

Carsten Bliessen wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> please don�t laugh! But I like the System! :-)
> 
> Because the 1GB HDD is full - what a suprise - I want to upgrade the 
> system with a new HDD. I thing my inventory of (old used) parts would be 
>  give a 4 or 9 Gig HDD SCSI Disk.

Hook it to the scsi bus and use it as additional space. be sure to give the disk 
a free address, not the ones used by the build-in disk (0?) or the interface (7).

THen do an ioscan to see where the disk is.

> 
> Now comes the Problem - how to do this without to make a new 
> installation? The System is running fine and I�m not a HP/UX expert so 
> looking for any good suggestions :-).

As far as I know scsi, they are intended to be hot-pluggable, hence you even 
might give that a try. Only when you twiggle with the scsi termination, there 
might be scsi-errors which might cause run-time problems (this is common scsi).

Once hardware is installed, use `sam` to setup the disk. The nicest thing is to 
add the disk to a volume-group (vg) or create a new one. and create 
logical-volumes (lv) on the disk.

If you hook more than one disk, you can set them all up in a software raid with 
this: all disks in the same volume group and create logical volumes over the 
disks in the raid you like. I'll adivce raid0 (striping) for size or raid 1-0 
(striped mirror) for availability, better not use raid 5 or other.

Once you can create filesystems, either copy one of the filled filesystems to a 
new space or create aditional data space.

You might even try to extend current lv-s and their filesystems if the disks are 
all in the same vg but that only if you will take the risk.

> 
> Er, the system has 384MB Memory and is running under 10.20. I have 
> another (Intel) System with SCSI Controller running, is there a chance 
> to easyly copy the System? Ha ha ... okay - of course not, but there 
> must be a nice way?

unfortunatly not: M$Windows definitly does not know about the HP-UX 
'partitioning' (i.e. logical volumes). Linux does not jet know about it (might 
be work in progress). And HP-UX does not know the partition-scheme of the other 
2 parties. Only if the other system runs HP-UX, preparing the disk (and dumping 
data there) is an option.

In the end, there is also linux for PA-Risc. Debian has a distro. Some details 
are on http://www.openpa.net/systems/index.html

> 
> For any tips thanks a lot!
> 
> Bye
> Carsten Bliessen

CBee wrote:

> Carsten Bliessen wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> please don�t laugh! But I like the System! :-)
>>
>> Because the 1GB HDD is full - what a suprise - I want to upgrade the 
>> system with a new HDD. I thing my inventory of (old used) parts would 
>> be  give a 4 or 9 Gig HDD SCSI Disk.
> 
> 
> Hook it to the scsi bus and use it as additional space. be sure to give 
> the disk a free address, not the ones used by the build-in disk (0?) or 
> the interface (7).
> 
> THen do an ioscan to see where the disk is.
> 
>>
>> Now comes the Problem - how to do this without to make a new 
>> installation? The System is running fine and I�m not a HP/UX expert so 
>> looking for any good suggestions :-).
> 
> 
> As far as I know scsi, they are intended to be hot-pluggable, hence you 
> even might give that a try. Only when you twiggle with the scsi 
> termination, there might be scsi-errors which might cause run-time 
> problems (this is common scsi).
> 
> Once hardware is installed, use `sam` to setup the disk. The nicest 
> thing is to add the disk to a volume-group (vg) or create a new one. and 
> create logical-volumes (lv) on the disk.
> 
> If you hook more than one disk, you can set them all up in a software 
> raid with this: all disks in the same volume group and create logical 
> volumes over the disks in the raid you like. I'll adivce raid0 
> (striping) for size or raid 1-0 (striped mirror) for availability, 
> better not use raid 5 or other.
> 
> Once you can create filesystems, either copy one of the filled 
> filesystems to a new space or create aditional data space.
> 
> You might even try to extend current lv-s and their filesystems if the 
> disks are all in the same vg but that only if you will take the risk.
> 
>>
>> Er, the system has 384MB Memory and is running under 10.20. I have 
>> another (Intel) System with SCSI Controller running, is there a chance 
>> to easyly copy the System? Ha ha ... okay - of course not, but there 
>> must be a nice way?
> 
> 
> unfortunatly not: M$Windows definitly does not know about the HP-UX 
> 'partitioning' (i.e. logical volumes). Linux does not jet know about it 
> (might be work in progress). And HP-UX does not know the 
> partition-scheme of the other 2 parties. Only if the other system runs 
> HP-UX, preparing the disk (and dumping data there) is an option.
> 
> In the end, there is also linux for PA-Risc. Debian has a distro. Some 
> details are on http://www.openpa.net/systems/index.html
> 
>>
>> For any tips thanks a lot!
>>
>> Bye
>> Carsten Bliessen
DO NOT HOT PLUG IT!!! The Nova root bus was not hot plug, it is plain 
old SE-SCSI. If you have another scsi ctrl on the system ( w/ tapes or 
something ) you can plug it in to that one, you should be able to do a 
dd then.

:-)


> DO NOT HOT PLUG IT!!! The Nova root bus was not hot plug, it is plain 
> old SE-SCSI. If you have another scsi ctrl on the system ( w/ tapes or

I know! I think it is a hard and very stupid way to screw the cage of 
and then move the hole cage with running Disks to plug in a new drive... 
no good idea ;-)

Hi,

first - thanks a lot for your suggestions. But I have done the job (plug 
in a new disk and move some paths)

> As far as I know scsi, they are intended to be hot-pluggable, hence you 
> even might give that a try. Only when you twiggle with the scsi 
> termination, there might be scsi-errors which might cause run-time 
> problems (this is common scsi).

Not a good Idea :-). To say it with hp words: not supported.

> unfortunatly not: M$Windows definitly does not know about the HP-UX 
> 'partitioning' (i.e. logical volumes). Linux does not jet know about it 
er - wich filesystem does win know? Apart from his own? ;-) One of the 
10 commandments: you may not have any other fs next to mine ;-)

CBee wrote:

> As far as I know scsi, they are intended to be hot-pluggable, hence
> you even might give that a try.

DON'T DO THAT! NEVER!

SCSI is _not_ autoatically hot-pluggable. Hot-Plugging requires special 
connectors that connect ground before connecting the signal lines, and it 
requires hot-plug-capable controllers. Without that You're on the best way 
to fry Your equipment.

Benjamin

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