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Re: Printer trays.....network printers #3

Thanks again.
Hopefully I wont have to work on an 8000, or the 5si. We have a Xerox N17
that does duplex, but not from the 3000, and nobody complains about problems
with it.
The irritating thing about the PCL docos is I haven't seen two versions of
tray selection parms the same - the explanations of values 2-6 are all
different. On the Xerox E&l2H through E&l5H all select from lower tray.
Xerox number the proper trays 1 and 2, where HP call the manual feeder Tray
1, the others 2 through n.
Anyway this NPCONFIG setup definitely works for the Xerox, and SEEMS to work
for HP2300:-
std top tray:
604     (network_address = 192.168.2.144
              BANNER_INTRAY = 1
              DATA_INTRAY = 1
              poll_interval = 4
              poll_interval_max = 4
              data_timeout = 20
              jam_recovery = false
              pjl_supported = false
              snmp_enabled = FALSE
              DEFAULT_PAGE_SIZE = 26
              setup_file = tray1.hpenv.sys
              message_interval = 0)
lower tray always:
607     (network_address = 192.168.2.144
              poll_interval = 4
              poll_interval_max = 4
              data_timeout = 20
              jam_recovery = false
              pjl_supported = false
              snmp_enabled = FALSE
              DEFAULT_PAGE_SIZE = 26
              setup_file = tray5.hpenv.sys
              message_interval = 0)

tray5.hpenv contains:-
E&l5H
tray1.hpenv contains
E&l1H
obviously
as the program driving this sets up portrait/landscape itself. the Default
paper line is because we always use A4 here.

I say SEEMS for HP2300, as I need to do some production volume on it to be
sure. Last time I thought I had it working, it failed to select properly
under load - many small spool files coming in a continuous line. Will let
you know when we have been there. With the local Xerox I did a loop of
printing one page alternately to top and bottom trays on the two different
ldevs, with marked paper in lower tray, and it worked reliably. The 2300 is
on other side of continent, and I have to ask people there to tell me what
came out......
If it works, I think I will stick to tray selection, its easier telling
people which paper to put where.

cheers,
jp

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Pierce" <TPierce@goldengate.org>
To: "'John Pitman'" <jpitman@ryco.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 2:44 AM
Subject: RE: Printer trays.....network printers


> > You are spending more time on this than I am!!! Thanks for
> > esc sequences...
>
> maybe so (sorry?)!  Please post results, including the esc sequences,
after
> you test?  We'd all like to gain better control of our printers;
> tray-not-papertype selection has long been a real problem, and addressing
> papertype selection was/is clearly superior.
>
> I was interested in this problem largely because it was SO frustrating
> trying to get HP to acknowledge even the existence of PCL beyond 5; it was
> at least 4 years after my initial attempts to make this barely even
> semi-documented feature work that I finally found PCL5e & PCL6 to be named
> entities; actually finding docs was welcome, if not amazing.
>
> You'll have a ball discovering HP's treatment of duplex with at least the
> 5siMX and 8100 laserjets - the hardware wants to print the back first, so
it
> does (and this is required to meet claimed print speeds).  This cheat goes
> undetected unless you're using paper that's different front-to-back, like
> letterhead or prepunch.  The big fix which largely hides the problem is in
> the Windoze driver, which does all the work of shuffling the passed file
so
> that page 2 is presented as page 1 & vice-versa.  While that's very nice
for
> Windoze users, it's not so nice for HP3000 users - no such under-the-hood
> 'driver'.
>
> We routinely drive our Operator bananas by keeping the 3-hole paper
> backwards in the tray to accomodate duplex printing (the majority);
> presenting simplex to it then comes out backward.  That's easy enough, but
> when you print from Windows, duplex is once again backward.  (so we're
back
> to tray control anyway, right?)
>
> Good luck, John.  Oh, feel free to post this too.
>
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> > they do not appear in my PCL5 manual- dated 1992! It goes from E&l to
> > E&p...there are also differences in explanations in the E&lxH
> > list in your
> > link to those in my manual.
> > Looks like it now works using E&l5H for bottom tray selection
> > on the HP2300,
> > where the Xerox will select bottom with anything from 2 to 5. Nice std
> > behaviour, I love it.
> >
> > Thanks for all your help here.
> > jp
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tracy Pierce" <TPierce@goldengate.org>
> > To: "'John Pitman'" <jpitman@ryco.com.au>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:55 AM
> > Subject: RE: Printer trays.....network printers
> >
> >
> > >
> > http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/bpl106
> > 29/bpl10629.pd
> > > f
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John Pitman [mailto:jpitman@ryco.com.au]
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 5:09 PM
> > > > To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
> > > > Subject: Re: Printer trays.....network printers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to all who responded.....
> > > > I eventually did some tests trying to write to this printer
> > > > with the tray
> > > > selection PENV file via fcopy, and got errors back re the
> > > > PENV file. I wish
> > > > there had been a utility for writing these files somewhere,
> > > > would make life
> > > > a lot easier. Notes just say driver removes leading and
> > > > trailing blanks,
> > > > sends whatever is left to printer. But it errors if the rec
> > > > len is not 512W,
> > > > file type not PENV, if data is followed by a mix of blanks and
> > > > nulls......very unfriendly. I must have missed that
> > lesson at school.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, in the end I got a PENV file that did not error with
> > > > fcopy, and now
> > > > the Xerox printer does what I want in regard to trays. Now to
> > > > test it on the
> > > > (sadly) VERY remote hp2300 - 3 time zones away.
> > > >  Tracy - when  I  define different papers in the trays, how
> > > > would I select
> > > > by paper type? Cant see a command in PCL 5 (book to hand),
> > > > cant find a PCL 6
> > > > manual that discusses such a command....
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > jp
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Goetz Neumann" <goetz.neumann@hp.com>
> > > > To: <HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 2:33 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Printer trays.....network printers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > John Pitman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I define a Xerox printer with two Ldev nos, with
> > > > data_intray=1 on one
> > > > > > ldev, and data_intray = 4 on the other, I can send
> > > > interleaved spool
> > > > files
> > > > > > to them and it works beautifully. If I remove data_intray
> > > > = 4, and try
> > > > to
> > > > > > use setup_file=x.hpenv where x contains <Esc>&l4H  (PCL
> > > > for use lower
> > > > tray),
> > > > > > nothing works, it doesnt even rotate to landscape
> > (understand that
> > > > part). If
> > > > > > I embed the esc sequence in the data at start it works,
> > > > but thats not a
> > > > > > viable solution. In fact if I send the tray value
> > > > anything from 2 to 5,
> > > > it
> > > > > > uses bottom tray.
> > > > > >  I want to use this on an HP2300 laserjet, but it looks
> > > > like these later
> > > > > > models dont respond to PJL Data_intray
> > > > commands.....something I saw on
> > > > ITRC
> > > > > > . So, how do I get this printer to work please?
> > > > >
> > > > > I fail to understand why including the PCL command into your
> > > > > setup_file does not work but it works when you insert it into
> > > > > the data.
> > > > > Your setup_file is fixed,ascii,unnumbered or bytestream  and
> > > > > <Esc> is indeed a byte with decimal value of 27 ?
> > > > > Is there indication that other PCL commands in this setup file
> > > > > are recognized ?  Did you fully qualify the setup_file name in
> > > > > NPCONFIG ?
> > > > >
> > > > > You don't have any global data_intray option in
> > NPCONFIG, do you ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Goetz.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the PCL command works in the data body, then we should get
> > > > > it working in the setup_file as well.
> > > > >
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