_____________________________________________
Miscellany (from Craig's page):

"The product number (48) was chosen to be a combination of 41 and 28"

Craig also quotes Greg Sanker from HP, as of Apr 07 1992:

I checked with the Hardware folks, and here is the scoop:

There was a specific problem that may or may not occur in a limited
production of units. The problem has been isolated to the LCD and
has been resolved with the vendor. The potentially defective LCD's
were installed in HP 48s with serial numbers ranging 3013AXXXXX thru
3044AXXXXX. Symptoms of the problem are a pronounced black spot
in the upper left hand corner of the display and/or
dark/missing columns 3,5,7 and/or 9.

If a unit is failing for the above reasons,
subject to verification by the Corvallis Service Center,
it will be covered as part of the standard warranty,
even if the standard warranty period has expired.

[End of quote]

Try attaching this to your defunct HP49G+ with the keys nearly falling off,
and mail it to HP's CEO, as a reminder of how things were before the 
founders
(and nearly the company?) died.
_______________________________________
"#&%" <sensored language> "&%"&

"Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <velipekka.nousiainen@saunalahti.fi> wrote in 
message news:rRful.2587$9v4.1800@uutiset.elisa.fi...
> _____________________________________________
> Miscellany (from Craig's page):
>
> "The product number (48) was chosen to be a combination of 41 and 28"
>
> Craig also quotes Greg Sanker from HP, as of Apr 07 1992:
>
> I checked with the Hardware folks, and here is the scoop:
>
> There was a specific problem that may or may not occur in a limited
> production of units. The problem has been isolated to the LCD and
> has been resolved with the vendor. The potentially defective LCD's
> were installed in HP 48s with serial numbers ranging 3013AXXXXX thru
> 3044AXXXXX. Symptoms of the problem are a pronounced black spot
> in the upper left hand corner of the display and/or
> dark/missing columns 3,5,7 and/or 9.
>
> If a unit is failing for the above reasons,
> subject to verification by the Corvallis Service Center,
> it will be covered as part of the standard warranty,
> even if the standard warranty period has expired.
>
> [End of quote]
>
> Try attaching this to your defunct HP49G+ with the keys nearly falling 
> off,
> and mail it to HP's CEO, as a reminder of how things were before the 
> founders
> (and nearly the company?) died.
> _______________________________________
> "#&%" <sensored language> "&%"&
>
>


I think everyone will agree that HP is no longer the high-end company it 
once was.  It hasn't been for many years.  Just look at the manuals. 
Compare a 25C or 67/97 manual with a 48 or 50g.  In the old manuals, the 
colors, layout, language, spiral binding, etc. make the information easy to 
assimilate.  The new manuals are all black & white and poorly laid out.  You 
have to dig to find useful information - they're just plain hard on the 
eyes.  HP used to be the world leader in programmable calculators.  Now they 
just want to compete with Casio.    I think the marketing types took the 
reins from the engineers.  I recently told someone at HP that I think the 
ones that innovate and lead are usually not the ones that make the most 
money, but they usually make the most history.    It's a sacrifice you must 
be willing to take.  It's more of a leader/entrepeneur philosophy than an 
accounting or marketing one more accustomed to just making more money. 
After all, Ferrari doesn't make the most money selling cars, but they sure 
have some world class machines.

Something really, really nasty happend to HP along the way.  I hope they 
recover.

-John 

"John Crane" <jc email>
X
> I think the marketing types took the reins from the engineers.  I recently 
> told someone at HP that I think the ones that innovate and lead are 
> usually not the ones that make the most money, but they usually make the 
> most history.    It's a sacrifice you must be willing to take.  It's more 
> of a leader/entrepeneur philosophy than an accounting or marketing one 
> more accustomed to just making more money. After all, Ferrari doesn't make 
> the most money selling cars, but they sure have some world class machines.
>
> Something really, really nasty happend to HP along the way.  I hope they 
> recover.
>
> -John
You mean you want REAL
HP Way back...

It's lost forever
we are all serving the Money as a god
All world is doom
The Biblical end-times are near...
Still..the US of America has the most believers in the world
30%
in Finland that is only 10%
I wish we could all pray in Jesus name

"John Crane" <jc email> wrote in message 
news:b7ednYdXVdd6CCTUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@pghconnect.com...
> I think everyone will agree that HP is no longer the high-end company it 
> once was.

It's a shame the calculator business went to HP rather than Agilent.  While 
Agilent isn't at the same level of quality that the old HP was either, they're 
certainly a lot closer than the new HP.

"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> kirjoitti 
viestiss�:vrhul.34196$UR4.1478@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...
> "John Crane" <jc email> wrote in message 
> news:b7ednYdXVdd6CCTUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@pghconnect.com...
>> I think everyone will agree that HP is no longer the high-end company it 
>> once was.
>
> It's a shame the calculator business went to HP rather than Agilent. 
> While Agilent isn't at the same level of quality that the old HP was 
> either, they're certainly a lot closer than the new HP.
>
If you consider the current world
you'll say Agilent=Hewlett-Packard

On Mar 12, 6:17=A0pm, "Veli-Pekka Nousiainen"
<velipekka.nousiai...@saunalahti.fi> wrote:
> "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com> kirjoitti
> viestiss=E4:vrhul.34196$UR4.1...@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...> "John Cr=
ane" <jc email> wrote in message
> >news:b7ednYdXVdd6CCTUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@pghconnect.com...
> >> I think everyone will agree that HP is no longer the high-end company =
it
> >> once was.
>
> > It's a shame the calculator business went to HP rather than Agilent.
> > While Agilent isn't at the same level of quality that the old HP was
> > either, they're certainly a lot closer than the new HP.
>
> If you consider the current world
> you'll say Agilent=3DHewlett-Packard

It's some kind of a trend.  TI isn't the same kind of company it once
was either.  They used to design and sell world class innovative
products at competitive prices and provide excellent service and
documentation.  Now they sell second rate nspires at high prices to
school children that come with rather usless manuals.  It's really
sad.

Yes, Joe!

The problem might be
that current capitalism is not for the company
(not to talk about customers)
but for share holder to gain short-term profit

In old movies these kind of swindlers/hustlers
(stock market manipulators)
went to jail for 30 years

Today they are rewarded
Especially if they are bankers
then the whole world bents over
and has to give them even more money
as a reward for cheating and stealing

VPN
May God help us!

"Joe" <wjbudd@yahoo.com> kirjoitti 
viestiss�:015cdcef-9682-4a8b-be32-708d92c4a53a@p36g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 12, 6:17 pm, "Veli-Pekka Nousiainen"
<velipekka.nousiai...@saunalahti.fi> wrote:
> "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com> kirjoitti
> viestiss�:vrhul.34196$UR4.1...@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...> "John 
> Crane" <jc email> wrote in message
> >news:b7ednYdXVdd6CCTUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@pghconnect.com...
> >> I think everyone will agree that HP is no longer the high-end company 
> >> it
> >> once was.
>
> > It's a shame the calculator business went to HP rather than Agilent.
> > While Agilent isn't at the same level of quality that the old HP was
> > either, they're certainly a lot closer than the new HP.
>
> If you consider the current world
> you'll say Agilent=Hewlett-Packard

It's some kind of a trend.  TI isn't the same kind of company it once
was either.  They used to design and sell world class innovative
products at competitive prices and provide excellent service and
documentation.  Now they sell second rate nspires at high prices to
school children that come with rather usless manuals.  It's really
sad. 

On Mar 13, 3:23=A0am, "Veli-Pekka Nousiainen"
<velipekka.nousiai...@saunalahti.fi> wrote:
> Yes, Joe!
>
> The problem might be
> that current capitalism is not for the company
> (not to talk about customers)
> but for share holder to gain short-term profit
>
> In old movies these kind of swindlers/hustlers
> (stock market manipulators)
> went to jail for 30 years
>
> Today they are rewarded
> Especially if they are bankers
> then the whole world bents over
> and has to give them even more money
> as a reward for cheating and stealing
>
> VPN
> May God help us!
>
> "Joe" <wjb...@yahoo.com> kirjoitti
> viestiss=E4:015cdcef-9682-4a8b-be32-708d92c4a...@p36g2000prp.googlegroups=
..com...
> On Mar 12, 6:17 pm, "Veli-Pekka Nousiainen"
>
> <velipekka.nousiai...@saunalahti.fi> wrote:
> > "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com> kirjoitti
> > viestiss=E4:vrhul.34196$UR4.1...@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...> "John
> > Crane" <jc email> wrote in message
> > >news:b7ednYdXVdd6CCTUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@pghconnect.com...
> > >> I think everyone will agree that HP is no longer the high-end compan=
y
> > >> it
> > >> once was.
>
> > > It's a shame the calculator business went to HP rather than Agilent.
> > > While Agilent isn't at the same level of quality that the old HP was
> > > either, they're certainly a lot closer than the new HP.
>
> > If you consider the current world
> > you'll say Agilent=3DHewlett-Packard
>
> It's some kind of a trend. =A0TI isn't the same kind of company it once
> was either. =A0They used to design and sell world class innovative
> products at competitive prices and provide excellent service and
> documentation. =A0Now they sell second rate nspires at high prices to
> school children that come with rather usless manuals. =A0It's really
> sad.

Yes, VPN, Capitalism has fallen into moral decay as company leaders
have sold their sole to the devil by swindleing everyone including the
customer.  Companies used to serve the customer.  Now they only serve
the personal greed of their leaders.  World famous U.S. companies such
as Hp, TI, and GE along with many others are now dispicable icons of
moral decay, and I say that as a U.S. citizen who feels helpless to do
anything about it.  The presidents and ceo's of these companies had
better like it in hell because that is were they are going to be
forever.  That ultimately is their reward.

> I think everyone will agree that HP is no longer the high-end company it 
> once was.  It hasn't been for many years.  Just look at the manuals. 
> Compare a 25C or 67/97 manual with a 48 or 50g.  In the old manuals, the 
> colors, layout, language, spiral binding, etc. make the information easy to 
> assimilate.  The new manuals are all black & white and poorly laid out.  You 
> have to dig to find useful information - they're just plain hard on the 
> eyes.  HP used to be the world leader in programmable calculators.  Now they 
> just want to compete with Casio.    I think the marketing types took the 
> reins from the engineers.  I recently told someone at HP that I think the 
> ones that innovate and lead are usually not the ones that make the most 
> money, but they usually make the most history.    It's a sacrifice you must 
> be willing to take.  It's more of a leader/entrepeneur philosophy than an 
> accounting or marketing one more accustomed to just making more money. 

With threats of lawsuits hanging over them,  publicly traded US companies 
must maximize short-term profits for investors.  Making history doesn't 
count at all.  Maybe that's why our economy is in the shape it is.

Tom Lake 

The environMENTAL movement is the real reason that ALL manufacturers
have abandoned reasonable paper based documentation, like good
manuals. The cost of a good manual far exceeds the cost of the
calculator itself. The same is true of housing and construction in
general. In America, the price of the lumber alone to build a typical
house is about 1/3 the price of the house (and we're talking yellow
pine, a very low quality wood). Not to mention all the wild fires from
undercut, diseased forests that have become hazards from not being
able to remove dead/diseased trees and undergrowth because it is now
illegal to remove any of it.

So, thank all the tree huggers out there for the decline of quality,
paper based docs.

On Mar 13, 5:23=A0am, "Tom Lake" <tl...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > I think everyone will agree that HP is no longer the high-end company i=
t
> > once was. =A0It hasn't been for many years. =A0Just look at the manuals=
..
> > Compare a 25C or 67/97 manual with a 48 or 50g. =A0In the old manuals, =
the
> > colors, layout, language, spiral binding, etc. make the information eas=
y to
> > assimilate. =A0The new manuals are all black & white and poorly laid ou=
t. =A0You
> > have to dig to find useful information - they're just plain hard on the
> > eyes. =A0HP used to be the world leader in programmable calculators. =
=A0Now they
> > just want to compete with Casio. =A0 =A0I think the marketing types too=
k the
> > reins from the engineers. =A0I recently told someone at HP that I think=
 the
> > ones that innovate and lead are usually not the ones that make the most
> > money, but they usually make the most history. =A0 =A0It's a sacrifice =
you must
> > be willing to take. =A0It's more of a leader/entrepeneur philosophy tha=
n an
> > accounting or marketing one more accustomed to just making more money.
>
> With threats of lawsuits hanging over them, =A0publicly traded US compani=
es
> must maximize short-term profits for investors. =A0Making history doesn't
> count at all. =A0Maybe that's why our economy is in the shape it is.
>
> Tom Lake

"With threats of lawsuits hanging over them,  publicly traded US
companies
must maximize short-term profits for investors."  The motive again is
greed.  We have a sick society with people devoting thier every waking
moment to the persuit of more money.  If a person is healthy, has a
place to live, clothes to ware, food to eat, and reliable
transportation, what more does anyone deserve?  What more should they
want?  There is a mistaken notion that wealth makes for a secure
satisfying happy life.  It doesn't.  Just ask Bernie Madoff.  When we
as a society start condeming greed, then our economy will turn around.

On Mar 13, 5:35=A0am, Joe <wjb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 3:23=A0am, "Veli-Pekka Nousiainen"
>
>
>
> <velipekka.nousiai...@saunalahti.fi> wrote:
> > Yes, Joe!
>
> > The problem might be
> > that current capitalism is not for the company
> > (not to talk about customers)
> > but for share holder to gain short-term profit
>
> > In old movies these kind of swindlers/hustlers
> > (stock market manipulators)
> > went to jail for 30 years
>
> > Today they are rewarded
> > Especially if they are bankers
> > then the whole world bents over
> > and has to give them even more money
> > as a reward for cheating and stealing
>
> > VPN
> > May God help us!
>
> > "Joe" <wjb...@yahoo.com> kirjoitti
> > viestiss=E4:015cdcef-9682-4a8b-be32-708d92c4a...@p36g2000prp.googlegrou=
ps.com...
> > On Mar 12, 6:17 pm, "Veli-Pekka Nousiainen"
>
> > <velipekka.nousiai...@saunalahti.fi> wrote:
> > > "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com> kirjoitti
> > > viestiss=E4:vrhul.34196$UR4.1...@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...> "Joh=
n
> > > Crane" <jc email> wrote in message
> > > >news:b7ednYdXVdd6CCTUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@pghconnect.com...
> > > >> I think everyone will agree that HP is no longer the high-end comp=
any
> > > >> it
> > > >> once was.
>
> > > > It's a shame the calculator business went to HP rather than Agilent=
..
> > > > While Agilent isn't at the same level of quality that the old HP wa=
s
> > > > either, they're certainly a lot closer than the new HP.
>
> > > If you consider the current world
> > > you'll say Agilent=3DHewlett-Packard
>
> > It's some kind of a trend. =A0TI isn't the same kind of company it once
> > was either. =A0They used to design and sell world class innovative
> > products at competitive prices and provide excellent service and
> > documentation. =A0Now they sell second rate nspires at high prices to
> > school children that come with rather usless manuals. =A0It's really
> > sad.
>
> Yes, VPN, Capitalism has fallen into moral decay as company leaders
> have sold their sole to the devil by swindleing everyone including the
> customer. =A0Companies used to serve the customer. =A0Now they only serve
> the personal greed of their leaders. =A0World famous U.S. companies such
> as Hp, TI, and GE along with many others are now dispicable icons of
> moral decay, and I say that as a U.S. citizen who feels helpless to do
> anything about it. =A0The presidents and ceo's of these companies had
> better like it in hell because that is were they are going to be
> forever. =A0That ultimately is their reward.

I believe that there are exceptions.  E.g. Apple.  They are
profitable, and still create great products and have good customer
service.  IMHO of course.  Apple is like the Ferrari statement above.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:50:01 -0500, Mike Bryant wrote:

> The environMENTAL movement is the real reason that ALL manufacturers
> have abandoned reasonable paper based documentation, like good manuals.

A good PDF manual uses no paper,
but there aren't good PDF manuals, either.

It appears to me that all modern manuals are created on computers
and distributed as PDFs, downloadable from manufacturer web sites,
or supplied with a product on a CD,
even if a copy is sometimes printed to accompany a product.

Despite this, the quality of HP (and other) calculator manuals
remains less than is known to be achievable, and the reasons can not
possibly have anything to do with paper or trees or environment.

-[ ]-

On Mar 13, 12:04=A0am, Joe <wjb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> It's some kind of a trend. =A0TI isn't the same kind of company it once
> was either. =A0They used to design and sell world class innovative
> products at competitive prices and provide excellent service and
> documentation. =A0Now they sell second rate nspires at high prices to
> school children that come with rather usless manuals. =A0It's really
> sad.

There is a marked decline in build quality in TI calculators. A HW3
TI-89 Titanium has keys with a solid click whereas a newer HW4 TI-89
Titanium has mushy keys that sink under the slightest touch and offer
no feedback at all. The new HW4 versions remind me of those $1 four-
bangers you can get near the cash register.

TI claims a speed boost in the HW4 models, but I would MUCH MUCH
rather have the better keyboard.

S.C.

On Mar 13, 12:50=A0pm, Mike Bryant <jbmbry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The environMENTAL movement is the real reason that ALL manufacturers
> have abandoned reasonable paper based documentation, like good
> manuals.

False. The quality of a manual has no bearing on whether it is printed
on paper or distributed electronically. Companies are simply hiding
behind the environmental movement and using it as a cover as to why
they refuse to include printed copies of manuals. They could be trying
to be environmentally friendly, but this still doesn't explain why the
actual *content* of the manuals is going down in quality.

> The cost of a good manual far exceeds the cost of the
> calculator itself.

Again, companies are no longer including large paper manuals because
of one reason: cost cutting. A CD-ROM with the manual in PDF format
costs pennies whereas a physical printed book costs much more. In this
age, large companies only care about increasing their profit margins,
though "helping the environment" is a convenient excuse they can use
to try to boost public image and corporate profits at the same time.

> Not to mention all the wild fires from
> undercut, diseased forests that have become hazards from not being
> able to remove dead/diseased trees and undergrowth because it is now
> illegal to remove any of it.

Forests have become fire hazards because people have been putting out
little fires for too long. Forest fires are natural processes that
clear the forest of brush and return nutrients to the soil. Trees
routinely survive forest fires (their bark can protect them) as they
help fertilize the forest. With human intervention, however, Smokey
the Bear has encouraged people to put out all forest fires for about a
century. As a result, organic matter in forests has reached an
unnaturally high level, and this is what makes forest fires so
dangerous now. With all that additional fuel, forest fires now burn
larger and longer and trees can no longer survive the huge burn.

Salvage logging, which you suggest, has been scientifically shown to
be detrimental to forest health. Dead or diseased trees/logs contain
nutrients that will be naturally decomposed and returned to the soil.
Flip over a dead log and you will find thousands of insects living on
or in it. They are working to decompose the log and return nutrients
to the soil. Removing these dead logs removes the nutrients and harms
the forest.

> So, thank all the tree huggers out there for the decline of quality,
> paper based docs.

And we will be blaming all the tree choppers out there for the decline
of quality air and water for Earth. Money won't help you if the
environment is destroyed; there will be nowhere to spend money and
money certainly is not edible.

S.C.

On Mar 13, 12:36=A0pm, sc_use...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 13, 12:04=A0am, Joe <wjb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It's some kind of a trend. =A0TI isn't the same kind of company it once
> > was either. =A0They used to design and sell world class innovative
> > products at competitive prices and provide excellent service and
> > documentation. =A0Now they sell second rate nspires at high prices to
> > school children that come with rather usless manuals. =A0It's really
> > sad.
>
> There is a marked decline in build quality in TI calculators. A HW3
> TI-89 Titanium has keys with a solid click whereas a newer HW4 TI-89
> Titanium has mushy keys that sink under the slightest touch and offer
> no feedback at all. The new HW4 versions remind me of those $1 four-
> bangers you can get near the cash register.
>
> TI claims a speed boost in the HW4 models, but I would MUCH MUCH
> rather have the better keyboard.
>
> S.C.

Yes, I to have noticed the decline in TI quality also.  The nspire/
nspire cas is a real p.o.s. in my humble opinion.  I believe that the
release of the nspire/nspirecas represents a turning point for TI.
They are no longer a good company to do business with nor do they have
any new calculator products worth buying.  I feel certain that a
person is better off buying a used TI calculator on E-Bay than to buy
a new one from TI and that says a lot about their quality, price and
service.  The Voyage calculator that I bought just a couple of years
ago already has keyboard problems.  The keys sometimes stick down and
click up seconds to minutes later.

Mat.16:26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and 
forfeits his life? Or what shall a man give in return for his life?

_________________________________________
<sc_usenet@hotmail.com> kirjoitti 
viestiss�:8b4a3376-9b68-4c79-b91b-c6c3bcd081fe@z9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
X
And we will be blaming all the tree choppers out there for the decline
of quality air and water for Earth. Money won't help you if the
environment is destroyed; there will be nowhere to spend money and
money certainly is not edible.

S.C. 

> money certainly is not edible.

Well, I dunno....  I mean, paper money collects lots of dead skin
cells and skin oils and other organic goodies.  Someday soon, when the
US prints so many dollars that they become unspendable, we might be
able to survive on them!  Just boil a pot of water (by burning a pile
of money under it), throw a few bundles of dollar bills into the
boiling water, let it simmer a while, fish out the money and throw it
away, and serve the soup hot.

Hot Buck Soup.  Mmm, mmm, good!

[Bizarre But True: the pioneering mountain men had leather tassels on
their clothes not for decoration but for survival. When food ran out
during tough winters, they survived by ripping some tassels off and
boiling them. Hot Leather-Tassel Soup, with leather noodles.  Yum!]

Sorry for digressing from the digression already in progress.

"Mike Bryant" <jbmbryant@gmail.com> kirjoitti 
viestiss�:438b6744-a7e9-4b15-aa88-f75224bec432@o8g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> The environMENTAL movement is the real reason that ALL manufacturers
> have abandoned reasonable paper based documentation, like good
> manuals. The cost of a good manual far exceeds the cost of the
> calculator itself. The same is true of housing and construction in
> general. In America, the price of the lumber alone to build a typical
> house is about 1/3 the price of the house (and we're talking yellow
> pine, a very low quality wood). Not to mention all the wild fires from
> undercut, diseased forests that have become hazards from not being
> able to remove dead/diseased trees and undergrowth because it is now
> illegal to remove any of it.
>
> So, thank all the tree huggers out there for the decline of quality,
> paper based docs.

You work for HP?
Cause you really sound like someone trying to pass the blame...
Sorry, but the blame for the lack of paper manuals rest solely with HP.
VPN
PS: if anyone has any opinions - I'll crush them! 4 I'm the KING here!!

All text above is sarcasm - and for a reason...

"Joe" <wjbudd@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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On Mar 13, 5:23 am, "Tom Lake" <tl...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > I think everyone will agree that HP is no longer the high-end company it
> > once was. It hasn't been for many years. Just look at the manuals.
> > Compare a 25C or 67/97 manual with a 48 or 50g. In the old manuals, the
> > colors, layout, language, spiral binding, etc. make the information easy 
> > to
> > assimilate. The new manuals are all black & white and poorly laid out. 
> > You
> > have to dig to find useful information - they're just plain hard on the
> > eyes. HP used to be the world leader in programmable calculators. Now 
> > they
> > just want to compete with Casio. I think the marketing types took the
> > reins from the engineers. I recently told someone at HP that I think the
> > ones that innovate and lead are usually not the ones that make the most
> > money, but they usually make the most history. It's a sacrifice you must
> > be willing to take. It's more of a leader/entrepeneur philosophy than an
> > accounting or marketing one more accustomed to just making more money.
>
> With threats of lawsuits hanging over them, publicly traded US companies
> must maximize short-term profits for investors. Making history doesn't
> count at all. Maybe that's why our economy is in the shape it is.
>
> Tom Lake

"With threats of lawsuits hanging over them,  publicly traded US
companies
must maximize short-term profits for investors."  The motive again is
greed.  We have a sick society with people devoting thier every waking
moment to the persuit of more money.  If a person is healthy, has a
place to live, clothes to ware, food to eat, and reliable
transportation, what more does anyone deserve?  What more should they
want?  There is a mistaken notion that wealth makes for a secure
satisfying happy life.  It doesn't.  Just ask Bernie Madoff.  When we
as a society start condeming greed, then our economy will turn around.


You are very correct.

What's worse our socio-political system is setup to promote greed and allow 
the "greedy types" to assume positions of power.

My motto:  Never allow someone who wants power to have it.  Support 
"criteria based" democracy.  Any other type of democracy  just degrades into 
a popularity contest.

-J 

>
> You are very correct.
>
> What's worse our socio-political system is setup to promote greed and 
> allow the "greedy types" to assume positions of power.

that is the current status everywhere

> My motto:  Never allow someone who wants power to have it.  Support 
> "criteria based" democracy.  Any other type of democracy  just degrades 
> into a popularity contest.
BUT
that is exactly what the demonycratic voting system means

John Crane wrote:

> Something really, really nasty happend to HP along the way.  I hope they 
> recover.

My awareness of this came when I found out they put a thin steel plate 
on the face of my HP48GX. They reasoned it gave the extra weight needed 
to convey a feeling of 'Quality'.

The HP41CV I used previously had all the sense of Quality I needed, 
without the fraudulent tactics of the sales department.

The above, combined with getting ripped off on the ink supply in a newly 
purchased HP printer, did it for me. It was the LAST Hewlett Packard 
product I bought.

When substance is replaced by glitter and flash, I'm gone..as are 
thousands of others, no doubt.

Perhaps if I see a Corporate apology for their foray into trash 
marketing I will consider the 50G. I won't be holding my breath.



mike